Speaker 1Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.
Speaker 2Welcome in, I think you saved it a little bit, I think I was a little late to the party
Speaker 3mentally there.
Speaker 2Welcome into the show. Welcome in. Tuesday, August 11th, the fantasy footballers podcast back with you.
Speaker 3Supposed to be pumping the people up, not bringing them down. This isn't an ASMR sleepy time podcast.
Speaker 2Well, maybe if somebody. Said it was football time every once in a while, we'd all be energized. Give us a little, a little bump. It's not football time, but it was on the hall of fame game, man.
Speaker 4It turned into some pretty darn good football, but here's the thing.
Speaker 2The hall of fame game had more viewers than the highest rated NHL game last year. I think. Yeah.
Speaker 3Get wrecked hockey. But here's the thing. Had I said it's football time. And then. Carson Beck goes out and lays an absolute stinker. I mean, it's football time. You just don't know your football. We knew that was coming. Yeah, you don't know your football. Jason and I knew. You don't know your football, Mike. I apologize. Jason and I knew what was going to happen. I knew that Carson Beck could see all. We did talk about the field vision.
Speaker 5But he, maybe that makes the no look.
Speaker 3Oh, that was a look. Yeah, that was a, he was staring him down. What the DBs don't realize is he had fully tipped exactly where that ball was going to go. Yes.
Speaker 4What do we got? You just got to, you got to look because he cuts his visor really wide.
Speaker 2I know. I'm looking at this black shirt crew, the triple black shirt. We wear hats, triple hats today. Uh, deuces back there. There's one hat too.
Speaker 4Oh, there's no, there's one hat too few. There's one hat too few back there. I tried on a hat yesterday and you guys picked on me. So that's because you picked the hat. He's also the only one without a black shirt, dude. I mean, genuinely, you pick hats like that boy from the sandlot. Like the, oh man, I, what, you know, you don't know.
Speaker 5I don't get the flat dad hat.
Speaker 4Yeah. The sandlot where it's, the kid is like, you know, Benny comes and he saves him. He's like, dude, don't wear that hat. You can't, you can't wear that. I kind of remember that one.
Speaker 5He put a washcloth on his head. I mean, I got to go back.
Speaker 3Not much different. I haven't visited the sandlot in probably two decades. Oh man, brother. It's bad. Oh, that's a big bill. What is happening?
Speaker 5That's a huge bill. We have performance. Climbers on today's show, by the way, barely any news. I'm just going to, I'm going to skip the segment and just give it to you real quick. And then we're going to jump into running back rankings. Yeah. There's no news. Nothing to see here. Oh no. Wait, what, what is that?
Speaker 3That's the liar lying pants. No, no, there's no, the news. You're right. Don't even worry about that news section.
Speaker 5Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3What is, what is it? Just hit the button and.
Speaker 4Oh, you saying the Christian McCaffrey part?
Speaker 5No.
Speaker 3What is, there's no news.
Speaker 4It's, it's two of them.
Speaker 3We have to announce. There's no news.
Speaker 5Something's first. Because it is that time of year. We are going to do a UDK for life giveaway. This is your one chance a year to pick up. For life. The UDK for the rest of your, your natural life. I know we've had debates on bequeathing. Like once you pass, can you give your UDK life away to somebody else? I don't know. I think we kind of shut that down before. I'm willing to open that up.
Speaker 4I'm opening it up, but it has to be, it has to be. In a will. Yeah, it has to be in a will. And some kind of, you know, we're not, we're not going to court here. Yeah. No probate. No. No way. Never through probate.
Speaker 5But if you pick up the UDK or an ultimate Foot Clan membership before we do our live stream, which will be August 24th, you will be entered to win the UDK for life and a signed Jamar Chase jersey.
Speaker 4It is pretty cool. I know obviously everyone wants a UDK forever. That's awesome. If you get the ultimate Foot Clan membership, we're going to have the, uh, the Megaloballs coming soon. We're not opening that up yet. It's not announced, but you're going to want to play in that. So get the ultimate Foot Clan membership and you just get everything we ever do forever. Always. You're in every tournament. You've got every product in season, out season, uh, up season, down season, down season, inside out. Yeah. DFS. Everything. Out season. Out season. Yeah.
Speaker 5I, I am, I'm trying to decide on something right now, Mike. We, we were sitting down to record the show.
Speaker 3This sounds dangerous. We were sitting down to record the show. I'm not vibing. I don't know what we're doing.
Speaker 5We've got, we had producers, uh, you know, ready to rumble. Me and you are here. And a man came bursting out of the shower. Okay. And, and I, and I know that that guy went out to the range this morning. I did. To hit some golf balls. There's about 60 of them. It's dangerous. So he hit 60. What? Two, two buckets? No, that's one full bucket. Okay. And I am afraid to ask him how it went because I know he's trying to get on track because he's got, let's just say this. There's a decent chance, a hundred percent that he's going to be the video on. Yeah. Tomorrow. Like last week, people played nine holes with me. Right. And I learned a lot about myself and chemicals found in golf tees.
Speaker 3Yeah. Yeah. Jay, my recommendation is just pesticides from bottle.
Speaker 4I'm going to start licking the grass. In order to end it into this golf curse. No. Yeah. Tomorrow I will be recorded for everyone.
Speaker 5Normally shoot the pesticides 30, 40 yards away for everyone's viewing pleasure.
Speaker 4Everyone other than myself and how it went this morning was I shot 60 balls. I would say 30 of them were horrifically bad. There was one I was able to catch. So that was pretty cool. Like, like it hit off the ground and then you caught it. So it was teed up. I had my driver. And this is going to be. Dude, I hit that tee. Got to be 50 yards. Got to be. Okay. The ball, however, went straight up and I was able to yoink it right out of the air like a pro. Did anyone see it? I don't know. There was two old guys near me, but I don't know if they're watching.
Speaker 5Did you get any tips from the old guys?
Speaker 4No, thankfully. They can't help. You can't help this.
Speaker 5So I think, I think on Wednesday we are going to have Jason's play nine holes with Jason. You can find that out.
Speaker 4That will be the last day of my life. So enjoy. Happy FF ballers. Get in the UDK. Get in the UDK. Get in the UDK. Get in the UDK.com slash. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 3Jeremy wants to know about the other 30.
Speaker 4I had 10 good shots. 20 that were like. That's not even Fulton Reed level. One out of six. One out of six were. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 5Fulton Reed's one in five. Isn't it? Was he? That's a Kyle question. Kyle, what do you got?
Speaker 6Yep. One out of five. Yeah.
Speaker 5Okay. But yeah, ultimatedraftgate.com. Pick it up. Get the UDK for life. Be entered to win. Let's move on.
Speaker 1Performance Climbers presented by GMC.
Speaker 5All right. We have three names, players that have been moving up in average draft position, and we want to talk about those moves, starting with the newly acquired Stefan Diggs, wide receiver for the Commanders. Obviously, really wasn't being drafted before the signing. Moving up. We'll continue to move up.
Speaker 3He's fascinating to me because there's so much opportunity. It is a late. It is a late addition. Terry McLaurin can't be the entirety of the offense. So right now, he's going in double-digit rounds. So if you're scooping up, like you're doing your drafts about now, he's a massive, massive value. So the question really becomes, I think so. He's coming off over 1,000 yards.
