Fascist Fashion with Tan France

Lemonada. You get asked about celebrity fashion all the time. You get asked about fashion in regards to heterosexuality. You get asked about fashion on the runway. One of the things you don't get asked about is the fashion choices of the dictator and despots that shape society. Tan, I'd love your fashion takes on some of the world's greatest despots and dictators. Let's do it. So let's take a look at this first one. This is Kim Jong-un and Xi Jinping. My publicist is going to hate what I'm about to say. Purely based on what they are wearing. This is true. Sartorial choices. Dictator fashion. There are sartorial choices exclusively. Yes. Kim Jong-un. The supreme leader. I hate to say his jackets always fit well. He's wearing a military style Nehru jacket in a really good fit. So it skims his body really well. In stark contrast, his is bad. His is not a good look. The other guy's crushing the look. All right, let's look at our next dictator. Let's look at Vladimir Putin. The jacket is a lot. Take away that jacket. And I like that he went for a roll neck. Is it the fur and the suede and the. Exposed zipper and the patch pockets and the shearling on the neck and the sleeve. It's everything. There is someone I've been obsessed with ever since the Patriot Act. Yes. I was obsessed with the Libyan dictator, Muammar Gaddafi. Bad dude. Okay. Hot take. Not a great guy. He shot a civilian airline out of the sky. Not great. That being said. Style fucking icon. Bam. Are you struggling with sight? Because that outfit's hideous. What are you talking about? The outfit's hideous. It looks so badly made. It looks like it's from Shein. Okay. How dare you? Let's take a look at look two. Bam. Bam. Okay. You know what? It is. This is it. It's very bold. I don't. I'm not mad at the pin. The pin's nice. This is the end. This is the end. This is the end. This is the end. This is the end. here too even if they were racist they didn't know how to be racist towards me and i know that sounds really lame to want that i'll take that and you thinking i want to fucking call him where the fuck is he from i don't know how to hurt him as opposed to i know exactly what to say you dirty and then we pivot from racism to some really heavy important topics like body hair and how our strategy of trimming in hotel bathrooms has made us shunned by society i thought everyone does that is it just us it's us it's just us oh don't you dare come for us in the comments unless you have visible hair on your knuckles okay ladies and gentlemen you've been asking the one the only mr tan france let's go thank you so this is gonna be so fun this is this is it's just pure fun fuck yeah hasan my family were really uh really really really asian like so asian and so we were really particular about how everything was done and uh and they didn't want us to be super asian they wanted us to live the asian life at home but be successful in the uk okay and i don't know what life is like for asian americans but for us it was a case of we want you to be the most pakistani at home but when you leave this house you will speak in a really perfect english accent no regional stuff so i have people make fun online a lot of my accent because it doesn't sound like a yorkshire accent it's a very neutral accent that was by design so when we were out of the house we called our parents mom and dad right we didn't call them abu and amit just was not a thing they really wanted the moment the door opens you're like mom mom what oh yeah okay oh yeah they wanted us i know that that sounds crazy yeah but they knew how england worked we wouldn't get work we wouldn't see success if we were not speaking queen's english okay i know that sounds nuts but she was right i wouldn't be sat here i wouldn't be there's no way i'd be on tv if i was like listen let's go to the park in it like that just wouldn't happen that would not happen you'd be on man like mubeen you wouldn't be that's exactly that's exactly it i want your thoughts on this a lot of times people say fashion is for rich people it kind of like when you hear the sentence we bought this home in all cash what are your thoughts on the critique that people think that fashion is elitist it depends on your idea of fashion okay if you think fashion is just the runway then yeah absolutely it's elitist but if you see fashion as more style than just the hottest trend i don't think it's elitist i think i i i've said this before i'm going to say it again if you can't dress well cheaply you can't dress well you can't dress well cheaply you can't dress well you have no style if you can't dress well cheaply if you're relying on you know how i don't know if you might you may also do this i don't do this when you work with a stylist they will say do you want to wear look 12 from the ysl show and you're wearing it head to toe that is i know it's a stylist job but they're not having to really style anything they're just taking very expensive clothes and wearing them the way that they're shown on the runway but if you had a 200 budget and you had a red carpet or an event yeah and if you nail it i respect that so much more than i ever would you just pulled a look why isn't that a thing