Fantasy Football - Week 4 Matchups + Start/Sits, Wheel of Shame! - Podcast for 10/2

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Welcome in, $100 richer, you and me both brother, yeah well, welcome in Friday, October 2nd, Andy, Mike, and Jason, the fantasy footballers podcast, what a game though, it was a great game, it was a great, I mean, we did not expect a Browns Steelers great game, I'm going to tell you a secret, I don't always watch every minute of every game, you don't, but I did watch. every minute of last night's game, that's, that's, to see the angriest quarterback on earth, oh man, with the angriest head coach on earth, what a delight he is, there was incredible action, Jason, I believe conceded, oh, he could have, it was real early, after the first quarter, no, no, no, so the Steelers scored first, and then the Browns, it was a three and out, and then the longest drive in the history of the world, so then the Browns, they, they scored, and when the second Browns score happened, Jason sent me, $500 right then, and then I think hedged his bet, I, I knew very early, I mean, it was very clear, it was like, after that first two drives were over, the Browns, and that, that crowd, and the, just the, the vibe of every, I was like, oh, there's, there's no chance, so I go, and I make a very large bet on the Browns, send you the money, yes, and then get scared at the end, well, see, there's a problem, Jason does this frequently, where he sends me the money of a bet very early, because he knows that if he ends up winning the bet, I've got to double the money coming back. And it's very, like, for part of the game, I go, oh, I just got to send him his $100 back, I'm like, wait, no, that makes us even, I'd have to send him another $100, last two weeks, we've bet $100, and I'm $200 richer, so, you know. We should do this more often. We should do this more often, just hedge them, 27-24, look, say what you want about Deshaun Watson and Aaron Rodgers, one of these guys had more fun last night, one of these locker rooms, if you saw Todd Monken in the locker room, it was, they called it, they called him Chill Parcells, I mean, it, I like the nickname, but you're 3-1, and I, you're 3-1. The vibes were, the vibes were very high, especially, like, the celebration at the end. The camaraderie. I mean, they were, like, this was. Yeah, that was cool to see. That was a team, and it's like, dude, I mean, I'm happy for the team. I'm happy for the fans. There's so many guys on that team that are, that are fun, they're fun players, yeah, and the fans. My goodness, this is, no, of course not, this was, I saw something online before their last week. This week's victory, like, ticket prices for this game were, were just so low, they, you could just get them for free, and then, it turns out, after they won last week, and you got a primetime game, it was like, the cheapest ticket was 240 bucks, this, the city was, like, all in, and the Browns fans, they have just cared through all the crap, and so it's, it's nice to have them have some wins, and, and they've, like Mike said, yeah, they've got Voldemort. They also have a bunch of really great dudes over there. That we, you know, I mean, we all love, I mean, did Zell Boston, he's, he's, he's the dude. Yeah, he looks like the real deal. Fannin got into the end zone again. Judkins got into the end zone. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hey, Judkins? Oh, I'm sorry, Junkins. Junkins. Junkins. Man, when I heard it the first time, who was it? It was Kirk Herbstreet. Yes. So, so, Al Michaels, all of 99 years old of Al Michaels, can pronounce this man's name normally, and I heard it the first time, I'm like, that's funny. Yeah. I'm like, Junkins, Junkins is funny. Then I, then I hear it a second time, and I start talking about it on Slack, and then it's, then it's every time. Yeah. Always. I think, like, the, there was a collective of the entire world, like, huh, okay, he said it wrong the first time. Yeah. No, he's, he's definitely saying Junkins. He's saying Junkins. Are you guys, you guys are hearing him saying Junkins? I'm hearing Junkins. Yeah. Did I catch a Junkins? And Junkins, 17 for 53 and one. And then Mike starts throwing out the Junkin Jonah. Oh, yeah. America runs. America runs on Junkins. Cleveland runs on Junkin. Oh, man. In our Slack, and I'm like, ah, I think it's funny enough, so I throw that on Twitter. Oh, man. And then someone on Twitter got to the Junkin Jonah's joke, which I had already made, and I was like, okay, so we're not too deep. This is what we're made for here. Yes. Yeah. And Jalen Warren, big game. Hey, DK Metcalf, five for 115. Yeah. And was actually open. I mean, this is, the weird thing about Metcalf is that every week you get this amount of targets. You get nine to 10 targets every week. I also think the Roman Wilson thing is happening, and Michael Pittman. Because, I mean, you might as well drop him in a dynasty league. Out to pasture. I mean, this dude sucks. He caused an interception. He didn't run under the route. He didn't cause the interception. Aaron Rodgers. I think he was supposed to go underneath that route. But his arm was hit on the throw, and the ball was in a different spot than what it should have been. The one on the sideline? Because the interception I'm talking about is when it was an out route, and Denzel Ward picked it off. I don't remember who picked it off, but. I didn't think he got hit. I do remember at first, at one point, thinking, oh, he's going to be mad at Pittman, and then watching and seeing the arm get hit. I would like me to let you know, don't actually drop him in your dynasty leagues. But I bet if you did, it wouldn't matter. A reminder, he has a bad foot right now. I believe he has the. And what are these called? Well. The mitts? Yeah, I'm just saying, when you're running. Look, you've had plantar. You know what it feels like. That's true. Is that what he has? Yeah. So he is dealing with that. Look, you're a professional wide receiver. You've got to go out there, and you've got to make it happen. Just say he is not 100%, nor will he be 100%. I think Eli. I think Eli went through that at one point in time. Yes, he did. Yeah, I remember that. That's painful. All right. I'll give him a break. How about that? He's 28, so he should get back to form. What's wild is, like, this is the second straight game. Rodgers has been over 280 yards and had three touchdowns. If you started Aaron Rodgers in fantasy, you were thrilled. I mean, he's going to be probably a top five fantasy quarterback or near it, and that's disgusting. I was happy to see Junkins get into the end zone. That was a big deal. He really needed. I mean. He also caught six passes. That is everything. Because, honestly, 17 for 53 is, like, you're bailed out by the touchdown. 