Speaker 1Welcome to the Dr. Obedovinga Day Podcast. Dr. Obed is a thought leader and apologist who speaks to life's great existential questions of origin, purpose, faith, and destiny with fluency and grace. He is an author and the president of the Christ Cosmopolitan Incorporated, a vibrant apostolic commission that heralds the message of the fullness of Christ. Dr. Obed has seen his ministry soar to great heights over several years, touching the lives of many across the globe through his various ministry platforms. May you grow in grace and the knowledge of Christ as you listen to mind-renewing and heart-enlightening messages by Dr. Obed. Do enjoy this teaching. God bless you.
Speaker 2We just started with Jesus. Just started. Just started.
Speaker 3May God give you capacity.
Speaker 2In Jesus' name. Amen. Say amen.
Speaker 3Amen. Everybody say amen.
Speaker 2Amen. Alright. Okay, so Papa, please, this is a clarification I needed when you started. So when you started, you spoke about how if Jesus was named by Mary, that means he's with us as men. Yes. And then if he was. No, no, no, no. I never said so.
Speaker 3We. We as men.
Speaker 2We as men. Saying God is with us. God is with us. And then if it's from God, then it would talk about.
Speaker 3God. Saying that God is with them as God.
Speaker 2As God. Okay. Yes. So that's when Psalm 82 came in. But then he touched a bit on it at the end. But I just wanted further clarification. So God said. Jesus said, ye are gods.
Speaker 3Jesus said so when they now challenged his authority. Okay. Then he referred them. And the scripture says that ye are gods.
Speaker 2So then, whether he was named by God or by Mary.
Speaker 3No. He was using it to justify why he said he is God. Okay, now I'm confused. You, being a man, making thyself equal with God. Then he was quoting the scripture. He was not telling them that you. No, you are gods. Okay. So he made a reference. Jesus answered, is it not written in your law? I said, ye are gods. Okay. So I am God. I'm saying I am God. And you want to stone me. Is it not written in the Psalms that ye are gods? Not you. Me, me, me. I'm God. If you don't want to lay claims to it, I'm standing on that scripture to say I am God. So he quoted the button word for word. In reference to himself, not to them. These were Pharisees. They were brood of vipers, snakes. They were not gods.
Speaker 2My question was, so if he was quoting scripture, the verbatim, that's. Okay, let me understand. So is that the men, we as men, we are equal, we are in the likeness of God, so we are equal to God.
Speaker 3That is how come you have to take your time so that I come back and teach on the imago dei and the likeness. Until I do that one, you won't get it. But for now, understand that when Jesus was walking here on earth, he was this is that Emmanuel. He was not this is Emmanuel. If you can get that one. I'll try. No, no, don't try. Slowly. Okay, Pastor Reginald, help here.
Speaker 4Right, so you have to understand that this whole thing is a process starting with Jesus. And so what Jesus did is not the fullness of all that there is. So he's done what is in part. And then there's supposed to come the full force of the, the fullness of the manifestation of all things. So it is in that day that we see the reality of what we are calling Emmanuel. God with us. In full. The substance of it will be experienced. But Jesus, just as a person fulfilled, he had the full force of that, which was to come. Scripture tells us we are tasting of the powers of the ages to come. So there is that which is to come. But he, Jesus, exhibited that for us as the head of an institution, a body. She's still confused. You still don't get it? Yes. You don't get it? Come, come and sit by me. Bring your microphone.
Speaker 3Okay, let's have a conversation. Do you know Christ? Yes. Use the mic. Yes, Papa. Do you know Christ as a person and Christ as an institution? Yes, Papa. How is he?
Speaker 2Help me. So the glorified church, at the end, with Christ as its head, is Christ. Is Christ.
