EXPLOSIVE Jared Kushner Allegations, Shawn Ryan Drama & Lindsey Graham SHOCKER | Julian Dorey

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Just the Apollo month. Right. So you were you were targeting stores. You'd say, I mean, if they were owned by the state, don't say anything that could incriminate. All right. There is some extradition. I can go to friends. I'm innocent. He's innocent. No, Joey Dief was not in Paris throwing any Molotov cocktails just to be clear. That is a joke. But very interesting little uprising going on there that had a lot of other stuff injected into what the original whole thing was supposed to be. So we'll talk about that today. Because obviously you and I went to Paris last December. Had a great experience there. Had a lot of thoughts on that. But I think there are some, shall we say, economic models around the world that are trending in similar directions when you look at not just the economics but the demographics behind those economics that are leading to anger and unrest. And then things are allowed to get out of control as a result of that. So we'll go through that. And guys, just a quick note. We did not end up getting to the Paris story in totality today. So if that's still a thing next week, we'll cover it then. Just didn't want to blue balls you back to the episode. Of course, we got to come back to our friendly on black. So Marissa Hanson actually shot out to Marissa. Hit me up on Twitter and pointed me to a story I was unaware of from 2023 that reached a dead end after the Senate allegedly got interested in questioning him back then. And so we'll go through that. Several other things on here as well. Just a lot going on this week. So we'll get through what we can. But I do want to say something just because I've had a million people hit me up about something that's completely not my business. So I just want to put that out there. And then we're going to move on. I have no insight into this whole Sean Ryan liafiles thing going on. I don't know Leah at all. Sean Ryan was a really good guy to me in the past. Like he was on my show three and a half years ago. I have not spoken with him on the phone in three years. In the past, I've referred to him on podcasts as a friend. Nothing against him at all. It would probably not be accurate for me to do that at this point because you really have to talk with someone and be involved with them for them to be your friend. So I don't have any insight into what's going on there. Obviously, wish them both the best. My thought here has always been when we recorded an episode, we fucking put it out. And then you don't deal with this problem. Like it's it's really, really that simple. There is only one episode we've ever done that didn't go out and it was at the guest request for something unrelated to the podcast. That's it. So like I just don't I just don't do that. And I think that's why you run into these issues to where then people have a lot of questions. Like why didn't you want to release it? Or whatever. So that's just how I do things. How he does things is up to him. He's one of the biggest podcasts in the world. He can do what he wants to do. But I don't know anything. I'm not talking with anyone on the team over there. Who I do know. It's not my business. So I'm going to leave it at that. And we're going to move on. But yeah, actually, if I almost forgot to tell you, yeah, there was there was some really big news this week that I know it's going to be a shock to you. What are you ready for this? I hope so. You're going to be hearing you're going to be hearing about it for the first time. Okay. Lindsey Graham was gay. You're kidding. I know Lindsey Graham. I know, I know. I had no idea. I mean, I wait, whatever your life decisions are. We love the gays, but like Lindsey Graham. No, man, of course. Just, I mean, when I said, that's, I would look at him and I'm like, that's a fucking man. That's a, well, if you looked at his Steven Seagal. That's right. That's right. If you looked at his voting record, he definitely wanted you to believe he was a very, very straight man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. God-fearing man. Very God-fearing man. Not fearing enough. Not really. Not so much. Do we have that video? I put a link down there. It's probably on like page five or page six right there. But there is, I guess like a documentary that I think Jank Younger was involved with. I want to say, and like the Young Turks, which obviously Senator Lindsey Graham is now deceased as of a few months ago, but they were reporting first-person stories in this documentary from male sex workers who had engaged in acts with Lindsey Graham while he was still with us here on this earth. You know, to kind of put, I guess the finishing touches on what we already knew. To put the nail in the coffin some would say. At least I wasn't going to go there. That seemed a little loud. I know. I can tell that you avoided it. But there was also reaction like within the right wing. Like, oh, this is the October surprise for a dead guy. Everyone knew this. Well, I didn't just say that at some point. You know what I mean? Like embracing. Yeah, I didn't embrace some lives alive. He could have used a little unity. I think it was certainly had some self-loathing going on there. Obviously, we've seen stories leaked on this for years. And even right after he died, there was that one transsex worker who told a very detailed visual story and had the text receipts of a 2015 encounter. You know, like he appeared to have this kind of thing. The reason that this is relevant. Because I don't give a shit what people do behind closed doors. Like, you know, go live your life for whatever. It's always a little relevant when it's someone engaging in stuff that they directly vote against and speak out against. Because it makes them a hypocrite. That's that's the first problem, right? That's actually the least of your problems though here. The bigger problem is that especially when you are, oh, I don't know, a Republican senator from South Carolina. The, you know, probably is a little more old school, right? You probably don't want people knowing this kind of thing. You don't, you don't want to be out and about and out and proud, even if it is painfully obvious because you've been a lifelong bachelor and never in a relationship with a woman or never seen with a woman in any way. You know, so when that's the case, and you are then doing things as blatantly, and let's just say, trying to find the right words here. If you're doing things as blatantly and commonly as Lindsey Graham appeared to be doing in very vulnerable positions, you leave yourself very open to something we call blackmail, which obviously is a topic that we unfortunately always have to cover stories on on the show because people just love getting video-doing things. Yeah, where they love putting themselves in positions to get videos to do things. And in some cases, as it apparently was claimed in this documentary, Lindsey Graham was voluntarily doing the videoing. Right. So, you know, some of these brave sex workers. Yeah, I'd say they're brave. Brave that came out after he's dead to talk about this, mentioned that, you know, like one of them mentioned at one point that he was concerned that the video material was going to be used. A for Lindsey Graham's own pleasure, which he felt uncomfortable with, and B for potentially being passed around two friends. Other senators. Other senators, perhaps, Joey Deef. And you know what? Don't forget the congressman. Oh, yeah. Don't forget, there's like 430 some of those. Oh, yeah. Let's not forget that. Oh, yeah. I know what's going on down there in DC, but well, let's run the tips. You guys need a little preview. There's a couple great videos. I do want to run for you floating around, but this video get banned off YouTube if I do. So you're going to have to go find those on X. But this is the first one right here. Hey, guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. My name is Kelvin. I'm a sex with Lindsey Graham as a minor. As a minor, that's awesome. I had sex with Senator Lindsey Graham. I am Jesse. And I had sex with Lindsey Graham. He just said, okay, I think we're done here. We're done here. I need you to go get dressed. He's like the $120 your payment is on the rafter that basically where my coat was hung. I didn't notice it before. Yeah, when I got over there suddenly it was there and I got dressed. He's like it's over there and he's referring to like A stack of cash like your payment. He doesn't hand it off to me. It's just sitting on the desk. I guess it's paying well to be a center. Wait for it. Oh, like do you want to like have a dream? Do you want to do anything else? He came out of the bathroom, put the remainder of his clothes on and then paid me with $200 bills and $320 bills and you'd get $260. $260 and my rate was $250. I did not have change on me for the 20. So I just kept the rest. After I left the hotel, you know, like I said, the demeanor of like, you know, this is like somebody from another class and I was like that accent. I'm in DC and you know, my brain is putting pieces together and I'm like, I want to hear who this is. I didn't want to be recorded. I didn't want mine. Oh, the minor was the one being recorded. Oh, that's even worse. That's actually really afraid of where that footage would go. I felt like the video that he was trying to take would be used for personal gratification or used for his buddies. I'm afraid that that people in power have a collection of videos and I was being added to this collection. Does that make you mad? Does that make America mad? Is that what your elected officials are supposed to be doing? I don't think so. I agree. I think that we need to hold elected officials to a higher standard. There you go. Five Valentine's days. Five Fourth of July's. Five Halloween's. Five Thanksgiving's. And five summers that go by too fast. Cox, a step ahead requires two gig speeds and gig unlimited mobile taxes and fees excluded from price lock mobile data speeds reduced after 20 gigs. She's got a breakaway. She's all alone. She's going. She's going. Oh no, wrong goal, kiddo. It's chaos out there. Their stomachs don't have to be introducing cultural kids probiotics plus electrolytes. Sugar-free, more hydrating than water alone from the number one pediatrician recommended brand. Youth Soccer is never boring, but your kid's stomachs should be cultural probiotics. The science of a boring gut. See website for details. Yeah, that's even where I didn't realize that from the first time around that it was it was the one specifically who was underage who also might note he paid less. And like and now like I don't know anything about that guy, but if those claims are to be believed, obviously they're his claims that he's making, you know, pretty crazy. Yeah, that's also like extra dark that he'd be doing that with someone who's underage who's clearly being taken advantage of as an underage sex worker as well clear that mean obviously. Yeah. And then, you know, to potentially pass it around, it's like when people make claims today that a bunch of these people that get into these positions of power need to have some sort of selection to the club is having the worst kind of compromise on them, meaning you're targeting types of individuals who have certain dark predilections already. When people make those arguments and then you see things like this with someone who is in office for fucking three decades, you see why maybe there's a basis to those arguments. Does that mean it's every single person? No, it does not. You have to bring evidence to things. And like I would also to be fair, you know, I'd like to see also some receipts. I'm sure these guys have them. I've not seen the full documentary, but yeah, I mean, if you know anything about Lindsey Graham, obviously the fucking math is math in here like this, this makes it on a sense. The fact that that would be covered up so blatantly, you know, it's not surprising at all, but it's very sad. Yeah. I like how the guy who got paid 260 hit us with the moral compass at the end, six, this is what everyone wants. Right. This is how you want your politics. Is this what you want to be? I'm usually 250. He gave me 260. That's right. $10 on the taxpayer. I think we should hold him to a higher standard. That's right. Higher standard. 600. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty crazy. Absolutely. Right. So happy trails to Lindsey Graham. All right. I guess we never knew the lady lens, but yeah, the reaction that was was pretty well. And I don't know. Did I mention the Kushner thing out front? I don't think I did. No, I don't think so. Okay. We're going to be talking about that in several minutes here. There was a big story on Jared Kushner that came out. I've reviewed that extensively. It's from a forthcoming book that will be out. I believe on the 27th this Tuesday. And it's a little different from other stories. Obviously, we've covered Jared Kushner extensively in here. I think Jared Kushner's dirty as they come. I think he's in all likelihood an awful, awful human being to say nothing of the fact that he clearly has no talent at anything. You know, other than being somewhat of a con man. But I think even that is just because he's placed in those positions by nepotism. Either way, you know, this story, when we go through the details of it, there's some things I'm going to need to see particularly in the bibliography of that book. And in the response of the author that I'll go through to what he has been asked to prove about what he found. So we're going to get there in a few. But let's talk about Leon Black. Okay. So as I said, Marissa Hanson pointed me to this 2023 story based on things that happened in the 2010s related to Epstein and Leon Black involving what's called a 1031 exchange, which is now illegal. At the time that it occurred between Leon Black and Jeffrey Epstein, it was illegal. There's, yeah, so deep has this up a 1031 exchange named after section 1031, the US Internal Revenue Code allows real estate investors to sell a business or investment property and defer capital gains, state income, net investment and depreciation recapture taxes by reinvesting the proceeds into a like kind replacement property. Let me pull that back into English for you. If I have an investment property like I don't know an art piece and I sell it for 10 bucks to someone else, they give me the 10 bucks and immediately and like right then in the same tax year, I turn around and take that 10 bucks and add five to it. We're just the regular 10 and buy another piece of art. If on the initial transaction of $10, I made $9, meaning I'd initially bought it for a dollar and then later sold it for 10, that $9 of taxable gain is now not taxable because I immediately reused the money and put it into another piece. The art industry as an aside note here is one of the most fascinating black holes to me and it's something that I don't, I still to this day don't know much about. It is so confusing and in some cases seems very, very dark but it is one of the ultimate money laundering operations on the face of this planet and there are, I forget what they're called, but there are places like craves and stuff. Yeah, but yeah, exactly. Deves point out the auction houses, which are their own kind of black hole in certain ways, very relevant, but there's even these places, I forget what they call them, called like transit centers or something. They're not called that, but that's essentially like kind of describing what they are. They're basically like think of storage units for really, really rich people to temporarily hold stuff that can't be seen so it can't be accounted for and audited by any governments anywhere. So if I'm a resident of the United States and I'm trying to do some sort of weird money laundering transaction that involves some potential less than legal type things, I may fly over to Europe to sell an art asset that no one knows where it is because I haven't told it. It's not like on a money ledger at a bank or something like that. I haven't told people where it is. And when I agree to this fucking deal in, I don't know, a restaurant in Paris, I may say to the buyer like, yeah, I got a transit station in fucking Switzerland or in Monaco or something like that. And it's this highly securitized giant storage unit type place. But again, like with bazookas and James Bond type shit, we're somewhere in there. This piece of art is being held temporarily so that where the transaction actually switches and takes place, it can't be tracked like in what country it's happening and stuff like that. So they're they're able to, it's stuff so far above you were in my pay grade that like they are taken into account taxable type events that would occur in a transaction like this that would never even occur to us to take into account. Very, very interesting thing. And there's a podcast that I've been working on for a while. I'm not going to say specifically what it's about. But it involves getting a couple people in here. We've been working on it talking to them for like a year and they want to do it. That is at the middle of some major art deals and that involve all this stuff, including like whatever these statewide stations are or whatever the fuck they're called and multiple transactions on the same pieces and serious, serious money and serious serious players that got involved very, very quietly. So I hope to make that happen early next year with that podcast, but I'm going to be learning a lot there when I talk with those guys. So back to what this transaction with Leon Black and Jeffrey Epstein was, there's an article I have there, deep underneath there. It's not this one. It's not that tweet. It's this artillery man. Yes, that's exactly right. So this is from artillery mag, the art brief by Stephen Goldberg in January 2024. All right, and it's called the curious case of collector Leon Black. Let's go down. So I get the details here. Do, do, do, do, do. In January 2023, Black paid $62.5 million to the US Virgin Islands to settle claims relating to Black's involvement with Epstein. He had visited Epstein's private island in the Virgin several times. The islands had threatened a lawsuit against Black for facilitating Epstein's nefarious operations by paying millions to his company's chartered there for tax advice. And he decided to settle for 62.5 million, which is not a, even for a wealthy guy like that, that is not a small sum. Why would Leon Black settle with a small foreign government for that much money to get them to shut the fuck up if he had nothing to hide? He wouldn't is the answer, right? He would never fucking settle that. You'd be like, I'll see your ass in court. So then it mentions obviously what we've known for a long time, which is that between 2012 and 2017, Epstein paid $158 million. It's been reported differently. And I was even looking at this when I was regoing through this different articles and different places over the years report is $158 million or $170 million paid to Jeffrey Epstein between those years for tax advice. But as this article, if you just go up real quick, yeah, as this article correctly points out, it's an astonishing amount for quote tax advice, no law form or accounting company in the world charges an individual anything near those fees for tax consultation, which is another thing we've talked about in the past as it relates to Leon Black with these expenses because I kind of wondered about that. Like, okay, I could see if Epstein was making them all kinds of money with all these loopholes and maybe there were, would be a way to make it sense. But that seems like a really hard case to make. That seems like a lot of fucking money, even for a guy worth $13 billion. Like to pay that kind of fee, I would think you wouldn't be seeing something like that unless you were literally like on that Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos type, well, level, perhaps. And even that, I don't know because I don't know how that works. Is it going to be a percentage or a flat fee? That's a percentage it would probably be something like that. If it's a flat fee, maybe not. Yeah. No, it sounds like too much money. And it does sound like too much money. Now let's go down. So in July 2023, the Senate Finance Committee investigating sophisticated tax schemes used primarily by the top 1% to avoid payment in billions of taxes, sent a 16 page letter. Means they're serious. To Leon Black, asking him to provide responses and documents to numerous questions. One of the committee's key inquiries was whether Black originally deducted the 158 million he paid to Epstein, who advised Black that he could do so. And if it should have been classified as a gift subject to taxation, that's another thing I'd look through when I look through how these guys do ultra high network taxes. And it just confuses me so much what they can call a gift, how they give a gift, how they set it up in trust that are related to gifts or not related to gifts, how they put it through multiple accounts and then call it a gift. They have the whole gift thing for all my accounts out there. If you want to help out in the comments and describe different ways and schemes that they do this, you know, for like a five-year-old to understand, that would be really fucking helpful. Because it, you know, when I worked on Wall Street, you know, we weren't the accounts. I don't know shit about fuck. Well, the only thing I know is from Shawshank, when Andy Dufrein, he's like, remember, he helps the one guard do that tax gift and he gets everyone beers because of it when he's carrying the roof. Yes. It's like you can give an individual up to $10,000 and it's not deductible. Whatever it is. Yeah. Chump change as these people would say here. Yes, seriously. Ashtray money. That's nothing. Yes. So, Dechard also found that Black had used a loophole in the IRS code to avoid more than two billion in gift and real estate taxes and conveying assets to his children through grats. Granner retained a new-ity trust. Complex devices which allowed Black to retain income for a trust, from a trust while placing it in trust for his heirs. Epstein, neither a lawyer nor a CPA, claimed to Black that he'd invented a proprietary method for setting up grats. Dude, Hefe was moving. Not a lawyer, not a CPA. He had motion. He had motion. Bad guy had motion. In addition, Black availed himself of another tax avoidance device at 1031 exchange. Here it is, which was originally devised under the tax code to permit delayed payment of capital gain taxes on like kind sales and purchases of commercial real estate until the IRS nicks them for personal property in 2017. So, I believe that means it still exists for real estate. I think that's what that means. Yeah, it does. What it was is they took away personal, like personal property, it doesn't count as property now. So, art is included. So until they nixed it in 2017, a 1031 exchange was also used to shelter like kind exchanges of artwork from capital gains. The main advantage of the 1031 was that the collector could buy and sell and avoid paying capital gains taxes for years. The 1031 requires a third party to qualify the transaction as quote unquote arms length. This past October, the New York Times reported on a 1031 exchange designed and executed by Epstein for Black. On November 23, 2016, Black sold a jacomedi sculpture for 25 million to the Hayes Trust controlled by Epstein who was not known to be an art collector. And on the same