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Exclusive interview with "Wolfeye" Nashoba Naira | Wrassle Twins Podcast

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Exclusive interview with "Wolfeye" Nashoba Naira | Wrassle Twins Podcast

In this podcast episode, the hosts welcome independent wrestler Willow "Showba" Nara to discuss her career, inspirations, and advocacy. Willow, based in the Carolinas, shares how she connected with wrestler Mikey O'Shea through TikTok, leading to a fun and memorable match where she struggled not to break character. She cites Chyna and Awesome Kong as early influences, admiring their power and unapologetic presence, which shaped her own wrestling style. Willow emphasizes that her persona is not a gimmick but a reflection of her identity as an Indigenous woman, representing her people and raising awareness for MMIW—Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women. Her red handprint symbolizes the voiceless, allowing ancestors to speak through her, and she uses wrestling as a platform to demand justice and change. Her match preparation involves Indigenous drum music, which syncs with her heartbeat and fuels her intense, warrior-like entrance. She also recounts a protective moment at a show when she confronted a fan who acted inappropriately toward her daughter, showing her fierce maternal instincts. Willow encourages fans to stand up against injustice and highlights an upcoming event in Connecticut, where she hopes to connect with supporters. The hosts express admiration for her passion and the meaningful message behind her wrestling career.

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Are you ready? Light isn't gentlemen boys and girls Candidate the movies proudly Hey, it's patreon is Spotify and anywhere you listen The most handsome man on the internet Joe well, hello. It's good to see everyone Of course you got the ball beatie big night Yeah, we are your rassle rassle What he put Right here right here right here that big beautiful sign I'm able to already know but Joe we are joined by a wonderful guest Yeah Somebody that I have found over the past few months online ironically watching Mikey O'Shae videos Ladies gentlemen if you could please welcome our good friend of the show will find the showba Nara Everybody put your hands together Race the roof up race the roof up Well, if I thanks so much for joining us tonight. We really appreciate you guys having me on oh We're looking forward to have been excited about this since we were able to set this up Interviews us kind of a new thing for us a new avenue for us and I'm loving every second of it because our goal here I know you're kind of we're kind of all new to meet each other Our goal here at the rassle twins is everyone's talking about WWE everyone's talking about a w We want to try as we grow to shine a spotlight on independent wrestling because that's a lifeblood of pro wrestling Yeah, support your independent wrestlers like five So what we're all about Supporting us that's what's what's gonna help us get there so every every little bit counts So I appreciate you guys, you know Interviewing you know independent wrestlers and everything around the world so Thank you. We really appreciate you for taking the time to be with us I know it's not a small thing you could be doing anything You know, but we really appreciate you being here Time to hang out with us. It's it's appreciated. So you know it's podcasts with some wrestling podcasts rassle Yeah, I'm sorry rassle We're Southern based in the Carolinas in the beautiful Mid-Atlantic territory. It is not wrestling. It is rassling down here So Well, if I brought them up a second ago and I'm gonna kind of share a little story and how I became a follower of yours is Watching a match with you and Mikey O'Shea and Mikey O'Shea is one of my favorite Favorite wrestlers in the world Because he's so ridiculous him jack Vaughn and big trouble being bishop and even Richard holiday Believe it or some of my favorite guys because funny I don't care what Jim course of Cornette said funny is very much money if funny is money Mikey I really do I actually met him on tick-tock and then Find is that we got to talk and sit talk and we were both going to wrestle con and I said hey Well, I'm about to get booked for a company. You know how about we work each other see we get booked He's like make it happen. So I made it happen I got I'm in I absolutely freaking love him Who's making me the whole time I was in the rain That's a big question I'm on right so you got a guy like white goshay who's just naturally hilarious How hard is it because I was watching the match and I could see you try so hard about to break and Incredible performer don't get me wrong, but I can see you breaking from the time we started going So the company said just have fun with the match and that I didn't have to be you know I heal or it's like that so I was like all right So I see I didn't know what I mean I've seen his matches so I kind of know I did what to expect but being in the ring is all whole different story Being in the ring with him. Oh my gosh Grabbing him by the beard and then he was expecting me to say something back and he's like Fourth with it the whole time it was probably the most fun I've had in a match in a long time because as you can as you know a lot of my matches I'm always raw raw you know and You know it feels good to actually just have I mean I always have fun in my matches But that was like beyond fun Let him go so time Man, I love Mikey. I was so happy. I got to meet him and person hang out with him at Russell Conn So for that and get to be in the ring. I can't wait to see him again honestly That's awesome. I hope and I get the chance to meet him one day, but honestly, I'm looking forward to November At Russell K when we get to meet you face to face. Yeah, we'll even do the triple H picture So Just won't be as worth as much money unfortunately I have a funny story concerning a big trouble being bishop. So this last time we were around each other I was able to almost make him spit out his drink because I told him that his His finishing move you know as a choke slam. Yeah, I told him I was a slight. I'm gonna start calling it choke slam sandwich based on based on Nate's favorite Sandwich which is a peanut butter and bread sandwich So I call it the choke slam sandwich and Peanut butter on keto bread. Okay, there's no jelly and sugar like good to go Crunchy a choke slam sandwich. That's what it is So I gotta ask so what what made you get your Well before I ask what made you get your start? Let me ask when you were a kid when you were growing up Who are the wrestlers that inspired you to chase this fashion? Actually, what if you China would have been probably the very first female I actually watched during the attitude era to just the power of just Her parents she demanded attention without even doing anything to have that presence is like what I absolutely loved And she she didn't back down from nobody man or woman She just went in and did her thing she's set up to the boys because you know how a lot of guys think you know Oh, she's just a girl. She was like nah I'm not just a girl. I was like watch watch me do my thing That's what I love about her is our attitude that that's what I've always felt like since I was a kid growing up Because growing up it was always me my dad and my my brother for the most part and I was always in sports I was always hanging out with the dudes all the time. So I was always one of the guys So I always had that attitude about me. I always was being challenged all the time So China's add to kind of like match mine and another one was awesome con Yeah, yeah, so girls killed it in the ring That's another one bull mucano and awesome con where the other the other ones they used to watch too And that's where my movesets and my my presence of stuff at that kind of is based off of On top of obviously for key she and to tamper you