Everything The Odyssey Got Wrong… & Why It’s Better

what's up everybody welcome to flagrant uh it's your boy schultz i'm here at dalek's media markie gags miles media shifty's lurking in the room somewhere spooky um we all just saw the odyssey except for mark mark is continuing his i refuse to watch movies it's not even on purpose i don't have you all the time mark did a whole podcast for camp about the odyssey without seeing the fucking nobody cares about the old odyssey source material source material i'm going to ancient sources son the ancient sources are fake too nah that's real to me this is the funny thing about like everybody's like oh oh nolan's interpretation from the odyssey is different from the real one and it's like we don't have a real one yeah we have some guy's interpretation of the odyssey like 700 years later no zeus is supposed to be greek bro you can't make zeus fucking asian or whatever wait was he asian in this but if they did make him different races that'd be hilarious people will still be mad about it they'll be like dude zeus is supposed to be a white guy did you guys think at all about like all right so alex saw it obviously miles saw it alice i was gonna take the win right out of sales i already know he's like i'm gonna be fam i'm gonna be fam can i be honest with you it's very i i ran out the theater because i was watching this theater and it was literally 12 people in there and it was a tiny theater it might have been like 60 seats so like the exact opposite of how nolan wanted you to watch this right it could not be more opposite and they all had like cartoonishly it was all there was like 12 old people that's the theater you go to get some head bro you don't watch movies there because they would have no fucking clue but anyway they were all watching it right and um i don't even know why i brought this up you ran out oh i ran out because i didn't want to hear any of the old people complain because i saw superman that same movie theater okay and before i could get out and feel the joy of the movie that i really liked they were like oh it's not like the old superman so i ran out okay before i could have anybody mess it up so when i hit the chat and then you later that night said to me you're like three and a half out of five stars i was like it's okay i already had 24 hours of enjoying this before alex ruins it for me yeah yeah now the beauty of old people watching this is that the cameos don't take them out of it you know what i mean i'll tell you one thing lupita nyongo took them out of it maybe a little but like my buddy went and saw with his mom and she was like the opening scene is travis scott yeah and he goes fucking travis scott and she goes what actor is that so she had no idea so all the cameos elliot page they're just like all right these are human everybody didn't know that was travis scott until after the movie but everybody got so upset about the travis scott pick like i get it no they got upset about the black people no not even about the black shit also there was probably mad black people in ancient greece right it should have been more oh really in the movie let's not get carried away oh hamilton what happened to all them when they went to hell the only time everybody's black in the movie is when they're in haiti's that's kind of fucked up right come on nolan you're better than that but um but yeah like i think i assume the idea was this was an ancient poem and poets back in the day would retell this story to people so they're taking a modern poet and starting the retelling of the story through him yeah is that that far-fetched no that's that's the that's what the defenders would say and that's the only rapper that fucking nolan knows probably like i mean i mean dead serious like you would be surprised how many people get cast and things based on like their kids liking yeah yeah so nolan's kids favorite rapper is probably travis scott he thinks that's the only rapper that exists yeah and he's like i got fucking travis scott yeah i got the rap yeah and everyone else is like oh it's because he likes batman there's nothing there's no correlation whatsoever but yeah i mean that's kind of how the the odyssey was told there was a bunch of people like adding bars and shit basically back in the day retelling the story over and over big greek festivals and they would like kind of change it and add their little things put themselves in it also just want to clarify no spoiler alerts this entire episode so you guys if you haven't watched it you will be you don't have to say that yeah this is a two thousand year old story well i just wanted to say that because we're gonna spoil it yeah so i'm like if you haven't heard anything about the honesty at this point dude i know fast forward to this part right here anyway i didn't fucking i didn't have any issue with the travis scott like opening up i kind of saw he was gonna do and also if you think about it like if the history is oral it's an oral tradition right like this story has been maintained over thousands of years before people were writing anything down simply because it was a fire story and people like to retell it right so kind of the movie is all not all a lot of it is told through story yeah you know so it's like matt dame his character is talking to charlie's theron and she's like tell me what you remember and then look at this story and then you heard uh john bernthal's characters talking to tom holland and this is what happened so the oral tradition exists within the movie which i thought was kind of fire was a nice little nod the story in and of itself is a tall tale like it's all told flashback from odysseus being like nah the craziest shit happened ever yeah and then him just making up stuff yeah you know is it foul to say like this is the same way the bible came together no because isn't it the same to an extent you can say yeah it was just oral for mad long and then eventually somebody wrote it down and then some interpretation of it is different from other people's interpretation you can say that the bible is wholly true and pure was it oral forever none of the apostles were writing shit down it was like shortly after the right down letters and stuff it's a long time maybe a decade something like that you know sources differ on this but then you got the old testament you got the ot you know i mean ot they're writing that shit down no but like so what are you trying to say that it like didn't happen which one are you trying to say didn't happen more believable interpretation is all everybody's saying this story is unbelievable you don't think a guy who's been away fucking bitches for 10 years at war is gonna take the long way home like i think people like when you go home from work yeah you take the scenic route fuck i'm gonna take the triborough yeah like sometimes you're not trying to get right back to you gotta see the hudson a little and come back enjoy the spoils of war exactly you win the war and you're not gonna celebrate a little bit exactly it is funny because they're like dude the journey took 20 years it's like it took a couple and he was on an island banging calypso for a decade that was another thing they didn't have any and cersei and went back you know he went back to the cersei lady oh i did not and put a seed in her this is crazy i see that this is this is this allegedly happens after but he gets the pig lady pregnant without even knowing she is a kid that ugly bitch but back in the day maybe it was different yeah you're at sea for a while you know see goggles it changes things oh you know what i'm saying yeah so uh and then i guess maybe this happens i learned it from the internet so who knows but uh has a kid kid goes to look for his odysseus on an island randomly doesn't know his dad kills him marries odysseus's wife which is his mother kind of yeah half mom and then tom holland's character goes and marries cersei it's so hot what version is this tiktok bro don't ask questions just keep the show moving don't ask questions yo go see the odyssey it's like people that they write their own versions of fucking harry potter and shit like that yeah yeah this is this that's yeah that's literally what this is okay yeah and the version that we got is just like low-key the original version could be ass i don't know about that it could be ass and the version we got was the first dude to write it down and he might have been the greatest interpreter ever yeah that's why i'm like anybody criticizing nolan is like nolan made it better than the original like this is if you read the original nolan's version is 10 times better because uh odysseus isn't a dick yeah like if he made odysseus a likable character you could root for that was like vulnerable that's not odysseus yeah this was an asshole like the whole journey is him dealing with his pride pride becomes hubris and he thinks he could take on the gods and all this stuff and they're like little glimpses of it in the story in like in nolan's version and they don't even really make sense that was one of the things i didn't like about talk to me so it's like you either have to make him the likable guy or he has to be the asshole who becomes the likable tell me the two blaring moments for you um when he shoots the fucking giant and fuck what was the other one not the cyclops yeah for no reason yeah fuck and then i think i kind of felt this when he was like lying to his people even though i know he was trying to protect them but what's the second point why you got to hear the sirens that's pure ego yeah to me it's pure ego now i get it i get it i get it right like these people are willing to kill themselves but i want to be the only one to hear it and live it's pure ego it's like i thought you're trying to get home to your wife and kid but you're gonna risk all that just to hear it yeah so no you want to hear it bro i literally just want to know yeah we all want to do a lot of things we're not supposed to do that's the whole point of the odyssey you want to hear that's that's the human instinct to be like yo i need to know i'll take the lotus flower and forget everything that's happened that's giving me pain yeah but the only way home It's through. - Yeah, I know, but Zan bars are fire. You know what I mean? that's what i'm saying it's like yo that's what the lotus flower is that's what i'm saying it's like yo you got to go home tonight right you got your girl back home yeah but my boy's got he's gonna qb sneak me do i stop it that's what that that's the human condition and that's what we're trying to overcome i think in the original odyssey the original fake one that the guy interpreted for himself i don't think he takes the lotus flower he doesn't and it doesn't happen with calypso no those are two separate things so the homies all take it because they want to forget what happens yeah and then he's got to like tie him down to the boat and bring him back yeah he's like i'm i'm determined so he's the good guy in that one yeah yeah also what you give the movie out of five stars let's start i think it's i think it's i think it's one of the greatest movies i've ever seen i think christopher nolan is the greatest filmmaker that we've ever seen and um i think it i think it's his his his best movie bullshit can i can i make it can i make a little argument here okay best movie it's up there movies are bad movies are bad this guy no in in all seriousness um do not believe anything he said this could this could only this guy's function in a theater okay if you put it streaming i think that we would be like scrolling we'd be kind of distracted by shit it because let's be honest it's about an hour and 45 minutes of build-up and then the last 45 to an hour is jordan in a closeout game okay but the first hour 45 if you're at home with all distractions that you have you have instagram you're googling shit your friends are saying you're answering text messages you got work you got to do i don't know if you're hanging out through like okay it's a cyclops okay you're some tall giants okay here's a girl that turns people into pigs like yeah that part like to me i was like you got to honor the story i get it but it really sounds like you're describing the best movie i mean the last hour you realize what all that meant and he edges you for an hour okay or edges you for two hours and then the last hour i was literally like getting up out of my seat like i had my hands in the fucking air dude when he strums the bow in that final seat and then it matches up with the music because there's two regular strums then he does the third beat the idea the only other times he strummed the bow in the movie is for what reason to let the you got to warn your prey yeah the person's stupid as fuck but go but again this is a version of him being an honorable man which odysseus wouldn't be like the actual odysseus from the odyssey would never strum a bow he'd see an animal and it was like you know feeding its kid over the head with a rock exactly yeah yeah yeah but the uh the fact that he's warning his prey and his prayer all in there and the only person that gets is the person that's seen him do that in the past is rar paths his character and he just dips immediately because he knows what time yes but it's like he all this time away finally he's getting over his pride and his ego and he's making it home and then i want to take on a hundred niggas by myself that is getting over pride and ego not trying to talk to them first maybe hey do you guys actually respect me well if i show you who i am but he but he let me lock you niggas in a room and i'm gonna take you on a hundred ones does that is that the actions of somebody who really wants to be with his wife well he was trying to die no no why are you talking about maybe penelope's shit stink a little because like there's no reason you're going to war for 10 years and taking the long way back that's why she needs the gate and he went yo you just need a little distance don't get a whiff of it because there's there is some there's got to be some truth to that like that's a crazy that's a crazy journey okay quick tour announcements we're about to release a bunch of dates they'll be going to 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Download the ExxonMobil Rewards Plus app and join today. Exxon, trust the tiger. For details, visit ExxonOffer.com. And like purposely takes the long way. He could have went with Agamemnon, right? Agamemnon's taking the trade routes and he goes, no, let's just see what's out there in the ocean. Like no urgency to get back to the wife and kid or the kingdom. And I think Nolan's interpretation is fire, which is like, I didn't want to go home. I knew what we did. We broke Zeus's law. That's going to spill across civilization. We broke the one thing that holds civilization together. Right. This like and some people are trying to project like kind of Christian morality onto it. But I think that Zeus's law is like Xenia or something like that. Yeah. Xenia. Yeah. Hospitality. Hospitality. So it's basically like, you know, we're seafair people. You're going to bump into some like town. You don't know anybody, but you need them to survive. Let's just make sure it's mutual. We'll all kind of get along. Yeah. Works out great. And. Christianity probably in every other culture adopts a version of this. Treat people how you want to be treated. But so like him going back and fucking up all the suitors is also breaking Xenia's law. And that's why he's exiled. But I think they broke Xenia first by eating up all the shit, trying to bang his girl. So I thought about that. I don't think they did. They didn't because they didn't attack him. As long as you don't attack any of the people there. No, not even him. Well, technically, they try to kill his son or whatever, but like they held back. But they were plotting to kill. They were plotting, but then they held back. They didn't hold back. He held them back. He killed them all in Athena's tomb. They weren't in the house. It doesn't matter where you are. Nah, if you're outside the house, the rules don't apply no more. Now we boys. Zeus's law is like specifically towards eating and where you eat. All right. So here, check it. They overstayed their welcome. Yes. Which is arguably breaking the law. Like