day, a company controlled by Black bought a shazanne painting for 30 million using the same proceeds of the jacomedi sale. The Times uncovered the fact that in the day before the sale, Epstein had wired money from a larger account, the Southern Trust, which is a famous account of his that's been referenced in a lot of different investigations, to the Hayes Trust. The Southern Trust was a vehicle that Epstein used to collect fees paid to him by Black, meaning he's literally using Leon Black's money to then pay for Leon Black's art. So it's double dealing because he gets to like front the money to pay for his own shit that he can then put into other shit at a higher fucking rate without paying capital gains. So it would appear to be a self-dealing transaction. However, Black's use of Chicago deferred exchange company, which specializes in providing third party services for 1031 exchanges and which created the companies in the transaction, may provide him with some covers. There anything more here down there? Hefe. Okay. So a similar transaction between Black and Epstein involving a Bronx and another shazanne was also identified by the Times, while the paper says that both the Jacometti and the Brock were sold at auction in 2017, it could not identify the sellers or buyers. Much of the Senate Finance Committee's demand for detailed information from Black is still outstanding. Black's response in September to the Committee's July letter were found to be largely inadequate. Hopefully the chairman, Senator Ron Wyden will continue attempting to unravel the mystery surrounding the Black Epstein dealings. One of the reasons, and this is pure spec here, but one of the reasons that this may have gone nowhere is because, and I found this out for the first time today, I was unaware of this. Even before, as I understand it, the Epstein files were released. There were some released documents that involved emails or trails of emails that showed that Senator Ron Wyden's son had solicited an investment for his hedge fund from Jeffrey Epstein and had had a confirmed meeting with Jeffrey Epstein in 2016. So much so that this also missed me, and I missed this when it happened. So much so that when I believe it was Scott Bessent, when he was in his, I think, confirmation hearings, I want to say, which would have been back in 2025, at some point when he was in a hearing in front of Wyden being deposed at some point in this Trump presidency, part two. Bessent actually referenced that as a talking point back to Wyden, which was he was trying to say, you're just trying to go at other people in the Epstein files to deflect from the fact that your own son was trying to get it this guy. Now, Wyden maintains he found out about this. He did the full Trump. You're telling me this for the first time, I haven't heard this, but you know, he found out about this on social media like everyone else. Maybe that's true. Maybe it's not, but once again, why is everyone in some way or form who's in some sort of position of power, particularly around this case related to Epstein in some way or have some sort of brush in with Epstein related to them directly or indirectly in some way. I don't know. Seems to happen over and over and over again, but like prime example right here of old Jeff fucking wheeling and dealing, moving a little mula across the board and taking care of Bess for his boy Leon Black, which leads me to a second article that I found. Now, this is, I think it's an archive. I asked right there, D if yeah, if you see it. Part of like again, when you look at that 158 or 170 million that Leon Black paid him in a five-year period, there's some evidence is a strong word, but there is some circumstantial evidence that involves Jeffrey Epstein's own words. Two point to the fact that perhaps part of the reason Leon Black was paying Jeffrey Epstein was also to be an advisor in the form of being a client. clean up man for all of his sexual deviance and at the very least flandering outside of his marriage with what seemed to be a very common thread was early 20s Eastern European immigrant girls. That'll do it for him. Apparently that'll do it for him, but there are email like if if if you look at this article and the New York Times, which is long, there are emails of Epstein saying things like you know what once apparently Leon Black's wife found out about some of the flandering he was like he he told someone else he advised Leon to leave her because he thinks if he stays with her he's going to have a fucking heart attack from the stress you know and then there was another one where Epstein Mr. Black had a I'm going to start reading straight from it right here Mr. Black had a long running affair this is under secret lunch recording Steve. Mr. Black had a long running affair with a Russian woman guzzle guinea va by 2015 she was threatening to go public with allegations of sexual abuse unless he paid her 100 million that's a big she had a big target right there you got to start high. Yeah yeah yeah he's got a lot of money right you got to start high I don't blame her one bit according to the Justice Department's Epstein documents and interviews with people familiar with the claims Mr. Epstein though was here to help. Not July after the two men met Epstein drafted a menacing email that was apparently meant for Mr. Black to send to Miss Ghanieva who at her time was in her third at the time was in her 30s I felt it necessary the email said to contact some friends in FSB which be would be referring to the Russian intelligence program that was the successor to the KGB and the post Soviet Russia the message read referring to the Russian secret security service the message warned that her attempts to blackmail a US businessman would be viewed in Russia which was trying to attract Western investments as a grave threat and would be dealt with extremely harshly the message suggested that Mr. Black instead could pay her I guess this would be a meager $50,000 a month for two years all right Difflet's do a little math here 50K a month for two years that's 600K a year 1.2 1.2 millie now are they doing this as a gift is a tax free well assuming she stays in America she's going to have to figure that out she got to figure that'll probably be in the terms like listen we'll give you the cash let's be you got to figure that out your own and they said I expect to never hear a threat from you again there is no indication Mr. Black read the message which Mr. Epstein sent to himself or that it was sent to Mr. Ghanieva Mrs. Ms. Ghanieva but it became something of a playbook for Epstein in the week ahead later that month he emailed Sergei Balakayov a well-known Russian government official to request a favor he explained that Ms. Ghanieva had tried to blackmail a group of powerful business met a group of powerful business man like that Wow he actually said the B.I.Z good catch show you Diff it is bad for business for everyone involved Mr. Epstein asked if they had any suggestions Mr. Beliakov responded by leveling damaging personal allegations against Ms. Ghanieva and said limiting her access to United States would be a great threat to her business I don't know that's interesting at the time Epstein was in regular contact with Brad Carp the chairman of law firm Paul Weiss and one of Mr. Blacks most trusted advisors Mr. Epstein Mr. Carp discuss whether they could somehow block Ms. Ghanieva from the United States which she had most recently entered on a tourist visa another possibility was to enlist law enforcement because we know Jeffrey Epstein had phenomenal interactions with them obviously over the years your call on FBI or NYPD he wrote to Mr. Carp proposing the Ms. Ghanieva be arrested after Mr. Black passes her a large check grand larceny etc there is no indication they went to law enforcement at this time Mr. Epstein tracked down information about Ms. Ghanieva's whereabouts her acquaintances and even her young son it's kind of dark suggested Mr. Carp the Mr. Black and list private investigators from our Delo and co so they began running surveillance on her going after her so over meals at the four seasons lay benadine and the modern Mr. Black increased the amount of money he was offering Ms. Ghanieva while sparkling in threats about his her ending up in jail if she didn't stop threatening him so Epstein suggests raising the offer to 100,000 a month for years into the future proposal appears to carry the day the final deal struck in October 2020 2015 here it is called for Mr. Black to pay Ms. Ghanieva a total of 18 million over the next 15 years in return joy deep she signed a non disclosure agreement in which she said that allegations she made against Mr. Black were not true do you remember what Mr. Black said in response to him filing a lawsuit against congress in September when he refused to testify after promising the test there's NDAs and they can't be you know dealing with NDAs and what did he say about those NDAs and the women within them he wanted to protect the victims he wanted to protect the victims he wanted to protect these women if he didn't use the word victims though Joe D if they're not his victims that's right you want to protect these wonderful upstanding women that he just happened to out of the goodness of his heart pay millions of dollars to not disclose how much he paid them and make them sign a contract NDA to never fucking talk about it and apparently say that he did no wrong doing in return for the money he's going to give them I don't know hush money so that they would never speak about it but he's here to protect them because that's what he does damn interesting interesting so there was another one where you know Epstein had a charitable organization called gratitude America make this shit up same month is the deal with Miss Connie Eva Mr. Black and Mr. Epstein worked out an agreement of their own it involved the payment of 20 million in fees to Mr. Epstein and it appeared to be structured at least in part to avoid taxes he would pay 10 million to Epstein's primary company Southern Trust there it is but the other 10 million would be in the form of a donation to one of Epstein's charitable organizations gratitude America which until then did not have any funds gratitude America soon began dispensing the money in ways that could burnish Epstein's reputation or strengthen his ties to figures in academia and other fields as he was so grateful there were benefits for Mr. Black to Mr. Epstein's accountant Richard Khan more on him in a minute noted in an email to one of Mr. Black's advisors that a goal of the arrangement was to maximize deductions Mr. Black would be able to write off the 10 million and potentially lower his tax bill and said they were just doing this back and forth they didn't want to get audited I mean there's all up in here this article even goes into cocaine rumors which Leon Black to be clear vehemently denies he says he hasn't used drugs at the time that he said it in like 2017 or whatever he hadn't used drugs in 40 years and it was a ridiculous accusation because of course he would never do that but there were also emails that showed direct proof that there was a yoga instructor who was also Eastern European that we have it right there hi Deborah's yoga instructor instructor Lucy and can come over to Jeffrey today five 15 to six 15 Leon said he he I guess it was supposed to be she that's a typo is sensational does he want her and that was sent on July 23rd 2012 and at the time Epstein said thanks but it won't work today which means yeah it did happen eventually and yes this is another woman that apparently Leon Black the very least was going to be paying off because he had an affair with her I mean he said she was sensational yeah I've been a little pun right there it's a little more than just like the