Final ADP Cheat Sheet! Players We’re Stealing in Every Draft (09/01 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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And by the way, Emeka Abuka's first three games of the season are against the top three teams against wide receivers last year. Cincinnati was second best. Cleveland was third best. Minnesota was first best. Does anybody ever say first best? How about just best? Yeah, best. That's Emeka Abuka's opening schedule. But anyway, let's be optimistic and talk about our favorite ADP steals. We'll get three here from each of you, and then some more later in the show. Dave, you're on the clock. Let's start at the end of drafts. So it's round 12. You're looking at our ADP. You're trying to find somebody that you can just put on your bench. And I think this is someone that, and Jamie and I will agree on, Jamie might be a little more bullish, but it's Jalen Coker, who for whatever reason is going in round 12 in CBS ADP. Look at the final eight weeks of the season, including the playoffs. Coker had 5.5 targets per game. Ted Arroyo-McMillan, 6.5 targets per game. They had identical PPR averages over that span, 13.1. I know we're supposed to be excited about Jonathan Brooks and that Chuba Hubbard can come back and maybe they'll have the semblance of a run game. I think Bryce Young has to get the ball out quick. He has to get the ball out quickly in this offense. The tackles are not going to be there. The starting tackles are not going to be there to begin the season. Jalen Coker's the short area option here, and he should play a lot. And as far as getting good bench receivers that could turn into number three receivers, I think Coker's the perfect guy to look at in the double-digit rounds. Would you take Xavier Worthy or Jalen Coker? Coker. Jamie? Coker, not close. Would you take Romeo Dobbs or Jalen Coker? Also Coker. Same. Okay. Jamie, you're up. Yeah, I'll go with the guy that I was talking about yesterday, Jaden Reed, another guy going relatively late, around 11, and I think he's going to be the second-best Packers receiver, and if things go right, he might be the best Packers receiver. So expecting Green Bay to throw more because of the running back situation, because of Michael Parsons being out to start the season, because of what the division's going to look like, I think those games are going to be fun shootouts. So Reed, 2023 was amazing. 2024 was okay. 2025 was injury-plagued. 23 games in his career with it. At least five targets, 15 of those games, he scored 13 or more PPR points, and averaged 16 PPR points over that span. Give him opportunities, he will succeed, and I think he'll help with the run game also because of the Josh Jacobs absence. All right, so right now, average draft position has Jaden Reed 125th or 126th overall. You know, look, things could be changing for all of the Packers now. So where are you comfortable taking Jaden Reed? Round eight. Round eight, and that is, like, in the 80-ish range? No, it's 90-ish. It ends, round eight ends at 96. Right, sorry. So that's 84 to 96 overall. I should be better at this. I literally have a little piece of paper with the end of each round in front of me. That's how I knew that. Okay, I think I took him. Yeah, he's a top 100 pick, and Jamie made me think a little bit about Jaden Reed versus Matthew Golden yesterday. And I think in PPR, I think I'm with Jamie on this one. Just because Reed, short area target, slippery little sucker out of the backfield, lowish ADOT, although he can win downfield if he gets left open or just outruns a guy. I like Matthew Golden too, but there's things that I saw in the preseason game against Pittsburgh that make me pause a little bit. He got hung up on Hansi coverage quite a bit. I think Reed can escape that. And if there are problems with the Packers' run game this year, he's one of two guys I think benefits. The other one's being Tucker Kraft. So I think in full PPR, I'm with you, Jamie. I think Jaden Reed's the better receiver to get out of Green Bay. Okay, Dave's up for round two, but I haven't given this stat in a long time, and I love it. Over the last three seasons, Jaden Reed has twice as many carries of 20 or more yards as Alvin Kamara. Kamara has three, and Reed has six. All right, Dave, round two for you. I love that stat. I've been bullish on Casey Concepcion really since I studied him back in March for the draft. And he reminds me, a lot of Zay Flowers, just the ability to line up anywhere, run any route. He's got speed to win. He's got quickness to win. He can get open any way you want. And I see his average draft position in round 10. I think he's a round eight pick. I really do, especially in full PPR. And I know there's questions about those Browns quarterbacks. As bad as those Browns quarterbacks are, they are capable of getting the ball into Concepcion's hands at least inside of 10 yards. And I think that's where the majority of his targets and catches will come. I think he's the best pass catcher in Cleveland. I think the Browns are the best Browns are going to be trailing in a bunch of games this year, which means the target should be high for him. He's arguably my favorite late round. Can we call him a late round guy? My favorite, like, back of half of the draft wide receiver to take. I like Coker. I like Reed. I would take Concepcion over both of those guys, expecting him to see close to seven targets per game. Yeah, and rookies are usually a good bet late in the draft. There have been, over the last six seasons, 36 wide receivers, per year, drafted in round nine or later, and finishing either top 24 overall or top 24 per game. And we had a five season stretch with at least two rookies every year who were drafted 97th or later, round nine or later, and finishing top 24 overall or top 24 per game. That ended last year. We didn't have any last year, but rookie wide receivers are a good bet late in drafts. So far, we have Coker, Reed, Concepcion. Jamie, who's next? I think this is the best value of any player. Any player on the board right now, and has been for a while, is Chris Godwin. Going 90th overall, which is climbing a little bit, but the 36 wide receiver off the board. You just mentioned Emeka Abuka. We don't know when he's going to play. Chris Godwin reportedly having a fantastic camp. Healthy again. Back in the slot again, which I think is big. And just an easy pick if he's still there. Like, I would take him at the end of round five if I have to, but round six is where I think this week the sweet spot should be for him. He's a top 30 wide receiver. Could easily be a top 20 wide receiver by the end of the year. So, yes, he's coming off two injury plague seasons. Yes, he's older. He's in his 30s now. And yes, Abuka should be the best receiver in Tampa Bay. But, not healthy right now. Godwin's healthy right now. Baker loves Godwin. I think it could be an absolute smash pick if you get him at his cost. But you should certainly be looking to take him well ahead of where he's going right now. Adam, what's the most the stat on Mike Evans and red zone or end zone targets? Yes, Mike Evans. Let me just give it to you exact here. And so I'm not guessing. OK. Over the last three seasons, the Baker Mayfield era, when Mike Evans has been on the field, he has had 45 of their 87 end zone targets. That is more than half. And no other player has more than nine end zone targets when Mike Evans is on the field. And he had 45. So it's just It's an amazing opportunity for everyone score more touchdowns. And who's the guy that's played the most with Baker Mayfield over the last two seasons in Tampa? Cameron Brait. Okay, it's Cameron Brait. I think Godwin and Baker are on the same page. I think he's just going to be an easy middle-of-the-field target. Jamie mentioned it. He's back in