Falcons run all over Packers for first win of season

Welcome to the athletic football show brought to you by the US bank smartly visa signature card. I'm Robert Mays. Man, I was a doozy of a Thursday night game in a way that I don't think anybody could have expected. The Atlanta Falcons break out in a big way monster games from Bijan Robinson and Drake Wunden after that offense was de-awaited the first two weeks of Cooper Rush and a fantastic debut from Michael Pentax. If you're a Michael Pentax believer, we dug into all the positives for the Falcons, but just as many negatives for the Packers. There is a chance this thing gets really ugly in Green Bay based on the state of the offensive line, some other areas of that roster. Dug into all of that with Derek Classen on this recap. Let's get to it right now. I'd like to start this conversation by apologizing to the Atlanta Falcons. We were making jokes about the Falcons being in prime time a bunch over the next few weeks. How I can't believe we have three state straight Falcons games in prime time. I want to sincerely apologize because that team and especially that offense with Michael Pentax back, that's worthy of prime time viewing. They did not deserve the derision that they received from us on this program over the last few days as we stared down those three prime time games. That's where I want to begin this conversation with a very real main Copa. Yeah, not if they're going to be that every week, and I don't know if they will, but at least that team looked way more competitive than they had. I mean, obviously the Steelers game was close, but neither of those teams looked serious that week, I would say. I think two part of the thing with Michael Pentax, he looked totally solid this week. I just think even over these next three prime time games, it was like, man, he hasn't really played football in a while. Even if you thought the offense might look better when he's back eventually, was it really going to look good his first week or two back and like the first sign we got of it is like, even if he wasn't exceptional in any way, it's like the offense can be an offense now, and Drake London can dunk on people. John Robinson can be incredible. Like the offense works, and that's enough when you have these skill players. You look at both of these sides in this game, and it is such a stark reminder of how much it matters to have a real NFL quarterback, even if you change out nothing else, having a guy that even if flawed, we can talk about Pentax, even if flawed is a real NFL quarterback. What it does for the functionality of your offense, but also just, you think the guys in that locker room know that they have a shot with Michael Pentax that they didn't have with Cooper Rush. You think they know that? You think that bled into what the rest of the team felt like today? Absolutely. And on the packer side of it, which we'll dig into, it's impossible to win games with non NFL quarterbacks, which is this point Cooper Rush is not, right? It's also impossible to win games with non NFL offensive lights. Those are the two things that we learned today on the Falcons and Packers sides at this. We'll get to the Packers in a second, though. I want to talk about the Falcons offense. Bejon is incredible. Dude, he's incredible. There are two things in watching that game that really stuck with me as I was watching him over the course of those four quarters. One, I watching him is like a nerve-wracking experience for me because when he's doing some of the jump cuts and just the way that he's changing direction, everything else, I just expect his legs to explode. I'm like every other touch that he has. It doesn't seem all right. I don't, I do not have the experience of worrying that a guy is going to get hurt with no prior injury history or actual no rational reason to believe that more often than what I'm watching. Bejon Robinson. Well, and you know what? He reminds me of two. We were actually talking about this with JSN. The way he runs is like he's speed skating sometimes. When he's like, especially on those outside zone runs and he turns to the corner, he gets or it's like he's turning the corner as like an edge rusher. There's nobody else who runs the way that he does. I think he's so fascinating to me because I think he has such rare flexibility and bend in a way that you just don't see from any other runner, but then the vision is like, I think Levian's the time to pace the rhythm. All of it is just, it's like melodic. It's beautiful to watch. I love it so much. I think in my mind, Levian Bell is the best I've ever seen at that. But Bejon Robinson has that and has more to him than I think even Levian Bell did in some other way. He's just again, he's a little bit more flexible in life. He's more it's unbelievable. And like the change of direct, it's almost like if you combined I'm trying to do like a David Montgomery meme from the game and Iowa state, which is all the best for the next long time. But it's actually true with Bejon. The two guys that come to mind when it comes to some of the, the change of direction stuff isn't as violent as this player, but stick with me for a second. It's like if you combine some elements of La Sean McCoy with some elements of Levian Bell, but he also has more like