yoga with the clothes on right yeah 100 K 100 100 K's interesting is that what I ended up being yeah he would do it in 100 so she and Mr. Black have been an sexual relationship and since at least two thousand nine hundreds of thousands of dollars had flowed to her from Mr. Black's bank account but in 2017 the setup changed now Mr. Epstein would wire the money in this case a hundred thousand now the guy that we mentioned who said the middle of some of this is is the long forgotten hopefully not for long account and Richard Khan so Richard Khan do I have it under yes I do under it's actually under the lightning thing let's pause this for a second if you guys are familiar with my buddy Tommy G who makes great content on YouTube he's been on my podcast four times now and the thing about Tommy is he's got that all Shucks Milwaukee thing going on to kind of put you at ease but he's always cooking and he's always a step ahead on stories and working tirelessly to track things down and one of the things I have noticed over the years is that when I talk with Tommy and I ask him what stories he's working on because he's always working on at least five stories at a time on in the worst case scenario usually as much as 15 stories at a time though whenever I ask him what he's working on I find afterwards that I really want to key in on whatever the first thing he said was because it'll it'll almost always be something that I'm not thinking about at that time where the general public maybe isn't thinking about much and he'll do it and then suddenly big a story ever as an example he came here in June and the first thing he was talking about on that podcast of stories he was working on was this this documentary that had not been released that he had filmed on flock. I hear you. He put it out and then that became the fucking story everywhere and people started tracking what these guys had been doing and most importantly also what a bunch of other companies who were hiding beneath that wing could be doing afterwards, which is exactly what should not get lost in this story because flock is just one of many, many companies, including axon and places that have dark money behind them for sure. He was the first guy to have Captain Tzzariak in which it was like a fun, funny story from the Black Hebrew Israelites on the documentary and got him in here like a month after that came out. And then so he did that. I did my podcast with Captain T, which I put out I think January 2025 and then he started going everywhere, you know, and that became like a big thing into this day. He was on fucking every platform. But the other day I'm on our boy, Zach Fals live stream is me, Zach and Tommy talking and Zach starts asking Tommy what stories he's working on. This is like, I don't know, five days ago, six days ago, something like that. And Tommy goes, wow, I'm really, uh, I'm investigating this thing that's going on with Epstein's lawyer and account that seems to be going really under the radar. And of course, like we've covered it in here. So I'm like, oh, yeah, in DikingCon. Yeah, now it's very, very, very interesting story right there. Obviously there are client bases, particularly Richard Khan that the accountants client bases that he released to Congress and his testimony back in May has gone very under the radar. I'm like, I'm glad you're doing that. And then what do you know, Joey Deef? Two days later, we get this new mech new Mexico state attorney general Raul Torres announces charges against Jeffrey Epstein's attorney and accountant. If anyone is entitled to a recovery of Jeffrey Epstein's estate, it's the survivors. Let's roll this for a minute. In February of this year, I made a public announcement that the New Mexico Department of Justice was reopening its criminal investigation into the criminal conduct that occurred by Jeffrey Epstein and his associates at Zora Ranch for a period of nearly two decades. At the time of that announcement, I made it very clear that we were prepared to use any and every available legal tool to uncover the truth, to pursue justice and above all secure a measure of accountability that had been largely absent in Mexico's where the Zora ranchers are both the state criminal system and the federal criminal justice system. And at the heart of that commitment was something that I think is a guiding principle, not only for the prosecutors who work in this office, but for people who have been specifically engaged in crimes involving children, sexual assault victims, sexual assault survivors, and a recognition that all too often, we fail to deliver truth and accountability. For sure, okay, let's pause it right there. He goes on to talk about the fact that why he's going after these two guys, and particularly, because obviously they were involved in the trail of money and in the trail of covering up some legal stuff behind it because they so closely advised Jeffrey Epstein up until his death quite literally. So go to on him to do that, let's see if that goes anywhere, but kind of interesting. Once again, Tommy G's like a little bit over the target on something ahead of time. I haven't talked to him since that live stream, but I saw this two days ago. I'm like, God damn it. You do again. So always pay attention to like Tommy G, like that boy is on it. Before we get to Kushner, we do have to say happy trails, Joey Deef. Let's hit it. To your favorite Italian. Who's that? Paolo Zambole. This went under the radar. Paolo Zambole, who held a special envoy to the whatever the fuck of whatever the fuck basically oppressed these worldwide. If you know, you know, type position in the White House that did at least allow him to get photo apps next to JD Vance to go talk with Iran about it and in the war and shit like that. Paolo Zambole, the Italian immigrant ex modeling executive who was very good friends with Jeffrey Epstein so much so that they tried to buy a modeling agency together in the early 2000s. Paolo Zambole is out. So Paolo Zambole has been dismissed from his position at the State Department according to a U.S. official. Paolo was notified today that his status as an envoy has been terminated and he has no longer a government employee, the official said. Zambole is a longtime friend of President Trump and first introduced him to Melania. That is what has been reported. We talked about that length in the past, based on my conversations offline with Amanda Ungaro who is the mother of Paolo Zambole's child and was his partner for years and years. So the end of the tweet says long time friend of President Trump first introduced Melania the fire and comes on the heels of Politico's report about his month long few months long feud with Deputy Secretary of State Landau. Okay. Now you have the report up there, Dave. So there's a nasty email fight. This is this is what Politico put out that then Paolo was shown the door. The next day, nasty email fight between two top Trump appointees spills into the open. Look at Paolo. That mean bugger. All right. So two top appointees of President Trump included the Deputy Secretary of State have been embroiled in a months long fight that includes accusations of leaks to the media and bizarre threats of defamation all over emails that at times included more than a dozen administration officials. The conflict centers on Paolo Zambole, a personal friend of Trump's and a special envoy to the State Department and Deputy Secretary of State Christopher Landau, according to messages obtained by Politico, the email stretch over almost a year. Wow. This was this was some real old world shit, yeah. Some old world shit right here, they stretch over a year and show Zambole and Landau disagreeing over chains of command as Landau admonishes Zambole to stick to his remit on cultural issues, but not devolve into bitter arguments and unproven organization allegations. The messages stand out, not just for the personal vitriol, but because upward to 16 administration officials were included at times on the email chain. Oh, they won a black party. That's so good, dude. Administration officials were included times on the email change with the dispute at least once spilling over into communications with the top foreign official opening a window into the delicate state department back channeling to allies about apparent violations diplomatic protocol. I love it here. Wow. I love it. We're awesome. The Philippines looking at his Gmail and he's like, Oh, no, that's like what are we doing here? Oh, but you know, it couldn't happen to a better guy. Palo seems like a real winner, real winner, trust worthy, honorable, decent, upstanding business man. Yeah. Yeah. It brings total honor to all Italian Americans, especially the ones who. They found their way over here after living there as kids like like Palo, you know, American dream. American dream, the whole bit and definitely never engaged in any impropriety whatsoever, right? No. It's a Catholic. Yeah. He's a Catholic. He's a man of God. Yeah. Come on. It's a man of God. You ain't doing nothing with that kind of guilt. I'll tell you first thing. First thing. First thing. Nothing with it. But I have not called Amanda about this. I kind of want to. You should, dude. I think I think Amanda listens to the show. So maybe she's hearing this saying, give me a shot. But I feel like she'd take a little victory lap right now. Totally. Right. And I think that's well deserved. I, you know, I don't like to get involved in interrelationship issues, but when the interrelationship issue involves like an Epstein buddy who had his, you know, wife arrested by ex partner of 20 years of mother of his kid arrested by ice and then later deported as a result. Yeah. As an end result, you know, because she was inconveniencing him. Yeah. You know, I feel like that's a little karma right there. Yeah. You know what, though, Joey, maybe he can go back to be the ambassador of the oceanic, whatever the fuck for the nation of Domenico, which I know he's very passionate about and certainly a real citizen of and goes too often and cares every bit about all the people that live there in a country that you and I had never heard of until we heard about that role, right? Yeah. It's crazy because I would think people like this, like, for him, why don't you just go back to Italy and ride off into the sunset? I know. Like what do you, like, you've stolen and made all this money and done all the, like, go back to Positano. Yeah. Find yourself a fucking, you know, 30-year-old beautiful Italian broad, you know, get a little villa on the cliff, you're getting fucking house help there, probably cost nothing compared to what you're paying in Grammarcy Park. Right. And go out in the sunset. Do your lucky Luciano. You got away with it, congrats, like, you got away with it, go enjoy yourself like enough. I'm not condoning what you did or what, excuse me, and Joey, Dave, we got to be legally fair here. What you allegedly did. Yes, allegedly. I'm not condoning it. I don't like it. In fact, you can get the fuck out of my country. But like, you know, I'll buy guns, be by guns. If you're a history, I'll move on. How about that? There's 12 months over an email, I mean, it's like, it really is Veep in real life. It is, we are living in Veep. a 12 month long email few that had a foreign leader involved on the chain, it's just-- - Yeah, that doesn't get better. - The four day wonder, what the fuck was her name, the blonde lady? She's got cooked. - Oh, yeah. - Zachariah? - Yes, yes, I was saying it's a carrier last week. It shows you how short her name was. Didn't even have time to learn her name. - She did good, she did good. - But, you know, it's funny, as you said that, I Googled the four day wonder, and it brought up a fat diet. (laughing) - So, I have it on the Google Doc right there. You see that screenshot? - Yeah, let me find this. - From the mooch. So, apparently Anthony Scaramucci, who was always measured is like, how long would a press secretary laugh? How, last, how many Scaramucci's? 