Speaker 3The body of Christ. The body of Christ. With the head Christ, isn't it? Yes, yes. And so we have that fullness of Christ and the body of Christ. That is what is equal to Emmanuel. So until then, we don't have Emmanuel. I want to ask you a question. Yes, Papa. In the time Jesus walked here in the flesh, did you ever see anybody call him Emmanuel? No, please. So does that mean, Isaiah was lying? No. But Isaiah said a virgin will give birth. Yes. Who is that virgin? Mary. No. That is where I've been trying to take you from. That is what has been said by church fathers for a long time. It is not true. Okay. Virgin Mary is this, is that. Whenever in Hebrew, we write this is that, it is a lexicon, a structure of grammar, which means partial fulfillment.
Speaker 2So does that mean, it's the sun-clad woman.
Speaker 3Yes. The sun-clad woman was pregnant to give birth to what?
Speaker 2To a man child.
Speaker 3A man child. Yes. Now, the prophecy of Isaiah, he said unto us, a child is what? Born. And unto us, a son is what? Given. So where is the son? Jesus. No. Jesus and his body. Okay. Is the child's son, referred to as the man child.
Speaker 2Okay. I think that's okay.
Speaker 3So there is a child, but that child has to become a man.
Speaker 2He's a son.
Speaker 3Yes. Okay. So nobody is a son until you come into manhood. You are a child, you grow up to become a son. Okay. So a child is born, a son is not born, but a son is given.
Speaker 2Yes, papa. Did you get that?
Speaker 3Yes, papa. Now, from that place, until Christ the head, overflats Judah to the neck. What is Judah? An ally of King who? David. Now, when will we have the throne of David?
Speaker 2Okay. Louder. I'm not sure. Say anything. When we've all come together.
Speaker 3Say it loud.
Speaker 2When we all come together for the fulfillment of the Godhead.
Speaker 3Good. That is when we would have the manifestation of the throne of David. So David himself. How was David then his son? How? And how was David then his father? It is only in the fulfillment of Emmanuel. Done now. He now fulfills the mandate of being the son of David. Along with all of us who have what? Aligned ourselves with David. Because the son of David is an entire Jewish community. Which is Judah and his allies. Being Levi and being what? Benjamin. And all people of other tribes. That is how come Obed the Gittite now is a Jew. Not because he has Jewish tribal genes. That is because he has Jewish tribal genes. be made or will be
Speaker 2made yes papa
Speaker 3after the church still there will be creations yes papa those creations within the church and outside of the church who are not a part of the glorified church
Speaker 2would call us immanuel you got it
Speaker 3now okay so i'm
Speaker 2still not immanuel yet no no you are not
Speaker 3immanuel yet at all forget it forget it you are you are building Pastor David said you just started your E Or your I Do you get it now? So Emmanuel is a land Isaiah chapter 8 verse 8 Read it for me No no no no Isaiah 8 verse 8 And he shall
Speaker 2pass through Judah And he shall overflow and go over He shall overflow and go over He shall reach even to the neck And the stretching out of his wings Shall fill the breadth of thy land
Speaker 3Oh Emmanuel The stretching out of his wings Shall fill the breadth of thy land Oh Emmanuel What land do you think he's talking about? The wilderness where the church was Revelation chapter 12 He said and the woman fled into the wilderness Where she had a place prepared of God That they should feed her there A thousand two hundred and three score days Who is this Emmanuel? Who is this woman? The sun-clad woman Do you get that? Now where the woman fled Into the wilderness Is the breadth That he's talking about in Isaiah chapter 8 verse 8 And the breadth of her wings The extension from the body of Christ Would be in his hands Do you know that wings are hands? Yes pastor So let's go And the stretching out of his wings
Speaker 2Shall fill the breadth of thy land Oh Emmanuel So who is Emmanuel?
Speaker 3Is it a person or a land? Both Emmanuel is people with jurisdictions So Emmanuel is people with jurisdictions Do you agree that the king of England is England?
