This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed Human I survived nine months in captivity and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart and these are the survivor files. Every week I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable, abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. These are stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to the survivor files with the Elizabeth Smart on the iHeart Radio app Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. On the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering the ride on his motorcycle. I choose option B. I'm Julie Pinero and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word Solita, trading the pity for possibility. Listen to Solita on the iHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey this is Hayes Davenport and Sean Clements. We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook. Each week we talk to someone in show business and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us. Everyone has a good time and no one gets mad at their publicists for letting them do our show. We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman, Adam Scott, Danny McBride, Ben Stillert and a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the iHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Our hometown is not a test tube. 90 miles northeast of Nashville, a battle for the future of America plays out in one small town. Developers with right wing ties have purchased hundreds of acres of land. We need cities on a shining hill. This is our town, a podcast about what happens when a small town becomes the site of a social experiment and fights back. I guess you didn't move in on a bunch of dumb hillbillies now, did you? Listen to our town on the iHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Bora's new plea deal expires on the day this episode comes out, Friday, June 26th. But we likely won't have an answer until Monday, June 29th. As we wait, I want to catch you up on what's been happening over the past six weeks, outside of Laura's criminal proceedings. First, I spoke with the journalist who's been in touch with the Owens family. We believe our daughter then, we believe her now, we stood by her then, we stand by her now. Then, we have an update on the Owens family home foreclosure and their bankruptcy filings. Their adult daughter, who has autism, also resides at the property. Displacement from this property would cause severe disruption to a household organized entirely around the medical needs of an elderly, seriously ill resident. Plus, it seems like Laura's been staying active online. We have received a privacy complaint regarding your content. Upon our analysis of your claim, we have removed the content in question. I'm Stephanie Young and this is Love Trapd. ♪ Whoever, ever, ever, ever, ever ♪ ♪ Try to leave ♪ Since the podcast dropped, there is one topic everyone seems particularly interested in. Laura's parents, Ron Owens and Jan Black. How much do they actually know? Do they support Laura? To find out, I turned to longtime Bay Area reporter Martha Ross. She first reached out to Ron and Jan back in January of 2025. I saw a Facebook post from a friend of theirs, a former KGO colleague, who was talking about this GoFundMe for Ron Owens. And I thought this is really startling news given Ron's stature in the Bay Area and an assumption that given his 40 years at KGO that he was probably pretty well off and why would he need to go fund me. But I also know he was very beloved in the community, so I emailed him. On December 31, 2024, a GoFundMe campaign was launched for Ron Owens. Keep in mind the timeline here. This was nearly six months after the Arizona Family Court had already ruled on Laura and Clayton's paternity case. But when Martha first reached out to Ron and Jan, she didn't know that yet. As a veteran San Francisco reporter, she was simply trying to find out more about the fundraiser for a legendary local broadcaster. They talked about the insurance they had didn't quite cover all their medical expenses. And I was sympathetic to that. I think we've all heard of that being the reality for many people, so it made sense to me. Ron's GoFundMe is still active online. It lays out a long list of severe health challenges. We've had a section of the GoFundMe page read by a voice actor. Ron is facing profound challenges. After living with Parkinson's disease for 23 years, his health battles haven't intensified. He has courageously faced not only Parkinson's but also four bouts of cancer, most recently colon cancer and serious heart issues. These medical struggles have taken a toll both physically and financially on the man who has been a pillar of strength for so many. At the time I'm recording this, the GoFundMe for Ron has raised over $136,000. But to put those numbers in perspective, Ron and Jan filed for bankruptcy last year, where they reported an income of about $21,000 per month. That contrast has fueled intense online speculation that the crowdsource funds are potentially being used to cover Laura's legal fees. I obtained a copy of an email sent to past donors of the GoFundMe, the subject line reads, "A message from Ron." We've had an