why isn't that a thing that the thing you just introduced the idea of like this person went on ebay they pulled the entire look between a garage sale grailed ebay and thrifting and it looks incredible i think that's that would be such a such a i would love flex i would have loved taste and discernment i couldn't agree more i would have loved that as a kid watching people on the red carpet thinking you did that yourself like you put that together i'd be so impressed when i first started on uh on netflix i did a few red carpets and i refused to use their stylist they give you a stylist budget and i refused to use a stylist i was like i'm going to wear what i want to wear do you know what primark is i have no idea what it's kind of like a um kind of like a forever 21 situation okay really inexpensive fast fashion i'm not encouraging anyone to shop primark um but it was a really inexpensive suit wanted to see if anyone would know the difference between me and anyone else on the red carpet was on us in a suit and so i bought just this nice simple suit not nice simple suit that was about 75 not not more than 75 got it tailored for less than 50 and then went on that red carpet and i was asked so many times gosh where did you get your suit from gosh that's a lovely suit where did you get your suit from and i said this is a suit that cost me less than all this cost less show you that you should be able to do this because I felt so excluded as a kid thinking I want to look nice i care about clothes and if you haven't got ten thousand dollars you can't look nice bullshit absolute bullshit what do people mean when they say fashion is a way to express yourself what do you mean when you say that it might be something very different for you i and it maybe it's just me that feels this way so i'm not speaking for everybody okay but it's it's the message i try and convey it's my whole career which is you can choose to just wear something that doesn't feel like you whatsoever i'm not saying this about you but you could just put all black on and think i've at least put clothes on i don't feel anything in these clothes they don't represent me in any way but i put put clothes on for me as you can see i always put a look on even if somebody else hates it doesn't matter it's how i'm communicating to whoever sees me i really cared about what i was putting on today and this is the version of me that i i would like to present today which is i'm put together i feel somewhat comfy casual i don't feel so uptight that i think fashion is the easiest quickest way to express who you are i think for a lot of straight men yeah when they use fashion as a way to express themselves they can be made fun of for it by their friends by their friends by people at school work or even their own spouses yeah i'll give an example bina made fun of you didn't she yes she did great what did she say okay so look i used to own a t-shirt from the simpsons it was a bart man t-shirt okay i thought what i was saying was hey i'm telling the world i'm silly i'm a little irreverent and i love this tv show yeah what she was saying is this is embarrassing yeah and many people on the internet have said this about their spouses that wear comic book t-shirts or cartoon t-shirts and to that i say how dare you why why is that bad i i need you to to know that i that this is the truth when i say i don't mind a slogan okay maybe it depends on the slogan but i don't mind a slogan team and i don't mind a comic book strip whatever it is on your t-shirt a picture on your t-shirt yeah i think it was bartman bartman bartman bartman yeah so there's so again it's and i mean this legitimately it was a way to express myself yeah like you really i was really i really like the simpsons i really like the simpsons during this particular era of the simpsons in this particular character within that era i'm not mad i think bina was wrong why do so many white women want to express themselves through a bindi god that's such a good question especially at coachella i don't know i wonder if when they go to the lights of coachella they're thinking i just want to be free and so i'm gonna cosplay as an indian girl because they seem free but i really want to say you think our people are free have you met our parents and so i think that they have a misunderstanding of what a bindi is or any kind of south asian clothing sure i think that they see it as a sign of freedom expression and expression and they are definitely confused how do you think about fashion cycles for example jeans had a flare then they were baggy then they were skinny then they were baggy again we met when we first met jeans were skinny and i wore really skinny jeans when i met you um so so it's usually i'm sure you know it's usually 20 years um however social media has encouraged us to move through um fashion cycles much quicker than we used to so it used to be roughly 20 years it's going to come back i think now it's 10 years it's going to come back mark my words within the next two or three years we will be encouraged to wear skinny jeans again i can't imagine i'll i'll do that i think once we hit a certain age we've already done that thing so we learn our lesson yeah i'm assuming do you