know mixture of all theirs as well a lot of power Bearded while wrestlers and everything so yeah, you're making me so happy right now because the travel cheeks is one of my favorite wrestlers. Oh my god I hung out with him. I was at the Providence Police The Comic Con and Providence for the island Yeah, it's me up and he goes hey are you are you available by date? I said yeah, I was going by so it's one by we're sitting And someone made him a custom jacket and had his name in the back But I guess like the flap when you flap it the bottom of it up had a picture of cheeks And I was dying laughing All excited about the jack he's like, oh he's a look it and he would do that And then he walked over to the delby boys and he went hey guys Anyway, like flash them I was he was like a little he was like a freaking child and like it was awesome to see like how excited he was about that that merge but freaking That was that had me dying I would never wear another jacket to the rest of my life right because I would have to wear the cheeks like is cheeks, bro, you know Yeah, you know what's funny is that he made the joke about saying oh he's like how because we both can fit behind the table Yeah, they always put it too close to like the curtains stuff like that So we had table and then one of us had to get out to go you know to the bathroom or something like that He he we're like he would joke and pretend to be like excuse me excuse me what this speaks right in my face That's exactly how I met my wife You have heard listen listen Did you throw any ones? No You're gonna private dance you know I love I love keystone like he he's an amazing person I get in the top to him in person even online or whatever Um, I love sitting with him at like the pomecons and like picking his brain or her and him tell stories and stuff like that And like I've shown some of my videos and he'll like um Kind of critique it and stuff like that but I I just love listening to him because being able to listen to another wrestler, that's like a big set wrestler. It's different from listening to somebody that is like skinny and does all flipie, flipie, different styles, different attitudes and stuff like that. So come from a key see I actually love listening to what he has to say all the time. Yeah, yeah, I love big keys, man. I had the opportunity to meet him as well. And similar, you know, of course I didn't have all the interaction that you had, but definitely a kind person. A nice person to get to know and I would love this pencil tie with him. Yeah, he's actually got an event in Connecticut. He actually invited me to August 2nd at, I got to run down here. It's a rakeesh's entertainment presents the round table, a bonus streak through the Godfather's going to be there. Rakeesh's done there. Savio Vega and the God ones will be there on August 2nd at Cabaret Theater, more he can son Connecticut in a certain 7 p.m. to 11 p.m. They're going to do meet and read a Q and a. They're going to do stuff like that on top of their video podcasts. They know they go. If you want to plug that, please send us a flyer so that we can post it on the actual. I can do that. Yeah. I appreciate you. Yeah. Okay. You're on that. Yeah. Awesome. So with that inspiration, everything. Tell us how you started out with kind of got the ball rolling because I'm 35 and I'm getting ready to start my journey actually less than a week. So I'm 32 so not far behind. I've been where 11 years now, almost 12 years. And I started out, honestly, my first gimmick, I guess as a student when I first very, very started was I was actually a NYPD officer. How's my gimmick when I first started off with, but then over time, I'll say I found myself and I had a different name than I have now, but had to change it. And now I'm more fine to show, but not. And I've always been, it's not a character. It's always been me because a lot of people will have gimmicks or characters and a lot of people think that when people come out, a native gear, it's a character. They pretend no. It's more than a gimmick. It's more than a character. This is me 100% in and out of the ring. I represent my people. I represent me. I represent the culture, everything. Like I represent the abin acunation. And my people were from like Southern Canada, Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire. We're kind of spread out the most part. And I also represent MMIW, which stands for Missing Murdered Indigenous Woman. I don't know if you've ever heard of it, but people that read hand print, that's what the symbol is for. The color red is actually the color that our ancestors and the ones who have passed on can actually see. And the red hand print is over a mile so they can speak through us and we can speak for them and they can be heard. So that's why it's over our mouths. And my, this is where I get into my gimmick is. So once I put that red hand print on, they literally embody me and they speak through me. So they're here to not be forgotten. And then they're here to spread knowledge, they're here to spread, you know, their, their sadness, their pain, their anger, everything because they've been forgotten. Like I said, you know, Missing Murdered Indigenous Woman, there's literally thousands of us being found dead on the side of Riverside's bridges, everything yet you hear nothing about in news. There's nothing, there's nothing document. There's barely any of us even documented. And the laws and everything are different in the reservations and off reservations and there's a lot. It's just, it's terrible. Like we need help and I did where I literally doing our own, I'd explain. So we're really looking for our own people because the government is not doing that part. They're doing the bare minimum. They're not posting. They're not searching. They're not. They're doing barely anything until it's too late. So. Knowledge here. That's yeah, if you notice, like I said, news, you see nothing on it on the news. Newspapers, nothing is happening in Canada is happening in the United States. It's happening all over in every reservation. And it's, it's terrible. It is terrible. So when you see your bad handprint, that's what we're standing up for. We're trying to spread knowledge. There's different types of groups, MMIW, MMIWD, MMIW is like two feathers. Two feathers means like the gay community, LGBTQ community. Like there's different groups, but meaning all the same basically trying to spread knowledge of us being kidnapped off the reservations. It's terrible. So my gimmick can be looked at as a as a bad guy or as a good guy. But I'm going to stand strong for my people regardless of what the situation is. I want to make sure that we are heard. I want to make sure that I'm heard. Listen, how do people, I don't, of course, I'll do more research on what, what it is that we can do, right? But is there one organization that people can go to to learn more, not only learn more, but also help either through donations or volunteerism? You can start out with MMIW. There's lots of websites, groups, spread telling knowledge about it goes deeper on what they're about and everything. Okay. Like I said, there's different groups like MMIWG and whatnot, women and children and different branches of it. But MMIW will be a good start if you want to stop there. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you for that. It was just a channel later. That's the things. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. That sounds very spiritual, right? So with the red hand over the mouth and and your ancestors speaking through you, that's powerful. Okay. So what message do you hope your fans take away from that? What I hope they take away from that is that it stands strong and stand up for those who are in need. Do not stay quiet. If you see something that's wrong, you change it. You make it change. It's because you're one person doesn't mean you can't make that change. Yeah. Every action has a reaction. So one person can turn to two that can turn to thousands. We need more positivity in this in this world and it starts with one person. Yeah. Yeah. Restar as a group and not as one. Yeah. 100% agree. 