'Cause he only lasted 10 days in Trump's first term before he was fired. So, he was tweeting like three days into her reign. She will make it. And there's a community note on there. This is why you got it right there. So, if you scroll down to the community note, it just says she did not make it. (laughing) But, there was also the first article right there, just while we're on this quick side. So, why appear Joey Deef? Caroline Levit, the previous press secretary, responded to this. And I just want to read between the lines here. It sounds like there was some little bit cat fighting behind the scenes, because listen, listen to this quote, Joey Deef. She goes down and she says, "We wish Katie the best. "The job obviously was not for her, "but we wish her, here it is, Joey Deef. "We wish her and her family well." - I love it. - She hit her with the obviously this wasn't for her. - And that's it. - And though we wish her well. - Yep. And her family. - Yeah. Now, the good news for Katie is that because she's not in the spotlight anymore, and she's moved back out to LA, she is able to go back to normal life and with the right sunglasses and coverings, not, you know, not drawing attention to herself. So she went incognito to get a coffee this week. Let's get a good look at that, Joey Deef. This is Katie Zachariah getting a coffee. She was so close. She was so close. And then the hat, kind of a dead giveaway. You got a 45-47 with a big gold make America grade again on the front. That kind of takes away the hoodie, the sunglasses, the hair down, the hat brim low, and the yoga pants to kind of say, maybe this is the lady you just got fired, right? - Yeah, I mean, listen, I gotta give it to these people. They're, they got confidence, man. I mean, you just got, you didn't even make it a full business week. You're right, four days, you got asked, she's in LA too. And then you're just popping out in LA, looking like that. Like she's, obviously she's feeling good. - She's doing the lair day. - She is. - Yeah, yeah, she is. She really is. - She's doing the wear the hat in LA so people don't fall in love. - Yeah, 'cause she wants the coffee shop to herself. She's got to do job interviews. - Oh my God. Oh, that's so good. - That's good stuff. - Well, we, we do wish her all the best. - Oh, her, her hot beverage was from Aerohorn. - Oh, Aerohorn, come on. - Good for her. That's 30 bucks. - Wow. They're paying press secretaries pretty good in four days. Although I don't know how it's been like a business guy. - Yeah, and she got a little foot. Oh, she's also a Chinese lawyer. - He is a Chinese lawyer, I can't forget that. - Remember? - She is a Chinese lawyer. - She passed it in China for sure. So don't go back to what I have. We're gonna go through questioner right before that. Joey Dief, we did promise this. So let's do it and give people the download. Joey Dief and I did go see prime time. The movie based on Chris Hanson. - Yes. - With Robert Pattinson, directed by Lance Oppenheim. We saw that one a couple weeks ago now. - Yeah, two or three weeks ago, I wouldn't say. - So I'm gonna let Dief give his thoughts and unabated in a sec to start off with what my takeaways were. First of all, I'm a big Robert Pattinson fan. He should probably get some sort of award for it. The impersonation was unbelief approach. He crushed it like it was very entertaining and he played an exaggerated version as well. Of Chris Hanson, so it was like some of it was hilarious and like the things he would say and the acts he would do and stuff like that. So like on that one hand, it was that was really impressive and the movie itself was entertaining. Was it the most entertaining movie I've ever seen? No. Do I think the new like filmmaking style where everyone's trying to do like the safty brothers uncut gems or Marty Supreme is like the best trend? No, you know, where they got the constant, you know, schizophrenic in the background and moving shots all the time and then make everything just giant anxiety written. It worked for those two movies that the safty brothers made because they're literal, by the way, uncut gems, which I really like and and Marty Supreme, great movies like both of them. They're the same movie. They're too completely out of their mind, anxiety-ridden guys going through something crazy in their life. One is just driven by addiction and the other is driven by ambition. And so with Chris Hanson, they decided to film this movie in a way where it's a very similar style and like if every movie starts getting made that way, I'm gonna get a little annoyed. Nonetheless, it was entertaining. That said, one of the things I said the thief when we walked out of theater is, I do think it's the wrong movie for the wrong time. They did start producing this in 2024 before some of obviously the big stories this year happened that are related to Epstein and people being extremely obviously righteously so incensed and outraged at the level of pedophilia in the world. And so making a film that does poke fun at a guy who, you know, Chris obviously has been on the show. Great guy. He is definitely memeable. He is definitely entertaining. He is definitely funny all these things. But like kind of taking him down in a way when he's been a guy who for over two decades has been a pedo hunter, not the best messaging. But what I was saying to the thief when we walked out of theater after that was my first thought is I said, I do wonder whether I would have agreed with the interpretation of Chris Hanson or not. I do wonder if this movie came out in 2017 instead of in 2026 if I would be saying that same thing as strongly versus instead just saying, well, they were just making a parody of Chris Hanson. I don't know. What was odd and little spoiler alert here so skip the next 30 seconds if you don't want to know this. But the ending of the movie was stupid. And maybe inadvertently, I hope inadvertently sent the wrong message because it involved a sting with a pedo who then unalived himself. And the guy was a stone-cold pedo and a powerful guy who was a DA in Texas. And so I'm sitting there wondering like am I supposed to feel bad that the guy unalived himself after trying to do unspeakable things to a 13 year old boy? 'Cause I certainly don't feel bad. I'd look, I'd like the guy to see justice. I don't ever necessarily root for someone to do that kind of thing. But like, what are they trying to make me feel there? I thought that was odd. I also do believe like everyone was saying, and we've talked about it before, but that NDA, the Chris Hanson refused to sign with A24 when he went to go see the film early at their location in New York. You know, and they were trying to say, well, it's a standard NDA, everyone signs. There were things in there that, even if it is a standard NDA for anyone who's just gonna see the fucking film early, would sign, there were things in there that if you're Chris Hanson who the movie is fucking based on, they use his name, they use his show, they use the real people with real names from his show who were making it, and they did all of it without consulting him or showing them the script or getting his side to take on things. Yeah, you might wanna reserve the right, depending on the outcome, to be able to sue or to be able to say, hey, like I'm not okay with certain things. I think I agree with Chris on that. So that was the wrong way for them to go about it, but there's been this argument online where people are like, oh, this movie was like defending pedos, I didn't get that. I did not get that. Again, the ending was stupid. The ending was very stupid. But I didn't, throughout, I wasn't feeling like they were trying to make pedos look like, I don't know. They, I don't think they were trying to like humanize it. Right, well, yeah, you know, I know what you mean. Right, so, you know, like if anything, it actually, even with the very first scene, it made them look hilariously pathetic in most of the ways and in most of the scenes. So I didn't really get that. I kind of landed in the middle on some of this, but I do think it's just probably the wrong movie for the wrong time. Nonetheless, if you guys go see it, judge for yourself, that's kind of where I was at. So Joey, Dee, if you take it away with where you're at. Yeah, I liked it. I enjoyed it. I'm excited to see his other movie 'cause he's got two. movies out now up in high. But yeah, I liked it a lot. The ending was, yeah, pretty ass. But like you, I don't think it was supposed to be like defending pedals or anything like that. I think if anything, the ending was this culmination of what he's doing has real world effects and it's real people involved and it goes beyond just their TV show. It's going to have real repercussions and stuff. That's kind of like how I've taken it the more I've sat with it. But yeah, I don't think all the bullshit online I think is just that it's kind of bullshit. Yeah, people want to, it's like everything else in our society. People automatically want to get totally zero or 100 on everything and once in a while you'll run into some like you read up steam emails. Yeah, it's kind of zero or 100, right? Like in this case, it's 100. But I think with this, there was a little more nuance. That said, I wouldn't have made the movie. I wouldn't have made it today like in this environment. I would have had a serious thought about that because I've said this many times before, but it is a reality. I don't like it. But this is the reality of the world. We live in a world where before you get to how things actually are, you better have how things look figured out first. It sucks. But how things look at the surface level matters more than how it actually is. If you write the greatest fucking book ever, or you make the greatest YouTube video ever, and you have either no cover or no thumbnail on it, no one's going to see it, right? Like that's, I don't like that. I mean, shit, if it were up to me, my thumbnails would be a picture of the guest, the name of the podcast, and the number of the episode. That's what every one of my thumbnails would be. But you'd never fucking hear me if they were. So you have to have that part buttoned up, and it sucks because then if you go to do something creatively, you have to think about how people are going to interpret that sometimes, like in this case, with making a movie where you're going to be taking artistic limitations. I do think another mistake they made is that they put at the end in the end credits very quickly that this was, you know, there were certain, I forget what it said, but certain things fictionalized based on this, you know, for entertainment purposes. Like what they put at the beginning of South Park essentially? Yes. Put that at the beginning. Yeah. You put, especially for one like this, that's an easy-unforced error. Don't do what 50 cent did to Diddy, which I thought was cool and hilarious, by the way, because Diddy is objectively an awful guy. But 50 cent did that to Diddy in his documentary at the end, where he would just like very quickly flash on the screen. I think I've talked about that last week, but, you know, like, by the way, you know, he was only found guilty of these two things, but he's definitely a bad guy. You know, so, I don't know, that's that's kind of what I took right there. You heard what Joey Deve had to say. Yeah, I'd go see the movie. It's a fun time. Go see the Patents and Crush. I do want to see the other movie they made. Don't want to Elizabeth Holmes, like you said. Yeah, it's it's doing gangbusters. I've heard it. I've heard it's unbelievable what they