Speaker 4No, I get it. Let's have a philosophical question about what good is because he finished as the wide receiver 16 last year. Obviously, you could just end. The whole debate and say, well, that was really good. And he was drafted way beyond behind that. But he wasn't good. Like he had 1,000 yards. That's awesome. But also, he wasn't played in fantasy the vast majority of weeks. Did he have a handful of weeks that were great? Top 10 weeks? Absolutely. On your bench or on waivers. He was not.
Speaker 3I think he was in more lineups than you're giving credit for.
Speaker 5I mean, maybe if I feel like that was happening early in the season, I think people faded out of that and moved on. Like people were starting. Okay, Sean booty at random there.
Speaker 4I mean, I'm not saying he was never started for a good game, but I already it was good. I do think that he was nowhere near as valuable as what saying the wide receiver 16 with 1,000 yards sounds like. And that was with I mean, I would imagine we would assume that Drake may throws for more yards than Jaden Daniels last year. Sure. Versus Jaden Daniels this year. So you've got a smaller pie. He was the one last year.
Speaker 3He was also coming directly off of a torn ACL. And puts up 85 for over in over 1,000 yards. I mean, we have to poo poo 100 targets going in the double digit round.
Speaker 5Sounds kind of well, let's put it this way, though. The there's two sides to it. One, he's a year older. He's the fun digs. He's not in this prime a year healthier, but like Keenan Allen had 122 targets last year. He had 80 catches. So on digs at 85 catches. I think that's a pretty interesting comparison of those two guys. And one of them is on a team. By contrast, Keenan Allen finished at 32 with the same numbers. It was just he had fewer yards, a lot fewer yards, but the same touchdowns, the same receptions. He had about 300 fewer yards. Yeah, 250. I'm just. saying that's the range though for a guy that's a low area target guy like stefan diggs now is is it 16 is it 32 is it 40 i understand it i think there's opportunity in washington i think that's obvious i think jayden daniels we like him it raises the ceiling for or the floor for daniels to me uh possession guy that can catch the ball i think full i think this is one of the biggest full ppr you know situations where diggs is is somewhat valuable they're kind of moderately valuable at half and not valuable at all in the you know standard league format so i'm not trying to poo-poo him i'm just saying we are long like keenan allen had a peak now keenan allen became a possession guy and i look at digs the same way i guess my question is like
Speaker 4for the purpose of this segment the adp he's been rising where do you think he lands because obviously yeah i think that's let's say let's say he eighth round ninth round where do you where do you anticipate that he would i think eighth eighth round ninth round where do you anticipate that he would go i think eighth eighth round ninth round where do you anticipate that he would go i think eighth eighth round ninth round where do you anticipate that he would go i think eighth eighth is probably a good landing so do you do you spend the pick on a guy that doesn't have a
Speaker 5ceiling in the eighth that's my point or do you spend a pick on another guy we're talking about
Speaker 4here's perfect here's a perfect example okay yeah stribbling that that's great that's a that's a a good counter because i was going to bring up alec pierce and kyle lemon they're going in the eighth round right now oh gosh yeah i would take both of those of course like there's a ceiling and even though mckay lemon is injured and maybe he doesn't get involved but digs in the tent
Speaker 3yeah maybe digs doesn't make it to the eighth then i mean would you
Speaker 5take mike let me put you on the spot here this this will be a decision you'll easily be able to make pat bryant with all the glazing going on in the last two days oh man or stefan digs in the
Speaker 310th round i think the the the ceiling discussion is very very fair because it's like stefan digs probably i think he can get over a thousand yards again and i think he could be five to seven touchdowns around there it's stefan digs is definitely a a safer bet on a week-to-week basis uh for like your second flex play that's what we're and we're not talking about the wide receiver two on your team we're talking about a bi-week fill-in we're talking about a uh a second flex just a guy who could go right into your lineup that will be better in my opinion than like scraping the the waiver wire you know heading into sunday you're like oh i gotta find a play stefan digs is gonna be much
Speaker 4better there is there is definitely a place for that where i love those players mid-season where i've dealt with injury or i took my swing at the big guys and now i need someone to plug a second flex it's like oh he can go in there and you know he'll he'll have eight or nine targets that's fine but when i'm in the draft i'm just looking at guys that are way way later well talk about johnson in the ninth or concepcion in the 10th or jayden higgins in the 11th or denzel boss denzel boston in the 12th i would rather take a shot on those
Speaker 5type of players would you rather have michael wilson or stefan digs wilson okay that that makes sense dejean stribling wide receiver for the 49ers has been moving up we're looking at adp risers right now on performance climbers stribling was in the 12th and 13th now he's in the 11th on on yahoo 33rd pick in the nfl draft we know what the uh the situation is in san francisco on a regular basis with injuries but all the all the reports on stribling all the highlights on stribling have been positive um picking up things in a hurry according to shanahan clay kubiak said he's been able to handle multiple responsibilities early fairly extensive role early on we lost ricky pierce all we lost christian kirk evans is the oldest drafted player in the top six rounds basically debo samuel debo is interesting because they're saying he's getting all of the work like he's splitting wide receiver running back room again it made me kind of forget like last year debo was not a part of the taking snaps at running backs situation but um but where are you with stribling and taking a shot on him i think he absolutely
Speaker 4has to have a shot taken on him brock purdy is a very good quarterback like he to me i put him in the certainly top half quarterback but probably a tier higher than than most people put him that's why i've been kind of into mike evans he's obviously a great red zone weapon brock throws touchdowns but evans is 33 going on 700 years into his his soft tissue is just brittle he's already dealing with the quad issue i mentioned yesterday he was back to practice he's working on the side he's not full practice yet i wanted to take shots on ricky pierce all so like this offense they need someone they lost they lost joan jennings they lost ricky pierce all mike evans they will lose at some point and so yeah stribling is he was he was drafted to be an important part he's already rolling with the he's you know not everyone's favorite 49ers reporter um but he's saying he's the best
Speaker 5wide receiver at camp full stop well and there's an opportunity there i mean the other pass catchers that are trustworthy in san francisco are all older yes so you know that includes kittle right kittle looks really good like he should be back out there but that is not uncommon to start the year strong that's where stribling i think could i doubt he has a breakout week one through four but as the year goes on i mean we used to see us with vintage larry fitzgerald the first half of the year for fits was higher than average you know better than expected second half slowed down i would expect similar things from from potentially kittle and you're saying
Speaker 4starts with mike evans ends was well wow wow should i cut you off
Speaker 3breaking news brooks said safe news get out of here brooks we're not doing a news segment did
Speaker 2you hear me i have a bunch of news to talk about but it will not be in a segment i mean this
Speaker 5guy's gonna ride in adp now um kyler murray has already been named the starting quarterback this there was too much good news coming out about jj mccarthy that's honestly what it seems like it
Speaker 4was like reporters are starting to say look the last couple practices mccarthy's been winning and and then he's like i gotta get this is terrible for minnesota like the potential negative outcome
Speaker 5it could be great sorry let me let me completely start over it's great for justin jefferson it's great for that discussion we had a couple days ago about jefferson and being maybe it was yesterday i don't even know what i'm talking about i don't even know what i'm talking about i don't even know what days are anymore but the potential outcome in minnesota is pretty rough because now if murray fails and then jj comes in and is just jj you're down to zero quarterbacks again and i i imagine murray will be okay but um you feel better about jefferson now um moderately moderately moderately