the slot. I don't quite have him in my top 30 at wide receiver. He's just outside of there, but he should be going way ahead of where the ADP is. Yeah, and I look at NFC ADP over the last week, and someone asked, what is NFC? So these are high-stakes leagues, big tournaments, things like that. I mean, I just went to the homepage today with Dave. There's like a $350 entry to win a few hundred thousand dollars or something like that. But you can pay $50,000 for tournaments, I think, something like that, or maybe I'm too high. But people are paying money to play in these leagues. Godwin is going 71st, which is the end of round six, right? And those are all very heavy. He is, but he's going as wide receiver 33, which is pretty much where you have him 29th, Jamie. Dave has him closer to 33. But yeah, I mean, the guys going right in front of him are Marvin Harrison Jr. and Carnell Tate. Oh, no, I wouldn't take Tate. I'd rather have Godwin. I'd rather have Godwin than both of those guys. Same. Okay. And then I did a draft two nights ago, and Godwin went 98th, and my wife did a draft last night, and he went 96th. And he is a family. He's in. He's a family now. He's on both of our teams. Okay. Jamie. I heard Andrew say something about that 80-yard touchdown. He just hated it. My son. Yeah, we have our first draft soon. All right, Dave. Round three for you so far. Coker, Jaden Reed. Coker and Concepcion for Dave. Jaden Reed and Godwin for Jamie. Let's go. Can we go high end here? Yeah, sure. And let's go running back while we're at it. And Amar and Hampton going almost 20th overall in ADP feels a little too late to me. We know that. He's the Chargers lead running back. There was talk a month ago about, oh, there's three guys in this backfield. Well, one of them is Kamani Vidal, who played a ton in the preseason. I think he's a clear backup. The next one is Keaton Mitchell, who has an undisclosed injury that we don't know much about. We know the Chargers haven't put him on IR yet. They said last night they expected him to play week one. That's great. But I don't think he's going to take enough work away from Amar and Hampton to impact Hampton. And we know that the offensive tackles are healthy. We're assuming. We're assuming that the interior of that offensive line will be okay. And we know that Amar and Hampton is a baller at running back. Elusive, physical, big dude. Can work at the goal line. Can catch the ball out of the backfield. Has a genius play caller in Mike McDaniel, who's done great things with the run game. Not just in Miami, but in San Francisco, too. I think this is a huge opportunity for Amar and Hampton to take the next step in his career. I have him ranked. I have him ranked. Let me finish that statement. I'm looking at the wrong rankings. I am sorry for this. Just outside of my top 12 overall. And so, don't mind him one bit at the 1-2 turn as a running back that you can look at and say, that's an RB1 for the season. I know a guy that we like a lot is Chase Brown at his ADP. And, you know, obviously we've done a lot of drafts. My favorite start, I think, in all the drafts I've done, drafting 11th, was Chase Brown round one, Amar and Hampton round two. I think you guys would probably sign off on a start like that, right? Love it. Yeah, I think any combination of those two, two of the top 11 running backs gets you, I don't want to say a significant advantage, but it gives you an advantage because the receivers that you're getting in rounds three and four are still so very, still have a chance to be extremely productive. So, like, to go running back, running back, which is never something that I would advise in the last probably 10 years, now makes some sense if you're at the back end of the first round. All right, Jamie. So, who's your, third guy? Yeah, we'll stay in the same team. We'll go Ladd-McConkie. He's going right now 41st, 41.4 is his ADP wide receiver, 17. I'd take him in round three. So, I like him better than Zay Flowers. I think there's more upside for Ladd this year. I know he loves Flowers and I get it. But I think Ladd gets back to his rookie level of production as the floor, which was right around 15 PPR points per game. So, you get a situation here where Quentin Johnson's going to have his moments and is a great pick, another good player that you're getting at a good cost. But, I just referenced what they did last year. And it was a terrible year for McConkie. But when Joe Alt was on the field, they were averaging a touchdown better per game. 25 points per game is what they scored in the six games Alt played. 18 points per game without him. And now you're putting Slater back on the field too. So, you have both tackles available with Mike McDaniel calling plays. So, yeah. So, Marion Hampton is going to be awesome. Love Hampton. Great call by Dave. I think we're going to see Ladd-McConkie also get back to being the guy that we saw in his rookie campaign without Keenan Allen there. His role is now defined. Where I think last year it was somewhat undefined because you can alternate and mix and match and do different things with Keenan Allen and Ladd-McConkie because they have a similar type of profile of where they could play. Quentin Johnson is not going to be moved as much. Trey Harris is not going to be, I think, a factor for McConkie. He's not coming off the field. And now you're giving this coordinator that quarterback where he once upon a time got a passing yards leader out of Tua Tunga-Vailoa. So, Justin Herbert could be fantastic. You know I love the Chargers. And I think Ladd-McConkie is going to follow suit. So, I would take him in round three. Middle of round three. I think part of the problem last year for McConkie was he was hurt. Chargers offensive line was beat up. Herbert was under siege. And he just couldn't come up with the same type of production that we saw as a rookie. So, I co-sign this. I think he's a round three pick. I go back and forth between McConkie and Garrett Wilson. And I love both of these guys' talents for sure. I've got McConkie one spot higher than Garrett Wilson. But they're both in that range. And you talked about this a second ago, Jamie. You're looking at the wide receivers in late round three. Those are two of the guys that are going to be there. And if you're okay with one of them being your wide receiver one, then taking RBs with your first two picks isn't really that bad of a plan. Yeah, McConkie versus Garrett Wilson is really interesting because I also like McConkie better than Wilson. But it's one of those things where when I looked into the research of the wide receivers that come out of this range, there's not necessarily any common thread. It's not great offense. It's not that. Because obviously, if you're picking McConkie over Wilson, you're probably doing it because you want to take a charger over a jet. But I think the most important thing is pretty much always targets. And Matt McConkie, even in 2024, he was on pace for 119 targets. In the last 10 games of 2024, when he was really good, I think he was on pace for 124 targets. Garrett Wilson, based on his career, is probably going to blow that away. I mean, he might have 30 more targets than Matt McConkie, but I could see McConkie having more targets this year. I'm hoping he hits the 130 mark. But if I had to project, I would have to project Garrett Wilson for more targets than Matt McConkie. Sure. I think that's fair. I would probably say it's 20-25 tops. Like 140-120, feel safe for both those guys. I think just looking at it, since the last time Garrett Wilson played a game for the Jets, they've added three prominent passers-by. catchers not anybody that's better than him but players that are going to be involved one of which is probably going to be somebody takes a long time in omar cooper but sadiq first round talent