Speaker 2Yes wherever he goes he carries England
Speaker 3He carries England with him That is the same way The ambassadors of that age in the body of Christ Will now be Emmanuel Extending Emmanuel to all nations Wherever they go So then they will carry the rod of iron Being the scepter that Jesus is using Which was given to him of his father And Jesus will give us that same scepter So that at the name of Jesus What does he mean? In the rod and authority Of Jesus Not in mentioning Jesus It is in the character And in the authority of Jesus The onoma Everybody say the onoma The onoma So until you understand the onoma You will be saying that He is saying when you shout Jesus That is not what he is saying He is saying at the authority And the character of Jesus Who are those who have the authority And the character of Jesus? Give me one name Of those who have the authority And the character of Jesus
Speaker 2One name David
Speaker 3One name Say it Keep saying it You will get it Emmanuel Emmanuel They are the ones Who will now be what? Carry the scepter of the rod of iron Who will now be those who come In the name of the Lord Do you get the whole thing now?
Speaker 2Yes please But I am still processing Go and process it You need to listen to the message
Speaker 3Over and over and over Thank you so much God bless you You are welcome Thank you for being here
Speaker 5Shalom pastor Shalom church Shalom Well this very blessed day I am much blessed Today is my second time Of being here And the eyes of my understanding Have been enlightened In the word of God I
Speaker 3give
Speaker 5God praise
Speaker 3Oh why are you jealous? I want to clarify
Speaker 5From these scriptures That is Isaiah chapter 7 verse 14 Matthew chapter 1 verse 21 Luke chapter 1 verse 31 And then Philippians chapter 2 verse 9 So from Isaiah chapter 7 verse 14 We saw that Jesus was named Before he was born Shabbat Isaiah chapter 7 verse 14 And Isaiah chapter 7 verse 14 Matthew chapter 1 verse 21 Luke chapter 1 verse 31 He was named before he was born You are right And then Philippians chapter 2 verse 9 Also says that Jesus was given a name After he conquered death You are right So what is the difference Between the name God That was given to Jesus Before he was born And the name that was given to him After he conquered death
Speaker 3They are the same The only difference in names Is the one that he was given When he was born The name he was given Before he was born Is the name that was placed on him After he resurrected But when he came into this world He didn't carry the name That was declared Before he was born The only one That was given Pre-birth Was the announcement To Joseph That he Joseph Should call the boy Jesus But in prophecy from Isaiah Jesus is never known In the Old Testament That it was going to be his name His name from Isaiah 7 Was going to be Emmanuel But when he was born In this world Nobody called him Emmanuel Why? Because Emmanuel is a land And a people It's the stretching out Of the breadth of his wings To fill all lands So that God is now with men As Emmanuel Please you get that So there is a pre-birth name In the Old Testament Pre-birth name By Angel Gabriel To Joseph That when the boy is born He should be called Jesus Jesus is a mandate to save For he will save his people From their sins Are you getting that? Emmanuel is not salvation Emmanuel is God with us The mandate of Emmanuel Is not to save The mandate of Emmanuel Is to establish the royal throne of God Throughout all the jurisprudence Where the body must feel Let me make it easy for you Emmanuel simply means The body of Christ Filling all realms From heaven to earth To the underworld So that the authority of Christ Can be experienced in all realms In the universal cosmic reconciliation Do you understand? Yes please So that is how come At the name of Jesus And I said it means The character The onoma The character and authority Of Jesus Not the mention of Jesus At the character And authority of Jesus Every knee should bow Of things in heaven Of things on earth And of things under the earth When a person comes with a rod of iron That Jesus is carrying When he was enthroned as Emmanuel The new name of Jesus The new name that was given to him Then anybody that comes In that scepter and rod of iron Into all realms of heaven And under the earth Will now also receive The bowing down Because Jesus According to the Old Testament He swore to himself in Isaiah 45 That I swear to myself That everybody will swear to myself Do you understand that? I swear to me That everybody will swear to myself Everybody will come and swear to me So he swore to his body So that in the character And in the authority of that body Everybody will respond to their body And I'm doing it to myself first That what I Decide to do Is what we will do There is a realm I want to take us to But I'm praying that people Will be able to understand When we get there Do you know that In the formulative glorious legislation I said boy Let me make it milder So that everybody can receive It will be A collaborative work Of Christ and his body Put a microphone on that And a microphone on your mouth Will you be afraid To sit with somebody Who has your mind No please Okay If you got that Number two If somebody has your mind And the person is talking And making suggestions Will you refute what the person says? No please When you refute the person What have you refuted?
