Fantasy Football - Fantasy Draft Redo + League Winners, Mailbag! - Podcast for 10/14

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Welcome in Wednesday October 14th the fantasy footballers podcast Jason Moore is here Mike the fantasy hitman I'm Andy Holloway have we ever considered you know so in college football the you yeah like we uh we all know that that is Miami yeah have we ever considered being like the pod the pod pod I like it I don't know man we're the there's nothing distinguishable there yeah the pod so we're just the podcast I don't know look we are also the fantasy footballers but but we were the podcast but we make a move f the I think just the podcast okay the pod just we're the podcast are we the or the you can do it either way I think is Ohio State is the yep college boy it's always the he's so quiet to you uh the magnificent you producers today Al Borland and the falcon in the back and uh we got a great show for you we got a fantasy draft redo on Josh was so good at being the executive that we he took the next week we let him go yeah uh NFL news to cover Thursday and I break down your questions in the mailbag as well and the community the magnificent community since that's the word of the night the word of the day is over at join the foot.com the foot clan access to the ultimate dashboard extra episodes premium tools all year long the place to be check it out join the foot.com uh the website is the fantasy footballers.com as well the website it is the website yeah yeah uh our megaloball top five right now if you're playing in the megaloball I'm realizing it might be bad for branding but it would be pretty cool yeah show me your touchdowns is first place uh pretty strange flowers in second and uh spanko well Andy was not sure if he was gonna read that one and then Mike's like spanko but it's also uh three two spanko three two yeah there's a lot of them southern boy 2003 in fourth place and uh what's the last one there bergforged bergforged um so there you go uh by the way the records of those I looked up my ranking because I've got two teams in the megaloball I'm eight two and ten and oh and I'm like I wonder where my ten and oh team you cheater with two teams well no people people are allowed in the megaloball I'm eight two and ten and oh and I'm like I wonder where my ten and oh team is but if there are there's a way there's a method I know and yeah I got I inherited an orphan team but I looked up my undefeated ten and oh team that is scoring a kajillion points every week I am in the top one thousand barely I'm like nine hundred most points is 832 and that team is nine and one so it doesn't you know your record is not the only thing that matters there is your I'm curious is your ten and oh team the team you drafted or the team that's orphaned I believe that's the team I drafted it's ironic because the team I orphaned and the team I drafted they're like so it's crazy similar I have like all the same core players yeah it'll be a good time we'll see who who breaks through and wins the megaloball this year by the way by the way you remember I was feeling really good yesterday yeah I was like I reclaimed I was like I kind of you're riding the high of the hole I recovered fine turns out turns out that's kind of a delayed soreness thing that happens well that makes the late onset muscle soreness doms right when all those doms you know it's a true fact yeah I mean what you've never done you never hit leg day and you're like it's okay and then two days you're like I can't sit on the toilet yeah but I'm you know go ahead andy's search history is just riddled with doms and rhabdomyosis right now I uh I might have gone to bed at like 6 30 last night good for you and um everything hurts all right into the news we go news and notes from around the league lamar jackson has a realistic chance to return to action on sunday against the browns mike please lamar as is a flowers manager oh please lamar that would be nice jacoby lane expected to return to practice and has a shot to play on sunday as well which will help lamar at some point here uh raheem sanders the browns running back who maybe had an opportunity he's on injured reserve yep so they are getting back um they brought in samson yeah they brought audrey estimi estimi audrey estimate they they stole him from the vikings practice squad however the news this morning was that dylan samson has been designated for return he will practice today I would imagine he will be he will jump to the top of the running back room should yep judkins miss time it seems like uh this is very very early on the week but based on the the injury and the timeline and all that and and the depth chart and the need uh I would say he's got a a legitimate chance to play this week dylan yeah we have a report about deandre swift he's been bothered by both a hip and knee injury I believe he he had his last snap eight minutes left in the game but the bears were already getting whooped so we're just monitoring deandre swift and manung guy and the running backs for the bears who have been banged up all year long dave canal said jaylen coker is on track to play in week six all right we like that that's big news and then trey harris week to week with the ham string that sounds like he's going to be dropped to dropped for fantasy teams yeah and then zach charbonnet has a legitimate chance to make a season debut in week seven he is there to do one thing ruin emmanuel wilson dude yeah the seattle running back room is there for one purpose for fantasy football pain just pain nothing but I mean walk up to the wall put your face to face with that wall kick your leg back throw it forward as hard as you can that's that's seattle running backs I like that we couldn't get value when we had kenneth walker there we couldn't get value when we had the first round jadarian price we couldn't really even get value from a very good charbonnet the only time we get true fantasy value like great success it's emmanuel wilson it's like the guy who wasn't even the backup this year to start the year that's when you get like you know supreme fantasy goodness yeah that's kind of depressing uh all right we have a fun uh segment here before we get into the thursday night breakdown in the mailbag we're gonna uh you know what we're five weeks in yeah we are going into week six also um I'm tired to I know you were swinging the club but bro I went to bed at like nine last night you got tired from your we were we were outside you did sprint down I did the entire hill I noticed that my uh my whoop picked up an activity and that was sprinting there was a lot of sitting for me on that day but then all of a sudden I I hit some sort of five strain from nine to nine twenty yeah we uh we usually golf wednesday mornings around here and it was crickets in that channel I'm everyone's dead golf and I'm dead also before we move on as a reminder it's a part it's an important time of the year for this but drop it like it's hot waivers go through today look who is dropped in your league it's because it is nothing is more infuriating than tomorrow realize whoa someone picked up wait he was there yeah be aware all right let's uh five weeks into the season let's see what would happen if we drafted today the fantasy footballers mock draft all right we are going to uh do a little exercise here I mean this is sort of a rest of season ranking situation for trades and things