17 for 53 is not a good fantasy football game, but the fact that you got seven targets and then converted it into six for 43, and your quarterback is actually. He seems good. He's competent. He's playing well. He's playing well enough to, like, make these rookie wide receivers exciting. It's the wildest turnaround of what he was putting on the field. For two straight years, which was, he was, you could watch and be like, this is the worst quarterback. Yeah, that was not debatable. And it's like, you could be here if it was a neutral situation. You'd be like, well, this dude, he's coming back from an Achilles. I'm not surprised. A double. Yeah, it's not. I'm not surprised it took a couple games, but then you had the compounding effect of like how bad he was before the injury. Yeah. So I didn't think we'd be here. No, no, definitely not. So it like Denzel Boston is this is so exciting of APL. A player that, you know, on our dynasty pod, when you're trying to hit on prospects, it could be very difficult. And Denzel Boston, one in particular was like, I feel like Jason, we both had the same take and be like, this, it's not going to, this doesn't work. His, like his archetype, his skillset, like we've seen it. It doesn't work. And yet I'm just compelled. I'm in on the talent of Denzel Boston. He feels like a player that could work. Then he goes to the Browns and you're like, Oh, goal. Okay. Never mind. That is completely toast, but he looks like they're true wide receiver one over the first round. He does seem like the, especially for fantasy purposes, even if the targets like in this game, seven to eight conception had more targets, but for fantasy purposes, the, uh, the type of targets, the utilization, the downfield, the tackle, the touchdown, well, yeah, drops or just not. Jerry Judy, just appearing every once in a while on this offense is very funny to me just out of nowhere. And he gets all hype. So proud. He took a little crossing around six yards. And then he's like, it was a, it was a big catch in the moment, but it was like, Oh, there you are. It was a good game. It was. And the Browns are leading the division. Jerry Judy. This is, this is the best news in the world. Jerry Judy played 37% of snaps. You had conception and Boston playing 92 and 95%. That's their future. That's how they're playing. That's what I think everybody, you know, sometimes like, we're like, why aren't coaches doing this? You know, the, the fallacy of, of good coaching. It, it doesn't always happen, but it's like, yes, this is the way. Yeah. And it's nice to see him do it and succeed. Yeah. And on the other side, Roman Wilson looks good in the slot. He had a seam route. It was a good pass. Um, more opportunities coming for him. Also, Jalen Warren has been awesome. I feel like if they had tackle breaking machine. Yeah. I mean, he's just been so good. Look at all these players. We're talking about in this game. It was fun. It was a really good time. And it came down to the wire. Yep. And guess what? Jay. It's also Friday. Oh. Put clan Friday. Every Friday, we give a hundred dollar gift card away to fantasy champs.com. This week's winner from the foot clan community is, uh, St. Olaf, 1987, St. Olaf, 1987. Okay. Congratulations. You are this week's winner. Thank you for supporting the podcast over there. 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Let's talk news. news and notes from around the league you guys see this thing in deucer's alley that this is some breaking news yesterday there was kind of a lighting malfunction do you remember that yeah for part of the show and and uh unfortunately we had to have a real serious conversation around here and jason i can see you're almost tearing up yes um but we had to let josh be the big dog we put him in the captain we put him in the captaincy and so demoted yeah he's the william reicher role now um we've got uh are you doing okay with all this man i mean i know we kind of keep things public and uh i hate you you know what you know what i think you're right i actually feel bad now why don't you go on like a cruise for like a week you know what as soon as this show's over i'm out all right all right so papa josh in the driver's seat today and um yeah you're more like the the pilot like when they do the the pilot's training that's in there just in case something goes yeah or like the driver's ed i got the steering wheel over here you have a break over there in case of emergency yeah does it throw josh right out the door yeah it's an eject button his foot's real tired already all right the commander's officially ruled out jayden daniels for week four uh mike i kind of surprised you yesterday when i was like he hadn't been ruled out and they were talking about him possibly playing but he's not going to play this week he's wearing a brace he is not going to get surgery right now which uh i mean i don't know what has happened out there in like casual leagues but i can tell you that in our chopped league our swell was was 18 what are we down to now 16 seven or 15 one of y'all nerds dropped jayden daniels and i got him for like a decimal percentage when did this happen this week oh gosh so i had scooped him up that's wild make sure he's not on your waiver wire he might be jason mentioned rashad white the injury might be worse than we think he's still not practicing eckler was signed if we didn't mention that so rashad white is not looking great deandre swift this is wild added to the injury report on thursday knee injury didn't practice manung guy's practicing in full yeah i mean this is humongous because yeah manung guy uh could be a fantastic start this week if manung guy is by himself yep i mean he's very capable yeah very very capable against the jets at home i i mean i would expect a top 10 manung guy by himself over braylon allen in the same game for sure i would take the better offense the offensive line i think that i think that's close but i probably would if i had both of those guys mike got jayden daniels for five dollars in a thousand thousand dollar budget um but no no no all right bucky irving remain limited on thursday this is probably going to be okay i i think bucky's gonna play the matchup is pretty okay but you know there was talk this week about limited i mean not pretty okay it's really okay green bay can't play defense against right you have an undrafted free agent making his first career starts yeah and you don't know what the check down situation will be that was where bucky was making a lot of hay in the receiving game you also had conversations this week lies is another way to put them about sean tucker getting heavily involved oh that's right yeah but that man nobody nobody's been talked about getting involved more than sean tucker over the last five years yeah his career is being talked up i mean and and deservedly so because when when he gets the ball he does great things now don't give it to him right so weird but but he's all tuckered out oh nice and bucky's butthurt so okay we are on perfect form and i attribute this to our lead producer papa josh all right ram's wide receiver puka nukua remained limited on thursday with the hip and groin terrence ferguson did not practice he's not going to play parkinson's not going to play i am i'm still if ask me how scared i am how scared are you most scared you're the most i'm the most scared because i i've said this i'm not doing a thing trade-wise with puka until this week is over he might be completely fine i just believe that what he's dealing with is a high risk of showing itself this week now if he makes it through the week i'll feel great but this particular week i am scared yeah i mean and i wouldn't be trying to pick him up the on the cheap just yet the expectation is that he's going to play right now he's not practicing in full but that's what's being reported is he's expected to play that's not a guarantee yet it's listed hip hip slash groin man which is usually a core muscle injury a fear of sports hernia and the surgery with that we've talked about this a lot i'm on the side and and this is a huge risk but i feel like if you could trade cheap for nukua or you know it won't be it won't be cheap so are you willing to trade medium it's a league winning exactly i'm willing to take that chance and it sucks because you're you know if if it works like