straight line giddy up than either of those guys and he also is a better receiver than those guys. What a special player. And tonight was just such an incredible example of that. The Falcons finished with a 64% rushing success rate in this game. 64% run the left with 22 yards. It's what it felt like watching. I, you know, it feels low to the point where I was keeping track of it in my mind. And when I watched them throw a backwards pass to Brian Robinson that got blown up, I was like, there's one of them. That's really good. That's really good. The other prevailing thought that I had while watching Bejon, there is no greater compliment you can pay an NFL player in 2026. Then them breathing life into Al Michaels. Yeah. He looked like he wanted to watch the game, which you don't get a lot of those anymore. He admittedly excited at some of the stuff that Bejon was doing. There is no greater compliment for a skill position player, a player of any kind in 2026 that having Al showed that sort of vivacity on a Thursday night at this stage of his career. And that's exactly what we were getting from him and Bejon today. They were getting up for all of it. I think even on a couple of the Bejon runs, they were like, look at Charlie Werner throwing this block and stuff like that. I'm like, they don't give a shit about that. And Bejon's not ripping off like the most incredible run that you've ever seen. He did play a great game, by the way, Charlie Werner. He's, he's an important piece for like popping all these zone runs for them. They have like, this is why, and again, they're not going to score 30 whatever points every single week. But this is why when we did like the offensive surrounding casts show, like I kind of liked what they had. I still, again, at the offensive line, I don't know if they'll be this good every week, but like that play calling staff, some of the screens that they were calling were perfect. Like it just, they've got enough here if Penex is going to play well. It was one of those situations. And again, it's just, and let's, I'll be honest with you, I did not watch every down of the Cooper Rush Falcons over the first two weeks. I was not doing a lot of study about the Cooper Rush Falcons. And so from a distance, and we could be honest with people, you can only go back and rewatch so much in any given week. Like you're going to catch up with every team over the course of the year. But the first two weeks, I didn't feel compelled to really go back and deep dive into the Cooper Rush Falcons. When I was watching the Steelers defense, I was watching the Steelers defense. And so there was a moment where two weeks into the season, even with Cooper Rush, there was kind of a voice in the back of my head where I was like, man, is this going to be a disaster? Like that would just be surprising to me. Like I think with this level of skill position talent, with an offensive line that even if they're, it's a flawed group. Like Jake Matthews is really long in the teeth. I think that overall the past blocking, just quality, top to bottom is probably not, it's probably like average at best. Even with that, that clears the bar compared to what these guys were working with in Cleveland. And so, and I actually was really excited to see what Tommy Reese as a play collar, which I think we're, we haven't brought that up enough. Like he's calling plays. Like Tommy Reese has his finger on the button with this offense in a way that he never has when they were in Cleveland because when he's been the play collar in Cleveland, Kevin has given it to him at points during the season for reasons that you can understand. It's like this is a lost year. I'm invested in this guy long term. Let's give him some opportunities. All of these things in combination. I wanted to see it. And I did think that it could be at least interesting. And so to look what they did, it looked like the way they did over the first two weeks. I was like, man, is this going to be like an unwatchable football team for the entire year? I am so glad that that is not the case. Like I'm so glad we actually get to enjoy these players. And the Falcons can be at the very least a compelling offense for us to watch weekend and week out because I thought they would be at the very least coming into the year even if the defense is flawed. Exactly. And like I again, I really do think that they've got something here. There's such an interesting case too because again, offensive line is not spectacular. And I think B. John Robinson, like by virtue of how he plays and reads it, just makes them a lot better than they are. Zero down. Absolutely. It's a great thing to bring up. It's their offense is so cool because it's it's really just two star players having insane gravity and making everything else better. And like that's a little bit of a fragile build. I don't know if I love that, but the fact that it can work like this. When it works like this, it's literally just B. John Robinson popping 20 yards runs. And then the next play they're throwing like go balls to Drake London. And he's just dunking on the corner and throwing it to the ground. Like it's it's unbelievably cool offense to watch when it works. It's probably discounting Sam Laporta at this even early in his career. But I don't think it's all