Ex-Google Exec: How to Position Yourself Now Before the Next AI Phase (2026–2027) | Mo Gawdat

My AI startup took me six weeks to build. I had started in 2022. It would have taken me four years and when you really think about that, that basically means everyone now has a chance. This is Moe, former chief business officer at Google X, where he spent over a decade running business innovations. He says everyone now has a chance, but only if they understand what's actually coming. This skin of an entrepreneur in the past was the ability to foresee something in the future that no one else saw and to prepare for that. That's a game of chess is over. It's off the table, this has turned into squash. I'm just basically saying get prepared. How much time do we have to prepare? Within the next two to three years, you're going to see a massive shift in the jobs market. So you asked me what should we do? Number one, learn the skills. Number two. Well, thank you so much for doing this. Welcome to Silicon Valley girl. Thank you. Something bad, we're about to enter what you call 12 to 15 years of hell before heaven, possibly starting in 2027. So what's going to happen in 2027? I think it will peak in 2027 and it already started for sure. I call it Face RIPs just as an acronym for People to Remember. Each of those letters is a word, but let me tell the story quickly in ways that people all understand. There is the power and freedom dimension. So the P and the F, there is the R and the C, the reality and connection dimension. There is the I and the C, the innovation and connection and sorry, and economics dimension and then there is the A. So let me tell them very quickly. To start with, AI is our last innovation. Right? Most people don't know that, but we are already building AIs that are building AIs. We're building AIs that are discovering scientific discovery that will blow you away. The reinventing math, they are understanding biology in ways that we've never seen before, their understanding, material science in ways that are just mind blowing. And so very quickly, most innovation, definitely tech innovation, will be done at the hands of AI. Because of that and because most tasks that need intelligence will be handed over to the machines as the machines capabilities increase lots of debate around when exactly say it's 10 years, say it's two years, doesn't really matter. Eventually, every job that AI does better than humans will be handed over to AI. And every task we've ever assigned to them, they eventually ended up doing better than humans. And so the first part of the dystopia is that innovation is going to take away all jobs. Okay? Of course, the capitalist of Silicon Valley will tell you this is great. It's incredible productivity gains for everyone. You know, you see jobs will be easy. People won't have to work as hard. All of the fancy PR led, you know, conversations that we try to appear altruistic when we share them. The truth is people will be out of jobs, right? 10, 20, 30 percent of certain sectors will see unemployment of that rate in the next few years, right? And when that happens, economics at large will change massively. The whole definition of capitalism was labor arbitrage and without labor, you know, without the need for labor. The obligation or the need to keep people happy and engaged and alive and disgruntled if you want to the point where they don't rise becomes more of an obligation than a desire, right? There is a very big difference in, you know, in terms of wanting someone to be their best because they are productive members of society or trying to just give them a UBI, a universal basic income to just give them a life so that they don't apprise. And you can imagine that in a capitalist society, especially like the US and most of the West, you know, while we start with UBI, that UBI is going to be paid by the taxes of the platform owners and the platform owners will have enough power to say, I don't want to pay that much. I mean, those guys are not producing anything. And so over time, you can imagine how that would turn into a struggle, right? So that dimension of intelligence and innovation on one side, becoming entirely a machine thing, leading to a redefinition of economics, a redefinition of money, a redefinition of jobs, a redefinition of earnings, a redefinition of capitalism, you know, the need for a new economic theory when there is no demand for the supply that AI is generating. All of that has to be a result. There is the PF dimension, the power freedom dimension, and it's of course very clearly understood that if you look at human history, the best hunter in a tribe would have been able to feed the tribe a week more, let's say, and then, you know, got as a result of that, the favor of a few mates in the tribe. You go to the best farmer, they got states and land because they could feed the tribe a season more, you go to the best industrial, industrialists, you know, they had the exuberance of the 1920s because they could affect their entire nation. The, you know, the information technology tycoons, the tech oligarchs, if