as a visitor, you've got to come with a gift and you've got to not take. You've got to respect the host. And they were drinking the wine drive. You're drinking the wine drive. But here's the thing. They think Odysseus is dead. It's been 20 years. Anybody who doesn't think there's one person doesn't think Odysseus is dead. The dog. Yeah, Argos. And they got loyalty built in. Also, Argos. That was the scene I got. That little. I fucking started sounding like a doctor. But that was the scene. That's how fire dogs are. He wrote that 2000 years ago, 2000 years ago, where, like, your dogs are the only ones that will arrive and you may as and but you may as believe he was dead. He just wrote for him forever. But the fact that he took him in without even knowing who he was. Fire. Think about it, because he still has the code. He still believes it was his code. But the other thing is, think about you may as and the dog. They're metaphors for Ithaca and civilization. They're decomposing. When you first. Meet these people, right? They are amazing warriors. The dog's this loyal spry thing. And by the end, he's just lying and fucking shit. this is what has happened to your great kingdom right this is what happens to your society and the second he comes back i guess there's this like transfer he's like argos knows he can go because you know the king is home this thing i've been watching mad youtube videos son i love it i love it i think it's just by cats out you get why it's the greatest story this is why alexander the great slept with it under his pillow son it was like it was the undergirding of all greek civilization so i like can i can i just respond to that fucking lie this is this is the beauty this is the beauty of of ancient shit you could just make it up yeah and we can't say nothing about it like alexander the great didn't have a pillow you're supposed to believe this motherfucker is just marauding all around why didn't he have a pillow bro every night before he goes to sleep where's my copy let me put it on here fuck out of here but yeah he had a pillow bro i'm telling you you believe alexander the great was great was greek whatever i meant to say you believe it was straight nah it's not that it's not carried away does not get carried one question about the cyclops in the movie so you were gonna say something i cut you off um the this was a movie that it was so long yeah but it kept me engaged the whole time i didn't feel like it was so long yep yep so much so that i had to pee in a cup because i didn't want to miss a second i didn't i didn't get up and i didn't get up and i didn't get up to pee i have to be real with the world i gotta get it off my chest this is the litmus test bro i did i did in the theater pack theater yeah but i was so it's a separate joint so nobody can see me fine bro how do you do it how do you do it oh you pull just hit out the side hit the side joint and so you pop it all the way out pop it out is that a felony it didn't go to jail for those kids i wasn't stroking it you displayed it yeah you displayed it and there was kids in that fucking movie i'm black you couldn't see no that's garnishing right that's technically garnishing i'm pretty sure you can't do that salt bed anyway you were gonna ask so in when he's talking to the cyclops yeah he says oh it's my name is nobody he doesn't say it in the movie i know really that's like the best part i love that it's so clever there are versions so one of the things about this is he was the smartest motherfucker right so like everything he did is clever and he found ways to like outsmart the opponents he's not like brute strength like you know like an achilles is or something like that um and his cleverness i think there's is like his downfall in a way because he thinks he's so clever that he can outsmart the gods right and he has to learn that lesson that no you cannot because my understanding from the original he's talking to the cyclops he's like the cyclops trying to get him and all his boys he says i'm nobody the cyclops yells out nobody's hurting me and then all the other cyclops are like oh nobody's hurting you sounds like you're going crazy they said who hurt you he goes uh he goes nobody yeah so they're like oh i guess nobody and then they say pray to the gods you seem like you're sick yeah and then he leaves he gets on the boat and he goes actually i'm not nobody i'm actually odysseus son of this guy ruler of this kingdom conqueror of cities yeah and then that's how the cyclops knows and then the cyclops tells his daddy poseidon who's poseidon and then he fucks up the sails and the seas and beside and curses him and that's why he has to go everywhere and all that's in the movie but that no that's not that's the best that's the shooting it also makes more sense because he doesn't take the long way home because he's being a dick he's taking a long way home because the gods are cursing him yes well yes 100 um and in the movie he takes it doesn't take a long way he takes a different way because he's like i'm done being with agamemnon like i think he never wanted to go to war in the first place but they don't explain why he would do that if you're trying to kill him he's going to kill him he's going to kill your wife and this is the trade route to go home it doesn't explain why you would choose to take the long way and i didn't like my my understanding the explanation and i think you'd learn this when he's kidnapped with calypso is that he knew what he did so let's let's go back to this like trojan horse thing when we learned about the the i think it's fagles's version of the odyssey i think that's we all do there's another version rachel wilson i think her name is right and i some say that like nolan is working off her adaptation which is like maybe like a little bit more soft you know the internet is it's more feminized or whatever it doesn't matter like he basically has more trauma based on what happened and feels worse about what happened in troy versus fagles interpretation is like he's like i'm the boy did you see what i did so when we read the odyssey we thought the horse was this genius feat in war that's how i always interpreted what a trojan outsmarted the enemy we outsmarted the enemy nolan's interpretation is you broke zeus's law you offered up the horse as a gift hospitality hospitality and then took advantage of that and then in the movie while there they cut athena's head off and there's a statue of athena and when you see um tom holland's wife what's her name euphoria sandalia sandalia throughout the movie she's representative i think of like a young priestess like a young girl that lived in troy that was you know a part of the church of athena or whatever it was another thing i didn't like i think she's supposed to be athena she's supposed to be athena well well but she is then her her look is supposed to represent oh god this young girl yeah yeah that gets beheaded or whatever there and it's a reminder to to damon or odysseus what he did this act breaking zeus's law what what what he didn't he has to deal with that every single second and he sees her and that was another thing i didn't like i feel like they just wanted to jam pack this shit full of a-list zendaya added nothing to the story this is the first time i've ever seen her acting where it's like like 'you didn't do anything like she usually blows me away she usually steals scenes she's like an actress i feel like they didn't give her anything to do that's interesting i'm just gonna sit here and remind you of guilt but really not say anything that important anything monumental can you remember a single line she said no but i do the scene where she's on the cross where they're gonna cut her head off and then they juxtapose it with like slicing the head of the statue off i thought was act like beautifully i mean she's also ethereal like just the way that she looks she she has like this like heavenly look to her so maybe there's part of that but it's like the whole time you're thinking oh she's just reminding him of one of the people they killed in troy but the whole time she's supposed to be athena she doesn't really make that she doesn't have the death of of damon's character or ann hathaway who's the fucking goat and hathaway might be the fucking yeah she's the she killed it she killed it damon killed it damon oh another thing i didn't like they made tom a pussy bro how you train fighting all like all this training and then the two times you fight and you're getting your shit pushed it yeah that's telemachus yeah like both times he was fighting and he was looking like a pussy like he can't he's 20 but you've been trained your whole life you should be nice no that's what i'm saying like by that time he's 20 it's not like he's a little boy yeah prime yeah he's he's at least 21 or whatever if she was a little boy yeah he's a little boy yeah he's a little boy yeah he's a little boy he was pregnant right before he left something like that interesting yeah i mean yeah i got it i got it like another thing i'm like helen's supposed to be the most beautiful person who started wars and all this type of stuff no no no no i like the choice that they scarred her face because it's like oh look even everybody was vying for this person who started wars and look at the result of wars and all that shit but then you give her an identical twin sister it takes away from her beauty why the fuck we're all fighting over this one when you got an identical baddie i didn't know this they gave her an identical twin sister you take away from her beauty in greece they they did that in like the greek version of it i don't know i don't think there's a twin no he doesn't get scarred i never read that no no hold on let's back up she has sisters but not an identical can can we just look you're sure that i looked this up that's stupid i mean i think what happens is he he had reached the limit of black people he was still ten for ten still ten for ten she had one sister is but was he a twin sister nothing here says twin come on her sister was climenstra and they were not usually described as twins sounds like a venereal she did have brothers that were twins castor and pollux and in some myths later laid two eggs containing helen climestra castor pollux but the exact sibling pair like a parent no no i think i think chippin i no no no i saw that and i was like identical twin sisters weird why are we fighting over this girl the way that the way that nolan would justify it is i think damon says it like this wasn't a war over helen this is a war over shipping routes and they need to break the stronghold like loki i was like is this a metaphor for the straight of war moves like what does this predict in the future but remember he said that agamemnon wants to break the stranglehold that troy has over the shipping routes i get it the way the story has been told for ages is 100 fighting over 100 but maybe he can justify maybe that was done on purpose to justify like it wasn't made over a pretty chick no one right would fucking go to war over a pretty chick to me that's even dumber like there's no girl so beautiful you got to go to war there's plenty of beautiful women everywhere but if this kingdom had control the shipping routes we need a justification to go over there for fucking 10 years straight and bang out i get it but then if that's going to be the reason to do it then her face doesn't need to be scarred i think that the scarring how i would interpret is how you did which is beautiful which is like all beautiful things age and wither or get destroyed and then what was it worth in the first place like look what hubris does look what pride does look what ego does my understanding is in the original paris takes helen from menelaus and that's what causes it it's not that she's it is that she's so beautiful take her bro well she won't be taking that's the thing it's disputed in the versions some versions say she was kidnapped some versions say she went willingly but ultimately it's ego it's like kidnapped the willing bro you know what i mean let's keep it apart she was tight to be where they were john bernthal dad she was tight she didn't want it she wouldn't be orlando bloom yeah she was i get it i get it you get it yeah i get it no disrespect to john great actor but orlando bloom god damn come on bro but it's like it's ego it's like bowser's castle shit you know what i mean yes like you stole the princess now i gotta get her back and that is you know the death of man yeah it's tied to ego yeah you know and i think like i guess i'm gonna have to get back to the death of man i'm gonna have to get back to the death of man in a lot of ways there is the story there it's like how you can be humbled but i like nolan's version better i like the idea of like yes miles there are some versions that say she was born from the same egg and use the word twin but not a ton it's not very like so he grabbed it and went with them but even then it lends itself more to alex's thing which is like you don't gotta fight a war just take your brother's girl be like yo they took mine yeah but actually not agamemnon's agamemnon also had the equally hot as girl in the world so his brother uh his brother would would have to lose his girl and he'd be like hey man it sucks yeah yeah this is what it is i know what you're missing literally yeah i did like how they depicted agamemnon though like he looked like a badass yeah do they show do they show the land of the dead when he sees his mom no no no this is fire from the original turn in at all really no so in the original he goes to the land of the dead he sees achilles yeah the greatest warrior to ever live and achilles is standing there the land of the dead and says a crazy line he goes i would rather be a farm hand working in someone else's field to instead of being the king over all the dead and so it's just a fire line we're like yeah like all this war and all this fighting is it really worth it and then he sees his mom and this is the most devastating part he goes to embrace her and she falls through his arms three times and says that she died waiting for him to return damn oof and when you have that in the original you're all of a sudden like oh his motivation ramps up he's holding his own mother who died waiting for him and now he's like i gotta go back they should have put that in right like how beautiful is that they should have put that in to this talking about like parents and lineage uh agamemnon's dad is i don't know his father atreus timothy chalamet in dune is house atreides which is the director of the house atreides the house atreides which is the director of the house atreides which is the director of the house lineage of agamemnon oh shit that's cool that's multiverse yeah i mean it's happening thousands and thousands and thousands of years in the future in the future but the idea is you are descendant of a lineage of kings i thought that was kind of cool and that's also the influence of the odyssey on every story yeah i mean the the coolest thing about like especially the oral traditions that maintain and the bible is definitely one of these is like an oral tradition is only maintained in the same way that like a street joke is only maintained over a thousand of years if it's great and relatable and this story is the simplest most relatable story in the world a guy is trying to get back to his wife before other guys fuck her like at its core yeah and it's like before they fuck her and kill his son that at its simplest you're like i relate to it immediately and i want that guy to get back i immediately want that guy to get back why was he away because he had to fight a war he didn't want to fight yeah i want to get back even more yeah like and it really made me think of any story any story how can you can what is the simplest version of of what is happening here and like how do you mythologize and how do you mythologize that even things that are happening in in our reality without magical beasts like what is the simplest version of it you know like i don't know like i i always heard this about like transformers like the simplest understanding of transformers is just like a boy gets his first car fire you know what i mean and like the excitement the connectivity freedom freedom yeah right