excerpt read by a voice actor. Life has continued to test me. Parkinson's, four bouts of cancer, serious heart and mobility issues, and the ongoing financial strain. On top of all this, our family is now facing another heartbreaking chapter with the recent politically motivated indictment of my daughter, Laura. This stems from a legitimate paternity claim she filed a couple years ago against a former reality TV star. Laura was pregnant at the time and tragically suffered a miscarriage. What's been especially painful is that the man she filed the claim against publicly denied she was ever pregnant and shockingly convinced a judge to question the verified medical records, photographs, and video documentation that Laura had submitted. Watching her personal tragedy dismissed and twisted has been gut wrenching, and to see it further monetized and distorted by online content creators has made it worse. That said, "I want to be completely clear. The GoFundMe was created solely to support me and my needs. None of these funds have been or will be used for Laura's legal expenses." Back in January 2025, Bay Area reporter Martha Ross began working on a story about Ron Owen sent his fundraiser. At the time, Martha didn't know anything about the paternity scandal. During her first interview with Ron and Jan, she was surprised when they began steering the conversation to a different topic. Their daughter, Laura. Jan did a lot of the talking, but Ron would interject every once in a while. During that conversation, they also told me a lot of other things about how a lot of their financial struggles were because they felt like there was this internet smear campaign against them, and it was affecting some of their businesses. Then they opened up about how Laura had gotten into this situation with Clayton Eckert, the Bachelor, and I didn't know anything about the Bachelor. I haven't followed that show, and I also didn't know about this online community of YouTubers who are following us. So it was all news to me. Soon, Martha began to investigate. There was one claim in particular that caught her attention. They brought up those allegations that are part of the public record that Laura was lured into an encounter. They were referring to the highly serious and unproven allegation that Greg Gillespie and his attorney Greg Woodnick somehow conspired to have Laura sexually assaulted. You've heard about that in episode five. They both said that there is an FBI profiler that Ron had interviewed was aware of the situation, and Ron said, "I believe it. I totally believe it." Towards the end of that initial call, Laura joined the conversation. They started telling me about Laura's situation with Clayton, and then she had these issues with these other men. There was legal case and protective orders and things like that. I said, "You know, maybe this is something I could follow up in the future." And Martha did exactly that. Less than a week later, she was on a call with Laura. I asked Martha whether Laura was still sticking to the narrative that she was pregnant with Clayton's twins. Yes, she was. She was sticking to them.
story that she had the medical evidence and Ron and Jan were supporting her. Martha still had unanswered questions, so she circled back to Ron and Jan for a second interview. I was just trying to get some more information from their perspective about this whole case as I was still learning more. Jan again did most of the talking bit Ron when he spoke. He made it very clear that they support her and they believe that she was pregnant and that they also support her pursuing court cases against these men that she was right to do it. That's when the conversation took a turn and they brought up the online community. They both referred to the Clayton cult and they thought that Clayton had been trying to organize people against them. Jan said that the smear campaign against them. She said it's been horrific while Ron said it's made it difficult for us to live our lives. And Jan said the thing is our daughter got pregnant by the guy who was a bachelor who first didn't believe she was pregnant. And Jan said he had a really bad reputation was using the situation to quote resurrect his image. They spoke out against podcasters and content creators. Jan said they have "seized on the story to make one hour shows." Martha also pressed Jan on the pattern of behavior at the core of this entire saga. The fact that Laura had claimed pregnancies by three different men and had restraining orders involving each of them. Jan said she didn't think it was quote that unusual. Unquote for a woman in her early 30s to quote have been pregnant you know with three different men and to have protective orders against them. She also said she and her husband believe quote all the information unquote that their daughter and her attorneys have presented in the courts. Since those initial conversations Martha's been reporting on the story for the Mercury news. In May 2026 she sent a new list of questions to the Owens family. I reached out to them via email letting them know that I was working on a story about the role that they've played in supporting Laura throughout her pregnancy claims and court actions. I sent a list of questions