believe in that theory of that everybody dresses in the last year they were cool for example my dad still dresses like it's 1993 now i would argue he wasn't cool in 1993 yeah but in najmi's mind he was cool in 1993 no actually there is somebody i'm thinking of who still dresses the way they always haven't but they look amazing i don't mind if you stick with a look even if it's the 80s if you stick with a look because it made you feel good and you're still like working it it's not just a lazy thing like you're really committing to the bit like if your dad is fully committing to the 90s look it's not just it's just easy they're my clothes like i put them on i respect that so greatly okay do you know justin thoreau personally you did a show a movie with him at one point do you know him personally no i don't know personally he's worn the same style for like 15 20 years he still wears a skinny jean which is so not the trend yet he still looks wicked and i just think yeah because that's so you you're not trying to be anybody else i appreciate it so much i i really do appreciate it so much what makes something cool i don't know and i don't care about cool i've never tried i know myself actually here's the thing i do know about myself i know that i should never try to be cool because i know what my life is i am a mom i watch my kids most days i chose to live in utah i choose to not go to fancy events or be seen stumbling out of a nightclub like i live the opposite of a cool life i watch golden girls and 30 rock most nights that that is my idea of a good time yeah so i'm so the anti-cool that i don't register what is cool and i don't care about what's cool and i don't care about what's cool and i don't care about what's and if i see someone trying to be cool i just think you couldn't be less cool to me just be okay with being into stamps i don't care that you're in stamp i know that's great if you enjoy it enjoy it so the answer is i don't know because i don't know what cool is i i think what i do is cool enough for me can i can i ask about your opinion about something just like this is a macro question okay so one of the most popular episodes of patriot act that was on our show was the episode on fast fashion oh okay and i think that's a really good question because i think that's a really good one now the episode on fast fashion this is something that has made people mad since the 90s well this is something that if you mention it to people they will clearly get upset about it but it's not going away kind of like tax evasion or woody allen these things aren't going away unfortunately that being said people are now more and more aware of its environmental impact how bad it is for both consumers labor all of it do you think it will ever change no i don't think there's anything you could show people to get them to change their spending when it comes to fashion why is that my opinion i i hate to always make things about race but sometimes i think it's just appropriate if we were seeing people let's say americans white americans because we we see documentaries or whatever or maybe it's just a post about conditions in certain factories or in certain countries that are producing the clothes that um are the fast fashion items that people are purchasing i think that there's such a disconnect with them thinking well they're not even like us like that's we've almost dehumanized them because they're not us in in the west they're not they're not the americans they're not the brits i think if um a person were to see that this was happening across town from them it's their own people they're not the americans they're not the brits people it's the people that they know from the grocery store from school i think that that might be the thing that could encourage them to change their thinking of it and and feel more compassion for those people but i think that the thought is always well there are people so far away problem over there those people are so far away yes they may be going through absolute health to make my pair of jeans but that that's not a human i understand so it doesn't matter that that's i i wish i could come up with a better answer than the the but that is when i boil it down i think that's the reason why it's because we don't humanize them enough for the for it to matter to those people no that's that's a very um yeah that's a very real point um the dehumanization of kind of labor that's happening over there uh the people that are participating it don't look like me i don't know anybody like that yeah it's like when there's a a war or conflict and um and you wouldn't you're less likely to give money or care about them because they're a different race that you don't you don't care that much about the fact that they're asians that are going through the south asians are going through this they don't look like you so why care but if it was my uh it was my fellow country person if it's a white person in america they're like oh i understand your suffering because i'm the same as you so i'm more inclined to give you a donation as opposed to that person in africa we all know about girl dinner but have you had dad lunch the main course is the crust of a pb and j your child is just