like okay i can get on board with that and then you make the magic around it like even i maybe think of that tom hanks movie big yeah where he goes into the gypsy thing and becomes an adult and like i i don't know if this is it but like as i reflect back on it is it like is it like youth is beautiful and i miss it and it isn't it isn't until you are placed into the responsibility of an adult that you get to go man we really had it fucking good yeah and what we would do to go back yeah you know wasting on the young youth wise yeah yeah so like it's just such a simple idea and then you build in all this like magic around it yeah that makes it relatable to like the present day but the underlying thread is a human feeling and and the only stories that will persist about for thousands and thousands of years are that yeah that's the only i i stand by that it's like and it made me think of things that we're working on and like projects that we've written and i'm like what is the mythology of this like if i could make this a greek myth what would it be and if i can't explain it we got to change it yeah like how do we simplify it and how we simplify in a way where it's like for centuries people could feel that exact impact and i think oftentimes like the best joke or the best screenplay whatever it's taking something that is very obvious and doing the best spin on it yeah the best joke is not like the most out there arbitrary absurd thing the best joke is a relationship joke yeah the most relatable stuff it's the most fundamental thing done in a new way it's the most fundamental thing done in a way that you've never seen before you're like how the fuck did i not point that out yeah i mean i think that goes across everything like any type of art design like think about like virgil's shoes right it's like okay this is a relatable thing i've seen a jordan but he's done it in a way i've never seen enough yeah yeah whereas like the super abstract weird thing you're like okay that might be cool for a little yeah my trend for a little it's pushing too far but we're never gonna remember it yeah we'll wear the fucking jordan ones or air force ones will go in and out of popularity for our entire lifetime a version of it will exist for our kids their kids like yeah so so how do you simplify everything that's that's me literally i went back to like projects that we're working on and i was talking to guys and i'm like what is the mythology of it yeah i mean even like the bible if you look at it just purely as fictional mythos it's like a perfect person sacrifices the most valuable thing his life for people that don't deserve it yes it's like the most fundamental like the most beautiful thing you could imagine a human being doing and like and i would be honest i think there's even like a more simple version of it like he doesn't have to be the most perfect person it's just like sacrificing yourself for someone else yeah it's just and then what is the heightened version of that is the most perfect person sacrifice himself for the most imperfect people yeah and then to add to it a father gives up his child to die for those people that don't deserve you know what i mean so now you just build yeah the bible's a trolley problem yeah at his core yeah what irony alex o'connor was is obsessed with philosophy and trolley problems yeah and has you know used a lot of his professional career to debunk yeah you know the bible yeah the bible is the greatest trolley problem that's ever existed there's actually a beautiful short film if you're interested you're 100 going to cry it's like 20 minutes yeah but it's a train conductor that's literally the early train bridge operator yeah and his little son is playing he's like six years old playing near the bridge and the train's not supposed to come and the train is full of bunch of people doing drugs and like sex addicts and like just like heathens and like they paint them in like a very poor light and then the train takes the wrong diversion and is going towards the track that his bridge is on and the bridge is up and his son is underneath the bridge and now he's standing there like what do i do do i lower the bridge and kill my son to save all these people on the train or do i leave it up save my son's life and let the people on the train die and they're not even supposed to be there in the first place and it's just like a beautiful metaphor and uh save my son not even a question well you should watch it because it's pretty pretty crazy i won't spoil it by fucking questions they're not supposed to be there no train takes the wrong uh the wrong switch oh the train took the wrong like the train is not supposed to go this way towards the road instead it goes this way towards the mountains where the bridge is up oh so it's the train and the conductor did that it was his fault yeah so it was the conductor's fault it was someone else's fault not the guy controlling the bridge oh my god okay now it's getting a little bit more i thought that they were just like vagabonds in the middle of the track no no no oh god these are people on a train they're innocent too crazy but i have a question about the other stuff that's in it yes the sirens yes how are they depicted no uh you you seem in In the distance. Or in distance. Aren't they supposed to be a bunch of baddies yes but there's like different interpretations i've seen like birds with like a human that's like the og depiction which is hilarious yeah that they're birds with human heads oh really it's so funny mermaids yeah and then they're later depicted as mermaids yeah but the interesting thing that i didn't realize from the original is that he's not seduced by their beauty it's a sound not seduced by the sound oh what is it they offer him truth they say to him through song we'll tell you everything about what happened to troy we'll tell you all the secrets of the universe we'll tell you everything if you just come to us and so he's ultimately seduced in the story by truth it's almost like garden of eden type shit well that's a better explanation for why he he himself doesn't put the beeswax in his ears because he wants to hear the truth and so they offer him all the knowledge that's ever to be had and he's like oh i want to go and then you see bodies of people piled up other humans that did it but he's so seduced by it he's like i want to go despite all the bodies like he's almost like in this illusion not thinking about his imminent death even more i'm hearing this version i'm even more upset that nolan kept this stuff out of it i i i agree because it just did seem like selfishness yeah why he did it but like there's another funny thing with calypso oh wait tell me before we go to clip so i wanted to just go to this that one thing about because what he said the dialogue in that moment they're like what was the song of the sirens like his uh his like first mate on the ship who's going to be playing a greek soldier and didn't do a single push-up for six months of preparation and you got some nerve and hathaway learned how to sew a fucking thing like sheep for mad damon learned how to shoot a bow and arrow the indian guy couldn't do a curl he knew he was going to be in the movie he wasn't like a late edition you got street fighter coming up i asked them if i i asked them if i should do a curl and i asked them if i should get buff and they said you're a comedian he's a greek soldier he knew so the guy goes what was the song of the sirens like and odyssey goes all the things you wanted to be and then all the things you wished you never wished for it was a delicious itch you want to scratch but you find it under the skin and can't reach it so the delicious itch becomes unbearable i told you what you want is what you make you want to make you want to make you want it told you what you most want is what you most can't have and that what you most can't have is what you already had and lost it was a song of all the promises i failed to keep and it told me i don't really want to go home and the same song you hear at the sirens is the one you hear when he sees his wife whoa what does that mean like he didn't want to go back no it is like this is this is this is the thing i desire the most i see this is the thing 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more sense it says she no longer pleased him yeah which means that at one point she was pleasing him yeah a lot a lot and then there's a hilarious line where she goes why don't leave why are you gonna leave and he goes i got it gotta go yeah i got shit to do and she goes i'll make you immortal so gives him a deal that if he stays he'll basically become a god and then he has a line and says i know my wife penelope doesn't stand up to the beauty of calypso oh shit but i might i must go back anyway it was my honor to go back first of all top tier gas lighting by real odysseus um the fact that he just threw that in there no but let me let me ask you this question i mean this is going to be a little trickier for you to answer i'm going to ask you this question i mean this is going to be a little trickier for you to answer because you are like the real odysseus and they're like no you're not real odysseus you're committed to your wife no matter what but this is something that's gonna be more relatable to al and definitely to to miles um to you nigga okay and to me check it check it imagine imagine you're with a girl okay that you are locked on an island with her that you got tired of on an island with her that you got tired of on an island with her that you got tired of okay okay okay and then she offered you to live forever and then she offered you to live forever and then she offered you to live forever okay okay okay kill me kill me kill me being with a girl you don't want to be being with a girl you don't want to be being with a girl you don't want to be with you already want to die forever with you already want to die forever with you already want to die forever and then she's like ah you can live and then she's like ah you can live and then she's like ah you can live forever she's a forever she's a forever she's a kill me now if i can't go it's got kill me now if i can't go it's got kill me now if i can't go it's got nothing to do with penelope i don't want nothing to do with penelope i don't want nothing to do with penelope i don't want to be around you anymore the only saving to be around you anymore the only saving to be around you anymore the only saving grace i have is i could die one day you're grace i have is i could die one day you're grace i have is i could die one day you're about to take that away from me get me about to take that away from me get me about to take that away from me get me off this island but when he said off this island but when he said off this island but when he said that i was like who the fuck wants that that's the torture bro that's the torture bro once a dude's brain switches like he had once a dude's brain switches like he had once a dude's brain switches like he had a good six and a half years with a good six and a half years with a good six and a half years with calypso he was like this is lit she's calypso he was like this is lit she's calypso he was like this is lit she's doing my wife would never do it doing my wife would never do it doing my wife would never do it bouncing on a crazy style crazy style i mean like so many different things yeah i mean like so many different things yeah i mean like so many different things yeah and then he got tired of it he's and then he got tired of it he's and then he got tired of it he's like all right i'm good i'm done the chat is like all right i'm good i'm done the chat is like all right i'm good i'm done the chat is garbage like we don't have anything to the whole time he was with her? Penelope? Or whatever. Calypso, I'm sorry. I think so, yeah. Yeah, because he wasn't on the Lotus. So he was even way more of a piece of shit. It's how he could survive, bro. It's the only way he could survive. Yo, that's great. Like, how do you know when your wife can't wait for you back home? The whole rest of the army. Let's do another year. Let's run it. The whole rest of the army went home. And he was like, yo, we're gonna go check out this bar over in Hoboken real quick before we go back. He wasn't ready to go home. Nah, Nolan's interpretation of this shit is. I think he's still on the boat the whole time. It takes him seven years to build a boat in the OG. Is that what it is? And also, Hermes. Oh, that makes sense. He was grabbing the pieces of the boat. He doesn't even go home after Calypso. He goes back to Circe. But in the OG, Zeus goes, yo, you gotta go get our boy. Sends Hermes down there. Hermes goes, yo, you guys can't be doing this. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He gets let free. Also, in the original time when he went to Circe, the pig lady, he smashes her for a year, and then his boys go, yo, it's time. Like, we got it. We're not pigs no more. We got it. Bang on the door. Yeah, like, please. Like, can we go home? We got. he's like yo stop hating bro like just because i'm getting sucked quiet piggy yeah go only it's super ambitious because it's like there's no way you fit all the stories in a movie's time yeah and so you have to pick and choose what parts you keep in or whatever and it's like you have to change the story in order to even make it yeah cohesive like yeah because i do feel even though it was long it did feel a little rushed i'm like every time we go back to matt damon there's another fucking big situation you're going through it's a 24 book story yeah this is this is the i forget who said this i want to give credit to them i don't know if it was uh trey parker and matt stone or uh the rick and morty guy i think it's trey parker i know what you're gonna say right it's like one of the the tricks to sell it telling a story yeah it's not and then it's therefore there's something i've always thought about after seeing that like even when i was doing life you it's like nothing should be like and we went here and then we did that and then we did that no this thing should force the next thing to happen so there and this is i think there's a little bit in the odyssey that feels a little bit and then it's like we got the cyclops and then we got the cersei and then we got the whatever yes whereas when a story is really moving there's no end then the cyclops is causing is forcing you into the next thing beside and fucks up the sails and the wind takes me somewhere else that sounds like the greatest movie of all time you're describing i'm just saying i'm just saying but this is my my my feeling about it when i was watching it and i knew going into it because i remember reading it going all right all right all right and then you get to the last when he gets home yeah and i'm like all right this is the greatest filmmaking that i've ever experienced in my entire life where literally the sound of the movie make me want to get out of my fucking seat now can i ask you about when he goes home yes there's something in the original from homer he goes there kills everyone homer yeah homer whoever homer is kills everyone odyssey's a dick what he's gonna say i just want to let you know he's a dick a modern society is not ready for odysseus yeah they're ready for the new ones they're ready for nolan's odysseus no odysseus his son emmaus another shepherd they kill all the people right okay and then he calls all the slave women that are working on the property and says hey clean up all the bodies wipe off all the blood and then he asks his boy i think it's emmaus he says or maybe it's one of the other other women he says who are those slave women that slept with the suitors okay and then i'm up she takes all them hangs them kills them in front of everyone goes these women dishonored me they dishonored my kingdom they slept with the suitors in my home but no one takes them all out no one did that he did he did he did that with the mia goth yeah so just imagine there was a bunch of mia goth got it okay so he does include that there's a mia goth character it was fucking robert pattinson also in the real version robert pattinson and a few others getting the guts of penelope penelope was not faithful either is that true yeah is that true