‘F1’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

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State Farm is there. All right, F1. I have it as the number one. I can't believe this actually worked out movie of the 2020 Sierra. It felt like a bust for two years. Like the meter was running on this one for a while. There's some controversial reporting and back and forth between the production and our our own our buddy Matt Bellany about how much this movie cost. It was like this is just is this just going to be on my iPhone? Like what's going on? And it was heavily involved. It's like what do they know about movies? Yeah. Brad Pitt. Maybe at the tail end of seeming realistic as an F1 driver. For months where it's like F1 is still shooting. They are shooting like in this country in that country at this race. And the strikes and COVID and everything that slowed it down. But they're in like Abu Dhabi. Then they're in like all over the place where they were at races. Yeah. Movie making is a complicated thing, but the story of making the movie should never be complicated. Like the more complicated the story of making the film is the more people feel like it's just going to be a disaster. And this was a complicated from the technology that they needed from the strikes. All of the stuff that was going on. It was a very very complicated production. I'm glad fans here because I wanted to sort of lead the conversation with a declaration, which is that I feel the way the way I'm supposed to feel about Avatar. I feel that way about F1. That's what I'm talking about. Like this is fucking incredible. How do they do this? This is pushing movie making forward. I don't really care what the story is. This is mind blowing. Well, a good movie to end 2025 on two because I do think this was the year we got sucked back in the movie theaters, sucked back centers. F1 one battle. Minecraft. Sure. Conjuring last rights. It's just theaters. There were a bunch of movies this year where you're like I got I don't want to wait until that's on my TV. I want to go see this. And F1 was a great example. You had to see it on IMAX. It was fucking awesome. I went with my whole family. We did like a 930 showing at the Grove. Oh, and nobody was on their phone the whole time. Grove home. Everyone was exhilarated. We're like that's that's what we want from a movie right there. And it's good at home to watch in a second time. Still good on the TVs. Not as good as in the movie theater, but a classic sports movie has a lot of tropes. But just a thrill ride. It's a strangely important movie. Like in just in terms of this type of movie making a big star driven 80 style movie. That's about a cultural phenomenon. Yeah. All catches the cultural phenomenon in time. Right. So like we used to have all of these like you had gleaming a cube. I mean, these are some of these are big block buses. But we used to do these movies gleaming a cube skateboarding over the top arm wrestling, all of this stuff. You put a star or emergent star in a movie about a thing. And it's a big deal. Then they kind of stop making those movies. Yeah. Like the movies were expected to be something that's more than just like a vast part with hook. And no holds bar was we could do this. There's so many different films we could talk about even like Days of Thunder, NASCAR, all of that. And then they stopped doing them because we could no longer make the movie that's just kind of vapid. It seemed like an affront against the filmmaking gods to make a movie that was just kind of vapid but fun. Yeah. And this movie is that there's not much depth to the film. But the film in the total sum of its parts really, really works and really mean something. I mean, I think that in Hollywood, it's all about IP. But Formula One racing and car racing in general is good. I mean, in general. And it's like I'll go see almost any movie where cars race. Like it's just it's it's a cinematic thing. Yeah. I mean, like I was I was went through like a bunch of car racing movies last night. And I was like, yeah, these are all solid. But I was like, I was like, I got no notes, man. The bass and the theories cars doing cool shit. I was watching Grand Prix with James Garner last night. I was like, this rules. Like I'm like, I mean, back to the 60s of you what? Well, the history, Lamon, Bobby Deerfield, Days of Thunder, driven was the only one that didn't work. And that had Stallone and Bert Reynolds too late. And Kid Pardew was terrible on it. Tal Degenite's Senate documentary rush a movie that I love. That's on the rewatch was less fort and Ferrari. F1 all the fast movies. I was going to do this later. I'll do it now. I wish I liked real racing as much as I like racing movies. I know exactly what you mean. Like F1 does nothing for me. It seems fine. You go. You said they wrote they go by crazy speeds. I've never cared about Indy 500. I've never cared about NASCAR. I've never cared about anything. But I love racing movies because they're basically awesomely edited races combined with like the behind the scene stuff. And I think that's just where I've learned. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. It's just what I want. What are some other things that you would only prefer to see rendered as movies? Like, you know, you know, I mean, like, I don't want to go deep underwater in the ocean. I would say cooking movies are not like that. I was just like cooking. Like, I don't watch a cooking show. Yeah. But whenever there's a part in that movie, chef, where uh, Favreau is making. Is it a grilled cheese sandwich or something? He makes a grilled cheese sandwich for his son, but then he makes a penny, but he makes something for Scarlett Johansson. Yeah. And he makes her a pasta, makes her a pasta and just him whipping up the pasta and her watching him whip up the pasta. You like God damn, I would like to be able to do that. That is incredible. You wouldn't watch that on Instagram for 30 minutes. I'm not going to watch it on Instagram. But it looks cool to watch somebody with a mastery of the kitchen like that. But like in actuality, I'm not trying to see. This is what's great about the movies though. You watch at an F1 race and people love F1 and I like F1. I think I had like most people like my my short lived affair with drive to survive at six to the morning. I never did that because I I'm already up early enough watching soccer. I can't have to global sports that make me wake up at weird times, but I will say that like take take color of money, right? Like if I was like, let's watch billiards, you'd be like, I'm good. You know, like there's got to be fans like is that tall Asian lady playing? I use them out Black Widow. Yeah. Yes. The Black Widow put in Black Widow. Chinette. Yeah. Genette. Genet Lee playing. She got sick after a while. But if you watch color of money, you're like billiards is the most exciting cinematic thing anywhere. I'm fine with Marty. I have to I do enjoy watching both of those sports. Yeah. Earl Strickland, Efron Reyes, when I was into pool. How about what about darts? Darts. I've never I like but there are sports I like to watch like, you know, gospel axes and then lumberjacks and all that. But ping pong is the only thing that I don't know that I like watching it until it's actually on. So I will never go watch ping pong. You never seek it. But when I see ping pong or table tennis didn't plan it, it is one of the most amazing things I feel like a human being can do to play the sport. Well, I wrote down if I'm paying 30 bucks for a movie. I want I want the ability to feel want to feel thanks. This movie made you feel it's a human response movie. Yeah. That first crash which when we do rewatchable scenes, first time you see it in the theater. The monster crash went when JP crash. It's like, you just can't believe it. And then it's so cool and the way they do it and the way it's shot. I mean, I love that in 2025, we're still getting better at stuff. And I think in this case, we're just getting better. This movie in 1990 was Days of Thunder. Right. Which is a very cool movie that I like a lot that we've done on the rewatchables. But the it's night and day when you see some of the shit they did with the cameras. Yeah. I mean, in some ways, like in terms of filming movement, I would argue Kaczynski is the first person to push it forward since Tony Scott, like in terms of filming like a piece of machinery goings, like Top Gun Maverick this, and it's like he really is an inheritor of some of like his Tony Scott's like stylistic revelations. - The last scene when he's flying basically, when Sonny's about throwing the race, the first time sitting down in the theater, and he kinda knew it was probably gonna happen 'cause he set it up in the monologue, but with them when they do it, and there's no soundtrack, and it's just the sound and it's just pit's face, and it's just also incredibly well done. A really easy scene to make corny. - Yeah. - If the background of that happening hasn't been established, if you're not in with Sonny's character all the way. - Yeah. - And also if the movie is any less technically proficient. - You see, did the monologue. - Right, I'm really good with that. I've heard face couple of times. - The coolest thing about that is also - There's always everything on the side of his left mouth. - The cut to Bardem's face. - Right. - So it's like, oh really? - Bardem had some good celebration acting in this. - I always thought the chef and vision quest was my number one. There's been a lot of good crowd celebration guys over the years, but I thought Bardem was really, really good. - I know what my favorite crowd guy is of all time. - What a man of body bag, Johnny. - Yeah. - That dude was on Johnny Dick. - Yeah. - Like he was into it, man. Like that's my favorite crowd guy. - Don't forget that God's out from Rocky. - Go get him, Ron. - He had some good ones. That'd be good montage. Like somebody just doing the 25 best sports movie celebrated crowd guys. Sports movie tropes. We did, you and I talked about this on my podcast. I did not listen to it. So if we go back on some of the stuff we talked about, I apologize, but I did grab this from the notes for that. Sports movie tropes here. The best that never was. - Sure. - That was the, I think the most underrated 30 for 30 we ever did when I was there. Where was the Marcus Dupree one? - Excruciating. - That is also where I met you. Was it the screening party for? - Right, Marcus Dupree. - And I remember John Hock, the director of it. He found all this high school footage of Marcus Dupree that we weren't positive existed. Or I can't remember how I found it. And then to see that guy. And you do, this guy was the best that that never was. And then you actually could see the footage of him. But anyway, this is a sports movie trope that it's kind of undefeated. They've used it for action movies in some ways too. Like Roadhouse, Best Cooler. You don't understand how good this guy was. Like we've seen this over the years, but it works best sports movies. So that's one. Old guy versus new guy. Never, never does it work. White and black not getting along and then teeming up. Seen it. Come on, Van. - Like white man can't jump. - White man can't jump. That's the only thing they didn't do in this movie. He never looked at him and goes, "You know what, you're a type. "Just can never get to the-- - Oh, but dude, he did. - He did kind of get-- - He did. - He did. He did. - He did the participation trophy thing. - Yeah. - But then you have Danzen come back and what do you mean, my type? And white man can't jump. They just straight up say it. Like black guys, whether look good and lose, white guys, whether look bad and win. And that's actually funny. But this movie, they're like, let's stay away from it. Time's tough. The down try to team that's about to go under and desperately needs a spark that it was worth. The monologue about chasing the something, the one great thing. - No, it's a fun time. My dad, when my dad died, he told me, bo, bo, bo. Like you need that one minute something. The big accident monkey wrench. You see that in a million times. And then the climactic race fight game. - Can I throw a one newer one in there? - Give me. - This movie gets compared to Top Gun Maverick. It's a lot same director and kind of like a broadly, like some of the same story. - I was in pick of the switch parts. - It's probably been fine. - It's kind of money ball on steroids though. Because it's about a scrappy group of underdogs figuring out how to exploit the margins and the-- - Oh, that a jigsaw puzzle movie. How do we put together the puzzle? - But it's also like plan C is the whole like, it's basically Billy Bean. You know, it's like, well, we can't beat them just straight up. So we have to do all this other stuff to beat them into action. - It has that great speech about if I can get one tenth of a second better. - And you can't watch it then. - You can't. - That's five seconds. - Again, that is a second. Well, save like 70 seconds. - It's also one that you