Fantasy Football 2026 Rankings: BIGGEST ARGUMENTS, Flag Plants & Sleepers

Scott Barrett and I are breaking it down today with our friend Jared Smola from Draftsharks, who is one of the sharpest guys in the industry. And today we're going to talk about some arguments we're having on the rankings end. [Music] Ha ha, let's do it. That's the old cheat. [Music] We're looking at fantasy points ranking versus draft shark ranking for a couple of polarizing players. And we have some interesting discrepancies in the rankings. And we're always talking about the value of fantasy points rankings. But the stuff that Jared Smola is putting out over draft sharks is incredibly sharp, really high level fantasy football knowledge over there. So, Jared, welcome back to School of Scott. You crush it every time you're over here. You're incredibly generous with your time over on the fantasy points network. You've come on with multiple shows with me this off season already. What do you have cooking this time of year in June over draft sharks? I'll tell you what, I'm on fantasy points data every day. So, I feel like, oh you guys little content in return for all that good stuff you guys are doing. So, appreciate you having me back on. Yeah, we're in the midst of our draft sharks, our player profiles, season previews that we do. That basically takes like all of May and even into June. These are like super detailed player profiles we do on basically every fantasy relevant player. I think we do like, 250 of them. So, those are starting to hit the player pages. You'll find some of the team preview articles up on the homepage now as well. So, that's kind of what we're doing now, which I love, because I do my initial player projections right after the Super Bowl. But then doing these player profiles, I find new stuff on all these guys that has us altering projections as we're doing it even deeper dive on all these players and all these teams. So, Scott, we talk about it and we're going to talk about sort of where we have guys projected today over on fantasy points versus where Jared has them projected over on draft sharks. What's the difference between like a projections and rankings? Because I think people get into it this time of year and the Jared, your thoughts on this as well. Like, we talked about this in the pre show where you're like projections are not rankings. Why do you clarify on that? You're asking me, yeah, this is something Chris and I talk about constantly where like I look at his, his Jacobi Myers ranking relative to BTJ relative to Parker Washington. I'm like, Parker Washington is going to break the leagues this year. Jacobi Myers is like just a guy from a fantasy perspective. And, you know, the argument that Chris is going to make is like, yeah, well, you're ranking these players where you should draft them to win your league. I'm just the baseline median projection. And it's like, yeah, Jacobi Myers range of outcomes relative to this, you know, projection is like plus or minus 10 points, right? And Parker Washington is plus or minus 80 points. And upside wins championships in fantasy football. But you need to have good projections, which is why if you're drafting this summer, I highly recommend you follow my draft guide, my rankings where I'm going to be using Chris's projections. Chris's had the best DFS projections in the industry last year. They're excellent. I'm going to use that as the baseline. And then adjust up or down based on, you know, remembering that upside is more valuable than downside is detrimental and baking that into my rankings. What about your thoughts on this, Jared? And I heard JJ Zacharyson talking about it this week over on one of his pods. We'll definitely have him back on this channel at some point soon. But do you sort of echo Scott's thoughts on this one? Or are you seeing it pretty much the same way in the in the projections versus rankings where you go and look at the rankings over draft sharks. They're not going to completely line up on the projections. Yeah. So I agree with everything Scott said. Now we do it differently on draft sharks where our projections are our rankings. And the biggest reason we do that is that we can tailor our rankings to your league scoring system, right? So if you're going to go on draft sharks, you're going to punch in your league scoring system. It's going to take that scoring system, apply it to our projections and spit out customized rankings for you. Now what we do to kind of, you know, combat the issue of, you know, wanting to weigh upside more in rankings and projections is we have we have ceiling projections and floor projections for every single player, along with a likelihood of hitting that ceiling. And that's all baked into the actual rankings you're going to see on draft sharks. We called our 3D player value. It's going to take in to account the baseline projection, the floor and ceiling kind of weigh that all into a algorithm algorithm and you'll spit out that final ranking for you. So we're really doing the same thing. I think just just in slightly different methods. Yes. We're going to get into some of the players that we might be a little bit different on right now in the process. But before we do that, yesterday, Scott and I were joined by Brett Whitefield as well as Graham Barfield. And we covered a number of player debates and a number of topics that we think are very important for fantasy managers in 2026. One of them was about traded wide receivers. And I had a very bullish take on AJ Brown, now a New England patriot. Where are you at with AJ Brown? Your enthusiasm level for him. And when you talk about like his ceiling versus floor type outcomes, how are you viewing that right now? Yes. So Brown comes in as our wide receiver nine right now. He's very close to wide receiver seven. We have Drake London and Nico Collins just ahead of him. If I was drafting today, I'd probably push AJB ahead of Nico Collins even. I don't think I can get him ahead of how to drink. Drake London. I love Drake London. But with AJB, I think it's true that he's a declining player. You want to look at a bunch of different metrics. His yards per out last year was a career low. But it was still 2.06 last year. That was 17th best among 76 wide receivers with 50 plus targets. You want to look at some of the fantasy points data. Brown was 23rd among those 76 and separation score. He was 13th among those 76 in win rate. So yes, he is past his peak at this point. I also think he's still a really good wide receiver. And I think most importantly, I think this is the best situation of his career. Here's where AJ Brown's NFL teams have ranked in passing yards as a pro over his first, you know, what, seven seasons now. 21st, 23rd, 24th, 9th, 16th, 29th, and 23rd last year's Patriots without AJ Brown ranked fourth in passing yards. I think this is his best situation in terms of pass volume, in terms of quarterback play and Drake May. So even though, again, I don't think Brown is at the peak of his powers, I think he's in for a big fantasy season as the, you know, clear number one target in this Drake May lead passing game. Yeah, I love how you broke that down. I've also talked about sort of the Josh McDaniels has overseen offenses with older wide receivers who led the NFL and touchdown scoring. It could be three times the charm here with AJ Brown, sought with Randy Moss. We sought with Devonte Adams. And now we could see it again with AJ Brown. Scott Barrett, have we broken you down yet? I mean, you've heard, you've heard the positivity coming out of Grand Barfield, me and now Jared Smola. Are you starting to get a little more enthusiastic about AJ Brown? Are you going to be a hard liner here? Listen, I think that's a phenomenal argument. You know, when I saw that tweet come out, I'm like, damn, that's really persuasive. But I mean, if we're talking about Drake London, no, like I have Drake and London head and shoulders above AJ Brown. I do worry about this degenerative knee condition that the Patriots themselves have come down and said is like, yeah, yeah, we flag this, but we're trying to win the Super Bowl in Drake Mays, while he's still under his rookie contract. It scared the Rams off. So, I certainly see the upside. But when you're talking about a Drake London, no, I have Drake London, like head and shoulders above AJ Brown. Oh no, Drake London, 100% over AJ Brown. How about Jared's thoughts on like a Nico Collins versus an AJ Brown? Yeah, I think, yeah, I think I would go AJ Brown. Okay, so there we go. So Scott, you are by definition slightly bullish if you're going AJ over over Nico Collins there, because I think that that's sort of a polarizing player debate. Let us know in the chat, are you AJ Brown or are you Nico Collins this season? Let's talk about another kind of player, really a teammate debate. And we're going to talk a little bit later about Jacobi Myers. But let's look at BTJ Brian Thomas Jr. versus Parker Washington. Parker Washington has been really like a red hot name in the streets. Scott Barrett's been all over Parker Washington since the NFL draft. He revealed Parker Washington as this huge dynasty trade target that he wanted everyone to go out and trade for. And since that is happened, Scott, his value has spiked up for sure. There's a lot of enthusiasm with Parker Washington. And you, but you have BTJ, who was a wide receiver one as a rookie in 2024. And now you've got Parker Washington. Their ADPs are converging. They're side by side in FFPC. And they're very close to one another on underdog. Both of these guys sort of in that late sixth round early seventh round value, depending on what format you're playing in. Do you have a player between the two of these that you strongly believe is the better value right now, Jared? I mean, in full PPR, we have Parker Washington. Well, we have Parker Washington, wide receiver 30. We have Brian Thomas Jr. wide receiver 41. That is going to get closer and half PPR. I think that scoring system is going to favor Brian Thomas, more who I do think is still going to be know that the big playmaker and the better touchdown threat for the Jags. But I mean, just look at what they did last year. Parker Washington was just better than Brian Thomas. by any metric you want to look at. Yards per out, targets per out, fantasy points, separation score, ESPN receiver score, Parker Washington was just the better player. And you can say Brian Thomas was hurt, I think that's fair. But I think Parker Washington is pretty clearly an ascending player in some of this Jags coaching staff, which I think is one of the best offensive staffs in the league is very high at this point. There's been positive buzz on both these guys this spring, especially Brian Thomas, which I have, I think has been encouraging, because I think that's kind of what you wanted to hear, coming off such a disappointing 2025 for him. But if you even look at the buzz on Brian Thomas Jr., it's been all about his downfield role. And that's what he did for this offense last year. He had a 14.3 yard ADOT. I think that's going to continue. I think they see Washington and Jacobi Myers as more of the chain move versus possession guys, short to mid-range targets, or Brian Thomas is going to be the deep ball guy. And that has some value that's going to lead to some spike weeks. But I just think Washington is going to be the more consistent fantasy producer of these two guys. And he has the slot role that we know we want in Liam Cohen's offense. He of course got the big season at a Chris Godwin in Tampa Bay. He got the big season at a Laundale Robinson, Eck and Tucky in 2021. So I think Washington's just in the role you want to be in it. At least in terms of consistent week to week fantasy production. Yeah, I know Scott, you love hearing that. I have a quick follow up for Jared before Scott sort of shares his thoughts. You know, we're talking redraft today. But do you think that there's a scenario where Parker Washington is maybe a little bit underrated as a dynasty asset? The two of us are competing in a dynasty startup draft right now that I know you guys are doing for a mock draft over at Draftsharks. Happy to participate in that one with you. But when I look at Parker Washington, I think like I see the steam in redraft. People making this statement that he's going to have this massive 2025 season. I know Scott Barrett and some other really sharp people are on that one. Sounds like you are as well. But