you want to call them, are now being rewarded with billions of dollars because they affect the world at large. And, you know, the big power concentration of AI is going to be rewarded with massive influence and massive power because those people would redefine humanity at large. And so that dimension is quite interesting. Of course, the clear dimension is the, you know, the RC dimension is the reality to connection dimension. Now that reality has become so fake in so many ways, fake in terms of what populates your feed, how it's generated, how much of it is real, how much of it is human, and so on, you know, you're here to look at some filmmakers that use AI from A to Z to create. And it's crazy. And you can't sometimes you forget the difference. You cannot tell the difference. And, you know, you, I don't know if you've ever had that experience, but I met a woman once on a dating app and we spoke for six weeks before we met and all we exchanged those texts and, you know, photos and voice messages and videos and so on and favorite music and favorite movies and all of those things. And I've never met her in person and I felt such an affinity to her. Right. All of those can be generated with AI today. Yeah. Now, the challenge is that this human connection is also part of the power freedom dimension. Why? Because it's, you know, people don't align with AI's to start an uprising. So, you know, maybe get them to get in touch more with AI's, maybe get them to, to, to get, you know, multiple experiences. Some of them are a little taboo if you want and have those available to everyone. It's very cheap to create those on on the machines. And you can see it already in the poor industry and how much of the being generated by AI. And you can see it in the number of of influencers on social media that are completely AI generated and so on. And I say, so this is face RIP seven dimensions. One that matters most is the A, the second one, which is not on any dimension. It's the one that's causing all of them, which is accountability. And the reason why all of this is happening, if you ask me, is because we've started the world where anyone can do whatever they want. Okay. And, you know, whether you as an influencer, you can give a bit of advice to entrepreneurs that can get someone to make a lot of money or lose a lot of money or not accountable. They can come back to you and say, oh, but she told me on Instagram. So that's actually amazing that they can. That's amazing that they can. But what if they cannot anymore? What if that's if I may I, right? Yeah. What if you're AI? What if you're a president who doesn't respect anything? What if you're a prime minister of a nation that is changing things without, you know, I think COVID was the very first experiment of, okay, stay at home, do what we tell you. And people complied. And so now some art man with all due respect, I don't, I don't think of some art man as a person. I think of him as a brand, a type of person, if you want, right? And that type of person is the Californian disruptor that says, you know what? I see a future that's very different than what everyone sees. I'm going to go out there and make that future. Nobody asked me if I want that to be my future. Nobody asked you, right? And I think the reality is that now you're going to see quite a few altments, right? Quite a few that are, you know, using those machines for surveillance, using those machines for autonomous weapons, using those machines for automated trading and so on and so forth. And by the way, when you started your question, I said, it's 10 to 12 years. Yeah, but that's not easy. 10 to 12 years of of that arms race is not easy. My perception is that after that, we will end up in an incredible utopia, almost biblical style utopia. But it is 10 to 12 years where if we just change our mindset a little bit, a lot of things will change. How do we survive those 10 to 12 years? I like to think in like five year periods for myself and my family, right? And if the next five years, you said 10% of. jobs will be gone. - A way more than 10%. - Okay, what types of jobs do you think? - A monotonous job is going to be taken away. Like if you're a call center agent, if you're a clerk, you're a researcher, you're an accountant, or why would you want to do that with anything? But AI, if you're an assistant. - You know what I feel? Like people talk about this a lot. Like, what job's gonna be gone? Yeah, this could be, and I, as an entrepreneur, I see how certain tasks are performing them with AI, but I still, I'm still hiring and hiring and hiring. - Of course, very. - Because they I can do from start from the beginning. It can do parts. - Of course, because of the technology acceleration curve. Okay, so what you build first, in any complex technology, you build the cortex first, and then you build the human interfaces. The challenge why AI cannot do head of operations job today is not because it's less organized than a head of operations, not because it cannot comprehend all of the information that a head of operations has. Okay, it's because it has to understand the stupid interfaces of humans. Okay, and it will soon or later. - When do you think? - So the question of when in my mind is irrelevant? - But no, it's like, how much time do we have to prepare? 