Speaker 3the uh like we've said the the information about the quarterback battle has been very very difficult to sift through as the it the my take on everything is i don't know that i've you're you're it's very rare to see an impartial view of what is going on in minnesota i feel like a lot of baggage i feel like people have already decided they don't like jj mccarthy so whenever kyler does something great they're going to report on it or there's the you know that jj mccarthy still has his supporters and they're going to report on it and they're going to report on it and they're going to say anything when kyler murray does anything good it's it's been very difficult to navigate but this had to happen this is you you have to you have to pick one and say okay you're at at this point you're the we think you're the best shot you get all the snaps with the ones now we can't keep splitting this crap up it's the season is like three weeks away yeah the whole thing where
Speaker 4they were going to take this all the way down to the wire i'm so happy they're not in either direction in either direction you've got to give your team a starting quarterback yes to practice through the next year and i think that's going to be a big deal for them because they're going to
Speaker 5next couple weeks before you start the season and this is this is what we thought was going to happen all along this is why i hated the this guy won this practice this guy won that practice because the so did kevin o'connell the coach knows where he's headed kyler had never played in the offense jj had it's not about what you can do during practice it's about what you can do during the game as a as a you know much more established veteran quarterback kyler gets the shot it's good for addison it's good for jefferson it's good for the offense overall i agree with
Speaker 3but we need now the information really matters because i the i think the i had shared it with you guys i can't remember there was a minnesota beat reporter where it finally felt like okay we're getting real news because he came out and basically said i don't care about who's winning who's not winning this practice like they both have not been great right that is the the true key story is both are struggling severely uh kyler against the ones jj mccarthy's look good but then he struggled sometimes against the twos so you have to make this move as the team but this will be a follow follow you feel like there won't be as much uh bias in the report yes because now it's just directly towards kyler murray how does he actually look because after our discussion you know yesterday talking jefferson and drake london it's like man i i'm nervous i'm nervous and i need training camp to talk me back in
Speaker 5so circling back to stribling um i think he's going to start right away i think he's very interesting as he's a perfect late round target because he doesn't have the same type of like i think carnell tate's a great adp value right now jordan tyson probably is a great value there are you know jacoby lane's another late round shot to go with the john stribling i think this is an interesting guy i don't think the adp moves up much more he could be the it could be like a pre-season highlight real situation that does move him up the rank
Speaker 4but I also don't think it's out of like I love Carnell Tate he is my current by far rookie wide receiver leader I don't think it's outside of the realm of possibility that at the end of the year Stribling is the the best rookie wide receiver he has the opportunity he has a great head coach and he's got physical tools like the way that Debo was used by Shanahan to get the ball in his hands and let him do what he can do physically that that reminds me a lot of Stribling not in the big body tackle breaker but he's 4-3-6 like scheme him some of these plays where he gets the balls in his hand
Speaker 3and just open space do you have any concern that you know at least in recent memory so like John Lynch has been the the GM since 2017 yes they have not drafted no I have huge concern over that so I mean like while we're getting all the you know the tire pumps are just blowing this Stribling thing up
Speaker 4are we confident that San Francisco actually got a pick I mean it's great that he's the 33rd pick or something like that like a high second rounder that doesn't mean that they did a good job he was not someone that I think was super highly touted like my Felix model uh has him with a good score with the draft capital but when you take that out and you just have the pure talent score it isn't it isn't something where it's like man that guy should be the 33rd pick so yeah there's question marks but the opportunity the offense and the draft cost costs you nothing like just go ahead and take a shot
Speaker 5last name to throw out there on performance climbers Malik neighbors obviously we understand why that ADP is moving um you know he's gone up above a lave and Ted McMillan on sleeper in the third round he was in the fourth uh he's he's moving up on Yahoo as well he's on track to play week one barring setbacks
Speaker 4man we it's tough because I think about like our our show yesterday the top 10 wide receivers and as soon as we got to like Jefferson it was like Drake London he's awesome guys after the yeah yeah CD lamb to your break to me after the CD lamb obviously the top four I think are better than I I put CD lamb right there and then it's like these are awesome guys Jefferson and and London and and and uh AJ Brown it's like neighbors like I don't know man neighbors is right right there he's got
Speaker 5very little competition starting doesn't necessarily mean he's back to full form and there have been questions about the offense do they concern you I mean yeah Matt Nagy concerns everyone it's not Nagy alone either it's Nagy and Greg Roman combo oh man these circus can they like cancel each other out though no no you don't think two wrongs make a right no there's more of a square root situation yeah it's a day where we have an exponential gain or decline I should say
Speaker 3just you guys see that Adam Gase has a job yeah he's he's way down on the uh he's on the
Speaker 5offense specialist somewhere down on the charges who is giving these people jobs that seemed like
Speaker 4a pity job he was so far down on the coaching list where it's like okay dude you you need a check uh
Speaker 3but I I when it when it is literally just an injury I hate it I hate the analysis because I don't have the insight that the team has but based of the risk and the profile uh in the third round I'm happy to draft Malik I think everyone is and
Speaker 4I don't think he stays there I think when drafts come around he's gonna where is his second I think second round second round is rushy rice Nico Collins we have no dark neighbors data basically
Speaker 5right ever correct yeah it's wild all right that was performance climbers brought to you by GMC we are professional grade let's take a break and we'll jump into uh well I guess some news and then we'll what what no no just like passing news and then we'll get into rankings JK Dobbins got hurt no Peyton said he'll be fine now I will say he said he's not gonna miss a game
Speaker 4he guaranteed he's not missing which he is still not a liar still not I guess a liar he did get injured in practice and leave with a trainer but he's fine
Speaker 5Christian McCaffrey given the day off with tightness just managing CMC according to Clay Kubiak yeah that that seems fine Josh Jacobs is going to be out for at least another week with
Speaker 4the groin injury he's growing man I was people got to start doing that butterfly stretch more
Speaker 5I was really talking to you think you think they're doing that one I think there's obviously they're skipping it hammy calf anything else we should stretch no coach I I do find myself like I want I want to be fully confident in Josh Jacobs dude but when you mix the like the legal stuff got me out on him to start the offseason and now he's banged up and he missed he's been he's had problems staying healthy I mean last year was no exception to that he missed with a knee injury he missed with a knee and ankle him and then he was inactive to in the year he was a machine the
Speaker 3first 10 weeks the world deserves Marshawn Lloyd does it man yes and uh let me you know let me just update that the world deserves to see what Marshawn Lloyd can actually do on a football field yeah I mean the world deserved to see that with Kendra Miller as well yeah well we don't know we don't
Speaker 4always get what we deserve so and then Mike would like us to talk about the fact that it was all
Speaker 5this negative stuff Bryant had been uh I like how it's written in our doc Pat Bryant rules per
Speaker 4everyone obviously Mike put that in there yeah I think that's a good thing that's a good thing that's a good thing obviously Mike put that in there and I'm just sourcing Pat Bryant has been a training camp highlight guy the last two days on social media were like unbelievable for everyone to make sure that they know Pat Bryant was a rookie wide receiver last year for the Broncos yes third
Speaker 3rounder but I'm saying like you have good beat reporters who give us good information really steaming up Pat Bryant some of them even saying like not only is the wide receiver three but the transition to wide receiver two over the course of like it might happen this year during that would be over Sutton and then K Adams said what are you