when we look at him as a dynasty asset 24 years old about to get a pretty big contract. And I'm not seeing the same steam there. Scott and I were able to get him, I think for a relatively good price in a dynasty startup we just did over an FFPC. I think I'd be a little more cautious in dynasty. I don't know if Washington is this like a ascendant talent that's going to, you know, command a big role over, you know, the life of his NFL career. Another thing with dynasty too is Travis Hunter still on this team. And I don't, I'm kind of buying into Travis Hunter not being a big part of the offense as long as these top three guys are healthy, you know, Washington, Myers, and Brian Thomas Jr., but I think longer term, there's still a chance that Hunter is a pretty, you know, big piece of this Jaguar passing game. And that would obviously, you know, be bad news for Washington. Yeah. And Scott, any follow-ups to what Jared said? I mean, it's Parker Washington season every day here in the FFPC. Yeah. When streets went when you're on the mic. Yeah. I don't know how many times I have to hype up Parker Washington and feels like every episode. But no, I think Jared did a great job of nailing the highlights. It's BTJ who even if he does take that step forward, it's the less valuable downfield role, which ideally opens things up for Parker Washington. And it's this Liam Cohen slot role was Bondel Robinson who was a running back the year before he converted to wide receiver. He what led to FBS and in PPR fantasy points per game that year. It was the big, it was it was Cooper Cup. But the big one to me was Chris Godwin, where he finished second in fantasy points per game behind only Jamar Chase. And when he was healthy, he really out-alphaed Mike Evans. Mike Evans, one of the best wide receivers in football, leads all wide receivers and asks over the last three years. But it was Chris Godwin really just dominating him from a fantasy perspective. So clearly the talent gap between Chris Godwin and Mike Evans, if anything, Mike Evans is better. So to me that says, even if BTJ is who we thought he was coming out of his rookie season, it still looks like this slot role is so much more valuable. And again, he was awesome. You look at the last, you look at a week 16 through the playoffs. It was Parker Washington had doubled the target share of any other Jacksonville receiver. He had 2.5 X as many receiving yards as he's over 100 yards per game. No one else above 40. And so yeah, I'll say this every episode if I have to and it appears I do. Love me some Parker Washington. Listen, he's not a, he's right now he's probably going to be in Xodia, although his price continues to rise. But he isn't like my number one, you know, I have to draft an all cause. He's guaranteed to succeed. There's certainly some risk here, but you know, it's all about making calculated bets at cost. And I certainly like this one. Yeah, I think you guys both break it, broke it down very well. I had a couple great comments. Big shout out to the, to the live viewers right now. If you haven't clicked on that subscribe to the channel button, it helps us a lot. It doesn't cost you anything. And it helps us do live shows like this one. We have a comment from fantasy meatball fantasy meatball also said that he's a fantasy points and a draft shark sub. Thank us both for that one. Appreciate that fantasy meatball says I won the first phase live King classic league at the expo. It's PPR. What draft spot should I take? Okay, so this is a fun one guys preferred draft slot right now in a PPR one quarterback. Start three wide receiver setting. No third round reversal. So your standard league. What spot do you like picking in right now, Jared? I take the four spot because I see a clear top four with Gibbs, B. John Robinson, Jamar Chase, Pukin, and Kua. We actually have Puka first overall on our PPR ranking. So I think if you get, if you get, take the four spot, there's a good chance to get Puka. And you know, worst case, you're probably going to get chased because it seems like those running backs tend to go, you know, within the top two or three picks. So I think I'd have to think about this a bit more thinking about, you know, future rounds. I think I think taking the taking the four spot puts you in a good situation, at least right off the bat. I actually like that one a lot because regardless of whether you're all in on team Puka or team Jamar Chase, you're going to get access to one of the two of them. And then also like just from drafting a lot, it feels like sometimes you can be very frustrated when you're drafting it like the two three turn. So I get a little bit of insulation before that get access to a player that I might like a lot more at like the two oh nine level than like at the two twelve. So I as a luring as it is to get a beijon or Jamir Gibbs at the one oh one. I think that that's a really sharp answer there. Scott, do you have any initial lean on this one? I know we've done one three fifty. I'm sure we're going to do a bunch more than the upcoming weeks where you add on like preferred draft slot early on here. I would take the first overall pick and I feel really strongly about it. You know, upside wins championships, power law players. I think Jamir Gibbs is the ultimate edge pick this year. You look at what he's done historically without David Montgomery about twenty seven point four fantasy points per game. And you know, even with David Montgomery, he was a league winner. And now I think this just unlocks this extra rung on the ladder where Dan Campbell is, hey, we live or die with Jamir Gibbs. Jamir Gibbs is our bell cow. We're giving him all he can handle. And for one of the most efficient, you know, players in the game, I really think he could break leagues this year. I think there's even a chance it's looking like, you know, throw back to when I was, you know, what 11 12 13 years old. I was drafting along my stepfather and all of his friends back then, like everyone had to switch over from a snake draft to an auction draft because Ladinian Tommson was so broken. Like, all right, whoever gets the first overall pick is going to win this sucks. And so like, there's a real chance that's Jamir Gibbs over the next few years. So yeah, I feel strongly about this one. I want the first overall pick. Yeah. And we talked about Jamir Gibbs flipping B. Jean Robinson over on underdog Scott and I have been on Jamir Gibbs is like our one on one for I think really since the NFL draft Scott, we kind of came to that conclusion. We like the offensive coordinator higher. We love the fact that it's Isaiah Pacheco and not David Montgomery there. All the coach speak with Dan Campbell. I see that you guys have Jamir Gibbs at the 101 right now. We do as well at the running back positions Jared. Do you see it as sort of like a clear cut 101 like Scott does or you open minded if you have 20 drafts, are you looking to spread it between maybe a Puka, a B. Jean mixed in with a Jamir Gibbs or you sort of echo Scott statement that Gibbs maybe has the highest upside of any scope position player in football this year. Yeah, I think that's fair as in terms of ceiling goes. I'm not entirely convinced that Gibbs is going to get that, you know, David Montgomery less workload that you know Scott was was referencing there. I do think they're going to probably mix in as a Pacheco not to the extent that Montgomery was playing, you know, the past couple years. But I do think Pacheco is probably going to get on the field and you know, take some of that work from Gibbs. Gibbs is the clearer R.B.1 for me. It's just it's just a massive tear gap and and strength of offense right when you look at the Lions versus the Falcons. And I do think Gibbs will play a similar role to B. Jean. I think you know, they're usage will be pretty similar. So just give me the guy on the offense. It's going to score you know, five six seven more points per game. Saw a comment in the chat that I thought was interesting and I'm going to again, like we hear these terms and we sort of take them for granted this time of year. And I probably say this term a thousand times, like throughout the off season, but how do you define a flag plant? Jared, you're going to drop a couple of your early flag plant players. Is it simplistic to say that you want to get exposure to these guys and as many drafts as possible? You feel incredibly enthusiastic about their cost at ADP or is it more nuanced for you when it comes to a flag plant calling a guy a flag plant. I think it starts with a guy that's just undervalued. If I look at, you know, where I have a guy ranked for a ADP, but beyond that, I think it's a guy who, you know, as you guys always talk about has that upside to win you a fantasy league. That's what it comes down to in the end. So it's kind of a combination of value plus upside to me. And Scott, would this sort of be flag plant for you is Exodia or the two differences? Are there differences between the two? Exodia, like the proper definition, do you know what Yu-Gi-O is, Jared? No, no idea. Okay. No, no idea. So it's like a very nerdy card games. It was kind of came after Pokemon is like the next big kind of mini craze and whatever. And so in the first season of that show, if you assembled all five of these Exodia cards, you just automatically win. And so that's the ideal with Exodia is if you just draft these five players, you automatically win your league. Like after you draft the fifth one, you could just log out. You could let it auto pick. You're going to, it doesn't matter. You're going to win. Don't worry about waivers. And so that's the hope and goal and dream with with this Exodia. And you know, certainly 2019, that was the, that was the case 2021. That was the case. Last year, some of my Exodia guys, Camp Scataboo broke my heart. Kenneth Walker, Luther, I did more than five last year. Luther, burden, Colston, Loveland. And so I got these notifications. I did this like three days ago where it's if, if someone, you know, talks about me on Reddit, I get a notification so I could come in and be like, Hey, yeah, we have 10% off at fantasy points. And someone was like a Scott Barrett fell off like he, last year was his worst year ever. Bro, you saw the vision. Kenneth Walker in the playoffs, you know, Luther, burden, Colston, Loveland, a keen late. And now these guys are getting drafted like round three, round four, round five. So I felt really good about my process last year. Maybe results not as good as years past. But yeah, it's, it's just like the ultimate flag plant this year. I'm going to stick to five Exodia, but I have some more like, Hey, I really like, I really like Rashad White in round 11. But you know, maybe he doesn't make the official Exodia cut. Yeah. And I feel like all the last couple of weeks Scott, we've, we've gotten into these arguments on guys and people really love it. But I'll give you a ton of props because last year like the Scataboo one of Scataboo would have like lasted throughout the season. You were about as enthusiastic on cam Scataboo as like anyone in fantasy. You wanted him on 100% of our rosters. You were all over it in dynasty. And he was averaging 16 and a half points per game coming from like a near double digit around ADP. And then you were really snake bitten the year before as well where you had Chris Godwin when he was just this tremendous value guy. He was like wide receiver three overall when he went down with a season ending injury. You also had Rossi Rice who had a season ending injury as well. So like you've been very snake bitten from the injury department. You're due from like, you know, it's like positive touchdown regression. It's like positive not drafting like guys who get injured for the entire season regression. So I think Scott is going to probably run pure this year. You've been on point. Yeah. The worst one is my MVP bad. So you can just give me, you know, talk about bad beats here is. So last year my exota was Drake May fantasy point subscribers would have won easy six figures combined way more than that actually are still six figures. But hi, hi six something like that because if if not for my guy Sam Monson, throwing his vote away, Drake May won vote away from from winning MVP and then and then what was it? Brock Perties sophomore year, I was all in unbrocked Verde to win MVP 90 to one odds. But then he was like minus 330 and was weak 16. He was playing Lamar Jackson like all right, great