let's say it hits you make a medium bet and you you trade a a good player um you know that that can nab him drake london no uh i mean if for garrett wilson yeah yeah garrett oh man garrett wilson's a great example i mean i love garrett i want to put names to it because i want the gravity i want the gravity to be there yeah i mean that's a heavy bet if justin jefferson if i could turn like a like if you could turn tetero mcmillan and something or or t higgins t higgins is great here's what i don't think anyone will do that because i think anybody that drafted him drafted him in the top five top six and they're waiting to get their return on investment and they now have news that he's practicing i think it takes a drake london or a garrett wilson i think that's you could persuade somebody to stop dealing with that problem of not knowing now my theory speculation personal opinion is when you get a sports hernia or core muscle injury it's not season ending puka can come back but the more you delay surgery the longer it takes obviously they have playoff and super bowl aspirations i look at this week as like they're like the rubbers meet in the road now man like you get out there if you feel good and we're ready to go let's just go but it's time to draw a line in the air and we're ready to go let's just go let's just go let's just go let's just go it's time to draw a line in the sand if it doesn't go well this week have surgery have surgery get come back come back in four to six weeks i don't i think that's the time eight weeks i think it would probably be eight weeks but yeah i mean that's that's just fine for the rams but not for fantasy and part of the problem is is like puka has had and dealt with injuries that have lingered or you know it's not been he's not what he was injury prone wise but i just i'm concerned and it is a big bet so there you go we think he'll play breeze hall not playing so we'll get the uh and and kenyan sadiq dealing with a back injury uh limited on thursday we expect him to play because ad mitchell and mason taylor are also not playing so you you've got the same great opportunity that sadiq took advantage of last week as well as a good matchup so yeah i i really hope that uh really hope sadiq's fine you want to hear something bad no no okay then i'll tell you the good news uh nico still limited on thursday but maybe he could do it next week so we'll see what happens next week all right the bad news davante smith the eagles are planning to play without him and i've heard maybe more than one week i've seen the reports like he has not been ruled anything as of right now it's just everything that the reports are they're preparing to play without and there there there is another big piece of news and i'm going to talk about it now not later in case you you know you dip out of the show at some point lad mcconkie lad mcconkie has injured his foot he was seen limping out of the locker room he missed practice he has a foot injury you might ask yourself is the foot also the ribs no those are different and his ribs were the ones that were hurt i mean we can work it there yeah i mean if you if you kick somebody in the ribs your foot will hurt and their ribs will hurt but he's got both injuries now this is just you you're my guys man they're all dead the only one that wasn't dead was lad lad was the one that's like hanging on by a rib yeah and now it's like no we're not gonna we're gonna go foot now so stribbling lad caleb alec pierce my my fantasy mvp i'll cook it's impossible it's just irritating it's just the worst yeah so there you go davante smith you know we can we'll have start sit questions with don tavian wicks mckay lemon on the on the segment today and then mike evans still not practicing we'll see and uh travis h and jr placed on ir with his hamstring injury yep so far i don't know causation correlation so far etn has been better than h and yeah no you're not wrong etn jr better than h and the change has not been successful for him no his bank account did well with the h and i feel like he signed that as etn though yeah it was after he got that money no i accept your point he was like hey now i'm gonna have a press conference tell people it's it's h and it's like oh is it you're on ir so oh man we are doing well today how dare you tell people how to pronounce your name if you did he put a florida what is that thing called junkin florida lee florida lee did he put that next to junkins is outrageous man and it is now cleveland all i shall call him michaels was trying so hard to correct him like every time he would say junkins he'd be like yeah judkins judkins junkins junkin jonas junkin jonas all right we're taking a break we got the forecast and the rest of these matchups fantasy forecast presented by prize picks i feel like he's doing the uh the the bit the why am i talking why what way what way and then he came out of halftime and did it again right oh it was junkins the whole time how did we not fix it at halftime that's like that's a big deal because they're like kirk it's judkins you know what someone told me what i'm saying yeah junkins yeah that's that's exactly what it was what are you talking about yeah no i know yes i'm hitting the deep junkins which i think her street's an ohio state guy so this should be he said junkins for years is what i figured out but somebody did point out they said uh i'm glad you guys noticed that but um throughout the entire history of your show andy's been saying tyler lindenbaum instead of linderbaum i learned that last night okay so we fixed it uh that one person that wrote me you're very happy right now like with a chan like when we get corrected we try to fix it yeah we don't have someone say it the correct way into our face and we're like yeah i'm saying that jason charlie collard you know jason with mcdaniels and oh gosh that was hard uh matchups we covered yesterday colts commanders that's the london game patriots bills jets bears jags bangles the cat fight cardinals giants rams eagles packers buccaneers titans ravens cowboys texans uh it's six more matchups worth noting we covered the bears game yesterday but uh shepter this morning is saying he he thinks he doesn't have news because it's all secret but he believes it's going to be uh secret bagent man yeah i saw that as well at the quarterback position well and they're trying to keep it secret but then they said all the first team reps are going to him yeah well then that's not a secret i mean if all the first if we know all the first team reps are going they're going to the starter that's what we're gonna fake right hard to well think about thinking about ultimate confidence in yourself versus like your system and the plays in the practice versus not coming back i mean case keenum was dominant so it's just hard for me to see them not i mean we like we like secret bagent man we've always thought he was good they've paid him to be the backup he was the backup so i don't know i guess case health meter is only so big well i mean speaking of all of that we have that exact same thing with the miami dolphins now dolphins are oh and three minnesota three you know in minnesota good night um vegas line minnesota minus ten and a half sim two next week over under is 38 and a half the the implied point total from miami is 14 and listen the story of miami is this they had one good player and he's hurt now for the year yeah they had one good player yes i'm willing to say that they have none now there's no way that like i like chris bell we're not getting there you've seen the past completions