missed. They don't do it in this movie, but it still happens in this movie. The, this movie doesn't have the scene where Javier Bardem's character is sitting around with the rest of the people and they're like, we really got a win and he goes, I know one guy. - I know, yeah, yeah. I know one guy. I don't know if he'll do it. It's like, that's, it's assumed that that happened. You know, but then you got to go get this guy out of retirement. - Well, they do have the whole, how many guys did you call before you got to me? - Right. - Seven, that's a good action one too. A sports movie trip, they do not have in this. And they actually have the reverse of it and so much better is that the female, the lead female in this is not like that you can't do it, you're gonna die. It turns out she has the coolest job. She's not doing the hatred. She has a cool job. And she's a great character. And I think that's one of the reasons this movie's so rewatched by I love the carry condensines. I believe the character. I want her to get better. I believe that she's in on Brad Pitt. I want them to end up together at the end. It's just another hard one to pull off. She or loves her. She's a little spark plug Irish lady. - You like that type of shit. - But it's CRS will have. - CRS are that big plank in the bar. And she's like, yes. - If she was smoking in this movie, I'd probably leave one for her. She's got a big lung Virginia slim. - Yeah. - Well, they make the character aspirational in other ways, because in some ways, she gives up the ass super quick. Just straight back. - I don't know about that. - Well, that was a whole season. - There's like three, four months. - Seven races. - I mean, normally in the, I'm saying she's sweet on Brad, though. - Normally in a movie like that, the virtual of the characters in that she doesn't give up the ass. But then she gives up the ass. And then she straight up loving them. She's on the whole thing. She just kissed his shoulders. - Yeah, I like them. - She really liked them. - I think they kind of zoom passed the ending that I think she would have been a little more upset. He was just like, I wanna see later. - I have some stuff about that. - Do you like that? - I'm not wearing love, but I'm going to Baja. - I was like, come back when you, ring me when you get back tired. No, what? You just out. - One thing I love about this, the casting. And she's really cute, obviously. But I think in the 90s, they just sort of picked whoever the best looking actresses and made believe she was this. I really believe that she was trying to put together the perfect car. I also believe that the two would end up together. I don't know, the great job. Brad Pitt. So I don't know where this is going to rank on the best sports movies the 21st century so far. I may or may not have a list at some point. Not today. - Oh, okay. - Appreciate it. But Brad Pitt was in two of those movies regardless of where your list is. Moneyball and F1. Double duty for this. I did when you and I did our, or maybe I did this with Wes, I can't remember. I did it on my pod with somebody. The four decades of Brad Pitt as a leading man and all the arcs where the six stages basically up and coming, handsome guy, leading man on training wheels, A-lister, Brangelina Hayday when he goes to another level of fame, Brangelina Swoon. And then in 2019 with Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, we entered the Brad Pitt as the icon. - Yes. - When we do Once Upon a Time in Hollywood at Astra F1, he got $30 million for this movie and I think he's a big reason why people took it seriously. This is now a 35 year career CR. And yet, I still feel like people would have crews above him. I even think people would have maybe Damon above him. - Are you nuts? - I think Leo would be some of him. - Matt Damon? - Yeah, I think over Brad Pitt, the biggest actor. - Why are you talking about it as like a box office draw? - Do you think he gets enough credit? I guess this is my question. - I think the thing would be-- - Would people throw him out second after crews? - No, I think Leo would go second. - I think Brad Pitt works more than those guys. It seems like he's had more misses. - Yeah, and he takes more swings and he produces more stuff. And I think he also has kind of settled into now, finally like Paul Newman, Call of Money era. Like maybe a little younger than Paul Newman was at that point, but he's starting to embrace the idea of being like the, like this is the twilight part of my career and the roles are really great, because of that. - What do you think, Van? - I think that Brad Pitt carved out a Brad Pitt thing that makes him incomparable to a lot of his contemporaries. He, his career is really interesting. Like Tom Cruise embodied not just the movie star, but the hyper celebrity. Like the whole thing, the entire deal. Brad Pitt became a leading man that was in some big movies, that was in some smaller movies. He became the cool like A-plus actor that just kind of did whatever he wanted to do. He didn't get with Scorsese and do the next 10 Scorsese movies. He didn't do, he just decided that he lived his life in a laissez-faire kind of way. And he just did the thing that he thought was the coolest at the time that it was in front of him. And that's really, it doesn't seem like he planned his career out. - Yeah, the big difference between him and Cruise too is that he never picked a character that he played for like more than a couple of movies. - Right, so in that-- - Brad, he never did his version of "Born" or more, that's not it. - So in the way that Leo said, you know what, I'm gonna get to a certain point and I'm gonna work with these directors who are just unassailable. in the quality of the film. And the way that Tom went, I'm gonna give you big budget, genre, five, four, quadrant type of movies. It just seemed like Brad got a script and went, okay cool. And he was so Brad Pitt that he could make that work over the course of the whole career. - Kill him softly bang, let's make it, yeah. - Let's do it. Like whatever is, let's do it. - So I was gonna do this for how to take later. I'll just do it now. I think that him just crossing past with Angelina at the time he did was almost like an athlete like Terry and A.C. on missing two seasons. I think that sent his career in a different direction. That brand Angelina thing became so big. And so it kind of like swallowed up both of them. I think both of their careers, like the kind of movies that they made. - I kinda can't remember. - They did stuff together, like he has this whole, basically 15 years after Mr. and Mrs. Smith, where I'm not even really sure what happened. And I think part of it was all of a sudden he was with Angelina Jolie, they have five kids all the sudden. They're making movies together that weren't really any good. And I do wonder what happened. - Got really into politics. - Yeah, I do wonder what any got into producing and did some good stuff. But I feel like there was like three or four more money ball type movies for him and there. And he just didn't make them. Where was like Cruz was working all the time. - Yeah, it's hard to tell whether or not it's the movie industry, the changes or the actor, the changes. And maybe Brad Pitt was like the kinds of movies and I could lead like, at a certain point he stops being interested in doing movies like Troy. You know what I mean? Whether it's 'cause he got older or because he didn't wanna like be a beefcake, a list, like movie star in that way. He wanted to be more of a character actor and appear in different kinds of stuff. - So he made Benjamin Button and Gloria's bastards and money ball, basically middle of 2000s through 11. But then his 2012 to 18, killing them soft meat, softly allied fury by the sea, World War Z, and produced 12 years of slavery picture. - Guy's saying retrospect. - Couple of movies are quite good though. - Yeah. - I mean, if you look at it, like just for the movies that he's in, World War Z ended up being a movie that was kind of a trouble production. - And it was a huge hit. - But that's a big huge movie. It's like a gigantic movie. - How many times have you watched it? - Probably like three, two or three. - It's a zombies are really aggressive in it. It's not the easiest watch. - I was in a fan. - The outbreak starts in Philly. - Yeah. - Oh, he got it back. - But look, the big short, he's in that he's an interested, that's towards the end of the time that you're talking about though. But he's in interesting films here in Gloria's bastards, Benjamin Button, these are interesting movies. He's having an interesting career. Bradth reading, that's an interesting, like choice for Brad Pitt at that time in his career. - He has that same Redford quality of like, you could just kind of throw him in anything and it's probably gonna work. It's fun to hang out with him. Paul N. Moodle was like that. It's that kind of actor we just don't have anymore. And this is, he's playing a guy in his early 50s, but he's really in his early 60s. - Yeah. - He's doing, got those bars shoulders dead. - Into this. - You know, it's interesting to me always to see what performers like this do with that little will during this period. So like the part that's right over, you guys know I'm talking about, you're in the league, you're averaging. - You'd already made like a birch awesomeness. - Yeah, and then like when you get down to 26, 25, 24, it's that, how they navigate that point until they become elder statesmen. Oh my God, look, they're taking a chance. How they navigate that is always interesting. - Crews just went in to franchises. - Yes. - But he would really struggle for a while too. - Yeah. - I think Damon's had the most interesting approach to it, where he seems to make a combination of like, big choices, smart, big things, and then like kind of weird, cool swings, and just doesn't seem to care what hits him, what doesn't. - Can we go back to this real quick? You think that Matt Damon is fucking with Brad Pitt in any way, shape or form? - I think it's an interesting one because if you go, if you go to the seven, I think the seven movies that Brad Pitt made over the last four decades that probably have the longest tail, seven fight club, Oceans 11, Bastards, Moneyball, once upon a time enough one, I think would be this seven. - I'll hear that. - So the question for me is, could Matt Damon top that with his best seven? - I think if you're counting Odyssey next year, - Which we can't because we haven't seen it. - Okay. - Come to the department. - That's just like for the sake of the Martian born. Like his seven versus Pitt seven is pretty good battle, and they probably made the same amount of money as they might have moved. - They have similar things where they'll just be like, I'm getting behind Kenneth Flanagan or for Brad Pitt, he gets behind Andrew Dominic or what. - Yeah, I think it's close. - They picked their directors and they, what are you laughing at? - It's absurd. You think no way. - Matt Damon is just not on Brad Pitt level. - No, I think Matt Damon is-- - You think I'm being a Boston Homer? - Of course, but I think Matt Damon's fired at Matt Damon. - I think Matt Damon is fantastic. Oscar winner. - It's an Oscar winner. Matt Damon is fantastic. If you were to use those movies as a metric, you could probably pull out, I bet there's probably more people that if we talk about guys that have been around this long, you could probably, if you just pull seven movies, I bet you could also do that for Ben Affleck. I bet you could in terms of Brad Pitt. If you just pull seven movies, but if you talk about the space that they take up in culture, how they're regarded just overall, how audiences respond to them, I think that Brad Pitt is in a different level than Matt Damon is. I forgot about Mr. Ripley. - Oh, yeah. - Who do you think is a better actor? - I think Matt Damon has a little bit more range. - Me too. - I think, but it feels more like a movie stuff. - It's tough. I also think-- - It's interesting in Ocean's 11, Pitt has kind of the more outsized role than Matt Damon does. - They have very similar things going on. We're like, every once in a while, they'll be like the supporting character in something. Like, it's a really tough conversation. - Hey, don't want to be argumentive. I just do not disagree. I just-- - I like what we argue. - I don't like what we argue. - I just, I think that if you look-- - You hate Boston, it's fun. - At the full, I can't wait for you. Well, never mind. The full range of the roles, like from 12 monkeys, all the way to cool leading men in F1, I don't know how we could say definitively-- - Yeah, but we could do that with Damon. We could do like-- - I need to get argued through boring. - Courgent of fire. - How about school ties? - Yeah. - As we're talking about, okay. - That's my 1940s football player. - Who's better? - Tough, tough, tough, tough, tough, tough role in getting character for a guy from Boston. (laughing) - He didn't, he had no one to study. - That's fire. - Well, he had no one to run into Matt Damon now. He's a fantastic performer. - I'm just saying, I think Brad's probably, he's certainly a bigger movie star in my opinion, but I also think that-- - Well, I think the Angelina thing made him a bigger movie star though. - He wasn't until that happened. - That vaulted him into A. Pustum, whereas Matt on the other hand got married, you'd never hear anything about him. - Yeah. - Is he married for like 20 years? He's like intentionally a little profile. - Okay, so Brad was like, here I am. - I am dating the hottest actress we have. - Off the back of dating Jennifer Aniston. - Yeah, I went for it. - All right, and Greeneth Poucher. - And whoever, the only problem with this is also when we were talking about Brad, his movies we left out, Mr. and Mrs. Smith. But the only problem with this is that they met on a film where they were together in that film, and it was Brad Pitt as the star of this big, gigantic, - That would've been a good moment. - How would Vanley think it out of this one? - Oh, you're dating Angelina. - You're doing a movie with Angelina Jolie in 2004. - That's actually-- - Where were you? I called you in your trailer. Oh, I went to get an espresso. I didn't hear the phone. - Poor thing. I still feel bad for Jennifer Aniston after that. It's a tough one. It's a tough one. - Sonny Hayes. - Sonny Hayes. - Great name. I made it and I wanted to move to Damson. The athletes that captured the decade, the best if we're gonna make a list, going back to the '70s. - Athletes in-- - Movie athlete. - Okay. - Nick Nolte in North-Alice, '40, '70s. - Grizzled football. - China tell us where football's going. 