Speaker 5how are you going to keep Pat Bryant off the field and champagne said we're not yeah so there you go Pat Bryant something to pay attention to the the big thing for me with that is you know if if it's waddle and then Pat Bryant is stepping up into like a a meaningful role which he was hurt last year didn't get a lot of opportunities that's two big weapons that bonex is picking up this awesome potentially so sure let's get into the ranks running bags all right we are counting down the running backs 20 through 11 our consensus rankings what makes an rb2 over the last decade running backs finishing in this range 20 through 11 70 percent average 17 17 or more opportunities per game 77 had 1100 or more yards which you know that's a lot and then 77 had eight or more total touchdowns we'll start with Mike's guy Deandre Swift not to be confused with my guy
Speaker 3number 20. but this is a Mike guy yeah that's fine it's off season that's fine I I'm in on
Speaker 5Deandre Swift man well you're in on the offense yep you're check you're in on the forever dismissing but Deandre Swift yet him producing part of his career now he has always been a running back too 18 19 22 23 19 14. he got close this year or last year I don't know how a player to me looks so good and so bad on different plays that's one of the things that is weird about Deandre Swift and it's also weird when you have played on you know three different franchises in a six-year career and teams don't love you now we thought maybe he would get dismissed or not used by Ben Johnson and that's
Speaker 3not been the case like everything is set up for Deandre Swift of offensive Guru offensive Guru came in and said our all this offensive line is garbage here is money fix the problem and they did it it doesn't always fix but what they did it it worked out their Rush success rate went from 21st to third yards before contact that's a huge one that went from 26 to six their their run block rank on pff went from 14th to third and Deandre Swift still goes in the middle rounds uh which and he's the pass catcher you know they're I like common on guy I think he's he's a a fun interesting player towards the end of drafts you can get him much later than Swift if you're wanting to do the I want a piece of the Bears running back committee I'll take the later one that's fine but I think that Swift is going to be the leader of it and we're just going to see more of what we saw last year potentially even better not just because of Swift because of Caleb and his command you know the projection of what can Caleb do in the second year of this offense assuming Luther burden is is healthy this thing should be it can easily be a top five offense in the league and Swift is the leader and he's going to score a ton of fancy points yeah I mean he is as
Speaker 4undesired by the masses as possible because you just don't see a path for him to really finish as a league winning top five back he's been in the league long enough we know what he is he's running back too he's solid he's good he's out there for most games which is great he's a good pick in fantasy football he's not a league winner but he's a good pick however we you know we we talk about some of these guys behind like when menungai when swift missed week nine menungai was the running back three in fantasy football had a ton of work this is a great offense a great offensive line and a system that wants to run the ball but obviously the other thing can happen too like should should menungai get injured that is how swift becomes a league winner yeah i think the red zone is an interesting conversation
Speaker 5there they basically split the work last year it is something where swift i think him coming off the field half the time in the red zone is a a limit to the ceiling yeah he just he had 13.2
Speaker 3points per game last year like that's 0.2 points behind saquon barkley and i mean that was more points per game than ashton gentry uh and it's like and but where he's going is not in the first or the second round he is he's he's such a he's such a good pick to me um 77 percent of rb2s
Speaker 5have been in the first or the second round he's he's he's such a he's such a good pick to me eight or more touchdowns he had he was over that mark last year number 19 is bucky irving i think one of the most polarizing not even polarized yeah i mean just like just wild card uncertain wild card players he's only 23 years old guys i mean bucky is being drafted at rb19 so we're
Speaker 4exactly at adp there on him the latest reports because i think the if we knew bucky was going to get the workload that he got at the end of the rookie season that he started to get for his sophomore season bucky would be you know uh probably a low-end rb1 as far as where he's being drafted now the question is while they lost rashad white they brought in kenny gainwell and what is the utilization going to be the early reports from camp are that the vast vast majority of carries are going to bucky irving he is like their running back however there's a lot of two running back sets now with uh gainwell on the field gainwell is doing a lot of running back doing a ton of the passing work and he he so far in the last report that i saw in camp he's getting more receiving work than bucky so that really does make sense yeah it does make sense that's that's gainwell so good at it um but it nerfs irving's upside if he loses a ton of passing work to
Speaker 5kenny gainwell yeah i think i think we want to see the between the tackles runner that bucky was as a rookie come back to light because there's going to be opportunity if the offensive line which is ranked fifth and baker's healthy and you've got zach robinson like there's a lot of upside to you know i think bucky's a great pick if they're a top 10 offense i think he's a bad pick if they're a bottom third offense like a lot of it depends on the the surrounding
Speaker 3situation to me yes the hard part for bucky is the talent is there how will he be used like if we're saying a lot of the running back reception are going to kenny gainwell that's a that's that's a negative for bucky and then last year you know obviously not a complete full season for bucky not a single carry inside the five and if if if this coaching staff is deciding we don't want bucky doing the inside the five he's not our goal line running back and kenneth gainwell is more of the pass catching back than bucky like you want the guy who's in on on first and second down because that's where the true fantasy points are but if that's just 20 to 20 you have a really big
Speaker 5problem here's something interesting about all the players going in the range of bucky irving which by the way it's travion henderson but he's losing first and second down work it's travis henderson's travis hn jr he's losing third down work which is what bucky's doing it's judkins losing third down work which bucky's doing it's you know bashal tootin who we think might lose goal line in my and third down which is what bucky might do like and then there's deandre swift and then there's swift
Speaker 3so swift just that's why i like swift because he sure you can have question marks about swift but he's a like a almost two rounds cheaper than all those guys we were just talking about
Speaker 5yep and so are you you know cam is basically in the same area as well and i think i'd take
Speaker 4cam scataboo over bucky so that's the question is you know when when you're on the clock and
Speaker 5there was some negative there was some negative news about cam yeah about cam scataboo that he's coming off
Speaker 4and all two minute drills to tracy that would be i don't like that really bad oh that would be naggy yeah no that would that math checks out that math completely checks out of course he'll come off he's their best weapon in a two minute drill so you gotta you gotta outthink yourself you know
Speaker 3you gotta make sure never see it coming no you i mean they'll put tracy on the field and be like they are never gonna give that guy why is it still red because why is it still red is because
Speaker 5the the hype train i have to hit the button again to stop it but the red alert i don't and i'm supposed to remember it all every time does workman's comp cover uv burns
Speaker 3from panic alarms it's my fault mike i would like you to know it's my fault
Speaker 4but tyrone tracy will be the two minute back because because he shouldn't see that that is
Speaker 5that's why i get really scared with everything on that offense that's why i get scared about neighbors being as good as he should be it's why i get scared about dart getting to do what he wants to do and i'm not scared about that because i'm not scared about that because i'm not scared about what he wants to do i'm very i'm very scared of the giants well i've had this deck of playing
Speaker 3cards that has not left the table so uh looking forward to busting those out so budget but i do
Speaker 4like scat more than urban i think this is i think this is worth bringing up for the folk clan because we've we were talking about how in those early rounds yeah when we were going through when we get to the justin jefferson and we get to the uh drake london and it's like obviously every one at that point in the draft they're great but there's a lot of questions and that there's ways that it can go poorly whereas there were really really good running backs instead there but now when we get to this point where we're like i don't know about bucky or cam or um a lot of these questions henderson the wide receivers that are there are you know davante smith and lad mcconkie and zay flowers it's like to me i'm looking strategically at just the 2026 draft i like the wide receivers i'm looking strategically at just the 2026 draft i like the wide receivers i'm looking Here more than the running backs here.