were able to get. And the fact that Nate Fielder and Lance were able to go like and do that with her all the way up to it to the point that they were even filming themselves right outside the prison when she was walking in and no one picked up on this fucking insane. I mean, I didn't even know the movies run times three hours. It's a three hour doc. I didn't. And I'm almost shocked that they could distill it down to three hours, spending that much time with that fucking psycho lady. I don't know how she's tweaked. She tweets back at us. She's tweaked back at us a couple of times. I don't think she's tweaking. I think it's I think the boyfriend now is the boyfriend doing it. Yeah. Okay. All right. Let's get the Jared Kushner friend of the show as Tim Dylan would say. So Matthew Cole has this book coming out on Tuesday, October 27th, I believe. Can we pull up the book itself as well? So people have this Matthew Cole book, Jared Kushner. Who will come right up? Princes and thieves. What's it called? They princes and thieves. So Jared Kushner and Muhammad Bin Zayyad's secret plot to remake the Middle East. Remake the Middle East. Now, I've said this before with books I read, but I love nonfiction books before I even open the page skipping back to the bibliography. Even without looking at the details first, just seeing how thick it is and then looking at the details too, which is obviously very, very critical. Just to kind of see where some sourcing is and then you know, you got to read the book and see where it correlates and all that to see how it actually stands up. But that is what I'm going to be doing with this book right here because as of the time of this recording on Friday evening, October 23rd, Matthew, the author has not responded to some of the pushback on the claims that were made. We're going to go through this very viral vanity fair article that lays out allegedly what Jared Kushner was involved with. But here's why this is really important to say. I started to talk about this at the outset, but I want to reiterate this again. I believe Jared Kushner is a very bad guy. I believe he has no talent. I believe he's a nepo baby. I believe that he has very bad intentions and is a horrific example of the worst thing that exists among you know, people that think they're way better than you and I. We have discussed many investigations into financial transactions, particularly since he quote unquote was going to leave political life after Trump term one that he and his wife as result, Ivanka Trump, the president's daughter have been involved in. We have covered that and we'll continue to cover that and it's to the tune of up to six billion dollars by the way it involves multiple countries, including some of the countries that are mentioned in this very article right here. We have seen this guy be one of the worst negotiators in the history of fucking man kind as an unelected official on behalf of this administration involving a war that you know, should have never fucking happened that they promised against and that has made a mess of the world. We have watched this guy be in all these places that we don't want him to be and I would love nothing more than to never have to say the name Jared Kushner again and get him to fuck out of private life and to abide by the same laws that you and I have to abide by. So journalistically speaking and stay with me here, when I go to do that, that means that I have to think about what are all the ways that my goal there could go wrong and one of the key ways it could go wrong is if I run to every single allegation, take it no matter what it is at face value without reviewing the underlying evidence to can support it and say this is 100% true only to be proven wrong later. Okay, so I'm going to start this because I'm not saying that what's in this article hasn't happened. I'm saying I'm going to need to see some receipts on this and you will understand why when I go through it. I'm going to start with Jared Kushner's response to this. Now Jared Kushner has responded to other things over the past like few months that are laughable where, you know, he just does the regular denial. This is ridiculous. It should be taken down and it's like objectively something that is like, well, no, Jared, you are an asshole. He did this wrong. But on this one, he took a similar approach. So hopefully, you know, if the report is correct, I hope the reports not correct because it's bad, right? But if the report is correct and this is actually good journalism, which would be bad for all of us in the sense that these things would happen. And we wish they didn't happen. But if that is the case, hopefully then this is a total lie that Jared Kushner's caught in and he digs his whole deeper and he's one step closer and never being fucking heard from again. Anyway, he says at Vanity Fair posted an excerpt from a book containing outrageous and categorically false allegations. By the way, Joey, do you ever notice people like this and these positions never do this? Yeah, I never turn that even did he tried that he crashed out by no, he can't do that. But like they never turn the phone around and just talk to it in one take and like at least try to show you their tone, their face, their fucking feel, but people like this probably don't even have feelings. He says the excerpt from the book containing outrageous and categorically false allegations came from Vanity Fair. The allegations made by this author are completely insane and never happened. We denied every one of these claims on the record yet the author failed to provide a single shred of evidence to substantiate any of them. No bank statements, wire transfer records, account numbers, transaction dates or other verifiable details were provided to support these extraordinary accusations. During the period in question, because this story took place in 2017, 2018 in there, I was one of the most scrutinized people in the world subjected to intense media coverage that that is true. Multiple congressional investigations, that is also true. And a special council investigation, I voluntarily cooperated with these investigations provided over 30 hours of testimony. I believe that is true as well. None of these allegations ever surface because none of these events ever happened. Or you know, some of their pay grade deaths. We've seen that in other stories too. These are outrageous fabrications being presented as investigative journalism. This is not journalism is a mixture of fantasy fiction and advocacy written by someone who is either deeply disturbed or acting with sinister intent. So before I go to read the article right now, one thing I do want to say is the time period in question, because this article is going to involve Saudi Arabia and MBS. MBC as well with the UAE and then other transit countries where they're doing weird financial transactions. Very similar to the whole dark art dealing black pit, like it's very, very similar. And then also Israel as well, which we know Jared Kushner can't get enough of his really fucking loves the place. Benjamin Netanyahu slept in a childhood bed when he would stay here in America. You know, so it involves all these different places and the reason I want to say it out front is because if you remember, I've referenced this many times over the years, in was it 2018, Jamal Khashoggi, the journalist who at the time was associated with Washington Post, who was, had been a high ranking social society person in Saudi Arabia. Right. 2018. Who also, I believe, was related to Adnan Khashoggi, which, you know, kind of interesting. But Jamal Khashoggi was murdered in the Saudi consulate in Turkey and, you know, there was video footage of a bunch of dudes and suits who had arrived on some private jet going into the consulate after video showed Jamal Khashoggi going into the consulate and then video showed Jamal Khashoggi never coming out. The suited men coming out with bags, presumably carrying pieces of his hacked up body. And it was so dark that there is even strong evidence to support the idea that perhaps Muhammad bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, was on the video monitor in the conference room in the consulate as Jamal Khashoggi was being executed in this case. But this was an international big deal. You have a leader of a major nation allegedly ordering the murder of a dissident journalist who was operating out of America at the time, as far as like his journalism goes, working for the Washington Post, which was also owned by Jeff Bezos, which added just a little extra cherry on top layer to it, where he was also ordering said murder on a diplomatically protected piece of land inside of a foreign nation that is diplomatically protected under the idea that there is a trust that illegal activities are not going to happen in this place, particularly murder. Obviously you and I both know illegal activities happen and all these fucking consulates and stuff. But you know what I mean? So it was a big deal. And there were leaked reports in the months and years afterwards about how Trump was bragging to people behind the scenes that he saved MBS's ass. He came in and had his back and got rid of this thing and the intonation was the Trump was very aware that he had actually done this, which means very clear that he did this. And so you ask yourself why did he do that? And then you look at the Abraham Accords and some of the normalization in the Middle East and things Jared Kushner was involved in and Jared Kushner had developed a very close relationship with MBS. And so you wonder, and this is where it gets to some pierce back how much, you know, a guy like Kushner is playing that game. And again, this is 2018. Now I want you to turn back the clock for a second, start at 2017, which is where these allegations. And I really have to emphasize that as of right now, these are just allegations. I have not seen proof to back this yet. Hopefully we get that on Tuesday when the book comes out. But these allegations start in 2017. So we got it up. Dave. Can people see it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. We. Now you can go back for one side, he's like fun facts about Jared Kushner, Benjamin Netanyahu slept in his childhood bed when his teenager, he listened to Netanyahu speak. He married Donald Trump's daughter, Ivanka for marrying Ivanka. He and his family were substantial democratic donors after leaving the White House. He founded a family partners, which took about two billion from Saudi Arabia. There it is. Public investment fund and more from Qatar and the UAE. So he took two billion three years after maybe helping PureSpec, MBS out of his little pickle right there. He is the current US special envoy for peace missions. He purchased a controlling stake in the New York Observer and he transferred ownership in 2017, invited Jeffrey Epstein to the New York Observer's 25th anniversary, Gala in 2013, because that's what you do. Epstein files suggest that Kushner was the shadow president of the United States in 2016. That seems like a little bit of a bold claim. I don't know. I don't even know if I've seen something. It says that. That's a real estate and investment funds. By the way, when they sold their property that they were underwater in in New York on I believe it was Fifth Avenue in 2018, I think they sold it to Vornado in 2018 or 2019. Do you know what the address on that location was? What? What? It is now 660 Fifth Avenue. At the time, it was 666. Nice. I believe Fifth Avenue. Fifth Park, one of them, but like, yeah, not open in the symbolism department. I might have done that rebranding before I owned it instead of waiting until I sold it and then the next guy being like, yeah, I don't know if I want to own a building called 666, maybe this feels a little