1980s, I have a drag or a Rocky IV. - Hold more. (laughing) - We'll do anything for an edge. (laughing) - But where's the orange at me? 1990s, it's either Rod Tidwell or Willie Beaman. I'm not sure who. Maybe Willie Beaman, but you could also talk me in a Rod Tidwell. - Okay. - Realistic, the most realistic version of an athlete I've seen in a movie says something about the '90s in general when you look back. It's like, that's a very '90s character. But also with Tidwell, a very three-dimensional character. - Yeah. - Like a family man and all that stuff. - My favorite sports movie character. - Yeah. - 2000s, Tim Riggins, any given Sunday. - Friday nights. - Yeah. - I'm sorry, Friday nights. - I wrote that on any given Sunday. - Tim Riggins from the TV show. - Yeah, well, in the movie. - Yeah, in the movie, okay. - Which one was Tim Riggins in the movie? - Garrett Heidelin. - Garrett Heidelin. - Yeah. - His dad. - Yeah. - Tim McGraw. - Tim McGraw putting the thing in, but then he comes up and puts the ring on his finger. - For that movie, I know you guys are obsessed with the television show. - No, the movie's great. - Yeah, that's the movie. - All that movie is. - It's the best half time speech ever given. - Like that, that's a perfect-- - What? - Tachino is pregame. - Yeah, I mean, also, I would put Billy Bob saying forever's about to happen, like, up against it. - Man, he looks at those boys and without even raising his voice goes, you know, my heart. I got goosebumps like my hardest. I've done everything that I can, it's Pacino and Billy Bob in the finals. Yeah, when is the miracle? I don't know in the last time you watched any given Sunday. I watch it. It's, it's kind of in the Pluto rotation right now. She's saying, are you, are you popping on Pluto? Do you have eyes for other free streaming services? I'd spend on Pluto, uh, and, uh, the halftime, the pregame's great. And then cutting the fox can't, and he starts moving toward Pacino. Great stuff. Uh, I have Riggins for here because movie and TV show. That was when we started to realize, oh, IP could be all over the place. 2010s, uh, Adonis Creed. 2020's Josh Pierce and F1. I love how they do the social. I think his whole backstory with his, his mom and his handler and how he's trying to basically be a star when he hasn't done anything yet. How he approaches his public persona. It's the best I've seen in a movie in this decade, I think, for where we are in the 2020s with social media. We'll just have to wait for the Pukin Akua story. Beans try to close the deal out of right now. But this Josh Pierce character, a paper might have not worked. And it worked really well. So why did it work? Super charming. Uh, obviously he's from, uh, like, broke big with Snowfall, but, um, I don't know. He has a limited amount of screen time in this movie compared to Pitt. Like, there's clearly like other stuff. I think that they shot like a whole love interest with him that they like. Yeah, they cut it out completely. I didn't know that. And the fact that you can still piece together who he is and he, he has to say things like I had to climb a mountain to get here and really sell it. You know, like, that's his basically his exposition. And it really works. He's a really, really dynamic performer. Character works for the same reason that the movie works. Like, uh, the movie assumes that you know who he is. Which is why they could cut a lot of stuff up. The movie assumes that you realize that it's tough for a kid coming from where he's from to achieve an F1. The movie even assumes that you understand his talent. Because we never really see it. They basically just tell us over and over and over again that he could be a great driver. Yeah. But we don't really get anything on screen to demonstrate that to us. But that character, that archetype of it's all right there in front of you. But you, you're distracted by bullshit. Yeah. The movie assumes you know that character. It's kind of interesting. One of my favorite parts about this movie is that they're, it's not like JP is Luke Skywalker. And they're like, we just need the right mentor to get this kid. It's like, he's pretty good. You know, F1 is really like a lot about the car, right? As it's my understanding is that the cars are kind of like, and it, and it seems like the teamwork is important. And the teamwork is important. Being the leader. But it's like, they only really bonds. Once then they backslide and then they bond one last time. And JP sacrifices for them. But they do a great job with the, uh, the morning jog. Yeah, continue to come back to that. And there's more and more people. And then eventually JP's leading the jog. But see, there I'm banging over that with it. That to me is why I say this is 80s and 90s movie making. Because this is so good at this stuff. It's because you usually just have that scene. You used to have that scene of somebody getting up in the morning stretching and they're doing about themselves. And then all of a sudden somebody else is there. And then also, and you see it rather than somebody having to give a long speech about the importance of togetherness. Yeah. And then like by the end of it, you get that there's something that happened between all of these people that brought them together. Yeah, it does be belabored. Yeah, this movie is long, but I don't feel like it's long when I'm watching. Even like some of this dog pitches like in his hotel room or whatever, flicking the cards kind of needs it. Like that, like it has like a nice three kind of pace to it. Talk about that later flicking the cards. Lot of things I got to talk about. Five decades of brokheimer. I was glad you're bringing this up. How many rewatch most do you think we've done of Jerry Brokheimer? Ten. What do you think, Van? We've done 417 movies. This will be 418. A brokheimer? Yeah. No, no. We've done 4-- No, no, no, no. Overall, so I'm saying what, 15, 20? 16th. Wow. So we've done jiggle-o, thief. American jiggle-o, thief. Cop one and two. Top gun. Days of Thunder. Crimson tide. Dangerous minds. Bad boys. Connor. Face off. Armageddon. Enemy of the state. Remember the Titans and Top Gun Maverick and F1. Fucking bangers. I feel like we should have a picture of him in the studio here. This is 89. It's five decades to him. Yeah. And his 2010s weren't great. He's basically doing the pirate sequels, the lone ranger. And then kind of gets his mojo back at the stage. The lone ranger, yeah. So many people have gotten distracted, decided to become tech moguls. Yeah. Start the political action committees. Do whatever they're doing when they'll be producers. This guy's just like, I do one thing and I do it better than a person in the world. It is. This movie is really a monument to producing. From when you think about the amount of money that must have changed hands to make this movie, the amount of negotiating that must have had to happen with all the different countries they're shooting in, with the strikes happening, with COVID restrictions. And Jerry Brookrimers got like, fucking 15 new cameras inside of F1 cars. He's getting Apple to make him like these inch size cameras. I mean, it's just, that's what movie producers are supposed to do. Yeah, I look at some fucking lessons, man. Yeah, true. I look at him and I bet he calls movies pictures. And that's the kind of producers I like. I like when they say picture. We're working on a big picture here. Right. He's one of the last one of the guys that says, hey, I'm getting Brad Pitt and Kaczynski together. We're doing this race in picture. Like the guys that put shit together, get shit done. It's about putting guys together and letting them get their talents off on the screen. And you'll do anything for the movie. Because of like the proponderate, like the amount of visual effects and like the amount of stuff you can do inside of a computer now. And also just because of the last couple of years in the industry when you watch movies now, you're kind of like, oh, I can see they tried to save money here, like for whatever reason, like in any movie. You didn't get this feeling once during F1. When you watch F1, you're like, how much of this fucking movie cost? But she's surprised. But to be honest with you though, if people out there are wondering what a good producer does. Yeah. It's exactly what he's talking about. A movie that's well-produced, you cannot see the seams. That is what a well-produced movie is. A well-directed movie maintains the dramatic tension and the narrative from the beginning all the way to the end with every scene kind of adding to that. A well-produced film, you can't see the seams. It's almost like he was like, let's spend more money. And that's kind of cool. Like to why? Because you're like, you're getting it back in your movie ticket. You're getting it. It's like, yo, Kazinsky, you're gonna have to shoot that final scene in a Saudi Arabia, it looks like. And we got to put the sheaks in as we're hitting the trophy. But we get an extra $50 million to spend. I'd do it. Kazinsky's like, great. It's what a picture. It's for the picture. Great job by him. There's a couple we haven't done from him. We never did Flash Dance. We didn't do Black Hawk Down. Quentin Tarantino's favorite movie in the 21st century. Yeah. We didn't do Gone in 60 seconds. Kind of not. And we didn't do bad boys too. Which we've discussed for like three years. Are you saving it? Yeah. I don't, we just haven't done it yet. Well, you guys do Black Hawk Down. Cause I'm not gonna be on that one. Well, when you guys do Black Hawk Down. You're not gonna be on it because of, nah, it's not my type of deal. But when you do, I'm on the ISEAS1 rewrite. I love that. Okay. But you guys, it should be you guys. And then you should bring in somebody from special operator YouTube's is this one guy I watched is like the holla guy. He's a special operator. Do you guys follow what's going on in the special operator community? I actually probably. Honestly, I'm surprised. I don't know the guy you're referencing. The CERNA has spent a lot of time in the Providence Reddit scene the last five days. I do like I love some shit. I love listening to special operators talk about like what they need to be effective on a mission out. If you guys do it, bring in the special operator to talk about it. We're gonna be hollow. The F1 stuff in this movie based on the 2023 Formula One season filmed in 23 and 24. There was a bidding war on late 2021 for the movie. It had Pitt, Brookheimer, Kaczynski, and Ethan Krueger, the guy wrote it. Lewis Hamilton was a producer. Aaron Krueger. Aaron Krueger. It's an interesting writer. Yeah. It's an interesting collection though. My bad, sorry Krueger. Apple won the thing for 1340 million. Get Pitt, 30 of it. Pitt and Danson did all the driving up to 180 miles an hour and then they tapped out after that. See, Danson had to part of getting the role with him. Yeah, he had to beat out. And unfortunately, this movie just happened. So there's really no great casting what ifs for it. So I'm just gonna say there was apparently like a huge bunch of people trying to get it for the JP role. Yeah. Aaron Krueger did Arlington Road, reindeer games, the ring. Three Transformer movies and Top Gun Maverick. Yes. It's a good career. It's worth noting that part of the top of a whole bunch of other stuff. Is a after the film, there is an additional literary contributions credit for Aaron Sorkin. Yes, I saw