The transcription provides a detailed account of Samuel, an experienced coyote involved in guiding undocumented migrants across the U.S.-Mexico border. Samuel shares his personal experiences, challenges faced in his illegal activities, and reflections on the evolving nature of human trafficking. He discusses the impact of heightened border security measures, his interactions with law enforcement, and the role of corruption in facilitating illegal crossings. Samuel expresses a mix of nostalgia, regret, and resilience as he navigates the complexities of his trade. The text also touches on the broader context of migration, the influence of political decisions on border policies, and the human cost of clandestine journeys. Through Samuel's story, the transcription sheds light on the harsh realities of undocumented migration and the intricate web of complicity and survival that characterizes the border region.
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"As it sounds, stories that deserve to be heard."
The border, from Donald Trump, is in trouble.
With the threat of arrests that will soon be massive deportations
and the construction of a wall in front of Iso, which begins in California,
Mariana Martinez talks with a true insider of undocumented migration.
An old coyote, one who has seen the world change under his steps in the mountains.
That's how it sounds in the history of the border.
Well, yes, it was my first time seeing the light of the United States.
My cousin told me, "We're here, we're here, I wanted to see a house."
It's the same thing that's happening to the people who are coming to the new ones.
They see a big house, a yard full of pastas and flowers.
It's amazing.
The adrenaline that I felt when I first saw the light of the freeway.
Samuel was 13 when he first felt the pleasure of being filled with adrenaline.
He led a group of undocumented immigrants to California.
It was the day he was released as a chicken or coyote,
that is, as a person trafficker.
Although he puts a gesture of contempt to those names
and prefers to be identified as a guide.
Forty-one years later, the eyes still shine on him to remember that moment.
We were left to see in his favorite place to cross.
A hill that is usually brown and green because it has been raining.
To this hill, he leaves with a knife of metal oxidized.
The front wall made him jump over the hills to penetrate the sea.
Well, the more I managed to cross, to give us 20, 40,
20 because I was not confident.
This hill is going to be lost with the people, it will not arrive.
It was a 12-hour walk through the Sierra that is now called the Nido de las Águilas.
That time it did not have that name.
Samuel is brown, low, round-faced. He has four children and 57 years.
He was born in the Misteca de Oaxaca Sierra in 1960.
He has seven brothers and is Scorpion.
Tell me why this is your favorite place of Tijuana, this hill that we are seeing.
Because there was a police.
Where?
The country that goes ahead.
And this was my favorite place because I never had a failure in five years.
They are 300, I'm not going to put it in 60 days because I rested on Sundays.
But from Monday to Saturday I never failed a single trip to the United States.
For five years.
And the day they kicked me out, I have always made swearing.
When I feel bad, I do not do it again.
That is why I have survived for a long time.
I have never liked many of the mistakes.
I like perfection.
While he talks to me, his eyes dance vivaciously scanning the ground.
He is always alert.
He seems to move with the compass of the instinct that guided his children.
It was poverty and not perfection.
Samuel left the mountains at the age of eleven.
A child traveling only three days on a bus heading to Tijuana, where he was going to live with a uncle.
That uncle is not responsible for me and I stayed in Tijuana.
And I did not like Tijuana.
I had to go to San Quintinba, California.
I had to know what it is to cultivate a tomato plant, plant it, harvest it.
At the age of three, they admired me because they wanted a child to grow ten or twenty hectares.
And I did it.
The elders advised him to leave the countryside, where he was going to end up as poor as in the mountains.
And so he returned to the city.
When I went to Tijuana, I found a cousin.
And I looked at what he did, what was that about people.
I told him that I was invited.
He told me that yes, that such a day would come.
At that time, from 1974 to 1975,
people gathered during Monday to Thursday to cross them at night
and cross them and be in an area of the United States
close to the retent that was in Clemente.
We had the chance to go from Monday to Thursday.
All the people we wanted to have it together in a specific place
to cross Saturday or Sunday, which was the only chance
that the retent was removed from the review or did not review much.
As in the countryside, Samuel stood out, but this time in the traffic of people.
He became independent of his cousin and began to do the work on his own.
It did not take long before they discovered him in the shed.
They grabbed me and the girl, as it was foreign,
said here they will punish me for being foreign to the girl.
And then what I told her, until you are a mute and you do not know how to speak,
do what you do, you do not speak, you just push her.
And so, with the woman pretending not to be able to speak,
it was that they released Samuel due to lack of evidence against him.