like that a little bit yeah um we're gonna draft two rounds worth of players rotating mike jason andy we'll go clockwise here mike you get the first pick and thank goodness if fantasy drafts happen today I don't want to be at that two spot yeah yeah I do drafts happen today let's see what would happen because um things have changed for a lot of players some some are right where they belong mike who's your number one pick ajamir gibbs will be uh he's from the detroit lions oh running back he does play the running back position I mean for all of the chaos that has gone on in the last couple of years I mean I think it's going to be as it always does at least the guys at the top are still going to be the top draft picks that I mean I feel like we have this episode a lot and you're like well the 102 maybe we draft him in the second round so I will take jameer gibbs all right that leaves jason with the number two overall pick here and our fantasy draft redo gibbs goes number one yeah this is uh this is where it would usually be bijan and I and I don't mind it being bijan we had uh some discussion about it but I think it's going to be a lot of fun I think it's going to be a lot of discussion yesterday I I'm going to give the edge to kenneth walker due to having one extra game I mean at this point first of all he is scoring more fantasy points than bijan he's scoring like significantly more on a per game basis and bijan's been amazing but he's also got a guaranteed another game you don't have to deal with a bye week and that's that's good enough tiebreaker for me the question was basically posed would you trade bijan for kenneth walker straight up now that you you're past a bye week I would and that's that that's feels crazy but yeah here we are I mean it's not crazy to me all right true believers oh mister I don't want the second pick I don't want to have to say it well I think I'm going to surprise you i'm not going bijan at three oh i've seen enough he seems fine and the chance that you win a title with him i think it's higher than bijan i'm taking i'm taking puka nakua wow whoa i'm taking puka nakua okay because i want to have the conversation wow um he's i get it i mean he's this is where it's extremely high but you know so you have gone now from you were the by far the most concerned about the pre-hernia yeah yeah and i don't like that he's still gonna be pre-hernia he is for the rest of the season pre-hernia he carries massive risk of hernia yeah i mean i i think he's going to be the number one wide receiver rest of season if he doesn't get hurt and that's what it comes down to and i think the difference it's going to be massive so uh you play to win the game sure you know you're taking the so i i understand that jsn per game has scored more we haven't seen puka for more than a couple of games here but i think that this is the reason puka was ahead of jsn for me pre-season and 24 targets later this last game i i'm convinced that he will be a difference maker of a different degree so i like you're splitting hairs between i think him jsn and and bijan here um and i don't blame anybody whatever order they want to put them in yeah you have the riskiest player with puka but have you seen anything wrong with him in the last two weeks no no i mean i don't think you'll you won't see it he'll just be gone but i'm with you i'm like i'm playing to win a championship right now so i don't mind that at all mike you're i'll take bijan though yeah you'll go bijan yeah at number four yeah so no thought of jsn who's 24 points no no not compared to bijan robinson not the the running back i should say the superstar three down brian robinson touchdown stealing it is so points per game wise right now just so people understand jamir gibbs is at 28 a game ken walker's at 26 uh puka nakua has played two games he's at or three games he's at 20.8 jsn's at 24 so jsn is scoring a couple points more per game than bijan bijan at a tougher spot to find players so um jason you are back on the clock with the fifth overall i'm back on the clock and it's it's pretty easy it's funny because um you know this is one like we we love jsn but i had jsn behind on the clock and i had jsn on the clock and i had jsn on and raw um and behind the puka jamar chase just to start the year all of them awesome wanted all of them but that would have been my my order and um because everything went perfect for jsn last year you know he he had so many receptions and so many yards per reception so many touchdowns the efficiency just was kind of impossible to repeat but emphasis on the kind of because he's repeating it um i would have taken him over puka i would have gone bijan then puka or bijan then jsn before puka obviously they're all great at the top but uh the the question has been answered you're taking jsn yeah jsn is absolutely outrageously and the question being the question can he repeat it can can he you know is is that really all him or was it a magical season it was all him at the sixth pick i'm actually going to pull the trigger on the running back seven right now it's a tight and close decision between jonathan taylor and james cook for me as the next best running back on the board i know derrick henry's ahead right now kyron's ahead chuba's ahead i'm taking jonathan taylor at pick six in the draft i actually think it's a semi goodbye opportunity on jonathan taylor he had a couple of like downish games relative to his standard because we have questioned kind of what is this offense going to be able to do uh he was rb 25 this week 15 for 43 didn't get into the end zone which is really bad for him and he's going to be able to do a lot of things he's going to rare he's a touchdown monster so i'm going to take jonathan taylor to compliment my puka at number three mike you are back on the clock with pick seven on our fantasy draft redo so i'm able to continue following my personal list um and despite the accusations uh from a head coach of punishment possible punishment for fumbling you're really going to reduce the workload for james cook no way you're joseph no joseph no you're not come on i know you you know that i know you get out of here james cook james cook at seven to my which i have i have cook above taylor i i totally get the the rationale if you want johnny taylor that that is fine but james cook is just he will be him and josh allen what's wild here is that through seven picks there's really just one name that wasn't in the original three picks and that's what's wild here is that through seven picks there's really six or seven names and that's kenneth walker like kenneth walker was a few clicks down probably you know anywhere from 8 to 15 in drafts but these other names gibbs walker puka bijan jsn taylor cook that's that's you know that's just the first count our blessings here first round is five weeks into the season it's worked pretty well because people haven't been injured and and the first round is they're all awesome um i'm back up on the clock here you've got great options at all there's still two uh wide receivers that are ahead of the bunch the question is jamar chase or amin raw to me love both of them i still think that the highest upside and honestly every single week this dude is just making an unbelievable like catch of the year style uh reception i'm gonna stick with jamar chase and the bangles offense i know the bangles defense has gotten better their offense has