that. Christopher Storer and Uncredited. Jess Butterworth and Kerasmith. Cleaned up some dialogue. I think that's where you want to get to in life as a screenwriter where they're like, here's 500 grand. Can you just read this script and send us like 10 notes? Yeah. Clean up a little dialogue. [BLANK_AUDIO] - Hey, I've talked about it before. I can't, Arlington Roads underrated. - I like it too. - Kazinsky broke through. He'd been around for a while, but broke through with Top Gun Maverick in '22. He understands me, CR. - Yeah. - He knows what you like. - He understands what I want. He understands what I want in a movie. And he's done two of the only rewatchables ever that we've done in the same year the movie came out. - We'll probably do another one when Miami Vice comes out. - I mean, we'll be doing that from the theater from, we just got out with the camera. - And he's the only person who's ever made a movie that we've done the rewatchables that we could came out, right? Didn't we do Top Gun Maverick really soon after it came out? - Yeah, 'cause we both went nuts. - Yeah, yeah. - Also directed one of the greatest commercials of all time. - What's that? - You guys remember the Gears of War commercial where it was. - That R.I.M. song, what's the song? - The song. - No, tears for fear song. - Oh, everybody wants to rule the world? - No, it's, who makes, I don't know who makes the song there? - No, the song is called. We just gonna go through all these records. - Obviously a commercial that stayed with you. - No, it's a great story. - It's called Mad World. - Mad World, yeah. - Mad World, shut the fuck up. It's called Mad World, the Gears of War commercial. - Yeah. - He did that. - Mad World. - Yeah, but I think, like, this is a really important movie for him 'cause it's the, now he is, to me, the big budget action guy. - Well, 200 million dollar budget, at least made to over 600 million so far. It's at like 630 as we record this. So, I think he's got a- - It's also like, gonna be the now flagship movie of Apple for five years, probably. - Well, that's the other thing. And we could have put this in. - Like every time you turn on Apple TV, the first thing you see is right here. - Still there, I went to go find it to rewatch it this week. And there it was, just staring at me. I don't know what category that fits in for the rewatchables, but it gave Apple movie credibility that it just didn't have. It was a big bet. They were kind of, they felt like they were just stupid money. People taking advantage of them in some ways. And then this movie changed the calculus of it and then ended up with them getting F1 recently. The actual sport that is gonna now be an Apple. - So before this, Apple had put out the really Scott one, Napoleon. - Yes. - I think that movie was, when you go and watch that film, first of all, it is really Scott is obviously fantastic. But the movie itself is just a mess. It seems like it's something that's overall, it's overspent. It's the entire deal. It doesn't seem like there was actually real craft in the filmmaking there. It's precisely the type of movie that some, that Apple would not want to make. - Yeah. - It looks like a film made by like a big streamer with no constraints on anything. - And they had a few of those. - And this movie looks like the opposite. It looks like a movie that even though they spent a ton of money that everything was done with such care and such craft that it solidifies them as people who know how to make the films. - Also, I think we've seen some success this year with we'll release the movie in the theaters for a few weeks. And then it'll be on our service and we're gonna win two ways. 'Cause we saw one battle, we saw it with centers. Saw this movie, we saw it with weapons. This formula that people thought, well that doesn't make sense. Why am I gonna go see in the theater if it's also gonna be available for free? - Yeah. - So this was a, this was eighth worldwide in 2025. It was this biggest Superman van. - Yeah. - Take that fucking Superman. - Oh, it's an interesting development though. - Yeah. - Have some of that. It was Pitt's biggest film ever. - Worldwide at least. - It surpassed Cars 2 as the highest grossing sports film worldwide. Has Cars 2 a sports movie in the end of the memo? - Is it an animated? - Yeah. - I mean, that was in my research. Cars 2 was the biggest sports movie. It's like what, I don't know what the actual biggest one is. I forgot to mention Soundtrack by Hans fucking Zimmer. - And the Hansettes. - Coming at John Williams now. Has John Williams in his sights? (laughs) Roddry would do not review this movie 'cause he's been dead for like 10 years. - Do you think you would have liked it? - So I looked up some of his racing reviews. He gave Rush 4 stars. Days of Thunder 2, Top Gun 2 and a half. I didn't do the chat GBT to find out what he would have thought. - I was about to ask. - The bank of Sun comes to you. You got uncomfortable last time. - No, I didn't. - No, I do. - I do. - I do. - I do. - I got a ton of time. - Look at this. - All right. - The dog population estimate in the world, "Cosful Ball Scandals." Explain to me, sovereign AI. What does the hostel take over? All kinds of violent history of the KKK. This is what I ask. You could just Google that though. - But chat GBT does it better. It talks to me in the woods. - I think it's probably be given this three stars. Two long racing scenes incredible. I said three stars as well, and I think he would have paid special tribute to Carrie Condon and how she was a well-developed female character. - The four stars, 'cause the movie making is so great. - I know. - Yeah. All right, we take a break. And then we do most rewatchable scene. - This episode is brought to you by Subaru. For Subaru, the holiday season is a time to give back. That's why during the 2025 Subaru share the love event from November 20th to January 2nd. Subaru and its re-towers would donate at least $300 to charity nationwide. For every new car sold or at least, they've supported over 2,700 local causes. And by year's end, donations will reach $350 million. Learn more at Subaru.com/share. All right, guys, I have a few here. I'm gonna try zip through them. Most rewatchable scene. The opening scene, sunny in a trailer. Is this Cliff Booth? Is he back? It's just such a great character introduction. The leds app just coming in. They're like, not only are we spending a lot of money on this movie, we have fucking leds app on it. Dude, when you see the deal with the head with this in IMAX, yeah, and a whole lot of love starts and then he dunks his face in an ice bath and then he's like 24 hours in Daytona, she wig him. You let it's right. You ready to go. Hey, he's sleeping. And then the person says, five minutes, yeah, until you have to get into one of those death machines and race around. Yeah. You just ride away and know so much about the character. And then he gets out of the car and he goes, lose that lead, lose that lead, not clear. Mm-hmm. Put the bunch of zins in. Yeah. Spend your whole life starting over, sunny. Anyway, uh, next one, sunny shows up. Does the, I can get within one second a GP challenge flips the car at the end, but he made it enjoyable. Sizing each other up. Some good sizing, some good sizing in this movie. Super understand that. Like it seemed like he had like one good sector, but stalled ones and then crashed. That's like what they're like. That's our guy. He's 52 and he crashed. I also really like when, uh, when they're, when they're like, is he auditioning? He's like, no, he's auditioning us. That is the truth. Yeah. Uh, I have sunny and Kate having a beer. Mm-hmm. Right into the Rocky IV training montage. Training montage is great. It's like JP's doing the new school version, but there's, there's, uh, our guy's sunny old school. She still pull ups. We, we never, we don't talk about that trope. Old school, new school training, old school, new school training invented that shit. They invented it. Yeah. I can't, I got to say CR's been in my life for so long that when the two beers seen, for some reason, I just think of CR immediately as I'm watching it. I'm like, CR would love this watching this girl with a big pint. Yeah. And if she pulled out a cigarette like he said earlier, I think it would have been all over. Uh, good. We don't get a lot of pint scenes anymore. It's also a very idyllic pub on a, on a canal. Like a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. They look great. Yeah. They look awesome. I mean, neither of them's really drinking the beer. Yes. I wonder if that was it's like just that much. I wonder if that was a F1 thing because the only person who's really drinking alcohol in this movie is Tobias Menzies. And everybody else is kind of having not an A beers. Yeah. You know, we're this deep into the pod. We haven't really talked about this movie as a function of F1 propaganda commercial stuff. I mean, every single driver's in it. I didn't want, I didn't want to spend too much time on that because there was so much written and discussed the battle when the movie came up. But it is, we probably, you know, if you don't have commercial for F1. Yeah. I mean, Louis Hamilton's in the end. Nobody's a villain. Louis Hamilton is part of the filmmaking. Yeah. And no, there's no, nothing like Ferrari's, the bad guys or Red Bull or the bad guys. There are no bad guys. Although I will say, interestingly enough, I'm sure we're going to get to this at some point. The F1 community kind of mixed on this movie. Yeah, some of the drivers, even were just like, I wonder if it was like, they have to be like Carlos Sains has to get past. Like Max gets passed by these dudes. Like, I'm interested because I saw that in the research too. I'm interested in what they would have wanted. Yeah, but that's the thing. Like if somebody, it's like when they made that romcom about the place that seemed like Grandland, you fucking guys. This, that's not like that. My office wouldn't be that nice. What is this movie? And that's like power movie, right? But it was the Grand Power movie with, so we don't know if they were working and they admitted it was like based on like a grand land type of place. And it was like so much nicer than Grandland in the office. We just had like, we worked on people cram together. Yeah. So, oh, I forgot in the beer thing. This was another like mini trope. They're saying Sonny isn't it has been. He's never was like I've heard that line before. I don't know. There's, there's some lines where it's like, oh, this definitely got pulled out AI. Uh, next thing Sonny exploits the rules by causing minor crashes to get JP in the top 10. And I'm just gonna do this as a nitpick now. Can you do this? - There, I don't think so to the extent that they do. - It's probably why the F1 people didn't like this. - Well, I think when you read like, like I was reading reviews of the movie in F1 and auto racing magazines and they were like, this is ridiculous, this is ridiculous. No one would ever do this, you couldn't do that. So I think if you're a general fan of like, if you're obviously a movie-going fan, but if you are like, I am broadly aware of F1, but don't understand the minutiae of it, you love this movie and if you do understand all the details of F1, you're probably like, well, that's bullshit. - So I always think what I have, if I was a banker, and I was watching the big short, because the big short is the only other movie that I can compare to this film that has to do work in order for the narrative to be understood, has to do work in educating the audience as you're watching the movie. And obviously, it's fable they did it in a very ingenious way. But in this movie, if not for that part that probably doesn't happen, I would really not know what was going on. There's like a couple of different parts in the film where some of the stuff that they use in-story explains to me. - That's a really good example, because big short has all those direct camera moments with like, excited Gomez and Anthony Bourdain. But then also like, in margin call, there will be times in margin call where a character will be like, explain this to me like I'm 10. And it's like, well, you'd probably understand a little bit more of a sophisticated version of this, but if you want Jeremy Irons to say that, you can have it, and that way the audience understands how the housing crisis starts. - I was trying to think of the sports that we watch all the time, what would be the example of him causing the minor crashes, but it's somehow being legal. Being football, if you're like, there's 30 seconds left, the other team's on their 20, and you just did pass in her parents every time to chew the clock up, like five yards right up the line of the scrimmage. And it just choose up five seconds, and then the other teams at the 45 with no time left, which I've seen teams try to do. And if that was an even more blatant version that strategy, that's kind of like a little hack-a-shack. - Yeah, a little hack-a-shack. - Hack-a-shack is a good example. - JP Crash is in