Speaker 5I've refuted myself
Speaker 3Yourself There's coming a day When we sit at table with Jesus And Jesus will talk And we'll also talk And we'll come into a conversation Collaborative legislator with Jesus And Jesus will be shocked And wondering Why we are making such beautiful for contribution to his vision and his plan that they will understand what the true bible is i
Speaker 5won't say more than that amen thank you did you understand yes please what
Speaker 3is the true bible what is the bible the bible the bible is what the bible is the lord jesus what is it what is in the bible the word of god so in that day we will now know that to the ends of the earth a word of god has been passed and that word was a legislative body agreeing in the mind and in the spirit of jesus to go and do something do you know the cabinet of a nation do you understand cabinets yes please do you know the cabinet of this country yes please is it the president that decides the financial outcome of this country or it is the financial minister
Speaker 5it is the financial minister you are wrong
Speaker 3choose the other one the president you are wrong so what is the answer who decides the financial outcome of this nation both the
Speaker 5president both the president
Speaker 3and the financial minister so you can't blame the president and the financial minister only if something goes wrong who will we blame both of them both of them that is how come you have to understand the church the ecclesia it is the cabinet of jesus the people jesus is going to rule with take decisions with you have not been to in this church for long have you seen this one two three four people yes please you have not been to in this church for long have you seen this one two three four people whatever i say is my mind okay whatever i say is their mind but you know we go for meetings whatever i say is their mind but you know we go for meetings and not to the public we disagree but in our disagreeing we must finish with an agreement on what we have to do so our decision on what we have to do so our decision on what we have to do so our decision is my decision and my decision is their is my decision and my decision is their is my decision and my decision is their decision decision decision the only thing that we have is a veto and the only thing that we have is a veto and the only thing that we have is a veto and that is what jesus asked this is what we are going to do because this is what we are going to do because this is what we are going to do because he's jesus he's jesus he's jesus but he doesn't plan alone it is these but he doesn't plan alone it is these but he doesn't plan alone it is these people jesus wants to extend the breadth people jesus wants to extend the breadth people jesus wants to extend the breadth of his wings with of his wings with of his wings with so that the whole cosmic table can become so that the whole cosmic table can become so that the whole cosmic table can become emmanuel emmanuel emmanuel are you
Speaker 5okay yes please good
Speaker 3celebrate are you okay yes please good celebrate are you okay yes please good celebrate him he got it
Speaker 5him he got it him he got it thank you
Speaker 6shalom church shalom papa shalom uh papa i shalom church shalom papa shalom uh papa i shalom church shalom papa shalom uh papa i think think think i'm blessed by your administration i give i'm blessed by your administration i give i'm blessed by your administration i give god praise god praise god praise i believe that you are an inspiration i believe that you are an inspiration i believe that you are an inspiration when the bible talks about that when the bible talks about that when the bible talks about that the spirit of god is in a man to give the spirit of god is in a man to give the spirit of god is in a man to give him understanding him understanding him understanding i believe that that inspiration you are i believe that that inspiration you are i believe that that inspiration you are also embodiment of also embodiment of also embodiment of because in the middle of the night i because in the middle of the night i because in the middle of the night i read this same uh word read this same uh word read this same uh word about immanuel the land the wings and i about immanuel the land the wings and i about immanuel the land the wings and i was trying to grab my mind was trying to grab my mind was trying to grab my mind my mind around it but i think you have my mind around it but i think you have my mind around it but i think you have brought so much light to it brought so much light to it brought so much light to it though i have the name immanuel but you though i have the name immanuel but you You have opened me up to glorious dimensions of the truth. And God bless you. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You are not the imam.