desecrated dessert is a melted tootsie roll that you found under the car seat in a minivan which is weird 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The thing that I, maybe it's not necessarily that I learned, but it just reinforced the fact that I, I, I, I had hoped that things had moved on somewhat from the eighties and nineties, but what it wrote, it, what it showed me and made very clear. It's just as bad today as it has always been. We just did a, a much better job of hiding it and making it seem like it wasn't there anymore. Cause I think, I can't remember if it made it in this documentary. I haven't seen the documentary in a long time or if it was just ancillary content, but we did this focus group with people from many different groups in South Asia and they were mostly women. And it's amazing. It was amazing hearing their stories. They were all young. They were all under like 25. Hearing what they go through today. It's exactly as it was just the language changed around it. Um, and so that was, that was the thing that I learned was that it's still there. We just found a way to hide it a little bit, but a bit better. I don't know if you felt this way, but you, you, you talk about the racism that you went through growing up in the UK. You told a story about you being five years old and getting beaten up by adults. How did that shape your life in the way you saw yourself in the UK and did that on some level, as you got older, made you say, I have to leave this place and go to the US? Yeah. I always knew from a very young age and it was a thing that really pissed my mom off a lot. So you're from an Asian family. You know that we don't typically move away from home. Actually. I want to make this very clear for the, um, the, your audience who are not Asian, British Asians are so different from American Asians. And when we say Asian, sorry, I mean, South Asians and England, we don't differentiate. We're just Asian. Um, I think the American Asian experience is a lot more Westernized than the British Asian experience. And, uh, you've been to the UK enough to, I'm hoping I've noticed that there's actually quite a stark difference between us and you guys. Um, when I was a kid and there was so much violence and animosity towards my family, I knew from a very young age, this isn't home, like home should be safe. We're not safe here. So this can't be our home. And I used to say to my mom, as soon as I can, I'm going to move from this country. I need to leave this country. I will never feel safe here. You're not safe here. Why did you bring us here? And obviously my parents just wanted us to assimilate and just build a life. That's where they had chosen to come to, to see success. Um, and so for years I would say, I need to go, I need to go, I need to go, I need to get to America. I think that that might be where I might find peace. Because you know, because you didn't have people that look like me on your TV. So I thought you're not going to know where we're from. So you're not going to know how to be racist to me. And the crazy thing is Hassan, that's exactly what happened. I came here when I was 17 and no one knew where I was from. I just had this dark skin and compared to white people, dark skin and a very British accent. Where's he from? So do they think you were just like a vaguely Mediterranean man with a posh British accent? Yeah, that's exactly it. Yeah. Or just ethnically ambiguous. Some people thought, some people thought I was Mexican. Some people thought I was South American. Some people thought I was from the Mediterranean. They just couldn't place me. No one ever thought I was Pakistani. Also, I don't think they knew what that, I don't think Americans knew what that was 20 years ago. They still don't. Yeah. Um, and so actually they do now because we helped broker a peace deal apparently. Um, and so other than that though, they didn't really know what I was. And so I was able to move to a place where even if they were racist, they didn't know how to be racist towards me. Right. And I know that sounds really lame to want that. I'll take that and you thinking, I want to fucking call him something, where the fuck is he from? I don't know how to hurt him. As opposed to, I know exactly what to say, you dirty packy. Why was that? Why is that word so loaded there? It's just a word that's not used in the US, but for a lot of my friends that are South Asian, this like word was used as a way to bully and beat them up basically. I can't even tell you what. What that word still does to me. Somebody called me a packy not too long ago after Queer Eye in England. Uh, and I thought stupidly, I thought I've reached some kind of success. Whatever your idea of success is, I just thought I am successful. I was wealthy. I was on a very successful TV show. My life was in a good place. And then I get called a packy from some scum on the street. I'm like, God, what the fuck is this? How is this possible? How is this happening? And it takes you right back and you feel physically sick thinking, oh my God, no matter what success I see, it doesn't negate the fact that so many of you will just see me as that thing, which you find disgusting. Did you eventually find peace and happiness