that dissimilar to without the Lions offense when they were really good early early in that 10 year with Ben Johnson, where it was the running game. It was I'm on raw and then they were kind of piecing a lot of the other spots together. And I was because I was going to say, can you remember an offense that's like that, where it's just a real difference making running back, plus one of these receivers, and you can cobble together a very good, very interesting offense out of it. I don't think there are a lot of examples, but I think the early lions are kind of adjacent to that at the very least. I'm struggling to think of ones like, I'm sure there have been stretches with the Niners where it's like just CMC and Kittle, but like that feels like cheating because Shanahan is kind of unique. But even that's not unique, because they have other guys. They always had like, it was either a Yook for a stretch or it was Debo for a stretch. And so I can't, I'm sure there are examples, it's 10.35 PM on Thursday night. I'm sure people will throw them in the comments. If there's anything that does remind you of this, let us know, because I do, when I watch this, it does feel a little bit different. Let's talk about pedics for a second. Again, this is a, the waves crashing over you sort of game, like just the tigers were drowning, and we'll talk about that in a minute, but I really did like some of the stuff I saw from him, and it was fun to see him access the middle of the field a little bit more often on some of those in-breakers, like I, he is, I said this during the game, and I truly firmly believe it. And somebody else said Cam Ward, which is another good candidate for this. Michael Penex is number one on my list of, it would be cool if he was good quarterbacks, because he just throws in it. Shit out of the ball. He has a can. Like I, I would love if Michael Penex was good at football, because I do think that his playstyle and what, and his just bundle of traits would be really fun to watch if it all did come together. And so, I'm not saying that after one game, I am so happy one week into the Michael Penex experience with Tommy Rees and Kevin Sifanski in this offense. My first reaction is, I can't wait to watch it again. I want to see more. Believing that game with this thought to me feels like an absolute win for the first glimpse that we've got of Penex this season. I came away more excited to watch the offense down the stretch than I thought I might be, because again, I don't think this game was spectacular, but the fact that this was his first game in prime time. He's coming off of the injuries. He has not played a game in this offense, specifically. The fact that he came out and I thought played like a pretty solid game, especially after the first quarter. Like the first quarter was tough, but again, like you, he hasn't played football in a while. And in this offense, he hasn't played football up thrown. Here's the stat. I was, because I was the first quarter out, because remember, he was like one of five to start the game. In the final three quarters of this game, Michael Penex was 16 of 18 for 234 yards. He was pretty good. And like honestly, it's pretty damn good. By the way, 11% pressure rate. That's what I was going to say, Lakers, 11%. And that's, I will say to that, actually, there's a little bit of the bonus thing here where like, yes, the past protection was really good. And the pressure rate is low. That's partly because he gets the ball out. Some of that is by design. That's just some of the stuff that they do. Some of that is the screen to throw in those final three quarters. 2.12 per next year. That's crazy. The ball comes out. And even some of, and obviously he did make a couple of the middle field throws. He hit London on a dig at one point, but even some of the vertical throws he's making, he's not holding the ball that long. Like the one that he throws where London is just scot free where he runs that little speed out for a second and shoots up the field. And he's just wide open because CSA is jumping on the out route. Balls out immediately. And even on the one where London dunks and like I down the right side, it's not like he's holding the ball for that long, but he's still. It's one of those things where I think at sometimes I'm like, I he's just chucking it up to the eye, but it's like, hey, you have Drake London just took it up. That's what you should be doing. You should be doing that. And I will say what he deserves credit for to be seeing it that quickly and be making decisions that quickly. This is game one of this offense. And he didn't have 11 on 11 reps all throughout training camp like that. The first quarter was ugly. The final three quarters, that's about as good as you can want this to look if you're a Falcons fan, given what Michael Pentax's off season looked like. I'm excited to see more of it. And I think two more than even just like how some of the results came down at the end. I'm glad he just didn't buckle after the first quarter. Like it's your first game. You're probably hyped up. You've had so many injuries to this point. You're thinking you're this I just now another good shot to prove that I can do something. You throw the pick over the middle. That is like, there's nothing else holding that