Exclusive: Ed Sheeran's Cousin Jethro Brands Him a 'Snake' & 'Coward'

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A bit, yeah. Yeah. I think you're a bit silly yourself. Well, Ed Sheeran returned to the stage at the weekend. His first performance since the Macklemore Free Palestine controversy became a global debate. Here's what he told the crowd. I'm feeling all of my friends and family and people I know abandon me, and I look at the end of the week and I see 50,000 people who haven't abandoned me. Well, many have speculated that Ed's friends and family reference may have been about his former collaborator and cousin, Geoffrey Sheeran, who berated the singer as a coward on social media. It's a feud that maybe even the UN might struggle to settle, but let's have a go. Geoffrey Sheeran joins me now. Well, Geoffrey, welcome to Unsensitive. Thank you very much for having me. It's a pleasure. I'm a big fan of your show. Thank you. Just for those who don't know the exact relationship, your first cousins, your fathers, are brothers. Exactly that. And in the early days, you were both musicians, and you had a good relationship. Yes. How would you categorise it? I was living in Bristol. I was making hip-hop music. He was doing more folky guitar stuff. We came together. We joined forces to make a label called Urban Angel, which I have still today. And we were performing together, and I took him on stage for the first time. I took him to the studio for the first time, and then he just kind of went his own way. You know, he was doing all my shows. He was supporting me there. And then he kind of went and just blew up, and then just completely left everything that we'd built behind. But not only that, took everything down, 48 songs, many that he wasn't featured on from Spotify and Apple, blamed his manager, blamed his lawyers and his record label. And then my lawyer finally got a response saying, "Ed Sheeran. He requested and instructed us to take down these songs." So, of course, I was very disappointed in him. And seeing what he did to Macklemore, I believe that he kicked him off that show. I believe he did it with his team, and then he blamed the promoter. And the promoter went, he did a Scooby-Doo, like, "It was you." I mean, we don't have evidence for that. And it's clear that Robert- It's my own personal opinion. Right. I mean, Robert Kraft, who is the owner of the stadium, Yeah. has not denied that it was him saying, along with other stadium owners, we're not going to allow these shows to happen with Macklemore. But you think it was Ed Sheeran- I do think that because he's done it to Wiley. There's evidence and, you know, he's dropped Wiley in, back in the day, there's evidence on One Extra where Wiley's wiling out on BBC Radio. He left Scorched, the whole grime scene myself. We built him up and he turned his back on all of us. So- When you hear him say that, you know, he's been let down by family and friends, Yeah. a lot of people said, "Well, he's probably talking about you." Maybe, but I- Because you came out and you did criticize him publicly. You called him a coward. Yeah, I did, yeah. I mean, for someone who's your cousin, to publicly brand him on social media a coward is a very strong thing to do. Yeah, it's because I've witnessed him being a coward for almost 10 years and lying. And that's just my own truth. I'm here to tell the truth and it's my truth and my experiences with him. And I believe he's done the same to Wiley and that's why Wiley has his own beef with him. And I also think he's done the same to Macklemore. So I commented, I think it was a coward move for him to do it, blame the promoters. And then the promoters turn around and say, "Well, Macklemore himself said, "Ed kicked me off the tour." And now Ed said that he begged him to come on the tour. And he just turns his back. And I think he just wants anything to gain here for himself. And I'm his first blood cousin and he's done so much bad things. He's written- When did you last talk to him? I don't even remember, but it's been many years. How many years? Six, seven or something. So it's been a long time, but- But you were close? We were pretty close, yeah. But early on, I saw the snake in him and, you know, he was, he's very talented and people think I'm jealous, but jealous of what? His looks, his guitar- Well, people say that because obviously, Ed's become a global superstar. He sold 200 million plus records worldwide, 14 UK number ones, four Grammys, a net worth of nearly a half a billion pounds now. And they say, "Look, by contrast, you have obviously had a far less successful career." Actually, what's behind all this is jealousy. But it's not at all because I don't see success as fame and