asking Laura if she maintained she was pregnant by Mike Greg and Clayton. I asked about the plea bargain whether Laura was considering it whether they were concerned about a prison sentence and so on. And a few days later Martha got a 23 page response. They sent back a response. It came from Jan's email and it was signed by Ron and Jan. This makes Martha one of the only people in the media who's heard from Ron and Jan since the podcast began. I want to walk you through what they said. The response began. We want to express concern about the framing of many of the questions being posed. A significant number of them contain embedded messages, assumptions and language that appear to adopt narratives promoted online and in the podcast love trapped rather than approaching these matters from a neutral or investigative standpoint. One of Martha's questions directly addressed our show. She asked quote with the podcast love trapped. Ron and Jan have come under scrutiny about the role they played in publicly supporting Laura's pregnancy claims and court actions against Mara Chini, Gillespie and Eckerd. Do Ron and Jan want to comment on the podcast? They said love trapped never contacted us directly. We've lived the story with Laura in real time. Know the truth and have no interest in hearing a fictionalized account of what happened. I, Jan, reach out to the production twice in emails to producer Stephanie Young in August 2025 offering to provide my account. I never received any response. To me, no response equals no interest in telling our side of the story. I need to interject here. First, as you heard in episode 12, I have no record of communications from Jan Black and my company or personal inbox. In fact, when our team asked Laura if we could speak with her mother, Jan, we got to reply back stating that because Jan is listed as a witness in the criminal proceedings, she can't speak on the record. We continued extending the offer via email to Laura for her or her family to participate in an interview, but they were unresponsive. Second, the phrasing and Jan's response gave me déjà vu. We know that Laura often uses the word equals in the same way as this typed response from Jan. Like in an email, Laura sent to Clayton on September 5th, 2023. Laura said, "Just confirming that you are refusing a paternity test. No answer equals refusing it." This was the rest of Jan's response to Martha about love trapped. Based on what we've seen in episode transcripts damaging specific allegations about us and our family were made to an international podcast audience without any attempt to get our input. That is not journalism. This actually sounds a lot like what Laura wrote and her final email to me. When I requested her comment for the podcast, Laura wrote back saying, "What this production has done to us, knowingly with the record in hand and with every opportunity to correct it is not journalism." Martha's next set of questions addressed Laura's relationship with Mike Marichini. I asked did Laura and Ron offer Mike the chance of a radio career by having him record a podcast on Millennial Dating? Did Ron tell Mike he could earn up $250,000 a year and their response was, "No, no offer was made, no contract existed, no payment was ever discussed." That would have been an incredibly high salary for someone new to the industry. An industry veteran like Ron would never have made such an offer. From there, Martha questioned Laura's ongoing pursuit of the domestic violence restraining order against Mike, even though they lived 700 miles apart and haven't had contact for years. I asked, "Do you support her continuing to pursue this?" And their response was, "Most abusers denying being abusive in the court system, the dismissal of the DVRO extension had nothing to do with the merits of the case. And Mike's public conduct before and since that dismissal independently warrants protection." And as far as Laura's criminal case in Arizona goes, it doesn't sound like they are willing to share any information. On matters involving Laura's criminal case, any potential plea deal, the possibility of a prison term, they referred those questions to Laura's criminal defense attorney. One of the biggest questions Martha threw at them was about accountability. I also asked, "What do Laura, Ron, or Jan say to people who have accused Laura of abusing the court system, taking up time and resources that could go to victims and making it difficult for women to be believed when they come forward with abuse allegations?" They said it has been painful for her to pursue these cases and she has been very brave in doing so. It would have been easier for her to remain quiet. The suggestion that she has abused the court system ignores both the facts and the actual outcomes of multiple legal proceedings across nearly a decade. And finally, Martha asked Ron and Jan a question that I think we've all been wanting an answer to. She asked, "Given everything lost financially over the past several years, and the emotional toll from the investigation, bankruptcy filings, and media scrutiny, would Ron or Jan have wanted to do anything differently?" They said, "No. We love her and it's been profoundly painful to see her be the target of an effort to destroy