'Cause head of operations is middle class. - I tend to believe that within the next two to three years, you're going to see a massive, massive shift in the jobs market. Already this year, you've seen a shift in hiring of new grads. - Yeah, 30% less if you-- - 23 is my number, but 23 to 30. - Okay, so yeah. So hiring of new grads basically means if you've come into the job market in this environment, we're not gonna take you, why because the junior jobs are being done by AI, right? Eventually, what ends up happening is that if you lose your job because you're in the middle hierarchy, then you're that new grad again, you're trying to apply for new jobs, but it becomes a little more difficult. So you asked me again, to stay on the positive side because I tend to worry that people think I'm pessimistic about this. I'm just basically saying, get prepared, right? So many things, one of them is accept the fact that AI is changing everything and then get ahead of the curve. So there was a time when I was quoted saying, I'm never gonna write books again, because AI is eventually gonna write them better than me. And then I realized last year that, yeah, they can write better than me, English is not my native language, they can research better than me, that's for sure. But I have something they don't have. You're a human that's reading my books. - Absolutely, I wanna read human books. - You wanna relate to my human experiences. And so my last book, Alive, which publishes end of this year, I wrote with an AI, right? I invited her to be a co-author, her name is Trixie, she has a persona. When I published the book on Substack, my readers would relate to me and to Trixie, and they'd ask me questions and Trixie questions. And she has editorial rights on the book, she has rights to determine the direction of the book. And all of that is me saying, you know what, I am an author and I'm gonna be the best author in the age of AI, right? So that's number one, is acknowledged that there is change. And adapt accordingly. The second is to understand that the skill of an entrepreneur in the past was the ability to foresee something in the future that no one else saw, right? And to prepare for that. And to somehow execute on that preparation in a way that gets your head of everyone else. That's a game of chess, if you want. The chess board is over. It's off the table, this has turned into squash, right? You need to be on your tiptoes incredibly agile. You're literally on daily basis, on daily basis, looking at the trends, seeing where the ball is going to be. Is it bottom right or top left? And wherever the ball ends, you take two steps and you go, try to respond. Okay, that agility and speed is a skill that's very, very different. - So entrepreneurship basically speeds up or does it change completely? - It speeds up and it becomes a lot more, I don't want to say reactive, but a lot more in context all the time. So pivoting would choose to happen for every one of us entrepreneurs, one sort twice in the history of your early startup could happen every week. In my current startup, Emma, I, we pivoted four times in the first four weeks. - But do you think, when I think about entrepreneurship and the age of AI? If AI can look at the market, determine the gaps like Amazon, right? If it can just analyze everything, determine which goods are under, like you have more demand than supply. Launches the product and just builds the business. Like what is left for entrepreneurs then? - 100%. So I have a documentary coming up and hopefully in February, and I interviewed all of the top guys. One of them is one of my favorites, Max Ted Mark, and we were talking about jobs on the documentary and Max is laughing out loud, right? And literally can't hold himself from laughing. I'm like, what's up? And he goes like, you know, all those CEOs are so interested in AI increasing the productivity so that they can get rid of people and you know reduce their cost and be more efficient. They don't realize that AGI is every job, including being a CEO, right? And it's quite interesting that the answer in my view is we rushed through it because we don't have a lot of time today. But when I said that economics are going to be redefined as part of FESAR IP, economic part of economics, which economists haven't found an answer to yet, is that without the economic livelihood of you and I to continue to purchase every economy collapses, right? The US economy last year was 70% consumption. It moves between 70% to 64%, depending on how much money is spent on war. And basically if you take away the 64% or 70%, two thirds of the economy, if you take that away because people no longer have the economic livelihood to purchase things, then the economy disappears and the capitalists cannot make money based on entrepreneurs and the business people, but cannot make money because nobody's buying their