gotten off to a slightly slower start than we there are off to a bangle start but that's exactly right they're off to the bangles start they they are a offensive second half team you know when when uh they went nuclear a couple years ago it was really they still were off to a slow start that year so jamar chase is the pick yes that sucks i kind of i was hoping maybe somehow some way jamar chase would end up in my hands there i i think i think this is where it'd be more interesting to have this discussion i'm not settled on this pick i think amin raw is into consideration i think i'm not settled on this i think derrick henry who's normally a strong finisher who's right now the rb4 is in consideration but i want to have i'm just going to speak openly about it need to there's two actually i i know exactly can i say who you're gonna say yes you're gonna you're gonna ask where do brock bowers and josh allen yes i am along yes because it is a fully legitimate question i know that there is you know it's a onesie position you lose depth there is downside to taking those onesies over great players but there are not other bowers and you know there's a downside to taking those onesies out there josh allen it i would personally lean to the brock bowers over josh allen's side simply because replacing a tight end late is very difficult to do with with being able to actually get a lot of points you're kind of just hoping for a touchdown at seven or eight points when you're actually in your matchup whereas replacing a quarterback by no means can you replace a josh allen level quarterback but i can i can wield my way even off of a waiver wire to to a 20 23 point game um so just for context allen is five points ahead of the next closest quarterback right now in points per game and brock who's just been back for a couple of weeks is averaging 19.7 points per game and has looked ridiculous basically six points ahead of the tight end two this was i i felt stupid to start the year when he got injured and all that but this was preseason i thought brock bowers is one of the only guys that is truly a game breaker like break the system an all-time are you worried about what i'm worried about though and then those are the only guys that are truly a game breaker at the end of season playoffs mendoza taking over and then being in a position where pure passing volume is not going to be where it is right now so mendoza is um i think a worthy worry because it should probably happen i know that the raiders have had a great start to the season but at some point if they lose a bunch of games in a row they very well might turn to mendoza this year and that would be near the fantasy playoffs but mendoza's not a bad quarterback and brock bowers is too good he's going to be a good quarterback and he's going to be a good quarterback and he's going to be schemed as the number one i'm not that worried he's played with he's played with a bunch of crappy quarterbacks and been awesome and been you know tied into one on a per game basis so um i think he's worthy of being picked very soon yeah personally i wouldn't like go over amon raw who's just yeah i was gonna say i after all that discussion i'm gonna take amon raw saint brown at number nine uh the offense for the lions the best they've ever been through five weeks in history so i will take amon raw and you know but i think that i think that those other guys are going to be drafted very soon and that wasn't necessarily the case in the first early second before the season began but you know josh allen has just been ridiculous just ran for 120 yards or whatever it was so uh mike you're back on the clock so i just want my contribution when you guys are talking about the uh the tight end position and why it's not bowers for me right here uh do you guys so last year or i'm uh yeah so last year 2025 126 were receptions for trey mcbride all-time that's the all-time record you understand what the pace is right now for trey mcbride i don't 143 receptions and 10 touchdowns the yardage is not the same no the yardage is the yardage is is a couple hundred or like 150 yards lower but the point is yeah trey mcbride if you're talking pbr points we're we're juicing i was never in the camp that mcbride can't do what he did last year even though i know the passing was the all-time record well now their number one wide receiver's gone more Marv competition. Yeah, that's a good point, Mike. You are on the clock. I'm going to give you an extra second to think about it. We'll take a break and you can come back with pick 10. And we're back. I'm still on the clock here for our rest of season. I mean, it's kind of rest of season, but it is a fantasy draft redo. We're doing the first two rounds. And boy, oh boy. Like, I think the running back decision here is tough. Because Kyron is looking great. His utilization, especially in the receiving game, we're feeling excellent about that. But the Ravens offense, like, we haven't fully seen the like, we don't have five games of Lamar Jackson playing the entirety of Or is a flowers or that's what I'm like. We haven't the the mega glimpse. The Megazord has not completed right now. It's like the pieces are on their own. Mark Anders, a piece of the Megazord. Oh, like the feet of the toe. Yeah, I don't know. Pinky toe. The middle toe. He's not because you need your pinky. You need your big toe. The middle toe. I'm not sure how important that is. I'm I'm taking Henry. I don't blame you on Derek Henry here because he does. He just he only gets better. And I'm very, very excited. I'm very bullish on what's going on with the Ravens. That's what Jacoby Lane coming back. I do think it's a pretty big deal. Well, and really, it's the it's the three pack. I mean, it's it's when they flowers is healthy and Lamar Jackson is healthy and Derek Henry who's always healthy. We're playing rock paper scissors. Who are you going to do? Three or I mean, we saw it right to start season week one. Derek Henry was the number one running back. He was out the 24 carries 144 yards and three touchdowns. Granted, it was the Colts. But yeah, I don't I don't blame you taking Derek Henry there because I do think and he only gets stronger as the season goes on. It's the weather gets colder, dude, and you would do it like it's not a lot. But we have finally have an offensive coordinator who's like every now and then I wonder what would happen if we threw a screen pass to the locomotive and let's just find out what happens space. He has caught eight of his nine targets. Like I said, it's not a lot. However, eight receptions. He was at 15 for in 17 games last year. So like we're we're going to surpass that. Well, every now and then a little more every now and then one of those receptions turns into like a 60-yard touchdown. So that that little every now and then I'm like 10% of the time a little a little seasoning on the top of what Henry's going to do on the ground. Yeah, I'm pretty excited. I like that. I think that's absolutely worthy pick there. I mean, he's he's right behind Bijon in points per game. Right now, and that's including, you know, a game missed with, you know, with injury with Lamar for me. This is the spot I would I would consider CD lamb here. Obviously, I love Kyron. He is every bit worthy of this pick, but I do genuinely think that Brock Bowers is such a such a gap and a difference that you cannot replicate somewhere else. Even the even the crazy