Speaker 1Welcome to the Dr. Obedovinga Day Podcast. Dr. Obed is a thought leader and apologist who speaks to life's great existential questions of origin, purpose, faith, and destiny with fluency and grace. He is an author and the president of the Christ Cosmopolitan Incorporated, a vibrant apostolic commission that heralds the message of the fullness of Christ. Dr. Obed has seen his ministry soar to great heights over several years, touching the lives of many across the globe through his various ministry platforms. May you grow in grace and the knowledge of Christ as you listen to mind-renewing and heart-enlightening messages by Dr. Obed. Do enjoy this teaching. God bless you.
Speaker 2Amen. Amen. All right. Please, a quick follow-up. So, when Scripture says that he was cast out of heaven. Yes. And there was no place found for him. Is it referring to the new Jerusalem or to the whole of heaven?
Speaker 3He had no right of ownership. Okay. It does not mean that he can't enter to take a seat to press charges. Let me ask you a question. When you enter the court, are you a member of the court? No. Uh-huh. So, you don't have a place in the court, but you have a seat to press charges. Do you understand? Yes. Once your accuser. Has gone to the police station. Does that mean that he's a policeman? No. Once your accuser has gone to the court, does that mean that he's a judge or a lawyer? No. He's only gone to press charges. Now, his rightful place as part of the administrative work of heaven has been taken from him. He doesn't work in the interest of heaven again. He's always in opposition to the interest of heaven. That is the reason why a person. Can lose his position as a member of cabinet and sue government. As a public officer who has lost his place. Do you understand that?
Speaker 2Yes, daddy. Okay. I get that. So, Pastor Ben sent in a follow-up question. He's asking whether Satan is an individual or Satan is a company.
Speaker 3I want to answer that next week. Because Satan is one. And Satan is a people. But I'll explain my answer next week.
Speaker 2So, I'll take the next question. This is from Brother Robert Adifo. From the UAE. He says, Shalom, daddy. Pastor Ben is always a blessing to this generation. All this while, I knew Satan was the prince of this world. And I also thought he was ruling together with death in hell. No. My question is, daddy, you made mention of Jesus saving people who are already in hell. Yes. I'll need more light and understanding on that.
Speaker 3Ephesians chapter 4. Ephesians chapter 4. He that descended is the same that ascended. And what did he lead? Captivity. He led captivity captive. Now, do you know that Satan has never reigned in hell? It was death that reigned. And it is death that reigns. He's the king of the Abysos. And Satan is not the last person to be defeated. It is death. So, according to the scriptures, Satan, he's a small boy, he's a fine, he's not a king. Okay. Satan is nothing old. Charlie, there are 100 people more than that guy old. You better get yourself ready. Because there are seven wicked spirits than Satan. More wicked than Satan. And these wicked beings, they are in their own realms. And they are part of those who moved him to become Satan. If you have followed my teachings on the Anunnaki's and everything that I did scripturally, then you will appreciate what I'm saying. So, Satan as a being, in his company of devils, there is no one devil. There are devils. And these devils are not only spirit beings, but also men who have sold themselves to Satan to do wickedly and evil. And anybody who sells his soul to Satan is included in his company. Equally as anybody who sells his own to Jesus, to be included in his company. So, you have a desire, you have an opportunity to decide. To either sell your soul, that is to say, to become a worker of Satan or to become a worker of Jesus. That is how come after your new birth, listen, there are many people who are born again, but they are Satan's workers. Yes. Yes. You can be born again. And give your soul to Satan. I'll show you a typical one. The word of God says that there was this guy that was called Magus. For he had made himself to be some great one. Though he got born again, Peter tells him, you have no inheritance. You have no part in this. Why? He wanted to still carry on with his work as being Satan's boy. So, if you remember, last Wednesday I said there are many people who have taken on the work of Satan. Number one, there are characters of Satan. The first thing that makes us know that you are one in the character of Satan is that number one, you are an accuser. Number two, you are somebody who bewitches. You bewitch people. But there was a certain man called Simon who would be four times in the same city and he used sorcery. And bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out himself that he was some great one. Now, when he saw that through the laying on of hands, the Holy Spirit was imparted, he didn't want to now become a worker of Jesus. He wanted to become a worker of Satan, imparting the Holy Spirit. How? By money. He would give you the Holy Spirit only on condition that you give him money. Because he got it by money. And is it not the same thing that Satan told Jesus? Exchange. I'll give you something for it. Let's bargain. Then Peter looks at him and said, when Simon saw that through the laying on of the hands of the