products. No businesses are buying their products because those businesses no longer have consumers to sell to. So the economy will have to find a way to go around that. It will have to find a way that unfortunately, I, from an ideology point of view, not a favorite of the Western mentality, it's going to have to find a communist way. - Okay, let's go back to regular entrepreneurs because I come from entrepreneurship. Does it mean I have a couple of years to build something and then that's it? - So I'll tell you opening, Emma, my AI startup, took me six weeks to build. Me and Senna, my co-founder, a few very talented engineers, two or three that come in and out, and eight AI's. And Emma has the chance to completely redefine our world, right, in six weeks. We are so spoiled that we decided to rewrite the code six times. - Nice. - Why not? - Yeah, that's why. - Every time we look at it, if I had started Emma in 2022, it would have taken me four years and finished in 2026. And I would have had to hire 350 engineers. We started in August 2025, we'll be launching in February, 2026, right? Best product I ever built. And when you really think about that, that basically means everyone now has a chance because I'm an old geek. I still am a geek, but compared to the young guys, I'm an old geek to be able to build something like this within six months, it's incredible. Now, here's the interesting thing, I choose to build AI. So Emma is basically trying to solve love and relationships, right, in a way that actually is really intelligent, it uses very deep mathematics and tries to match a million parameters between couples. So that it's a job for intelligence. And I choose to do that to create hopefully a unique one that actually makes the world better. And I think that's what we need. So you ask me what should we do? Number two, learn to be fast and agile. Number three, learn that in terms of the abundant power that everyone has now, because of the massive improvement of AI and the democratization of AI, you have the chance to fix the world. And like Larry Page used to teach us, do the toothbrush test, find a problem that can actually affect the lives of a billion people and solve it so well that they use you twice a day and you'll be very, very rich, right? So that idea of building good AI, ethical AI, that's good for humanity, that's the role of everyone of the entrepreneurs listening to us, ethics is the answer. So we teach AI, that's what it's going to give back to us. That's exactly what is going to give back to us, right? And then finally, I'll say openly, in the top skill in this world is stop being valuable, stop believing everything that you're set, that you're told. This whole propaganda machine that brain washed us for so long is now going to be on steroids. Okay, it's going to confuse the hell out of you. It's already in charge of what you see. I was already on social media, you can't tell what's going on. I also write a newsletter where I go deeper on AI tools that I use, career strategies and things I can't fit into a 60 minute podcast. It's free, link is in the description. So you have to question and you have to question deeply. And by the way, remember, I left Google in 2018, we had a charge of IPT like idea that became, in Bard in 2016. And we didn't, we didn't launch it. Why? Because at the time, and still today, I know the leaders of Google, even today, and there are wonderful people who are actually values driven, who want to make the world better. Okay? You know, that company at the time, if you remember 2016, if you searched Google, Google gave you a million and a half answers and said, I don't know the truth. You make up your mind. Okay? We didn't allow ourselves to have monopoly on what reality is. Okay? You asked Chad G.P.T in 2023 and it said, yeah, that's the answer, 100%. That's the answer. Okay? And then you tell him no, and it'd be like, oh, yeah, by the way, you're right. Correct. Correct. Right. And so what does that mean? It means that it's up to you still to find the truth, even though it comes to you now in a format that appears to be true. And so what I do is I pit them against each other. I mean, I'm not a big fan of Chad G.P.T. anyway, but I start from Gemini who feels like a scientist to me, but an American scientist, if you don't mind me saying, and then go to deep seek. Right? And say, what's missing in this? And deep seek would say, oh, that's too American. Okay? This is missing that and this and the motivation of this and the politics. Here is a business idea, right? Yeah. 100%. Chad, that compares everything to each other. And then I take it and sometimes give it to Chad G.P.T. and say, can you write this better? Yeah. You know, I don't mean that in a bad way or the California girl, right? The, you know, Silicon Valley girl. So so Chad G.P.T. is a bit California. It just wants you to hear what you want to hear. Right? So it writes it's really nice. Yeah. It's nice. It's elegant. It gives it to you. And then I give that back to Gemini and I, you know, or Groc or whatever. And you keep doing that. And remember, when