100% agree. Wow. Stand by that. So I think it's a beautiful thing that while what the hand print represents is beautiful and painful at the same time. At that makes sense. What I am saying it. And if I say it weird, correct me. But I think it's a beautiful thing that represents pain, but also, you know, the beauty of the ancestry and everything. And I think it's beautiful that pro wrestling is an art form that is easily too easy to express that. Yeah. Wrestling has always been a way for those that are hurting those that are minorities or or going through something. Socially, those groups can really rally behind pro wrestling as a way to have their voice heard. We saw it with guys like the junkyard dog in the 80s and a lot of other marginalized group and wrestlers to Tonka represented that for a while in WWE. So I think it's a beautiful thing that we can continue that through this and through what you do. Yeah. Beautiful art form, you know, it really is an art like. And as an artist, like I just love to see the preparation and the grace that you all put into it. You know, so speaking of preparation, what what does your preparation look like for a match? I listen to my music, my, you know, all kinds of indigenous music. The drums always get me in the mindset. It's my heart bumping. My heart matches the drum every single time. And then once it's time for me to get up, I play in my head. And if you, if you're ever in the back and you see me standing at the current, I'm stepping, I'm stepping to the drum in my head. And that's when I come out and I start screaming. I do my whole, you know, let them hear me. I'm here. I always try to think of why I'm there. What's my purpose? What am I standing for? And I let that build up and ends up being heavy here. That's why when I scream, all that pain and everything comes out. I'm ready for war. I'm here. I'm not back and down. You know, that's why you can see the look of my eyes. I'm like, I'm ready. Let's go. I can go from from this from. So. All right, let's get things done. I will be so pumped to see you in person. Like for real, I will be so pumped to see that. Thank you. Yeah. No, because it's funny because people that's never seen me outside of character like this. I've been told that I'm very intimidating looking. Besides, you know, the big blood and whatnot. But like before you put that stuff on, they said that the way that I have like this blank stare. Because I guess I do this like they call it the 10,000 year stare. Why I'm legit just doing this. I just space out and I'm zoned in. They said that I'm intimidating looking in their fridge. Talk to me. So and then then they meet me outside for once like without the face pain and everything else and they're like, oh, you're okay. Cool. Shit. Oh, you're not what I expected. I was like, I was like, well, don't piss me off. I was like, be nice. Well, I say on my face, I give you some loaded nachos that helps you. You know, hey, why did nachos could solve a lot of problems these days? Yes, yes, definitely. But yeah, no, I told him I was like, I, you know, if you know me outside of wrestling, everything like that, like I'm still laid back, you know, I can be funny. If you mess with my family alone. ones I don't like you cross a line that's which will hit real quick I'm not your temporary mom I'm not your everyday mom you know I handle business line need to so. So take your babies you know. Exactly I don't mess with my kids so. Yeah I feel that in my soul. I know you do. I know you do and I feel the same way about my needs you know. Yeah because I actually had an incident at a show years back and he was it was one of those shows where you can drink and whatnot. And this guy had a little too much in the show hasn't even started yet. And my child was out there with a bunch of other kids you know out in the front near the guardrail. I'm in the back you know I'm already ready and all of a sudden you know my daughter doesn't always come to my shows because a lot of them were too far away or whatever but this time she was with me and a security guard told me that she needed me. Mind you normally when she comes she doesn't normally need me. She's good. So I came out with my hood on so nobody recognized me and I I approached down to my child I was like I was like what's wrong she goes oh that guy is being kind of weird you know he's trying to kiss my hand and listen to that I was like who and then I turned around the guy's so my face he's like oh he's trying to be all friendly and I was like back up I was like no no no no all they're going to back up and he's like why are you gonna be like that I was like are you over here being appropriate to my kid and all these other children staring at them and looking at them and trying to kiss their hands and stuff like that because like we're we just friends right and he's trying to hand my child a $10 bill I grabbed that $10 bill through in his face I was like you get it back up now I was like stay away from these kids stay away from my kid and that's when like everyone's eyes are on me mind you I was a bean face back then so I'm not trying to get in trouble with the company I'm not trying to put eyes on me in a wrong way that's baby face that's baby face behavior it is by the way protecting the baby you to the business so I thought I was gonna get in trouble because it got worse from that point so the guy was trying to call me a b word listen that I was like a b I was like I'm a b I really I don't know if I can surround him I'm not sure I'm trying to get in trouble you could say all the words oh okay he's like well you being a bitch for and this now I'm not trying to be a bitch I was like I'm a mother and this that's what comes first I was like you mess with my kid or any of these kids I was like you're dealing with me and he's like and you try to shove me away he's like no you you get out of here no whatever he shoved me I shoved him back he tried to swing I ducked it I got I popped him one and the security came over grabbed him and threw him over the over the hill into the parking lot so I'm like to leave and the whole crowd was like yeah I'm like I'm gonna get fired oh my god I'm gonna get fired so I go in the back and the owner goes to me I was like I was like I'm sorry sir he's like for what I was like I didn't you know that probably should have done he's like no you're fine he's a you did the right thing he's like if anything that's gonna make things better for your max later on I was like oh what a weird world wrestling is right yeah so that that happened this is my this is my daughter little wolf yeah it's nice but yeah so I don't like stuff like that happens from time it's okay try to fix my hair I'm in a fire oh that's so sweet soon a bit okay we finished this up yeah so that happened and I don't normally bring her to shows but that one time happened and now I'm just like I don't really even say her name in front of people because she knows that the people that Julie are friends with me know her actual name and people don't call her will fight so just to protect her yeah we saying like I don't have I've got a decent following on a couple of places but uh in the rattle twins and stuff I'm very careful about what my daughter's on because like I'm trying to grow this and say what you want to about me I don't care I had a guy that saw a video of me on the news recently he just said I couldn't fit in the frame fat jokes whatever cool the minute you say something about my kid gloves come off so I completely respect that because that's I think that's what we should do is parents protect our kids from this as much as we can because while online should be safe for kids we all know that it isn't so you know I respect I think you did the most baby face thing in the world is standing up for the babies