adenai mitchell they love him you know so those guys could take some opportunities away from garrett wilson since he's played a game for them plus the quarterback is different so i think garrett wilson's a great late round three early round four pick i just think mcconkey's ceiling is a little bit higher because of what you said adam he's just in a better offensive environment yeah and i will say this i had this thought about garrett wilson i don't know if we've ever brought it up because we brought up the carson beck thing with trey mcbride a lot and the cardinals have this really hard schedule and at some point are they going to turn it over to carson beck well for one thing beck he's had a rib injury hasn't played since the hall of fame game but i had the same thought with uh with the jets though it's like kade klubnick is their number two quarterback right now they decided not to get a veteran and if they're bad i i think at some point they probably have to turn they have their first eight games are like four really hard games and four very winnable games but they're probably not going to win all the winnable games so they could easily be like two and six they could be oh and four i don't think they want to win so that's yeah they're one of those teams well aaron glenn probably wants to win because he he's on the hot seat he's not going to last very long but that might be like unless he wins a super bowl it'd be surprising if he comes back anyway right but i think if he makes the playoffs he's back if they have club club nick at some point like that's really bad i don't know about that i don't know about that i don't know about yeah so um all right let's take a break news and notes coming up and more of our favorite values cbs sports network today at noon eastern and just some programming the season starts a week from tomorrow on wednesday there's a wednesday game and a thursday game so you know we'll do the thursday and friday start sit as usual but i i'm guessing on on tuesday we'll probably have to do starter sit for the wednesday game and on wednesday we'll do starter sit for the thursday game whatever but next week is going to be more week one stuff rather than draft prep we'll have some draft prep in there but uh this will be our last full week obviously of draft prep and this will be the last sentence i say before we go to break i'm going to talk to you right now about omaha steaks and this is a perfect time for me to do it because just last night i cooked four omaha steaks for my family and they were awesome and we completely devoured them and tonight omaha steaks burgers and hot dogs for the family they also have seafood and side dishes. 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So as I mentioned, Jamie Aaron Glenn called Brees Hall a three-down back, and he praised Braylon Allen's goal line and short yardage abilities. Do you think Brees Hall has a Braylon Allen problem? I think every running back, for the most part, has a someone problem. It's just a matter of the extent of what you think that problem's going to be and what the coach is going to use him. So sure, there's going to be Braylon Allen touches. You hope they're not high-valuable touches, as Dave has said, which is clearly true. Frank Reich has used two running backs in his past, probably to his detriment, has used two running backs in his past. So we'll see just how much Brees Hall comes off the field. I'm not scared to draft Brees Hall in early round four because of Braylon Allen. I'm scared to draft Brees Hall in early round four because of the Jets. So if it's Braylon Allen, if it's Isaiah Davis, look, he's still going to have, Dave, what's the number you kept saying? 17 total touches per game last year? Yeah, 17.4 touches per game last year and averaged 13.0 PPR points. I think the 17 is probably safe. I'm going to go north of the 13 because I think the Jets are better. This year, because of all the talent that they've acquired. And I do think that Gino is going to be a little bit better quarterback than what they had last year. So round four is the sweet spot for Brees Hall. Eight games under 10 PPR points for Brees Hall last year. Michael Pittman and DK Metcalf are expected to be ready for week one. Dave, I just got a text from someone said Pittman or Wanda Robinson. What should I tell him? I would tell him Pittman and it's only remotely close in full PPR. Okay. That's what I told him. Zay Flowers is still not at practice, but he is expected to be ready for week one. Anyone downgrading Zay Flowers? No, no. Okay. Damn. He's in that same early round four range for me. He sucks. Malik neighbors says he feels good, but there are still some things he has to check off the box to participate. We still don't know if Malik neighbors is going to be ready for week one. Um, Josh downs and that's a Cowboys. Ooh, yeah, man. I want, I want him back for that. Last time you played the Cowboys, it was 40 points or something like that for him. Good. Josh downs and Tyler Warren back at practice for the Colts. Jordan Tyson is on IR. Not a surprise. First four games of the year. He's out at least that that's at Detroit, at Baltimore, Las Vegas, and Atlanta. Um, Tampa Bay gave Sean Tucker that one year, $2.5 million deal. We talked about that at the end of last of yesterday's show, Denver outside linebacker, Jonathan Cooper is on the commissioner's exempt list. He's facing domestic violence allegations. They opened with the chiefs on the road. He already had a court date and pled not guilty. So he's farther along in the process than Josh Jacobs is the Cowboys acquired offensive tackle Broderick Jones from the Steelers. He's going to compete to be there, right? Tackle. We mentioned, uh, we talked about Keenan Allen yesterday and the DWI arrest the Patriots acquired running back Corey Kiner from Arizona. The Broncos waved rookie tight end, Justin Jolie. That was a little surprising. And he landed on the dolphins. Oh, okay. Good for him. The 49ers update. Okay. Christian Kirk and Isaac Arendo are on IR. That means they're out at least four games. Kyle Shanahan made some comment about George Kittle having a setback, but, or no taking a step back, but I don't really know what he meant by that. So I'd be very surprised if he played week one at this point, given the length of the trip and the fact that he's still coming back from this injury. So when you start to compare Kittle to likely Kelsey Goddard, the tight ends that are going around and based on ADP. And if you want to go a step further and maybe throw a fan in there from a higher end standpoint, and then Kincaid Andrews, those types of guys, you have a decision to make. I still think for the season kills a strong pick, but make sure you have somebody to cover him for week one. So pair him with, I think you did this yesterday with Juwan Johnson, Adam in a draft that we did. You can look at Dalton Schultz who could get off to a good start. You could look at, if you wanted to dig Tongis, who was great filling in for him last year, you know, so there are other options to help you, but at this point you may have to carry two tight ends. If you're not so inclined to, because Kittle might not be there to start the season. Well, I really like Juwan Johnson in a game at Detroit. You know, I think a lot of potential for points there, obviously no Jordan Tyson. Okay. Who else we got here? Tank Dell is on IR. He's out four games at least same with, Oh, and here's another reason why Detroit safety, Kirby Joseph is going to start the season on IR same with Chicago slot cornerback, Kyler Gordon. He only played three games last year. Micah Parsons is on the pup list. He's also going to miss at least four games. Um, I think I'm going to skip. Okay. How about this Detroit wide receivers coach, Scotty Montgomery talked about Jamison