time to bet Lamar Jackson at plus 300 just in case you know this swings the other way. And like that's what happened, you know, Lamar Jackson wins MVP. But you know, like we fantasy point subscribers came out ahead because he got both Purdy and Lamar. It just doesn't sound as good as nailing Purdy at 90 to one Lamar sophomore year. That was another big one at 101 might shout out to my guy Ed Teach who won over a million dollars doing that. And I am staring at these exodia cards here. I think we need to fully rebrand exodia from now on, Scott. We're going to see what is an exodia player and you're going to say I have a deep love of travel and I love getting stuck booking my travel on exodia.com. That's how I got the exodia terms. I think it's much better than like whatever this card game is when I look at this. What is this like? It's the guy a bug. What is what is this guy? What is this guy? He's like an Egyptian god or something. All right. Well, well, there we go. There we go guys. Let us know what you think about exodia and Scott. You're thinking of exodia. Oh, exodia.com. Expedia.com. Sorry about that. I got the new sponsor, new sponsor, new sponsor. All right. So we're going to get into it. So Jared's got a couple of flag plants. If you want to get access to all of Jared's guys, if like if you're going to read anything over draft sharks, I always give you props for this one. Jared, you nailed Cooper Cup in 2021. You'll forever be able to like be the Cooper Cup guy that year. You guys drop a couple of like must read articles throughout the summer. You do the comeback plan in 2023 to. Yeah, that was, that was the comeback player of the year, right? Jared? Correct. Yeah. So you guys do comeback player of the year. You do breakout player of the year. I believe you had the Rashad white RB7 overall season. You had him when he was in the sixth round. So that's like a that would be like a greatest hips for most people. But like you had Cooper Cup. The Cooper Cup, I believe was the comeback player of the year for you that year. Yeah, you know what? I get disconfused. Now I'm getting old. My members fading. But yeah, it was one of the two. It was it was a year, you know, Robert Woods was going ahead of him and fantasy drafts that year. And you know, we were on cop and ended up being his smash season. So that was a fun one. I have a Cooper Cup jersey hanging in my office. That's like one of the best fantasy calls of all time. Yeah. That was a fun season. And that's how we first connected Jared. Like, you know, way back, I was doing other podcasts and like the two of us kind of connected and I give you full props for that one. And you're not a guy to like kind of two, you're on horn. But Jared was all over. You need to pay attention to this one. So when do you guys usually drop like the comeback player of the year, the breakout player of the year? And then there's one more correct me if I'm wrong here. Yeah, it's a bust. We usually, you know, pick some and go in the first two, three rounds of fantasy drafts. You know, we're staying away from. So though those will all come out in early to mid July. So we're we're, you know, starting to toss around name to this point, probably settle on those names in the next few weeks and those articles. We'll hit the site in about a month. Yeah. So make sure you check those out for for Jared's like, like true guys of the season. But you are going to be very generous and share a couple of your flag plants now. Guys that you're really loving clicking on, clicking the button on at ADP. And I would classify three of these guys sort of as sleeper candidates. And I know that there's at least one of them that I'm enthusiastic about and maybe Scott is a little bit bearish about. Why don't we start out with your quarterback? Let's talk Kyler Murray right now. Yeah. I mean, I'm surprised his ADP hasn't moved much. He's still quarterback 17 on underdog right now. And we're already getting strong signals on a Minnesota that he he's going to beat out Jay-Jay McCarthy for this starting job. But both from the media and Minnesota and the coaching staff and even the players, there was a quote from Justin Jefferson yesterday kind of pumping up Kyler Murray. And I think to me, I kind of read it as a jab at J.J. McCarthy as well, like, you know, things that McCarthy wasn't doing well in this offense last year that Kyler Murray can do. So I feel good about Murray winning this starting job. And again, quarterback 17 on underdog. He prior to last year when he only played five games, he had never finished worse than quarterback 12 in fantasy points per game. And I think this is the best situation he's ever been in when you look at the coaching staff led by Kevin O'Connell and the weapons that Murray has. Again, prior to last year in Minnesota, Kevin O'Connell's first three Vikings teams finished fifth, seventh, and ninth in total quarterback fantasy points. And that was without a guy who can run like Kyler Murray again. So I think there's upside into the top eight quarterbacks, maybe even higher than that when you talk about, you know, what Kyler can still do with his legs and how productive he could be as a passer just unless I cut Kyler's a flawed quarterback. I don't think he's some some stud from a real life perspective, but just Kevin O'Connell's coaching acumen plus the weapons in Minnesota. I think he could have a really strong passing season. I think there's tons of upside here. He's a guy at quarterback 17. I have to like stop myself from taking in every single draft. Yeah, I've been drafting a ton of him in bestball. And I think I'm open-minded to drafting him in multiple quarterback builds in like even big FFPC main event type NFFC prime time drafts. Scott, you know, Jared talked about the success the quarterbacks have had over in this Kevin O'Connell system, but it's you're talking about Kirk Cousins leading the NFL and touchdown passes when we went down with an injury. You're talking about Josh Dobbs having multiple weeks where he was like a top five fantasy finisher. Even when he joined the team, he joined the team on a Wednesday. And then that Sunday finishes as a top five fantasy quarterback finishes top six the next two weeks. You have Nick Mullins. An absolute nobody made three starts with the Vikings for 303 passing yards, 411 passing yards, 396 passing yards. Those are his three starts like does CJ shroud have more than two games over 375 passing yards in his career? I'm not sure. And so yeah, the Kevin O'Connell offense is a great place to be. Tyler Murray is a quarterback who who runs, which is crucial in order for me to draft them. And you look since he came into the league in 2019 only three quarterbacks average more fantasy points per game That's Josh Allen the Marjacks and Patrick Mahomes. So yeah, I think I think he could be my exodia quarterback this year I look at after the top 12 by 80p only two quarterbacks have overall QB one upside That's Malik Willis and it's and it's Kyler Murray The one criticism here is that I've been calling Kyler Gen Z J cutler like I just I question his gaff. I don't know that he cares You had this quote from Brian shot and Heimer last year when he has asked about Kyler Murray is like yeah Well, we really think the offense could have done a whole lot more but you know Kyler told us he wouldn't run anymore And so that was a real quote that came out and it's like oh shit So am I drafting a guy who's who who can run is this insanely dynamic athlete but doesn't want to run? The you know the the counter argument to that counter argument though is you know like he's trying to get the bag right like he's on a league minimum deal Right now and so maybe we see him go all out boss the wall and then next year he can chill he can he can You know just play call of duty don't forget when he signed that extension with Arizona They baked into his contract like he had to study at least like two hours every week and like they don't do that for anyone unless You got bullied into dropping it, but it's like yeah clearly this guy You know we have to worry about that But maybe this is the ultimate time to go all in because he's trying to get that bag I think that you both had great great points there and I see one comment in the chat like from from AntWall Saying but what did they do last season? I'm out on the bikes man. Just how bad like I think sometimes like time heals a little bit where we start like you know Not not forgetting but kind of not remembering about how bad it was how bad was the quarterback play like historically Jared when we look at Minnesota last year I mean pretty about as bad as it could possibly get yeah Yeah, I don't know the numbers in front of me, but JJ McCarthy was like historically bad by a lot of metrics last year So I'm throwing last year out. I still believe Kevin O'Connell is a top five play caller in the NFL This is still a top five wider seaver duo. I think with Justin Jefferson Jordan Edison and then escots that Kyler Murray gives us the rushing ability to Really know elevates both both the fantasy ceiling and and the floor, you know, I think he's it's gonna it's I I hate to say this because what we saw last year with McCarthy But it's gonna be tough for Kyler Murray to bust in fantasy in this situation. Yeah, yeah I'm with you completely and you we brought up like Justin Jefferson and I think He's the one where just having like consistent quarterback play that's not awful You'll see a big bounce back season from Justin Jefferson. Are you parlaying your enthusiasm for Kyler Murray and Drafting any Minnesota Vikings with him like I've always had an Like I've always really liked Jordan Edison and I know this is a player that Scott like two years ago I was talking about his dynasty trade target. I always like drafting him now. He's falling into a range where he's Incredibly affordable talking about like the wide receiver 40 to 45 range and drafts sometimes even lower Where are you at on Jordan Addison? And again without really referencing like he doesn't not that not like do you want to rank him here But are you open-minded to Kyler Murray sort of rising tides for multiple Vikings? Yeah, I mean on I won't say all these guys I don't really have much interest in T.J. Hackinson and the keys He sort of watched at this point. I think the Joanne Jennings Edition kind of hurts Hackinson as well, but I think Jefferson I mean Jefferson you got to have a pick in the you know back half of round one to land him But I am more than happy to take Jefferson, you know seven eight ninth overall then Jordan Addison I'm looking at our rankings. We have a wide receiver 40 In PPR's I think we're a bit better how to market there and just the fact that I'm drafting so much Kyler Murray You know does make me want to get plenty of both Jefferson and Addison Yeah, I took Jordan Addison in the FFPC hardway draft like I clicked the button a lot on underdog for Addison I'm fully invested in a bounce back year from him as well. Love the Kyler Murray enthusiasm A player that I'm really high on and Scott and I are bumping heads on is another one of your flag plants And that's running back Jonathan Brooks of the Carolina Panthers We've started to see his ADP steam up into like the eighth round and he never like falls out of the early ninth Where you out on him even with the rising ADP Yeah, we'll see how high that ADP climbs. I'm still in on him at his price right now I mean, I think to me the biggest question with Brooks is obviously he's a guy coming off a twice torn ACL So what is that going to mean to you know his his ability to hold up and just his explosive niff Exposing niff coming off those injuries, but I think when healthy he was Clearly an exciting prospect. He was the first or any back off the board in his draft. He averaged 114 rushing yards per game On 6.1 yards per carry in his final college season also caught two and a half passes Per game for 29 yards in that final season at Texas. He's 216 pounds So you know he has the look you know both both size and skill set wise of someone who can contribute on all three downs And I think he's undoubtedly in a good situation in Carolina for starters Chuba Hubbard just was not good last year There were 51 running backs in the league last year with 90 plus carries among those 51 Hubbard ranked 41st in yards per carry 40 fifths in rush yards over expected per attempt 49th in yards after contact per attempt and 50th in mis tackles force per attempt