because yeah like even even with kids that aren't mine I'm very protected with them like yeah be me playing with the kids at the shows and stuff like that like I like I love kids I mean I'm a mom too so I mean that's but I was not arresting majority like I was saying 98% of my jobs I used to have world with kids of all agents so I am very protective when I come to any kids like your kids are in good hands I promise yeah I mean that kind of goes back to the conversation we had earlier about me and my debut it's not just grown women it's young women and everything else and women as a whole this is and this is something Joe and I've talked about already before this is me and most of our audience is me and just gonna say this off the rip if you make them feel safe you will be fine by the minute if you see somebody step into the side on the elevator or trying to avoid you it is okay for them if you'll say just leave it at that right then that goes to the night on the room it's a very smart and they know when there's danger even sometimes before we even know it yeah they can sense things sometimes that we don't so I will say I have felt safest with my kid at the independent wrestling shows I've spoken her too partially because I'm there also her uncle's there so it's not yeah you know two pretty big guys yeah yeah yeah so yeah I mean you know it's being indigenous you know we stick up for each other but we also stand up for what's right too so there's another saying I used to say is native blood or not you know everyone's got to worry with themselves matter of finding it and using it and stand up for those who need it most that's what I've been staying for years then I still believe it's this day so again native blood or not we're all worried within ourselves no matter what we do with it with that power we have within ourselves use it for good use it for change you know and everything that's why I would appreciate that I'm inspired I appreciate that you said inspired but I promise you for a second I heard expire and I'm like it's a slow expired it's been a week okay well if I you've been doing this for 11 years yes I have so I'm sure you have some stories and I don't want to get no funny in trouble okay but what is the funniest thing you can share with us here and I put you on the spot you did I got I got a story so this is like a rich story so I was up in Maine for a company and this is when I was like a lot younger and I think as I can name names or company names whatever but so what happened was there was this new guy he was kind of ball-busting everybody and was kind of like he was like nervous and excited same time and he kind of had like a slight choppy attitude too and he was kind of getting on everyone's nervous a little bit so this one person goes and grabs boots and tie it in a tree it's I think his boots in a tree outside the building the kids the kids matches like there's still three matches left until his match comes up and he's panicking he's running everywhere where are my boots I can't find them everywhere this kid's about to cry out and I'm like I was like do I tell him I was like oh I was like hey let me let me talk to you outside real quick so I'm over it's all right it was like hey you know you need to calm down or whatever kind of hinting at him it's right there kids still not looking that way so I'm like how about we say in this like so what would you do for your match you know whatever try to get him to look without me like you know being the snitch that's okay it's right there okay fine it finds it climbs the tree goes to take the boots down and he ripped his his wrestling pants oh no so now does now he has a ripped like it was up like under his like blood blood she was like great there and he's like what am I gonna do he's like panicking people worse because now he's trying to get his boots on and now he's gonna tear in it and someone's like just use duct tape so here he goes use duct tape and his duct tape is left thigh and obviously he's a black crack crack throwing his thigh his poor kid he was like ready to cry and it was his hilarious here I think that was just a north care a lot of fix yeah another story we all went out to eat afterwards and this kid the same kid you know we you don't leave your food untouched and left without you know supervision this kid left his plate we had two like those uh many white brothers one of your palm and uh he left them and he's like I gotta use the bathroom mind you where I'm on those seats says like uh like a you shape and he's in the middle no one moves he crawled under the table so you can go use the restroom you You want to go to the restroom? left one of the veterans took the bun off and put a ton of salt all over his burger like a mound of it Put the bun back on. Here comes back See and he's like excuse me nobody moves. He had a call back under the table He wasn't since it was eat the burger in the face that he had It was hilarious. It was priceless with a big mound of salt. He's like Oh my god, it made me gag. I'm like I'm like And the kids tried to be tough and eat the whole burger. I'm like, you know, I was like dude, you didn't have to do that I was like that was gross I feel my blood pressure going up I feel my blood pressure going up blood pressure is rising Yeah, no, that was those are some of that pop up in my mind right now So I have a question for you Out of any opponent that you've ever had in a match Which one do you feel change your career the most? I would say vicious bicky honestly Because this is before she had the WWE try out and everything. This is like great before right? This is what I'm gonna have you WF in New York and the Bronx and my first time ever even meeting her You know she was foolish shit and everything and Once we got in the ring she's like, oh, yeah, I do hardstyle. I didn't know what that was at the time I'm like okay, whatever So I thought I was aggressive wrestler More aggressive than I was it's who's really laying her hits and I'm like that kind of open my eyes to oh Okay, it's okay to lay really lay your hits in because a lot of companies see share females to be dainty and all it means that That's when I was at but like I'm used to working girls that are dainty and don't really feel their hits much So like I feel like I'm gonna break on half the time but then when I finally got through wrestled vicious vicky Choose laying her hits is I mean I'm going at it pop pop pop slamming like you're going hard and ever since I worked here My my style wrestling has been nothing but vicious and like I've always been like that But she made me amp my my work ethic even more she made me push myself more You know me things look more realistic without like actually like you know killing people and Honestly, like I think her that she's one of the people that maybe open my eyes up to a whole new you know way of doing things in the ring That's great. It's it's great to meet people who let you know that you're selling angel selling You know me yeah, because a lot of times like I was wrestling girls that were a lot smaller me So I mean I was able to throw these girls around but when I was able to step toe-to-toe her that was a lot of fun To be challenged and you know be actually hit you know and everything it it changed everything so I Definitely thank her and I can't wait to step in the ring with her again I keep telling her every time I see her I saw our wrestle a wrestle on in a big is in I so I was like oh my god We haven't seen each other in years and it was so good to see her I hugged her we're talking like we got getting the ring together again She's like hell yeah, you know, but she's always busy and doing her thing. I'm proud of her though. I really am proud of her That's awesome. Yeah, makes me think of the old uh bull in a conno and Medusa matches those ladies were those ladies were the lady in a man And that's what I like to see because what I like now about women's wrestling is that we're finally at a