pace you're talking about. You know, with with trading bride in a full PPR league, McBride is averaging 18.2 fantasy points, which is outrageously high for a for a tight end 23.7 you're talking five points more than second than than an all-time. Yeah, Bowers three games if you if you map the mallet way Mike did he's at 136 receptions except the yardage is 168 yards and 700 yards significantly higher than no, he's he is a different level NFL player. Well, they just they what you want to see from a tight end that's going to be special and different is downfield targets like a wide receiver all the time and he's lining up in line and in the slot and running down the field and getting open and you know, 20 yards down the field. It's not just turnarounds and screens and stuff like that. He is their primary. He's a wide receiver. He is he's the wide receiver one. Now I would have taken Allen over him. So this works out for me. I'm taking Josh Allen. One last at the 12 spot is I would say the quarterback change for the Cardinals will happen. We don't know when they're going to remove head from derriere and just be like we got to we got to find out what's going on for next year, but it will it will happen Mendoza probably it probably happens. I'm far less concerned about Bowers with men, even though he's a rookie Bowers just gets it done with everybody Trey McBride has had other quarterbacks and it was good, but it was not what Jacoby has different now though. I mean the Cardinals wide receiver room has changed over the years and I think both guys are not like I wouldn't run from them with Beck and Mendoza coming in at some point. Yeah, I agree that Bowers I have on a different tier. Yeah, they're going to be I mean, I think I think Bowers I I mean Trey McBride is amazing. This is not an anti Trey McBride take but I think that Bowers is as a as a tight end as an athlete. He's just he is better than Trey McBride and that's how I feel about Mendoza is just a better quarterback than Carson Beck. Obviously the number one overall pick versus a third rounder. I'm taking Josh Allen right now. Josh Allen if you want to hear the pace, it's kind of comedic, but it's five games. I mean, it's 4200 passing yards. That's amazing 24 passing touchdowns. That's great for a mobile quarterback. It's 812 rushing yards. It's 27 rushing touchdowns. No, it's not it is. No, it's not so that doesn't make sense. But yeah, that's like on pace for basically what is that? That's 50 touchdowns. He is having another special season for fantasy purposes and his rushing touchdowns in five games 2 2 2 1 1. He doesn't even have a DJ more right now guys like when DJ more will help. He he's he's a very very good player who showed out before he got banged up Keon Coleman seems competent at this point and Joe Brady taking over the offense again. It's it's a lot like Declan Doyle in Baltimore. There's a level of kind of I know Joe Brady was offensive coordinator. Yeah, it's different though when you're the you get to be the head honcho. Yeah the philosophically they're leaning into their strengths more. I watched this highlight did you see if you watch the final drive of the bills game where they did drive down and kick the field goal Josh Allen just straight up changed place to where no one else knew on their own team. Like he made a decision on a run. James Cook was supposed to go off right right tackle you can see Allen at the line of scrimmage realize when he motions the guy over the left side is completely open. He pulls the ball in nobody else on the team knows this is happening and chooses to run up the left sideline by himself. He called his own number like four times on that drive ran for like 60 yards on the drive won the game and it's just I mean he had 10 carries for 121 in that game. Josh Allen keeps popping up on this show. Yeah, like I still firmly believe in the strategy of you don't want to use your draft capital on quarterbacks because you're when you do that you're betting on magic. You're betting on absolute magical season and Josh Allen is just the pixie dust never wears off. Apparently it's it's because we keep showing up in our fantasy in our in our draft redos feel like Josh Allen would be the consistent name who keeps jumping into the top two. Well, we we we talked about this preseason during the draft season Josh Allen the last like five years has been over 50% of no and he's been drafted in different spots. He's been a second rounder. He's been a six rounder. He has basically gotten the majority of people who have him into the playoffs on all formats. So he's never been a bad pick. He's outside of you know, his rookie and sophomore year. He's never been a bad pick and here we are first round done four of these players are on Andy's super team disgusting and yes, I I know you could say it when it happens Mike you're on the clock Jameer Gibbs Kenneth Walker Puka Nakua Bijan Robinson JSN Jonathan Taylor James Cook Jamar Chase I'm on Ross St. Brown Derek Henry Brock Bowers Josh Allen second round begins now Mike who you got if you're looking at the wide receivers in terms of just who are left in points per game. Oh who's that? There's a guy at the top there Christian Watson. Oh, would you really take Christian Watson over? No, I'm not I'm not going to I'm I just wanted to point it out that like he is definitely in the discussion in this round, but I was I was very close between Henry and Kyron. So with Kyron still being their points per game is very similar and I don't see it stopping for Kyron. So I'm going to take him here. I feel very I love very confident in Kyron is my running back one. I love that. I thought you were going to take a different player, but I do love the I mean, Kyron deserves the respect. He he is really, really good. They paid him a lot of money. He's always been a running back one in fantasy and he's never ever gotten the respect. It's always like I don't believe it. It's going to be a timeshare. I will do it now. Andy, I will take your fifth player. Oh, CD Lamb. I have five of the top 14 on my team. Yeah, that's crazy. It is. No, I think the word you're looking for is disgusting. CD Lamb at 14. CD Lamb at 14. I do. I think that this is a player who is still every bit in his prime we saw that with the crazy game of you know 20 targets a couple games ago uh the dallas defense is as bad as it was last year their offense has looked uh i mean they're still a great offense you know even in the the nuclear year uh several years ago when cd lamb was the number one wide receiver you always are going to have some down games uh cd lamb can have games like you know jsn like puka like cd lamb um he can have games like himself yeah yeah no i'm taking christian mccaffrey at this yes okay that's who i thought mike would take over at the 15 like it hasn't been i don't it's wild they're they're undefeated he scored in every game except for one he's playing the vast majority of snaps except when he had cramps uh but but you also are not you know this is what we saw a little bit of last year he's not giving you big plays you don't get the breakaway runs you don't get the monstrous plays um but i mean let's just look for for a moment here it's the receptions that are killing me so here's problem one he's on pace for 972 rushing yards yeah in a 17 game season that's very low well because the rushing attempts were at 200 oh last year he did get to 1200 yeah that's what