every aspect of her life. We continue to be in awe of her courage." I'm Munga Shategatherer and I'm back with a new season of the podcast Skyline Drive. This time I'm diving into a rabbit hole of peptides, organoids, blood boys, blue zones, and brain replacement to try to understand what this longevity obsession is all about. And what it really means to live forever, for all of us. I learned about some rad science. I can make a brain for you, and then we can test what draw is the best for your brain, as opposed to his brain. Here's some hard truths. I would expect Indians to age faster, but I did not expect it to be almost a four to five year acceleration and get myself into a world of trouble. I'd say probably start bone smashing. "That doesn't work." "Make you look more defined. They say it works. I don't know." Listen to Skyline Drive, how to live forever on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I can wait four hours for the next bus, or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle. I choose option B. I'm Julie Bignero and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people and they were like, "You smiled at us, not a lot of people smile around here." It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is, and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits. [BLANK_AUDIO]
change your mind or wake up to a new version of yourself. So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. - Hey, this is Hayes Davenport. - And Sean Clements. - We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook on the big money players network. - Our show is extremely accessible to first-time listeners. Each week we talk to someone in show business, AKA The Biz, and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us. - We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman, not that great. - Can you help me shape this? How about we flip it on his head? How about we flip this around, okay? How, what is the surprise one, man? Well, actually, you think as the straight man is actually the one who's acting weird. Adam Scott, love. - This entire time you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come to visit the show. - I would never let go of that. - I have, you would never set expectations for something like that. - It sounds like if the universe allows for something like that to happen. - I am open to it. - I'm always going to accept, you know. - Danny McBride, fine. - Yeah, it's all this fragile masculinity exuding. I could smell it walking on the hallway to be honest with you. - I was like, I was like, is that what you need? - Nope. - It's fragile masculinity. - Ben stiller, no. - I think there's a lot of times out of context, people don't get it, or even know what a circle is. You know what I mean? Like you're like, "Oh, it's so stupid." - Everyone's so dumb. - Ben, fake. - Right, fake and also not interested, or just like, "Oh, I've got my life. I don't care about your life." - And a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us. - Oh, and by the way, Will Ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a guest on every episode, but he's just so busy. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. - When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and health captive for nine months. I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the survivor files. - I just remember this low-taunting voice next to my ear saying, "Shut up, don't say anything." - Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. - I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. - I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming. - They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. Their stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to the survivor files with Elizabeth Smart on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. - In the past few weeks, there have been some important updates on the Owens family finances and bankruptcy filings. It might seem technical, but the documents filed in the public record give us an insight into their unique family dynamic. And luckily, the recordings of these hearings are available on YouTube. Let's start with Laura. As you know, in December 2025, Laura Owens filed for bankruptcy. Five months later, all parties agreed to dismiss the case. That was bad news for her. It means the case is dismissed, not her debts. Laura still owes her creditors, including roughly $200,000 to Clayton Eckerd. While the dismissal was largely expected, given the mutual agreement, nothing was official until May 14th. That happened to be Laura's 36th birthday. And she spent part of it dialing into her bankruptcy court hearing. - Okay, I'm going to ask for appearances in the Laura Owens case I'm going to start in the courtroom, please. - Good afternoon, Your Honor. Jennifer, GM on behalf of the United States Trustee. - Thank you. - Jennifer, GMO is the Department of Justice Attorney assigned to Laura's case. If her name sounds familiar, it's because you might remember her from one of Laura's previous bankruptcy hearings in February. - How old are you? - I'm 35. So 35 years, you have never had made any income on your own to pay your own bills. - The hearing continued and the list