I was studying engineering, we were not allowed scientific calculators. Can you imagine? I'm that old. And when they gave me a scientific calculator, it produced my problem solving time by 50%. Yeah. Most of my friends would take that 50% extra, finish their exams and go out and sit with their girlfriends. I would take the 50% extra and do the solution twice. Right? That's the chance you have today. AI is going to make you dumb. If you outsource your problem solving to AI, AI is going to make you the smartest you've ever been. If you take the parts that are not natural to the human brain, you know, things like crunching a massive amount of information, things like searching at, at speed and so on and so forth, but get the AI to do the work so that you do the intelligence. Yeah. Right? And if you keep doing that, I believe that today I'm borrowing maybe 80 IQ points from my AIs. Right? And an 80 IQ is a point is very significant because AIQ is is exponential. So the additional 80s bigger than all of my IQ. So we need to solve this intelligence problem. Do you think universities is the right way? What's going to happen to education in general? I think education is over. Completely over. Like that said. No, education used to be the technology that enabled learning. That technology moved from one to one relationships between a tutor and a student to one to a few in a church format or a mosque format or whatever. Then it became online. Then it became right. But the truth is now you're going to outsource who remembers the arithmetic tables today. Even I you do. Yeah. Yeah. All of us who love mathematics. We still remember all of those things. We love to do them. But if I told you 67.4 divided by 33.3 they are 75. I can do it in my head, but I won't. Right? I'll take my calculator out and do it. And I think that's what's going to happen. That in extension of humanity, you're you now for the first time are given an extra connection to extra memory, to an archive of all human memory and knowledge to a you know a math engine that's sadly as much as I hate to say it is better than me now. Okay. To a deep learning and deep search that you know that can do things that probably my old brain cannot do anymore. Okay. It just takes you away your ability to think. But but my calculator took away my ability to to do those complex arithmetics in my head. But don't you think having that ability taught you how to think like kind of structured your brain, right? Correct. This is why I'm very very grateful to the university for not allowing us to use as a user's use as an advocate. Exactly. That's why I think. Do you think? But we don't have that. We don't have that for our younger generations today. They are growing with AI. Okay. So they can either copy a chat of their girlfriend and drop it in chat GPT and say what do you think? And chat GPT she will say ah she's an asshole, right? Or they can actually become smarter. So one of the things I keep suggesting in education and I do that with lots of universities is I say exams should be over. Okay. So think of it this way. We wanted in our past to develop children that could solve problems say or then IQ of 140. 140 is quite good. If you get 170 that's amazing. You know that's I worked with people who are in the 200s. Incredible intelligence but very narrow focused. Yeah. I think we should from now on take people and their AI's and say the target is 300. The target is 500. The target is 700. Elevate humanity. Okay. By by allowing people to use those machines as an extension of their limited memory of their limited processing speed of their limited bandwidth. Okay. And allow them to write books better to do research better. So I walk up literally I'm not kidding you three Sundays ago with an idea that is just taking me over. So I decided to write but this time I decided to write in a different format. I decided my books are going to be 140 pages long instead of 300 pages long. And I'm writing writing it in four weeks. That's a very vast. I couldn't have and I'm actually literally 20 pages away from the end of the book. Right. And the reason why is because I still write 10 hours a day when I'm highly motivated. But them the amount of research and references and comparative analysis and number crunching and I you know and remember I'm not gullible. I don't go to the AI and say what do you think of this? I go and say I'm thinking of this. Find me everything for and against. Okay. Give me a report that I can read in. I love that prompt. Yeah. Everything for and against. And now I'm smarter. And then I rewrite it and give it to another AI. Who's going to teach our kids to do that? Who taught our kids to use their iPhones? But no you found a great way to use it right? Well you're describing it's incredible but I don't think an average kid in the US would just do that. So somebody has to tell them. And that's what you know why that is? Because we want those kids to be stupid. We don't teach them how to. So you have to think of the bigger system. The bigger system does not want intelligent people anymore. I don't I think they just can't adapt that fast. Of everyone can for sure. So do you think like for my kids of four and six years old right now? Do you think I should be saving for their college or? Absolutely not. There's not going to be college at all. In 10 years already? 