Speaker 3Almost like there's a running back dead zone, Jay? Yeah, basically.
Speaker 5And it's moved up. I wouldn't say that I feel like any of the guys you've talked about so far, including this next name, I wouldn't feel comfortable as my RB2, though. They're not in that. I'm not that level of afraid.
Speaker 4I agree that I wouldn't be uncomfortable, but I just think that the odds are higher for some of these guys that it goes wrong. Ironically, this guy, I think he's pretty darn good.
Speaker 5Javante Williams. I am the highest on Javante at 15. That's fine. I'm so proud. He was a running back 11 last year. Solid. Solid is the way to describe Javante. I'm very happy for Javante. There's nothing spectacular about Javante's game anymore. It's just he's a great running back. He can handle a large volume. He had his best year points for game-wise last year, 14.1. He missed one game. His workload, his efficiency, everything went to a place where we were like week in and week out. Oh, look at Javante again. Oh, look at – I mean, there's an offense we love.
Speaker 4He's not good in the receiving game, but he is used in the receiving game, which is enough. It was like Chuba.
Speaker 5Chuba would get past the ball all the time and do nothing with it, fall over.
Speaker 4He has the goal line back. He has the passing downs back, and he's between the 20s back. So he is a true workhorse back for one of the offenses we're targeting. He's not necessarily the most explosive player where you're going to have some breakaway amazing season, but he's not aged out either. He's not an old man. So to me, it's like get a piece of the Cowboys' offense, get a piece of the Bengals' offense, especially when those two running backs have no competition on the depth track.
Speaker 5He had eight total touchdowns inside the five for the previous four years. Last year, he had 10. Do you guys have – Big news. J.K. Dobbins is back out on the field in pads. That's right, babe. I told you. No news. Pretty remarkable. Nothing to see here. Pretty remarkable. Nothing. Nothing to see here. Don't worry about it at all.
Speaker 3I won't.
Speaker 5But you should. Breece Hall.
Speaker 3I think Jaden Blue is worth talking about because he was an absolute – he was nothing last year. There was what the Gucci cleat gate where the rookie showed up and thought he was hot stuff and seemed like from that moment on, the team had to humble him. But the news on Blue – Blue is much, much better this year. So I'm just curious if you guys have any concerns for coming in.
Speaker 4I want to yawn so much through what you're saying. I just want to like – I don't care at all. I couldn't care less.
Speaker 5Yeah, and it's not – it's just those guys are just ancillary. I need a blow. Is it Mavar, Blue? When you hear all the reports – Malik Davis is still there too. Malik Davis. I don't care about any of those guys.
Speaker 4When you hear reports of like, I had to learn a big lesson rookie year and I've learned it. Like, okay, great. Good for you, buddy.
Speaker 5Here's what Javante did. Had a great season. They paid him more money.
Speaker 4Yeah. I mean, he's the guy – I mean, if you want to talk like, okay, an injury happens to Javante, is it Jaden Blue? But we're not even sure it's Jaden Blue. I have zero worries that someone's going to like take a chunk of work while Javante's healthy away from Javante.
Speaker 5Here is a player that I am the highest of the three of us by a lot and I'm just really close to planting my flag on. Brees Hall at 17. I got him at 13. Jason at 17, Mike at 20, Mike a little bit behind ADP, Jason Wright. there on my head look he got the bag this offseason three-year extension guaranteed money 1400 yards from scrimmage in an offense last year that was it uh an utter embarrassment but one of my favorite things i've read this offseason is just the fact that that the drumbeat has been one i like the way the offensive line is trending two they paid him the money we don't have this cloud over the head of of breeze where it's like they want him out of town and then they've talked about featuring him more they've they've literally like oh it's a braylon allen imagine you know but they've literally talked about featuring breeze hall which they've kind of done against their
Speaker 4will it feels like at times i think he is i love i love the the pick of yours of liking breeze this year i think he's going to be very involved he's he's great as a pass catcher we saw genti last year probably popped up by gino just from the dink and dunks the little drop-offs and that's breeze one of one of his best parts of his game is taking those little dump-offs there's and he's going to play
Speaker 5friday he's still explosive i mean he he has big plays all the jet starters playing friday fourth and explosive rush rate breeze hall 10th and fourth missed tackle rate 36 of his carries five plus yards they knew what they were doing they knew what the jets were doing they didn't have a passing game and they still he still had success
Speaker 4he has always had success they should have one of the more changed offensive lines so there there's and i think there's a lot of um we're tired with breeze hall after he was running back four as a sophomore we got too hyped and he disappointed a couple years in a row but right now where he's being drafted there is upside where he can he can finish as an rb1 obviously he's not on a great team not a great offense the scoring opportunity is not going to be there but he's explosive he's using the passing game he's their goal line back he's basically everything that some of these other guys are just not on a good offense all right we'll take a quick
Speaker 5break and come back with the rest of the rankings all right cam scataboo comes in at 16 on the rankings we we did just talk about him quite a bit um it was awesome as as a rookie you know he he was number one in the entire nfl in terms of the percentage of his rushing yards after contact like he he got it done he could fight through tackles everything you saw on the college tape he just translated right into doing it to you know linebackers and you know corners and everything else at that only ken bone walker had a higher
Speaker 4force missed tackle rate yeah he was awesome i mean he brought it up too of like that's his way of avoiding punishment you know when when we were chatting with him was like if he hits you first then his legs don't take punishment he doesn't take that damage he is totally fine to damage his head so long as he's
Speaker 5saving his legs yeah and he he was just great 17.4 fancy points per game in his starts but i just i just am at this place where i don't know how prescriptive anything they did last year was you know tracy how often do you involve him you know what does dart in this offense look like i i don't know the answer matt naggy greg roman brian callahan that trio scares the living daylights out of me they're also going to be trio yeah i mean but but cam is triforce of sour we were so close to cliff here but cam cam is just kind of he's the kind of guy that more momentum in the game more opportunities in the game he wears people down so i hope that this offensive brain trust can recognize that and not take him off the field could easily
Speaker 4to say that you have a third down back yeah i could see it happening down the stretch where the choice is kind of taken away from them you know i i would not be surprised if you come out and week one and for the month of the season it is a three-way committee you know they get devin singletary his and then tyrone tracy tyrone tracy is the two minute back and some passing downs back and first and second down is is cam but i do think as the season goes on kind of what happened in his rookie season you just see like we can't really take this guy off the field he can do it all he's really really good so i expect him to have a better second half than the first half he's a scary pick to me because there are ways it could easily go wrong even though love the talent love the player and if you had the right coordinator like and and maybe they do maybe they just say you are our this is a team that wants to run the ball for sure they want to run the ball i i i said that they have a good defense early in the offseason they didn't last year i i think they're going to have a good
Speaker 5um yeah that's bold time will tell they're not the problem with that is best laid plans for teams that are underdogs a lot it can take away your running game yeah i mean are they going to be
Speaker 4above 500 but that's the thing with scataboo is that he should be involved in all three you know he should be he should be a pass catching back he's that's like i i know he's seen as this rb1