And the Panthers have already shown us that they are willing to go away from Chuba Hubbard despite the fact that he's playing on a pretty big contract He came back from the calf injury last year and Rico Doudel was the clear lead back for that offense until very late in the season And the other point I'll make here is that Dave canals's offense has been very running back Friendly we talked about that reshade white 2023 season that came under canals White was RB 10 in PPR points for game in 2024 Chuba Hubbard finished as the RB 13 in PPR points for game But then even last year through week four as the lead back Hubbard was RB 17 and then from week five on Rico Doudel was the RB 12 So you know canals at this point has a three-year history of producing you know these at least fringe RB ones So despite the fact that I think Bryce Young sucks and I don't I'm not excited about this offense I think it's a it's a good spot for running back production You know Well, obviously see see who's getting their ock for Carolina I think there's a good chance that Brooks You know by October kind of overtakes Hubbard as the top guy in this backfield This is music to Theo's ears, but it drives me crazy because I had to beg him Multiple times to draft Rico Doudel on round 16 and he he wanted zero part of it No, no, I didn't want 100% exposure. I didn't want 100% exposure. You should have won at 100% And so to me john of them Brooks like unironically just looks like expensive Martian Lloyd to me except Martian Lloyd is in a better offense the running back could get suspended Could be put on the exempt list is under investigation right now for domestic violence But it's it's two guys who have under 12 career touches despite being drafted three years ago and you said you know Chuba Hubbard hasn't played great. That's absolutely correct and they're willing to move on for them I I debate that point Rico Doudel had multiple games of 200 rushing yards And it took a lot for them to to move on and even when they quote unquote moved on it was still very much a committee backfield A low upside committee backfield So for me, I'm very bell cower bust I don't see a ton of bell cow upside and I do see I do see you know the hype train rolling for this guy I probably like him less than than either of you Okay, it's an interesting take Scott. I think that that's ultimate shade to throw the Martian Lloyd one out there I think Brooks was a far better prospect and you read this agreed Brett had Martian Lloyd as his rb one in that year's class I you add Jonathan Brooks Yeah, I had Jonathan Brooks and Jared had Jonathan Brooks And also Scott. I'll push back a little bit who has the exceedingly higher upside as a receiver in their offense Right, right so there we go. So Jonathan. Yeah, Jonathan Brooks has the the upside as a receiver And like two years ago had the lowest yards per target average of any player ever It was like of like 3,700 qualifiers Yeah, we've already heard canals talking up Brooks's ability in the passing him to I Even think right out of the gate Brooks is gonna be the primary passing down back there And then you know again, we'll kind of see what happens with the ball care But with Harvard I will say hit his career's been so funky like he's literally gone up and down in terms of rushing efficiency He was a good runner in 2024 maybe it was true in college too Yeah, and maybe the 2025 stuff was due to the calf injury I looked into that and his matchups were pretty poor even before that calf injury So I'm not sure I'm buying that he's just been a tough player to figure out But I I loved Brooks coming out and I think if he's healthy, I'm pretty convinced that he's the best runner in that backfield My biggest issue with him is just that Rashad white goes four picks later And that's that's really one of my that's probably my favorite zero or B target this year Yeah, I think that's I think that's fair and Rashad white also has a big I think receiving upside in that offense It's sort of parallels and we I've talked about there's parallels between like Rashad white in 2026 and Kenneth Gainwell in 2025 I know Jaden Daniels is not like the checkdown guy that Aaron Rogers is but the lack of pass catching weapons whatever But I see some like enthusiasm for Chuba Hubbard in the chat and I get it I think Chuba Hubbard is a warrior and I think he really endeared people fantasy managers to him with his performance in 2024 finished our RB 15 that season another sort of argument for Jared that Dave can allis is the R.B. whisperer there. Um, and I think the 80 piece could converge a little bit. So if you want to mix in a little bit of Chuba Hubbard, I think that he's going to have value early on. But I think Jonathan Brooks, as he gets healthier and healthier throughout the season, if he can hold up that work as a receiver could kind of parlay itself into a little bit more of a three down. Uh, so I worry a little bit about Chuba Hubbard. But again, when you're talking about Chuba as a seventh round pick, you can mix in some Chuba as well. Are you sort of on that one, Jared, he's like a non zero exposure guy for you. If there's a convergence of the 80 piece, yeah, I want pieces of both these guys, especially if Chuba ends up, you know, getting into R.B. 30 or later again, I kind of buy into this canal scheme and especially it was I think the panthers were near the bottom of the league and you know, pass rate and neutral pass rate on the season. But it was it was like week five on or something like once they saw like three or four games of Bryce Young last year, they were like, you know, screw this. We're going to go as run heaviest possible. They were one of the run heaviest offenses in the NFL, you know, based on neutral pass rate, pass rate over expected over the final like, you know, three quarters of last season. I think that's going to continue to be the case, especially if you know, Brooke starts to show out and he was the player they thought they were getting when they took him in the second round a few years ago. So Scott and I draft together a lot and a player that I always gravitate towards, uh, at least in consideration in the queue is Jalen Waddle. We drafted him together on a couple of teams last year. Scott when he was really falling into a strong range. Now we're starting to see some great early reports on Waddle's potential usage in Denver. We've seen some positive quotes coming out from Sean Payton. We've seen Cortland Sutton, uh, even yesterday kind of saying that he knows his targets might go down this year and he doesn't care. I think that the Denver media is kind of embracing Jalen Waddle in this role. And when you look at Denver, trading a first round or a third round or an a fourth rounder to get him, it's a massive price tag. So your enthusiasm level four Jalen Waddle as the wide receiver one in this Denver Broncos offense attached to bone next attached to Sean Payton. And Denver was really a couple plays away from the Super Bowl last year. It feels like it's chips pushed in type type move. Yeah, I've always loved Waddle for starters. I think you know, in Miami, there are always, you know, things that helped his production back. And whether last year, the offense just sucked. I think, you know, to obviously had some limitations. You had Tyree kill there that Waddle had to battle targets with. But I, you know, you look at, I mean, you look about Waddle did as a rookie, you know, setting the single season rookie catches record at the time. He's had some big seasons in terms of yards per out. So I believe in this player. It's obvious that Sean Payton believes in this player. As you said, the Denver gave up more for Waddle than the Patriots did for AJ Brown. And I know there's other considerations there, you know, contract stuff, health stuff, age stuff. But Denver is clearly high in this player. I think he's going to be the focal point of the passing game. And you just look at the upgrade and situation for Jalen Waddle, you know, last year's dolphins 30th and pass attempts, 25th and pass yards, 21st and pass touchdowns last year's Broncos without Jalen Waddle, 4th and pass attempts, 11th and passing yard, 16th and passing touchdowns. The Broncos were 4th and pass rate over expected last year. That was something I kind of didn't even realize until I started to dig into that team, you know, working through projections for this year. But this was a pass leaning offense last year. You maybe didn't see it always in the box. It was such a good team with a good defense. But I, you know, this Payton's willing to air it out. I think that might even increase with Waddle in town now. So I think Jalen Waddle, I think he's a round or two undervalued right now. He's someone I've been taking a lot of. Yeah, we, I like him a lot. Scott, your thoughts on what Jared had to say. And I think one thing that when we're looking for wide receivers in this range, I love looking at players where not only could be they be the number one target in their passing game, but they could be the offensive focal point. And I think Jalen Waddle will be the most valuable Denver Broncos skill position player to draft this year. It's not like a really even that bold statement. He's the top one off the board. But none of these guys have a cost that's like incredibly prohibitive. And it's an offense that we think it's score a lot of points. Scott, you talked a little bit about Waddle yesterday. Why don't you expand on your thoughts of his fit in this offense and your enthusiasm level for clicking that button right now? Well, I just really love this from a real life NFL perspective. You look back over the last two, three years. You have Cortland Sutton ranking top 10 in Yards per out run against man coverage against zone. He's much more middle of the pack. And you have Jalen Waddle top 10 in zone yards per out run against man coverage. He's a lot more middle of the pack. So you have your man beater. You have your zone beater. And then it's also stylistically. It's you have Cortland Sutton, this sort of possession receiver, this contested catch artist. And then you have Jalen Waddle this speed free, this great yak weapon. And so I think it's a very much a peanut butter and jelly combination that I think is going to work exceptionally well for this offense. But from a fantasy perspective, something that you do great, Jared, as a projections guy is your neck deep into the weeds on pace of play stats. You're always hyping up Kellan Moore. And you have I love Kellan Moore. And I'm excited about the Saints offense. But I think Denver's offense is has even more upside for the same reasons at a cheaper price. And it's it's yeah, you have Sean Payton every year, you know, fantasy cheat code. One of the best play callers to to tail dating back to the juberies days, even a washed, you know, 43 year old juberies can't throw over 15 yards was awesome for fantasy. But you have Davis Webb, this new, you know, genius wonder Kent. He's saying he wants to push the pace of play even faster. You have Cecil Lammy, you know, at practice being like, yeah, it's incredible how fast you're they're trying to get guys to get back to the line of scrimmage. And keep in mind, this is bonix last year, led the league and drop back. So if they can do that and then be even faster paced, there's tremendous upside for just about everyone in this offense. Jared, just to kind of show your enthusiasm level, let's go a little bit head to head ADP debate here. We did this a little bit yesterday. Let's go Jellen Waddle or DJ Moore. A lot of it all easily. Yeah. Come on. Yeah. Waddle easily for me as well. Yeah. I, like we're talking about guys close to an ADP. I know, I know Jared, you kind of had a negative opinion of DJ Moore when you came on my show a little while ago, a couple, like maybe a month ago. But let's go a couple more players sort of head to head with Waddle. Christian Watson, Green Bay Packers. I love Watson, but we have a lot of like five or six, five tire. Jamison Williams Detroit Lions. Waddle. All right, there we go. And that's about the range we're seeing him go in. So we're all pretty enthusiastic about Waddle. I'm with you, Jared on that one. I have a super chat question here. Remondre Stevenson, Travian Henderson, Pickens and a mid to late 2027 first for Jeremiah love and a lobby. So it's love and a lobby or the Patriots backfield George Pickens and a 2027 first. I'm going to go Jeremiah love side on this one in Dynasty. I'm going to take the most insulated asset. I like Jeremiah love of more than any running back in the 2027 class. And I think Chris Lave is a top notch asset as well. So I understand the appeal of the mid to late 2027 first. I love George Pickens right now, but I'm going to go with the love side on this one. Jared, where are you out on this one? Yeah, I would lean that way too. I consider a Lave and Pickens pretty much a wash. And that I would give us slightly into love over the Patriots guys and the late first. Scott, where are you out on this trade? I might take close. It's really close. I might go the other side. I might go the other side in that one, but it is really close. Yeah, Lave and Pickens are tough because both of us. Yeah, I would say the wider receivers are tough because both those guys could be on different teams next year, which I think would probably hurt their value. I think that the it sounds like maybe the Saints and a Lave are a little bit closer in terms of getting something done. Then Dallas and Pickens at this point, if that's sort of a tiebreaker, I do think a Lave and Pickens are both at that point where if they land on another team, it's not going to be a complete catastrophe. Their situations are great right now, but I do think they'd be viewed as, you know, alpha wide receiver ones on many NFL teams too. So really, really good question. And if you want access to more dynasty specific content, make sure you're checking out fantasy points, dynasty YouTube. 