Williams becoming a total player and he's got a good connection with Jared golf. So, uh, more good buzz. Yeah. James Connors on IR. I said, Isaiah Pacheco has a back injury. If he's out, Jacob Sawyers is apparently Detroit's backup. Uh, ESPN's Brady Henderson, who covers the Seahawks said his best guess is that Jadarian price will be the lead back with George Helani on passing downs. Um, I mentioned yesterday, Travis Hunter, according to John Shipley of sports illustrated, Travis Hunter has been playing almost exclusively cornerback for the last two weeks and Raiders head coach, Clint Kubiak said both Ashton Gentry and Mike Washington jr. Are going to prepare to play a lot of football. And Jimmy, you just talked about the top 11 running backs. Now it used to be top 12, but I'm starting to think that Ashton Gentry is going to be ready for week one. If not week one, maybe week two. Uh, I can remember Devon HN becoming one of the steals of the draft last year because they were concerned that he might not be ready for week one. So I'm going to talk about the top 11 running backs. Now it's going to be ready for week one. Uh, but, uh, and Heath has talked about this. I think he talked about it yesterday. Do you feel like the outlook for Gentry is worse now than it was because Washington has made such a, such a statement? It's definitely a strike against him. You know, I don't think it's like, you know, similar to Braylon Allen and Brees hall. Like if you're in on Ashton Gentry, you shouldn't be running away from Gentry because of Mike Washington. That being said last year, it was the complete and total Ashton Gentry show. It still could be, but why would you not want to play Mike Washington for two reasons? One early in the season, you have Gentry coming off this injury and Washington has looked great. And the second part of his Washington has looked great. You know, so if you're Clint Kubiak, who just comes from a super bowl winning team that got great production from both of their running backs, that's probably a formula that would help your team. That would help your quarterback. Who's either going to be an aging Kirk cousins or a rookie in Fernando Mendoza. Like it just makes opportunities and chances to both play. So I do think that you have to downgrade Gentry. I still would take him in early round three. I do not want to take him in the first two rounds. Okay. It's kind of amazing that Kyron Williams and Ashton Gentry had almost the same amount of carries last year. And the number two rusher on Las Vegas in terms of carries last year was Gino Smith with 41. Whereas we know what the Rams look like with, with Blake Corum. Yeah. That's positive game script versus negative game. Yeah. The, the guy who was supposed to be the number two running back in Las Vegas last year may now be doing work for us. Oh, yeah? Or Heat Buster. That'd be cool. And he wants to get into fantasy. Ooh. All right, that's it for the news and notes. A few quick things here. League settings. Someone asked, should Josh Jacobs be allowed in an IR spot? I think that's up to your commissioner, but if I were your commissioner, and I'm terrible at that, the answer would be hell no. I only allow players on PUP and IR to go in IR spots. I do not allow players who are out, designated as out for a game, to be in IR. If you want to do that, that's fine. It's up to your commissioner. My recommendation is PUP and IR. And they should be on IR or PUP, not out. Right, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. FAB leagues. So, typical league, maybe $100 budget. Make sure you allow $0 bids. I think that's really important. Don't bid, you know, like people who are kind of new to it, don't spend $5 to pick up a DST this week. That's going to really come back to bite you. We could probably, I talk about this for like 10 minutes, so I'm not going to do that today, maybe on the mailbag. But, you know, $1 for a DST, $0. Put in bids for three different DSTs at $0. Same with kickers, if you're doing that every week. You know, if a guy like, if a guy has 14 PPR fantasy points, and he's a, you know, someone that you're not really buying in for a full season, don't spend $20 on him in week one. You know, people spent 80% of their budget on Isaiah Likely a few years ago, and it was a total waste. So, be cautious with it. If you feel like you have a guy who can help you win all season long, like there's an injury and backup running backs available, that's when you'd be aggressive. I wanted to mention, though, for the FFT Open, if you're in that, you don't need your FAB if you win your division. If you make it to week 16 and 17, you don't need any FAB. You're the only person in your division you can pick up whoever you want. So, you are only, you know, budgeting for the first 15 weeks. And someone asked a guillotine league question, and I said, I don't play in those, Jamie. I know you play in guillotine leagues quite frequently. What's your strategy? Are you avoiding the Emeka Bukas of the world? And do you look at early season schedule? You definitely should look at your early season schedule. You definitely should try to avoid injury-plagued players going into the year. But there's going to be a point in every draft. Remember, it's an 18-person draft. You're going to run into having to take players, hopefully at good cost, that will be significant. That will be significant factors for your team. So, once you get past, like, really round four or five, every question starts to come into play for a lot of players. Basically, like, round seven or eight, you know, for a 12-team league. So, you start to just run into scenarios of I can't avoid injured players. So, like, I try to take as minimal risk as I possibly can early in the draft. For example, Christian McCaffrey, I think, went fifth or sixth overall in the draft. Dave's in this draft also that we're doing right now. We just started this week. That's not something I would be doing. Forget about how I feel about McCaffrey. Like, there's just risk involved with him. Early in the season. The good thing is he's healthy now, so you don't have to really worry about that. But, like, Ibuka, trying to think, like, Jante, Jeremiah Love, like, these players that have injury concerns, to take them early is a risk. To take them at a good price, absolutely, you buy into it. Yeah, because every week, you're going to have opportunities to add great players because one team's getting cut. All right, let's get back into the ADP steals. Dave, CeeDee Lamb is interesting because he's going 14th. I haven't taken him in a single draft, and I think one of the reasons why is Omari and Hampton because I like Hampton better, and you already talked about him. But, yeah, CeeDee Lamb at 14th overall, when would you take him? Late round one, and I've found myself, when I'm picking late in round one in those 10, 11, 12 slots, getting Lamb and Hampton because Hampton does make it past the 1-2 turn pretty frequently. I know that last year, he only scored three touchdowns, and he left a lot. He got to be desired, had an injury. Still, on the whole, averaged 8.4 targets per game. We've talked about the six-game sample when Dallas had Quinn and Williams on defense, so their game scripts were a little bit different. In those six games, Lamb had 9.2 targets per game. That was four-tenths of a target better per game than Pickens. 