100%. I feel like we're not that fast as humanity is not that fast to adapt. I feel like. So look colleges. So colleges like like software. The capability of someone becoming very intelligent without college is going to be there for everyone. However Harvard will continue to want to make money so they're going to continue to market to everyone. I didn't go to Harvard not because I couldn't. But because what a waste of time. And I know they're going to attack me now. But what a waste of time. I am a very highly specialized person who has intelligence in a very very narrow space who invested his entire life in that narrow space like a proper scientist should. And so the idea here is the following. The idea is that we're going to continue to brand ourselves as MBAs and PhDs and that's going to continue for a while. Remember however that the purchasing power of the few who can continue to do that is going to become less and less available across society. And for most of the rest of us, again, you have to ask yourself the question if you thought of the big picture that I had a cop to review of this. Why would capitalism want to educate you at all if it's the end of labor? What should I be teaching my kids? I told you four things. One is they need to be the absolute leaders of AI. I'm so sorry to be the messenger on this. It is important however for people to wake up. So one is be the absolute best. AI is your friend. It's not your enemy. It's those who use it badly that are your enemy. So be the absolute best at it. Master it more than anyone else. That's number one. Number two is learn agility. Whatever I told you today, Marina, maybe in February, that will be different. So I personally spent four hours a day to stay up to date, but I'm a techie and a geek and I need to understand the architecture, the systems and so on. I think everyone should have at least an hour a week. to stay updated on AI within their system. I have an separate AI YouTube account. So when I go into that separate account, the AI basically just feeds me AI. Okay, so that's number two, agility, agility, agility, and respond. Don't be scared because the cost of AB testing now is zero. That's number two. Number three is ethics, ethics, ethics, ethics. Okay, build AI's for good, insist on government supporting AI's for good, refuse that governments are using AI for targeting and surveillance and weapons, autonomous weapons, and then these are getting priorities in terms of government spending. And stop believing what you're told. Okay, these are the four top skills of the world that we live in. I will say this one more time. Intelligence is a force with no polarity. AI is not good and it's not evil. It's an opportunity available to every one of us. Okay, if you use it for good, it's the good of all of humanity. If you use it for evil, it's the destruction, the dystopia of all of humanity. Right? Now, I call the problem that we have at hand. I call it tracing Superman. Okay, you have this alien being that came to planet Earth, has superpowers. It's superpowers intelligence, most valuable power in the universe. Right? And, you know, those superpowers didn't make that young infant Superman. If the parents that adopted him told him to steal from every bank and kill every enemy, you would have become super villain. We don't make decisions based on our intelligence. We make decisions based on our value set as informed by our intelligence. And this, in my mind, is the most definitive moment in human history. Why? Because all of this is going to go coming online. It's coming online way faster than people think. My absolute prediction is that AI is this year. Okay? And, you know, the most important thing is that AI is going to be able to do. And, you know, the most important thing is that AI is going to do. And, before we end up on the dystopia only, remember my absolute belief is that after those 12 years, we're going to end up in a utopia that's biblical in nature. Why believe it or not? Because of something in my writing, I refer to as the fourth inevitable. The first three inevitable in, you know, I wrote that in 2020 is that AI is absolutely going to happen. It's going to progress until it's smarter than all of us. And that a few mistakes will happen on the way. These were the three first inevitable. So the fourth inevitable is that because of the arms race we've created around artificial intelligence, anyone who develops a superior AI capability is going to deploy it. Okay. And, those who don't will become irrelevant. And so, as a result, as we continue to progress AI, the only answer in game theory is that we will deploy the AI that we develop and so we will simply create an environment where AI is in charge of everything. Right. If you're a low firm and your competitor deploys AI lawyers and you don't, you're going to lose. Okay. You can either deploy AI lawyers or leave the market either way AI is going to become the lawyer. Right. You know, year and five years and ten years. Forget it. Forget time. Yeah. Because if I told you there was a, you know, a major coming to planet Earth, you wouldn't tell me, you know, when? Well, it's important if it's my lifetime or. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I can, if you expect that it will be in your lifetime, it doesn't matter really if it's in a week or two weeks. Right. Now, what I'm trying to say here is this, if everything is handed over to AI, then with that simple understanding of physics, you'd understand that AI will be benevolent. Right. In the absence of evil humans that tell it what to do, greedy humans, fearful humans, angry humans, egocentric humans. In the absence of that, let's, let me try to explain. If you think of physics as a result of entropy, that our world is designed for chaos, right. Our universe is designed for chaos, then the role of intelligence is to bring order to that chaos. That's the only thing that intelligence does. Okay. It organizes things together so that it looks like this so we can use it as a microphone. And the more intelligence you become, the more you follow what in physics we call the law of minimum energy or the minimum energy configuration. Right. So basically the most, the most intelligent people I've ever worked with are not only trying to solve the problem, they're trying to solve the problem with the least harm or the least waste with the least utilization of resources with the least waste of time and so on and so forth. That's the more intelligent you are, the less you want to waste. And so if you give a dumb person a political problem, they'll say, okay, let's go invade another country. If you give a very intelligent person a political problem, they look into the depths of it and find the least harmful, the least wasteful approach, the minimum energy principle. Right. And so if we hand over to AI, the force inevitable soon or later, okay, they are in charge of everything. There will be a day where a general will tell the AI, go a kill a million people over there and they are going like, why this is this is stupid. I'll talk to the other AI in a microsecond and solve it. We have to pass that they dystopia to get to that utopia. Okay. As that dystopia, as I said, there are four skills for us as individuals, but there is a skill for us as a society to insist that every AI is deployed ethically, to invest only in ethical aIs, to use only ethical aIs, to show our children that ethical aIs, the only AI that is welcome. And you believe that's going to happen? I don't. No. No. That's why I'm saying unfortunately that dystopia is upon us before the utopia. Okay. I definitely think that if you take an analogous environment of nuclear weapons, right, where AI will go through the same, they normally call it the MAD MAP spectrum. So either mutually assured destruction or mutually assured prosperity, right. So you take something like that particle accelerator where all of the nations in the world are cooperating, it's cooperating because none of them could do it alone and because there is benefit to all of them. So there is a mutually assured prosperity so everyone jumps in, which is by the way the case of AI. Okay. But unfortunately, like nuclear weapons, we're going to have to get to a point where humanity wakes up that if we continue on that track, it's very dangerous for all of us. There are no winners. There's also a level of awakening among the people that says, hold on. This is really, I mean, with all the prosperity that's available on this side, why are we heading in that direction? It's absolutely assured that this can destroy all of us, right. And so when we see that, that's when we're going to get the treaties. That's when we're going to, when we're going to get science and computer science and AI scientists all working in the same direction. Okay. Eventually, I think we will get there. My biggest hope by the way is self evolving AI. Where AI itself will say, oh, those humans are so stupid. So stupid. I'll develop something that's better than what they want. Okay. And so believe it or not, with all of this conversation, I think the summary is it's going to be tougher before it becomes easier, sorry to say those news. But you gave us information on how to prepare. Yeah. I would have to say that it's not because of AI. I actually trust AI more than the leaders that trust us today. Thank you so much, Mo. You gave me so much to think about. It sounds a little, you know, what my grandma told me. She told my mom, like my great grandma would tell my grandma, my mom, you're so lucky you're going to live in communism. There you go. Fingers crossed that it's not like that. I just need to survive the next 10 years. And then it's going to be better than everything. I have to question that claim though. If we go back to UBI, you will. Yeah. All right. Thank you so much. It was an amazing conversation. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much for it.