the rain. This is an incredible sports movie scene. - But Maunza, the whole Maunza race is amazing. - Every piece of this is great. - The combat chant right into these sunnies putting it together, Montage. - Just say something about the crash real quick. - Good music, yeah. - Another reason why that crash is great, is 'cause in the movie, you don't know if he's going to die. It's very-- - What's unexpected, yeah. - Yeah, you think he's gonna win the race. You're always gonna pass this guy. - Well, what's he crashes? I could see them killing him. - Yeah. - Like, it's a Brad Pitt deal. He's there. I could see the character dying. It's not like when you were in a Marvel film or some of these other big budget IP movies. These people assigned up for, nobody's gonna die. There's a danger to this film, 'cause you don't know what's gonna happen. I thought maybe he was dead. The combat chant, sunny putting it together, Montage, really good music. The poker game, I have some thoughts on the poker game later, but it's an enjoyable scene. - The first time through, yeah. - Carey's wearing the strapless-- - A whole new watch on a rewatch. - Gonna be completely candid. There is like an hour and a half version of this movie that's just the races. That is just like-- - Yeah. - All I wanna watch in my life. - Well, they need this though to set up the hook-up with her, but I just like when anybody plays cards in a movie, the balcony scene, the Brad Pitt face, I was gonna be World Champion. Best there ever was. Then it was all taken away. Chasing that moment every time I get in the car. I'm knowing I'll find it again, but man, I want to. So that moment I'm flying. - It's pretty good. - Yeah, it's good stuff. - You like she's just looking, they've got the balcony with Vegas. Great scene. I like when they don't want 'em to race. - If it's the last thing I do is drive that car. I will take that life. - Oh, this is after Vegas when you crash your Vegas. - I had a question though. Why not when they're trying to decide whether Sonny should race or not? Why not have a Javier Bardem do a coin toss? All of a sudden his hair is parted forward. - Yeah, it's just a call it, call it Sonny. Then the final sprint and then them winning in a champagne spray celebration. That seems really fun. Did the right guy crash? Let's just do this now. Oh, this is my hottest take. Well, let's hear it. Let's just do it now. This is a better movie of Sonny crash. My Luke Wilson hottest take is basically Sonny winning Abu Dhabi, much like Maverick, where Maverick has to be the one who saves everybody's asses, is probably good for this movie, but bad for the movie industry. And it is kind of like a metaphor for like baby boomers staying in their houses. Like we gotta get you guys out of the pain. And it's not good for the movie industry. If we don't build more Bradpits and more Tom Cruises, and if these guys keep making movies like this, where they're like, no, no, no, I win. I'm the champion, but thank you for your assistance. It's bad for the movie industry. So I like it in the movie. But Bradpits are crash at the end. I remember we talked about this when we did the thing on my podcast, 'cause it was the one thing I had walking out of the theater where I was like, huh. The better movie is if Dampson wins. Yes. Well, it's, and Sonny puts him forward and pays it forward and the team wins, but they have Sonny win. And it's just, and then it's like, you win more later. You're gonna win 10 of this. It's like, will he? I don't know. So the best version of this to me that's ever been done in this old dog, new dog thing is in color of money. Yeah, we're at the end, what's this of Newman wins? But you don't, he doesn't know that he actually didn't win. That he's in a world now to where he can't see the angles anymore. So actually Vince won. So you walk away, you kind of get the best of both worlds. Now you get Eddie Filsen, like renewed and all of that. And you get the actual character walking away smiling, the young guy smiling. In this movie though, I'm gonna keep it all the way real with y'all. I didn't go to the movie to watch Dampson win. Okay. So here's the only flip I would say. What you were saying is true, but by the time we built it up to him because they didn't do enough for Dampson's character in the movie to make him winning the race satisfactory. If his mom would have needed, if we knew more about all of this stuff, I completely agree with that. But they didn't do enough for his character to have the win the race. First time I was shocked that he didn't win. Second time pit winning made more sense to me in the context of the movie. But I still think it's more interesting if they flip it. It's just a more interesting movie. Like the movie that probably did the handover, the best is Creed. And it's also a very successful franchise about a new quote unquote character. Even though it's like a lot of the candy given Sunday. Because Cap gets hurt right before half time. Sure. Yeah, but we make the dentist quade face. But Cap, like once again, in that movie, there's no stakes in Willie Beam and taking over. Cap, we barely get to know Cap. We're doing it. But it would be kind of cool if if like it's a redo. Sonny crashes in Vegas and he's not allowed to race anymore. Like Ruben won't let him race. So he becomes the guy on the guy in the ear, you know, Kate, nobody wants that. I know. But I'm just saying like it's bad for the movie industry if we do not make these dudes into like superstars. I don't disagree. Like you wonder if in F2, if JP gets to win or if they even they could literally not bring JP back for F2. Fuck, I mean, F2 could just be Brad Pitt and Baja and I go, yeah. Would you see that? Yeah. I'd probably go watch it. Brad, sunny bunch and Baja, let Taylor share it and write it. The cartel is coming after him. Okay. So that was my hottest tape, but we put it in for Abu Dhabi. You know, when you get old and life, things get taken away from you. It's part of life. You only learn that when you start losing stuff, find out that life is just a game. Ancest. Are you just doing any given Sunday? What's what's happening? I'm just getting you guys ready for 2020 on Sunday and this team, we fight for that. I was like, did Sonny say that? Yeah. I was probably would have been the way to have Sonny not race in the final race as he gives up a cheeky like any given Sunday's speech to JP. Yeah. What's your most remarkable thing? Monsa. It's fucking awesome. The virtual safety car, the rain coming in, Sonny cuts off Max when the guy whips the fire thing to him so his son is closer and then a good little detail, the slingshot move in the rain spray is awesome. So Monsa, I also really like the British Grand Prix when Sonny doesn't start. Like it's like the race starts and Sonny's just sitting there and they're like, what's he doing? Yeah. What's he doing? He's playing us. Yeah. If not for him, flying is definitely a monster for me, but the flying part which is really cool. That's my answer. Yeah. I love the ending of this movie. I love any scene in the movie where two old friends see each other, but at first they pretend like they don't know each other. Yeah. And then the CR and the dinner, you old son of a bitch, son of a bitch, son of a bitch. Son of a bitch. You old fucking son. It's good to see you. Like I love any scene. Like that. We start doing that every time we see each other. Yeah. That's when I come find CR and London in 25 years. I'm having a beer with Carrie Condon. Yeah. So we got a part one more time, we got a new podcast idea. - It's a rewatchable Zabaz. - I need ya. (laughing) - What's the most 2025 thing about this movie? Well, this just happened, but I'll give you a drive to survive reference. The F1 having a major race in Las Vegas could only have happened in the last two years. And then JP watching Sonny's 1993 accident on YouTube. - Yeah, I mean, three choices. - Three, yeah. - There's a really rooted in the 2020s. Making a movie like this about F1 at this particular point. - F1 has taken over. - F1 being internationally beloved celeb infested in this sport. - I want to know how you feel about this. So to me, F1 is the new soccer in that it's a sport. - And then nobody actually watches it. - That you have to act like you care about if you are a cosmopolitan. - You turn into an American standpoint? - Yeah, if you're a cosmopolitan sports fan, like us regular sports fans that get into baseball, play off baseball, football and basketball, maybe a little tennis, maybe a little golf when there's a dominant person. - Then you're pretending to have something about the world cup. - Right, but like if you go to the Croatian, it could be good. - I heard that. - By the way, just like last year, there was friends of mine that were going, yeah, I'm going, I got to go support my fucking driving team. I'm like, the fuck outta here. You're driving team. - What does that mean? - I was saying under 30s, there were, I get to that jump right in. But that's a part of it. Like now, everybody-- - Our podcast, that's pretty well. - I'm not saying it's a bad thing. - Shout out to Make Shister. - I'm just saying everybody now has to have like a soccer team. You know, everybody has to have a soccer team. And it's like, if you're a true sports fan, if you're into soccer, if you're into the WNBA, you're a true sports fan, like yeah, that's kind of being a cosmopolitan sports fan. - WNBA went on a three year strike. The WNBA cooking right now. - It's like fun to watch. - I hope it's cooking with regular sports. - I can't wait to see the games next year. - Have you seen the Audi Crooks? Where do you think we talking to? - She plays for Iowa State. - Iowa State. - Have I seen Audi Crooks? - All right. - Just making sure you're supporting the league, Bill, 'cause they need you. - I'm supporting. - If you don't, 'cause you've been in the past. - I was texting with Chenet yesterday about it. - I was. - Are they dropping? - 'Cause she's gonna come on the pod soon. 'Cause we really have to figure out this WNBA strike before it becomes a strike. - Yeah, yeah, sure. - This is not a good situation. - Do people with F1, do they more cheer for drivers or teams? - I think it's drivers, right? Like the people that I know that are in trouble. - Now, I think it's like basketball where some people have teams and other people have drivers. So if the driver switches team, you cycle the bronze. Oh, the bronze on the calves again. I'm moving for the calves. - Let me ask you this. Michael Schumacher was F1, right? - Sure. - Yes. 'Cause in the, yeah. - In the '90s, he was everywhere, right? You see, you see. - I think they did, like, those guys also moved around. Like, they did Indie. They did. - Indie cars, well. - They would race F1 and also race other. Did he have a few to the cold trickle? - Schumacher? - No, it was him and Seto. We're racing. - It'll go on back a little more. - Woodstage is the best. Brad Pitt living in a trailer, I'm just in every time. - Yeah. - At this point. - I don't know if anyone's ever lived in a trailer better than him in a movie. - It would be funny if he was playing like FDR, but he was living in a trailer. (laughing) - Back on a white house. - They should just release a movie called Brad Pitt's Living in the trailer. - Yeah. - That's just the movie. - Brad Pitt's his buddy's FDR open up. - Open a can because he's good looking as he is. He does slobbingly. - He doesn't even know. - He does. - You're that fucking hot. You can just do it in one way. - Who's your favorite Brad Pitt character ever? Is it Buddy Ball guy? - No. - Tyler Gerrard. - My favorite is probably either True Romance or Fight Club. - Yeah. - I like Floyd and True Romance hands that. - Yeah. - One of my favorite characters of all time. - It's coming back just to, - And then Bern have to read it. - It would be like a, an hour we'll mention. - Let's say it's the best. I like movies with just a great expensive soundtrack that they're just like, we're gonna have queen and let's have one and some other shit on this and we, money was not spare. - They also just did a full album of new music for this record. - Do I have a bunch? What do you have? - I'm just a fucking Irish guy who loves Carrie Condon. (laughing) - Yeah, I got Carrie Condon. I love it when she goes, what's wrong with the car? The guy is sitting in it. (laughing) - And her shit is thick. - Do it. (laughing) - And we also, we gotta bring, we gotta start saying box box. Like next time I have to pee, I'm gonna be like box box. I'm gonna walk off sat. Like the F1 pit call when like, they're like, I have to bring the car into the road and like box box box. Did you notice that? - I did. - Okay. - I was thinking about should they have added a scene when, 'cause we never see Damson's dad, if J.P.'s dad, they're like, what happened to him and Carrie Condon was like, I gave him a taste. (laughing) - She took to a right away. - She took to a right away. - You did. - Chemical way. (laughing) - It was, I don't see how it was on the other day. I watched the entire movie. - I