Speaker 5no way okay i want to know when we get to a name today on the 20 through 11 or you might be comfortable with them yeah i'm not comfortable with them i'm not comfortable with them i'm not comfortable with them no way what if you went heavy wide a receiver played onesie in the draft so i was his offensive
Speaker 4coordinator i'd be i would take him running back four because i would just give him the ball 30
Speaker 5times the injury is still like he is still recovering from major injury the earlier on if
Speaker 3you you know if we can pull any of the trends from so 2017 he was the oc talking uh uh matt nagy he was the oc of the kansas city chiefs that was one of the kareem hunt years where it was kareem hunt rushing you don't dismiss that for andy reid though well i just like hold on okay so he led so tons of 272 carries 63 targets matt nagy parlays that into becoming the head coach of the chicago bears which to his credit had incredible success in year one uh running back wise it was jordan howard was at 250 carries only 26 targets because it's jordan howard the next year we had montgomery at 242 carries 35 targets and then that followed up with montgomery 247 68 targets so he's i'm saying it's not out of the like yeah it's it's not like when we're looking at uh um monken where it's like there's just the stretch you know like he's got a guy who for sure carries the ball and then he has a guy who for sure catches the ball uh it he utilizes or you know at least has used his guys sort of correctly we'll
Speaker 4definitely think the ceiling case for scataboo is an rb1 like yes he can easily finish as an rb1 it's just a scary process of where you're putting your trust well 15 is jeremiah love of the arizona
Speaker 5cardinals 21 years old i mean everything you could ever want in a feature back skill wise elite in every way i mean he is a dominant receiver but you're on the cardinals and you're on cardinals offense that has tyler algier i mean i haven't heard a whisper about a play from james connor this offseason maybe you guys think he's still hurt okay well maybe that explains it because i mean that doubt because all i've seen is is algier and jeremiah love
Speaker 3sharing work which is a is an issue at least the way that they have publicly talked about james connor like they're still talking about him as he is very much in the plans for for the running back room and he's not in the running back room and he's not in the running back room
Speaker 5and he's not even i've seen him out on the practice field that's why i'm confused not not playing but like talking to coaches and stuff so and in pads so i i'm a little bit confused about like there's a lot of rumors about connor filling in gaps in different teams like maybe the lions with the mcl sprain to pacheco go after james connor to be a backup to to gibbs situations like that where the running back rooms are thinned out a little bit i think that when marshall lloyd
Speaker 3inevitably gets hurt that the that you've had connor recovering from his injury and he's not in the running back room and then trey benson continues to be hurt i think that that probably weighs in right now of the cardinals like do we have a third running back that we know we can at least get on the field
Speaker 5jinty was the rb uh six in adp last year first round pick bijan was the third running back as a rookie prospect zeke was the third running back off the board as a rookie prospect love is now 13 like we we you aren't paying i don't hate it a ton of money i mean if if you trust lafleur at all in making decisions that are advantageous to his team scheme wise like the improvement from gannon to lafleur on offense like if you if you go what is that rational coaching yes the the fallacy of your path to victory is jeremiah love getting as much work as possible at 21 years old with the third pick in the draft i guess i'm just curious if that discount is enough for you to take a shot at i i i'm okay with it i've spent most of
Speaker 3the offseason being kind of prepped and concerned to be completely out on jeremiah love running back 13 even you know the rankings and projections is slightly behind that trying to factor in some dumbness from from what the coaches are doing but prospect wise is like i i think love is a better prospect than gent he was i think he is a better prospect than bijan was like this is a true elite player to me and i just that so bijan went at the running back three in for ADP wise when he was a rookie and it's not all that dissimilar to me of you know like there's it's not going to be a good team it's a highly drafted running back they should fully feature him now you know he got Algier'd a bit ironically in in the world we are in Jamie or Jeremiah Love will get Algier'd a little bit that's the question is like when they get inside the five who's going to be in there is it going to rotate is it going to be Algier or will it for sure be Love because if it's for sure Love running back 13 is can't you that's not it's not
Speaker 4for sure Love I mean it it's it's going to be at the very best I think it'll be a rotation they won't bring Tyler Algier in on the goal line in certain situations because he's good they did it with Bijan even into Bijan's career not just when he was a rookie because Tyler is not Michael Carter with Resol right and going back to Brees Hall if you look at you know LaFleur was the OC during Brees Hall's rookie season where he wasn't even as highly drafted a guy and they had Michael Carter second rounder he basically took over Brees was averaging 16.4 fantasy points a game before he got injured in his rookie season on pace for 200 carries 62 targets I believe that Love will get enough work he will get vultured on the on the goal line too much he will also not be someone that in his rookie season is getting 275 carries on the ground this will be he will he will be more around 200 carries and you're hoping he gets like 60 or 70 targets if 70 would be insane it would be I think that might be the the argument for Love
Speaker 5yes entirely you're gonna you're not just underdogs in every single one of your games you're double digit underdogs in four of your first six and seven and eight and a half point in the other two Algier's not going to be out there you're not going to be out there you're not going to be out there on these on these comeback attempts right isn't it going to be Jeremiah Love catching like
Speaker 4check down Charlie situation it should be Love and so if he gets 200 rushing attempts and we'll call it 65 targets he should beat an ADP of being the running back 13 he just finishes an RB1
Speaker 3historically since 2015 here's running backs drafted in the top 10 of the NFL draft Barkley finished at two Zeke at two Bijan was nine Gente it was it felt really bad and it was 12 McCaffrey was 11 Trent Richardson was eight Leonard Fournette was eight and Todd Gurley even coming off of the ACL injury finished at seven so I mean historically this is a you know the top 10 running back in the NFL draft is a great bet for fantasy RB13 I've Gente I think
Speaker 4I'm in Gente is why Love is going to be a fine pick this year like Gente made everyone get too hot and bothered he was the running back six drafted last year and he was a bust even though he finishes an RB1 because he didn't return on that value you're not drafting Jeremiah Love in the first round he's absolutely fine where he's going right now number 14 is
Speaker 5Kyron Williams uh the hotly debated Kyron Williams I got him at 19 Jason at 12 Mike at 16 yeah just right I mean Kyron Kyron's a very good player he's he's not an explosive uh breakaway type of guy he's a high opportunity grinder the the big argument for me is just just look at the data there's the team that was pressing for the Super Bowl preseason it was a good game it was a good game it was a good game it was a good game pre-bye week Kyron is getting 72 percent of the running back opportunities post-bye week it was 57 percent yes he performs statistically for fantasy but it's a law of averages thing for me where if the team has made a decision to share the running back workload you're going to have a reduced effectiveness for Kyron at some point in time I think Coram is awesome all the offseason reports have been great so I think there will be a slightly reduced running back workload for Kyron so I have him slightly below ADP I'm in four spots below ADP I don't think that's weird because you have to decide what you think
Speaker 3the team is going to do it would seem like you won't have any Kyron on your team though I will