i'm saying that's a pretty big deal like 207 attempts that's lower than you'd expect 972 rushing yards that's lower than you expect touchdowns are fine catches 64 a little lower yeah he's been at the 80 90 range so and what's the yard receiving yard pace just 465 that's that's lower they're all lower but they're all when you put them all together they're very good his longest play of the year is 16 yards in five weeks so that's not necessarily look that is a declining but still hyper valuable player i love the fact that you get a running back on a winning team and maybe there's some management here going on in the terms of like the playoff run so i'll take i mean mccaffrey at 15 feels like a value it definitely does and it's it's just it's the receptions with five weeks and wide receivers just just plummeting off of their depth chart i was pretty surprised to see what he's three receptions the last two weeks yeah three three four that's his past three weeks i just it's a little it's a little weird that that's not even that's what i'm saying so but to take a year is good brock purdy is the number two quarterback right now so like it's they're five and oh and brock purdy's the number two quarterback and christian mccaffrey is currently the running back 11 mike evans getting them touchdowns away from mccaffrey yeah he is all right 17 is not enough for you receiving touch uh mike i'm taking zay flowers yeah that's who i that's probably who i would i am taking zay flowers so that's they just i don't disagree at all but that's zay over watson that's they over nico um over justin jefferson over chris olave olave is man he's he's gonna be picked very soon yeah uh he might be picked right here you're talking about olave yeah i mean justin jefferson is an interesting conversation because you know when when he was drafted in the first round it was like we're forgiving the bad quarterback play he comes out to start the year and it's like dude he should have been higher he should have been higher in the first round he's he is him and now kyler's back and it's like oh man like if carson wentz was his quarterback we're just we got 79 with a touchdown it's not bad jefferson will be picked before the end of this round yes yes it is um but like to say for sure to say like should i take nico or chris olave or justin jefferson is not what you were saying yeah before the season um i you know i i think that that's and it's a worthy conversation and i'm gonna take i'm gonna take the i'm gonna take chris olave i i really believe he is a dominant uh wide receiver on a fast-paced team that gets extra plays because of kellen moore's system um shuck looks like the real deal obviously down week this last week but we all saw kind of this wasn't like oh no he just this was the minnesota it's like no one played shuck you had to play olave you had to be real desperate to do it right because that minnesota defense um i don't think that's the norm i think that the previous four games were the norm so yeah i'll pull the trigger on olave give me trey mcbride give me trey right here uh you get him i mean him and bowers took discussion before the season they were very close together they were both you know more second round range but give me mcbride at 18 overall where was his adp relative to where he was just now picked lower he was uh i want to say he was third you i feel like you could get bowers i think it was bowers in the second and mcbride in the third so both great values yeah it's funny looking at the landscape here obviously jefferson is in consideration you've got running backs like swift and jenty um chase brown was off the board a lot in a lot of leagues by here i thought about it but it's been slower for him but i think mcbride you just look at it's funny because you shift five weeks into the season and i look at more less aspirational more guaranteed what is the guaranteed production of these players and almost everybody taken here i don't see an aspirational situation there's nobody that's like what if he breaks out at this point it's all what have you done for me lately what will you do for me in the future how do i guarantee production so train mcbride stands out in that uh capacity whereas you know chase brown uh you know it could it could ramp up the way you were talking about chase in the offense but it's been slower than i expected i am i'm i'm moderately concerned about what's going on with chase brown they've been involving p ryan more and this past week they did doing well with it and then the comments coming out about we're going to take a look and at the running game there there has been i will say this i was i'm i'm not in the dark about that yeah i'm not very worried and i will probably be taking him if he gets to my next pick but from a dynasty perspective he is he's in the last year of his contract and we expected kind of an extension to come if this year doesn't go well this now worries me for his value like if if he's not a a by himself bangle the way he's been the last two years his fantasy value is nothing i mean by comparison to what it's been the last two all right pick 19 mike all right here's where we're going to take christian watson everybody okay this is i mean look three top 10 weeks jump three top 10 weeks already under his belt it's hard to argue with him when you look at the other names you could select what i i mean what i heard justin jefferson yeah yeah i'd rather have him than jefferson nico is one i think i was between nico and christian watson because nico up far more proven both are injury risks it feels like it um i don't know what the texas schedule is but i just know that dallas detroit carolina and the patriots are the next four weeks for christian watson so i think that in a month from now it might be like well shoot we should have moved christian watson into the first round yeah no i i uh i think you found the right spot for him here in the redrafts and i don't blame you at all jason you're back on the clock here pick 20 five picks left in the draft i wish i was three picks later why you don't want to make decisions um no because the guy that i want to the guy that i want to take here feels a little hot um and and nico not taking nico not taking justin jefferson feels like okay that's crazy but i'm like who would i really who would i really really want on my team um i'm and it's really it's not even jefferson it's between nico and christian watson and i'm like who would i really really want on my team and this guy but i i believe the parker washington breakout i know we had the down game i think i think spice parker washington's basically a top 10 wide receiver so i'm gonna pull the trigger parker yeah i i mean i i can see that it's an interesting situation there i i have no problem with it i'll go nico collins yeah i'll take nico collins next feels like a value i'm very impressed with with stroud um i think that it's just gonna get better when you have your sacrificial acts arriving but no i mean i'll i'll take uh i'll take nico here at 21 i i love that now names just so i i'm gonna just flag some names three you've got one pick left one pick left names that haven't come off the board ashton jenty yet to be drafted um i think that's the him and chase brown are the standout names running back and giovante williams deserves i agree then justin jefferson at wide receiver obviously but then you've got nico and christian watson and