money, it's fulfillment. Success is happiness within, and I have that. I have, I own my own songs. I've got 560 songs, a massive catalogue. I have creative control. I have my own record label. I'm just about to sign to Universal Records. I'm very happy with my life. I do not want to sing songs. I'm not into his music. I'm a rapper, I'm a hip hop artist, and I'm not jealous. Jealous of what? Money? I don't, I'm not money-motivated. Or jealous of record sales, fame, fortune? No, doesn't bother me. I've got songs with Tupac, with Snoop Dogg, with, you know, I've got one coming out with Bob Marley. These are the type of people, Bob Dylan, Bob Marley, Tupac. How have you done a song with Bob Marley? He's dead. Yeah, because that's another story. But there's some tapes been found in a hotel. There's another story. But there's some tapes that have been found from three performances from the Rainbow something in the '70s. And there's some songs that have-- And you're going to do what with them? Produce them and go to Jamaica with his family. I've got a number one billboard in America. If you look on Wikipedia, it'll tell you that. I've had great success. And number one with Damian Marley, Stephen Marley, Bob Marley's sons. I'm speaking to this state. I know Moprim Shakur, Tupac Shakur. I've got a tattoo here. They gave me permission with Universal. So you've been so successful. I mean, how wealthy are you? I'm wealthy in heart. So I'm not going to speak about how-- But if you've been as successful as you're telling me, you would be wealthy. Well, for instance, the Daily Mail said that I was living in a box room with my mums. No, it was Brexit, and I had pneumonia. I had a three-bedroom house in Denmark. I've been living in Denmark seven years. I've been living in Denmark for two years. to Ed because he was doing all this on TikTok, singing that song, putting his hands down his trousers, putting his fingers in bins, doing that to me, basically. And he mocks my mental health. I suffered from PTSD from a very bad trauma from years ago. I've got ADHD, hence I'm talking very fast. So I apologise for that. But, you know, this is my truth. And I just follow one, you know, person and that is Jesus. And I believe in God and I tell the truth and I'm not jealous of his money. I mean, the Telegraph reported that you had previously accused Ed of using you to get a toehold in music. He did. And then ditching him when he became successful. He did. But they also said that over the summer you weighed in on speculation the England football team were underwhelmed when they visited their training camp. You said on Instagram, absolutely no hate, wish my cuz the best. They definitely chose the wrong Sheeran to play this gig. Yeah. Wish my cuz the best. I mean. But I do wish him the best because the thing is, right. You don't really, you're calling him a. No, I think. I said he's a coward. A nasty, malicious, cunning coward. He is that. But also. But how can you wish that kind of guy the best? Because his success will trickle down to my own. Because everyone, when he's number one, everyone searches. The thing is, people think. You're benefiting from his success. No, together we are because we have songs together, right? I'm a Jethro Sheeran. He's Edward Sheeran. We've got a song together. We're both Sheerans. We're cousins. We've got the song together. Why wouldn't I promote it with Ed Sheeran? But all due respect, Jethro, I'm not being funny. But I mean, there is. There is a Grand Canyon sized gap between Ed's success and yours. Great. What's your point? Because my point is. I'm not jealous of that gap. I'm very. If a cousin of mine went public, you know, particularly when I was going through a really tough time. Because I speak out. I'm open. I've got a big heart. I can't help it. Yeah, but you called him a coward. I mean. He is a coward, because he won't admit. I found out he lied to me about taking down my songs. He did a massive Scooby Doo. And when you point your finger three or four times, you're pointing back at yourself. And he was pointing all the blame at everyone else. So maybe you're just not good enough. Maybe what? Maybe that's why he's so successful. If I'm not good enough. And you're not. OK. Why is he rapping my lyrics? Why have I written all his songs? And if I'm not bad. You've written all his songs. Not his songs. His first album. He actually says he's me. Look it up. SBTV. His first thing where he thinks that. You're sounding very bitter about it. I'm not bitter at all. It's just I'm passionate. But he says I'm a lone star. You're passionately bitter. Because I'm not bitter about him. I wish him the best. I really do. I don't hate anyone. Why do you think with Macklemore-- I think you