Speaker 5have no Kyron on my team no I will have lots of Blake Coram on my team yeah Coram was inconsistent he won't be a my guy because he's he's still too um like I don't think he takes over the job from Kyron I don't think that that's in the realm of possibilities is Coram becomes the RB1 I think Kyron stays the RB1 but I think you've seen a progression of running back opportunities reduced for Kyron Williams and that's something I I don't like at his ADP Jay is it my turn yeah
Speaker 4I ceded my time to the fine analyst on my left Kyron Williams is a very good running back who is part of the heart and soul of this team that is their lead back that is paid that gave him the contract to be the man Blake Coram is very good and don't hear what I'm not saying Coram is a good fantasy pick he is I I put out a tweet of like the insurance backs he's a league winner should should Kyron go down Coram is awesome Coram can be more involved and Kyron still be a fantastic pick in fantasy and that's what's going to happen Coram is going to be more involved and be fine and Kyron is going to be a good pick in fantasy he's been a running back one the last three years he's on one of if not the best offense in the league right you guys you know he's he's in that total upper echelon especially when the only reason I wouldn't put the Rams necessarily with the Bengals and the and the uh Cowboys and the Lions is because their defense is good but that's good for the running back that means at the end of the game they're running the ball more and more and more more opportunities for Kyron when Coram was super involved at the end of the year and they both had 11 carries inside the five like they were both used as goal line backs Kyron was averaging 14 and a half fantasy points a game Kyron turned his 11 into six touchdowns while Coram turned his 11 into three touchdowns Kyron is not going away Kyron is the leader and he will score a ton of fantasy points will he be the you know 85 percent bell cow the Christian McCaffrey no but that doesn't mean he's a bad pick where he's going right now in fantasy drafts he's just like I'll tell you what would I be comfortable with Kyron Williams as my running back one absolutely he I I see him as a as a guaranteed running back one for
Speaker 5fantasy yeah and that's where I mean I'm not alone and I addressed all of the things you said and when I spoke so I don't need to go back and do it again um he's being drafted at RB15 outside the RB1 category it's not the consensus opinion that he's an RB1 he has to be a favorite among
Speaker 3running backs for double digit touchdowns he is he is the draft kings uh they're going to be on the line they scored 65 times yeah and like there's plenty to go around for a 1a and a 1b yep but I
Speaker 5mean I I think it will be the turning of the page towards a new paradigm and and and yeah Kyle says
Speaker 3his projection his line is nine and a half yep touchdowns rushing touchdowns so that's not even
Speaker 5receiving yeah I've got him four spots lower than ADP so that's that's what I think of Corum Jason's got him three spots higher than ADP at 13 comes Josh Jacobs 28 years old dealing with the groin we've all got him about the same spot yeah we'll we'll see if he stays here most touchdowns inside the 10 in the NFL over the last two years yeah I think it will be the turning of the page towards a new paradigm and in yeah Kyle says his projection is nine and a half yep touchdowns rushing touchdowns rushing touchdowns over the last two years yeah I think it will be the turning of the page towards a new paradigm and in yeah Kyle says his projection is nine and a half yep touchdowns rushing touchdowns over the last two years huge part of the offense it's it's really you know we can say all the jokes or whatever about you know Marshawn Lloyd finally getting an opportunity if if Jacobs is healthy they don't care about Marshawn Lloyd this team cares about giving Jacobs the rock because he thrives on more and more opportunities on being out there for his team you know there is just it's not a very messy situation outside of injury to me there's is he healthy he's dominant
Speaker 4yeah I think it will be the turning of the page towards a new paradigm and in yeah Kyle says his is he not healthy he's not on the field I mean that to me it's very simple he's a goal line machine they figured that out and they score every time they give him the ball near the goal line he was so consistent he was I got to think he was first nine weeks last year before injury on pace
Speaker 5for 21 touchdowns on the ground and 64 targets with 52 receptions yeah that's just auto auto
Speaker 4rb1 I had him last year I mean it was our league of record team I had him last year I had him last had the Jonathan Taylor and Josh Jacobs it seems hard to remember how good they were now in the first half of the year yeah that's fair but they were genuinely unbelievably dominant and then he got injured dealt with that kind of played through it when he shouldn't have then got punished again it was a weird you were suffering because of it uh but yeah I mean those those first nine weeks he was the running back five favorite in the first six weeks of the year Green Bay is I will not
Speaker 3argue anything about the touchdowns but I I'm curious of the just you know lack of explosive plays and you know he's grinding it out he's maybe he's doing what the team wants him to do but this is a situation that I think is primed for someone else to get more work than you're hoping
Speaker 5Saquon Barkley comes in at 12 uh oh boy it's a it's a nerve-wracking yeah it is player team to to draft but he's at 12 so again everybody here is our consensus rankings Jason's taking the shot at uh four spots lower I don't feel good about it so my my the the which according to our Kyron Corum analysis means he hates him beyond all measure how do you respond to hating Saquon
Speaker 4I would say that it's rare for a running back at 30 to get better than the year prior when they start to statistically like lose a step now there are rational thoughts on how it can happen last year the injuries to Lane Johnson and the offensive line for the Eagles might be the reason why it wasn't the age to Barkley it was the offensive line situation that caused Barkley to be
Speaker 3less efficient that makes as a whole was pretty yeah dry paper petulo was a terrible offensive
Speaker 4coordinator and now they've got manion and the offensive line should be better also another humongous change for this offense is jalen hertz who never was really under center when he was under center the offense was very good under center play action those things they're really really good for the running back position so he is focusing on being under center much more the offensive line is better that's all great but when you look at last year and you say well saquon was inefficient because of petulo because of the offensive line tank bigsby was awesome when he got the ball he didn't have any problems whatsoever behind that that line and what we've seen in camp maybe it's you know look it's smart saquon's gonna be 30 don't just run him into the ground but tank has been more and more involved in camp and so i wouldn't be surprised if this year it's gonna be the saquon show but i think that you tank will get more than he has in the past and saquon has been getting the entirety of it he's been getting like the the full christian mccaffrey type of workload so um being 30 years old having lost efficiency last year and the potential for work to be seated that's just that that's why i'm scared but i'm also like terrified that saquon could be if you say like could saquon be the running back one this year i'd say yeah i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know he could he could end up with you know it's in the 1600 rushing yards and 12 touchdowns and still be involved in the passing game but i am i bypass him in most drafts where he's going he's being drafted as the running back seven and i i like other backs there you're like omari and hampton
Speaker 5more yes omari and hampton comes in at 11 to round out today's episode 23 years old was great when he was on the field but wasn't on the field a bunch last year mike you're the lowest the comments in in the last you know 24 hours are you know the twitter spheres a buzz about mike mcdaniel saying that the you know doing his trolling thing of bad news fantasy owners good i see all three of these guys speaking of vidal hampton and mitchell performing at a high level but that's not possible no nor nor is it like customary for mike mcdaniel and what he does on the offensive play calling side like he you remember the comments he had about um i think it was ollie and when he's just like he'll have either all of the snaps or some of the snaps or zero snaps in the upcoming game he's a troll he does like trolling the fantasy football community i think it's very important i'll say this i think it's very important that omari and hampton establishes himself early in the season that that's what i think is important now if you want to start the year against arizona las vegas and be double digit favorites in the first two games that's an awesome opportunity to do that establish it but you know i think keaton mitchell is kind of a a player that mike mcdaniel wants to use in the passing game and and really in inventive ways in this offense i don't look at vidal as a threat to hampton you know he's healthy no vidal is but i think i i think i don't know what the real range of outcomes for hampton is so just tell me