cursed right here. But this vanity fair article that includes an excerpt from the book is called The Art of the Deal. Jared Kushner's hacked phone. That's at the middle of this story revealed his secret negotiations, including more than 700 Millie, Millie and transfers an exclusive excerpt from princes and thieves. Jared Kushner and Muhammad bin Zayed's secret plot to remake the Middle East examines how bank accounts linked to the president's son-in-law and former senior adviser to Israel, the UAE and Saudi Arabia. So in spring 2020, the author writes, "A source I knew to be reliable called me with a story. The Dutch government had hacked into Jared Kushner's phone and monitored him as he assessed a Dubai-based bank account. Didn't know the Dutch were like that. Dutch are doing that." Dutch are doing that. Per spec, allegedly. What was odd, the source said, was that the money in the account hundreds of millions of dollars had come from a bank in Azerbaijan. That's where you do it, Joy-Deef. Actually, you're going to find out that is where you do it. I spent lots of time in Azerbaijan. Well, I'm going to tell you why you should be spending more time there later. Because that part's true. But most importantly, Kushner appeared to have transferred significant amounts of money from the Dubai account to other individuals, including a warlord. That's what you do, right? A mercenary and a one-time hitman. Nice. These are very useful people. The story sounded preposterous. I told my source. And yet, six months later, I found myself speaking with someone else about the UAE government and their use of mercenaries and conflicts around the Middle East and Africa when I asked on a whim whether they knew anything about Kushner and bank transfers from a UAE account. My acquaintance grew quiet, then they replied, yes. So I actually, when I read that, and maybe I'm overthinking this, but I was trying to think how I would have asked that, if that is in fact how directly he asked it. If he went right to him and said, hey, do you know anything about a Kushner account and the UAE? I would have done it differently in, and I'm not exactly sure how, but it probably would have been multiple questions to kind of screen him where I would, I definitely would not mention Kushner at first to like fill in a blank and give him an opportunity to try to go with the story, right? And I probably wouldn't have said UAE right away. I probably, and maybe he did, and he's just skipping the last question he asked. But I probably would have started with something more broad like, do you know anything about bank accounts that could involve government officials in powerful countries around the world where they may move slash money from other governments through third party banks that could then pay them off to curry political favor illegally, something like that, right? So that the source has to actually figure out how this would happen. That's just me that this is how he chose to do it. So over the next four years, he came to learn, the author came to learn that sometime in late 2017, the Netherlands Defense Intelligence and Security Service made a startling discovery. A general staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, GRU operative. So the GRU is where a lot of the Russian dark web hackers are. Obviously, when you're looking at governments with powerful cyber, well-known, very powerful cyber operations, the United States, Russia, actually North Korea is pretty good. China, Saudi Arabia, Israel, I've heard Britain's pretty fucking good at it, but I don't know as many details on that. So you know, this, the GRU would also make sense. So they had made a starting discovery, a general staff of the GRU, a dark web hacker specializing in stolen bank data, was traveling to the UK for an espionage mission. They reached out to the British government for permission to apprehend him. This is the Netherlands Defense Intelligence. When he arrived, the British agreed. When the Russian National arrived in England, the Dutch informed him he had two options. He could work for them against the GRU or the British would arrest them and he said, "Fuck that. I'm going to work for you." That's obviously me short name. So, later that year, the Russian operative gave the Dutch spies access to one of the GRU's most sensitive assets, located in Rostov, Russia, the GRU's hacking and cyber team operator remote server on which they stored some of their bounty. During this search, through these secret files, the Dutch found something astonishing. Screenshots of Jared Kushner's iPhone like actual screenshots now here is another possibility here is where my head was thinking based on other stories I've heard over the years I don't know of this case but sending a high-level GRU operative to in this case hostile territory like Britain is risky obviously like he was there allegedly for an espionage mission that's what they said you are opening that person up to being arrested and picked up by the British government or you know another service like this so if you wanted to do a little dooblay operascione here yeah yeah yeah double agent right you do that yeah you send them in there you'd be like oh fuck they got me yep yeah oh but I did it's your lucky day I got the result for you and you plant some information that's possible it's very possible because it's all about screenshots but it does go deeper on the Dutch government's claims here so I'm less inclined to believe that that's the case again if this story is true in the hey the MIVD hacking team tried to reverse engineer the Russian penetration of Kushner's iPhone Kushner owned what was then the latest model the iPhone X released in November 2017 it featured Face ID which was at the time state of the art the Dutch team had been trying to pick the phone's door lock so to speak when it occurred to them that the Russians may have found an unlocked window to gain entry instead their hypothesis was correct by early 2018 the MIVD had found a vulnerability in the iPhone that gave them access security exploit was imperfect however some malware allows a hacker to turn a victim's phone into a microphone and video camera that's why you see Benjamin that Yahoo for example having you know camera covered stuff on his iPhone I imagine I can't see it but I imagine stuff covered on mics that's like extra special that can also like blocked noise and actual see through devices stuff like that but they allow a hacker to turn a victim's phone into a microphone and video camera turn the phone on or off and pull or add files the Dutch solution did not provide that level of access instead when Kushner used the phone they could see his screen almost as soon as they got inside the Intel service began capturing every image of Kushner screen as he used it filing their own cache of surveillance on their internal computer service another question you have to ask here is if they were doing this in 2017 2018 the world also very hostile to Trump administration one obviously he's having a lot of issues with NATO back then which he's continued to have the second time around you do have to ask yourself why are we only hearing about this now you know why did this story not come out back then or or you know at least not fucking eight nine years later that's a midterm coming up midterm coming up October surprise as they monitor Kushner's phone they discovered the use to log in they that he used it to log into UAE bank account by the time the Dutch spies had visible visibility into the phone the account had received hundreds of millions of dollars from a bank in Azerbaijan their initial assessment was that the bank account was affiliated with the government there but they were probably wrong about that the bank account became an intelligence mystery done gravel nearly everything they worked on had a tinge of Russian conspiracy a little over a year into Trump's first presidency the M.I.V.D. like FBI agents federal prosecutors in Washington working in the Robert Mueller investigation had only part of the story Kushner UAE ruler Muhammad bin Zayed and BZ and Muhammad bin Salman and B.S. of Saudi Arabia converged at an auspicious moment and B.S. wanted to be crown prince this is when he was like locking everyone up in the fucking Ritz from the royal family and interrogating them and ship and BZ wanted to blow up Obama's a ran nuclear deal and Kushner wanted both to help for to help him force the Palestinians into a deal that Israel would accept again why does he give so much a shit about that I'm not saying the Middle East you know you wouldn't like to see peace there but like why is that is main objective is an unelected official in the United States White House I don't know despite the perception of his wealth Kushner was not entirely financial independent of his parents and the family business Kushner companies faced a billion dollar loan coming due on their trophy property the man had an office building at 666 Fifth Avenue now known as 660 Fifth Avenue early in the first Trump administration and BZ and B.S. offered to pay for a slush fund dedicated to helping the new administration with foreign policy goals because that's what you do little slushy the idea was to help pay for Trump's promise wall between Mexico and the U.S. for example in an effort to secure a second term in the White House the two-hour royals initially discussed with Kushner putting more than 10 billy into the effort which is Trump change for those guys within months though as M.B.Z. pushed a Trump administration to help back M.B.S. is effort to become his country's crown prince and future king the broadened foreign policy slush fund idea fizzled instead M.B.Z. and M.B.S. initially and then M.B.Z. alone so M.B.S. moves out of it put at least two billion into at least two bank accounts for Kushner is unclear how the royals organized their two billion in combined payments but they effectively split the cost for the purposes of explanation is best to understand where and how each bank was controlled bank account alpha now follow me here was allegedly held at first Abu Dhabi bank the largest in the UAE so you have a bank account in the UA and it was overseen by M.B.Z's brother Tannoon bin Zayed who served as the bank's chairman keep it all in the family you know beginning in 2017 the Saudis and Emirates transferred roughly 750 million into the alpha account so 750 million in the UAE alpha would be used as a foreign policy fund this money would be overseen and partially managed by Kushner and M.B.Z. who in their effort to strike a grand bargain to end the Israeli Palestinian conflict which obviously didn't work out too well believe the regions map needed to be redrawn wonder what that means is that a greater Israel reference Jared was looking for shortcuts in his diplomacy a source said I'm going to skip some of this because it just mentions how much the money was little to them in a good investment potentially for M.B.Z. so the Dutch spies who monitored the alpha account noted that all of it was sent by a bank in Azerbaijan in American dollars and this is why this is critical to know Azerbaijan plays a unique role in money laundering its central bank maintains high levels of US dollars in its reserves but does not adhere to the highest standards of bank transparency as a result Azerbaijany banks have well established but unadvertised practices of serving as way stations for large transfers very similar to what I described with art earlier not the same thing but similar as way stations for large transfers in which a foreign currency is exchanged for an equal amount in dollars for a roughly six to seven percent fee that's a big-ass fee Joey these not bad every hundred dollars you make in six or seven bucks just to change it into another currencies and nobody knows