want me to feel bitter. It seems like you're saying there's this big gap. But say what? There's a big gap between you and whoever. Who? I don't know. Whoever. Who? Someone small. A small journalist somewhere. A small journalist? A journalist anywhere. And there's a big gap there. But do you care? Does he care about you? You obviously care about your cousin. I what? You obviously care about Ed. Very, very, very passionately. I care about him. The truth. That's why I care about the truth. Your version of the truth. Yes. He would obviously say something different, right? Exactly. You're right. My version of the truth. Is your view about him being a coward that he didn't speak out about the issue that Macklemore was talking about? My issue and my comment saying he's a coward is because he dropped Macklemore. You don't know that, do you? You're guessing that. He's done it so many times. Right. But that doesn't mean that-- But I know him. You don't. I grew up with him since I was a child. So I've had so many experiences. But my point is you don't actually know he dropped Macklemore. Nor do you. So-- No. But at the moment, there's no evidence to suggest he did. All right. But I just-- I'm saying he did. Right. That's my point. And Macklemore said he did. Yeah. Well, what is your-- You've got someone that knows Ed who's a family member. And you've got the actual person saying it. So what's the likelihood that he did? How many of your family agree with you? I don't know. I've got a massive family. A big Irish family. All of my mother's side agree with me. How many in the family, roughly? 60 on one side, maybe. And how many on the other? 25 or something. So 85. Of those, how many agree with you? Probably 80%. 80% of the Sheeran family? Yeah. And you can see that on my social media, because they stick up for me, because it's the truth. 80% of the family don't like Ed and agree with you? No, no. I'm saying they just agree that what he did to me was bad. And the song he wrote about me, even if it wasn't about me, it's a disgusting song, "Hate, Hate, Hate," and wishes me making fun of mental health and highlighting that to the world. He's the one that started it, so I'm replying. So he's the one that started it, so I'm replying. So he's the one that fired. But I'm not jealous of him. Do you think I want to look like him, play his guitar, sing like him? No. I don't need his money. I don't want any of that. I'm just passionate about the truth. But you are sticking it to him publicly, and you are his flesh and blood. You're a cousin. Yeah, I know, because that's exactly my point. So we raise him in this. I mean, you're the kind of Prince Harry of the whole thing, aren't you? Maybe. It prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine before they start. Alert your doctor right away, as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness can be signs of a life-threatening condition. Why wait? Ask your doctor, visit botoxchronicmigraine.com, or call 1-800-44-BOTOX to learn more. What's that? Sorry? Sticking it to your family in public. People don't like that. I don't care if they don't like it. It's my truth. And I believe in one person. What is your view about Israel? I'm not a politician. I'm here to, you know, if I was a fireman, I'd put out fires. So if you'd been Ed and Macklemore was your support act, it came out. Ed knew that two months before Macklemore came on his tour, he knew exactly what that show was going to be about. Bogada or whatever, they're the most biggest band, pro-Palestine band. But what would you have done if you'd been him? Would you have dropped Macklemore then before the tour? If I would have had a conversation with him, I wouldn't have put myself in that place in the beginning. So what would you have done? Stopped my tour. You'd have stopped the whole tour? If. Would you have allowed. Hang on, hang on. I'm down here. Hang on, you said two months before. What tour are you talking about? If I was him, or if I was on my. His current tour. His current tour and I was Ed, what would I do? If you were Ed and Macklemore was your support act, would you have allowed him to be your support act? No, because I don't think he's very good. So you'd have dropped Macklemore too? No. I would never have had him on, because I don't know. support act would you have allowed him to be your support act no because i don't think he's very you just dropped matlamore too i would never have had him wrong so i don't like so you dropped him i would never have had him on the first place all right you'd abandon i would abandon him yeah i would never have him in the first place i'd have joined the lucas or why wouldn't you have them all why wouldn't i because i don't like his music