place to where it's almost It's getting the respected deserves woman again taking more seriously not just Finally, which has been right finally like as a as a dad to a little girl I'm proud to let my kid watch wrestling now for the ladies You know her first swear word was when we y'all come out there got a laminated from a royal rumble You know, it's cool to actually have that now so He'd know as females being taken months for years We haven't and we just been looked at as you know sex objects and everything else and I'm hoping you know I know I'm not skinny many of them hoping I can help change that or help add to the change That's happening in the in the woman's division, you know everywhere. Well, that's kind of what we need right Representate representation matters whether it be race Ethnic backgrounds different sizes and everything like Anaya jacks or a piper niven to me are are like two of my favorite ladies in the ring right now Not one of my favorite growing up because she was different like we can celebrate different now. Let's do that Yeah, that's what we need because a lot of the females that all look the same. They're all like barbie looking like they're skinny And just diva type and it's they're all the same as annoying. It's like we need Change variety different attitudes, you know different styles. It's like they're all kind of blend together now And it's like can't tell the difference anymore. So we don't think the women's division is heading next though Like what like what do you think is going? I mean like we're saying. I mean, I think it's going in In a good path because like I say the woman being taken more seriously. There's more matches We're not really getting looked at as sex objects anymore Where having matches that are brutal and we're just hammering on each other at this point Like we're actually looking like legit wrestlers now. Yeah, we're not trying to look cute for the cameras We're not trying to you know get the males attention during our matches like it's legit wrestling And that's what we need so we're starting to get more wrestlers are take that when everyone takes it seriously, but we're getting wrestlers. I look like that's it Yeah, with that said you have your choice between any major wrestling promotion male or female Whoever you want you get to pick one opponent For a dream match Who do you pick and why? We're really right off the bat Real I would love to work her because of how First of her attitude. I love her attitude. She doesn't back down from nobody She throws her head she's rough. She does what it takes you know, she's she's I would love to learn from her and getting the ring Bring with her honestly. I would love that She she would be the first person right off the bat for a male There's a lot of them honestly um I mean, I would love to learn from a t-shirt. I know a t-shirt. She mentioned about his school and But that'll that'll happen one day. I just gotta Actually make it happen, but if Eddie Guerrero was still alive. I would have loved to have a match with him He's so charismatic He's very animated and very like His matches like the psychology is ridiculous like I love it the way he thinks is like all the bots and like I would love to if he was alive I would have loved to sit in the ring with him. He could just stand there in the crowd would react Yeah, no facial expression or nothing just stand there. He's so Like I love it. You don't get a lot of wrestlers like that anymore And you were talking about China earlier. It's kind of the perfect time too because his mama sita I love it back in the day That was fun. That was a fun that's storyline if I could I honestly would if a company wants to book it freaking book it. I would totally do it You know what rwa half-winter with Carolina julian listen to me brother You got rocky rayoffs right now The latin sensation himself All right, he doesn't talk about it or at all But I think you could pull it off. I think he could pull it off with four five. Yeah, we're really looking at you brother book it You got the btw. You got dot coming. Let's go Yeah, so I'm definitely trying to put you on You know, I'm looking to get bugs and new new states new towns new companies so you know You guys can follow me on facebook instagram tick-tock x. I'm on all of it on the show I will find a show banana Feel free to hit me up because I love To branch out so I've been mostly overly exposed. I've been to canada portorico. I've been down south the Texas Florida I've been to indiana Tennessee, Montana and North Dakota Um, obviously Vegas now I'm going I want to branch out more. I want to I want to conquer the world Yeah, you see you in Japan next. Yeah, I'd love to go to Japan honestly work start them Yeah, you know, I love new Japan wrestling so much. There's something that they didn't know about me Nate, but I love Newspaper I know you love you. I know you love you. New Japan. I love new Japan and where's the twins? Yeah I was so happy to get my chaos got to go out there. I've wrestled her a couple of times and of course she went out there and Now now me and her wanted like go out again. We're supposed to get booked for a company that was in canada But something happened, but me and her were getting so excited So long since we've been in the ring together last time we were in a 10 by 10 ring Which was crazy We're it was me her and the rep and we're like messing with the rep because obviously we were both two big girls Wrestling each other and there's no ring because you know, it takes two steps for us to step across our thing like It was that it was like on a bar type show so we were brawling like everywhere It like I love working her. She's another beast another monster. I freaking love getting in the ring with man. That's so cool - Listen, Montana, that's the state that I have not been to. What did you think about Montana? - I love there was like stepping back in time. It was like frozen time. It was crazy. 'Cause after we set up like the ring and everything, they brought me into town, which had like barely anybody in the out world. It was like no one in sight. There was maybe like three cars in sight. And I'm like, look at her eyes. I was like, "Is all the. " - I was like, "We're ready to move." - I stood out living in town. And I was like, "Are you serious?" 'Cause I'm dead serious. That's why I have these stores on clothes right now. And I was like, "Oh." So we walked into where it looked like a saloon. Like an old school back in the day. I thought I stepped through time. I thought I was going crazy. Because you know how those country movies where there's a long table, they have that. A country cowboy hat. So you have to smoke and everything. If that's the cigars and they're playing cards. - Yeah. - Exactly the cigars that walked right into it. I'm like, "Yeah." The bars, the bars that I go like this. I had like all the original old school back in the day. Country typical look. And everything's wood. They had the heads of animals, whatever. And the skulls. And I'm walking in. I'm like, "That's a step from time." Like, "What's this happened?" And I'm looking around. This is so cool. I have it on my TikTok somewhere. I gotta find it. But that video I posted a long time ago. And that was like the coolest experience ever, honestly. - So if you see me, you know, on your TikTok, you know, I'm scrolling looking for that. - Yeah. - But what scroll like, "Share, do whatever you want to do." That's what they're there for. And again, again, we're on there. - Well, we're going to make sure you're followed on the rassletweins socials. I think you already are. We're going to double check that and make sure I've only got a couple more questions for you because I know, you know, you gotta be mom. I gotta be dead. All those fun things, right? - Yeah. - But I got the most handsome uncle. - The most handsome uncle on the east coast. - My man texted me earlier. He said he was going to go back to sleep. I said, "Well, don't take