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And same thing with draft sharks. I know you will remove the paywall on some cool stuff, Jared. Make sure you go check out draft sharks, check out fantasy points. I think you can get an idea of whether this site is right. for you with some of the really cool free stuff available right now. But they will both help you win in a major, major way. And we have receipts to prove it in a big time way. Let's keep this conversation going. This is one where we really don't let people come on our shows unless they love Holston Loveland and spoiler alert. Jared Smola, a very smart person loves Holston Loveland. We're all in on Holston Loveland. It sounds like you are as well. Yeah, for sure. We don't have to go through. I know you guys have probably talked about those stuff at this point. But I love the fact that he ascended throughout his rookie season. You look at you know, through week nine, Loveland was tight and 40 eight in PPR points per game. But from week nine through 18, he was the tight end five. And that, you know, if you look at his final four games, including the playoffs, seven point zero catches per game, 94 and a half yards, a half a touchdown per game. That's right. You don't see even a four game run like that for for very many tight ends. And what I really love about Loveland is that his efficiency was strong over the course of the season among 39 qualifying tight ends. He was 10th in targets per out, fifth in yards per out. That efficiency got even better as his playing time grew down the stretch over his final five games again, including the playoffs, point three, one targets per out, two point four, nine yards per out, just elite elite numbers for a tight end. I think this entire offense should be ascending with you, Loveland in his second season, Ben Johnson in his second season in Chicago. Kayla Williams entering his third season. And then you have DJ Moore leaving behind 85 targets. This is going to be an extremely concentrated passing game with Loveland, Luther Burton and Roma Dunezay. I think we haven't seen it. We haven't seen Loveland get so, you know, the target just raw targets and target shares that Brock Boehrs and Tray McBride have. But I think he definitely can get there. And if he does, he's going to finish tight end one because his offense is going to be so much better than the Cardinals and Raiders offenses. So to me, Loveland is the tight end I want to take, you know, in that elite tier. I think, you know, Bowers and McBride are fine in round two, but being able to get Loveland in round four, the opportunity cost is just so much lower. So I'm, I'm taking as much Loveland as I can right now in round four. I do think he's going to be in to round three about the time we get to August. Yeah. And Scott, I think it not enough discussion about like the target ceiling for Colston Loveland. I legitimately think he could have 140 targets this year based on the way that last season was suspended. And the fact that he was so young last year, it seems like Ben Johnson fully embracing him. We're going to talk about Luther Burton coming up, but Colston Loveland, it's just the guys, it's really hard to find reasons not to like him at this point. No, absolutely. I mean, this was a player, you know, we had tremendous belief in his talent. Ben Johnson's track record with tight ends and you just look at what he did over his last four games, double digit targets in four straight. Really, he was the clear alpha on this team. I think you have that on screen right now looking at the fantasy points data suite. Shout out to tray, gambling behind the glass, but you know, 11.8 targets per game. More than, you know, nearly double the next closest, Luther Burton at 6.3, Roma, Dunz, he had six was he was the clear alpha and like you were saying, he was really efficient with that, with that volume. So yeah, you know, you and I, what did I say? It was, it was Sydney, sweetie levels of excitement drafting a rock, Bowers and Colston, love and are tight and premium dynasty. That was, there's, that's the PG version. You saved it like dynasty life. Yeah, we went there on dynasty life. We went all the way there. Scott went all in on that one. So yeah, it's very exciting. I have so much exposure to Colston, love and right now you do worry about that. Like if you're a high volume dynasty manager or high volume redraft manager, best ball, but guys, I don't care. I'm pushing the chips in. If anything bad happens, the Colston, love, Lin so be it. I agree with you, Jared, that like the price of the break is going up. When we draft at the end of August, early September, the prices were paying for Colston, love, Lin, even an FFPC might look cheap. I went on the FFPC stream Sunday evening, shout out to those guys over there. Aiden, Dave, and we talked about love, Lin and I said, I think when we get to Vegas and FFPC and that tight end premium, we're going to see some main events where somebody fires Colston, love, Lin off at like 13 overall. So I think that's the way it's going. We're going to talk about it. We got to, you know, almost 55 minutes in. So Jared, my promise to get you out of here in 60 minutes wasn't a lie, but it's not going to happen. We're going to go a little bit longer here because we got to, we're going to rip through. We were going to, we're going to pretty quickly through these ones. Hey, just just a thing, Jared, for his time, I wanted to say this at the start of the show is if I could only have five guests for School of Scott before the start of the season, Jared would absolutely be one of those names. There's really very few minds in this space. I, I respect and admire more than Jared, who is an elite analyst is an elite projections guy and is just, you know, right for all the right reasons, a lot more than just about anyone else. So Jared, thank you so much for coming on just a, just a huge fan. I'll double down on that one too. Like I'll say, like I podcast with everybody over the years, Jared's like one of the sharpest dudes around 100% agree with Scott on that. Yeah, I echo that too, guys. I mean, whatever I see you guys put out a Twitter post and I always make sure you know, check it out. And oftentimes it at least pushes me towards, you know, changing my mind on something. So I definitely respect the work you guys do as well. And deep row Derek Brown is in the chat right now. Deep row joining me tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. live. We're going to, we're going to have him on fantasy football daily. It's going to be a lot of fun having deep row back on the channel. Let's go through it, guys, because we got to talk about some rankings differences we have. I have 11 players. So we're going to go relatively quickly here. Chat, let us know which site do you think is more correct on these ones? And I will remind everybody that once in a while, if I say fantasy points is maybe five spots lower, draft charts, charts might be five spots higher, they could still fall within like a half a point in terms of PPR averages. We're talking about they could be in the same tier if you want to think about it. But if we're going by raw rankings, these are the players that were sort of a little bit apart on. There wasn't a tight end also. So if somebody you looking for like a tight end that we were very different on, I'd say we're most aligned in the tight end rankings. There was like maybe like a Pat Fryer move. We were a little bit higher on the draft sharks, but of like the guys you're clicking on a ton. We're pretty much aligned on that. But at quarterback running back in wide receiver, we got some players to talk about. Let's start out with Caleb Williams and Caleb Williams. This is one where Scott and I will sort of argued out with a bunch of people internally over at fantasy points. We drafted Caleb Williams on our 350 that we did recently at FFPC. But we are five spots behind draft sharks right now. We have Caleb Williams as the QB 13, which feels low and draft sharks has them at the QB eight, which feels about right. Jared, your quick thoughts on Caleb this year and then Scott anything dad. Yeah, man. I'm in a weird spot. Have an argue for Caleb here because I thought we, I mean, we are love on him versus ADP. He's he's at least quarterback seven and ADP might be quarterback six. And you know, he's not a draft target for me. I prefer Trevor Lawrence straight up to Caleb Williams and Lawrence goes you know, round to, you know, two rounds later. But I will say enough for the Caleb Williams quarterback eight ranking. He finished quarterback 10 and PPR and points for game last year. He was quarterback seven and expected points per game. Williams last year, fifth in the NFL and past attempts. He was also eighth among quarterbacks in Russia. So, you know, he does kind of give you some of that dual threat ability, which obviously helps the fantasy value. And, you know, and he finished quarterback 10 last year, despite not really playing that well. You know, I, this is not an argument for Williams as a player. I think he still has a lot of growth to make. I think he can make that jump again. You know, he's he was better last year than he was as a rookie. I think it's fair to expect him to take another jump in year three. And then above all, this is just a bat and Ben Johnson, who now all four of his NFL offenses, every top nine in both total yards and points. They've all been near the top of the NFL and plays. I think we have the Bears projected to run the most plays in the NFL this season, which obviously helps all these guys. So again, Caleb, not I think he's maybe even a bit overpriced, but quarterback 13, man, that's that's low. Yeah, it's real low and shout out to Brett Whitefield. We're going to continue arguing about Caleb Williams all off season long. I'm on Caleb Williams will finish closer to QB three than QB 13. And not enough is being made of, hey guys, last year Luther Bird and rookie Kyle Menungai, rookie, Colston, Loveland was a rookie. This was his first year with Ben Johnson. There was a bunch of offensive line changes. And Caleb Williams was 23 years old last year. There's room to run here to get better. You're allowed to improve year after year in the NFL. Scott, your thoughts on this one. Who's right? Who's wrong? Are we wrong to have him at QB 13? Should we be more in line with draft sharks? Yeah, I think we're wrong. And I think that's the Brett Whitefield influence. You know, Chris Wack, you know, a lead projections guy. He came up through our charting team. He was Brett Whitefield's right hand man. And we know Brett is very negative and critical of Caleb Williams. And I think he's right to be. But my argument is, listen, the guy finished QB eight last year despite ranking bottom three and catchable throw rate. So what if he's middle of the pack this year? What if he's even good? You know, so tremendous upside for a player in an impossible to fail situation. Elite play