malik willis has one passing touchdown in three games his prime time is in the game and he's in the game and he's in the game and he's in the game for malik willis is it's the lowest of the week it is 169 and a half passing yards and i don't know if i would take more or less and i don't i don't know if malik willis sucks or if malik willis would have done well if you put him in minnesota with jefferson addison hawkinson these dudes like i think there's a combo platter here of of not having established weapons caleb douglas is out you know it's just tough i think they they still have at least one good uh player i think that their rookie linebacker jacob rodriguez looks great oh thank you so there's there's quarterbacks there's tons of i think there's far more quarterbacks that if they're in the right situation they can just they can succeed it's like we've seen all of that with jalen hurts like you can't say he's a terrible quarterback i mean you can at this moment yeah but historically you're like two quarterback who went to the super bowl twice and won it once you're like he's terrible like that's a dumb argument you're like yeah but now watch him so i think malik willis is one of those guys he just was in a good situation with green bay the last couple years and they made him look like he could thrive in that situation it's not working here no and they at least through a couple weeks they have the cleanest path to get that first pick right now their schedule's brutal now in this game it's 10 and a half points i have very little confidence in minnesota's offense outside of handing the ball off to aaron jones and kind of having that work in this one because yeah miami can't stop running backs but the way they lose this game is simple it's he's just not having a passing offense is making mistakes at quarterback and let's say what's true i mean i don't think justin jefferson's going to be in this game if you are fighting an ankle injury he hasn't practiced and you're playing miami as a 10 and a half point favorite right now like if you want to give your star another week you sit him down so i i do have questions of whether minnesota will cover this but they might do it on the defensive side they might stop the dolphins and get some points on this on that side yeah so the the running back position ollie gordon was the the big talking point of waverday as hm went out and ollie gordon got a bajillion carries and a bajillion fab dollars spent on him we we talked about we like we broke down the situation saying sure he got all that work is he the guy i probably but do remember that jalen wright was listed ahead of him on the depth chart jalen wright was out of that game because he was injured all signs point to back this week and he still sits on top of the depth chart time out jaylen right now is the quote from their head coach jeff hayes so halfway today and in part of our analysis we're like he plays minnesota this week like it's bad for both it's really i know you're hoping that you buy volume but what level of uh like assurance or just any level of positivity are you think it's going to be ollie gordon on sunday are you going to play him against the vikings believing he will get 15 or more opportunities i just imagine that most people have a higher upside option to flex than ollie gordon and the hardest part is if you did spend 80 plus and fab you feel like you want to play him i don't think i mean you talked about junkins getting saved by a touchdown the ollie gordon stat line you're dreaming of right now is about 11 for 31 and a touchdown yeah and and it and it still could be jaylen right the if these two guys are splitting carries and the thing is it's more likely to have the long touchdown run uh the the the awful part of this is let's say their plan is to have one of these guys kind of carry the load and we don't know who it is let's say it's right what's the chance that against the minnesota vikings defense on the road in minnesota that it's going to go well that he's going to have a hot hand and at some point you go okay well let's try the other guy no matter who it is so this is a someone else uh i i would start jadarian price who's been you know struggling and bad uh obviously kyle manungai even if swift is playing i'd rather start manungai um looking woody marks is a player that i feel like against dallas i i feel like that's it that's the tier at least of this player sorry brooksie is saying we don't really have a ton of popular start sit questions with ollie gordon i imagine that the minnesota matchup is well no i'm just like if you spent and you picked them up you're not questioning it you're just going to put them out there so but you should question best well yeah you can you can argue that the vikings offense has been a worse offense than the dolphins by the way sure they have the lowest ever yards per play for a three and a team in history 4.3 59 of their drives have resulted in a punt and you don't have jefferson and after jefferson left last week outside of one bomb throw it was gross that's why my face lit up when you're like would you trade jefferson for puka yeah i know i'm like of course we that's a chance i would we still don't know we still don't know if if kyler and jefferson is going to work you see ian hardett's shout out to uh the great ian hardett yeah he's always got good good tweets and stuff um kevin o'connell has coached 73 games in the nfl as the head coach of the vikings not not one time has anybody had a worst single game passing success rate than kyler murray last week it was the single worst single game passing success rate performance at quarterback he's ever had and he's had tons of backups that would include games with jj mccarthy then that if i'm not mistaken brother that would include games with maximus brosmer oh my god listen you look this is the match we have been here we've watched it we tried to tell you i hope it improves this mario the matchup over tyler oh yeah this is the matchup to have it improve i mean especially if you're talking fantasy kyler murray is a guy that i think people are starting this week oh gosh he's mobile he's on the ground he's against the dolphins he's on the ground physically he's very very close addison had nine targets some deep targets he caught one he caught a touchdown player in jones where where are you playing play addison okay and play other players in other games i lean that way as well so yeah and don't mess around with wide receivers from miami in this matchup it would be one if chris bell gets eight more targets this week you know and he catches three of them which is the most likely outcome you can you can think about them in future weeks kansas city's three and they take on the i'm sorry they take on andy's las vegas raiders that's what it's in the show doc wait a minute oh i love it i love it and by the way it's uh it's in las vegas vegas line kansas city minus four and a half oh you're doing it on andy's almost upset of the week Riding the silver wave, boys. Grab your board. If the Raiders win that game and are 4-0, beating the division also leading Kansas City Chiefs, wow. This is a battle for first place, Jay. Like you said, Mahomes has never lost on the road to the Raiders ever. So that's cool. The pass rush, the secondary, the number one fantasy defense right now in football is the Raiders. That's as far as the defense scoring fantasy points. Correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think that they're like anybody would argue that they're the very best. No, they're not a shutdown defense. They're