i'm gonna pull the trigger and you've got like davante adams has been dominant tetero mcmillan garrett wilson mike evans like those are some names to mention and then you know i'll just be honest before i'm on the clock i truly believe i'm looking at who's leading the way at quarterback and pick 24 seems like a spot where i would take lamar jackson yeah um i think i think mike is right we have not seen the full megazord the full you know uh the the glove of thanos has not been filled with every jewel right um but i think you look at who's there do i think brock purdy's going to be two at the end of the year do i think jared golf bryce young no i i think caleb could come back and be involved in the discussion but you know jayden daniels mahomes burrow look lamar i think has the best potential of all the remaining quarterback names to be a standout difference among the other guys now he needs to be healthy so i don't like him coming back from an injury that's like an ankle that may limit his work yeah but that those are some of the names i'll throw out there and there could be more all right uh before i take my pick i do need to i say i do need to apologize to all the marvel people out there i'm proud of the fact i mispronounced it if i'm honest you know how i feel about these movies that's a weird thing to be proud of who's it's it's doubled down or be wrong yeah you know it's like well said one of the movies that just made well i don't know it was at the highest gross are we back are we back at the highest grossing film of all time i don't know i will say this it is being anti-marvel is fine because there are there are plenty of of you know marvels they're not perfect they're not they're not all great but being anti the uh no that movie was great in game in game was great wars combos that's crazy no i mean how many movies are there how many marvel marvel 823 yeah yeah i think i think uh there are some standouts i love guardians of galaxy the first one we're about to be so back in december brother we are oh yeah you think so we are so i thought some people like previewed that and it was like people weren't receiving i haven't heard any anything good or bad but there are currently 38 released that's about 35 of them are pretty bad to me for me get out of here this is nonsense well so if you're on the highest grossing if that's what makes the day for you mike so like avatar is two of the highest four grossing ever avatar one that has to be international yes of course avatar one was awesome dude with the 3d glasses yeah it was like avatar the the plot has been lost well i mean listen we found out yesterday baywatch is the most gross movie the single highest watch show of all apparently there was 1.1 billion per week in its peak the original baywatch i was blown away by this it's it's statistically the most popular show of all time yeah because it's because those things went international like all of these go a little international to be great but like baywatch was monumentally international i mean there's a reason why like david hasselhoff is there's people listening to our show right now who are like is baywatch right here because because they're mostly in the u.s now baywatch was popular here by the way avengers in game 69.3 of its global earnings were um international international yeah that makes sense so i mean how much what was the percent of avatar no i'm just curious oh no the world loved this movie i don't it's not my point this is just good information was making the point that international is what drives all the numbers of them like it also drove that up yeah no i'm baywatch and and avatar specifically i'm curious what was avatar especially the second one because the first one was huge here yes i don't remember the second one being that big it was five yes 71 to 73 percent of avanars avatar's revenue is international it was it was a gigantic and it's the same for all of them yeah from from the first to the second to the third but um what in the world are we talking about we're talking about fantasy football final pick for mike final pick for jason man make the make the call i gave you enough uh yeah this one well i was thinking about marvel yeah this one is tough lamar is in play um at the running back position giovante is in play even though it's still a little disgusting a little bit the fact that deandre swift is banged up right now don't love that or he would he'd be in consideration for me i'm very in on swift um and then wide receivers it's between two it's between ted aroa mcmillan and garrett wilson for me yeah yeah i mean i think they belong there i'm just i'll i'm gonna go ted aroa all right ted aroa mcmillan mike at 22 jason you're on the clock at 23 um all right i'm between chase brown justin jefferson and garrett wilson i i think i would take jeff jefferson over garrett wilson by one point i think i would take jeff jefferson over garrett wilson by one point i think i would spot and running back scarcity i'll take justin jefferson yeah it's the right call i probably should have taken him over mcmillan i'll take ashton gentry at 24 oh that one i would not do yeah i mean ashton gentry even with the i mean he's sitting here at 13 right now at running back but he's been banged up the workload he's gonna be banged up all year it's possible but um i mean even even looking at that he's on pace for 75 catches 299 attempts um he hasn't had a rushing touchdown on the ground i mean the the numbers for gentry based on workload you got to look at what's going to happen based on percentages that workload is is better than anybody else that we're going to get um between the receiving and running nobody's going to get the workload that that's probably gentry will get rest of season so i'm going to lean on that but the final 12 here kyron cd cmc zay flowers crystal lave trey mcbride christian watson parker washington nico ted mcmillan justin jefferson and gentry guys that kind of dropped out we're up in that group chase brown omari and hampton uh we're in that group i i feel like maybe drake london got forgotten about yeah i think there's a chance that drake london got forgotten about definitely got forgotten about yeah he's in my he's in my list here yeah and neighbors maybe i think maybe those can we redo the redo oh my gosh drake london how did he just get forgotten i don't know i mean i just noticed it oh my god i mean i would have taken jefferson i would have taken london over mcmillan for sure and parker would you have taken drake london over zay flowers yes i would i would have taken him right after cd lamb for me i don't how did that you took a lave instead these things happen wow so there's too many lists i mean we're doing it live too many let's take a break and we'll jump into the mailbag and by mailbag i mean breaking down the thursday night game thursday night breakdown the seattle seahawks at three and two take on the three and two denver broncos in denver seahawks minus two and a half over under a whopping 40.5 and you kind of understand it um two defenses that are pretty good right game for bo nicks am i right no you're wrong uh bo nicks 21st and passing yards 23rd and passing touchdowns has three picks um the film is bad sometimes it's just the stats and a guy's playing well i don't think bo nicks is playing very well and you have two different play callers right now sean payton took over and it didn't look any better and the salve