of people in attendance only grew from there. Is there anybody else who wants to make an appearance? - Your Honor, this is Christian Looters. I am the so-in attorney in her criminal matter in the Maricopa County case. I'm not making an official appearance in this case. I don't think I'm standing to do so. I'm not a bankruptcy attorney, and I'm not representing her in that matter. I'm here only for informational purposes only. - Christian Looters is the new criminal defense attorney that you've already heard about. Him calling into this bankruptcy hearing seems like a sign of a proactive attorney. He's likely trying to monitor all Laura's ongoing legal matters. Even those falling outside the scope of her criminal case. - I do understand that I also have several people that are listening in and not making an appearance today. And I understand that's because this debtor has been in the news and also on social media. - From there, all parties, including Laura, officially agreed to dismiss her bankruptcy filing. The whole hearing lasted about six minutes. And it ended with the judge signing the dismissal order. - I find good cause to approve the motion and the agreements that are set forth then are therein that would bar the refiling of a bankruptcy case for one year. And I will sign the order. Thank you for coming in. - For the next year, she can't file for bankruptcy again. And the people who Laura owes money to, including Clayton, can try to collect from her. But as we heard in episode 12, it's hard to collect from someone who appears to have no personal assets. As for Ron and Jan's bankruptcy, it's not quite as simple. There's a lot of technical jargon, but it's worth explaining because it shows a pattern. Last minute appeals, hail Mary attempts, escalating medical crises, and seemingly small clerical errors that are used to buy time. Laura's parents, Ron Owens and Jan Black, filed for bankruptcy in August 2025. Because they failed to comply with the court, that filing was dismissed this past January. Their debts, however, remained fully intact. Martha Ross, the San Francisco journalist you heard from earlier, asked Ron and Jan about their finances. Their answer came in that 23 page response she received in early May. - I actually didn't specifically ask about the bankruptcy because that seemed like it was in the past, but I did ask about the foreclosure on their home and the upcoming auction. - As you might remember, Ron and Jan's home in Scottsdale was set to be sold in a foreclosure auction on May 26th, 2026. Martha asked them about the upcoming foreclosure sale. - Their response was, "We're taking steps to avoid it," and that's all they said. - On Friday night, May 22nd, four days before the auction, I was out to dinner celebrating my best friend's birthday when you guessed it, my phone started blowing up. The first text came in at 710 PM from Schnitzel Ninja. It said, "Ron and Jan filed for bankruptcy again, getting details." Now, I'm admittedly not a bankruptcy expert. So once again, I turned to Tiffany Robertson, better known in the community as big tiff dog. Tiffany recently retired from a career in the financial services industry and has been part of the online community tracking the Laura Owens case. - Ron and Jan filed a last minute, chapter 11 petition in the Arizona bankruptcy court on May 22nd at like 3.30 PM. - Their first filing was a chapter 13, which is essentially a payment plan for people trying to catch up on bills or save their house from foreclosure. But this new filing is a chapter 11. That's a more complex process, built for businesses and high debt individuals. - It's extremely complex. Like, it definitely shouldn't be done without an attorney. - But in this filing, Ron and Jan are representing themselves and a familiar name has been added to the docket. - We saw that Jennifer Jammo, almost immediately filed an appearance in this case. Jennifer Jammo, the Department of Justice Attorney, previously involved in Laura's bankruptcy is also assigned to this filing. This could be a coincidence, but one thing is for sure. Miss Jammo is already quite familiar with the nuances of the Owens family finances. And based on what I've heard about Jennifer Jammo, she's not going to let inconsistency slide. I also couldn't help but wonder if Ron and Jan filed for bankruptcy again to try and delay the auction of their home. Luckily, the answer came just days later. On June 4th, 2026, Ron and Jan requested an extension to file their bankruptcy paperwork. Here's an excerpt from that filing, read by a voice actor. On May 22nd, 2026, debtors filed a voluntary chapter 11 petition on an emergency basis without counsel to preserve the automatic stay