playing much better than they were last year. Third against wide receivers. Tenth against running backs. The tight end position, which, you know, the Chiefs, their top target is really Travis Kelsey. So that's an area where the Raiders have been beat. But I think it'll be a fun one. I really do. You know, you start the big boys in this one. You start Kenneth Walker, Rashi Rice. Yeah, I think you're playing him. If you've been playing him, Jinty and Brock Bowers, Bowers looks unguardable. That'll be a challenge for the Chiefs. You know, that's an area where, you know, they're willing to stay with the running game with Jinty no matter what. It's not, you know, and Kubiak, who we love, like he's unwilling to relent from giving those carries because he understands, and he did it last year, even inefficiently, right? He liked Charbonnet, and Charbonnet wasn't productive, but it unlocks parts of your offense. That is a philosophy that a lot of offensive coordinators have, is it's just where you keep linebackers, how many people are in the box, how you think about the offense. But Kirk Cousins right now tied with Purdy for league lead in touchdowns. Anybody else? I mean, are you excited to see what happens? I am. I'm very excited to watch this game. If this was in Kansas City, I wouldn't have pushed that button. No, I mean, this is an exciting game. There's a lot of fantasy assets. This will be the real test. I mean, being a divisional matchup, they're prepared for each other very well. And you've seen Max Crosby just be an absolute terror so far through three weeks. Now he's going to have to see what he can do about Mahomes. I think this game comes down to Kenneth Walker. Can the Raiders shut down Kenneth Walker or not? And that will be the test. They're top 10 against running backs, but they haven't been like some impossible-to-run-on team. I just love these stories. I really do. Whether it's the Saints, the Browns, the Raiders, they're fun. You have an off-season of speculating and believing and seeing Vegas predictions on who wins divisions and how many wins they're going to have. I mean, what was the Vegas win total? Four and a half? What's funny is when you look at teams every year, we talk about it in the off-season, we picked our teams that go from worst to first in the division. Basically, every single time that happens, there is usually a coordinator, whoever the offensive line is, head coach, or coordinator shift. And oftentimes, it's that rookie quarterback, that new young quarterback coming in. And you look at the Raiders and you're like, oh, Fernando Mendoza, maybe we picked them to be the surprise. It's like, no. It's Kirk Cousins. It's Captain Kirk. So I don't know if there's big start-set decisions in this one other than like the kind of deep league emergency flexes of the Trey Tuckers of the world. But I think it's pretty straightforward fantasy-wise, don't you? Yeah. The Trey Tuckers. The Trey Tucker's been fine in terms of a flex play. Would try to find somebody else. Would try. Are we feeling good about Rushie Rice? Yeah. Getting up and his targets have gone up and up and up so far. I feel fine. I mean, if you had to predict his fantasy finish the rest of the way, I'd probably be at about wide receiver 24, 20 to 24, which is not what you might have hoped for, but. Still usable. I still think they're going to add a wide receiver at some point. Via Trey. Or via Tyreek. Denver, 2-1, taking on the 3-0 San Francisco 49ers in San Francisco. 49ers are three-point favorites. The over-under here, 47-and-a-half. I think there's a lot of question marks in this game. This one's not cut and dry at all. And, you know, the 49ers are dominating on the offensive side of the football. We talked about Purdy. He's leading the league in touchdown passes. McCaffrey, of course, you play him. What's your thoughts on, like, the, you know, is McCaffrey what you thought he'd be so far? I mean, he is performing. Yeah, he is. Running back seven on the year? I think he is. Running back four with 20 points against Miami, another 20 points against Arizona. Used to have the weird start with the Rams, especially with the snaps. That was, I think. He had the cramps, right? Yes, yeah, yeah. He reportedly had cramps that he was playing through, and they were beating the crap out of the Rams, and the rookie got on the field. More than we expected. If you're disappointed in McCaffrey right now, you're just letting week one be imprinted on you. He's been great for fantasy. He's going to be awesome against Denver, who has a run funnel. They, like, as great as their defense is, they just, against running backs right now, they are 28th in giving up fantasy points. It's a runnel, for short. Maybe it's not. I was leaving it up to the jury. Oh, I'm sorry, man. The people. He'll keep saying funnel. I got you. Yeah. We're back to the run funnel. You're playing McCaffrey. Yes. But I'm just saying, you should not be disappointed. And honestly, I mean, we saw last year, even when he was inefficient, the loss of the wide receivers around him, it just meant they use him more and more and more. We don't know the health of Mike Evans. He didn't practice on Wednesday or Thursday with the rib injury. He still might go. And I think if he does, you probably just keep playing him. Play him when he plays through injury. But there's a chance he sits. Brandon Cooks has been elevated to the active roster for this time. That's not a good sign. It feels like they have an infinite supply of like has-beens that they can yoink up to the starting roster. Infinite supply of last man up. I mean, play Debo. Dante Pettis? Yeah, he joined. Yeah. Former my guy for a minute. Debo is a play. The amount of volume, like he's only averaging 18 routes per game because of how San Francisco is playing right now. I don't love it. Like, I mean, it's a better option. I will admit. But League of Record, like I got Debo on the bench because I happen to have Braylon Allen as the replacement. But he's desperate. I would play him above like the Trey Tucker we just talked about. But confidence is not high. He was the last man standing, came through with a big fantasy day, and yet had no catches technically. He had one play. Yeah, which was weird. Like how do you have Debo out there as the only guy? Kittle should just keep getting better. Oh, goodness. Kittle's going to be good. George Kittle is awesome. So on the other side, though, I have my questions around the Jalen Waddell confidence level. Price Picks has him at six and a half targets, 56 and a half receiving yards. He is leading the team in first read target share. But if you've played Jalen Waddell thus far this year, you were happy one third of the time. The last two weeks was. I play Waddell over Debo. Yeah, I would as well. It's crazy. Do you know his receiving yards in two of his games was two and ten? Two and ten. I just don't like. I just didn't think that, you know, we could get to the point with this team where. You know, you could have two games like that. Yeah. Waddell's that uninvolved. Agreed. That's crazy. That is crazy. It was Kansas City and the Rams. Tough matchups. I feel like. He's supposed to be really good about the football. Yeah, I am fine playing Waddell. I'm actually. I think he's going to have a very good game this week. Yeah, I mean, I play him over Debo. I agree with that. I. Would you play? I would play him or burden. I would play Waddell. I mean, this is not an easy matchup. I think burden might be safer. They still can't run the football and we'd be sitting here saying, hey, Jonah