Speaker 4so i know whether to trade him or not i don't see hampton well i want you to trade him to me so i would yeah we were talking some trades yesterday i would make the bear case but in truth i think that there is a extreme likelihood that you get 18 touchdowns a game for hampton and if hampton's getting 18 touches a game behind a good offensive line i think he will be great this is a team where the defense is good the offense is good the offensive line is extremely improved the offensive coordinator is improved this is also an offensive coordinator in the past who had two top five running backs at the same time for fantasy on the same team so i'm not worried about the other guys when when you know it was raheem morrison and devon h and if you've got talent or most are yes what did i say more yeah the that's not the running back no no no uh most are an h and so i i i pretty much love all the situation i really liked the player coming out of college which obviously the team did too they spent a first round pick on him and he was very good you could talk about like there are different ways to spin all the deeper analytic numbers i see people talk about how inefficient he was here and then i see look the numbers that show he was the most efficient just the best it's like just watch the tape he was very good he he did things on his own and he he had very little to work with with the offensive line i think that the offensive line with the improvement at center and both tackles will be awesome can he be a top
Speaker 3five back absolutely i believe he can you believe that mike i do uh i'm i like my projection and ranking has me out on hampton and if this is a it's a real weird one of like everything is there everything is there for for hampton to be what exactly what you want for fantasy football and yet there's just you know the the cup the the the the tiny little variables where you're like yeah you have to kind of trust that like makes me unsure like like omarian
Speaker 5hampton's a first round running back me and jason fell in love with his collegiate tape and you have to do the chargers you have to fundamentally believe that that guy is much much much better than kamani vidal on a per down basis for this team and that that
Speaker 4will win out if you look at opportunities per game on year two running backs who were first round picks all of them the opportunities per game were rashad penny was down at seven and clyde edwards a lair who turned out sucked and we found out out pretty quick it was the first time running back four yes i know that's what i'm saying these are all 14 he had 14 opportunities a game still a pretty good amount everyone else was 16 18 19 19 20 21 21 21 22 22 23 28 he's gonna get the work yeah and he's good
Speaker 5so just maybe don't worry about the trolling yeah mike mcdaniel let's do a couple mailbag questions
Speaker 1mailbag
Speaker 5pete in jersey should i keep tet mcmillan in the fourth or tyler warren in the seventh what would
Speaker 3you do oh i would take warren and i would take tyler warren i lean tet there man but i don't
Speaker 5think you can make a wrong choice alec pierce did he or did he going right around all right so maybe warren he's at the three four turn warren's
Speaker 3got to be going fifth six though right yeah what world's going on with alec pierce so did he get a shot did he the second shot did he not get it did not get a second shot why is it but if he did get
Speaker 5a second shot it's normal according to the doctors either way nothing to see here so i look at there is something to see there i'm not gonna stick my head in the sand i don't i don't want like there are no good vibes around alec pierce right now the end i mean until he's on the field and looks like himself which by the way two years in a row of leading the league in yards per reception you kind of need your wheels so and and from what i understand ankle is part of the running process so it is connected to the part of the wheel you know it's the tyler warren thing like the only thing i'll say about tyler warren that needs to be said is that when he didn't have mvp level daniel jones he never hit double digits in fantasy production that's you know is a regular daniel jones versus mv i mean they were an eight and one team they were dominating yeah ken are we going to see that again i hope so tyler warren i saw some clips of him at camp this morning and it was like it was funny because everybody's commentary on him and i kind of agree even though i don't care is that he makes running look
Speaker 3exhausting like that dude yeah does that's he's not that is really really fair yeah and
Speaker 5other comments are like what you don't see here is how long it took tyler warren to catch his breath like he is a rumbling like yeah like a round mound of touchdown you know what i mean fluid and smooth no it's like but when you get up to speed it's great it's just carrying around 260 pounds yeah it's not it's not loveland right it's right it's not ingram or somebody that's or even kyle pitts
Speaker 4it's a big boy he reminds me of tj hawkinson which yeah that's fair it feels bad now but tj hawkinson you know awesome was a top five tight end three times he was the tight end two once
Speaker 5but like younger rock never looked like he really knew what he was doing running the football no
Speaker 3he looked just out of control at every out of control and blown up you get a locomotive going you can't stop it can warren go what's warren's outlook for target percentage oh with michael pittman gone i think he can easily have 25 percent target share i think he could too like i'm you know they would we the loveland warren argument is like it's fun to have that debate both are gonna
Speaker 5be awesome i think i'm finding myself really putting tucker craft up into the tyler warren
Speaker 4area mentally you're speaking as tucker mike's love language i think i mean i moved him early
Speaker 5this morning tucker craft went up right at about the same production levels as tyler warren one more question here from nate in vancouver british columbia oh bonjour are we undervaluing chris godwin with evans gone i expect abuka to get more targets but the same
Speaker 4couldn't it be said of chris godwin i i think we really might be he's in the eighth round and this is a player here's why we're undervaluing him he's 30 years old and he didn't look very good last year no he didn't so it's like you don't expect those are good reasons to doubt some those are good reasons to doubt him but the doubt's already baked in he's in the eighth round yes so you're not you're you're already paying for oh he's not it but in camp the camp reports have been that chris godwin looks explosive that he's been oftentimes the number one wide receiver that there's been days where it's like he was easily the best receiver today and so yeah in the eighth round i i think early in the offseason i was i wouldn't have ever thought about drafting a share of
Speaker 5baker likes chris godwin yeah and in the seven games before the major injury he was 16 points a game in 2024 last year's kind of a lost season you look at it and you say i mean he's a 30 year old wide receiver that's a factor his yards per catch not where they were during his peak seasons but is he could he still be you know digs plus you know what i mean you could easily be a top 36
Speaker 3yeah top 30 uh wide receiver you should check out uh we have our mini series on our youtube youtube.com slash the fantasy footballers it's called just the tips it's a shorter form content the one from this past saturday was all about identifying situations for sleepers and a one chris godwin was mentioned in that show
Speaker 5yeah you you make a good point about it being baked in so that'll do it for today top 10 running backs tomorrow mock draft mayhem on thursday 10 tips and tricks do not miss the friday episode mayhem is back and the 10 tips and tricks i'm so excited about that on friday it should be a great rest of the week win the udk for life by picking up the ultimate draft kit by monday august 24th ultimate draft kit.com it'll help you win your league go get it goodbye
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