here or. In America? Yes. Yeah. I know that I sound crazy. Let me just say this. I know you probably got. Because you didn't just move to America. You moved to Salt Lake City. Okay. Let me add to that. Don't say that with such disdain. Um, so. Yeah. I love Salt Lake City. I think it's very beautiful. But I think it's not. Based on your problem, I don't know if it's the solve that you're looking for. I think you'll find it is. You don't know. I'm going to tell you. Let me educate all of you who think that. Think certain things of Salt Lake. Just so you know, I am going to be moving from Salt Lake, but I've been there for 19 years. Sure. And if I could stay there forever, I would. You loved it so much, you left. No, it's my husband's midlife crisis and he wants us to move and I'm a good husband. And so I will make my husband happy. Okay. Were you guys moving here? To New York. Yeah. Hey, we're going to see each other. Inshallah. Inshallah. Inshallah, bro. So, I. You're leaving Salt Lake City to move to Mamdanistan. Good for you. That's exactly it. That's exactly it. So, when I first came to America, I'll try and keep this short for you, I promise. I moved to America. My housemate was from Salt Lake City. He said, "Do you want to come and check out Salt Lake City?" Yes, I'd love to. I'd never heard of it. We don't hear about Utah, Salt Lake in England, obviously. And so I was like, "Yeah, I'll see what that's all about." I was treated so beautifully that first evening by the wait staff that were there. At the restaurant, when I was out, people were just curious. Like, "Hi, how are you? Who are you? Where are you from?" Because it was so not diverse 20 years ago. I was a very rare thing to see. And so I was treated so nicely, but most importantly, I was asked out twice that first night at dinner by two separate women. And I thought, "They don't know that I'm Pakistani here. They don't know that I'm seen as a second-class citizen in my part of the world. They just see me as. " "A person." And that, I know it sounds pathetic, but it really made me feel something, because I'd never felt that in England. And so I thought, "Okay, I'm going to try and stay here." They this is my people. They want me here. They care for me here. They don't make me feel like I'm less than here. And that has been the case for my entire 19 years. I need you to understand, Utah, yes, may be quite Republican, but Salt Lake is really a balanced community. And also, so Utah, I'm sure most of you know, is like the Mecca for Mormons. And it's encouraged a culture where even if you think something negative about somebody, you're not going to say, oh, it's very unlikely that you will say it. I've never known it to happen. The crime rate's real low. And so even- No, I'm on board. I've been to Salt Lake. The thing that I'm really struggling to follow here is that you said you were at a restaurant and two women asked you out. Yeah, I wasn't dressed as f***y as I normally am. What are you trying to say? What's your point? I don't, you don't need to use slurs. I've just never been in a situation in my life where two different women have, based on just me sitting at the- Isn't that insane? Counter. They've been like- I went to a Mormon church. Would you like to go out on a date? I went to the Mormon church, they call it a ward, for multiple Sundays in a row. And every time I got asked out. The girls are a lot more direct in Utah. And they are beautiful. Everyone talks about that when they go to Utah. They're like, God, the girls are beautiful. They are. They're attractive. Why do all of my gay friends have stories like this? Don't know. I think you guys are doing it wrong. What are we doing wrong? I think that they can just tell that you're threatening us. We're just friendly. I just make it- What does that even mean? You're not as friendly as we are. Also, the gay diet in Utah is terrible. But I was just friendly and I'd say hi. And I was just treating them nicely. They're like, gosh, I want a guy that's just going to treat me nicely. So you get asked out. I've always found it really easy with women. I've always been asked out more by women than by men. Can I hard pivot a little bit? Yeah. Okay. French fries. Look, everyone knows you as a fashion icon. Everybody knows you as one of the kindest people on planet earth. That's very nice. But you're now an actor. Yeah. And in Deli Boy season one and season two, dare I say, you are unleashing your internal bagel bun. You are a absolute lunatic. Yeah. On camera. Did you channel Ben Kingsley in sex beast for that role? No, though Ben is an absolute icon. No. You're a scary level mob boss. I channeled my brother. Yeah. My eldest brother, who is the loony one in my family. He's wonderful. We're very close. I love him very much. But he was a very aggressive teenager and young man. Now he's just a family man, but he was a real tough guy. Constantly had fights, was always bloodied. My mom couldn't stand how difficult he was. He was just a very violent, violent guy. And all of his friends were very violent. And so getting ready for Deli Boys, at every challenge I thought, how would my brother do this? This is how my brother would do it. You and Purn are so great in