Coleman, can you fix that for him? But he's on IR Dobbins averaging three and a half a carry. Denver averaging 81 rushing yards a game. That's 31st in the NFL. The conglomerate of Dobbins, Harvey and company, but day. It's not getting it done to the degree that you are getting a lot of viable fantasy value. No. I think that this matchup is a little bit, a little bit of a lie. When you look at, you know, the current season stats that the 49ers have put up, their defense has been great, but you know, it's like the, you know, you got to remember they, there was that weird Australia game where the Rams just didn't show up. Obviously the Rams are much better than that. Maybe it's all credit to the 49ers defense. But then after that, it was the Miami dolphins and the Arizona Cardinals and the Arizona Cardinals put up 30 points on them. So this defense is pretty injured. And I just. I wouldn't think three weeks. And we talk about, we want to have one more week before we know what defenses are. What I think the, I think the Denver Broncos are going to. Yeah. I think we said that on the foot cast yesterday that we, I think we'd feel more comfortable. We're getting that data in, but I think four weeks is where we really want to be to let those outlier games, not weigh so heavily. So we were a defense. You kind of targeted. Yeah. All right. We'll take a break and we'll talk America's team, the chargers. The beat goes on for Los Angeles and the charger fans who are Owen three and get the privilege of traveling to Seattle to take on the defending champions in their building coming off a loss. Oh boy. Vegas has the line Seattle minus seven over under 42 and a half. That's a small implied point total for the chargers. who might literally be without the only player that has made Many of their passing downs look important. If Ladd is hurt, and even if he's active, he's hurt. I don't imagine the Chargers offense doing very much. I was okay with Hampton in this. We had a bunch of questions through the week of, like, this guy or Hampton, and I was Hampton on most of them. The Ladd foot injury really is a big problem because when Ladd hasn't been out there, this offense has not been able to move the ball. This is a tough matchup on the road against Seattle. There's one player I'm paying close attention to this week because I believe the frustrations around Quentin Johnston are starting to bubble over to opportunities, and last week Trey Harris did make a splash, 6 for 76. If you're talking about Quentin Johnston having his challenges and then Ladd being off the field and this team potentially losing in this game, that's a situation I'd be paying attention to. I think Trey Harris could be moving into a more prominent role. Yeah, he's good. I think he's worth a speculation stash for the weekend. But, Mike, your view of Hampton versus Braylon Allen? I would play Braylon Allen. Hampton versus Bill against Indianapolis in that defense? Oh, man. Bill with no Rashad White and Eckler fresh off of the street. I don't even know if Eckler's going to be active. David Montgomery against Dallas or Mr. Hampton? The matchup of Montgomery. Montgomery is really good. Blarf. That one I think I'm willing to go Hampton. Darnold is my start of the week on the other side of the football here. The Jedarian Price experiment for fantasy has been rough, but this week, you know, you look at the situation and you still think he's going to get a lot of snaps. He didn't practice on Thursday. Yeah, I know. With the chest in. I know. I'm just saying if he's active. Like, Charbs is not going to be active. No, no, no, not yet. And Salami and Emmanuel Wilson, we'll see. We'll see. I mean, if Price was out, all of a sudden, Emmanuel Wilson is a smash start, right? Absolute disgusting. Yeah, I mean, when you say smash start, he could be awesome for fantasy the same way Charbonnet was, but it's like, then they'll just split him and Salami for sure. They're not going to have a single back. I feel like if. Sounds like a good sandwich. Yeah, it does. A split Salami. A split Salami sandwich. They had the game where Wilson just took over the fourth quarter. And Lonnie feels far more like the, like, if we're going to pass or we got to catch up, we're going to get some targets to George. He just feels like extra snap guy. But when they're just, if they're going to salt the game away, if Price is out, I'm open to playing Emmanuel Wilson. Not George. Yeah, not George. All right. Sunday night football, guys. If you thought you only had one catfight this week, you were wrong. Catfight 2.0. Lions. Panthers. Lions 2 and 1. Panthers 1 and 2. This is the first week in NFL history where we've had all four feline football teams face each other. Yeah. Shout out to Kyle for that incredible step. We have had 78 catfight games, though, in NFL history between two cat teams. Just so you, for those keeping track, which is none of you. How are, Kyle, historically, cats versus birds? Look into it. Look into it. Look into it. The people need to know. Honestly, most dominant animal that at least has two teams representing it. What is it? The Lions are 2 and 1. Panthers are 1 and 2. It's in Carolina. Detroit minus 3 and a half. Over-under 50 and a half. 68% chance of rain in this one, but the over-under is still 50.5. Two mile an hour winds projected. It should be okay. Yeah. I feel like there's a wind amount that you shouldn't report. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. But if there's a storm, you want to report that you don't have to worry about the wind. I just don't think anyone should know that it's two mile an hour winds. My point is it's not. It's not. It should just be called breezy. 15 mile an hour winds. Because that's where, you know, when it's rainy, oftentimes that comes with the wind. This one does not. Right. Mike, you want to report this news? Well, Kyle hasn't confirmed it yet. Well, the report we're seeing is that birds lead cats 2.34, 2.29, and 10. That's pretty dominant. No, it isn't. That's five more winds. Oh, I thought it was 3.34. That'd be a lot more. Dominant. Than 2.34? I mean, the birds and cats, there'd be 100 more. The birds and cats are really close. This game right now, I'm just excited for it, ultimately. Yes. Oh, my gosh. Kyle's giving me lion versus panther stats. I mean, I don't need this, man. We know the lion's going to win this thing. Panther's got nothing on it. You give me panther versus jaguar, maybe you got a battle. Yeah. But lions? The king? Yeah. All right. Are there any mascots that would beat the lion? Bears. Wait, are we talking- A lion and a bear? You think a bear would win? I don't know. Are we talking the actual mascots? Yes, there's lots of those. No, not- Like giants. Giants could do well. Giants and titans are going to dominate. Giants and titans have got some lightning in there from the chargers. That probably takes them out. We don't need to open this game. Yeah, we've done this on the spitballers. All right. Bryce Young, it is a good matchup. He is leading the NFL in passing yards still. It was not a great week. Yes. You can do all the good stuff about Bryce Young. You say, but- I mean, last week was rough. We saw him last week. But Coker went out in that game. I don't know. And is Coker going to play? And the Browns are- I mean, look at the Browns. They're okay defensively. Jalen Coker's practice reports this week have been ridiculous. Because it's like, hey, we've seen him there. Defensively. He's appearing in practice. You're like, oh, no, but he's limited. He's just doing individual stuff. You're