With his stupefaction, he escaped to the very same Interpol.
He always took eight or ten people who were foreigners from all over the world.
From all over Nicaragua, Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras,
from many parts of the world.
And this path that is here, there are stairs, I remember all that.
The Interpol of Mexico arrived and as I was dressed well,
I always went down in front of the people who followed me.
They were some fat, old men from the Interpol of Mexico.
They were waiting for the people who came down from the truck.
They grabbed her.
I did not reach, look, they grabbed one and gave her a box.
I did not go down the stairs fast, I did not even feel it.
I came to stop until here in the line.
The next day they released those people.
It was the only time that Mexico grabbed me,
they wanted to catch me in this government.
They worked well, I went from hand to hand with magic art.
The business grew so much that in the 80s it offered its services,
including the delivery to Misily.
I distributed the migrants to the plane.
It cost a dollar for the trolley, 19 dollars for the plane ticket,
$5 for the railhound from the airport of Los Angeles,
to distribute the people.
The Western Airlines was big,
it was the only thing that gave us privileges that there was always flight.
Only that word was known, one would say "Por Western".
And the name was not "Mr".
Or...
When it was the name of a woman, no.
We only gave her the name of the woman.
But when it was the name of Mr. Juan or Gutierrez,
we invented the name.
But when they started to ask for ID,
I retired and did not return.
His whole life seemed like a series of Saudi escapes.
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Like the morning in which he deceived the border patrol,
doing a feint.
When he was discovered,
he made them believe that he was still with the group of migrants for a canyon.
When, in reality, what he did was return to the Mexican territory.
For his fault,
they stopped another group of 300 migrants who were walking around.
He was very proud to be an astute,
but he still presumed that he did not have any death in consciousness.
Although he was very, very close.
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Once I sent people to the sea.
It was a marriage of 16, 14, and the girl.
Young marriage and another person who came out of Tijuana were three.
We sent them.
It was an air barrier.
It broke the veil and the communication was erased.
There was no communication.
I was talking several times and nothing.
They spent three days.
The family members of the boys were already threatening to report it to the court.
But hours later, they received a call.
They were the migrants who had been rescued by coast guards in American waters.
They were rescued, that is to say,
because the coast guards asked for a bribe instead of putting them in a safe place.
That is why the agent was rescued.
The coast guard gave him a bribe.
He told us that if we wanted that bribe,
they would put the bribe where we asked for it.
And he did the treatment.
In his life as a trafficker,
Samuel has always worked with the complicity of immigration agents
and border patrols in the United States,
policemen of all levels, military and even sailors in Mexico.
According to him, everyone is happy about the traffic of people.
The narco is paid...
right now, about $100 per person.
If it's $5,000, it's $500.
Do we pass or don't we pass?
What about the policemen?
Well, it includes everything.
Narcos, a single word, police and everything.
Because the narco is the one who controls the police.
There was someone from the Navy who let us cross two people's trails.
There were 300 daily people in their trails.
That was my most beautiful experience.
To think that human trafficking is beautiful gives me chills.
In my memories, images of migrants fixed in containers
dehydrated, killed by heat,
delirious in the desert.
It's not beautiful.
What I did is that it's very lucrative.
Because by engraving all the hands of the invisible machinery of traffic,
a lot of money is made.
With so many anecdotes and complicities,
I calculate that Samuel should be immensely rich.
And he isn't.
He doesn't have properties, he doesn't live with luxuries,
he comes to see me in a collective taxi.
His children are hired in factories.
And together, they just opened a sale position for cell phones.
What did you spend on the money?
In dances, in pachangas.
But as my wife says, you didn't think about the future.
The future is there with all those who are dead.
For having had them kidnapped and being dead.
Because they wanted to extort everything that...
All their lives were earned with sacrifice.
Sacrifice is said because we risked our freedom,
our time with sleeping in the mountains,
or in some place with the people.
It was a sacrifice for them and where they are, they are dead.
Because they kidnapped them because they wanted to take away
all the fortune they had.
Arranged by his calm voice and his description of his sacrifice days,
it's easy to forget that Samuel isn't a hero,
that he isn't a guide or a lost soul shepherd.
He's a trafficker, although he's called in another way
and he's created the heir of Joaquin Murrieta,
a legendary chicken that he admires because the legend tells
that he was good and helped the people.