look that up yeah i don't know about that that kills the movie for me that because it's not about fucking it's about ascending to the throne i hear you but come on like tell the real all right i'm asking jim he made he made this shit fucking rated g well what he did is he made it a love story because that's what's going to connect to our civilization we're not ready to accept that odysseus got back home after all that time immediately left so he could go rob a bunch of other towns so he could refill his coffers and then immediately left again because he realized i'm going to kill him i'm going to kill i'm bored at home you got it tell me i have it here to correct me if i'm wrong miles in homer's original odyssey penelope is faithful to odysseus she does not sleep with any of the suitors or choose a new husband while he's away but there were later non-homeric traditions claiming penelope was unfaithful or had a child with hermes or one of the suitors yeah and a different record a local story in which odysseus expelled her for encouraging the suitors but that's not the version wait hermes hermes is the god yeah yeah he's like a little messenger that don't count that's a that's a later version come on but i think that's a version told by like a different bard in a different festival that's like a red pill guy so he's like nah fuck penelope yeah he was riffing a little bit exactly he was on stream just letting it fly so i don't think that's the og and so you're mr prisoner of the moment we all know this yeah that's why you think it's the greatest movie of all time yeah when you really put this up against all nolan's films there's no way you say this is the best one you can't say this is better than dark knight you can't say this is better than inception you can't say this is like uh what's the one in space now interstellar interstellar is unbelievable come on son you're going to say he's better than those three right there low-key the odyssey they're all located i know they are yeah and that's this is can i can i just ex i get what you're saying the reason why i put so much credence on the odyssey she's just seen it no well yeah yeah i am prisoner of the moment 100 but all those other movies are the odyssey so he just redid his ocean no but like give the credit to the ocean no to me to me it's like give the credit to the source like if you're doing the odyssey with all the other movies every movie is the odyssey okay like everything is the odyssey and there's like a hot take that's kind of going around where it's like uh what was the new nuclear bomb movie abenheimer and people are like oppenheimer is the same kind of uh does this take off where oppenheimer is or this is inspired by oppenheimer it's like no everything is everything is the odyssey and that's why it's so prolific there's really like five stories like most movies are just ripping off a version of shakespeare a version of the bible like neo is the jesus story so you get to see the guy who was clearly inspired by the odyssey and use that as like a reference point for all his other movies make the og i get that so there's a part of me it's like i'm watching batman but i'm really watching the odyssey now i get to see the movie that he really wants to make and that's why and along with my recency bias one thing i saw a clip of odysseus going back as the old man he just has a hood on like how do they not know oh he got this beard is long and white also he's been dead like if you're dead for 20 years you're not even thinking about you got to understand how long 20 years is bro yeah 20 years you're dead they didn't really age him that much they wanted they wanted to keep him looking good he's like he's got to be here he gotta be here they had your little hunting pull up at the house yeah i know he's ripped he's a little too ripped so the day before matt went to go film the odyssey he filmed our promo for the life special oh wow so wow and and and i remember seeing i was like damn you look lean he goes yeah i gotta go tomorrow to go film i was like we filming is uh the odyssey i was like oh why are you here anyway in this scene when we're eating at the diner matt only eats the bacon because he hadn't had a carb in like six years yeah i know that i know that he only eats he only eats the bacon and and but you have to say this guy had a carb in six months and i just have a plate of potatoes and bread sitting in front of him about to ruin homer's odyssey that's how he knows a real actor you know he got on that crazy stack before this oh yeah come on i was looking like 20. he's because he's in real life he's like what 50 something years old yeah yeah what and he was just shredded yeah now there's an alternate ending of the og odyssey hit me the alternate ending so most people consider the source where he sees penelope and then he's like i don't know what's going on i'm like i don't know what's going on what's going on i'm like i don't know what's going on i'm like i don't know what's going on i'm like i don't know what's going on i'm like i don't know what's going on i'm like i don't know what's going on i'm like i don't know what's going on i'm like i don't know what's going on olive tree bed i made the bed you're my husband the end right yeah there's other versions that some people still attribute as like credible where they say all the families of the suitors yeah they come knocking on the kingdom they're like yo you killed our boys okay these are supposed to be the heirs of our kingdom for doing nothing wrong they were just posted up they didn't do anything wrong and you killed all of them so now we got to settle this so then a massive civil war happens in ithaca all the families are killing each other like athena comes in is like yo guys chill zeus comes down throws a lightning bolt everything stops and then athena drafts up a peace treaty says all right look here's how we're going to settle this everyone on the island is going to have their memories wiped of what happened and then odysseus is going to be the king and you guys are going to be ruled by him and you're going to like it the end leave that part out yeah that's true uh whoever added that sauce on it nah he was a little what is that term in filmmaking or stories deos x mocking out yeah the hand of god yeah but that's a lot of the greek mythology like the alien starts with the gods arguing about who's the hottest sure sure sure but having just god come in and just save the day at the last moment it's just like the laziest form of storytelling after arguably the greatest story of all time exactly that's calypso right it's too much to hand to god yeah also uh talking about this i know it's you know halfway through the year oscar winner for the best picture yeah we have the odyssey 100 cows is the odyssey of 50 percent a hundred percent we got 50.3 and then we got a movie i can't say al maybe you can hit that one see it's racist that you say you can't say because you're No, because you're just thinking about your favorite word. No, Al, look at it. Like, no, I see it. Because if I would have said it, if I would have said it fast, you guys would have got on me. I think every word coming out of your mouth is that. Whoa, if you say it three times, don't say it three times, bro. I'm trying to say it three times, don't not say it three times. You got to be careful. Like, that was crazy. Yeah, it felt a little weird, right? You said it three times. You said, thank you, Al. That was crazy. Yo, Doom Part 3 could be gas. Like, I don't see why I won't, but come on, we're not playing around. A lot is being made over the fact that he shot it practically, practically meaning like without CGI. Love that a lot. But then the Cyclops scene took me so far out of it. Talk to me. It just looked too fake compared to the rest of it. But like the scene when them motherfuckers come out the ground and that was shot practically, I'm like, holy shit. Shit, that was fire. What about the monster when he's on the boat? Yeah, the monster on the boat looked fake as fuck, too. No, I didn't think so. So real quick about the, so a couple things. One, what was the first one that you mentioned? The Cyclops. Cyclops. I hear what you're saying. The Cyclops thing was a little bit peculiar because like there was like a character issue that we don't really understand. Like why he's spiking the fucking ball in the end zone. Like, it didn't make sense. The sheep even kind of look a little fake. I like the sound. The sheep are real. No. I think part of it, like when they were first coming in, it was like, it was fake sheep. No, everything's practical. I'm telling you. I bet you look it up. I bet you part of the sheep is CGI. There's no CGI. No. The Cyclops is CGI, nigga. No. No. The Cyclops is a puppet. You didn't know this? Let me blow your fucking mind. The Cyclops. It looks pretty fake. The Cyclops, it's, yeah, because it's fake. No, I know that, but it like, it looks like. No, it is an actual practical puppet. Oh, really? Yeah. And that's what's so fascinating about it. And I think that's why it looks a little bit fake is because it's literally a gigantic animatronic that they're using. So they're using a puppeteer. Okay. In the same way, like with Interstellar, remember TARS? Let me see. Remember the robot? Yeah. Yeah, so look, that's actually what it looks like. Ah, but you see they put sauce on it. Actually, I think it's lighting. So what they do is they keep him kind of like absconded in the dark. Wow, look at the left. Actually, look at right. I don't know if this is even real. This might be fucking A.O. Oh, just to clarify, he's not against using CGI to soften things or remove things, but the actual thing that you're interacting with, he wants to be real so that you have this real interaction with it. Got it. When you get a massive object, your eyes dilate, you feel different. It's called invisible CGI. Exactly. So, for example, in the scene where they're all, where the dead is buried, they were all buried. Yeah, I know. And they use like little snorkels to breathe. And then you can remove the snorkels. But if you also think about that scene, they film it in almost pitch black because that's the only way you could get away with burying 300 people. And they said an interesting thing about that scene. Like, if you put a little inch of soil on top of somebody or sand, they can get up whenever they want. A few inches and all of a sudden you can't get up out of that bitch. So it was like a very delicate, you know, scene, whatever. But so, yeah, so this is all. And then like this version of it. I imagine that you're looking at right now, since they're close up and there's no one else that you can see, is a person wearing makeup. It's the same guy that was in TARS. Oh, really? Okay. Inside. But there are, there is invisible CGI. They had to paint out like wires. They had to paint out like the things that are making the world. You ready? You ready? The whirlpool. Yeah. Practical. That's easy. Just a bunch of niggas just run around the pool. We've done that before. Now, you ever do that hot tub? That's so fun. Yeah, that's just bad fun. Yes. Yeah, I know. They took jet skis. Yeah. Oh, really? Drove them around in a circle. Okay. Created the outer ring. And then I'm sure they CGI'd the middle of it. Yeah. But what you're dealing with now is you're on a boat and you see this fucking, you know, water going, whatever. And it kind of like feels real. Oh, another thing I don't like. When they're getting around the whirlpool and then all they break all the fucking paddles on the side. Yeah. But then they're still able to continue going. You don't have a bunch of. Extra paddles. Yeah, but you have the other side's paddles. Yeah. So now you're half paddles. No, you just. And they broke a bunch of paddles throughout. Like all of a sudden they had a brand new row of paddles. Let's say you got 20. Let's say you got 20 paddles on each side. You break these 10. Now you got five on each side. You're going half the speed. Yeah, but every time they got into some shit. That's the most unbelievable part of the whole thing. No, I just didn't like it. What if they have a paddles that exist? I made one comment on Interstellar. I said one thing about Interstellar and you told me I was a dumb idiot for years. Because you are a dumb idiot. But this shit. If he's all continuity, practicals and all that shit, they should have had like one paddle by the end of that shit. You ready for the shit that's going to fuck you up? Yes. Yeah, fuck him up. Yeah. Fuck me up. The scene where they turn the people into pigs. Practical. Yes. You think I'm joking. Wait. What do you mean? Done practically. Explain. Because a human can't just turn into a pig. So. Well. I mean, it's some girls. I wasn't a pet, but. We ain't got that. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. No. Come on. I'm married. Stop it. Why would your wife be upset at you saying girls get turned into pigs? Other women are pigs. Yeah, but she don't. Yeah. That's not that bad. She don't like I talk like that. Look up pig scene shot practically. So what they did is they started with the actors. Right. And then they had these like some sort of people like they're not actual people, but like. Some sort of like sculptable mannequin, whatever, where the actress, Cersei, could shape their faces and she would start to shape them and morph them. And then eventually you get like the more pig looking like things. There's but there's no CGI in the scene at all. They're all eating the shit. I think it's a little bit of the invisible CGI shit. Possibly. There's no way that's out. But what's a very cool part is the camera's moving and there's wipes. They're using like bodies and stuff like that so that they can switch out the head they're using to get closer and closer to the pig. Yeah. So watch them talk about right here. This shit is this shit is cool. Yeah. Like we were there. We were part of it. Sometimes we participated in the shots and then we saw it and we're like, how did he do that? Yeah. Like when they turn the people into pigs. That's all real. People into pigs. Wild. It is. Like all of that sculpting that she's doing. It's all animatronics. That's not CGI. What do you mean? She's like me right now. That's funny. No, that is a practical effect. It's not CG. It's an animatronic head. She's like going like. And she like moves her jaws apart. That's real. They worked with an artist to create something that Samantha could sculpt with live on camera. Okay. You just blew my mind. That's what I mean. Tom is so adorable. We must have used CG then. And then the movie ended and Christopher sat behind me. I literally turned around. The first thing was like, how did you do that thing with the pigs? And he was like. Oh, it's just camera angles and animatronics and a bunch of actors that were really game to do. So, so, so pause right here. A lot is being made of shot of shooting things practically. And I, and I, and I want to point something out. And I think this is like when the movie came out, Marvel dropped its newest like doomsday trailer. And I think maybe doing it already dropped their trailer or something like that, but specifically Marvel. And like one of the things about CGI and we kind of like grew up with CGI being implemented. Like CGI was mind blowing to us because you took things that literally could not happen. And then you created worlds out of it. So every time we would watch like a huge action sequence or something like that, it blew our fucking mind. These were like, how are you creating this? These are impossible things that you cannot create. I know I can't create it at all. I can make anything on my phone now. I can do. Any tsunami wipes over New York city, destroys everything. Iron man defeats something, rips his head off with one prompt with one prompt on my phone. So now it's not as impressive. Now, I don't think this is why Nolan is doing it. I assume he's doing it because he thinks actors acting with the things is the more realistic version. You get the best performance, whatever. But secondarily, the, the value of CGI is useless. Like if you're a porn star and you were able to like stay hard for an hour, back in the day, no, I mean, the, this'll make sense. That was like, you were like, yo, like, how is he hard