like, no, he's not even doing individual stuff. I don't know what's going on with Jalen Coker. I don't think he's playing. We like the consolidation. Jason has Tett as a start of the week. I got Waller as a start of the week at tight end. Yeah, I mean, you're going to end up throwing a lot on the Lions. A great pass rush with Hutchinson. But they end up scoring a lot of points and needing to be thrown on and being able to be thrown on. They're 32nd against quarterbacks, 32nd against tight ends, 29th against wide receivers so far through three weeks of fantasy points given up. So there's a reason there's a high over-under on this game and you want players in it. Yeah, you also have a Panthers defense who's been great against wide receivers but now has more injuries in the secondary. So, again, it's only three weeks in. So I think the big question mark, you're not doubting the big boy. It's Gibbs and Amon Ra every week always. Laporta, I think you're fine with. It's the do you want to start Jamison Williams. Are you willing to start Jamison Williams? And I find myself kind of just not expecting a lot when I put him out there right now. Jamison Williams or Luther Burden? I'd probably try Luther personally against the Jets. I mean, Jamo's been bad, man. Jamison Williams or a Jefferson-less Vikings and you play Jordan Addison? I'd play Addison. Addison, you can jump in. Right now, Jamo's on pace for 56 catches for 719 yards. Yeah, it's tough. I mean, it's tough when it's three in a row, but this is also kind of what Jamison Williams has done for an entire career. It's just he disappears, disappears, disappears. Do you play those guys in plus matchups then? Is that what you do is never miss out on a plus matchup for the volatile? Yeah, I mean, Jamison, he's shown that it doesn't matter. Whenever you think you could start him, you can't. And if you don't think you could start him, you should. So start him. Tell no one. Yeah, those options you gave me, Mike, I like them a little bit more. Suspect hands, that might be a little damp. Yeah. I think I would go Waddle and Burden, but I would play Jamison over Debo. Are you playing Waller over Isaiah Likely, Tucker Craft? Over Likely, yes, because I want to see a regular game script with Jamison, what actually happens. Tucker Craft, I'll play him. Craft got eight targets, played all the snaps. You've got to keep playing Craft. I can tell you, I mean, I have these two guys. I have Craft in the lineup. Okay. The fact that there could be some rain in this one, and I feel like Waller is still super touchdown dependent, has me on the Craft side. But he is my start of the week, so I think that he will get targets with no Coker. We'll see. Atlanta. When Coker left, the targets did not go to Tedderow and McMillan. They went to Darren Waller. Yeah, they did. And the snap counts have gone up. For him, 35%, 44%, 51% through the three weeks. Oh, man, these trends. Atlanta 1-2. Mike's New Orleans Saints at 1-2. That's right. Vegas line, New Orleans minus 2.5. They're at home in the Dome. I just need my team to finish. Yeah, the over-under here, 47.5. I mean, the Saints don't feel like a 1-2 team. No. They've been in every game last week against Andy's Raiders. Yeah. That was exciting and fun. They beat the Ravens on the road. They almost beat the Lions on the road. They've been very, very good. I'm surprised this is only a 2.5-point line. See, I'm completely opposite. Really? Yeah, I think Atlanta wins this ballgame. Wow. Why? I hate to say that because the Atlanta Falcons. Well, I think the Kansas City Chiefs beat your Raiders, so take that. Okay, took it personally. The reason being, Jason, is that the Falcons, we have one game. One game of action. They had actual, genuine, reliable data on them, and they beat the Packers 35-14. And it was in Green Bay. So they went on the road and beat an offense, shut down an offense that we thought would be a lot better than that. 14 points. So I think the Falcons are a little reborn under Michael Pinnock's. I think it will be a battle. I think the line, I'd probably throw it as more of a coin flip. But I do think it'll be fun. I mean, I cannot wait for this game. This is awesome. I mean, we saw a very impressive, offensive performance from, what, almost two 200-yard players? in London and Bijon with Michael Penix. This should be really funny. There's nothing I'm scared about from the Saints' defense. I'm not benching or worried about any offensive players other than Kyle Pupu. How far down does Kyle Pupu go? As far down as the toilet drain goes. Wow. Until we get something. Do you want one? I got you. Go for it. A man who currently is, I mean, commanding a 19% target share. His name is TJ Hawkinson, who is in a plus matchup. I mean. I bring him up because I have him one spot ahead of Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts has scored zero points, two points, and one point. The only thing that matters is the last 20 receiving yards. yeah the only thing that matters is the last game you're gonna throw those first two out just like Yeah, the only thing that matters is the last 20 receiving yards. you said that we but the last game go was one point and we've seen with uh kyle sits man yeah we we have seen games last year yeah you gotta be careful hold on this was give me the spotlight again oh no i mean it's the pit story i left him out uh just i want to include him i'm sorry i apologize for a few players i'm sorry about this one i'm an idiot kyle pitts is not good enough that is all we now return to your regular who's good enough joan johnson is devon bailey is chris olave is and the report yesterday which is you know how i expected to go not effective but it's going to be what happens alvin alvin camara is supposed to quote carry the load for this offense yes and i agree that that will be the plan the falcons are actually quite good up front against running backs right now running the running back position is averaging 10 and a half points against the the falcons camara i think is an okay volume play because he's that's not he's not a traditional running back but i do think that kendray miller should be on the bench of all 12 team rosters yeah i mean you could say that camara is going to carry the load and then you could make a decision when it's not working to go change it but jason your start of the week shuck daddy himself oh yes yes i think this game i'm not anti-saints by the way i just think it's gonna i know i think it's gonna be a sick awesome monday night divisional battle you have crazy talent on both sides of the ball here big plays yeah i'm excited i expect this game to hit the over and be a a really fun game so i want pieces in it i mean obviously the pieces are pretty easy the the biggest question of do i start or not is really just the camara kindred miller saints running game is anybody good enough to start this is not a plus matchup camara or david montgomery i'll go montgomery i know you would i'm andy if i'm half or full give me camara give me camara i I'm grossed out by Montgomery right now. I'm not sure what he has. We did see an update on, I think it came from Coach, right, from Kellen Moore, that he doesn't expect Jordan Tyson to start practicing next week. That's the earliest he could have his practice window open and they're not expecting him to practice. He's on that short-term IR, which is you have to miss four weeks, you can't do anything, but your practice window, they could open it up. This was always what I actually expected. But it seems like it won't open yet. You only have certain options on