safety. He's going to drive on that every time. It's a really tough play to have made. And then they were just like, he was getting heated up more in the first quarter over the over the last three quarters. I think Green Bay wasn't able to get home as much. But like, there was a week overload pressure that they sent that got to him. There was another play where Van S just like smoked Jake Matthews around the edge and like, I was like, okay, there are enough things have happened that this could snowball away from you if you weren't up for the task. And he kind of settled in after that. And I thought he played fairly well. I did joke about this during the game. It was inevitable that my high school would eventually produce the greatest football player of all time. Lucas Van S is becoming that he's on track. I didn't quite get there. I fell like one or two steps short, but I think Lucas Van S is he could finally make the prophecy come true if he keeps playing at this level because he is like the one lone bright spot for the Packers in this game and him and Matthew Golden. It's like, man, Matthew Golden and Lucas Van S, good thing we got something out of those two first round picks. You know what that's all about anything else? And you know what's funny, even Golden, I thought was incredibly frustrating in this game. Like he had some great plays, especially towards the end, but like Jordan loved kind of under threw a corner out and he didn't want to go and get it. And then there was one play. I think it was a third down where Golden is streaking down the field and love throws it as if he was going to run the corner. And so I don't know whose fault that is, but I was like, that seems like weird ball location. There was just like a number of weird mishaps with all of the Packers receivers today. It was kind of a game you would expect from Matthew Golden, based on what Matthew Golden was as a prospect where there's some easy plays that just don't get made. And then his two big catches in this game. The first one, the ball tracking on that first play is insane. Like to go back over the outer shoulder and catch that ball. And it's why as a prospect, he reminded me a little bit of Stefan Diggs because I that ball tracking is like, that's what Diggs really did well. And even at Texas, Golden was a fantastic ball tracker with the ball in the air. And then he makes a ridiculous play on the touchdown. That ball was on his back hip coming a hundred miles an hour. And he makes that catch. And then there are a couple other ones that hit him in the hands. One was a fantastic catch on the right sideline. But it very much was what I might expect from the Matthew Golden experience after watching him at Texas. And I liked him as a prospect. I'm glad you said digs, though, because I think my thought from this game actually was because you had some of the ups and downs with him. You remember early on when digs was like when he was in Minnesota, it was not as pass heavy of offense as it was kind of weird. He was splitting reps with Adam Thielin. And it was kind of like he needed to go to an offense that was going to be super pass heavy and just let the volatility be what it was going to be. And he was going to have some insane plays. It almost feels like Matthew Golden would be like better in an offense. I was trying to do that rather than what the Packers are. Obviously in this game, they threw the ball a shit ton, but like, that's what you're getting at from the Packers. That's why we got some of the good plays from him. And you got like that is probably what it would look like in a more like pass heavy offense. I don't know if the Packers necessarily want to be living in that world. But I mean, like you said, this year, and we can start to talk about it, they might have to with the way that this thing is constructed. So what is that world? What do you think this is? I really don't know how you can run a functional offense doing what they're doing. Like I guess they're going to have to lean into just more like screens and jack stuff. And if they really want to like, it's funny. I think for a while now, people have, they look at the Jordan love EPA numbers and the high success rates. And they're like, why would you not let him throw more? And it's like, well, part of the reason they never wanted to do that is they are protecting themselves not necessarily from him and some of his proclivities to be a little bit aggressive. But from the offensive line, having to be stuck in so many pure past scenarios. And I think you see in a game like this where they cannot run the ball at all. I mean, they had what like 20 rushing yards in this game. If that, you are never going to, if that's what you're going to do, teavances are never going to be scared that you're going to run. They're going to tee off all the time. And it's going to be on these backup guards. It's going to be on a left tackle who has not played left tackle in the NFL before. It's going to be on a right tackle who's also a backup. And you're just going to end up in a situation where Jordan love is top of a three step drop. And he's already got somebody in his face all the time. Yeah, it's going to just give me really hard to have a functional offense with this version of the offensive line. I just don't know