and prevent the non-judicial foreclosure sale of their primary residence, which was scheduled to proceed on May 26th, 2026. The petition was filed in good faith and for no purpose other than the protection of debtors' home. Ron and Jan were clearly worried that this new bankruptcy filing wouldn't protect their home, leaving it vulnerable to being put back on the auction block. This time, they have a few medical explanations for why the house shouldn't be sold. The property has been specifically adapted to accommodate the medical needs of Ronald Owens, who is 80 years old, has lived with Parkinson's disease for 25 years, has survived four separate bouts of cancer, carries a cancer diagnosis, and has serious heart disease. Elizabeth Ann Naylor, age 69, is his primary caregiver and provides daily medical care, medication management, and physical assistance. Elizabeth Naylor is Jan Black's legal name. That's a story for another day. Because of their refiling, the Owens family home was protected from foreclosure action, at least until June 21st, 2026. Ron and Jan requested an emergency bankruptcy hearing to address their main concern, being able to protect their assets, specifically their home. That hearing happened on June 18th, just a week before this episode's release. And I don't think it went the way Ron and Jan were hoping it would. Ms. Naylor and Mr. Owens, this is your emergency motion to extend the automatic stay in this case. It's your burden to prove that this case was filed in good faith and you have to have clear and convincing evidence. The primary thing the court is looking for is what circumstances changed between when Ron and Jan's first bankruptcy case was dismissed and the filing of their new case. It seemed to the judge that their income had remained the same. The judge had questions for Ron and Jan about what brought them back into bankruptcy court. Jan starts to answer and the judge interrupts her. - Well, the prior 13 was dismissed, not because we abandoned it, but because our attorney didn't act when I asked him to and writing, "Well, let me just stop and interrupt you there because I've reviewed the papers filed in the prior case and the reason your case was dismissed is because you did not turn over to the trustee tax returns and because your plan payments were delinquent." So whatever may have happened with your attorney, you know, that, I don't know what happened there, but filing your taxes and turning over your returns and paying your plan payments are all within your control. - Correct. - Jan tried to explain to the judge why their tax returns weren't filed and why their payments were delinquent. As far as the plan payment is concerned, we had some major unexpected expenses that could not be put off. We had major storm damage and cleanup that had been required and we had septic tank issues and we had car repair issues and the money had to go into those things from an emergency crisis standpoint. Going forward, we would anticipate that the amount of income that we have that is guaranteed, the $21,000 a month income that is guaranteed under our social security and pension benefits would be enough to get us to give us the restart that we need here. - Then the judge asked to hear from Jennifer Gianmo, the attorney representing the US trustee. Miss Gianmo was audibly frustrated with Ron and Jan's excuses. - I would argue that you have sufficient grounds before you right now to deny this motion because as you're pointed out, there is no clear convincing evidence. There's no evidence at all in this case that there's been a change of circumstances and I think that by allowing this case to continue and giving these debtors an opportunity, even a short one to try to file new schedules that might have again more misrepresentations, all we're doing is postponing the inevitable and allowing these debtors to continue abusing the system. And that's what this is. Thank you, Aaron. - But before the hearing ended, Ron and Jan were asked about the GoFundMe. This was Jan's response to the judge. - If you're honored, I imagine this has to do with the Snared campaign, which has been going on against our family for the last three years. A GoFundMe was set up on behalf of my husband by friends and that was set up in December of 2024 and it was set up at that time in an effort to try to help us prevent the bankruptcy situation. - Jennifer Giamo jumped in. - Yorna, may I, if I can just intervene here real quick, I think what the issue is is that there was a GoFundMe set up in the name of Mr. Mrs. Owens and I think there was over $100,000 generated and that was never disclosed in the chapter 13 or in this case, that's what the issue is. - I hate having to say this, but once again, the hearing was continued and no decision was made. But the judge wants to see Ron and Jan again very soon. - So July 1st at 2 p.m. we'll resume this hearing. The court will impose a temporary stay. This hearing is concluded, thank you. - I'm Mungusha Teguera and I'm back with a new season of the podcast Skyline Drive. This time I'm diving into a rabbit hole of peptides, organoids, blood boys, blue zones and brain replacement to try to understand what this longevity obsession is all about. And what it really means to live forever for all of us. - I can make a brain for you and then we can test what draw is the best for your brain, as opposed to his brain. - Here are some hard truths. - I would expect Indians to age faster, but I did not expect it to be almost a four to five year acceleration. - And get myself into a world of trouble. - I'd say probably start bone smashing. - That doesn't work. - Make you look more defined. - They say it works. I don't know. - Listen to Skyline Drive, how to live forever on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. - If