the show. I love working with that woman so much. She was a good friend of mine before the show anyway. But getting to work with somebody you have such great chemistry with. Isn't she one of the most talented people on planet earth? Love that woman. Fucking hilarious, badass. Yeah. Charming, elegant. The most genuine. Yeah. Just a good egg. She's a scene stealer. I know. Both you and her are scene freaking stealers. Oh, thanks. I loved being in that show with her. So I love your perspective on this because you're someone who has seen South Asians represented in media. I think my Asian fellow artists in the U.K. Yeah. Had the ability to see brown people on screen way before I did in the U.S. in a more well-rounded way. I'll give you an example. Goodness gracious me. You had many different types of South Asian comedians, literally satirists, comedians, stand-up comics. There's actually multiple generations and sub-genres of comedians. And I'd love your thoughts on that coming up as an Asian person in the U.K. I mean, you've been in these iconic kind of comedies like Goodness Gracious Me. And now here we are in 2026 and you're starring in a South Asian show like Deli Boys. How does it make you feel? You know what? As in that it's such a fucking mind-blowing take. Well, you don't grow up watching Goodness Gracious Me? Yeah, I did. I watched it. Loved it. No, but to hear someone say you had such representation where I've always thought, where the fuck's representation? But the thought that you had less is insane to me. Yeah. Because there were like two shows, like you're right, there was Goodness Gracious Me. But it was a whole show and the whole cast was brown. Yeah. It was fucking awesome. But we had that once for like two seasons. And then it was like it lasted a year and we never saw it again. Like, but it's fascinating hearing your perspective, because I've always thought, where were we? Like, why were we never on TV? Other than that one show. I know we had. Do you know what East is East is? Of course. A movie. So for anyone who doesn't know, East is East. East is East. Bend It Like Back Up. There was a lot that shaped me. God, that's fascinating. Oh my God. They're like. Your take is so fucking wild. If you were to speak to any of the Brit, except for other than me, they'd have the same reaction saying, you think we were well represented? There were like five or six things within 20 years of my existence in England. Every time I saw one of those things, I felt so sexually thinking, okay, there is a space for us. We do get to be entertainers. Did you grow up on Bollywood? Of course. Okay. Did you like Bollywood? Yes. Okay. I was obsessed with Bollywood and I loved seeing very creative South Asians that really did something for me. And I just thought, I know we have it in us. Why aren't we doing more in Western television? The Brits that I know who are Asian, they all speak English. We all spoke English. Why couldn't we be on TV? Because we are just as talented and we speak the language. What's the issue? And so we had like, as you said, two or three shows out of the hundreds upon hundreds, if not thousands of shows, we had two or three shows. So your take is very interesting, but I will give you that. We did have a couple. And every time I saw them, I just thought, I love that we're making headway. However, I need you to remember and cast your mind back. Most of it was pushing against a stereotype or leaning into it. It just felt like when I watched the show, it was for me. That's how I felt. Yeah. Goodness gracious me was for me. It was for us. And it just gave me that feeling. Yeah. Yeah. You're absolutely right. And it was both like, whether you're in the group, whether you're out of the group, it was for us. And it was a huge inspiration then for my, I then had a sketch group called Goatface, which Asif was in. So it was me, Asif, Aristotle, who went on to go be on SNL, and Fahima, Anwar, and Goodness Gracious Me was a huge inspiration. Wow. Yes. Wow. Okay. It was iconic. Every Asian sat down, primetime television. We would all sit down with our silent roti. It was about eight o'clock at night and we would all watch. We always stayed home to watch. That's how big it was. But that's how important it was because it was the only show like it. And it was the only one we'd ever seen where we weren't just, it wasn't like Bend It Like Beckham, who just, they really pushed a stereotype. This is how our girls are. We're not allowed to do, they're not allowed to do this. They're not allowed to do that. They have arranged marriages. You can't be a lesbian. Just stereotypical, this is what Asians are. Whereas with Goodness Gracious Me, it was very clear. They were in on the joke. Even if it was a stereotype, they were making fun of the fact that this is a stereotype for our people. It felt very different. So Goodness Gracious Me is so different from the other things that we had. In chapter 16 of your memoir, you go off on these long rants about the difference between the United States and the UK. Do I? Gosh. Okay. Now, can you take us through some of these key differences? You go off about supermarkets and how different they are in the United States versus the United