just seen it like a couple of months ago. - I'm gonna be real. - If it's on, I just hop in. - I watch a lot of villains. - Possibly. - Evil shit flower guys. - Being like, that's your mother's truck. - I'm saying that to him is the most evil shit. - And then your dad let you think she just ran away. - You just do walking around. - As he's doing the fucking flower. - Why are you putting your fucking flyers out there? - Like that guy. - That's one of the most evil villain monologues that I've ever seen. - That was an evil motherfucker. - I see that move. - Spirit animal. - What does CFCR? - Just like our introduction to Sonny as a guy who's like, listening to Led Zeppelin, doing his clothes at the laundromat. - Yeah. - Listening to the radio. I just think it's like a great character. Be where you're like, this is a dude that's out of step with modern times. - Would you have been? - The technical stuff had that as well. - All the in-race scoreboard graphic helpers. - All of the tech, all of the technical stuff. - Yeah. - How beautiful this movie almost looks like it could be, it takes place in the present time. But like this movie looks like it could be like a near future his film with how much stuff is going on. - It's also crazy how much you kind of like, I never really truly understand what the fuck is happening. But like by the end of the movie, you're like, oh my God, he's going to undercut him. You know what I'm like, I didn't know what that concept was before I watched this movie. - And as a commercial, this might be the single most and maybe you guys can think of one that's better. This might be the single most effective movie commercial. Maybe other than the wizard. Like when you were a kid and you were watching a wizard, you wanted to play Mario 3, like crazy when the wizard came out. But this, knowing that that world exists, like these incredibly rich, beautiful people, watching people drive these, that looks like an intoxicating world to be a part of. It made me sort of almost halfway, half a 1% interest in Neff 1. And I've never watched. - Yeah, the outdoor luxury box situation they have with the evil villain guy entertaining cast. That seems pretty fun. - Yeah. - Who wants some caviar guys? As we watch guys verify. - It seems like 80% of F1 audiences are in executive suites somehow. - I had the same thing with the scoreboard graphic uppers how we always know where we are on the race. I just think we've seen so many sports movies where they fucked that up. You don't know what the score is or they have announcers. And here comes Sunny Hayes. We didn't expect to see him and they just screwed up. I have a asking diner waitresses for advice. (laughing) Always a win. What do you think there, Louise? Well, how much are we talking? - Yeah. - It's not about the money. The diner waitresses are just undefeated. - They feel a lot, they've been through a lot. - It's really funny today. - They've seen a lot. They're like bartenders, but they've seen even more. - Brad Pitt got $30 million to do this movie so he's like, it's not about the money. (laughing) - The morning jogs we mentioned. The old school opening credit sequence. - Awesome. We don't do opening credits anymore, Van. - Yeah. - Probably back to the 90s. And then my last one, this is another sports movie trope of anyone in this case, the jumpy pit crew member. - Yeah, Jody. - Where you're like, oh, she's gonna be redeemed. - Yeah, she's gonna come through. We're gonna have a change over one point. Shall I ever shit together? I always enjoy this. Okay, because in a burger war, Bessie's food and drink, the beer's the worst day. - Yeah, it's an easy one. - Honorable mention to Bardem and Pitt's diner scene. - That's a good two, yeah. - Great chat, Gordo. JP's car crash in slow mo. - Yeah. - That's a clear winner, but I was trying to think there's so many awesome shots in the movie. - Do you know what just like gets my fucking heart going is just the shot of sunny taking checkered flag and the fucking fireworks going on. - It's like the gorgeous, beautiful, yeah. - Great use of fireworks to this movie. Kid Cutters did happen, so we're a best needle trap. It's clearly a whole lot of love. Led's up. - But I do like the Chris Stapleton song that plays over the practice race. That when when when sunny first gets to the team. - Chess Rockwell, Brocklander's best character name, Sunny Hayes. - Mm-hmm. - What do you have? - The British media, the sports reporter Don Cavendish. (laughing) - Sunny, Sunny, you're a gambler. (laughing) - That could have been, that should be a new category for 26, well, part could see our foot. - That would have been you. - Yeah, that could have been Don Cavendish. - Yeah. - Cavendish comes up. - Oh, you have a flex category, what do you got? - Oh, when would I have died? Now most people would probably say when they were driving. - I think I would die cleaning gravel off of the track. (laughing) - I think I would be like busy listening to something and then like getting distracted. - And getting distracted. - Going to have fun. - I was able to. - Final destination, yes. - Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film. I have a glaring one, but what do you have? - I have one. - Do you have one? - You go, no, you go. - No, you go. - But it was hard for me. to like find one, but it was probably his manager to punch it in. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's the guy, Samson Kayro is good in it. Yeah. But it is a nothing part. Yeah, it doesn't mean anything. Yeah, he's a bad guy. Good guy. And he, and even at the end when JP decides not to do it, they didn't, they haven't committed enough to the character. He's just like daps him up. He's like, cool. We're not going to do social media anymore. Right. Now, I don't have a job. He's just fine. But that's great. I mean, I think probably cousins or something like that. Yeah, they are. Yeah. But it doesn't exist though. It's like the end thing. The Edwards is, but I know, but you need to me, you got to commit to that character a little bit. Give that character something. Make him a little sinister. He has to be like, I want to go to these parties for myself. I need you to come to get me in. I'm trying to get laid either funnier or more serious or something. Sunny is way too fucking old to be an F1 driver. That's picking nits though. Now, this is the week link in the film. I don't know. The oldest Formula One driver ever to win a Grand Prix was Luigi Fagiolli. He's 53 years old. That was in 1951 at the French Grand Prix. Louis Hamilton is the oldest 21st century driver to win a race. He was 39 years old in 2004. Sunny crashed in 93. So he's either 19 or 20 when he crashes. So that makes him 51, 52 or 53 in this film. This would be like, like fucking Jack Nicholas winning the 86 masters multiplied by seven. It's impossible. Right. There are no 50-year-old F1 drivers. It's also like how many old F1 drivers have also had major spinal surgery. C5 and never were really an F1 before. Yeah. All of this isn't probable, but I love it. That's why I had to want to put it in the picks. Was there a better title for this movie? In 2023, ESPN reported that the film was titled Apex. Terrible title. Terrible title. For a movie that's this. I don't like the title, F1. I don't think it's a good title. I think it's too confusing with the actual property. And I think they should have come up with a better one. With the call that Sunny Hay is Apex. F1, it's like you Google it and F1 comes up. I think also F1 calling it that made it seem more explicitly like an advertisement for the for the for the racing. So it almost like is like a little like cut flying. No, but that's the thing is like what are you going to call it? But you know, if you're trying, if you're trying to, I don't like the Apex name. If you're if you're trying to do a commercial for F1, like I said, the movie it lives inside this, the fact that it's straightforward and vapid counter. If this was a movie about an NBA player and they've just called it NBA, that'd be weird. It wouldn't make any sense because the sports are well established. You guys going to see NBA? No, man, I'm going to see Atlanta Hawks. It's going to be independent version. It's a bad title. Let's say it's the worst. So we don't know because this movie only came out six months ago, I won a real one. So Lewis Hamilton's beloved dog Roscoe was in this film. Oh, and yeah, now is that Roscoe has passed away. It was very tough for Lewis Hamilton. He talked a lot about it. And when I saw when I went to go see the movie at first, Roscoe was still alive and well. It was cool. He meant a lot to F1. He was kind of an F1 mascot. When you see him now, you think about how much that much. That's a good one. Yeah. I had this as more than an epic. So I put it here. This movie ends three times. And I think you can make a case. You just stick with the first ending. Which would be what? Yeah, listen. He wins the race. He's walking off. It could end it there. He's got to say goodbye to Kerry Condon. So you have that moment. Then he's got to say goodbye one more time to J.P. Easily could end it there. And now we're going to Baja. Yeah, Baja was too much. Baja was. What the fuck? Baja was fine, but just make that a deleted scene. It was like they like that they shot it or post credit it like Baja was too much. Right. And the movie maybe make that just post credits completely. But there's no way that should have been the ending. You could have just ended this with him spraying the champagne. It is like, this is a guy who does what he says he's going to do. And it's not about the money. It's about the driving. You know, so you have to have that hammered home one more time when he gets when he gets to Baja, when he gets to Mexico. All right. I'd find it hard to believe this guy's like, my F1 career is now over. The only one by one race. Age the worst. I mean, this is also a nitpick, but we kind of mentioned this. I think there should have been more scenes of F1 drivers interacting with these guys and or commenting on the fictional reality of the movie. Well, even that one scene with the talk show. Yes, with the guy with the guy who ran Apex with the two real guys. Yeah, exactly. And yeah, Ruffler, Hannah Ribbonick, Partridge, overacting award. I would probably say you're an English reporter, guy. He's down. What does that guy do? He said, like, I'm cocaine. Yeah. Treating people like shit, asking crazy questions. Yeah, it's paid out. You got to flex category then. I do. I got another top five. This is the top five scenes of old guys schooling young guys in movies. Five to one. Number five, Joe Clark to Sam's in lean on me. Yeah. On the roof. Yeah. Why don't you just jump. It kills your brain cells, son. It kills your brain cells. Sam's looking at overtaking by the fact that he's actually on crack. And Joe Clark is trying to save his life. I don't think you're allowed to do that in schools anymore. Probably not. So to figure out you got to push somebody off the roof, but it got to be continued to investigate. Right. Like Joe Clark. Number four, Rocky B. Sub Tommy gun. Yeah, I can't wait to talk about this. I'm sorry, bro. Rocky putting them hands on Tommy. I was asking for it. Tommy was asking for it. It's very mean to the bar and start talking shit. Number three, ship out dueling cow Watson in the one-on-one game in a blow the round. Yeah. 15 straight 14 footers. And then at the end, you hit that. You hit that. You talking to his friend. He says, I'm cool. It's good. Number two. That's where they probably would have put him in a straight jacket. When he's talking to his blood. He's not so. Not so. You hit that. Not so. And he liked that so more than anyone's ever liked one of their friends. Like, did you ever have a friend you cared about more than nuts? I have a couple of them, but no friends that I would play basketball on the roof with with no fence. Right. And then the way nuts so died is fucking absurd. Okay. That movies elite. Number two is split. One, Yoda's school in Luke. Yeah. When Luke cannot raise. That's great. Yeah. And Diggleby. Yeah. Out other thing. And then Luke's dad also got school. Yeah. Kenobi stood there. And he said, Anakin. Don't try it. Don't try to jump. And Anakin with your under estimate my power. He jumped and Kenobi cut his fucking legs. Spoiler. Jesus. Come on. No, you're talking about the prequels. I'm talking about in Revenge of the Sith. It's just one of my all-time favorite. You got too much dip on your chip moments. And it can's like, I'm the chosen one. I could jump. So that was two star wars as number one as number. No, no, as number two. Number one is very clear. This is the best and I hate to give you this props. The best old guy, school and young guy seen ever to me is Robin Williams to Matt Damon on the bench. And good. Well, just watched it with Ben Simmons. Is he really? Ben Simmons and I watch Goodwill Hunting and Shawshank Redemption back-to-back two nights ago. Ben like everyone. Y'all loved it. Yeah. That's some hardcore bonding right there. Goodwill