again? Like, like you were blown. Like you couldn't believe it. You're like, you are the fucking, you're a God. Now with Bluetooth or whatever, like it's nothing to be, I can, I can be hard for an hour. Like that's CGI. Being soft is cool. Being soft is the coolest. But like, so, so. To me, it's diminishing returns for anything you do. And like doing special effects in a movie is like, nah, I won't go as far to say that it had the value of it has lessened, but there's still like Marvel still blows it out the park every time. I'm not saying that they don't blow it out the park, but I'm not shocked that they can make a building get destroyed. Oh yeah. I'm like, okay. But back in the day, Michael Bay exploded a hospital. Son, Michael Bay exploding. or blowing something up. up or anything yes it's for nolan he's he's thinking the dark knight but i'm saying more generally speaking i know i know i know what he's thinking we just kept moving michael bay michael bay did do a lot of explosions he's known for it i think yeah and it would be crazy the transformer seeing the thing transform you're like this is my voice for nolan i can do it i took you off track and you're on a great point does it make sense what i'm saying like yeah i don't think he's doing it to shit on them but it's already unimpressive like the story is what's gonna win and now weirdly enough the effects are gonna win because you know it's real yeah we have an appreciation for how difficult it is to do shit yet then thank you for that beautifully pour in this is kind of my thing with like ai art like with now you can do ai art seeing a sculpture that someone handcrafted brother has almost more power because you're like wow someone spent years working on this piece of marble that's phenomenal and maybe there was a time where painting was seen equal but now that you can do ai art it doesn't have maybe the same the same for the idea that one mistake and yes there's little ways to patch things up but one mistake on this massive piece of wood or marble would ruin the entire thing like the level of perfection that you have to operate at to create these sculptures back in the day with like rough tools too we're not talking about like electric chisels and shit you know you're just banging away at something and to make that fucking what is it benigni or something like that where he he creates the oh the veiled virgin yeah he like creates the sculpture and then puts a veil on the sculpture have you seen this bernini is it i think so uh giovanni strazza is the one that i'm talking about there's another one i'm sure there's a few famous sculptures have done this kind of thing oh i've seen this before he's making a veil out of the same piece of marble it's like that's phenomenal yeah that's i thought i was about to shit on yeah no no no this is i can recognize real but my point is good that my point is getting the fucking getting the getting ai to do that or cgi to do that is unimpressive yeah because there's something representative of human hours a human being doing problem solving yeah like this is an insane problem guys the way that 3d printers are becoming everywhere now yeah even that's going to be something that people can just but no it's not the fact they can do it it's the fact that this one was done without it oh i give you okay and then you go oh there were hours poured into this that is impressive to me that someone was able to do this but i think even painters now today it's harder for them to like really break through or be huge because it's like you know the same shit you can paint i can make that like this to an extent but like there's people even now like modern painters that are doing caravaggio's or caravaggio style and people are buying it for big money because they're like oh this is impressive there's a japanese thing saying where it's like imperfection is more beautiful the gold cracks yes yeah yeah where like you lean towards the things that are imperfect because they're more unique and their imperfection makes them more beautiful and in a world where you can make perfect things all the time the things that are slightly off and imperfect are actually more unique and more special what is it called oh i found wabi-sabi i saw it kintsugi but yeah same shit but it's this idea like you highlight the cracks yeah they highlight the imperfections because that's what makes it unique and uh like back in the day when they were doing like uh cowboys versus indians movies there would be like one scene in the movie where like a train would crash going across a bridge and they would do it practically because back then they didn't even have it there were versions where they would make like a smaller miniature miniature thing of it whatever but like anytime they would make like a smaller miniature thing of it whatever but like anytime they would make like a smaller miniature thing of it whatever but like anytime they did like a real one it would like make waves in the industry like they spent five hundred thousand dollars on this one fucking scene and then people are excited to go see it because they're like how the fuck could they make a train crash because their brains couldn't conceptualize cgi or anything our brains are so used to cgi we can't even conceptualize practical i mean so when i told you it was real yeah you're like what do you mean it was real yeah i mean you've seen this before right this is like super famous buster keaton oh yeah the ledge this is done practically he's standing there and they have to measure it to like an inch before he dies an inch or he dies he's got a nail on the ground and it's holding his foot in place and he goes okay i'm gonna stand here and then this whole thing is gonna collapse on me and i hope that i don't die can i if you guys like this kind of stuff there's a great channel called corridor crew and they do breakdowns of all the cgi every week it's the great great show and they're fans of flagrant i've seen it in like her teeth are practical this is this is a fascinating practical effect have you seen this before no show me it's from a 1937 movie all done practically no post oh that's cool that was fire crazy and then they explain how they do it they basically put like makeup on her and then they change the camera like exposure right yeah yeah like changing the color of the camera there's a red filter on it if i'm not mistaken and they pull the red filter away and then all of the blue or the green shadows terrifying which like look crazy yeah that's dope anyway all right one more thing yeah go guys i do like the movie i do think it was good i don't think it was you're offering good perspective to bounce off but yeah this what's it called imax shit stop it like did you go to it i didn't but all it really offers you is just an extra inch above an extra inch below like yeah i think they're putting they're going a little too hard because first uh what's his face from sinners he made everybody go crazy he's like oh my god i shot this in imax and like it brought a lot of people out because of that yeah and that's why this one right now if you try to buy an imax ticket it's sold out for like eight weeks or something like that yeah but it's kind of annoying it's like bro i want to see the whole movie the visuals and i'm sorry you might disagree they were good they weren't outstanding that's they were good they weren't outstanding i mean this looks pretty outstanding bro so sinners was better avatar was better i mean yes but that's a whole different avatar versus this are completely i'm just saying it's like okay sinners what what was better about sinners visually i think it was more compelling like what scenes the cotton field scene no everything that was thank you to me that's the one that everybody talks about right they're like we actually are going to shoot practically on a gigantic field and you're going to need the entire like we need eight miles of this field to really show the the scope of work that these people were doing i think there were just way more scenes than sinners that i was like wow this looks like visually stunning that was i was never what seems specifically like not to knock sinners but like what seems specifically was like you need imax for i sinners is beautiful no doubt yeah i'm just talking about the beauty of it i because i'm against needing that extra top and bottom i don't think it's necessary like you enjoy the movie yeah just as much i don't think yeah i i didn't miss anything because i don't know what i'm missing exactly if i was the average person i would go see it on a regular shitty screen and then when imax is available you're going to want to see this movie twice it's one of those types of movies then you see it on the imax and you have a somewhat different experience the second time like that's how i would do it if anything i think i missed out on the sound because imax even has like much better sound and that's something i wish i got to experience imax sound and sound design but i'm saying two things i'm saying let's stop being extra because the way to shoot this you have you only get three minutes of actual shooting and then they have to wait 15 minutes to change the fucking tape and they had to create a whole new type of camera just so because the other the old ones are too loud they didn't have to create a new camera they have to create a casing a casing yeah because you can't record dialogue in the imax cameras yeah just shoot the shit regular stop doing that just shoot the shit it was funny because like uh nolan like uh told i guess ann hathaway she couldn't wear uggs to set and his logic was like we're making a you know a film set in like early antiquity like there's no elks back then so like exists within this this world and it's like um well there's also an imax camera yeah and the characters have to perform into a mirror because the imax camera is so big it's getting in between the characters for certain shots so it's like this is like the classic like daniel day lewis thing who like i love you know like i'm filming this movie right now with the this guy janice kaminsky is is the dp of it so he's spielberg's dp and like so he has all his guys so i'm like talking to all his like camera guys and yash and like you know they work with daniel on on on lincoln oh wow and like it was daniel day lewis is like exists within lincoln and like if you like he didn't like tape he didn't like blue or green tape these are the mark things because he that didn't exist for lincoln back then yeah like so and like he would be like like move that like he but he didn't know what it was because he's in character he's like and it's like yeah i get it but at the same time like there's all these black people working on you know what i mean like lincoln might have liked what are we doing with the black people like you know what i mean like what so like there's a certain amount of suspending disbelief and maybe maybe they're just like hey i'm already suspending disbelief with this much don't make me do any more Maybe that's the version, which I kind of get. But there is also this performative nature. Yeah. I don't know how you can be method like that. If I was method Lincoln, I would just be such a dick. Bro, apparently it's like the chick from Twilight said this. What's her name? Kristen Stewart. Yeah, apparently she was like, it's only guys that do method. There's not one woman who's method. It's just guys being gay. She's like, I literally think it's guys' egos. They don't want to be told what to do. So they'll be like, in character, you can tell me what to do. But you're not going to tell me what to do. There's not a single female actress. And there's poorly female actresses. I have to be fucking Harriet Tubman all day. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. But yeah, still, Nolan, he can do no wrong. The film was great. I just think people overhyped it a little bit. All right, guys, let's take a break for a second. What's one money lesson you wish you learned earlier and how are you trying to pass that down to your kids? 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So the uniqueness, I could make an argument for. And then the Elliot Page thing is like, it's like a nothing role. Right. People were saying that Elliot Page was going to be Achilles. And that was floated out there. It's literally just like the Daily Wire saying shit so that they could react to it. Yeah. I don't know if they actually put it out, but it feels very like Daily Wire. Like, I'm going to be angry about this movie. Oh, no. Yeah. The right was. They was hating on this shit before it came out. And they were like, it's not even going to do well. And now they got to eat their words. Also, you can put whatever characters in shit. I actually really believe that, like, as long as it doesn't feel forced. Like, if the Elliot Page character was like, as a trans soldier for the Ithacan army, everybody would be like, what the fuck am I watching? But just as some little twink soldier that's running to the horse that gets killed immediately, you don't think people on the right were like, well, they found good use. They found good use for that. A little force. What was? What was? She's not a size of a fucking army person. But that was the point. Yeah, but it's like, would they even let her put on armor? Like, you're just wasting armor. They probably let kids fight back then, you know? Well, no, they didn't let an 18-year-old get in there. No, they did. But, like, the point of that character was antinous. Robert Pattinson's character was supposed to go to war. And then his family bribed him. And then he bribes their shepherd's family to send their son instead of him, Elliot Page. So I imagine he's supposed to represent, like, the weakest, most defenseless parts of society that are taken advantage of by the wealthy to die in their place. Interesting. So you have this, at this point, it's this tiny little boy. Yeah. He's like, he looks like he's 12 going out. And then by the time you see him as Elliot Page, she's just getting fucking brutalized immediately. And it's like, it actually looks, if he's this big, monstrous soldier and he gets killed, you don't feel as bad. Oh, okay, okay. But if it's a defenseless little weakling. Gotcha. And they shouldn't have been there in the first place when this perfectly capable person should have gone. Okay. I assume that was the logic. I don't think it was like, we got to get a trans person in here so we win an Oscar. Yeah. And even if that was the thinking, they found a storyline that I thought made sense. And the Trojan horse is kind of trans anyway. Exactly. Right? Yeah. It looks like a horse. It looks like a horse on the outside, but there's a man inside trying to get out. Like, that's the trans experience, you know? Yeah. But yeah, I'm going to go see it. I'm going to see it this weekend, I promise. You know you're not. I will. I'm going to. This is right up my alley. I'm going to enjoy it. Despite what you've done. All right. Just last thing before we go. The idea of like, there's this one part at the end where I think Calypso reminds him, like, you have to submit yourself to the gods. Stop fighting. Stop fighting the gods. Something you can control everything. Like, this is not up to you. He constantly trying to control, constantly thinks he's more cunning and witty than the gods. And then she goes, you are not. And you have lost all of your men because they too thought that they were going to do it. You are the only one that's going to survive. If you submit yourself to Poseidon, Zeus will not let him kill you. He will fuck you up, but he's not going to let you kill you. And like, it was this really interesting message where like, you can fight back constantly. But at a certain point, submission is the way through. And like, there is a version of forgiveness. Like, the gods forgave him for breaking their rule as long as he was willing to submit and understand what he did. And like, that being the pathway through. Acceptance. Yeah, it's kind of beautiful. You know, like, you just project. I don't know. Do you find yourself kind of like connecting to stories within this and like projecting your life onto it? Yeah. I mean, even in reading it. Yeah. Even reading it. Even reading like the abridged versions that I read. I was like, oh, this is my experience with this thing. This is my relationship with this person. Like, it's so, so tangible. And that's the thing like that I left from it. I was like, every project that we put together, it has to be on this level of like human introspection. Because each character you have to painfully see yourselves in, in a way. You know, like your hubris has to be represented in their hubris. And like, you might not be them on their journey, but there will be decisions that they make. That you know that you've made, that you either regret or are proud of. And that you, if you are living through them, that's how you create connectability or connection, whatever, with that, with the story. Yeah. And I think that's like Bible, the Odyssey, Shakespeare. This is why reading religious history is like my favorite thing ever. Just like reading like, like the Ramayana. This is like the thing that like Marvel's based on? Maybe, I actually don't know. It's the Indian. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is like Arjun is trying to fight this battle and he's been approached by a god and he talks to the god about what it means to fight. It's just a 2,000, 3,000-year-old story that persists because it's awesome. I think, look it up, but I think Marvel, they make the argument that Marvel Universe is, I'm going to use the word inspired by. Let me see. Interesting. Or something, I don't know. Or maybe Dove was wanting to develop something around it. I'm excited for Marvel this year. We've got Spider-Man coming out soon. And Doom. Oh, it's going to be fun. It says Marvel's mythos is heavily inspired by Hindu epics. Marvel directly features the Hindu pantheon in the realm of Nirvana. Anyway, fire. Should we rip some feelings and facts? How was the World Cup final? That shit was unbelievable. Fire, right? I mean, like outside of going to see the Knicks, outside of going to see Knicks game 3, 4, 5, even just 4, 5, maybe there was like a UFC event that I went to, but that was like the greatest athletic experience I ever had. And like, maybe it's different. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's go. Let's go. Maybe it's different watching soccer live. You know, certain sports, like watching NFL football live sucks. Yeah. It's horrible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's a game of inches that you're watching from. You can't see the inches. Yeah. So you don't know what a three yard run is. Yeah. And yeah, for me, I need someone to explain what's going on. Like, oh, this rule was violated. It's a flag on the play because of this. And now they need to do this to win. Yeah, but I'm straight. So like, I understand more or less what's happening in the game. You sound like a girl right now. Yeah, it's a little helpful. Because I'd be like, oh, this number guy. No, I don't relate to that at all. Just because I like girls. No, we all need that. For me, I understand when I'm watching the game. But I could totally imagine if you like stuffing cocks in your butt, how like you would be confused when you watch soccer or football. Yeah. Anyway, that was crazy. You just said that. I can't believe you just admitted that. That shit is hard to know. We don't even watch soccer. I know all the rules of soccer. No, how does offsides work when the goalkeeper comes up? You can't pass the line. What if he becomes the last man? That's not offsides. Yeah. If it's in the box. No. But that never happens. With football, you know what's happening. He hands him the roundish looking thing, and he tries to go forward. That's good. When he goes back, that's bad. Yeah. Yeah. That part I get. There's no other rules. What's a tush push? What is that even? No. How many times has that happened that you got to worry about? Who even knows? Yeah. I don't even know. I don't even know what's going on. It never happens. You just read that on the internet. You're reaching right now. Yeah. Okay. So there was criticism about the game because it was low scoring or whatever. And again, maybe being there, when you watch the sport live, you really enjoy it or something. Maybe it's just a very enjoyable thing to watch live soccer. I haven't really watched it live, so I wouldn't know. Oh, I like live. Live is fine. I was mesmerized. Mm-hmm. I was mesmerized. Just seeing the buildup, the tension. You have to appreciate almost. You know the best guys with women are the guys that enjoy hitting on them even if they don't get them. Mm-hmm. Because they enjoy the soccer of it. They enjoy almost scoring. That's fun to them. Yeah. Yeah. Like, the guys that are worse than women are the guys that need to score. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the guys that enjoy the chat, they enjoy the game, they enjoy the buildup. Mm-hmm. They are the best. That's what soccer is. It's all tension and buildup. I love it. I fucking. And even low-scoring games, it's like, when you have sex, there's only one nut, maybe two. Exactly. You don't need much more. Yeah. But the whole experience is fire. When you understand a sport, it's like boxing. It's like, you can watch a Mayweather fight. Some people think it's boring. Right. And I'm like, no, that's. Exactly impressive. Yeah. And the similarities with boxing do not end there. You can absolutely dominate a fight on points in boxing, meaning like your Mayweather style out boxing the opponent. But there's always a chance you could get knocked out. Yeah. Yeah. And when a game is 0-0. Always a chance. Even though Spain was dominating them, all it takes is one header off a corner, one header off a set piece, one missed. Anything. One mistake. There was still excitement in it, because even though Argentina was getting absolutely dominated. Belt to ass. Belt to ass. Mm-hmm. They were in it. And you knew if it went to penalties, you're like, these motherfuckers are going to win. Right? You knew it. It's like a villain that won't die. Yes. It's like they keep on squeaking by every single game. Are they going to be able to do it again? Yeah. Great choice of words. Villain. Yeah. Yeah. People are not happy about it. Did you see the fight afterwards? You saw the brawl? No, we dipped, bro. Oh, you missed the best part. He left at halftime. You missed the best part. We watched the whole thing, but the second it was over, we fucking got up out of there. Yeah. Bro. The true winners of the World Cup. America. Israel. Tell me why. Why? country do people hate more right now? Oh, you think they hate Argentina? So they handed off their hate to Argentina? Open up your timeline right now. Nobody cares about what Israel's doing. How do they hate the team they lost? I mean, they fight. They're sore losers. They're rough on the field. All of a sudden, we all know about Argentina in history. We ain't know none of that shit. I'll be honest with you. There wasn't a single Spanish fan in that motherfucker. The whole thing was Argentina and then people who hate Argentina. There was maybe one section where I saw a lot of Spaniards and they had some drums going. Outside of that, it was white and blue everybody and then just people who hate Argentina. I know there was that many Argentinians here. I was walking around New York. I'm like, where the fuck's Spanish jerseys? I think it's like when you see people wearing a Steph Curry jersey. They're not really Golden State fans. They're Messi fans. Yeah. That's what I assumed it was because I was like, ain't no way. And the vibes there, it wasn't what I imagined a football game would be. I thought it was going to be a lot of chants going the whole time. Maybe it's just Argentine fans. They don't really do that as much. They be chanting. So they try to get some chants going, but you couldn't really feel it. It's like Miles' chants. Whatever Miles would say, they be chanting like that. Really? What the fuck are you saying? Yo, Al peed in a cup. Illegally. At a theater in New York City. I said that myself. See, now you snitching on a black man. Damn, bro. I think the price point probably made the chanting a little hard. If I had to guess. Got it. The folks that are spending 10 grand a ticket, I don't know if those are the chanting types. There are some people in my comments upset that I went because of the cost of it. Like I paid. I don't care about soccer that much to pay for that shit. Why would they be upset? No, I don't know. Because it's like a ridiculous amount of money to go to these games. It's like going to the Super Bowl. It's like, yeah, you're going to spend a ridiculous amount of money. I don't think anybody was upset that I went to the next finals. Ah, they're like, Oh, you don't care about this and you're taking up a spot that somebody else could have had. Oh, yeah, I see that. Well, you weren't really taking a spot. I wasn't really taking a spot, you know what I mean? Shout out Kalshi, bro. They had some opening in a booth and it was fire. It was stacked, bro. We had Martha Stewart up in there. Oh, Martha's the goat. You chopped it up with Martha? Of course I chopped it up, man. She has vibes. And then I was Martha came back to chop it up with me. And I had just eaten a blackberry or I put it in my mouth and my wife was like, there's a whole disease with fucking fruits and vegetables. Why would you be eating blackberries off of this tray? And I was like, I didn't know there's a disease in fruits and vegetables. So I spit it back in my hand. Second, I turn away to go throw it in the garbage. Martha's coming over trying to chop it up, but I got a mask. Blackberry in my hand. So I'm like, I got to get this shit out of my hand before I can have this conversation. You weren't all white, too. No, it was bad. So fumbled that, but she's a fucking bomb. I also have no clue how to operate in a box. Like when you're in a box, you get a ticket still with a seat. So I'm trying to be a rule follower because I don't know how to operate in a box. So I got to my seat and it's Miles Garrett and Chloe Kim. Miles Garrett is the NFL player and Chloe Kim is, I think, she's a professional snowboarder. Okay. They're a couple. Miles Garrett's huge. I've never been Miles Garrett shirtless. I got to, you know, I go, Miles. I said, hey, man, pleasure to meet you. This is, look, this is what my seat says. I'm like, God, I don't want to get in trouble over here. I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to get in trouble. Okay. Okay. Serena Williams walking in with her husband and started Reddit. I almost had to, you know, be like, yo, you caused a lot of pain for me on this fucking app you made. Like, I almost had to check him on that shit. It turns out he's fucking 6'6 Armenian. I was like, all right, man, you got it. He would have sent Serena to take you. Serena might have been able to do that. Might have been able to do that. Anyway, so I had to say, hey, guys, like, you know, we got to be in our seats. We got to follow the rules. It's Zeus's law or whatever. It is, isn't it? And so they're looking at me confused because they've probably been in boxes. And the rule of the box is just you sit wherever. Like, this is family dinner. There's no assigned seats. So we go, we go, OK, blah, blah, blah. You know, you got to go there. And it's better seats, by the way. I didn't want to take the better seat. It was in the front row. Oh, wow. So I'm in the last row. I'm like, I don't want to take anybody's good seat. So they switch with us and they don't really seem that excited about it. And I realized why is because the front row was the only row getting blasted by sun. And it was like 100 degrees. Oh, shit. Bro, I started to feel bad, man. Chloe was going to get water bottles and putting it to Miles's neck. Miles is the only black guy in the box. So he's absorbing the sun from everybody else. And she's a snowboarder. She's used to it. cold conditions she's asian they hate this like she is the worst nightmare so i felt bad and at the first hydration break i was like yo guys i didn't realize what i was doing like if you guys want to switch back you guys absolutely can't but now with me now they said are you sure they hit me with the polite yes we'll do that immediately okay so we switched back and let them go was that a real offer you were just i was a real genuine offer like i spoke to him about i was like yo i feel bad like we didn't know the rules here like and it seems like we wanted the shade like they probably think we wanted the shade not that i don't know how to exist in these spaces so uh so it's just vibes that's all you gotta become a official soccer fan like i like it i like it i like soccer you need a premier league team yeah who do i go with fc barcelona but that's not premier league yeah i was always a barca fan okay yeah always love barca you don't even watch this i think you need to get i think we need the audience to give you a pitch yeah who should i go with man like i've seen a bunch of flow charts about like if you like this if you want to win trophies if you like history and it tells you what team you're on yeah but i think you just need to get pitched from the audience yeah yeah yeah tell me which team i should get guys i gotta know i feel like you're a man you fan but isn't man you like the front runners not lately like i kind of want a knicks like i want a team with like legacy and pride and then after decades finally wins the champion championship again okay is that arsenal why are you accident yeah i'm not i'm not primarily expert like why are you also went to the champions league finals so they're pretty good what league expert are you yeah none bro what do you need to see bro maybe some history mark mark has ptsd from getting one soccer thing wrong yo just soccer fans are ruthless bro all we do is get shit done shit wrong that's yeah i know that's the mythology of our podcast just say some wrong shit who cares no but soccer fans are ruthless how what happened so we watching the game spain versus france mark david they go from france i'm going for spain i'm talking shit i'm a shit talking new yorker i don't give a fuck about this shit they were salty what did i do they was getting in a feeling david was yo david david takes it serious yeah son david get in here ever since then mark been chipping at me like just what did i do no no you guys were getting a little yeah he was just chipping at me i'm like bro i'm rooting for my girl i'm almost trying to get it up bro i don't need to be sensitive about alex you got to keep your jersey how far is that you should keep your jersey mark you see he does this aggressive he does this fake little shit and i'm like mark we know he had the tag on his jersey i was like bro you got to keep that it's part of world cup history are you mad because you wear jerseys all my jerseys are fake yeah but you don't have to like i don't care no you should keep the jersey from the world cup but soccer fans you see they they really i want you to be a fan y'all need to be nicer bro that's all i'm saying it's not that serious my point was that i want you to be a fan you have a jersey from a team and i'm like bro you should become a fan forever keep the jersey for the next world cup and then you have the ogs yo hold on i'm trying to find out forgive and forget jesus i love when al you know al's been drinking oh my god he's in the group it's just it's crazy son i'm getting random shots at me because y'all mad y'all random shots he's out oh this is the thing that fucking infuriate here we go here we go here we now we're getting into it um david about to be ecuadorian again was that it miles yeah him you were denying your fucking spaniard history and then all of a sudden your team lost so now it's like oh i'm a spanish fan now exactly that's how the world cup goes you just kind of root for it he was about to fight me when we was like outside he had to come over to me and i was going to apologize no i'm still expecting an apology from you but for what christian you're a christian or a catholic what do i do you know what you do i put my hand out and said hey great game and then al goes i'm a bad winner and then all the comments flame and he's like what he asked if you still had the tag on your jersey yeah out of nowhere because he was going to return the jersey and i was like no you should keep it you should have this for you it's