Speaker 5Your name is a prophecy. You want to become like you.
Speaker 6You want to become like Christ. Your name is what?
Speaker 7One day you will bear our name.
Speaker 8Amen. Did you hear what Pastor Ima said? One day me, I will bear your name. You will be bragging. Then in that day, the truth, you imanos will emerge. And we will meet you. We don't know whether to call you imanos. Then we say, oh, this, that is imanos.
Speaker 6Okay. Thank you very much. My clarity that I am seeking from you is the church is also a glorious virgin. Or let's say, a woman. And in this case, we also know that the church is also a son. Yes. In Romans chapter eight. And I seek the clarity on the basis of. Let me help you.
Speaker 3The church is not the glorious virgin. Out of the church will emit the glorious virgin, the man child. Okay. Do you understand? Yes. The church according to scripture, depending on your revelation and your death has been revealed in three ages, but we know verbatim of two, the church in the wilderness and the church of this present age. That is how come the sun-colored woman has the moon under her feet, the gallant of 12 stars. And then the sun talking about the entirety of the world. He is always there Accusing the brethren And the courtroom of heaven Is always located in the holy place Not in the most holy place And that is the reason why The Bible says that When The angel stood at the right hand Of Joshua the priest To accuse him He said change his garments Where was Joshua the priest standing In the holy place Because that is the courtroom And that is how come he has a seat In the church He has a seat Do you know that when you go to court Your accuser has a seat Your accuser comes in There is a seat You will see Accuser Diabolos is there He has a seat there With a fire Pulling up files Accusing people Of their actions Their genealogies What your great grandfathers did That must be chargeable to you And all of that And the only means by which you overcome him Is by the blood And by the word of our testimony In the courtroom of heaven If you don't take advantage of that Man the devil will oppress you You will not be able to And the painful thing is that Anytime he goes to and fro And comes into heaven Then God will engage him Have you considered my servant to bed Because our people God is so proud of And they come up as discussions In the courtroom of heaven For what they are doing For promotion For increase For ranking So anytime you have to be promoted In the anointing And you have to be promoted In the ranking of the spirit Satan is aware So that he will buffet you That is how come a messenger of Satan Was now released Legally to buffet Paul Because he increased In the abundance of revelation Every time you receive a rise Or a raise in the spirit Know Satan is aware And he also sends a corresponding being A messenger from him To buffet you And he also sends a corresponding being And it is a throne room Court room affair And God is aware So when that happens Then God will now also increase your grace So that you are able to use that grace To handle it It is the same thing that happened with Peter When he had to now be promoted He said Peter I prayed for you Satan has requested And when you look at the word there It means he has pressed Legal charges against you In the courtroom of heaven And when you look at the word there So where is Satan Satan is in heaven Where is Satan He is on earth Where is Satan He is under the sea Where is Satan In the air These are his jurisprudences That is how come when you read the bible The bible said Watch here He said you have gone What To and fro Up and down Up and down Where is that up Heaven air And then under the earth To and fro The north, south, east and west Of the earth He has been To and fro And up and down Please read Job 2 verse 2 Job 2 the verse 2 And the Lord said unto Satan
Speaker 7From whence comest thou And Satan answered the Lord and said From going to and fro in the earth And from walking Up and down in it
Speaker 3Up and down in it Where is that Do you know that the sea is in the earth The sea is in the earth Is there a valley in the earth
Speaker 7Yes So he
Speaker 3walked up and down in it And then he went to and fro That's all that he's been doing Those are his He's always been When he was thrown out And then he appeared in heaven To press charges against Job So Satan people of God He walks himself into heaven But he has never entered The new Jerusalem Because in the new Jerusalem The gate does not permit anything that defile it
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