is it because of his political views no i don't even know that his political views until then i didn't know who he really was what do you think of his what do you think of his views nothing should he be allowed to express them um i think i condone i don't condone anything evil in this world i believe in jesus and god well that's it it's not up to me lovely words but obviously he i know but it's i know you want the loop scoop but i don't not really i'm just asking you what you thought of what he said um i just think it's a coward for ditching him because i wouldn't 13 years of friendship is more important than getting a phone call who owns stadium saying hey he's not allowed to do that and then lie about it allegedly that's what i think's wrong have a conversation when you see your cousin in tears acknowledging mistakes apologizing i think he's crying for himself well let me finish calling the devastation in gaza catastrophic and unjustifiable this is an impossible decision he's even been you know uh falling out with family and friends obviously including you here yeah i mean is it not time to show a little bit of forgiveness to him i do yeah i mean i i don't hate him at all i wish him the best and i really really do hate him i don't hate him at all he wrote he hates me he actually wrote it in a song i do not hate him i'm i'm just here to tell the truth what do you want him to do i just want him uh to you know look down the camera three yeah and imagine you're talking to ed now because he probably will watch this um what would you say to him i've got nothing to say to you i wish you the best of luck just over there that's it finished it's done and also tell your fans to leave me alone and stop attacking me saying i'm jealous because i do not want to have anything why should they have why should they leave you alone if you're attacking him all the time because there's nothing to do with them why doesn't why doesn't he respond they don't like you calling him why doesn't he respond to me calling him a coward does that make him a coward maybe he doesn't want to talk to a cousin who calls him a coward in public well that's a coward then that's a classic you know he's a coward and he's he kind of goes behind what's been your biggest hit raise him up with him can you number one can you sing a bit of it no why not because i'm a rapper not a singer can you rap a bit of it uh when i first started this rapping that felt pressured from haters became invaded with say this and just developed a hater radar made for the stars kept my grind in the dark then it appeared with a remedy kicking runs with a melody hennessy shots and all these thoughts on the block who said you've got to be a gangster now to race to the top he copied that and took it off me and used it for 10 years on stage you couldn't have a lot of people and you couldn't have a lot of people and you couldn't have a lot of people and you couldn't have a lot of people and you couldn't have a lot of people and you couldn't have a lot of people and you couldn't have a lot of people and you couldn't have a lot of people look at every single there's a billion views with it and the only reason i didn't take it down on sbtv is out of respect for jamal and his dad patrick begged me not to so that's why so he stole that you can listen to him it's there now and yeah but can i be honest man i like ed sheeran's music i don't know so that's just the difference i interviewed him once for cnn i like his music and And what you just did, to me, is illustrate why he's a global superstar and you're not. Not like that, he didn't. Yes, he did it worse. Really? Yeah, there's no beat, there's no performance. You think you're more talented than he is? It rapping, most certainly, and writing. Really? Yeah, I do, I do. You're going to say I'm the David Brent of music? A bit, yeah. Yeah, I think you're a bit silly yourself. Really? Yeah, I think you're a bit immature and you're just trying to poke me and I don't care what you have to say, I'm just here to speak the truth on your platform. And it is your platform, I respect that, I like your show, I do like you, but I think you're just a bit of a coward to not even agree with anything I say. Is everyone a coward who doesn't agree with you? No, just you and Ed. Just me and Ed? On this subject. Two cowards. I believe so, yeah. I believe that you have your own issues with other things where you've outspoken that people think you're a coward. A lot of people think you're a coward. Really? Yeah. I think you're a coward now for not speaking up and saying such a stupid thing about it shows why Ed's a big superstar and I'm not. That's pathetic. I think it does. It's an honest opinion. You're all about honest