part of the history i don't know what he's doing explain explain bless your heart you're going to bless your heart passive aggression and i know what i'll say in response france sucks i was like yeah they lost and then no no and then he points out a spelling typo oh yeah i mean you can't you you gotta you gotta spell right you know you tight when that's the room you go too tight right now and then the next thing you guys are name a player on a team i'm like bro i'm just rooting for my wife's team bro it's not that serious they was in their field no you don't think it's no no a hundred percent i want everyone to be a soccer fan next world cup everyone has a team and then as it goes you pick a new team well what do you mean he did it again let me understand it almost broke us up no hold on you want credit for liking the best team in the last 20 years no no you've always liked the best team no like what what credit 2010 they were terrible 2014 they were terrible all right so you had two world cups where they weren't the front runners when you were five yeah yeah every other one they in the finals i can't choose where i'm born bro we don't get to choose these things this is just fate this is the this is zeus maybe it's been he was so tight right why are you angry at al i'm angry that i was put it on me when i was trying to be supportive you were not you told him to return the jersey no i said keep it he was going to take the jersey off and return it i was like no you got to keep the jersey because it's fire it's history you you i tried to get him a spain jersey i literally had my friend drive from bensonhurst to try to bring him a spain jersey is that true a team who used smelly jersey yes you did from the last world cup you did try because every tournament you go to you wear the old jersey and then it's like oh i've been a fan since all the way before spain bust for its ass that was and then it was before that game it was before that game i was like bro you got to represent spain oh so you wanted him to be in the loser jersey and then wear it and have the stench of loss and then it backfired exactly and now you're tight exactly yeah you see exactly but i'm glad it's over we're family now are we though i feel like mark is still tight hey now i don't know maybe i gotta wait four years and run it back and stuff like that man we good i love you bro it's honestly annoying when he's like flipping it okay and i'm like bro you gotta keep your jersey he goes man why are you so tight and i'm like that's not how to comment no it's fine the annoying thing is al is so blatantly fake yes and and i want him to be real no you don't no you need to keep the jersey you you know you don't wait why you talk in new york about some shit i don't give a fuck i don't know if you want him to be real or not but you wanted to acknowledge that you're not being fake no i want him to become a spain fan no in every world why would i not want this no you every world cup that goes forward we're all fans of a team i don't understand i i want to help you yeah but once you start doing the fucking what do i want for that that's up to you you gotta be on the island with calypso bro you need seven years he's gonna be playing poker and start buffing like this so so so yes in an ideal world you would like al to be like i don't care about any of this shit and nothing matters to me at all no and the way that when the knicks were winning al goes yo you need a knicks jersey i was like yes dude i think i'm a knicks fan seeing the knicks win is so cool being in new york the energy's fire are you al in this circumstance for the knicks yeah yeah so what you're trying to say is al's not really a fan and he's jumping on the bandwagon of the spain no we're all bandwagon if you don't grow up watching soccer eventually something gets you and you're like wow this is the greatest game ever like when you went to the final yeah and then i want everyone to become a fan of the greatest game yeah i mean it is an amazing game it's the best yeah and so i want al to become like a barcelona fan go to the game and then every time they're in the champions league it's like oh fire we get to watch an awesome game and actually feel it and that's the beautiful benevolent side of you that is the only side i don't understand how that's a diss to be like hey keep your jersey but the dichotomy of man well How would you interpret it if it could be a diss? If you interpret it as, hey, return it, then it's a diss. Well, let's say that you got a piece of dialogue written by Christopher Nolan. And Christopher Nolan said, you're a bad guy. How would you mean this exact line as a bad guy? I would mean, you're a fake fan. Return your jersey because you don't even care. Now, do you find it odd that literally everyone but you interpreted that line in that exact way? As I'm saying it, I can realize how it's interpreted that way. But you're saying in your core you did not mean it in that way. No. Bullshit. Why would I take a shot? You didn't say it, though. I'm not a shot taker. He said, I'm not a shot taker. Did you take the tag off the jersey? Like, that in itself is pointing it out. Even if you took the tag off the jersey, you could still return it. Why are you so worried about the— No, no, no. You've got to resell it the whole time. You can't return it without the tag? Yes, you can. David, would you like to chime in here? Yeah, the day after Spain and France played, I apologized to you. I apologized to you, and then I called Mark to apologize for my emotions. And he goes, no, honestly, I wanted you to go harder at Al. Oh, there we go! Why lie to our friends? There we go! So now you've just been lying to us this whole time. Look at how long you've been lying to us. You read it at balls when he says the N-word, so this shit is crazy. Why can't we just enjoy this moment? When in that moment, Al was being annoying. What was annoying about Al? That he was intentionally trying to rile up me and David. In what way was he intentionally trying to do it? He said, you guys suck. Dang. Yeah, I don't know how you can recover from that. It's not like we're watching sports and you root for the team. Yeah, yeah. It's not like you talk shit about the other team. Anytime France made a bad pass, we'd go. I was like, oh, that's annoying. Oh, live. You guys are watching it live. Yeah, but once I know I'm under your skin, oh, I am going to work now. Yeah. Yes. But then after the game, I was like, hey, great game. Gave you a handshake. But I know it's fake. It's not. It's a great game. David, fume it. Fume it. I didn't shake your hand. Well, also, that's David. David is fuming at the smallest. Why were you not rooting for Spain? I he's a traitor. No, I love Mbappé a lot. And I love the French team. They're amazing players. So I wanted. Also, Mbappé got his second World Cup before 30. Yeah. Crazy. Who's the trans from Euphoria? Hunter Schaefer. He loves her. Mbappé. Oh, Mbappé stole your chick? It's a hell of a choice. Launch a thousand ships, David. Launch the ships. Talk about Yemene LeMol's girl. Heartbreaking. Heartbreaker. If it's true. Yeah. If it's true. We don't know if it's true. None of this is true, bro. Come on, get out of here. But allegedly, she was with a guy three weeks before, like, the World Cup. And it was like, I love you, baby. And then during the celebration, she's with Yemene LeMol. Man, whatever. Have y'all seen Temptation Island? These Spanish women leave for less. OK? Shout out Montoya. Montoya knows. Montoya? Montoya knows. Montoya knows what these Spanish women will do, given the right circumstances. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not even for the, you know, best player in the world or the best young player in the world. So, come on. Chill out with all that. I mean, he's up there. Is he not the best young player in the world? LeMene? Yeah. Yeah. You said he's up there. Oh, you said he's not. No, I said he is. No, he is. He's the best young player in the world. I was going to say, he ain't really show out in the World Cup. Because they be talking about what he's doing in Europe, but he ain't show out in the World Cup. Yeah, in the final. Like, he came in with a hamstring injury. I thought he was doing work. He only had one goal and zero assists. Oh, in the whole World Cup. Yeah. Oh, in the final, though, I thought that he was doing, like, there were moments in the second half where I thought that he was kind of, like, fading from the moment, let's say, if I was to be hypercritical. But, like, they were working through him, and he was guarded well, it seemed, and he was, like, kind of creating opportunities. It's not like Spain didn't. Spain could have won that game 5-0, given the amount of opportunities. Like, the goalie did an unbelievable job. Like, un-fucking. You didn't think so? He had one good save. Every other. Every. Every save off a header. Every shot was right at him. The free kick save was amazing. Sure, sure, sure. But still, like, we're talking about a save off of a header, right? Like, that ball can go anywhere. Also, the whole tournament. If you count the whole tournament, I mean. Dibu conceded, like, three goals a game in that tournament. Are you talking about the Spanish goalkeeper? No, no, no. You're talking about Argentina. I'm talking about, was it Emi Martinez or whatever his name is? Yeah. But, like, I don't know. Spanish goalkeeper, too. I don't know. Spain. This is what we were saying. But before, like, he's just realized how far behind the U.S. is. And low-key, everybody's far behind. You know, because, like, Argentina looks far behind. Like, Spain made Argentina look like the U.S. Yeah. Like, literally. Like, Spain's the midfield play. And I say this as a complete soccer casual. Complete and utter control. Whenever they got the ball, it was either direct pass or one touch. When the guys in the U.S. midfield get the ball, it feels like it takes five seconds just to corral it before they then start to net. And you don't have a chance to build a play if you don't have the midfield setting it up. It's like having a point guard with no handle in basketball. That's what it felt like. Like, when you have a point guard that can get the ball up and then set up the offense, you're in a really good position for your star players to score. If you can't get the ball up, how are you going to get it in the hands of your star players? Yeah. And, like, I don't know. Maybe that's just a specific Spain thing. It's interesting. In my experience, it falls apart for America at, like, 17, 18 years old. Like, from, like, 14 to 15, you can get a collection of American players to play some of the best clubs in Europe, and, like, it's competitive or they win. It's when you go to college, you're trying to play in the MLS, that's when it falls apart. You get a young Luminia Mall playing for Barcelona when he's, what, 17? Yeah. 16? 15, actually, yeah. 15? Yeah. So he gets called to the first team at 15 years old. By the time he's 20, he's had five years on the greatest team. Against, like, real pros. Against real pros. Whereas you have our guys spending a year in college, maybe they go play in the MLS, and it's like, you don't have the level. But how does that affect the touch you have? The issue is that I think in the youth system in America, they focus more on athleticism and, like, durability rather than technique. Like, Brazilians, when they grow up, they play indoors. Like, five a side. They play futsal. There's also a big focus on game winning. Like, when you're in the youth program in America, it's like you want to be on the best team that wins all the time, and that often can be from a coach that has a great system, but not necessarily developing the best individualism, individual players. Yeah. So as a result, like, they'll win games against great competition, but then you get old enough, lose the decision-making and the speed, and then it falls apart. I mean, I was watching that, the Spanish midfield. None of them seemed like athletes. Rodri? When you see Rodri, it doesn't look like he's the greatest player in the world. With no disrespect to them at all, they do not seem like athletes. But they did this thing that, like, it doesn't really exist, in, like, the sports that I care about, where simply holding the ball is an act of aggression. Simply holding the ball and making the defense chase you is an act of aggression. Because you're not really making, like, the defenders chase you. You're making the midfielders run around. And now those same guys have to go set up offense after they're fucking exhausted from chasing you around because you've been holding 70% of possession or whatever. Like, sometimes this works in football, like American football, but it's different because the defense and offense are completely different players. So, yeah, your defense can be exhausted, and then the offense can, like, you know, impose their will. But, like, once the offense comes back on, they're fresh because they've been sitting down the whole time. Soccer's not like that. That midfield got to play fucking D. And then the second shit changes, now you're just out of breath. You finally get the ball back, and then you have to go and start to mount this comeback. I thought it was so impressive. And even though there was no scoring, just the way that they would, like, methodically build up a play and then use their offensive, like, one-on-one players, the way that they use Lamine or Nico to set up offensive strikes. Yeah, maybe they didn't execute but one. They had 20. Yeah. It felt like they had 10 that were, like, legit this could go in. Maybe that's a lot. Seven, I don't know. But, like, it was beautiful to see. So, can we talk about the corruption? Because everybody's talking about that. I don't know the game well enough to be like, oh, yeah, that should have been called this and it wasn't called. Let me explain it. We lent Argentina $100 billion to stabilize their economy. We need to make sure that they made that money back. So, they made the final, and now they made enough money where they can pay us back the interest or whatever the big is on that money. I think it's that simple. But, I mean, this has been the case for a while now. Well, we've been bailing them out for a long time. You know, this is what we do. Argentina's the only team to make it to the semifinal without playing a top-ten team. This one and other times, or just this one? This one is the only one. The group stage was super easy. Yeah. Egypt, Cape Verde, great teams, especially Egypt, but not a top-ten team. Yeah. Whereas Spain is playing France, Portugal. Like, they're playing some of the best teams in the world. Yeah. Crazy. I mean, America, if we beat Belgium, had to play Spain. What the fuck is going on? How do we have it at home? How do we not have the easiest bracket? That's insane. Yeah. Like, everybody made this big deal about, like, Trump asking Balogun to be brought back on. It's like, put us in the fucking right bracket. Portugal, Spain, France aren't playing. He's talking real corruption. Real corruption. Yeah, I know. Yeah, we didn't corrupt. There is a conspiracy theory going around about Argentina. Yes. So, there's a couple little layers here. Scaloni, the coach for Argentina, arrives at the stadium and gets off the team bus in tears. Yes. Allegedly. Messi misses every single shot in the warm-up. I saw that. Messi's family didn't come to the stadium. Allegedly. Whoa. The entire squad walked out of the dressing room with their heads down, completely shaken. Enzo. And Licha are both seen crying, allegedly. Messi is heard saying, let's forget about everything. Let's just play. Forget about everything. Everyone around him looks very somber. Scaloni abandons the tactical approach that had worked throughout the tournament, leaving the midfield exposed against a team whose midfield is their best strength. Argentina had zero shots in 90 minutes. And Latorre, one of their biggest attacking weapons, never comes in. Couttie Romero and Lissandra Martinez asked to be substituted because of injuries, yet, according to this, neither of them look to be in obvious pain. They're two toughest players in the tournament Spain commits over 20 fouls without receiving a card. Allegedly. Cucurea somehow escapes a red card after