apostles, the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money. Saying, give me also this power, this influence, this power to rule that on whomsoever I lay my hands may receive the Holy Ghost. But Peter said unto him, thy money perish with thee. This perishing is not the perishing that takes one to hell. But it is the perishing that makes a person lose his inheritance in Christ, though saved. So that we will all go through fire. And our works will be proven. Whether we were working for Jesus or we were ones that were workers of fire, or we were workers of iniquity. Who are the workers of iniquity? Satan's boys. So there are people who are born again that Satan has given them a mandate, the first character, to accuse their brethren. They are always on the lookout looking for something to accuse a pastor of, a man of God of, a brother of. Every time when they sit, when they switch on, when they want to say something, it must be to accuse a certain man of God. You are Satan's small boy. It's just as simple as that. You are taking on the work of Satan. And he's happy. Because you are misrepresenting the body. And you think you are exposing the body. We are to expose the works, not the people. How do you expose the works? By teaching the truth. You expose the works of the devil, not the people. When you teach the truth of the word of God, you know it will expose. Because the light will always conquer darkness. So the moment you take on yourself to accuse people, you have become a Satan. And you are in Satan's company. And it will shock many people in that day. Thy money perish with thee. Because thou thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. Next. Thou hast neither part nor lot inheritance. In this matter, why? For your heart is not right in the sight of God. Whose heart was not right in the sight of God? Simon Magus. No, no, no. Satan. Satan. So who has he joined? He has joined Satan. He has joined Satan. So there are plenty of people. They claim they are pastors, apostles, teachers. But they are Satan's small boy. They are not doing the work of God though. A typical person was Paul. He taught. He was doing God a service. But rather, he had gone to get a license. To destroy the church Always know That nobody has a mandate To uproot the tares Before the time That is how come I told you He's not coming for a glorious church He's coming to present unto himself A glorious church The church cannot be glorious by himself When he shall appear We shall be like him And stand before him In the beamer seat Then when he has taken his judgment He will not present to himself that which is glorious So we are not the ones to go and remove the tares What we are to do Is to allow the tares And the wheat to grow That is what he says And who are the tares? The sons of the wicked one Who are the sons of the wicked one? They may be born again or not And still be sons of the wicked one You need to know who a son of the devil is Who? This is the reason why Jesus looks at Peter And says get thee behind me Satan Because You can say something And you think in your right senses What you are saying makes sense You are peeping to the senses of men He said But when he turned about And looked on his disciples He rebuked Peter saying Get thee behind me For thou severest not the things that be of God But the things that be of men Some of the times What you are saying You are trying to appeal to men And it's making sense to men Please You are not doing the work of God You are doing the work of Satan You see Whenever man Walks in skin for skin He is walking according to Satan So please be very careful When you rationalize things in your head You may think that you are speaking Under divine inspiration It may be Satan that is speaking through you And make sure that every time You mind divine things Else You may sit in the council And speak as Satan's agent In council I want to find out something
Speaker 2Concerning what you just spoke about On the matter of Jesus presenting himself to the world He is presenting to himself A glorious church Without spots Without wrinkles Without any such thing Yes And we have understood Those that are spots in our feet Those that are wrinkles And all of those things Yes From previous teachings I got to understand that The ministry of the fivefold Is to handle some of these things Yes Unless I am probably wrong But the ministry of the fivefold
Speaker 3Will not finish it Else if we finish it He won't let us go through fire Then there will be no need Because we have finished it Whatever the fivefold does Let us go through fire Then there will be no need Because we have finished it Else if we finish it We will have to go through fire So that what must burn will burn And what will remain will remain Because he is not looking for quantity He is looking for quality Then when he would have passed that through That fire He will now present it to himself So what we are supposed to do as ministry Is to present a chaste virgin Okay let me now prove it Look at a man who is going to get married His father brings her daughter Phoebe come I want to say something I am going to use Phoebe Watch Forget about your sleep and come I am going to use Phoebe Because she is a daughter in the flesh I want to use her Good Look here Is Phoebe a virgin or she is not a virgin? She is a virgin
Speaker 2Jesus Is Phoebe a virgin or
Speaker 3she is not a virgin?