caller. We love burden. We love, love, lent. And he runs. So, so yeah, I mean, he's, I'm with you. He's not a target for me, but we definitely have him too low. And luckily, we have a projections meeting tomorrow. Theo. So you and I are going to try and bully Chris into bumping Caleb Williams up here. Yeah. And Brett, you Brett, shout out to Brett. Brett's like a real alpha male like this is a guy who can, can be a bully type situation. If he wants to be. So I wonder if Brett Whitefield really tried to influence this one. We're going to break it down with Brett tomorrow behind the scenes, but I even Brett admitted that there are some correctable errors there with Caleb Williams, even from his film, critiques he had of him from last year. So if you want Brett Whitefield and Graham Barfield's takes on Caleb Williams, make sure you check out the show we dropped yesterday. It was really good stuff. Talk about Malik Willis. This is one where Scott, we've talked about the merits of Malik Willis, where Malik Willis, I think Jared could end up being a guy with 800 plus Russian yards this year. And I don't think that's even like a really bold statement. I think Miami wants to run. Malik Willis could end up leading all quarterbacks in Russian yards. I know Scott, you've talked about what a wonderful value he is currently at ADP, but we are much higher on Willis than draft sharks. We are plus seven here. Draftsharks has him at QB 23 and we have him at quarterback 16. Jared, is this reflective on your bearish nature of the Miami offense? Or are you apprehensive about Malik Willis the talent? It's a little both definitely more of the Miami offense. I'll say, this is one that it definitely feels like Malik Willis should be higher in our rankings as the team, I've gone back multiple times looking through our projections, trying to figure out why we're so low on Willis. I do think his rushing projection is tough just because the sample is so small, right? We have him for strong rushing numbers. We definitely could be low on that. Gaps between these guys and our projections is very small. If I go and give Malik Willis five more rushing yards per game, he's probably going to get up to quarterback 16 and wherever where you guys have him. But for me, it's definitely the situation and supporting cast that is keeping Malik Willis down. We have Miami projected for 59.2 plays per game. That's a bottom five mark in our projections. The dolphins are favored in just one game all season, just looking at the look ahead Vegas lines. And they're implied for the third fewest points per game. So this offense is not going to be good. The passing game is not going to be good. I know Willis has been like super efficient in his limited action in Green Bay as a passer. I cannot see that maintaining anywhere close to that level of efficiency just with the group of pass catcher he's working with in Miami. So he's going to have to do it with his legs and he's capable. He could have a 800 900 1000 year in rushing season if he stays healthy. But it's just it's tough to project when his sample as an NFL quarterback is so small. Scott Vegas total is four and a half right now for wins for Miami. That's awful. Does that kind of influence you a little bit here? Yeah, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. And this is and go ahead. No, I was going to say like, you know, I understand the supporting cast is bad. But I do think Malik Willis is a little bit underrated as a downfield thrower of the football. And I think even if the game flow doesn't dictate it, he's going to be an opportunistic scrambler besides Scott. I mean, wow, like when we talk about like design quarterback runs, he's going to be clearly towards the top of that as well. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's a small sample size. But over the last two years, he not only leads all quarterbacks and fantasy points for dropback, but he's 30% higher than anyone not named Lamar Jackson fantasy points per start. It's 23.6 fantasy points per start more than Josh Alan by fantasy points per four quarters. Same thing. And so yeah, the offense stinks, the supporting cast stinks. I don't care to me. This is 2022. Justin fields all over again. Let's not forget that bears offense was awful. But it didn't matter. Justin fields finished top five in fantasy points per game. He finished after the first month of the season, he averaged 25 fantasy points per game, something like that. Even though the offense sucked, why? Because the most important thing is how much do you run? And that's what we've seen with Malik Willis averages something like 68 yards per rushing yards per four quarters. So yeah, even if he's bad, even if the offense is bad, that probably just means he runs more. And that's just such a potent cheat code when you have one, when you have 10 rushing yards and a rushing touchdown equivalent to what is it basically like 50 passing yards in the passing touchdown. So just a big advantage for Malik Willis. So yeah, I think we're right and we're wrong. Sorry about that, Jared. All right. So let us go. I definitely see the path. Maybe I'll revisit it. I will say, you know, for starters, the packer stuff is a tiny sample. And it's also going to create infrastructure. I second pleo throughout the fact that he was freaking horrible in Tennessee. I know that was also a small sample, but that, you know, that's that's closer to the situation. He's going to be in Miami this year than what he had in Green Bay the past couple of years. Yeah, absolutely. I will say though, this, this is a also a Brett Brett Whitefield had a round one grade on Malik Willis loved Malik Willis coming out. So there's a little bit of that, you know, clouding our judgment. Okay. So let's get to the running back, guys. Cam Skataboo is the first one. Draftsharks has them at running back 19. We have them at running back 24. So again, it's a micro difference in points per game average, but it's still notable. Yesterday, we had a mandatory mini camp, some awesome video of Cam Skataboo looking fluid, explosive, running passing, passing down work. Like really he got it had one where he ran sort of a wheel route. Looked great doing so. And we had some positive coach speak from Harbaugh afterwards about how he told Skataboo no more back flips, but he thinks he looks great. And I think that they're projecting him to be there for training camp. So I would say let's start out on this one with you, Scott. Like Skataboo was your guy last year. I think that 24 seems a little bit low based on where he's at injury wise. Yeah. So the big concern is that injury every injury expert I talk to you said he's not going to be 100% at any point this season. So expect a decline in efficiency and a higher risk of compensatory injuries. That said, I don't know. I'm still I love the player. To me, he was my comp for him was Peyton Hillis that year he was on steroids where he was just so fun to watch. And he caught a ton of balls. Listen, he's a really good pass catcher. He's the heart and soul of this offense. He's the quarterbacks best friend. The Giants want to lean very run heavy this year. Now, stat I pulled up yesterday. Try if you can go to my Twitter page and pull this up. He is a perfect fit for the Greg Roman rushing offense. And it's the Greg Roman rushing offense. I talked to my sources in New York. He is at a bare minimum, the run game coordinator. He just can't say that because he's still on the books in Los Angeles. They're still paying him. But the Greg Roman rushing attack is a man gap. Have you scheme camp Skataboo is the perfect fit for that. He was top 10 in success rate on man gap concept runs much worse against zone and Tyrone Tracy. It's the exact opposite. He was much better on zone runs. One of the worst running backs and football over the last 10 two years in man gap concept run. So perfect fit for the Greg Roman offense. And it's it's a guy who catches passes. He's a ton of fun. Super underrated. It really all comes down to that injury for me. Jared, your thoughts on Skataboo. Your enthusiasm levels. And it could RB 19 be just even a little low. If you're going to we're going to project and play a full season. I know that there's a lot of question marks with that. But I would say he's a head of schedule for someone like the naysayers and the doubters at this point. Well, yeah, we still have some injury docs on his projections, especially early in the season. And he's coming in at RB 19. If we get the training camp and we're confident that he's at, you know, 100% or close to 100%. He could climb another couple spots in our running back ranking. Skataboo is just built to score fantasy points, right? He's 219 pounds. He's going to get the goal line work for this team. And he can catch us. Scott was talking about he had 45 catches in his final college season. He had 24 catches in eight games last year. And we already saw the fantasy upside in his six healthy games last year as the giants lead back. RB eight in PPR points per game. RB five and expected PPR points per game. This offense could be better this year in Jackson Darts second season. The offensive lion added Francis Maui Noah, who I think many consider the best run blocking offense alignment in this year's class. So again, it is the injury thing. That checks out. I think Skataboo is at minimum like a really nice every week RB two for fantasy teams. Yeah, and I see a comment here from ant wall saying that the giants equals last year's raiders. So even if you're apprehensive about the New York giants right now, you're not talking action genty price tag last year. So if you get a 14 and a half points per game out of Kim Skataboo, it is current cost. Even if this team struggles a little bit this year, which I don't know if I necessarily agree with to that extent, I still think he could pay off based on the current price tag. So interesting player there. A player that we are ahead of draft sharks on. And I think we're correct on this one, Jared. Basel Tutten, we have as the running back 22. You have him as the running back 29 before we get into scots take on this one. Would you are you going to adjust this based on like maybe the Chris Rodriguez foot injury stuff or would you still have a little bit of apprehension on Tutten unless you have him at this sort of range? Yeah, I considered making some projections adjustments with the Chris Rodriguez news, but it's decided to just wait to get to the start of training camp. And if right is a still sideline at that at that point, I probably will make a shift here and bump him down and tutoring up. But I'm kind of sticking with where we're at. I want to come up on Basel too. And I loved him as a prospect. I love this Liam Cohen offense. I think you definitely want pieces of it. But at this point, I'm buying the talk of this being a committee backfield. I think Liam Cohen loves Chris Rodriguez. Obviously coached him at Kentucky. And Rodriguez, by the way, I mean, he's a limited player. He's not going to do much in the passing game. He's between the tackles guy. He does lead all 69 running back. with 100 plus carries over the last two seasons in yards after contact per attempt. He has that skill set. I think Cohen wants to utilize that skill set. And I also think you're still going to get the Quint Allen playing on passing downs in this backfield. I think you're looking at a three man committee from projection standpoint that kind of makes it tough to get to and higher than we have him right now. Scott, your thoughts on Tutan? And I understand that Rodriguez apprehension from people when he first signed and all that, I was always on team Tutan here. I almost feel like the Quint Allen might be the more annoying presence in the backfield because of his ability as a receiver when it comes to like the Tutan upside arguments. But I think it makes sense sort of Tutan right now in round five. He's the leader here. I brought in like parallels to Chase Brown, year two and basal Tutan, year two, Zach Moss, Chris Rodriguez. It seems like a good history could repeat itself. Your enthusiasm levels on Tutan right now based on the Rodriguez being really slow at the gate with this foot thing. Yeah. I mean, I definitely lean more to just because Chris Rodriguez is shown a zero PPR upside as a pass catcher. But I'm with Jared and I think they want a committee and like you reading the T leaves, it's like at a bare minimum, this is like a legitimate competition. They