covering his mouth, which is bullshit. Bullshit. Spain's celebration feels subdued, and they're suggesting that somehow they were talked to before the game. Saying? Hey, you guys got to give it up. This is the conspiracy. Can I just say something? I don't believe this. I'm just floating the conspiracy. This is the most Argentine conspiracy that could ever be concocted. Because it plays into their arrogance. The only way that they could live lose is if they had to give it up yes like the only way they could conceptualize their team being outplayed is if they said okay we'll just let them beat us there's no fucking way they're saying that the malvinas protest that they did like holding up the sign that like the falkland islands belonged to argentina they said that was in contempt of fifa's official rules they should have been fine and so they should have been fine so they were told that like hey you guys got to pull out these players the two players holding the sign where the two guys were subbed off oh shit how how uh how much corruption exists in soccer at the highest level it seems like a lot like real corruption not like behind the scenes there was the whole set bladder thing um you know rewarding the world cups to qatar and russia and there was later found out that he was bribed for so to me that's not that's corruption but it's not corruption that affects play for like match fixing yeah well there are examples in the past i feel like if you don't call a foul that's clearly a foul that's corruption during the gameplay that it would be corruption like this would be the argument they would make for the nba that the nba controls which refs go to which games it's not random and that they might throw in a ref to extend a series because it makes more money for everybody involved so that to me i'm like okay this is corruption that affects the way the outcome of the game playing in qatar is to me it's like yeah sucks but it sucks for everybody it seemed like every single argentine game people were pointing out calls that weren't made like fouls that they committed that weren't being called but then this this theory was saying that hey spain's calls weren't getting calls i'm like it's really just who makes the story did you really think the argentina wasn't trying that's the allegation argentina's the worst team to make the final in my lifetime like truly yeah so like they were never gonna win that game they got there luckily right like they were getting outplayed played in most of their games and then in the last few minutes they find a way to pull it off so like they luckily got there and then they went against the best team in the world like i don't think anybody would question that right sorry mark but it is right are they not the best team in the world it's like unbelievable so that's what happens now what i mean it was miraculous that they were able to like stay in it i think america would have done better yeah oh no i agree better but also like stay in it i mean like it was one nil and i don't the game never felt close like i don't think argentina were ever gonna win that game even with the late pushes at the last five they could barely get the ball past the midfield yeah they were never gonna win that what i didn't understand is like why and i was texting the group and also mark about this like why not feed it to messy every single time and just let him do something that's a lot to ask for a 38 year old messy against like the best defense in the world it's the last game you're gonna fucking pitch even though like he was just shut down like if you look at every time against the ball there's three guys yeah pressing hard go you're already doing nothing you can't do less than nothing it's not like they were doing anything it's not like they were getting shots on goal or anything if i'm not getting anything at all what it felt like is since it was zero zero they're like all right guys we're gonna play for penalties certainly after the red card that was their even before the red card they i felt like they just submitted they were like all right guys we're gonna play for penalties because once we're in the red card we're gonna play for penalties it's even again because they're absolutely whooping their favorite in our okay maybe their favorite but like in my mind i'm like it's zero zero we can't get the ball past the midfield just give it to messy let him draw attention because naturally he's going to draw more attention than the other players and then see what happens with that attention why the fuck wouldn't you at least try that the issue is that they weren't even given the opportunity to collect the ball and then give it to messy you know what i mean like building out if spain lose the ball they're going to press you high they're not going to sit back and then let you like so then have messy pull back to the midfield that's what he was doing pull further back get in the goal get in the goal like literally hand the ball off to him at the goal and then just let him cook on the way up who gives this is your last game i'm sorry like i know that there's a lot of people who love messy etc but like if i knew that that's my last game if jordan thought that it was his last ever game playing for your international team in a world cup final do you think he's walking around counting blades of grass for fucking 120 minutes like messy was no give me a rock every single fucking time but that is how he plays it's like that's how messy plays he just stands there and then eventually he gets into the game once the ball gets near him but when he when the ball's not near and i think don't do shit well he need to be there bro i'm sorry like i think you need a ball hog a little bit unless they told him to stop i mean listen if we're gonna get into it would ronaldo let that happen no would he let that happen he would be probably a little more tenacious certainly he'd be at least more mad he would yell at his teammates more yeah get in there make it happen there's a famous match match fix argentina peru yeah but wasn't this about both were trying to lose or something that was a different one that was uh algeria they know it's like west germany and austria so what happened with argentina peru argentina needs to beat peru by four goals to overtake brazil to get to the on a differential argentina was ruled by a military dictatorship that wanted to win the world cup at home the art of the world cup is being played in argentina dictator jorge videa padella visited the peruvian dressing room before the match and then something happens argentina suddenly achieved exactly the huge victory that they needed and then later accounts allege diplomatic financial or political pressure on peru to throw the game fire that's leadership that's leadership not oh back in the game and then we still get our ass kicked this is leadership or diego maradona putting uh sedatives in the goalkeeper's water yeah the three real real yeah he admitted to it i think in like 2004 or five right that's the three that that's you really want to win that is if you're not cheating you're not trying yeah bro you're at this is these are rats we're dealing with this is bad for the game what are you talking about don't die you'll live through a nuclear holocaust you watch a sport where they fake cry on the ground to get a call like yeah who's the integrity in the nba what shea he flops every possession it's the same thing in every other sport yeah we don't respect it we complain about it in football and you guys you exaggerate contact it's and we don't like it it's we call it out but you guys like oh it's the best exclusive to soccer it's not it's really they get they get defensive about this i know that's why i just kept doing it kids always die that's why i kept doing it i remember i had a practice before with this big tournament in germany and i got hit and i didn't go down and my coach stops practicing goes if you ever get hit like that again you fucking go down you get a penalty really yeah because if you're trying to win the game you got hit go down get the penalty we're trying to win this game so they taught you to suck meat like that's the thing i don't get about part of this part of being a great player you gotta be an actor it's part of being a great soccer player you gotta be an actor well in the way to draw the foul and get the penalty yeah but i'm just saying oh they all do it but that's the fact that it's part of the game yeah not holland holland doesn't go down yeah he doesn't fire and he gets buckets well i told you he's gonna be the greatest but he fucked up because in the premier league this year i had player headbutted him he doesn't go down if that player were suspended on on arsenal gabriel magalich they probably wouldn't have won the premier league title but that's a hypothetical yeah no that's a very very real situation you want to win on your i won the premier league because i pretended to get knocked down yeah you would rather win by putting sedatives in a goalkeeper's bottle than diving one game but doesn't every sport have that to an extent like even like not drawing fouls but like someone has the ball you foul them to like put them at the line yeah and then shoot yeah it's like all right well now you're just winning who can shoot the best free throw yeah but we think that that sucks too yeah we never say like this is a good part of the game but it just is yeah but you guys don't point it out that it's a bad part of the game i think yeah i don't know you're embarrassed you're embarrassed by it but you're being defensive and you're to lose on a dive i'd be pissed i'd be like well now with var there's no dives here they are they gave a guy a fucking red for a yellow for okay there's a difference between diving and exaggerating he got hit right the yellow kubarsi on the second yellow he got hit you think he simulated that i think he he definitely exaggerated the flip but he got hit no that's not the one i'm talking about what are you talking they gave someone a yellow in the final for faking a fall completely i think it was an argentine player oh no they gave enzo his first yellow card for uh descent yeah he was yelling at the ref oh really yeah it wasn't diving oh they did a review and it was like completely fake no it wasn't even enzo it was a different guy i don't know are you talking about the game against the no there's one that i was just at like it was a complete dive the switzerland argentina one switzerland argentina guy dives and then gets a card for that sent off okay and that was bullshit anyway look soccer is fun last thing yeah this was funny to me so dove has an argentinian jersey on yeah and he's like yo i can't fuck with spain they kicked my people out in 1492 but then you're rooting for the country that accepted the nazis it's a very difficult situation i think now it's kind of also spain has a moroccan player yeah yeah it's it's a very difficult situation rock in a hard place yeah but listen aren't you going to shoot like that means this people that come for you are going to from the descendants of Nazis. - But there's a lot of Jews in Argentina. like all right uh these are if i'm gonna go to a country right now they'd probably be vibing more with argentina 1492 1491 1491 whatever yeah yeah what happened to 1492 well no it's very important because in 1492 spain becomes a global superpower maybe a coincidence yes it's obviously a complete coincidence obviously a complete coincidence that literally a year later they sail the ocean blue and then dominate all of central and south america which is bad north america maybe that's bad which is bad maybe the jews would have stopped them but they were like don't do that yeah don't do right now too much yeah there's a lot of emphasis yeah yeah but there's look there's a lot of beef obviously you know in spain even between like the moors and the uh non-moors yeah but the spanish beef all the time with each other that's just a part of being spanish yeah everybody in europe in the basque of the catalonia yeah it's part of it's we don't get along that's a very yeah that's a norm thing out here yeah very americanable yeah yes i feel like we get along better yeah we're not trying to succeed all the time because we don't have as individual identities like the only people in america that have that are like texas and and oh new yorkers no new yorkers don't think that we're separate from america we think we're the best texans in their part of their ethos is like we are our own and we could be if we wanted you hate to admit it but like they could i think they have like the largest military complex in the world like including america or something like that like it's in they could easily i think we we'd play this game before but like texas versus any country in europe militarily texas wins yeah but texas versus the rest of america no no america wins oh okay yeah no of course so just stay in your place of course and that's what we say to them yeah but like they're the only ones in america they're like we're not we don't have to be america we have our own identity and they weren't we had to like pull them in i forget who went down there sam houston or something like that sounds right but like so yeah but like in europe and even within spain it's like the idea of spain is kind of novel it's like a new thing for them there were all these little kingdoms and they're like all right well we want to just fucking like bunch together and then we'll become a country yeah and that's kind of all of europe yeah italy italy italy just became italy like 10 years ago yeah not 10 years but like in the 1900s yeah i thought that shit happened in like 1600s it was like 1978 yeah that's recent like they're italians in america did like have a lineage to a country that didn't even exist yeah and now you get what they're all like oh i'm sicilian i'm venetian because you weren't italian it didn't even i'm from the people of states or whatever like italy was well when did they become actually italy 50 something yeah i think it was like 50 around mussolini after mussolini it was post-world war ii yeah that they became like the unified whatever they later became a democratic republic in 1946 but they were a country under the kingdom in 1861 still but 46 is when america's older than them america's older than italy think about that sorry respect right 250 respect fire yeah i'm glad this world cup is over why no imagine it just happened all the time every year but that wouldn't be a special 64 teams which i'm a big fan of oh more teams like i want random matchups more teams yeah like what random i mean i want north korea versus vatican city fire right like how sick would that be like i did i want random ass teams you would never expect i completely agree about maybe italy can get in no that won't be possible but like yeah more teams because stretch it out make it go longer yeah we like this it's only it's also one hour every four years yeah and the perfect timing for america because we have no sports that we care about for another few months yeah so this is the gap but can it go on for longer with all those other leagues yeah then other leagues don't matter and also like it's not like every team manages to make it through once you're out you go play in your other little league yeah what if you end so now one team might be missing their best player it is what it is bro i don't know what to tell you like this is what matters fighting for country right the league shut down no they keep playing there's only one league that's in the summer europe one major european leagues are off from may to august but like south american mls yeah mls they pause when they play oh whatever none of them matter so just do it do it all through and through yeah yeah i think we need something right anyway fellas we appreciate you we love you we see you next week peace peace endless summer escapes start here travel the worlds of netflix irl inspired by fan favorites like stranger things and squid game brave the upside down face off with the front man play leveled up arcade games shop exclusive merch and enjoy themed food and drinks beat the heat play eat and shop on repeat at netflix house at galleria dallas bring your crew and save 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