We've known each other for a decade
and since then, under the family contract, the cautel continues to operate.
I try not to go alone to our encounters,
I always warn a colleague of my plans
and I inform him of my father.
He never confirms that we see each other until an hour before the wedding.
I always receive calls that he answers,
just making jokes
and invariably he takes me to eat a black mole where he says,
"There's always a tension between your security and mine.
As long as we say goodbye,
I breathe relief from leaving your company."
With Samuel, the fact that he knows more about the devil
by old than by devil is fulfilled,
because not any trafficker arrives at old.
It's because of his years and not because of his ethics,
because of which I welcome him very anguished,
with Trump just leaving the Paris agreements
and planning to reinforce the famous wall,
starting from California.
A wall under whose shadow I grew up,
that already dirty the panorama in Tijuana since 1994
and that has been reinforcing with stadium lights,
infrared cameras,
a second wall, a third wall,
non-trivial drones, helicopters,
what is going on with this crazy guy?
Samuel looks at me as serene,
in a posture like the Buddha of the traffickers,
with the calm of a spiritual guide,
which is not.
I don't know what the president would do
when he made a lot of rounds in the fields,
in 1970, 1975, 1973,
still in the 80s he came to look at what he touched me,
that they came to the fields and they did,
they perceived the people and the people ran
between the bridges or between the houses
or in the factories that people ran away from.
Trump is turning into that old way
to exert the pressure of an illegal in his country.
As I said, sometimes the money will be able to,
the people, even if you pay them,
if the people don't want to cooperate with one another,
it's more the dignity of the people
than the money that the United States is going to pay
so that they can go and get their things up.
Hopefully it will affect them so that they know
that there is so much to be done,
that we do humans against humans.
We are all necessary.
The harvest is already being sown in the field
and families are deporting entire families,
and perhaps we are all necessary,
but, but...
with a smile on the face,
Samuel revives me that nobody can keep
the power of being enemies everywhere,
something to know about that.
The survival depends on just keeping in touch
and friendship.
There will be more serious consequences.
It has never been looked at,
it will be looked at,
it will be looked at that it is not so easy
what it is proposing or what it is doing.
I decide not to talk about my anxieties
and I ask how the business is going.
Are you worried because migrants don't come?
Not at all.
From this coffee shop that is green today,
Samuel sees Trump as an old boy
who doesn't know what to do with his new toy.
In this case, a country.
Well, I am looking for the way
to make everything easier.
How do you get access to know
where to cross?
What to do?
What is new in your work?
Well, the new thing is to have a contact
on the line.
I have never used papers like that
of my Cachoeca.
I have never liked that.
It is better to cross in a car,
hidden or in the trunk,
as it is, but not to use papers.
But, and the 5,000 people on the border
and the investment in point technology,
although I try to control myself,
I gain the anguish again.
Well, I can do it, but like people,
and my thought is that
the mother of all that,
the need is greater than what Trump is going to do.
For the need, people are not going to wait
for Trump to reach 5,000 and not want to cross.
People are going to go
on the other side,
they are going to invent other things.
We are going to invent, I tell myself,
but I am from the same group.
Calculate what will be the poverty,
the drought and the fear,
that will make people pay more expensive
and more often.
Arrío Revuelto won from fishers
and from coyotes.
He was a 8-year-old mother.
They did not pay 6,504 times
with Trump, they are going to pay.
In the Trump mandate, they are going to pay
6x4 = $24,000 in the Trump mandate,
because they are going to do it 4 times
that they are going to return it to their country.
So,
on that side,
he is going to give us a lot of work.
For Samuel, the only real end of his business
would be an orderly migratory process,
which we are not even close to.
For us,
it does not matter who we are,
life continues, but for us,
we do not look at anything different.
And
it would be that they do the right thing,
that they start hiring people
like in the time of the Brazilians,
we would finish the job for ourselves
and the people would live a little better.
Samuel insists on describing himself as a guide,
a trafficker of the old guard,
very aware that among recent changes
there is the rise of a generation of traffickers
much more bloodthirsty than theirs,
more young people who are replacing them.
Well, I do not know what happened to him,
the Chinese,
I do not know if they knew that they raised in Rosarito,
that the Chinese played with the Chinese,
that person was sent to their Chinese nationals
and they did not pay the pass,
that is why they killed him.
That is the new generation of young people
who are, they do not forgive.
There are those new traffickers with even less scrap,
another change is added, their health.