Hunting was great. I sit down there and he's telling him the whole thing. He just cuts will down and you looked at a painting for five seconds. You cut apart my fucking life. You ever been on a plane before? Like the whole nine just takes his whole shit apart because will is a genius, but Robin Williams experienced your move chief. Your move chief. Yep. It's a great one. I will say watching Shawshank with Ben was one of my highlights of 2025. He had no idea it was gonna happen. Really? And he was like is he gonna then Andy gets the rope? He's going back to his son. He's like he's gonna hang himself like what the fuck? And then the next day they're like he doesn't come out for the cell and he's gone and Ben was just like he lost his mind like four times. Forget how great that move is. How does take CRD gave his? Did you have one? Yeah. I don't like anybody in real life or in movies that throws cards for fun. So I'll say what have you ever in your life seen somebody do that? It's like think about what kind of obsessive bastard you have to be to throw all of them cards for fun. I don't trust you at all. I think that number one you gotta go clean up all the cards and you gotta do it again. Crazy alone time. You gotta spend. Number two is kind of violent. You throwing cards. I feel like what you really want to be throwing is like ninja stars or shit like that. That can like switch blade. Like a fireworks. Yeah. You want to throw something that somebody. Yeah. I just never trusted anyone. It's like that's like two into cards and using cards as tricks and throwing cards. There's one guy in the history of throwing cards that was cool. One dude gambit X-Men charge a car connectly throw it. Yeah. You're really pushing bill with the prevention of the Sith and gambit from X-Men. Come on. You gotta know it's a useless skill. Just throwing cards sitting around there. They always make it as a cool movie thing too. You just tossing cards. I've never liked people they've done that never before. My hardest take was that I like racing movies 10 times more than actual race. Yes. Let's take a break and then we'll do some casting what ifs. Casting what ifs you mentioned dance and adress was hired at after passing the F1 driving test. We don't know who the other actors he beat out were, but we'll find out in about 12 years as the internet starts making up names of people that were around the same age. Simone Ashley, we do know that she did promotional tour interviews is in the movie as his love interest and then just got cut out. - I'm a suck. - Yes. - Can you imagine? - 'Cause you probably like, I'm in, I'm gonna be in one of the biggest movies of the year and I'm like a big part and they're just like, I just didn't work. - I went to F1, where were you? - But you go to the movie and you're like, "Oh, so we needed another jogging scene." - Yeah. - Thanks for the fuckers. - Pete was supposed to be in the original Ford Versus for our with Tom Cruise and it was called Go Like Hell with Kaczynski to direct him but it fell apart. - Yep. - And then it worked together in this. - Best that guy award. I mean, there's a few, what would you have for this? - I have Kim Betnaya from the dude from Killing Eve is Casper, the team principal, like the guy who's like, got his family coming to visit at the garage and stuff or Will Merrick, who's the dude who's always like box, box, box. - Who's the guy in the first scene, the whole lot of love scene? - Shay Wiggum. - Yeah. - That's not a, that's not the guy. - He's out of that guy, right? - That's a fucking major dude. - Yeah, that's a guy. - That's a dude. - That's sort of, he used to be a that guy though. - Sure. - But he's been in, he's a graduated that guy. Very much so. - Yeah, he's, yeah, he's shaving. - Although maybe not 'cause I couldn't remember his name. - Maybe he hasn't graduated. - Would you give him Dion Waiters? - No. - That's my Dion Waiters, Shay. 'Cause I can, he's so much more of a that guy than me, to me that I could not understand why he showed up in the movie for one scene and didn't have three lines and then you never see him again. - Apple, Apple money. - Like come on in, two days. - I wonder whether or not he was supposed to be, I have a bigger part. I don't know. - And then he was also maybe trimmed down or cut out. - Dion Waiters, could we go with the aggressive English reporter, Don Cavendish? - Should you be on Cavendish? I went with Tobias Menzies. Do you think Peter Bannon is in this movie too much? - Ah, he's in too much. - He might be in a little too much. That's a good one though. 'Cause he, when he's actually, I don't really think this movie needed that character. - Yeah. - It's a knit. - The villain turn is like completely wet. - And like the whole like betray Rubin and I leaked the papers. It's like, I don't know, it was, it was going fine. - You could go with the McLaren and the Ferrari guys than that one's seen too, maybe. - Yeah. - Just coming in hot, shitting all over the bus. - Recasting couch director of city, I wouldn't change anything. - Well, they also used all the cities. - Yeah, they used every city. - Craig is not here. - Craig's on vacation at his Netflix category. Have fastener research. Brookheimer said it took a year to convince everyone to be able to do this on race weekends. Everybody was worried about being the villain. He promised everyone no villains. The trailer uses the chain by Fleetwood Mac, which apparently formula one's been using on BBC since 1978, but that's not in the movie. The crash that ended Sonny's career was based on the actual crash of Martin Donnelly in the 1998 Spanish Grand Prix. He was an advisor in the film. Kaczynski said they had over 500, or 5,000 hours of footage in two years to edit because of the strikes and he thought that was one of the reasons the movie was so good. A former F1 female strategy engineer named Bernie Collins from Northern Ireland CR provided the inspiration for the karaoke and character. - Sure. - Could be wife too, who knows? - I don't know what she's doing. - Like you just, you put it in here to the air, right there. - She smokes Barbara red, spirit, ripping seats. The F1 album has just a lot of famous people in it. - Sheeran Stapleton. - Yeah. Sponsor ships from Bears, Brands, and this movie brought in at least 40 million bucks. And then the reason why they disputed the budget stuff. - Yeah. - There's a whole bunch of camera stuff that I'm not going to go through. But if you're interested in it, you could read about all the ways they mounted things, Apple making them, how they made the smallest cameras ever. - A little around for a dock on all it is. And there's not. - Yeah, there's mostly stuff about like pieces of it. - Dancing in Bradley and how to drive stuff. But like the cameras were essentially like the kind that they used in Top Gun operated by remote control and like the stuff that they're doing where it's like on Brad Pitt's face and then snap panning to another driver, whether that's a visual effect or what, it's incredible. - Well, the director said that one of the primary focuses that they had was making sure that when they were on the guys during the race, racing scenes that they didn't have to act. He's like one thing that can throw the racing scenes off is if the guys faces don't match the intensity of what's happening. - Cruise, I'm sorry, Pitt looks like he's, couple, especially in the last scene, it really looks like he's like flying out of space. Apex Mountain, too hard to do in the movie just came out. - I do think it's Apex. - I think F1 has a really Apex Mountain. - F1 and Kaczynski, 'cause now it's back to back. - Those would be the huge movies. - I don't know about anybody else, maybe Carrie Condom. - I could argue that, 'cause, oh, you know, yeah, I could argue that 'cause Kaczynski was Top Gun. It was this, it's F1 for sure. - I think Maverick with this, that guy is now. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - We're going to his movie. I don't know what it is. - Miami Vice. - Did we meet him last month? - We did, right? - We're running, man. - Yeah, I tried to, I tried to be cool. - Who Kaczynski? - Yeah. - He came to the office, Jack Sanders. - Jack Sanders. - Jack Sanders completely embarrassed me. - Why would he say? - So, like, fucking Jack Sanders. - Jack Sanders comes along. - Did you try to go up to Joe and go, "Joe Kaczynski, you son of a bitch!" (laughing) - Jack, me and Jack have this thing that we do. - Yeah. - So we're, I see Jack and I go, "What time is it?" And Jack says, "Is this nigga time?" - Jack Sanders? - Yeah, he's, like, and he said that, Jack says that, right? And it's a part of me and Jack's bonding. Yeah, and so it's a part of me and Jack's bonding. And we say that. And so I walked up to Jack. - Man, this is fucked up if you're lying. (laughing) - He's been doing this. Also, can we actually, he's got like this weird new thing. He's doing, there's this story which did not happen. I know it didn't, and then the other day, he sent me like 14 fucking text messages being like, Chris, Chris, Chris. Two of it wants to come on the watch. (laughing) I was like, two from The Dolphins. And he's like, "Yeah, two of it likes the show. "He wants to come on the watch." And I'm like, "Van, you're fucking with me." But like, honestly, like, I don't really know if we would have a spot for two of it if he doesn't watch shows. He's like, "What is two of them talking about?" - And you're like, "Why don't you just answer me about one or two of it?" - Two of it is allowed on the watch. (laughing) - What's wrong with you? - Don't do this to him. - This is your best bid in 2025. So, I'll walk up to Jack. - We can't run this. - Okay. - We can't run this. - But he's a good one. - Okay, at least you made that one part up. - So I did make, so listen. (laughing) So what do you do? (laughing) - Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. - I'm gonna give you five. - Wait, I've asked this to be a bit for me and Jack. And Jack has never agreed. - No shit. - Right. So I've asked for this to be a bit between me and Jack. And Kaczynski was in that deck. Kaczynski was in the office. And he was doing, he was doing the big picture. And so I'll walk up to Jack when he's with Kaczynski. And I go, "Yo, Jack, what time is it?" And Jack goes, "Fant, leave me alone. I'm doing important stuff." And then I realized that Kaczynski was with him. - Yeah. - And he walked away and Kaczynski turned around and was the boom. - So your point is that Jack has never said that. - No, Jack has never said. Jack refused to say it. - I'm glad that came in that time. - And I kept telling Jack over and over and over. - Jack, how is the most powerful man in the world right now? He could sing it in the lead. - I kept telling Jack over and over. I'm like, "Jack, come on, Jack's like, no, man, no." (laughing) - So two, I didn't want to come on the watch. - And then you didn't reach out. - Roll was so high when I was saying he does. - I love this. - Cruiser, Hanks? - Cruiser. - Yeah. - And there has been, like Kaczynski said this, I think, in somewhat just, but was a F2 could be Days of Thunder II. Like we could have-- - Hey, I saw that. - Cold Trickle and-- - That's interesting. - Yeah, they said this together. - A 65-year-old F1 driver sounds realistic. - I mean, just for-- - Definitely. - Just for what the fuck it now, right? - Stay in your door. - Like, do it, go ahead. - It was just like a car racing movie and it was just a Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise sitting in the stands drinking McLeod. - Should be a movie where Tom Cruise has to get his driver's license renewed. - Yeah. - That's the movie. It's called Renewal. - Renewal. - Scorsese or Spielberg, Scorsese? - Spielberg. - It's not perfect movie for Spielberg, right? - Yeah. - I guess so. - Perfect movie for Spielberg. - I would like Scorsese. - This is essentially Jurassic Park, but with cars. The car is ordered. - All right, fine. - What role of Philips, see more how it's been played? The villain investor. - I have-- - Just no question. - Yeah, Peter Bannon. - Mm-hmm. - Picking nits. - I have a slew of them, so go ahead. - I mean, the number one thing from what I've gathered from F1 is that Sony would not be allowed to just fly to Abu Dhabi and race. (laughing) Fly premium economy, walk onto the track and be like, "I'm racing." - Well, there's an on top of the fact that that's like a 30-hour flight and he'd be completely jet lagged. He's just like, "Where's my helmet?" - He's also getting in premium economy seating for like a global flight after screwing his backup. - All right, the whole nine, he's got to do it. - Yeah, that's the thing. He's not flying more than four hours about standing up and just going up and down. - My other-- - They said it is a breach of forming one world, by the way. You have to qualify. - You do yours. - Well, I got one, yeah. - Have we ever paid attention to the fact that when we compare Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise, There's one thing that Tom Cruise is clearly