any beauty sleep because you're already stealing all the handsome from me." - Okay. - So I'm looking for you this time. - Thank you. - Thank you. - I'm going to be a little bit more handsome. - I'm looking for you this time. - Thank you. Thank you. So we are working through some incredible stuff and wrestling. I know there's a lot of, the internet is just rough, right? The IWC always has an opinion. But from what I see when I actually watch as somebody who is somewhat of a historian that just loves the sport so much, I find that the internet is wrong. More often than not. But what is your worst experience with the IWC since you've been wrestling? - IWC. - Internet wrestling community. - Oh, okay. My worst experience. I mean, I haven't really had terrible experience. It was just some of the comments of like, this stupid video went viral of me doing the same face. And literally there's almost a million views on it once I got posted. And I've went from 600 followers to now almost 7,000 followers because that one video. - Congratulations. - Whatever brings them to the dance, right? - Whatever works, right? Whatever brings them up. - Yeah, it's just the comments on it. Some of them are kind of wild. And I don't get messages too often that are inappropriate. But there was one where it's like, oh, how much to receive that type of treatment. And I'm like, I'm like, what's your message to Rikishi? - Like, that's like, I'm not, yeah. Like the whole conversation we had before about being sexualized, like, I'm not here for that. I'm here to wrestle. Like, I take this business seriously. Like, that's why my gear. - My gear isn't all like skimpy and everything like that. Like, I'm preserved in a way the best I can because I am a big girl, but you know, whatever it is, but you know, I don't want to be shown off as a piece of me. I don't be shown off as eye candy. And I was like, that I'm here to wrestle. I'm here to, I mean, business. So like, when I get comments like that, it just makes me cringe. I'm like, get away from me. - Okay. - Oh, no. But, yeah, no. I like, I want to be taken seriously as a wrestler and not be looked at as like a sex object. I guess not what I'm here for. - Yeah. - I want to make it to WWE or AEW. Whatever opportunity comes my way, I'm taking it. And I'm going to work hard to move up in it. And I'm going to spread knowledge about my W. I'm going to represent my people proudly, you know, that's what I'm here for. I'm here to make a statement. I'm here to support me, my family, and top of that, as well when it comes to wrestling. And if I can make it to WWE, that's my main goal. But I think it's a AEW. I'm still going to push my way up, up and hopefully to WWE. - To the moon. - To the moon. - No, this is nowhere but, that's my goal. - Yeah, the, the big, I do want to help my people the best way I can. But like I said, it's running awareness, even if I can help donate towards the reservations. I know some of the reservations out here are not doing too good. If I can make a change for my people somehow, I will find a way, you know, if I ever make it to WWE, that's my goal. Is it make a change? - Absolutely. Yeah. - So what's something that people would be surprised to learn about you? - Um, that's a good question. I don't fight much, I promise. I'm very, I'm very artsy. I can make a lot of my merch. And I'm like, friends, is this is all hit by me and I'm still working on it. - Wow. - We'll put that on. Yeah, I'm still working on the industry right now. - That's fire. - And I make my own merch. Like this is a joke where I'm currently working on right now. And I sell these at my table. I got these here. I make handmade jewelry. I make a heated hot. I got hats. - Oh yeah, I like that. - So like I can make a lot of my stuff. And I even got two shirts now, which just came out. So this is fairly new. - Okay, listen, when I see you, I'm getting one. - So yeah, like I do custom work, I do painting. Like I do a little bit of everything. Like I'm very artsy, very hands on when it comes to a lot of stuff. So I'm kind of quiet. You know, I know it seems like I'm very like I'm always out doing stuff and everything. But honestly, I like to just be in my room and my bed just away from everything. I just like to be in my own quiet space sometimes. And my what's it called social battery can drain pretty quickly times. - Yep. - So yeah. But yeah, another thing is I love, I actually love my load of nachos. I'm actually knowing worldwide from my love of nachos to the point where I used to go to shows and get to my room. And there'd be load of nachos waiting for me in my room. - Wow. - I'm in my bridge, the image candidate up in Canada when I was wrestling. Let me see. I guess, John tell up there. I think it was a couple years back and like companies just just leave snacks for me. I love my food. I'm a foodie. So very much appreciate it. - Awesome. - Yeah. - So you were talking about being an introvert. I'm very much introverted as well. There's something that I often say. Introverts unite separately in your own homes. - Yeah. - My daughter is actually probably in her room right now in a tab like, because she was just playing with a bunch of kids. Now she's just on her own just kind of, I guess, recharging her bag. She's a lot like me. - Yeah. Yeah. My bed will leave and you'll see it on my face. - Yep. Yeah. Because like, I'll be smiling. I'm like, can we go home? - Right. - I was going home and sleep. Take my nap. I love naps. That's another thing. I'm a queen of naps. So love naps are essential. You know, I wish I had known that when I was a kid. Yeah. You see how I am in the ring. Imagine me without a nap. I don't want to imagine it. I'm a little scared. and as soon as he'd power down and kinda just breathe. (laughs) - All right, we good, we everyone's good. Everyone's safe for all of that. And there's a video I posted on my TikTok recently where a guy actually I met on a TikTok and he came to the show and he goes, "You know what's better than nachos? "He goes not sharing." And he goes, "You know what's to walk away "and I grab them." And he starts screaming and he goes, (laughs) (laughs) And I told him to put the food down. I took his food. (laughs) He took the play me. I was like, "Uh-uh." I was like, "Nope, I'll let the food's mine now." (laughs) - You tell him, "Food's mine." - Mine now, you're gonna tease me with that and say, "Anything's better than nachos?" This is nothing better than nachos. (laughs) Out of your mind. - That's a good call. - Yeah, I think that's, I mean, I can't think of anything else that would be a surprise than anybody that I can think of at the moment. I mean, I'm just, I'm part Abanaki and part Samoan. I don't know too much of my Samoan side, but I was raised on my native side. So this is me, 100%. And my chin tattoo a lot of people ask about my chin tattoo. I got it traditionally done. I don't know if you can see it, but I got the three lines right here. I stands for the right opacity protection from the enemies and social maturity is what it stands for. And I have a bunch of other tattoos over my body. I have a tattoo on my right thigh. I have a gene catcher. It's got my daughter's name on it. I carry her with me everywhere I go. And then I have a band around my left leg with two feathers. And I would have had a son many years ago and I lost him. So I carry them with me everywhere I go. And they keep me going each and every day. And I have a tattoo on my side here of flowers. Sometimes you can see it when I'm wearing my gear sometimes not. That is a vine from my ninnah that passed away when I was a kid. I was very close and I used to walk in the garden with her and I carry her with me everywhere too. I got a skull on my hands. I have PTSD and stuff. So it's just a reminder it's not be scared anymore. Yeah. Everything to say strong. My travel chest piece. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. So there's a lot of symbolism in that chest piece. Every little design has a meaning behind it like strength, leadership, courage. It means every little thing for protection. You know, you know, like I said leadership. There's like a bunch of like symbolism on it. I just got a bunch of little tattoos in there. But I am actually training to be a tattoo artist. So maybe one day you guys can get a tattoo from your favorite wrestler. So yeah, and I only have six tattoos. So I definitely have more room for more. We need more. Yeah. We need more. I'm training to be a tattoo artist myself. I've already been starting practicing on the big skins and stuff. So I'll find it that going. And that'd be kind of cool if I said you're in tattoos at shows. Yeah, that would be cool. I would let you tattoo me. I'm out of the wrestling. But I was like, I was like, I was. I'm a big guy. I'd be taking like three hours and they'd be shading. So my longest tattoo I did five hours straight. Wow. And that was my chest piece. Yeah. Yeah. So it was cool. Wow. I was like, are you sure? I was like, yeah. I was like, why not? And he's like, I don't know. He's like, he's going to be sure you don't want to break. I was like, nope, I'm going to keep going. I want to do this. I'm good. This one almost made me tap out. That's a sense of a spot too right there. Yeah. That one about made me tap out. Like I was like, I'm done. I quit. They were like, no, you can't quit. We are acting in the middle of it. Like my left tattoo like I was always around my thigh even on the inside. And I remember that I was kind of sensitive too, but I kind of ate the bullet. And I was like, keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Yeah. I'm not that over. Yeah. I got a video. I got a video of when I got the test piece. That's you'd have to scroll quite a bit on that one, but. Yeah, I got like little finger tattoos. As well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I got a part of it. I plan on getting more tattoos on the back of my neck and my shoulders. That's my next spot I want to get. Get them. So yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. That's awesome. I'm working on a half sleeve right now. So we'll get there. That's another one. I was going to get a whole sleeve. I'm just trying to be. Shoesy with what I put on there. Yeah. Add on to this and have it grow on the side. This side. I'm not sure what I want to get yet. I can see that it's like your very cognizant of everything. Everything has to have a meaning. Everything. Yeah. Yeah. The spiritual meaning or just a meaning in general, something that represents you or a history of your own. Because like when you pass on and someone finds like our bodies in the future, whatever, it tells our story. Right. So that's that's the tattoo. I know a lot of people just get tattoos just for the hell of it. And you know, they're just meaningless. But with me, I make sure they mean something or show a piece of me. Yeah. Everything. So tell us a story. That's super cool. When you heard this day that actually means hello or greetings in my language. Oh wow. Lune or Hawaii is high. Oh, we here. Hawaii. If you hear Lune, it's so. That's cool or something new today. But why? We learned a lot of techniques today. Yeah, I'm trying to I'm trying to learn the language because I was never taught the language. So I'm trying to teach myself and study it as well. So I can speak it. And I can also speak it. There are no matches and stuff like that. That'll be really awesome. That all of it is so different because they have an infinity side. And I'm sorry, not infinity. They have an eight sign as a letter. And it has a different sound. It's a lot different from, you know, the English alphabet and the sounds and everything like that. And it's a lot to it. That is very interesting. I would like to know more about that one day as well. I'm a I love languages. I speak three myself. English, Spanish and French and I dabble in other languages as well. Like Hebrew and Greek and you know things like that. So yeah. Being a poly. I'm a little French. I'm a bell. Not sure why not. I know a little bit Spanish. Hola, cumulsa. I know a little bit. Not have a full conversation, but I know a little bit to have a little something. Yeah, you know enough to get by. I speak English and Southern. Oh really I WC company I just wrestle for. Uh, there was the rest of that spoke only Spanish and those girl that was bilingual that spoke Spanish and she would translate. But I was trying to piece things together from like what I knew. I wait for her to confirm what I knew, and I try to speak it back. So it's like I'm trying to learn all these languages. So I can't communicate. You know, so I don't you know feel bad and I'm like, would you soon like like I want to be bilingual and like, you know, especially if I'm going to be traveling and stuff like that. You're going to have whenever Nate and I, whenever there's like a Pete like a PLE or like a pay review or whatever Nate or Travis or both will come over to my house to watch it. And of course, you watch it in English, but if I'm watching it by myself, I'm watching it in Spanish. Well, they're commentators are so much more fun. They are. I take it anything away from Michael Cole, Wade Barrett, Booker T, any of those guys, but the Spanish commentator. Raho do it. I remember when I was wrestling Puerto Rico, I absolutely loved it there. Like the energy and everything, like how they commented it, like I loved it. I loved it. Just like he was saying, like the R rolling and everything. I've been sitting at the curtain. I'm like, I'm not quite sure what they're saying. I hear you and they're like, Oh, he called me out. And I was on the head. I'm like, and he had like the horns and stuff like that. It's so much the energy out there is crazy. I was like, nah, just what I this way I first said it. Nah. Nah. Yeah. I have to ask every interview. So I just got in. It was my last question I want to bug you with tonight. What is your Mount Rushmore professional wrestlers? Like I would say, Bull Macano, awesome con. Yeah. I think it's. I would say to talk about. I think. Yeah. I'll show Michael. Throw in show Michaels for an honorary mission. I already grow. Those of you that three, I would, I don't know which I would switch with. I know that it's a hard. I know those would be definite, but. Yeah. I'm not. I'm not sure. Yeah. Like when it comes out of that, the only ones that stay pretty much the entire times are my top two and that's thing and make. Crowley. Sometimes the other two, they switch around, you know, from time to time, depending on how I'm filling that day. So. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So you're good, Nate. I'm good. I'm wrapped up. I'm. I'm gonna do a little bit of it. Thank you. TikTok on the show banana or we'll find a show banana you can always message me for a merch like I said I hand make merch I can do custom work as well feel free to hit me up for questions. I don't bite much But yeah, you hit me up on there and yeah that's What I would say to my fans like I said earlier Everyone's got a war with themselves matter of finding it and usually getting sent it out for those who need it most And just just one action pause a reaction and you're not just one person that one person can make a Pause a reaction that can change the world so absolutely. That's real. That's real. Thank you so much for your time Hopping on with us tonight. It's a it's a true pleasure guys if you don't get a chance to see Wolf Island before the fall That's okay. She's gonna be here in North Carolina in Winston-Salem At Wrestlecade ladies and gentlemen see you better goodbye Come say hello to her and you're gonna be truly grateful because she's an incredible wrestler and a very kind person. Thank you so much Ladies gentlemen that has been the Wrestle Twin's podcast. I've been Nate. I've been Joe and this has been Wolf Island And we appreciate you and we will see you very soon and have a contastic day Love you guys. Peace.