After 40 years of walking around,
Samuel has the knees covered with dust,
he does not make the trip and has to pay.
Previously, yes, 30, 40 people,
up to 80 people were taken to the fields
and one returned every week, every month,
to collect it from the past, nothing more.
But not now because
it is counted because the one who is going to write to us in his car
he wants his money,
the one who guides them wants his money,
it is all counted.
Many people think that because we like to cross people,
because we want,
we like wealth,
we like it because
it is like
what the guys say right now, adrenaline in my blood,
I get excited and bored
the vigilance of the gringos,
I like that people feel so beautiful
when one manages to cross them.
It is adrenaline that
makes me rejuvenate when I am older.
Confia,
more than politics or governments,
in the forces of nature,
its ideal cross is on a rainy night in Eblina,
like those that abound in this coastal area of the Pacific.
There is Eblina,
many people from the crosshairs,
where is your technology?
The mother nature,
until now I have not seen that someone,
that the network
and makes it lose,
that is what I have been saying,
that it is a rain or an Eblina,
its high technology does not serve for anything,
because the sea has always been used,
the air is the same as the air,
because of the train,
because they are looking for the way to go inside.
In addition,
Confia in another type of nature,
the human one,
the one that makes us all fallible,
corrupt, weak.
Well, in Filidiano,
80% can be faithful,
but they are also human,
they hurt,
they have a family, they have children,
they have descendants,
who were migrants,
that is how the United States is made,
people who are not from that country,
they came from other countries,
in the times of the,
you can say from the nomads,
there may be a guardian of them,
who are talking about the heart,
because it has touched me,
they have given me permission to pass without,
not a cobra,
just because,
because of the human being,
the guardian.
I almost say goodbye with a reverence.
In addition to the relief of always,
this time I feel infected with its tranquility,
with respect to Trump,
the wall, nature, the future.
A few weeks after our talk,
someone made a huge hole in that homoxidation,
right in the hill where the interview was made.
It refers to a bucket that was made on the border wall,
that divides Mexico from the United States,
by a group of undocumented people,
it is known that through the real wall,
three people were able to cross the border,
before the hole was repaired by the United States authorities.
I call him looking to see if it was him,
if that is part of his new strategy,
to open buckets on the wall,
at night of fog and rain,
like those who like it.
He does not answer me.
The master of elevation,
he applies his best smoke bomb.
For weeks I get tired of hearing that he sends me abuse,
and I refuse to know that if it was him,
he would tell me until I gave him the desire.
The only thing I am sure is that,
if he tells me,
he will be accompanied by our ceremonial plate
of moley guaja queño.
As it sounds,
it is a production of pure content.
The general producer of As It Sounds,
the one that makes this be heard as you hear it,
is Mariana Linares Cruz.
The sound design and the mix,
Hugo Santos.
The music, all original,
as it sounds, is called López.
The direct sound is from José Fernández Tanco.
As it sounds,
it is a production of pure content,
of Anonymous Society,
which we are Maria Scherer,
Giseli Barra and I.
I am Carlos Puch.
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Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Samuel, an old coyote, shares insights into undocumented migration along the U.S.-Mexico border.
Samuel's experiences as a guide for undocumented immigrants, his encounters with law enforcement, and his reflections on the complexities of human trafficking.
Samuel's perspective on the changing landscape of border security, the impact of political decisions on migration, and his hopes for a more humane approach to immigration.
Summary:
-Mexico border. Samuel shares his personal experiences, challenges faced in his illegal activities, and reflections on the evolving nature of human trafficking. He discusses the impact of heightened border security measures, his interactions with law enforcement, and the role of corruption in facilitating illegal crossings.
Samuel expresses a mix of nostalgia, regret, and resilience as he navigates the complexities of his trade. The text also touches on the broader context of migration, the influence of political decisions on border policies, and the human cost of clandestine journeys. Through Samuel's story, the transcription sheds light on the harsh realities of undocumented migration and the intricate web of complicity and survival that characterizes the border region.
FAQs
Samuel's first time seeing the light of the United States was when his cousin took him to see a house.
He felt adrenaline and excitement when he first saw the light of the freeway.
Samuel led a group of undocumented immigrants to California at the age of 13, starting his role as a guide.
Samuel's favorite crossing place was a hill in Tijuana where he never failed for five years.
Samuel managed to escape by pretending that a woman with him couldn't speak, leading to his release due to lack of evidence against him.
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