for a roughly six to seven percent fee on the transaction some Azerbaijany banks will accept a transfer from a client who wishes to move Saudi reals or Emirati the Rams totaling hundreds of millions of dollars the Saudi or Emirati clients sends the money to the Azerbaijany bank which then uses a different internal bank account to transfer the equivalent US dollars to the clients requested destination for auditors this shadow trade can't be discerned it disappears it's like cars are so very does it's very does it's going you can't see it and it's in another jurisdiction it's in a in a sovereign nation that has their own laws like well obviously we know the famous like Swiss banks and my people hide money there we know about people hide money in Cyprus or in the Cayman Islands and some of these other other contagious places it's because they have the cover of like for lack of a better way of putting in not a perfect way to put it but like their own diplomatic rights if you will shallow audit as the Dutch tried while monitoring Kushner's iPhone revealed nothing more than what appeared to be an Azerbaijany government linked bank account that sent hundreds of millions of dollars to an accounting Dubai but there was another aspect of the alpha account that the Dutch couldn't see or understand one that helped reveal the secret purpose of the money allegedly here Kushner did not own the bank account at first Abu Dhabi bank he was a signatory for an account managed and owned by an Emirati charity when NBC and MBS first began contributing to the alpha account in 2017 the Watani Al Emirat Foundation a UAE government funded charity was run by Derar Baloud al-Falasi al-Falasi was a technocrat and a member of the federal national council and friends with one of MBS closest friends and advisors as a result al-Falasi and the Watani foundation had a second mission the charity was used as a cover to move money in support of the country's secret military and intelligence operations overseas that's what you do with charities you want to make sure you fund the more death around the world you know like that's why you set it up it's the only reason it's it's like USA yeah and like the grad what was it the gratitude foundation yeah gratitude america gratitude america come on come on they fund they fund in my college career don't don't say that people look into it yeah people are nuts people maybe they maybe maybe they'll find it's a joke you fucking psycho paths okay if if if you come up guilty on that I can't help you now under the Watani cover al-Falasi helped facilitate the UAE's secret weapons purchasing programs one confidential source who had direct knowledge of the charity's proliferation program revealed this source said that the Emirates believed that the program status as a charity made its international transactions less likely to be scrutinized which is what you want and therefore were served as a useful cover for funding MBC. and his brother's secret wars. So they made Kushner a signatory in the Alpha account with Wattani as signatory Jared had access to it and could in theory make transactions, but it technically was not his account. One way to view what Kushner did was the Alpha account is to imagine him as the director of the CIA. He had been running the government entity that managed and ran secret foreign programs maintaining the account again with presidential approval and congressional disclosure. Kushner's content conduct would have been within his jobs responsibilities. The problem was he was not the director of the CIA, whose position is approved by the Senate and whose ops are overseen and accountable to Congress. Instead, Kushner was overseen only by his father-in-law who, according to four senior Trump administration officials, two national security advisors, a White House chief of staff and a former CIA director, were unaware of any presidential authorization for Kushner to access a foreign government bank account. And this is where he does throw in there as Kushner mentioned, like he didn't throw in enough, which maybe is true. I don't know, that's Jared Kushner's claim. Kushner's counsel, however, said Kushner did not make any agreements or arrangements with leaders or officials in foreign countries that were not agreed to by the president of the United States and the best interests of the United States. You know, if true, that's a big if. I do have to say that with this one. This is not like you look at the affinity partner stuff and the money flowing in, which, by the way, does track to some of these same people, that stuff looks clear as day to me. You know, oh, let's start investments in Syria. Make sure you build a Trump golf course there, though, boom, money hits. Obviously, that's, we're looking at it and it's tracking. With this, it tracks, but I, you can't just give me an anonymous source saying, we hacked into the fucking guy's iPhone, you have to show me something there. You just journalistically, you have to show me something. And if true, he should fry. This is, this is a lot of things. I mean, it's a lot of things, Joey, if true. This is fucking money laundering. This is influence pedaling. This is being a trader. Like, it's a million things because there's a whole other thing in here. I'll get into it for a second, just so you guys have it. In addition to the alpha bank account, NBC put money into at least one other account intended for Kushner by the spring of 2018. The crown prince had moved roughly one billion dollars to Israel via Azerbaijan for Kushner. We will refer to this account as the beta bank account is unclear how Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu first learned of NBC's money for Kushner. But a person briefed on the beta account told me that the prime minister encouraged Kushner to have the money deposited in the Israeli central bank and what would appear to be a government account. It is also unclear how Kushner used the money the UAE deposited into the beta account for him. But according to the person with knowledge of the money, its allocation was allegedly for Kushner's personal benefit. But as with the alpha and some of the allegedly's by the way that I'm adding are my words, not his. So when you've heard allegedly sometime in this article, he didn't necessarily say that. I'm saying that because these are allegations. His allegation was allegedly for Kushner's personal benefit. But as with the alpha account, there were clues in the way the beta account was managed. Now, this also brings in David Friedman, who is the former US ambassador to Israel, who has a cold take every fucking five minutes on everything happening there and certainly seemed to not be serving America in his tenure and in his post tenure of ambassador to Israel. Certainly seemed to be more like the guy that we sent there to work for Israel and like not do what we wanted to do. But that's near the here and or there. He characterized all these claims. There's 100% false. He went through the whole thing. So he denies it as well. But he was allegedly involved in this whole thing. And the reason I don't want to go as deep into the beta account is because this story is brand new. And I'm still trying to do a little more work on how the account would have worked with what's the wording here. I want to make sure I get this right. So I don't fuck this up with money being deposited into the Israeli central bank. Because I have seen some arguments made about what types of accounts can be accessed there and who can account, who can access those accounts and when and where money can come in and where some of this story might not add up. But I can't say one word the other yet because I do not know enough. So I don't want to go beyond that. But you can read this article. It's behind a pay wall on on vanity fair. But if you archive.is it. So go to the vanity fair article. Copy the link type in archive.is. Hit the fucking I'm not a robot. Paste in the link. Hit search. It'll load the page and you can see it just like us. That's how we're able to do it with some of these articles on some of these places behind paywalls. But it's very, very interesting allegations. It is coming out right before midterms. I don't know why they would need it to be like. Everyone sees where the midterms are going. They don't need October surprises. Obviously like the morale across the country by the percentages is not high as it relates to his current government. Probably be a little reshuffling in the deck, right, Jardine? Yeah, it's going to be interesting with the next few years hold as. A lot of parts. Yeah, well, that's what I was going to say. On one side, it's going to be a lot of partings. And on the other side, it's going to be a lot of investigations. And yeah, we're in L right now, channel. You say that again. We've got to climb back out. It's a game anxious. Anyway, yeah, doozy of an article, I am going to be buying that book on Tuesday to make a wider judgment on it. And if some of it looks interesting enough, maybe I shall reach out to Matthew and see if he wants to come in. I don't know yet. I have to look at the claims. I do try to, you know, again, big claims require big evidence for sure. And like we do try to be really, really careful with that here and when we get something wrong, we tell you, which, by the way, there was a small detail last week. Let me correct this before we go. Small detail, something that came up on a random search that a listener of the show reached out to Deaf. Thank you for doing that as a minor point. But we had the name wrong. What was it? Robert Simon. Yeah, I just want to pull this up really quick. Yeah, so Jim Simon's and there was a Robert Simon's. Yeah, it was Jim Simon's. But we were talking about Renaissance capital. That's right. And we had said, we had tied it to Jim Simon's, you know, the great quant himself. But his company was Renaissance technology. Right. Or so, yes. So just to be clear, it was a side point. But when we were tying it to Renaissance capital, which came up in an article involving Howard Lutnik, that was not Jim Simon's. Yeah. It was not Jim Simon's. Yeah. So I'm glad I remembered that. I do want to issue that correction as well. When we see stuff like that, thank you to you guys for pointing it out. That's why you're there as well. You know, when we say something's pure spec, we're saying pure spec. And like that, that kind of take care of itself, because that means I don't fucking know. Like we're looking at this interestingly. But with something like that, where I was like, oh, shit, wow, that's the same guy. Yeah. We're doing it in real time. It was not. So different Jim Simon's, like it's our IP. Renaissance capital is actually linked to Russia instead. Oh, yeah. That's enough. Yeah. Yeah. I've had enough of that. But that said, everyone go follow @JoyDeaf on Instagram @tokmalone on Twitter, great follow over there. We didn't get to your tweet today. So we'll do that next week because that was a great fucking tweet. But you know, we got a fucking movie to make next month. We do. We'll be talking about that on some podcasts and stuff. Definitely. Indeed, he's been working his ass off on that, I'm really excited to see that thing come together. But if you're not subscribed, please subscribe that said, give it a thought, get back to me. Peace. What's up, guys? Thanks so much for watching the video. If you have not subscribed, please hit that subscribe button before you leave, as well as leave a like on the video to the YouTube channel. You can join my Patreon via the link in the description. And you can also join my clipping community via the Discord link down below. See you for the next episode. She's all alone. She's going. She's going. Oh, no, wrong goal, kiddo. 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