16.4 PPR points per game. Pickens averaged more. Pickens scored more. And Lamb had the high ankle sprain that he was dealing with. I think that he's healthy now. I could see him doubling, if not tripling, his touchdown total from last year while still getting a ton of targets. I am very comfortable with him as my wide receiver five overall. And when I'm taking him in late round one, it's with the idea that I don't really love any other wide receiver there. And the number of running backs that are left are all kind of in that same tier. We're talking about Hampton. We're talking about maybe Devon Achan. We're talking about Saquon, Derrick Henry, Kenneth Walker, obviously should be part of that group too. If they all kind of look the same to me and I can look at those running backs and say, okay, I can get any one of them and I'm comfortable with them as my RB1 and I know I'm picking early in round two, I'm going to take the last best wide receiver and that's Lamb. And then that opens up my team. I'm starting wide receiver running back and plenty of options available for me to take a running back in round three or I can just go receiver, receiver with the receivers that are left in round three or four and still find a decent running back in round four. But ultimately, I think that he's worth taking a few slots higher than what ADP says. Okay. Omarion Hampton was next on your list and we already talked about him. Let's go to Luther Burden who's going 61st in CBS ADP. Maybe a little higher now that the reports have been good on him and he's expected to be ready for week one. How do you feel about Burden? When would you take him? I would take Luther Burden like really close to that round four or five turn range. I've got him right at 48th right now in full PPR. Just expecting a breakout year. Look at this Bears offense. I know that DeAndre Swift's had a great camp. He'll run the ball. There's no question that Chicago will want to do it and they've got the offensive line for it. But I think Burden is ticketed to be their best short area target. And while he can work in that role and make a guy miss and add a ton of yards after the catch and have explosive plays, that's one of the ways that you beat cover two defense. I think he can also win on intermediate routes and in breaking routes, middle of the field. I've talked about this role specifically a lot this off season. It's kind of how J.S. N and Amon Ross St. Brown won over. Well, J.S. N last year, St. Brown the last several years. And who's the one that found Amon Ross St. Brown and utilized them to the max? It was Ben Johnson. I think Johnson could see a version of that in Luther Burden. I can't say that Luther Burden is going to be ticketed for a ton of touchdowns because Colson Loveland figures to be that guy. And Loveland might actually lead the Bears in targets. I do like Loveland more than Burden, but I do think Burden is criminally underpriced if he's going in late round five. Actually, what is it? The guy that's around six. He was the guy when you were talking about high end guys. So I first guy I looked at was was Burden. And then Thomas sent a message about, you know, rounds three or four. So looked a little bit sooner than that. But yeah, he's this. This is one of those players that you hope as the news trickles in and we get a slew of drafts coming from this point forward that his ADP gets a little bit closer to I think what it should have been or would have been all along if he had stayed healthy. I'll go the other way on that. I don't want this ADP to go up. I want I want people to look in their draft rooms and to see that injury tag next to his name and go, oh, I don't I don't want to draft an injured guy. Yeah, but he's practicing. He's fine that he shouldn't even have an injured tag next to his name. There's a dip here and you should be buying it with. So Garrett Wilson, Tedderow, McMillan, Luther Burden rank him. I've got Wilson, McMillan, Burden, Wilson, McMillan, Burden, DJ Moore, throw him in there behind McMillan ahead of Burden, Wilson, Moore, McMillan, OK, so, yeah, I mean, that's kind of like a little more cautious than Heath, who's taking burden at the three, four turn. I am going to give you some very poorly researched statistics here because I just asked Google and the AI overview came back with this. Since 2000, how many second year wide receivers have had a thousand yards, a thousand yards after getting 60 or fewer targets as a rookie? And Google came back with four. Victor Cruz. Antonio Brown, Rashid Shaheed and Adam Thielen. So, I mean, it's a lot to ask. That's only a thousand yards, by the way. That's not even that good anymore, but that's a lot. You know, it's a guy who had 60 targets last year and basically didn't have a training camp in a preseason this year. There's still some risk. And you talk about the touchdowns. You said Colson Loveland could be that guy. Romo Dunze has been that guy with Caleb Williams. He's the end zone target guy. He's had one of the higher over the last two seasons. Romo Dunze ranks eighth among wide receivers. With 0.93 end zone targets per game. It sounds like I'm crapping on Luther Burden. I love him. I mean, I think he's a great player, but I just, I do think it's worth noting. It's really a very small sample size with him. So, you know, there is some risk there. Okay. I hope that I didn't just cloud everything up, but felt like I had to, I mean, go, if it goes 61st, I'll take it every, you know, it goes 51st, I'll take them. Yeah. All right. Romandre Stevenson, 74th. Parker Washington, 77th. 75th overall. If you're on the clock, Tucker Kraft, 76th overall. In a vacuum, who's the best value? They're all going, let's say 75th. Romandre Stevenson, Parker Washington, Tucker Kraft. Washington. Followed by? I think I have Kraft ahead of Stevenson. Okay. Washington, Stevenson, Kraft. Okay. But Dave likes all these guys. 75th overall, which is round six. No, seven. Wait, 60? Yeah, it's the beginning of round seven. Stevenson, Washington, Kraft. Go! Well, so who am I talking about first? Ramondre? Whoever you want. I mean, yeah. You know what? You don't have to convince me on Parker Washington or Tucker Kraft. You have to convince me on Ramondre Stevenson. Sure. He's been the best running back in camp so far for the Patriots after being the best running back for the Patriots last season. He wasn't really taking off until late last year, but I think he's going to have the platform to be effective, maybe even a little more efficient than he was last year. I love that he's been working more in red zone drills, catching passes from Drake May. I think he benefits from A.J. Brown being on the field. Travion Henderson has not taken the step forward, at least according to reports that the Patriots were hoping for. That means Ramondre is going to stay on the field. He might even be able to withstand fumbling twice before losing some of work to Travion Henderson. And the fact that people are taking him in early round seven just tells you. That they're not seeing what reality is with Ramondre Stevenson. I think reaching for him in round five is a step too far, but we're looking for running backs in that late round five, early six range that we're comfortable with as an RB two. And here's a guy who should see 15 touches a game, work the goal line. I think it's a good offense. I think it's a pretty good offensive line. I know it's a tougher schedule for the Patriots this year, but I'm finally, it's taken me like, what, three years to buy into Ramondre Stevenson. I'm finally buying in just because I think the situation is good for him. You didn't convince me. That's fine. I'll take them after you pick. It wasn't your fault. I, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't see, I think he was RB 22 per game last year and Travion really didn't do much at all in the games that Ramondre was healthy. So if Travion has a, an increased role, I've been saying Travion's. That's the hard thing to buy. I don't know about that because he, again, he didn't really have that big of a role, except when Ramondre was out. And I think Travion is an explosive player that they need to get on the field. I don't want to draft him. But you, you say that they need to get on the field. They didn't need to get him on