how you do it. And Barnwall made a really good comparison on the midweek show that really got my gears turning about this packer season. And I, it's going to take, did you, did you watch What Was Bay? And you know, you don't need not yet. We're tracking on it. We're going to get there. Ask me again. I don't want to give it away. But there's, there's like a very classic just slasher movie trope where the killer just refuses to die. And one of the characters just goes so far beyond what you might reasonably expect to make sure that this thing is dead. That's how I feel about the Green Bay Packers. And so when Barnwall this week was like, oh, it's done. There's no way. This is real. The offense is broken. I think my response is always one let's wait a tick to I want to see one more week with them not playing in a rain storm to see how much we should actually panic about this. And the answer is we should panic about this. We absolutely should panic about this. You, and I think there's two things happening here. You did a very good job this summer of pointing out the potential fragility of the offensive line and what that could mean for the Packers. I still gave them benefit out because over time, I think they've earned it. The ecosystem, Stenevich, all of the ways that they've gotten by without a lead offensive line and still produced lead offense. But I think even I would be willing to acknowledge that it was a narrow path to pulling that off. That was when they were healthy. Right. Now they're all being tough. but this was kind of like a concern. - This is so far past it. But Bacabalwe and Banks were hurt in training camp. So it's not as if those guys had clean bills of health. I don't know if you could have seen this sort of outcome, but I think the downside case of this being a group that you really had to cobble together, that wasn't even starting from a place of strength, I don't think was that far of a, it wasn't a remote possibility. That's what I would say. - Yeah, this game I think, even like the Flores game was obviously bad, but like I think Flores is just on such an insane thing that he's doing right now that I was willing to kind of push that away. Like you said, the Jets game, rainstorm, their pass rush looks a lot better right now. It was the first game for some of these guys like whatever. - This game? - Got your mid game. That's the other thing about the Jets game. You got guys going out in and out mid game. That was also part of my rationale this week. I was like, it's a short week. So you don't have a full week of practice, but at least you know who the five guys are going to be. - Exactly. And so the fact that they got picked apart as bad as they did, that I think is really concerning to me. And you would think for most of these guys, these are going to be the ones that they're going to be trying to play, moving forward. Like Bakaboyle is out for the season. And so like this is kind of where they're going to be stuck at. And so I'm just really concerned because like my thing with them was, I think if they went into the season with the five guys, they wanted healthy, like relatively healthy. I'm like, okay, I still think that this is a unit that has degraded over time, but you can probably get away with this. But the fact that banks Bakaboyle were already going into the off season and now Bakaboyle is out for the season. And the guard's situation has gotten even worse because of some of the injuries that they've had to deal with there. Now it's to the point where it's like you're just chipping it away at this like five tiers from what it was, you know, two or three years ago. And it's just really hard to see how it's going to get better. And then the other thing I would say, I had kind of the same concern about the cornerback room about in terms of like just giving up some explosive plays. Today is exactly what I was scared of. It is that Drake London can dunk on you and you have a young corner who's going to bite on stuff and is going to give a big place to him as well. And I think that those guys looking as tough as they did. Brandon Seas also missed a tackle on one of the big B. John runs like it's this the two units that give up the bad place offensive line and cornerback room are as bad or worse than I thought they would be for the packers going into the season. All right, before we move on, let's take a quick break. So I was looking at the numbers just because I was curious. And I think it's a good thing to point out and those are, and like you said, those were the floor creating units. And so those being the floor creating units, that is how you find a really low floor as a team. And I think we are about to get to a place where we find out how low the floor is for the packers. So I wanted to, I was curious about this. I was looking it up as you were talking because I was looking at the box score and I was kind of shocked at one of the numbers that I saw. I want to try to put it in perspective. So there have been, what, so there are 32 teams that played 16 games last year. So do the math on that plus two weeks of the NFL season. In terms of quick pressures allowed, Jordan Love in weeks one and three of this year is first and third in quick pressures allowed in a game over the last two seasons. >> Oh. >> There were 