want to see how training camp goes. Obviously, this foot injury kind of derails their plans for that. But yeah, it really seemed like they have a tremendous amount of belief in Chris Rodriguez and are kind of welcoming a committee situation. All right. So let us know in the comments what you think about basal Tutan that is current cost. Another player, this is probably our biggest discrepancy among running backs in the top 36. It's Travion Henderson. Half-sharks has him at running back 22. Fantasy points has him as running back 33. This one, I mean, I prefer where Drashark's has him. I think that when we're chasing upside outcomes, Travion Henderson and simply like what we had last year in terms of his production levels, we're basically projecting him to regress from those based on the late season usage. I'm into Travion Henderson this year at cost. Adding a J Brown, adding a Romeo Dubs. Where you at on this one, Jared, and this doesn't mean Drashark's was exceedingly low on Ramandrey Stevenson either. You're just having both of these guys in a decent spot. Yeah. Even with Henderson, we're at RB22 in our rankings. RB20 in ADP, so he's not a target for me. This ranking is really almost entirely projecting Henderson to improve in a second NFL season. If you look at it last year, Ramandrey Stevenson was better than Travion Henderson in basically any metric. Like rushing efficiency stuff, yards after contact, pro-attempt, Rushar's over-expected pro-attempt. Stevenson was better. He was also better in the passing game. He was better as a pass blocker. You have to be projecting, Steven, Henderson to take a step forward. I'm comfortable projecting that. Henderson is a 23-year-old entering his second NFL season. He was the 38th overall pick last year. Ramandrey Stevenson is 28 years old. This is going to be a sixth NFL season. He's not a guy. Anyone who was super excited about prior to last year, I think last year was the best year of his career. Maybe that's a start of the trend going forward, but it could also be just like a one-year blip. So I'm just, again, projecting Henderson to get better in year two. He already did, of course, show us the upside in those three games. Ramandrey Stevenson missed last year. Henderson was the RB4 in PPR points for game over those three games. So this is a case where if you look at our baseline projections, Henderson drops to RB25, but it is the ceiling projection that does boost them up a little more. I think that's what you're drafting him for. You can't really be going into the season, banking on him to be this every week RB2. But I think if you get into that range of draft, he beats a lot of those other running backs in ceiling. Yeah. And Scott does upside-still win championships based on our current ranking of him. Scott and Scott and I, full disclosure, we took Travion Henderson in our 350 in the fifth round as our running back three on a, it actually sounds great to say this right now. Our Jameer Gibbs, Breeze Hall, Colston Loveland team, and we're like sitting there in round five, and we're like, let's take Travion Henderson as like a potential hammer that could score a ton of points in a three week stretch. So your thoughts on where we have him ranked, where draft sharks has him ranked, what's the right answer here? Yeah, I think we're a little too low on him, but I keep waffling on him to be honest. I know we drafted him in that league, and then I said, hey, this is very, I'm not going to do this on every team, but this team it made sense given what we did in the first five rounds and the value we got. I don't know, I'm kind of getting less excited about Travion Henderson. He looks like the way more efficient back, although all of his big runs came without Ramon Drey Stevenson up against the worst run defenses in football. And then I found this that yesterday where, yeah, the yards for carry Travion Henderson almost led the league in yards for carry last year, but Ramon Drey Stevenson was the more efficient running back in man gap schemes. It was Travion Henderson going crazy on these outside zone runs, but every year of Josh McDaniel's career, he's called outside zone runs at one of the lowest rates in the league. He's called man gap runs, one of the highest rates in the league. And so Ramon Drey Stevenson, I think is just the better fit for the Josh McDaniel's run scheme. And that's going to be standing in the way of a bell cow roll for Travion Henderson. So what are you left with? It's two players. I don't want to draft. I think I'm going to be stuck in a committee, cannibalizing each other's upside if they're both fully healthy. So yeah, I don't think I'm too excited about this backfield. Yeah, I think I'm going to be a little bit more bullish on Travion than some, but I will say that it like Scott, you bring up great points. And I talked to a lot of like really, really successful high stakes managers in NFFC and FFPC, some that I draft with, some that I draft against. And I had one really successful manager tell me that he thinks Henderson's going even way too high. He thinks he should be closer to RJ Harvey this week. So like there's some negativity in all walks with Henderson. He's one of the most polarizing players in fantasy. Let us know in the comments what you think about Travion Henderson. And I'm sure he's a player that Scott, we're going to have to really dive into in July in August. I think he's an important player that we get right by the time we get to the really big money drafts. Let's pivot over to one more running back. To talk about, let's talk about David Montgomery. We have a slight difference here. Draftsharks has them as the RB 25 and we have them as the RB 19. So I'll say to you, Jared, like we saw this two years ago with Joe Mixon, where maybe we were all collectively a little bit too low on Mixon. Don't remember where you had him. Don't remember where Scott had him at the time. But with Montgomery, do you think there's a scenario where you could get really burned by him at this running back 25 or are you sort of like this guy feels like a dead zone back? Yeah, Draftsharks has never been low on Joe Mixon. I will say that. He's a guy we even last year we were too high. Yeah, I would guess our difference in the Montgomery ranking is that we still have Woody Marks projected to play a pretty significant role in this passing game. I definitely don't think that's a lock. He was not great in the passing game last year, although that kind of was his calling card coming into the league. So I think that's probably the difference here. That'll obviously sway Montgomery multiple spots in the rankings. Montgomery was still good last year, based on all the metrics you might look at. Rushyard's over-expected per attempt. He was 11th among 51 qualifying running backs. He was 17th in yards after contact per attempt. My two concerns. For starters, he just turned 29 years old. That's a dangerous age for a running back based on our aging curves that we've kind of put together. So I think that's a risk factor here. There are things here as he's just, it's just a big downgrade in situation going from Detroit to Houston, at least in terms of just offensive strength and I think touchdown opportunity. Lions have been top five in point scored each of the last three years. Houston's ranked 13th, 19th and 13th. So yes, I do think Montgomery's going to be the goal line back here. I don't think he's going to score as many touchdowns for the Texans as he did for the Lions the past few years. It's a worse offensive environment, but he's going from a 40% snap share guy to what I see as being an 80% snap share guy is 75%. You had Dan Campbell when asked why he traded him. He said, well, we love the player. We wish the best for him. He's going to go somewhere. He gets to be a bell cow Texans brass beat writers Aaron Wilson all saying he's going to be a bell cow. What he marks is dog shit. He stinks. And so I think we're going to get the same role that Joe Mixon had two years ago where he was over a hundred yards from scrimmage per game when healthy. He was over 19 fantasy points per game. He was 19.3 carries 3.7 targets per game. It doesn't really get much better than that for a team of the good defense, good game script. And I believe in the players talent agreed the age is a concern. I think he's a really underrated, certainly high success rate runner and a really underrated receiver two years ago. He let all running backs in both yards per route run and yards per target over expectation. And so yeah, I think this is it looks like an unsexy pick. But to me, it looks like a really sexy pick and I'm in on David Montgomery. Yeah, I think I see a comment in the chat where he's the classic dead zone back and I think that he does. have a ton of traits that have been like guys that have gone way, way down and shouldn't have been drafting that range. But I think it ultimately comes down to it. I understand Jared's talking about Woody marks. I think it comes down to your enthusiasm level for Woody marks and your belief in his involvement in the offense. Is he more of a true handcuff at this point behind Montgomery or a player that's going to mix in a ton? If you believe in that Montgomery is going to get a full on snapshot like Scott does, then I think he's a justifiable click because I think Houston's going to lean into him a ton. I also think like we talk about dead zone backs or maybe older backs that can break down as the season moves along. Maybe that happens to David Montgomery, but I think he's a quick start type pick where you're going to get that predictable volume over the first six, eight weeks of the year, maybe 20 plus touches a game. And when you look at like the running back scoring through like week eight, you're going to wish you had a little more David Montgomery. And depending on the way you draft structurally, it might not matter if he breaks down in week 12. I think he's a quick start type pick. So let us know the comments what you think about him. Let's get into wide receivers. We'll try to move quickly here. Jared, we're keeping you way too long. Appreciate your time. Jacobi Myers is the one that we have the biggest discrepancy of. And I think this one gets Scott a little bit sick because we've got Jacobi Myers ahead of Parker Washington. We've got also Jacobi Myers ahead of Brian Thomas Jr. for the BTJ bounce back crew draft sharks has Jacobi Myers at wide receiver 34. And we have him at wide receiver 23. This feels too high. Scott, why don't you talk about it first? No, it makes me it makes me too sick. You take it, Jared. Well, I think this is the first time I've ever been the low man, Dracoi Myers. I kind of think he's like, you know, this generation's Tyler Lockett, where he's just he's not a flashy player, but he's underrated. He's underrated target earner. You know, Myers kind of wherever he's gone, he's kind of been in that, you know, 20 to 22 percent target range. But I think the wide receiver 23 ranking is way too throughty for off the that would actually be the best finish in PPR points per game of Myers career. His best was a wide receiver 24 a couple of years ago outside of that. You know, he's been wide receiver 28 wide receiver 30 wide receiver 44. So he's he's kind of lived in the wide receiver three range last year with Jacksonville. He was wide receiver 27 in his nine games with the Jags. Some of that came before Washington really broke out a lot of that came with Brian Thomas Jr. sideline with, you know, his injury issue. So I like Myers. I think he's a good player. I think this is a passing in. I want a piece of, but I think I think you know, wide receiver 34 in a more of that mid range to low end wide receiver three is a lot more appropriate for his value. For me, it feels like Jacobi Myers is a kind of a has the safety element to him, where I think he'll be an important piece of the offense. But from a fantasy football perspective, he has the lowest upside outcome of any of these Jaguars wide receivers. Therefore, I think wide receiver 23 is a ceiling outcome for him. And that's sort of where we have in the projection. So it feels kind of wrong. Also like Parker Washington, you know, Scott, you brought up like the Chris Godwin outcome, BTJ, if it gets right and he's a little bit closer to what he was as a rookie, you're talking about double digit touchdowns for him. So for me, Myers just feels like a low upside pick that maybe gets you by in the flex early on, but