you're bookshelf and you're for you page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Pro's Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives and anyone who thinks pride and prejudice and love island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo, and every week, we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. - I'm gonna have to look up this story. I'm obsessed, so obsessed. - From best-selling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments, nothing is off the table. - It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters and that is a Trojan horse. Whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place. Listen to Pro's Society on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages. - And Sean Clements. Each week, we talk to someone in show business, aka The Biz, and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us. - Actually, can you help me shape this? Actually, you think as the straight man is actually the one who's acting weird. Adam Scott, love. - This entire time, you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come to visit the show. - I am open to it. - Nope. - It's a fragile masculinity. - Ben still or no? - I think there's a lot of times out of context, people don't get it or even know what a circle is. Like you're like, "Oh, it's so stupid." - Everyone's so dumb for you. - And fake. - Oh, and by the way, Will Ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he
It wants to be a guest on every episode, but he's just so busy! Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped, and health captive for nine months. I just remember this low-taunting voice next to my ear saying "Shut up, don't say anything." Every week, I'm with survivors who lived through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming. They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced, but these aren't stories about what's taken from them. Their stories about what it takes to make it out alive, listen to the survivor files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. I haven't heard from Mora Owens in the past few weeks. It's been quiet, but that's not true for everyone. I've recently checked in with some of the content creators who've been following the story from the beginning, and it turns out, many of them are experiencing something frustrating. Knowing that listeners were eager for more context and different perspectives, reality Steve decided to release a video of himself reading the emails Laura had sent him. My emails with her were only from September of 2023 through January of 2024, and I read my responses to all of them, and I was like, let me just do a YouTube video and put it out and happy people watch it. It took him over two hours to read through the emails and share his commentary, which he then uploaded to YouTube. And about three days after I did it, I got an email from YouTube legal support that said I've had a privacy complaint filed against me, and it talked about videos are not allowed to have any visuals of anybody or doxing any of that. And I was just like, outside of Laura's email address, that was the only thing I didn't blur out. Two days later, he received an email from YouTube, stating that his video had been deactivated. With the help of the online community, he meticulously reviewed the footage to identify what might have triggered the privacy complaint. They reposted the video like three weeks later with everything blurred out that needed to be blurred out. I got the same exact formal email that I got after the first video went up. 517 PM on May 20th is when I got the second complaint filed against me. It was generic, and the timestamps were exactly the same as almost like they cut and pasted their first email. Nothing was different. Reality Steve wasn't the only creator hit with a privacy complaint on May 20th. And Schnitzel-Ninja received one as well. So after the hearing that was on May 20th, a complex case management conference, sometime later that day, I received an email that said a privacy complaint had been made against my entire YouTube channel. And they give you 48 hours to edit or remove the information that was complained about. Schnitzel-Ninja was no stranger to YouTube's flagging system. In late 2023, six of her videos featuring court recordings were hit with privacy complaints. However, after she made the necessary adjustments, YouTube took no further action. In my research and from prior reports that have been made, you have to be the subject of the content in order to file the complaint, a privacy complaint specifically. In order to be a privacy complaint, and to report the whole channel, that person would have to be in all of the content on the channel. And so the only person who is likely in all of the content on my channel is Laura herself. Schnitzel-Ninja's content has also faced copyright challenges. A compilation video she uploaded of Laura falling during horse competitions received two copyright removal requests. For those, it gives contact information and it also gives you the complaint that was made. So the first one had Laura's email address and her complaint. And the second one had her mom's name on it. But Laura's email address