does not feel like the seattle seahawks super bowl champions coming to town i can tell you i'm playing my seahawks d this week yeah i feel very fearlessly uh starting them their seventh against quarterbacks third against wyatt outs ninth against tight ends you'll see more jk dobbins this week it was a good week opportunity wise for him he would be your um your one potential play i think i i think so based off of there a lot was made about uh play calling shifting back to sean payton yeah it shifted away from rj harvey and then we got a heavy dose of jk dobbins wasn't as he's he is clearly hurt too i mean of course he's jk dobbins but just where the juice is not there like a healthy jk dobbins is a is a fantastic so would you start him this week and by the way jaylen waddle is one of the most popular start sits on the website because the questions that i mean they're not it's not like jaylen waddle or drake london it's jaylen waddle or yeah jeremy bernard no the i'm okay with dobbins because of just the the running back streets are always tough but other than that i'm taking my stance that i threw out on monday or tuesday of just i'm not playing broncos i'm not playing broncos i'm not playing chargers i would not be trying to play jaylen waddle at all you've had one out of five games that you've been happy with there are a lot of players out there that i would much rather put in there i mean uh trey tucker is a great play this week oh this is a disaster yeah it's it is it's what are we doing i will say this i mean this is not a player that you can drop uh i would not drop waddle we we talked a lot about jaylen waddle but jaylen waddle is a player that you can drop a lot about how difficult the schedule is part of why i'm not offensive mastermind if if if the for him if the broncos were playing the dallas cowboys or the detroit lions right now i would be like you must start jaylen waddle i know he's been bad this is he's been bad and he's playing against the seahawks um it does open up a little bit after this i mean they play arizona next week they play carolina a couple weeks after that they play the raiders and the dolphins and the jets and the raiders like it it gets a little bit easier so i agree with you this week i am 100 not playing anyone outside of jk dobbins and dobbins is only because you pretty much usually need your running backs uh and then but what about the seahawks side i mean they're usually easy too i mean the one place that the broncos have been vulnerable this year is the running game emmanuel wilson i think you can start i wouldn't worry about a lot of you know charbonnet won't be back this week right he could play uh they said that was week seven yeah you're right so play jsn i'd play emmanuel wilson i would too and then i'd pretty much be logging out of this game yeah and then play the seahawks defense and honestly i do think you can also play denver's defense too darnold has still been uh an interception machine so you can you can get fantasy points all right let's jump into the mailbag mailbag all righty let's jump in we've got your questions here trying to get you ready for the week i've got a couple voicemails here Let's start with one. Hi, Ballers. I'm currently two and three in my league with Jordan Tyson, Jadarian Price, and Travion Henderson on my bench. If I need to drop one of them, which one would you drop and why? Thank you all. What do you think? Jordan Tyson, Jadarian Price, and Travion Henderson. Who would you drop of those three? Henderson, to me, he is the one I'm not dropping for sure because his injury is short-term. He had some explosiveness when we saw him. Now Price versus Tyson, that's interesting, right? We saw Price out there with the opportunity, and he didn't score fancy points. Now he's on IR. His injury came later. Jordan Tyson has the hopeful upside, but his injury seems even more significant. We still feel like we're a month away from Tyson. Yeah, exactly. I think they have a week eight bye. You just have to drop one? Yes. I'd drop one of them. I know. It's so easy to start. Look, I wouldn't drop Tyson. I think that would be the one I wouldn't drop. I would drop Price. I mean, let's just be honest here. If you have to, put everything for Price is the path. Travion Henderson has one play this year. Yeah? One play. Yes. He's played four games. He has one play this year. So more than Jadarian Price. You sure? I mean, you can. I don't think Price is. I think Price and Travion should both probably go. But at running back, yeah, I'd drop Price. That's my final answer. The problem for Price is just what is the path? What is the path? I mean, you're going to miss a few more games just because of the rules. Now you have Charbonnet. And by the time Price is back, Charbonnet should be acclimating. And you're telling me Emmanuel Wilson is going away? Emmanuel Wilson has to have played his way into work. This team wants to use every running back they can. And Emmanuel Wilson. I'm going to say something here. Except for Salami. That I think is true for all three. Salami's gone bad. The path for all three players is injury. That is it. Yeah. I don't see a path. My personal take. You guys have a difference on this one. I don't see a path for Tyson to be relevant for your fantasy team when Vele, Olave, and Johansson are active, all healthy. I see no path for Price without injury. I see no path for Travion without injury. I agree with two-thirds of those. Now, the Travion almost had. Travion was almost there. I know. Last week, we were supposed to have no Ramondre. It was time. He gets hurt, and Ramondre's fine and scores double-digit fantasy points. The problem for Price is even with an injury, there isn't a path. He needs two injuries. I think if Charbonnet was injured and they didn't have Emmanuel Wilson. If Emmanuel Wilson was hurt, Price would have a nice committee role. He could be RB25. It would be like Walker. Yes, exactly. He could be RB25. But a path to dominance? Zero path for Charbonnet. Or Seahawks. Travion could dominate if he was back and there was no Ramondre. But I bet you they'd use other guys, too. Yeah, Mike and I still have belief that Jordan Tyson, second half of the year, could play his way over Vele. They spent the number eight pick on him. This is not the— But what is that? What's the ceiling there? Just so I know. I think the ceiling is like a weekly wide receiver 15. Yeah, I'd say a weekly top 24 guy. Well, Vele's had the ability to do that, so if you think he replaces him, it makes sense. But, yeah, those are wild. Yeah. You try to craft the narrative in your mind of what happens to make them great, and it's tough with all of them. When you're making that narrative, you always get to, can't cut that guy. Can't cut that guy. I want to answer this question, actually, because I wanted to talk about this guy. This is from the website. This is D in Canada. Not sure where, but we'll say bonjour anyways. Hey, guys, love the pod. Stinky question for you. Jordan Mason is on my waiver wire, and Hampton seems to be a landmine for me. Should I drop Hampton and pick up Mason, as he might be overlooked being on bye this week? Omari and Hampton removed from the can't cut list by Yahoo. You are now allowed to drop him. I didn't bring it up because I didn't know if you could handle it. I can handle it. I bring this up more for the Jordan Mason side as opposed to the Hampton side. Jordan Mason, so the