opinions. Okay. Until you don't like them. Yeah, but I think you have. So you love an honest opinion until you don't like it. Just the same way. And then if you don't like it, the person who says it is a coward. No. Yeah. That's pretty much what you're like. Not at all. That's your. If that's how you feel, that's great. What do you want Ed Sheeran to do to shut you up and stop you calling him a coward? I just want him to just. To just leave me alone. You won't leave him alone? He wrote a song about me saying he hates me and, you know. He said nothing. Do you know the song? Have you heard it? He said nothing. No, you haven't, have you? You haven't, have you? No, I haven't heard it, no. No, but there you go. So you can't comment on it, can you? Yeah, but your argument is his fans. If you haven't heard his song, how can you say he's. His fans are criticising you. You want him to stop the fans. Not all of them are. A lot of them. Criticising you, but you keep whacking him. A lot of them are supporting me, actually, if you actually took time to look at my social media. So all Ed's fans support you? All your family support you? No. I didn't say that. Is this true? No. You're weird. I'm weird? You're a bit weird, yeah. You just took words out of my mouth just to cause trouble. I said some of his fans support me and they support us and they want us to become a friendship again and everything like that. Why don't you let it go, Jethro? Seriously, man. I have, I have. Let it go. I have. Ed went on to global superstardom. I'll listen to Piers. Thank you for saving my family. Just let it go, man. I will. You will? You're racked up with bitterness. I'm not. And I think you're very jealous of him. I think you'd love to be Ed Sheeran. And you're not. You're Jethro Sheeran. I'm very happy being who I am. Yeah? Yeah. Are you? We're happy with yourself? You don't sound happy. Are you happy with yourself? I'm really happy. Are you really? Absolutely. About what's happening recently? You seem bitter about that. About what? About the photos and everything. What photos? Well, you know what I'm talking about. What are you talking about? Well, exactly what I just said. The photos of Diana. You've got the book there. What about them? Well, you sound quite bitter about that. You're talking everywhere about it. What do you think I'm bitter about? The fact that he told some truths about you. Truths? Well, you say category, he did this and that, which I don't care. You could be jealous of him. Here's the thing, Jethro. You see, just by what you've just said, it shows me that maybe you're just massively ill-informed about your cousin. I'm not. Because you seem to think I'm bitter. I think you are. Because Earl Spencer published a real factual story about me. Well, you're talking really weird stuff about it. Well, I saw it earlier when I was. I was researching it, even in the dressing room, and it's just bizarre. Really? So I think you're a bit of a weirdo anyway. OK. And that's just my opinion. OK. Because you bash people, and that's how you make a living. Why are you here, then? I think. Why are you here? Because you've got a massive platform. You're the biggest platform in the world. So you put your principles to one side for the platform? What do you mean? You're putting your principles about me to one side for the platform? Yes, I am. OK, great. Yeah, I am. That's exactly what I'm doing. You know what? I admire the honesty. Thank you. How do you think you've gone down in this interview? I don't know, and I don't really. I'm here to tell my truth, and I think, you know. You see, I don't really believe in my truth. I believe in the truth. OK. Well, I think. I think my truth's a load of old bullshit. I think just because you're rich. Not you, sorry. I just think because someone's rich and famous doesn't make them right, and I also think the hate I'm guessing is not because I'm wrong, it's because my light and truth is highlighting his darkness. I don't think that's why you're getting hate, mate. You're getting hate because you keep calling your cousin a coward in public, and people don't like. Which means keep. I don't like it. I've said it once or twice recently. You've called him a selfish individual, malicious, cunning ways. Yes, I think he has done that to me. If you keep trashing him, people are going to dislike it. All right, well, fair. I'm just telling my truth. You're not very loyal to the family, is it? He's not loyal to his family either. If you knew anything about anything, you don't know anything about my family, or the Sheerans, or my dad, or his dad, or my grandmother. So how are you going to understand anything who supports me? What does your grandmother think of all this? Well, she's