Podcast Summary

Key Points:

  1. The podcast hosts interview independent wrestler Willow "Showba" Nara, highlighting their mission to promote independent wrestling alongside mainstream WWE coverage.
  2. Willow shares her experiences wrestling comedic performers like Mikey O'Shea and Big Trouble, emphasizing the fun and challenge of maintaining composure in the ring.
  3. She cites Chyna and Awesome Kong as major inspirations, drawn to their power, presence, and refusal to back down.
  4. Willow explains her wrestling persona is deeply personal, rooted in her Indigenous heritage and advocacy for Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women (MMIW), symbolized by a red handprint over her mouth.
  5. Her pre-match preparation involves listening to Indigenous drum music, visualizing her purpose, and channeling ancestral pain into her entrance.
  6. She discusses a confrontation at a show where she protected her daughter from an inappropriate fan, showing her fierce maternal side.
  7. Willow promotes an upcoming event in Connecticut, inviting fans to meet her and other wrestlers.

Summary:

In this podcast episode, the hosts welcome independent wrestler Willow "Showba" Nara to discuss her career, inspirations, and advocacy. Willow, based in the Carolinas, shares how she connected with wrestler Mikey O'Shea through TikTok, leading to a fun and memorable match where she struggled not to break character. She cites Chyna and Awesome Kong as early influences, admiring their power and unapologetic presence, which shaped her own wrestling style.

Willow emphasizes that her persona is not a gimmick but a reflection of her identity as an Indigenous woman, representing her people and raising awareness for MMIW—Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women. Her red handprint symbolizes the voiceless, allowing ancestors to speak through her, and she uses wrestling as a platform to demand justice and change. Her match preparation involves Indigenous drum music, which syncs with her heartbeat and fuels her intense, warrior-like entrance.

She also recounts a protective moment at a show when she confronted a fan who acted inappropriately toward her daughter, showing her fierce maternal instincts. Willow encourages fans to stand up against injustice and highlights an upcoming event in Connecticut, where she hopes to connect with supporters. The hosts express admiration for her passion and the meaningful message behind her wrestling career.

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The guest is a professional wrestler named Willow, also known as Nara, who represents her Indigenous heritage and the MMIW movement.

The red handprint represents MMIW, which stands for Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women. It is placed over the mouth so the ancestors can speak through the wrestler and be heard.

The wrestler hopes fans stand strong for those in need, speak up against wrongdoing, and understand that one person can create change. She emphasizes positivity and unity.

She was inspired by Chyna for her presence and attitude, as well as Awesome Kong and Bull Nakano, who influenced her power-based moveset.

She started about 11-12 years ago with a gimmick as an NYPD officer, but over time found herself and changed her name. She now performs as herself, not a character.

She listens to Indigenous music, especially drums, which helps her get in the mindset. She visualizes her purpose and lets the pain and anger build up before coming out ready for war.

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