15 of them today. Against Flores, okay, right, that can happen. Week one, he's looking at an 80% rate when he even, he's never done that, like, whatever. That one is whatever. >> 15 quick pressures given up in this game by the Green Bay Packers offensive line. You can't, you can't function as an offense. >> No. >> If that's what's happening. And I think the Falcons pass rush is better than we probably thought going into the year. Doorless is showing some core flashes, texture has been productive. Like that unit is better than what it would have looked like on paper going into the season. This is what are you going to do with this? What am I supposed to do with this? >> It's both things are true. I think that some of those pass rush guys for the Falcons look good like Dexter had a couple of handful of really impressive reps even last week against a much better Panthers offensive line, I think. And so those guys are looking better than we would have thought. But like before two months ago, nobody was thinking as these players. Dexter was just like move the way like nobody cared. Doorless was I think a kind of forgotten piece on this defense for a lot of people. The fact that they are the ones that are giving up or attacking you in such a way that is giving up some of the most quick pressures, like you're just not going to function that way. And like I know I'm going to sit here and sound like I'm being Jordan Lowe's lawyer. And I don't think he played very well in this game. Like they were a handful of opportunities, especially as the game went on, he's crumbling, but like. >> Who stole balls man? >> Who stole balls? >> If we're going to give up 15 quick pressures to the Atlanta Falcons. Who isn't crumbling in that scenario? >> It's not that he played well. It's just that like everyone is going to falter like that. >> It's an untenable situation for any quarterback. I'm exhausted of quarterback discourse this week. I'm not going to do this with Jordan Love based on I'm just not going to do it. Like let's wait a little while. And that's not that we shouldn't even do it, but I'm also just not going to do it even if there would have been a decent reason for it. I think the conversation about the Packers and I got off track before, but I was talking Barnwell said on this minute we show this week, is this potentially the Packers 2022 ramp season? And here's why I think that is going to be an important distinction. If the answer is yes, then part of making that calculation is we think this is a blip and otherwise really strong track record or an offensive coach and what he has been able to do year after year after year. When the Packers have essentially been at top 10 offense every single year. The same was true with the Rams. They had that one awful, awful season after the Super Bowl. Stafford missed half the year, but like you said, we just talked about before we started recording. He was three and six before he even started, before he missed the offensive line, the bottom fell out. If the answer is yes, then you say, okay, whatever happens this season happens. It hurts and stings even more because we don't have a first round pick, but it's something that we can live with. If the answer is no, and you think that this is not a blip and you think this is the continuation and just kind of natural endpoint for something that has been happening, then we're having a different conversation. And my instinct is to say it's more the former than the latter, but depending on how bad and ugly this thing gets, I mean, you listen to the crowd tonight, they are, it is going to get ugly there if this continues. I don't know how you handle that as an organization. I think to me, the distinction, not even just about like how the individual seasons went with, you know, the 22 Rams or whatever, that Sean McVeigh by that point had taken the Rams to two Super Bowls in one, one, they just wanted, they just wanted a year before. You've got a little bit of equity to have a five win season. The Packers have been largely successful and like consistent with Matt Laffler, like they have not had losing seasons. They've gone to the playoffs. I think almost every single season, obviously had the MVP stretch with Aaron Rogers, like they've been very good. They've not been to and won Super Bowls and reached those highs where you're willing to be like, ah, we can eat a year and hope the next year is going to be better. And I think that to me is where the calculus really changes with this because honestly, I probably agree that I would lean more towards that this is a blip in Matt Laffler's tenure and that he can and will be better than this. It's just that there is something about having seen what the highs were for Sean McVeigh that it was easier to be like at the blip, it'll be fine. With Matt Laffler, even if I think he can and will be good, it's like, well, what am I rebuying into going to the divisional round again? Like I just don't know if that's his appealing. I agree with that. And I also think, and you look at the roster, the roster is the part of it that's in me. It does feel like we're, we've been moving in a negative direction for a little while. The state of the offensive line coming into the season again was already feeling pretty fragile. We talked about it so