better at. Rapid is a terrible runner, he looks terrible. Like, cigar level bad? Not cigar level bad. Are you seeing that because of the outfits that he wears while he jogs? I'm watching him in the movie when he's running. And it was jarring to me that he was running like this. He looked terrible to me when he was running. He's a bad runner. He's a bad movie runner. Isn't he running in Chuck's in this movie too? He might be. It might be the reason why his Achilles might be sore. So I thought he was doing a bit 'cause Sonny is a bad bad trying to run like that's where he is. Maybe I tried to think of other movies where he ran. There's a little bit of running in Troy. Troy, he looks like deadly athletic. But like, in this one, the running was bad. Bad running from pit. No cigar though. No, come on man. No cigar. Just running with his hands by his sides. I have a couple of Nick Picking Knits including the Clemsy Pip boss blonde. What was their name? Jodie. She's fired 10 minutes in the movie. You fucked that up once you're done. Is that true? No, I just think they fired. Okay. They're like, oh, we'll give her another chance. She's just cost you nine seconds. She's done. I'd be careful. Far as she goes to Ronan Ferro in the movie. I have a new award to give out. You fucked. In Picking Knits? Yeah, but I think this is a new award we could carry over. It's the Michael Rooker and Cliff Hanger. What the fuck are you mad about a word to JP's mom? What does she mad at Sonny for? Yeah. Her fucking son, Audible, then played. You don't know what happened. Crashed. She's no what happened. She's yelling at Sonny. He tells her later. Yeah, I know, but come on. He tells her later what has she's no what happened. It's like, it's actually like, isn't all that stuff on radio and recapture. Wouldn't anybody be like, hey, Sonny's mom, like Sonny actually, well, she didn't get to the radio. She's not a part of the team. Yeah, but don't they broadcast that shit on television? I don't know. Listen, Sonny just decided. He's like, yo, yeah, somebody's got to be like, yo, Sonny had tried to tell him to wait and he didn't. Michael Rooker's still the worst one though. What do you mad at Gabe for? He's climbing out a line to save your dumb ass girlfriend or shouldn't have been hiking. You're a co-fanger guy. Yeah, co-fanger guy, I like it. Come on. 1993, Sonny. When they do the flashback, come on. We have better special effects than this. We spend 300 million on the movie and it looks like Brad Pitt wearing a wig. He looks like he's wearing Wayne's world's the old Garth wig. Yes. It's just bad. I wanted more realistic. I sent you guys the 1984 Dallas Grand Prix on YouTube for this entirety. And it is really crazy to go back and watch like how bad the TV coverage of that was because there's so much time. We're like, oh, there's a crash. You guys can't see it. Because we only have two camera brands yet. And this is like some dude hobbling out of his car. He's like, oh, that was that was terrible. But I don't think we caught that. But if you did, it's like poker games should have been way better. Here's a really good nitpick. So Sonny gets out of the hospital in Las Vegas. And the investor comes to see him. He's like, I thought I'd catch you. Sonny's van is in Las Vegas. Why is Sonny's van in Las Vegas? Is he just driving around in a van to all these tournaments? How did it get there? He's fine. No, I mean, he's been in Europe. Yeah, he's flying around with the crew. How does his van get into Las Vegas? What is his trailer get around all these places? That's a great nitpick. Because Bardem picks him up in Florida. And is like, here's the first class ticket. Theoretically, Sonny drove his car to Nevada and put it in a parking lot. And then a parking lot with no other cars. It's just bizarre. Yeah, you just be getting in like an Uber. Right. Because at some point, he's globetrotting so much that the van has to be like an afterthought. And then the, I just don't think you can hop in an F1 car after a 30-hour flight from Abu Dhabi when you have a metal rod in your back. No, I just know it. I would also say one of my picking nets is I think F1 cars, to me, drive way too fast so that if you're having like double vision or any kind of cognitive problem while you're driving them, you're just dead. You're fucked. Yeah. Like, your kid's like, oh man, I can't see Max. He's like, I'm a bad guy. Sequel prequel prestige TV all black cast are untouchable. Too soon to say. I would go, but probably sequel. Sequel for sure. 90s prequel of Rubin and Sonny in the earlier days of of F1 prequel. Yeah. Austin Butler, sonny. F minus one. F minus one. Yes. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trea, Mad Dog Russo, Dorisburg, Buffalo, Bill St. Jackson? No, the rest of the crew. Wolfram Brimley and the firm. What do you have to say? Will you do a little bit of Mad Dog for us? You want some Mad Dog talking to Cavendish? I was going to do a little Herb Street. Oh, yeah. Oh. Yeah. Herb Street NFL Herb Street. NFL Do in the game. Let's hear it. After the crash, in the final scene, when JP crashes with, I think, Louis Hamilton. And then Sonny's going for that last lap in Herb Street. Halfway through the lab goes, Oh, I think he can win this. He might take home the checkered flag. Oh, do you think Herb Street Michaels last day with the Seahawks ribs gave her like, what the fuck? We actually haven't got a game on her yet. Herb Street didn't realize they were going for the two-point conversion until they're on the 10-yard line. Michael Owl is out of it. It was just brutal. No, Owl is out of it. Owl missed that. Oh, that was a long game for Owl. I love Owl. I know. Four hours is a lie. Owl is fucked. Owl was like, oh, it touched him. Okay. Spoken and Koei's got it. I mean, that was the most exciting NFL game we're probably ever going to have on Thursday night. Out of Campbell, he's scored. Okay, let's go. If we had Kevin Harlan on that game, he'd be dead. They'd be like scraping a man in the seat. Did you have a, you have some mad dog or no? No, I was just, I wanted to, you're the better mad dog. Yeah. What would mad dog be mad at in this movie? Just cue me up. That fact, like, you know, I can't race it. Mons, I want to trade it. They would change the tires, Mike. You can't go hard, soft hot. He's like, here's Apex going through seven drivers. Is that a 51 year old sunny bunch? Just one Oscar who gets it. Probably the editing. Right, the cinematography. I had the guy who edited the cameras. Yeah, well, yeah. So what is the camera thing going around? I don't think cinematography. Yeah, okay. Probably an answer for a question. I brought this up earlier, but is this movie better if Javier Bardem is dressed like Anton Shiger the entire time? That's true. Yeah. Just every scene, he's just dressed like that guy in all black with the bull haircut. It's sunny, Auntie, it's sunny, a little bit racist in this movie. I didn't get it, but he's a whiff of racist. Like, there was like a line when he's just like, we just call that a participation trophy. I don't think so. I don't think that he is. I think he's probably, clearly was a fuck up that had like some skeletons that's caused it, but I never got that from him. This is Van's 2026 podcast. We're launching where we go. It's sunny. He's famous movie characters. Our hero man tries to decide if there's a whiff of racist. Who do we start with? Start with Superman. Oh, Jack Nicholson, Colonel Jessup. Oh, shit. Kiefer is super racist and just all the characters and few good men just go through the whole cast. They're also all anti-Semitic. They're all like Mr. Weinberg. You Lieutenant Weinberg. He hates them. Yeah, he's really quite random. What piece of memorabilia would you want, or not want from this movie? But he got the helmet. And a part of, so the helmet is good. The helmet is good. Maybe the wreckage from one of the cars. Yeah, but I wouldn't want. What I wouldn't want is the fucking card. I don't like people who throw cards. The deck of cards. That's what I was going to get you. No. Sonny's watch. It's a good one. Watch is a good one. Trailer would be good. The only other thing was that racing magazine that they docked in. Oh, yeah. That would be good. That would be a good one. That would be a great one. Could look at right behind Van. Coach Finstack will wear a best life lesson. It's never too late to not be the best that never was anymore. That's very wise. I have create your own bricks. Best double feature choice. I have dip your dip your pin in the company ink. It might work out. What? It worked out? We've seen it. It worked out. You know what, that is an office romance that worked out. It worked out. It worked out. It worked through. It should come back. It was a mess lesson. Okay. Double feature. I'm going great and free. The John Freaking High movie from 66. I got to go days of thunder. Days of thunder was my favorite race in movie before this. I think this is not my favorite days of thunder because of the rock hammer. There you go. And then who won the movie? Brad Pitt or F1. I'm really Joe Kaczynski. Joe Nolan? Kaczynski. I was going Brad. But that's probably the answer. Brad is the easy answer. I think that's probably the answer. Because this means more for Kaczynski. Did it does for Brad? I don't think the Russo brother is good at it. Like there's, you could fuck this movie up. Yeah. He's the best at it. I think the answer is Brad Pitt. Because a little bit of a rocky last 10 years for Brad to say the least. And then once upon a time pulled him out of it a little bit. But I think you need it one more. Yeah. Now I feel like he's bad. He's back and nobody talks about. Not as Brad. The field stuff with Brad. Jesus. Yeah, we need to give him tonight. Not as Brad do because because this is going on to do my army vice. Does Brad like hitch his wagon to Kaczynski now and like try to get more films with him? He's doing an ever burger movie and something else. But I think they'll make F2 before it's too late. Yeah. Before Brad gets too late. He's going to be like he's 62 right there. There is a world for him to be like off out of the car. I mean, he could be in the movie and sell it. And they could be damson versus. He could be the guy who runs the team. Yeah, he could be the guy who runs the team or if. If they want to make damson because damson. And to me has a trajectory that's out of his world, like a trajectory to read franchise for damson, something like that for damson. And it's perfect for him because he's, you know, English and it's a cosmopolitan worldwide for him. He got for it. He was not English. Who damson? Yeah. God forbid we got to win. The Americans. Yeah. It's just a bigger thing for them, but like for British, we get some more wins in America. Sonny one. He won the rest. He took it from. Yeah. You can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't take it in our parts. Okay. Oh, that's what I mean. When I saw you guys, Bill Berk trailer, it was like blunt and Joshua Connor pretending to be American. I was like, fucking had it. We've 50 states. So can't, can't be only, can you, a million people here? It only bothers me and we've had this conversation on, it only bothers me when it's like, I don't know, fucking David, David yellow, I'll play Martin Luther King Jr. Yeah. It's like a. Daniel, you'll play Fred Hampton, all of these guys are fantastic brothers, great actors. But we do need, at some point coming up now, like, Leroy Jenkins Jr. is Jesse Jackson. Right. We do need at least one, like Cynthia Reeveau, Harriet Tubman, everybody's the same, no separation. We all cool. We're together. But just give me like, Darius Washington is mega efforts. Just give me one. All right. I need one. Jalen Thomas, just one of them, you know, Coleman Domingo did Bayon Russ and all of that. So that's the only thing for a while I was getting a little spooky. Okay. Okay. Let's take our corners back. Yeah. Okay guys. Thanks to how, thanks to Craig who's not here today. Thanks to Eduardo. Thanks to Eduardo. Yeah. That was our last one of 2020. Do you want to tease what the next thing is? No. Well, we have a special episode next week. Yeah. I don't want to tease it though. What do you think? What was the best movie we did in 2025? The best movie or the best part? What was the one you were the happiest we did? Well, I have to think about it. I mean, honestly, it's like the reasons you buy us, but high fidelity. Well, I was good. Interesting. Yeah. I was. Because of Mahoney. You wouldn't know. I forgot to give them the hottest take. You're on the hoodie. Yeah. Yeah. Um, in turn the whole grunge, grunge universe against him. That take piss a lot of people. I know off. That's all I have to say, George, too, for me, my favorite one, just because the movie is just crazy. Well, it's Halloween too. Halloween too is nuts. Like, I got to get by the car. Yeah. It's like so fucking hysteria. That was really fun. That had three. It was fun. We do a lot of good ones this year. All right. Thanks, man. Thanks, Sierra. All right, thanks, man.