the field last year and they played him less in the important games last year and made it to the Superbowl. And now they just added two significant playmakers in the passing game. Which is a good point because when Stefan, Diggs was on the field last year, Ramondre Stevenson had a eight was 7.2% target share. It was 8.7% when he was off the field and he didn't play that much. And AJ Brown's going to command more targets. So that's my way of saying. Yeah, I don't look, you're not, you're not drafting Ramondre Stevenson because he's going to all of a sudden become Christian McCaffrey. You're drafting him because he's the lead running back on what should be an explosive offense. That as you have said, time and time again, and I completely agree is going to probably have to carry them a little bit more because their schedule is tougher and they don't have the opportunity to win games as handily. Cause they did last year. That's not good for Stevenson. Well, I don't think it's bad for Stevenson because I think they're going to score more. So I think you're going to see a situation where there's better offensive production in totality. Some of the metrics may be worse because of this, having the ball more in their hands and having to produce more. But I think just in comparing the two running backs, like if they don't trust him in pass protection, forget about him playing an obvious passing down situations. And if they're not going to use them on first and second down, which why would they at this point, Stevenson is going to be on the field a lot more. And so if you just go back to last, it was all but two games where Stevenson played all, but Stevenson played more than, than Henderson in all but two games in terms of playing time. And so I don't see that changing barring injury. Now, the thing is that, you know, we've, we've done these zoom calls for the people that bid on St. Jude and just did one right before this. The only reason I bring it up is because talking about taking Ramondre Stevenson around six and the thing that I said to the person that doing the zoom call with the, the biggest fear that I would have with drafting Ramondre Stevenson, it's not when both guys are healthy. It's if Stevenson gets hurt and then Henderson takes off and does everything right. When he gets those moments, clearly he did everything right in those three games, but not to the extent of you didn't Wally pip him. You didn't take the job away from him and he's never getting it back. So I think that's the concern is if Henderson comes in, whatever amount of time Stevenson misses, if it's an ankle sprain or something that just keeps him out for a minimal amount of games, then if Henderson runs away with the job, bye-bye Ramondre, because you're right, Adam, we can all see who's the better player. It wasn't like that last year. I mean, Henderson theoretically could have run away with the job. That's what I'm saying. I don't really like it. I don't draft either of them, I guess, which maybe is crazy. I think so. I don't think you're alone. I'll give you, I'll give you, I'll give you one time where I've regretted not drafting Henderson. It was our CBS sports draft-a-thon league, right? So the results are on the site. I went zero RB in that league. And the first running back that I took was, you know, it was Rico Dowd and I was torn. It was Rico Dowd and Trevion Henderson were the two running backs that I was considering. And I'm like, do I want the highest upside play because of the build that I have, or do I want the safer floor because of the build that I have? And that's going to be one that haunts me because if Henderson hits, Oh my God, that team is absolutely ridiculous because I love the receivers, love the quarterback, love the time. But if I don't have any confident, if I only have any confidence in the running backs that I have there, and I can't have any confidence Henderson right now, then that's not the right move to make. It's, it's a really tough call. It's really difficult of, of whatever you view Henderson. I feel like the type, the time to take Trevion Henderson is you've got your two running backs that you love. You got your receivers, maybe quarterback or tight end. You get to that round six, seven range. And you're like, I'm swinging for the fences because if he hits, he's going to be the best player in fantasy. One of the top three players of fantasy, like there's just that much potential. We saw it in those games. He had five games last year, three without Ramondre, two with Ramondre, 16 PPR points or more. Yeah, I, right. He was great. And for Ramondre, Dave, like I actually like his ADP. I, I guess I personally wouldn't call him a steel there. I think that's kind of where I would take him. 73rd overall as RB twos go. That's as steely as you can get. Okay. I still think you treat him as a flex, but sure. All right. We're going to take a break here and we've got more from Dave. I've got a few players. I'll throw at you as well as great values, draft day steals. And I'll tell you why. There's this one spot in the draft that I absolutely hate picking at. I picked there last night. I hate it. I'll tell you why in a little bit. We'll be right back. I'll be honest with you. I've never really enjoyed shopping for clothes. 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And I think there'll be further downfield and there will be some games where BTJ is like one of the best boom bust number three wide receivers that you could ask for. Who's a better value. Parker Washington, 74, fourth overall, or Brian Thomas jr. 86th overall Washington 87th. Okay. Um, next up, we've got Isaiah likely at 95th. So Tucker craft 76th or Isaiah likely 95th. Who do you like? I think because of the running back issue in green Bay and it's not to say I don't like Marshawn light. I just don't like Lloyd as much as you do, Adam. I think I'm going to lean craft. But I, these guys. These are two of the tight ends that I'm going to target if I miss out on the big four at the beginning of drafts. So Bowers goes too soon for me. McBride goes too soon for me. I whiff on Loveland. I whiff on Warren. I'm not panicking. I'm going to look to get one of these tight ends once I get to, let's call it even round six, because I know Kraft is going a little bit behind round six. But in round six, if I want to try and get somebody that can be a difference maker at tight end, or at least be a guy that I can start at tight end every week and not have to think about, I don't have to play the waiver wire to try and find a tight end, don't have to stream a guy. I think Kraft is there, and I think Likely is there, and I think they both play a very similar role for each of their offenses. I think they're short area targets for their quarterbacks. Yeah, Likely. Kraft, a much better yak guy than everyone in football history, honestly, throughout the course of his career. Likely, we still don't know what kind of player he is. I think he's a good player. I don't think he's necessarily a wowie-zowie athlete that's just going to run away from people. He'll run away from the slower defenders out there. But just big body, easy target for Jackson Dart. Giants want to run the football a lot, but I also think they don't want Dart to do it. And so that means he'll stay in the pocket a little bit longer, check down a little bit more, throw the short pass a little bit more, and I think Likely will be that guy. And that also means that he'll be a factor in the red zone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As long as Neighbors is healthy, that's going to make coverage a lot easier on Likely. Okay. Let's go to. And I just love tight. I love the tight end position. There's so much value up and down the board. You can take any approach you want at tight end. You want to go early? You want to wait for