it's more of a purgatory selection. So not even going to get a pain Scott with having to share his thoughts on this one. I'm sure we're going to talk about it the projections meeting. But Scott, let's talk about another player where this one gives me a lot of pain. Draftsharks has my guy Luther Burden at wide receiver 21 and Luther Burden at wide receiver 35 right now on fantasy points feels incredibly dangerous. And dare I say it reckless. Scott, your thoughts on this one, you got to talk on this one. Yeah, this, this is awful. I mean, all these make me angry. And again, I think this is the the Brett Whitefield influence here. Brett Whitefield does not think Luther Burden is anything special. And my argument is, I don't think it matters. I think Ben Johnson is just like the goat and can scheme these guys open. And like at a bare minimum, like even Brett would say like Luther Burden's a great yak guy. And so, you know, what he overlooks is, you know, the impact of PPRs and fantasies. He's looking at things from a real football perspective and things. Romo Dunes is a better talent. But I don't know that he's baking in that Romo Dunes was asked to have permanently gimpie foot, you know, and like the vibes couldn't be any worse. Whereas, you know, the the Luther bird and you know, Ben Johnson is gushing about him every practice. Caleb William same thing. A ton of upside here as maybe Ben Johnson's new Amin Ross St. Brown. I definitely agree with Jared here. And this is this is something we're going to have to, we're going to have to try and bully Chris into changing his projections tomorrow. Yeah. And Jared, but also if you could also share sort of your enthusiasm for Burden versus a Dunes day right now. Talk about where you have him ranked and how big of a gap is it? And I I should say how clear is it to you that Burden is the wide receiver you want to draft in Chicago? Well, this is kind of similar to me to the Brian Thomas Jr. Parker Washington, you know, discussion behind at the top here where our Dunes is just going to be doing more of that, you know, volatile down field work where, you know, Burden's going to be operating more near the line of scrimmage kind of getting those, you know, easy catches. I think Scott was a little bit to this is, you know, so DJ Moore has gone obviously leads behind 85 targets. 14 of those targets were designed to, according to fantasy points data. That was second on the Bears last year. Luther Burden led the Bears last year with 17 design targets. So that's a good starting point. And then you, you know, where are those 14 design targets that DJ Moore got last year going to go? I think a lot of them are going to go to Luther Burden. So he starts there with just like this really, I think a nice floor. I think his floor is underrated because the other thing here is that even if you don't believe in Luther Burden, like even if you think he's going to be the third option in this passing game, as I said before, it's going to be an extremely concentrated passing game. I think you're going to have Burden of Dunes and level and accounting for at least 60% of this team's targets, maybe like 70% of this team's targets. So I think even, again, even if you think he's the number three wide receiver, I think you're talking about guy who's going to get, you know, 17, 18% of this team's targets. And maybe then he finishes. I think where you guys haven't ranked is almost almost his floor of this season. Yeah, again, let's talk about what he said. I'm with you, Jared. Yeah, and I think it's a little bit of a, it's like, uh, succession. It's like, uh, Brett Whitefield's like a Logan Roy and Scott scheduling meetings when he's going to be out of town. So we can have a hostile takeover of like the Brett Whitefield win of the projections guys and get some of these like hot button players moved up in our ranking. So we'll see how it goes tomorrow. Scott, and I'm sure we'll give an update to the fantasy points viewers and listeners. Marvin Harrison, Jr. We are at wide receiver 44 draft sharks at wide receiver 33. I sort of think that this is reflective of a Wilson versus Harrison, Jr. thing where I'm more bullish on Marvin Harrison, Jr. I think wide receiver 33 feels about right. I feel like we're a little bit low. Where are you at, Jared? Kind of talk about where you have Harrison, Jr. And then Scott, you talk about where we have him. Yeah, so I think, you know, for us, still some difference just to the fact that Marvin Harrison, Jr. was a really strong prospect. I think, you know, that gets weighed less and less the further you get into a guy's NFL career, but he was still a very strong prospect. He finished wide receiver six in PPR points for game as a rookie. He was wide receiver 42 last year, but he had four games last year that he was clearly not healthy and or left early. If you just look at the eight games last year that Harrison played at least 70% of the Cardinals offensive snaps, he was wide receiver 21 in PPR points for game across those eight games. And then just comparing him to Michael Wilson, like what Wilson showed last year was awesome. I he passes the eye tests for me, but I mean, in those eight healthy games from Marvin Harrison, the targets were 59 for Harrison to 32 for Michael Wilson. It wasn't even close. Like Harrison remained the clear top guy in this passing game. Maybe the new coaching staff changes that, but until I see it, I'm just going to bank on the guy who was the clear target leader last year and was a, you know, top 10 pick in his draft with, you know, the strong resume, the strong bloodlines, all that stuff. So again, until I see it or hear something to make me think otherwise, I'm going to, I'm going to tree Harrison as the top wide receiver in this passing game. The one thing I always think of with with Marvin Harrison Jr. and you're bringing up, you know, his great, you know, prospect profile. I was talking to one of our charters to it. I think, you know, played college football at the FPS level. And he said he was watching Marvin Harrison Jr. And he really thought like whatever was ailing him was a confidence issue. There was like a drop in the end zone where like it seemed like he was about to cry. And then he was watching his routes throughout the rest of that game. And he seemed like he was sulking or just something like totally off about it. And he was telling me is like, you can't underestimate how important confidence is for a player. It's like the most potent PD there is. And it seemed like, yeah, maybe he could just get past that and go back to being who he was. I don't know. It's a tricky situation because Michael Wilson, when Marvin Harrison Jr. was out, was the best wide receiver in football. He was, he was averaging like 150 yards per game. He was looking like Jim Marchase. Who's to say that if Michael Wilson went down, Marvin Harrison Jr. wouldn't be doing the same thing because he was benefiting from those two wide receiver sets, which Ryan Heath has talked about a bunch. A new regime comes in. I don't think they. you know, they're tethered. They they care too much about Marvin Harrison Jr's draft capital. I think they're going to let the best player win. You have, uh, Michael Flore saying, um, Michael Wilson's going to be in the puker roll and you have Marvin Harrison Jr. in the Devonti Adams roll. Uh, my, my comment at Twitter is and I have my wife in the Sydney Sweeney roll. Shout out to Sydney Sweeney another. You're very interested in Sweeney Scott. Oh, yeah. I don't, I mean, who is it? Lots of references. Lots of references. But anyway, yeah, it's, it's, that seems like the more valuable roll to me, though, at the end of the day, I don't think I'm targeting either of these guys because you have Marvin Harrison Jr. has never come close to living up to his draft capital. Uh, and you have Michael Wilson who, who has like a career high 50 receiving yards in a game that Marvin Harrison Jr. was healthy. And it's just an offense that I think is going to be, you know, among the worst in the league. And, uh, you also have Trinic Bride. He's probably the true alpha. So I think I'm just out on everyone. But, but agree. This is a tricky situation. One last player to cover. And again, thank you, Jared, for being so generous with your time here. Went way, way over a big shout out to all of the live viewers. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. If you're not subscribed to the channel and make sure you hit that like button and make sure you're following all of Jared's work over draft sharks as well. Some awesome stuff that they always put out in July and in August. Derek Brown is going to be joining me tomorrow morning live at 10 a.m. Uh, Debron is our guy from fantasy pros. It's always a blast when we, when we, when we drop shows and heathcomings of CBS is going to be joining me on on Friday. We're going to be talking some dynasty. That should be a lot of fun. Uh, let's talk about Alec Pierce final player. We are plus 11 here. We have him at wide receiver 28 and draft sharks has him at wide receiver 39. So Jared, it feels like you're not buying into Alec Pierce as a opportunistic wide receiver one in this offense. Does that mean you're into Josh downs? Yeah, I'm into Josh downs and I meant to tie their Warren. And Tyler Warren is that, you know, two colds. I'd rather draft an Alec spirit. Alec Pierce, I'm just have Josh downs. Um, because I think I think that was one I looked up where we were actually still way higher. We have a wide receiver 34. Oh my gosh. You guys are way higher than us. We have 51. So yeah. Um, so with, uh, yeah, I think our our downs projection. We're kind of hedging about, you know, whether he's going to be a full time player or not. I think we have his route where I drop up around like 75% where he could get to 85%. If I if I make that change, he's going to climb you into the top 40 wide receivers probably, but with, um, you know, with, with Pierce, um, I'm just not convinced that the big contract is suddenly going to make him a high-end target earner, which he just has not been in the NFL yet. Even, even last year, 17.4% target share. That was 41st among wide receivers, 0.19 targets per route. That was 58th among wide receivers. So, you know, he finished wide receivers 27 and PPR points per game last year, but he was wide receiver 38 and expected points per game. So you're really kind of banking on that high-end efficiency continuing. And I do think I think Tyler Warren is going to lead this team in targets. And I think if Josh Downs gets a full time usage, you know, is playing in two wide receivers sets, I think he's going to out target. Alec Pierce pretty easily as well. I think that's one of the best stacks you can make is is if you draft Warren, make sure you draft Josh Downs because, you know, if Josh Downs is a full-time player, then you got like a really strong mid to high-end tight end one and one of the steals of the draft. And then if you're wrong, then yeah, Tyler Warren could just be like cheaper, closer, and loved one. Exactly. I think one thing with Alec Pierce is he's a player that I want to have some exposure to, especially in Bestball because I understand we're looking at him kind of in the light of the last couple of years where he led the NFL in yards per reception. But I'll just say to both you guys who are chasing upside in a lot of your draft processes, what if the cults really do get him to 120 targets this year? We've heard sort of rumblings of the targets are going to go up. Maybe a few more manufactured targets on top of the Downfield looks and we saw him thrive with Daniel Jones at times last year. So I'll just throw that one out there. I feel like maybe we should be somewhere in the middle here based on where you guys have them and based on where we have them. But I think comfortably high wide like wide receiver 32 split the difference here. But I think he's a guy that has a range of outcomes, so to speak. So really, really good stuff. And again, Jared Smola super generous with this time. You cooked as always. Make sure you check out all Scott Barrett's work over at fantasypoints.com. Check out all of my work over at fantasypoints.com. Make sure you check out everything Jared's doing over draft sharks and make sure you tune in every day here at 10 a.m. And check out the other shows we're dropping. Fantasy points YouTube is going to help you crush your fantasy leagues this season. We'll see you soon. (upbeat music)