was listed under contact info. As I mentioned, when it comes to privacy complaints, YouTube rarely specifies exactly what triggers a violation. They are frustratingly unclear. Even after reality Steve edited his video to address potential issues, he was still hit with the second complaint. It was even more frustrating for Schnitzel-Ninja, who didn't just get a video flag, but had her whole channel report it. Since the complaint is so broad, Schnitzel-Ninja is having a hard time trying to pinpoint what the actual issue is. I do want to comply with the rules as I think everyone should, but when it's a blanket complaint like this, it doesn't leave the content creator any room to try to make a change other than, which is what I'm assuming she would prefer is that the channel, just all of the content be gone and the channel not exists anymore. I understand that she may not like what's on there, but the majority of my channel is covering public information, court videos, court documents, police, body cam, police calls, all things that have been properly obtained through all of the legal channels. And therefore, as a content creator, how do you even go about remedying this complaint? Both Schnitzel-Ninja and reality Steve submitted responses to dispute the privacy complaints from May 20th. It's just frustrating more than anything because this was her telling me her side of the story and what I said in my video was like the one thing that Laura has complained about is everybody just believes it's on the love trap podcast and it is biased and nobody is hearing her side. Well, this was literally her side of the story from September of 2023 when this first started until January of 2024, emails were literally saying, "No, you're wrong, Steve, and this is why." Now I didn't think any of her reasons were legitimate and I didn't believe them and I think most people that read those emails and listened to me read those emails agreed, it's still a bunch of crap, but she was at least getting her side out there and now that we're letting her side out there by reading her emails, I'm invading privacy, it makes no sense whatsoever. The content creators have been through this before with Laura, but it's different this time because now Laura is a defendant in a high profile criminal case. Even still, she's trying the same tactic, trying to silence the people who talk about her alleged crimes. I feel like she is back to in some ways this Laura that we saw in 2023, which is this Laura who is still proclaiming her innocence, who is still trying to get anything negative removed about her from the internet, we know that she did a lot of complaints against content that was online, I think she really is still trying to control the narrative so that there's less negative stuff about her out there. Mike Marachini has also been trying to wipe negative content about himself from the internet. You probably remember Laura's TEDx talk about their Iceland trip. The first thing he did once we landed in Iceland and got to the hotel was asked me to pick a number, not knowing why I picked 40. He said that was how many times he was going to slap me. He did and then he choked me. A lot of people have reached out to TEDx trying to get this video taken down and even caught the attention of 12 news, a local Phoenix TV station who ran a segment on it in June 2026. Valley resident and former star of the Bachelor is upset over a TED talk that remains online. The video shows Laura Owens give life advice to others despite Owens being under multiple criminal indictments for allegedly lying in a paternity scandal. 12 news investigative reporter Sean Rice reached out to TEDx for comment.
When we started researching this case, our team also reached out to TEDx to get a statement. We never received a response. After seeing this local news story, I figured I would try again. I wrote back to TEDx, giving them a little background on the developments in this case. I said, quote, "I realize that an indictment is not a conviction, but I know that numerous people, including Mike Marichini himself, have asked for this video to be removed from the TEDx YouTube page." I am requesting a response to the following question. If Laura Owens is convicted of felonies in the state of Arizona, does TEDx plan to remove her video from their YouTube channel? To my surprise, this time, I got a response. It was three simple words. Yes, we do. So, according to TEDx, if Laura is convicted of felonies in the state of Arizona, we should expect to see that video removed from YouTube. Those are all the updates I have for now. On Monday, June 29th, we'll all be watching to see if Laura takes the plea deal. If there's news, I'll be back with a short update. And as the criminal proceedings continue, we'll bring you more episodes of "Love Trapped." Thank you so much for listening. Please be sure to follow "Love Trapped" on Apple podcasts, the iHeart radio app, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. And please leave us a review, a five-star rating helps others find this show. We're grateful for your support. If you would like to reach out to the "Love Trapped" team or have a similar story to share, email us at
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