much this offseason where there was so many guys and for some of them it's worked, right? Like Golden looks good. Lucas Van Ness looks good for some of it it worked. But how many this has to happen things were the case for the Packers this offseason where we just never talked about them like that. They had so many contingencies built into the roster. They had depth. They had luxuries. They just didn't have any of that. And they don't have any of that and you're seeing what those results look like. I don't know where I land with it. I'm always a little bit more cautious with stuff like this. I'm prone to giving guys the benefit of the doubt whether Matt LaFour deserves it. I think this is probably the first time where I'm really willing to hear arguments that he doesn't. But I think three weeks into the year, it's probably too early to make any sort of determination like that. But it's going to get uglier before it gets better if the offensive line doesn't get better. The one complicating factor in this that I think it's at least interesting to think about. And I don't know how their inner workings totally work and who's going to make these decisions and who would be at the forefront of this or at the center of this. A lot of times coaches get fired because owners get embarrassed. There is no owner. There is no person who really has to wear this if it gets really ugly for the Packers. And whether that plays into the decision, I don't know. But I do think it's a circumstance. It's a factor that's probably at least worth considering. When you compare this to the dynamics and play for a lot of other NFL teams. And I think they did just extend him, which is like, another weird, the next year is the first year of his extension. It's just a weird situation they found themselves in, where this is the one year that it's like fallen out for Matt LaFour. For that reason and because again, it's a unique circumstance with the way the organization works, I would call them for the most part pretty conservative. I mean, think about, we've had two coaches of that team since I was like in high school. Again, it just doesn't. And they've had a lot of success and that's the reason for it. but I just don't expect them to make our irrational kind of flippant decision about this. But if it keeps going at this rate, maybe it becomes a little bit less irrational, maybe it becomes a little bit less frivolous. - Yeah, it depends, it's like seven and 10, probably gonna move on, or probably just like be fine with it, let him go next year. If it's like a four and 13 situation, that I think is where it starts to get harder to live with. And I don't know if it'll be that bad, but like the offensive line's gonna be that every week, maybe. And then you're handing that pick away. - Oh my God, that's the other part. - And I believe it's to the jets. - If they're bad, it's to the jets, yes. I think if they're good, it goes to the Cowboys. - The jets get, I think, whatever is the better pick between the Cowboys and the Packers. - Yes, yeah, however that works, yeah. And so, man, that's the toughest part of seasons like this, when it all just kind of falls apart, is that not having that pick at the end of it, if the Rams didn't have that, did the Rams have their first show on pick in 2022? - Oh shit, probably not. What if they ever had one? - That might have been the year where they might have had it. I mean, I want to figure that out really quick 'cause that'd be one more point of this comparison. - It's hard to keep track of when they had them and when they had them. - Well, they adjusted Jared verse in 2023. - 2023, 2021. - Yeah, wait, maybe that'll actually to kind of make sense in my right now. - No, so this was, I was wondering because when the golf trade happened, I wasn't sure if the 2023 first round pick was part of it. In 2023, yes, the 2023 first round pick. So yeah, the Rams gave that to the Lions and then the Lions traded that to the Cardinals. That was the Paris Johnson pick and then the Lions traded down and drafted Jumirgips. So yeah, if you want to take it one step further, the 2023, 2022 Rams also did not have their first round pick as part of this process, but like you said, it stings a little bit less when you have the Super Bowl. When you got the trophy, it stings a little bit less. There's nothing to ease the pain of what this could potentially turn into if you were the Packers. - It's been a wild idol tone. - A tough place to be. A tough, tough place to be. Now they know how the other half lives as this thing goes south. All right, that is all we've got for today. If you're listening to this on Friday, our week three preview should be available in your Fees and on YouTube, really fun show. Dug into a bunch of the matchups from week three, really enjoyed all those conversations. If you were watching this on YouTube, please encourage you guys to like and subscribe to the channel. Ton of YouTube specific stuff that we're putting on this year. Dave is now has a YouTube franchise that we're doing called This Rocked. He broke down, has a Kaya Mass this week. Derek is diving deep on Brian Flores, on how it happened, and then I have a video on Dalton Concade and the Bill's offense coming a little bit later. 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