IR, and when he hurt the hamstring for a second time, and he had already been out an extended period of time, and then he hurt it at ASU, and none of it was four weeks. You know what I mean? None of it was like a quick turnaround. So that's where my hesitation has been on Tyson is that as a team that's performing well on the offensive side of the ball already, right, like Tyler Shuck's doing good things, leads the NFL in dropbacks, completion of pass attempts, you take time on your rookie to make sure you don't re-injure the thing he's been hurt three times in a row on. Yeah, I do agree. But injury updates, Devontae Smith not seen practicing on Friday. He's almost certainly not playing. Now, DeAndre Swift, though, is expected to practice on Friday, so there's a little update for you. That's big news in case you thought you had Mnangai by himself, which we talked about at the top. And then Terry McLaurin popped up on the injury report with a hamstring for the first time. Rashad White listed as out officially for week four. If Terry McLaurin is considered more limited, I'm perfectly fine putting Stephon Diggs back out there. Jason Diggs is a fantastic start if he's by himself. Yeah, targets will be there. Into the face-off we go. Fantasy Face-Off, presented by PrizePix. Well, let's start this segment by saying that, once again, amazingly, incredibly, unpredictably, Jason has whiffed on the easy Green Goblin pick each week. The Green Goblin. It's been my nemesis. I can hit all the hard ones. I can't get the goblins. Granted, I wasn't the loser this week. Yeah, I don't know. I appreciate you trying to shield me from some protection. My picks were bad last week. I didn't hit my goblin. No, so we have a will of shame, and it's not Jason, and it's not me. Take that spin. wheel of shame all right give me the wheel spin it spin that shameful wheel my yeah it's deserved uh let's see we got pigskin blitz breath punt goblin dumb cluck careful with that whoa so then i'm sitting in the cluck chair oh very nice okay all right i guess that's true we took it easy on you this week mike yeah you got a big head this isn't getting on oh dude seriously you could do it oh this is tough yeah you're fine you got a whole face hole yeah you can breathe and everything getting it off you guys wear this is this is taking it light i appreciate it yeah but we're gonna need the jaws of life to get this that's true yeah once it's over the the jaw can't come off all right we are jumping into week four my quarterback this week is my green goblin bryce young in that sunday night football game 179.5 passing yards i am taking the more you're gonna need to throw to keep up with the lions i don't care about the rain okay i hope you don't Because now I'm rooting for Reign. I didn't care about the Reign with my Jameis pick last week until Sunday showed up and I went, I very much care about this Reign. I am going to. There was a lot of Jameis in there, too. For my quarterback, I'm going with Lamar Jackson. Okay. And I think that the Baltimore Ravens have an easy road ahead against Tennessee. I am taking less than 27 and a half pass attempts. That seems like – that's not a green goblin. It is not a green goblin. No, I think that's a good one. Don't think that he's going to have to throw the ball. I thought about the less on his actual passing yards. Yeah. So, I'm just purely curious now that you mentioned it, what his pass attempts have been, 25, 31, and 20. So, he was already under that number. Yeah. Interesting. I think that's a great pick. Yeah. I'm going to go with C.J. Stroud. Oh, yeah. Against the Dallas Cowboys because I don't believe in David Montgomery or the running game for Houston. 242.5 passing yards for Stroud. I'll take the more. Nico. Yeah, and Nico back. Hopefully, yeah. We're moving to running back. I am going to – the number went up just a little bit this morning, but I stuck with it. Aaron Jones, Minnesota running back, who's got all the work. I'm taking 66.5 rushing yards, and I am taking the more on that one. It makes sense. I think you're going to break off a couple runs and be there in a jiffy and be in the lead. That does make sense. I have bad news for both of you guys. Uh-oh. Is this your Green Goblin? This is my Green Goblin. Oh, no. This must be a player we care about. It's a player you guys like. Oh, my God. Yeah, the only thing that matters is the last 20 receiving yards. Oh, my God. of crossover, he's like, it's cool. correlated yeah those are those pretty correlated we need our listeners to get the same number all right and that's at 66 which i gave him permission to move this morning i do i do like taking and i got in at the same time as you brother that's on me my fault and yes andy had it in at the same time i apologize for my underling oh okay this is why you got demoted josh sees everything he would have told me all right 66 and a half aaron jones is where we're at there my wide receiver guys with protest sure yeah whatever i mean if you want to if you want to argue with them and move me back to 64 and a half i'm i'm just saying if we get 65 i'm gonna be upset oh there will be riots quinton johnston oh huge i'm gonna guess less but i'm going receptions of course i think they're gonna make the move out of quinton this week now maybe the lab thing is gonna blow this up on me less than three i mean oh that's dangerous yeah that takes normally nine targets to get that's dangerous yeah i was gonna say it's not it's not targets he's got to catch it in order to uh count against that that statistic uh my wide receiver dj more more than 46 and a half receiving yards all right he's been there wide receiver one i expect him to continue i've got michael jerry rice wilson oh man 57 and a half receiving yards that's a good one i like it i will take the more all right tight end to close it out tyler warren i'm taking are you joking no 45 and a half receiving yards i'm taking the more okay my this is your reception one this is my green goblin oh three and a half yeah i mean well there you go i hope that three and a half adds up to 46 yeah put me up for me i'm going with the player i think i've gone with every single week and hit every single week and they are not adjusting it enough thank you do not continue to uh make poor projections for darren waller darren waller more than 27 and a half receiving yards okay that has gone up i think it was like 17 week one or something but that was fantasy face-off presented by prize picks download it today and follow our account at the f of ballers because we'll be dropping our fantasy football player pack lineup every week in the app prize picks run your game we'll see who gets shamed next week i know i will only be able to dodge it for so long but it has been nice to watch you guys look stupid for a few minutes to start the season that is going to do it for today's episode a quick reminder head over to youtube and make sure you are subscribing and click that bell because every sunday an hour before kickoff this guy this is how we wanted this guy will be live you want you want super serious hard-hitting facts and analysis that's it sunday live sunday live i'll be there youtube.com slash the fantasy footballers that is gonna do it for the browns bros and jason we say goodbye but we will be back with you like i said sunday live and then checking in on monday next week enjoy the weekend enjoy the game goodbye thank you for listening to another episode of the fantasy footballers podcast join our fantasy football community on join the foot.com and follow us on twitter at the ff ballers