Kingdom. What's your issue with supermarkets? No, it's not my issue. I love American supermarkets. I go to the supermarket every day, almost every day. I don't think I've missed a day. Every time I'm home, I will go to the supermarket, even when I don't need anything. After 19 years, it's still a really fascinating cultural experience. I just find it so bizarre that you have a serial aisle. Yeah. There is a serial aisle. I'm aware. There's a bread aisle. For fake bread. It's not real bread. It's fake bread. Yeah. There's a bakery for real bread. And I know this. I used to work at Safeway. Not to brag, but I was an employee of the Vons supermarket chain. Wow. I was fired. Wow. Okay. But. Sounds about right. I worked there. And I'm aware of how crazy people can be. Yeah. At the grocery store. It's fast. American stores are fascinating. Have you ever been to a British grocery store? No. Smaller. Much smaller. Yeah. Even if we have massive ones. Yeah. It's not like we've got a whole aisle of that thing. There's just a lot more selection of other things. And so American grocery stores, they're just, everyone that comes here, my family does it also. When my family comes to Utah, every day they want to go and just look at the grocery store because it's so weird. I go to the grocery store and I have an amazing time at supermarkets, mainly because I don't have to work there. I walk in, it's fully air conditioned, I don't have to wear one of those goddamn aprons and they don't call me a courtesy clerk anymore. I go, I'm a free man, and you can't tell me to do jack shit. Also, the Safeway brand and the larger parent company, Vons, made you shave. You had to be freshly shaven every day. And it was fucking up my skin because I had acne. So I stopped doing it, and I got fired. So fuck them. Also, number three, they didn't have the new cart technology that could – now they have robots that bring the carts in. And it's like 108 degrees in Davis where I grew up during the summers. It gets so goddamn hot, and I would just get dehydrated. Oh, yeah. Because people are assholes. They fucking leave their carts in the middle of the goddamn street. That's also a problem with American grocery stores. In England, and I think this is the case in Europe, you have to pay for it, but you get it back when you bring it back. So we don't have that problem there. Yeah, people are maniacs. Yeah. Let's talk about debt. You had this huge rant about debt. Oh, yeah. What's your issue with debt? I mean, it's a very American thing. Yeah, and I'm very British even though I'm now American. I have a real – I have a real concern with debt in America. You can't – so you guys run on like a credit score system. Yeah. And I didn't know what that was. I was raised in a family where we weren't allowed credit. Like, I'm sure you know as Muslims that there's a really – Of course, yeah, cash only. Yeah. Yeah. Like, a lot of Muslims don't have mortgages. You will do like a rent-to-buy thing. So that was just the culture and religion I was raised in. And so we didn't have debt. Like, you'd have debt to – A family member. Like, you loan – like, we do something called committee, which is you'll loan each other money or you're all part of like this pot. But you don't owe a bank. Like, it's not like that. Where your house is getting foreclosed or they're taking the car. Yeah, we don't do that. And so when I was younger, if I couldn't afford something, I couldn't afford something. Like, up until the time when I became wealthy, when I had my businesses, if I couldn't afford it, I couldn't afford it. So I would watch people, my friends, watch people. Buy all these things and tell me, God, I've got like 20 grand's worth of credit card debt. And I'd be like, oh my God. You'd be sweating. Yeah, you'd have a full panic attack. I don't know how a person functions like that. How do you live your life knowing that you are in that position because you are buying stuff that you couldn't afford? It just – like, if you need it, I absolutely understand. I mean, the whole country runs on that. I know, I know. But I'm not talking about, well, I needed to pay my gas bill or my rent. That's different. If you need that, of course, I understand. That you have had to run up some debt. But when it's for just frivolous stuff, like, I've had friends who are like, I'm going to buy this new leather jacket. How much is it? $1,000. Don't you have $20,000 debt on your card? Yeah. It's 21. I'll figure it out. It's 21K. Oh, yeah, it makes me feel busy. You're being such an uncle about this. Debt is the most American thing. It's a very American concept. It's a very American thing. Or how about this? Brunches that take place afternoon. That's not brunch. That's lunch. That's lunch. Americans wanting to go for brunch at two or three. So whenever a friend says, do you want to go for brunch? Or I'm usually the one who always wants to go for brunch. Do you want to go to brunch? Yeah. Can we do it at two? No. That's lunch. That's lunch. Or dinner. Like, that's not brunch. No, no, no. It is brunch because here's what's happening. You're sleeping in and you're getting up at 11.30. Yeah. Then you're kind of like showering and putting about the house. Yeah. At lunchtime. Go. Maybe you have like a nice coffee. You have like a little bit of something to drink. But then around two o'clock you go, I'm hungry. Yeah. And I haven't eaten yet. And I want a meal. That's brunch. 