Speaker 2She is a virgin
Speaker 3She is a virgin You believe she is a virgin?
Speaker 4Yes She is a black cow virgin
Speaker 3Is she or she is not? She is not married she is a virgin She is not married so she is a virgin Is she sexually a virgin or she is not? Only she can tell Only she can tell
Speaker 4Oh uncle Uncle Believe Believe your niece Believe all things Believe your niece
Speaker 3So Assuming she will come She will come She will come She will come I hear Phoebe's auntie is not happy but this my daughter can grow you'll be shocked woman, this time you'll be shocked about your wife woman, oh no you just give this beautiful damsel here five to ten years then she'll be taking off and catwalking now see this man wants to marry my daughter this man says I want a virgin I give this one to him to the best of my knowledge my daughter is a virgin okay but many of you sitting here your parents think you are virgins I remember somewhere last year I visited somebody and the man was telling me about her daughters she has daughters where is Dorigen where is Dorigen is she in church is she in church is Dorigen in church is Dorigen's sister in church come here come here I was looking for you so you sit there place a microphone on her lips this beautiful no come here we want to see you calm down I'm just using it for illustration beautiful So, Anishu came up and come here. Can you stand here? And I went to visit her father and we're talking. And the father was very proud of her daughters. And was telling me, how many girls are you? Four. Four girls. Pastor, I have four girls. All of them are virgins.
Speaker 5Daddy. Daddy. Daddy, what you are doing is dangerous. Daddy, what you are saying. Daddy, what you are saying is dangerous. All of them.
Speaker 3I believe in this generation, I believe. I don't doubt the generation. But the authority and the audacity. You were in that meeting, right? Yes, Pastor. What? What did your father say? He said it in Chi. He said, Pastor, I have four. I don't have any virgins. You have four virgins. Yes,
Speaker 4Pastor. I don't want to
Speaker 3put her on the spot.
Speaker 2Jesus. Jesus. Jesus.
Speaker 3We have done a good work on you.
Speaker 4We are done with our work. Papa Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. The brethren you gave us. We present them back to you.
Speaker 3They are virgins. Jesus said, let me go and present her to myself.
Speaker 4Then Jesus said that, no, I can't trust.
Speaker 3So when you read the Old Testament, the Bible says that. Jesus said that if a man marries a virgin and sleeps with her and realize that Kai, four out of nine, comes back with no talking of her virginity. So what we are saying is that until Jesus has taken us through the testimony of Jesus, we are not going to be able to say that we are not going to be able to be a virgin. We are not going to be able to be a virgin. So what we are saying is that until Jesus has taken us through the testing of the fire, he's the one that knows the virgin he's looking for. You may be walking around thinking you are a virgin, you are a virgin, you are a virgin. we don't know we're doing the best edification growth we are not the ones who are going to present ourselves that one is western mindset a woman who presents herself to a man no it is a man that comes to get a woman to present him to present her to himself that's what happens so he's not coming to see a glorious church the church that is existing as glorious must prove itself through fire to prove that it is really glorious until that so we may sit here and say let's be a glorious church no that is what he's coming to present to himself and it will only be validated when he does it if you are arguing on this it means you don't know god because you can say to yourself you have met god's standard and you have met god's standard and you have met god's standard and you will look at you and say you don't you don't or you've not seen some before you can go and ask isaiah what is you what is you what is you what is you the day he saw the glory of god he said what is me i'm a man of unclean lips i dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips when you see the last of god's glory you will know if you are really chaste or you're not until he has tempted you with the fire of his purification do what you can leave the rest of the quality assay to himself because he is not coming for a glorious church he's coming to present unto himself a glorious church they are totally different somebody may say how necessary is it it means you don't know god it actually means you you've never walked with him before because if you have one with god before hey hey you can serve and serve and serve and serve until you have done something and jesus said now i'm profitable servant have you not done what is required of you so how will we become profitable servants he's the one that knows it so serve him apply yourself we are not saying we should leave one turn of course if you are not a virgin who say you're a virgin if you are not glorious you won't say you are glorious but in your working in glory let him be the one to assay and to approve and to validate the glorious church that you are so as i'm here right now um this is my daughter i believe she's a virgin but it is her husband that can come and say i have proven it i presented to myself a glorious church and so the group has passed the bride through the fire of testing the bride is just tickling herself by rubbing her armpit and saying i am this so allow jesus to be jesus i hope you get it yes please and the bible never said he's coming for a glorious church the bible said he's coming to present unto himself a glorious church that must be understood it's not the same as what he's coming for finally how many virgins did the bridegroom meet five wise virgins and