Vikings are on bye this week, and Jordan Mason is eligible next week. Yeah, he'll be back in week seven. And it was his thumb, so it's like he could still be conditioning this whole week. The whole entire time. I would rather have Mason. And that's where I, Jordan Mason is a sneaky guy to get on you. If he's on your waiver wire, I would be, yes, that's an instant ad. Out of all the waiver wire things we talked about this week, I'm like, well, maybe Damian Pierce. I'm like, if Jordan Mason were there, I'd be picking him up to stash because I think he comes in. At worst, it's back to a full-time share where I would give the edge for touchdowns to Jordan Mason at best. Aaron Jones has been getting a lot of utilization as an old guy, and him breaking down before the end of the year seems the most likely outcome. One of these situations is an undefeated football team that leans on the running game. The other one is a disaster, winless football team that has a guaranteed, unchangeable committee of pain that will not be, I mean, you're not seeing, the best play in the running game last week was Kamani Vidal, Sassoon. Yeah, so silky. Very smooth. It was. He was on that trip. Vidal can play. I mean, it's funny because you watch that and you're like, I don't think the other two guys would have made that play. I don't think so either. And it's depressing, but the pathway for Jordan Mason having a touchdown every week is right there. Yeah, he's not a pass catcher, but he's going to get a lot of work. There was also talk this week about the excitement of getting Mason back and his involvement and that they're going to lean on him. He's on a lot of my teams in the IR. I completely think he needs to be on the IR. He needs to be picked up. Now, dropping Hampton versus, you know, your lowest ranked wide receiver, I mean, there are plenty of running backs on my team that I still choose not to drop who are just straight backups. They're not even getting work. Woody Marks has been on the roster the whole entire year. Like, I can't imagine dropping Omari and Hampton for Mason. That's not to say Mason isn't better. But if you had to, would you do it? Does Mike's point about it being the thumb and not being any of the, you know, it's not a leg injury. Yeah, no, I know. I won't talk about it. Don't talk. You make your call. I don't think I would. I don't think I would drop Hampton for Mason. But there's a lot of players I would drop for Mason. And I think you should pick up Mason. So if you had Hampton and you saw Mason out there, you would keep Hampton? I would drop a wide receiver. No, that's not an option. There's got to be a different path. That's not an option. There has to be another path. The question is would. It's that binary. Yeah, if it's just that, I would not. If you have Hampton on your team, would you drop him to pick up Mason? And I would do that. Mike, you have to answer. I guess you did. You have to answer. Yeah, I don't think I would. Okay. Nice. I don't even know what that means. All right. No one knows what it means, but it's provocative. It's a verbal hedge. Voicemail question coming in. Hey, Bowers. Matt from North Carolina here. And Parker Washington has personally been shopping me. I'm curious. Rest of season, what group do you put him with? Love the show, guys. I feel like we answered it. We told you, apparently. Above Drake London. Yeah, I mean, above. I don't think any. Would you take neighbors? And London ahead of Parker Washington? Yes. Yes. It's so funny. But he's in there with Ted McMillan. It's so funny, guys. So we have our rest of season rankings that we work on every week. We have a show doc that has information. I was working in our show doc for this draft, and I didn't pull up my rest of season rankings. I love my rest of season rankings. I'm like, oh, I should have gone by this, which had Drake London, then Chris Olave, then neighbors, then Parker Washington, who is at 10. But I see him as a wide receiver one rest of season. Website question from Nolan in Aberdeen, Washington. Hey, ballers. Who do I flex this week? Jeremy Bernard against the Tampa Bay defense or Roma Dunzey against Atlanta in Atlanta? My gut is telling me Bernard would like to hear your thoughts. Love the show. It sounds like Caleb Williams is going to be back. Full participant today. There was some really encouraging news. So with that, I would lean the Roma Dunzey side in hopes that you get the Bears great offense. I would, too. Yeah, I would. Jeremy Bernard, very exciting. He's on watch right now. Exciting pickup. Yeah. So like the next question, though, this one I think is harder. It's from Chris. Would you start Jeremy Bernard or Emeka Ibuka? Well, Emeka Ibuka has a quarterback upgrade, right? Because he got a touchdown last week. Nah, I'm just kidding, Baker. Okay, all right. It's just so ironic that his best game in like a year comes when Baker's not there. Well, it's funny because without that touchdown, which, by the way, was not a pass. So if you want to say the quarterback. It was an in the ring. I mean, that was an in the round. Other than that, nine targets turned into 38 yards for Ibuka. I have no problem if you go Jeremy. I'd probably go Ibuka, but like I said, I have no problem if you want to give it a shot with Roman Wilson and Pittman out. I don't think you're going to get double touchdown for our youth again. Jeremy could have nine targets easily, and they might be better. I don't mind it. And Aaron Rodgers is playing great, Mike. Did you know that? He's playing great. I think he's playing good. I picked up Aaron Rodgers in a week's play. Jason says that. That's him. Wait, what? That is an about face right there. That is an about face. Where's my button? Yeah, find it. What did he say? What? Well, I had two quarterbacks on by, and there were very few quarterbacks out there. What were some of their names? Cam Ward. I mean, I could go look. Way to throw out the lowest one. No, the only other one. And say that again the same way. Cam Ward. Yeah, disgusting. Rodgers, he's playing good football. - Yeah, I'm just so curious. - Okay, how about Jason? He would not have had a waiver where a pickup from the Steelers at wide receiver be the number one on your list. Nor would you be playing Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, I mean, I was close between Michael Penix, the injury. Penix against Chicago, I think, would be good if he's playing. The news I saw was that he's supposed to practice. And then it was Daniel Jones, Deshaun Watson. And so, you know, Aaron Rodgers against Tampa Bay, that's the category he's in. I mean, I'm not – I don't hate Aaron Jones – or Aaron Rodgers. I don't hate Aaron Jones. I just think the numbers we have seen in the last few weeks are probably not going to continue. Well, I don't think any of us disagree with that. I don't think he's throwing – what's three times 17? What is that, touchdown-wise? Yeah, that was almost 60. 51 touchdowns or something. All right, tomorrow we've got Starts of the Week matchup previews, Thursday night recap as well. And we'll get into the matchups and the Wheel of Shame on Friday. Good luck. Putting the pieces together. Hopefully your waiver wire went well. You can set your lineup for Thursday night. Make sure those guys are ready to go. A.J. Brown will return to practice. Yes! Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. 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