2 p.m. brunch. 1 p.m. brunch. It's a very. You don't get to decide what you call that meal just because you woke up late. That's just a new name for sleeping in and then eating later. That's ludicrous. You would have your breakfast. Then your next meal would be. Why do we have to have labels about this? You know, in South Asian communities, we eat dinner late. Some people are like, this is late night. I'm like, this is dinner. We're having dinner at 10.30 p.m. And that's totally normal. No, that's a midnight snack. We're going to have Nahari at 10.30 p.m. You don't know. You might be at your popo's house. You might be at your khala's. You might be at your chachi's house. No, you can have that meal, but why would you rename the meal? Have that meal, but why are you calling it something it's not? It's not. Let me end with something that's very important. Very rarely do I get to sit across from a sartorial expert. From a style icon and from someone who also understands the South Asian body type. I recently caught a lot of flack. And by recently, I mean about four years ago. I caught a lot of flack when I made a comment in a GQ interview about trimming my body hair at hotels. I said, I like to trim my body hair at hotels the same way the United States treats its foreign policy in other countries. I'll go in there. I'll fuck some shit up. And then I'll walk out and act like it was never my problem to begin with. People in the comment section gave me fucking hell. I'm about to say something really controversial. Go ahead. I do exactly the same. I swear to God, I do exactly the same. I never trim my own body hair in my own home. The response I've gotten from my loved ones, specifically my wife, when I do it at home, to keep it tight for her. She's disgusted by it. So I go, you know what? I'm going to take this because I'm not going to. I'm not. I'm not going to. I'm not going to keep this. You're not going to go without. I'm not going to let go. Yeah, yeah, of course. I'm not going to turn into Saddam Hussein when they captured him. Yeah. I'm going to keep this all groomed and tight. Yeah. But I'm going to take this into the Hampton Inn. Yeah. I'm going to take this to the Best Western. Yeah, I'm not going to clog my own trains. Get out of here. But people in the comments are like, this guy's a fucking terrorist. This guy is a menace to society. And I had to respond and say, look, I leave a tip. I go, here's 20 bucks. I'm sorry. I thought everyone does that. Is it just us? It's us. It's just us. But the fact that you do it, Tan, this is a moment of liberation. I'm telling you, man, I've been living with this for years, thinking that I'm an asshole, thinking that I'm a menace to society. Okay, wait, just to make sure I'm understanding. I think clean it all. Yes. Like, kind of. Kind of is the, see, that's the word. See, that's the way you went like that. That's what it is. Yeah. So kind of. Wipe it up. Yeah. Take like, take. And here's what I'll do. Wet paper towels. A wet paper towel. Yeah. Exactly. Or wet tissues, yeah. So I'll double up a tissue. Same. So I'll do dry. Boom. That'll go, by the way, in the flush. Then I'll flush it down. In the toilet. That's exactly it. Yeah. Then I'll get it wet. And then. Yeah. But I am not doing a forensic deep dive. Of every single micro beard hair. That's what the cleaners are there for. I don't. Whoever's saying that this is wrong, go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself. Like, do not come for us. You don't know what it's like to deal with the body hair we have. Get out of it. There's nothing wrong with it. We're cleaning up. We're cleaning up. I started to feel so guilty. There was several moments in my life where I debated, should I go into my backyard and deal with this mess there? And I literally thought of the neighbors. That's exactly it. The answer is no. The answer is absolutely no. Why would you do it in your own home? Okay. Look. The most practical solution that I've gotten is do it in the bathtub. Yeah. Do it in the bathtub. At your home. At the hotel. And then you can turn the bath. But the problem is, is that. The difference. It's, it's hard to do beard without. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A mirror. Oh, I do it in the shower. I do everything in the shower. I do both. Okay. So I'm doing this over a sink. Okay. And then I'm doing other parts of the body. Still. You're wiping up. It's fine. They're the problem. Not I know. I know that we're not the problem here. I know for a fact, I don't care how many millions of you there are. You're the problem. Not us. Thank you. There's certain things that I will take the hit on. Not that. Not that. I'm a chic bitch. You can call me whatever you want. I am a chic bitch. Um, there's nothing trashy about me. That's just fine. Am I a chic? You're a chic bitch. Thank you. Thanks. I love you, boy. I love you, mate. Yeah. I want to see you more now. I'm going to see you more. Right away. No delay. Stop it. Make your daddy glad to have had such a blast.