Speaker 2five foolish virgins so were they virgins yes they were you see
Speaker 3you don't know what the glorious church is you can be a virgin and be foolish and you want you the glorious church you can be a virgin on the virgin bump because or i say anyone's a virgin with foolishness oh virgin beyond the new coffee ah he's sparing me he's sparing me sparing you say say jesus foolish virgin can you imagine oh you're a virgin you're doing coffee you don't go jerry i'll
Speaker 4see you let's go and bath you're saying no you say you go alone
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Speaker 3room kindly excuse me i want to change are you sick okay okay what about me putting
Speaker 4off the light as i dress up in front of you
Speaker 3oh yeah virgin you are an incomplete virgin so you see you can be a virgin but you are not his wise virgin i remember i'm
Speaker 4just saying this in
Speaker 3person not just a funny one once we we we had finished with once we we we had finished with once we we we had finished with the um the one they drink what is it reception the one they drink what is it reception the one they drink what is it reception we're just going to sit in a car then my we're just going to sit in a car then my we're just going to sit in a car then my mother-in-law rushed mother-in-law rushed mother-in-law rushed and whispered something to pastor and whispered something to pastor and whispered something to pastor brenda brenda brenda then she laughed
Speaker 4i told you don't forget to then she laughed i told you don't forget to then she laughed i told you don't forget to forget forget forget what do you think she said what i thought what do you think she said what i thought what do you think she said what i thought you don't forget don't don't disgrace me you don't forget don't don't disgrace me you don't forget don't don't disgrace me don't disgrace me don't disgrace me don't disgrace me don't go and don't go and don't go and be wise be why be a wise be a wise since you were not returned you were a since you were not returned you were a since you were not returned you were a wise wise wise virgin
Speaker 3now listen oh now listen oh now listen oh life can be interesting life can be interesting life can be interesting but hear that according to pastor but hear that according to pastor but hear that according to pastor brenda brenda brenda in law came and said in law came and said in law came and said be a good girl
Speaker 4be a good girl
Speaker 3be a good girl what does it mean but now it's meaning what does it mean but now it's meaning what does it mean but now it's meaning two things two things two things because if you are not married and you because if you are not married and you because if you are not married and you are told to be a good girl now that you are married now that you are married now that you are married and you are being told be a good girl and you are being told be a good girl and you are being told be a good girl if you understand it as an old good girl if you understand it as an old good girl if you understand it as an
Speaker 4old good girl you are very fully fed you are very fully fed you are very fully fed every day i should be a good girl i'm every day i should be a good girl i'm every day i should be a good girl i'm married to i should be a good girl
Speaker 3married to i should be a good girl married to i should be a good girl be a good girl go till you become a good girl one day go till you become a good girl one day go till you become a good girl one day but be a good girl but be a good girl but be a good girl my friend later give jesus a mighty hand give jesus a mighty hand give jesus a mighty hand it is what it is it is what it is so your virginity so your virginity so your virginity as for paul he will present you as what as for paul he will present you as what as for paul he will present you as what but now it is jesus that will prove but now it is jesus that will prove but now it is jesus that will prove whether you are a wise virgin whether you are a wise virgin whether you are a wise virgin or what a foolish virgin or what a foolish virgin or what a foolish virgin by even the time that he showed up by even the time that he showed up by even the time that he showed up we saw those who were wise and we saw we saw those who were wise and we saw we saw those who were wise and we saw those who were foolish those who were foolish those who were foolish and those were wise are the ones he took and those who were foolish and those were wise are the ones he took inside but those who are foolish inside but those who are foolish inside but those who are foolish when they came what when they came what when they came what the door was shut so that's it he's the door was shut so that's it he's the door was shut so that's it he's presenting to himself presenting to himself presenting to himself so you might be a virgin but that's not so you might be a virgin but that's not so you might be a virgin but that's not all that he's looking for all that he's looking for all that he's looking for he wants wise virgins not virgin for he wants wise virgins not virgin for he wants wise virgins not virgin for being a virgin's sake
Speaker 2being a virgin's sake being a virgin's sake i hope you get it yes please i get it so i hope you get it yes please i get it so i hope you get it yes please i get it so much god richly bless you
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