likely 95th overall or keep waiting and Kelsey, whatever, Jawan Johnson with your last pick, whatever it is. There's just so much value. There is. Quentin Johnston, 98th overall. Michael Wilson, 102nd overall. Who do you prefer there if we need a bench-wide receiver? I think it's really close between those two. I've got Wilson two spots ahead of Quentin Johnston. And I think they're both kind of serving in that same role where. Well, maybe Johnston maybe has a little bit of a better role just because he can be the number two target getter for the Chargers, whereas Wilson, it might take a lot of work for him to be the number two guy, but he could be number three. It's just going to be an Arizona offense that I expect to continue throwing the ball a ton this year. Love the way that he was utilized in the preseason. We heard about that being the case in the offseason, and I just think that LeFleur is going to be a better play designer for this offense than what we got out of Drew Petzing the last few years there. And I don't think it's necessarily a slight at Trey McBride. I just think they're going to throw the ball a ton, and I think it's going to be a little bit more even between the three players. McBride could be down to eight targets per game. Marvin Harrison Jr., Michael Wilson, probably closer to seven targets per game, maybe six and a half for Wilson. And just a really good value seeing him going after Pickwood to pick 100 overall. That's round nine for a receiver that we know what his upside is. We saw it last year on film. It will not take much for him to be 12 PPR points per game. I don't think he's going to get to like 20 or whatever he was at last year. 21.2 points per game in his last eight. Yeah, let's flip that two and the one. It's going to be more like 12, but six for 60, I think he could do on a fairly regular basis, throw a touchdown in there every now and then, a couple of breakaway plays. He's going to be able to win on those in-breaking and out-breaking routes, those horizontal routes, that we're looking for from wide receivers now. He should do more of those than Marvin Harrison Jr. It's just a matter of whether or not he'll be a primary in the red zone compared to McBride and compared to Marvin Harrison Jr. We already have the one play against Las Vegas where Marvin Harrison Jr. was the primary read and he scored a touchdown on a great throw from Brissette. The problem with Michael Wilson is that he was just so bad last year when everybody was healthy. It was like glaring how disappointing and uninvolved he was. And so hopefully LeFleur recognizes what he's doing. What he did last year and will utilize him like that. I think just comparing the two, it's very obvious that Mike McDaniel is going to utilize Quinn Johnston and try and get him involved. So I think there's more upside with Quinn Johnston to be hits. For a guy that has back-to-back seasons with eight touchdowns and hopefully can do a little bit more with everything else plus maybe another touchdown or two. So I lean Johnston because I think he's going to be better. Plus, again, Michael Wilson's career has been just largely disappointing until you had this perfect storm of Jacoby Brissette throwing all the time and Marvin Harrison not there. Even in the second half of the season, there was only one game where they were both on the field together where Michael Wilson did well. It was because he scored a touchdown. If I really felt like I could get Quinn Johnston 97th or 98th overall, I mean, he'd be on every single one of my teams. Yeah. He went 80th in our podcast league in one of my FFT open leagues. Let's see. Quentin Johnson. Sorry, I was trying to pull this up beforehand. He went 98th. I wish I had taken him there, so I won't keep going. This is probably boring for everybody, but I love it. I love the value there. Both those guys that, you know, Quinn Johnston, if you missed out on your chance to get Hampton or McConkie and you want a later spot of this Chargers offense and you don't take Herbert, Johnston's the way to do it. All right, Dave, we'll finish up. Oh, Blake Corum, 104th overall. And then Jacory Krosky-Merritt, 105th overall. Pretty different. Players, I think, right? Like, who do you prefer? I prefer Merritt, but it's because I know that he should be the lead back for the Commanders to begin the year. I don't know if that's necessarily a great thing, but if we're looking for running backs that are guaranteed, and I'm using that term loosely, touches, Merritt would be that guy. I'm probably a little too bullish on him. Did the Krosky member of the family do something to you that you won't call him Krosky-Merritt? No, no. I'm just trying to shorten my syllables here. I should just be calling him Bill, right? Instead of saying Jacory Krosky-Merritt every time I say his name. But let's just do simple opportunity math here. He should be the lead back for an NFL offense. I know the offensive line isn't great. I'm not sure how good this offense will be. I'm leaning toward it not being particularly good, but at bare minimum, he should see an efficiency boost for however long Jaden Daniels is healthy. And Blake Corum is a waiting game. We're waiting to see if he overtakes Kyron Williams. I think as long as the two of them are healthy, in L.A., it's going to be a tough sell for him to completely overtake Kyron Williams. But the contingency upside is very obvious for Blake Corum, and I think it depends on what you need by the time you get to round nine in your drafts. If you love your running backs and you want a lottery ticket, Corum is your guy. If you went hero RB or zero RB, and you need somebody who can start for you in week one and you'll have a reasonable amount of confidence, that would be Bill. Adam, just because I think it's worth mentioning, because we talked about both, give your take on. Blake Corum versus Travion Henderson, which I've seen stolen in a few places. No, I was just saying, like, Travion Henderson, the ADP is finally starting to go down on Henderson there, but it's like. I think he was going in the sixth round. He still might be going in the sixth round. I think he was going in the fifth round at one point. Yeah. Fifth, sixth, seventh round for Henderson. It's like, what's the difference between Travion Henderson and Blake Corum? You can get that same upside 30 picks later or something like that. You know, the same with Kyle Menangai. And both. All those guys are. All those guys are going to have a role. Blake Corum averaged 10.5 carries per game in the last 11 games of the year, while Kyron Williams averaged 14.9. There was a report. There were a couple reports earlier this year that it was going to be closer to 50-50. So, I don't really buy that, but you can get 10 carries, probably not a lot of catches, but he had eight goal line carries. They both had eight goal line carries, Kyron and Corum, in the last 11 games. So, it just doesn't make any sense to me to take Travion Henderson when you can take Blake Corum 30 picks later or whatever the case may be. Now, I want to bring up one other running back here because one of the guys that I thought was a good pick at ADP was Jordan Mason. And he's right in this group here with Corum and Ja'Cory Krosky-Merritt. And he's probably more similar to Ja'Cory Krosky-Merritt. I guess I prefer Jordan. I do prefer Jordan Mason. Same. Not even close. It is close because, you know, the reason why I originally preferred Mason was with the reports that he was going to be the guy and Aaron Jones was just going to kind of be the passing guy. But then, lo and behold, preseason starts and it's not that at all. I mean, it's basically an even split. But the reason why I still prefer Mason is the injury to Laramie Tunsell. I think it could have a really big effect on the run game there because you've lost an amazing tackle. You've also moved the guard out to tackle. It could really hurt that offensive line. Jamie, why is it easily Mason for you? Offense. 