dead. Right. Yeah. So I don't know, but I don't. Is your mother with us? Yeah. What does she think of it? I'm not going to comment on that because. Does she agree with what you're doing? I'm not going to speak on that because that's my mum and it's private, but she's most certainly on my side. Yeah? Yeah. So she agrees with you? Yeah. Wow. So Ed's family are all on your side? Well, obviously not his wife. I don't know about any of his friends and stuff, but I just think, you know, I am over it. I think you just. You're just kind of pushing this narrative that I'm bitter and jealous. I'm not. I've got my catalogue. I work every day in my studio. I don't even think about it. I don't even like that sort of music. I think you think about him all the time. No, I don't. I think that's the problem. You can't let it go. You're just wrapped up with bitterness about him. I'm not wrapped up with bitterness. I think you're jealous about him. I think he's. You keep talking about your massive catalogue, but it's been incredibly unsuccessful by comparison. I think it's already. What, four million streams in the last 28 days? That I've just. But when I said to you how rich I am. He's got Warner. You said you've got no money. Have you got any money or not? Yeah. Do you want me to buy you a pint or something? I'm sure you can get me a pint, but how much are you worth? I'm not going to speak on how much you're worth. I think you know why. No, you're just trying to get out of me because you're going to say he's worth half a billion, he does stadiums, you're worth 200 million, and you do small pubs or whatever. But you're not worth 200 million, are you? Well, you're just going to make trouble, so. OK. Yeah, it's not really your business, is it? I think if you're trying to pretend, and I think you are pretending, that this is not driven by jealousy at his fame, fortune and success, and you're trying to make out you're a really successful guy, then I think it's not unreasonable to say, well, how do you. I'm happy for his success. Are you? Yeah. I just think he's a coward because of what he's done and he's done some bad things. But I'm not jealous. And I swear that to God and my daughter's life. Like, I am not jealous of Ed Sheeran. There's no reason for me to be jealous of him. I'm disappointed in him. And I think he's turning his back on a lot of people and he deserves everything he's getting right now and everyone is seeing through him. And I think you are a coward because you support him, then you don't, then you do, then you don't, and you just do it for clickbait so you can have your show. And that's what I really, honestly, truly believe. Yeah. And you're not going to like that and then you're going to give hate back. Not at all. No, no, there's just no better way. There is no better way for you to show the world how you are totally opposed to. the way I go about my business with my show for clickbait than coming on my show for clickbait. Well, you've just bashed me straight away. Than coming on my show for clickbait. There's no finer way to show the world that this is the last thing you would want than actually doing it. I don't even know what you're talking about. Do you get the problem there? No, I think you just bashed me and I responded to you. I didn't bash you, I asked you. Yeah, like most people, you just want to. I asked you questions about why you. You just want to fight. Why you chuck your cousin under a bus all the time. Why did you? And then pretend it's not because you're not jealous of him. Why did you say the bad things? About Ed, I think he's a nice guy from my experience. But why did you say about his speech was bad? I didn't think it was very well advised. Why? I didn't call him a coward. And I'm not as flesh and blood. One of my cousins called me a coward in public. Trust me, I'd never speak to him again. Good, I don't want to speak to him. Really? No, I've got nothing to say. Okay. I haven't spoken to him in years. You're getting confused. You're thinking like. Look at this picture again, look here. What do you feel when you see that? That's when. That's when we were getting. Making music together and that was actually a gig. And that's when he fell out with the whole grind scene that basically he turned his back on them too. And if you listen to Wiley. Is it because he's got ginger hair? No, not at all. Why would I hate him for ginger hair? I don't know. My family's got ginger hair. It's like I'm Irish. Like, no. Now you're just trying to get me to say Ed's got ginger hair so I hate him for that. Why do you not like him? I do like him. I don't. I don't think he's been very well advised but I like him personally. Okay. 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