100% offense. You know, so I think you just look at it as. I think Rashad White's going to be a big factor also. So it's not like, you know, Ja'Cory Krosky-Merritt's alone and not getting competition. So it feels like they're both going to be in similar spots. Obviously, Ja'Cory Krosky-Merritt has huge upside. But like you just said, you know, the offensive line is a potential issue for the commanders, whereas the offensive line should be a strength for Minnesota. Feels as if they're trying to make things more sustainable for Jordan Mason to have a big year by changing how they're blocking and what they're trying to do to feature him a little bit more. Again, this guy averages five yards per carry for his career, 4.8 yards per carry last year. Not going to be a factor in the passing game, and neither is Bill. 28 career catches for Mason. So I think Bill might have a slight advantage there if you go back to the report we had about a month ago of him being more involved in the passing game in camp. But I still got to see that first. So if we're talking about, I shouldn't say it's easy, but I just prefer what I expect to be the better running back in Minnesota to the better running back in Washington. Okay, and Dave prefers Bill. But Dave also likes Casey Concepcion, Josh Downs, Matthew Golden, and Jalen Coker late in your draft. Can you please rank Concepcion down there golden and coker conception downs and i think i now have coker over golden okay conception double check that do you like conceptions conception better than quentin johnston or michael wilson no okay so you go wilson johnston conception downs coker golden and those are good players to have downs i've got golden over coker i'm sorry okay so those are good players to have in your on your bench absolutely i'll give you four or five steals and drafts i think colston loveland 42.3 that's his adp colston loveland in the middle of round four almost late round four now let's call it the middle of round four um exactly in the middle dumbass um and um we know who he is tenor war target well we don't know who he is tenor war targets in each of his last four games including the postseason uh they didn't throw a single screen pass to him last year and he's got kind of a high a dot that you that concerns me and that a plus like the fact that again it was only a little bit of a stretch makes me hesitant to take loveland in the third round and when i'm drafting with dave and jamie and heath and all these guys i have to take loveland either late third or really early in the fourth if i can get him once mcconkey a boot months mcconkey davante smith zay flowers that group's off the board travis a chan javante williams are off the board and we're starting to talk about breese hall and garrett wilson um uh tetherall mcmillan that's when i'm more comfortable taking loveland if he does get to me in the middle of round four i think it's a great pick uh ameka buka 44.5 dave i totally bought your hype about him as a round three breakout i just think the toe injury you have to be careful considering that of course but not only that his first three games i think i said it on the air right i said it off the air but they said it on the air cincinnati cleveland minnesota they were one three and two they were two three and one against wide receivers last year that's a tough way to start and and i buy it too i mean i think they are going to be good against wide receivers cincinnati maybe not as good because one of the reasons they were so good is they were terrible against the run they'll be better there but they have a shutdown corner and dj turner um so a buka now another guy i love is davante adams i have been drafting so much davante adams he's going 57th overall in cbs leagues and i would take him late in the fourth round i think he's right there with ameka buka wide receiver nine per game last year and he's going 57th overall in cbs leagues and if he catches eight touchdowns i did the research most of the time if you catch eight touchdowns you're almost guaranteed to score at least 14 points per game which is which last year was pretty damn good um so he also i think he's going to catch i think he's gonna have a higher catch rate this year he had one of the worst catchable target rates davante adams did last year of any wide receiver in the nfl he had a career high a dot let's bring the a dot down let's bring the catches up and he's still going to be a red zone threat by the way adams played one game without puka nakua he caught three touchdowns last year nakua back at practice i don't know if you said it i did not say that thank you yeah george kittle 84th i i called i shouldn't have called this a steal i think that's really appropriate value for kittle and i have in fact been taking a lot of him early in round eight i think that's the perfect time to take george kittle let me ask you a question first off going back to what we talked about earlier if you know that he's going to miss at least one game are you still taking him there yeah it has zero effect on me if you know he's missing three games no i'm not but tan just was pretty good last year okay well hold on one more question yeah if you know that he's missing at least one game to potentially three because he didn't get put on ir so it's assuming it's less than four and you only have five bench butts are you taking him yeah yep yeah it's tough i mean it's a it's tougher but if you know maybe you take zach charbonnet one of your bench players then you put him on ir and pick up a tight end but no i understand the question but i don't know if you know if you know if you know if you know if you question um i just look george kittle we know we know who he is he's been a top three tight end per game in seven of the last eight seasons he's coming off a torn achilles but i'm just starting to feel like medicine is has advanced so much that these guys are just you know breaking trends and and coming back better i'm not going to rule it out for him i do think he's a guy that you should probably take a second tight end and juan johnson could get off to a very nice start so i think that's a good pairing and i mentioned jordan mason and that's it and i will end the show with my random thought of the day i hate picking fourth i really don't know who to take it would be puka nakua easily for me if i didn't think there was a chance he'd get suspended but um i hate it makes me want to take mccaffrey but then i feel like dave and jamie and heath are going to throw tomatoes at me for picking mccaffrey you take who you want man yeah dude we're not gonna first of all i'd like to enjoy my tomatoes make a nice sauce that's his favorite fruit right yeah who do you so why would i waste them by throwing them at you how do you take fourth puka yes and if not puka it would be saint brown if not saint brown it'd be jason it would not be christian mccaffrey i just feel like i'm gonna get it wrong like picks one through three is so easy to me i really like picking late in the in the round four five six seven i'd say i just feel like i'm gonna screw it up um how do you feel when you're up in late round four too well davante adams is on my team and by the way if i took puka nakua would be fine taking davante adams i mean that'd be better if i could do it around five 80 pieces a day when you're when you're late round four like pick 40 you're good i mean so stupid all right uh that's how it is in a 10 team league at least we got to give you credit for that adam thank you thank you okay that's it for today's show we'll talk to you on cbs sports network at noon eastern for dave and jamie i'm adam talk to you tomorrow paramount podcasts