Epstein & UFOs: The Secret Science Honeypot (Ft. Jay Anderson & Kurt Metzger)

The Vatican City of London, you know, Knights of Malta, do you think any of these groups have disproportionate power to them? Oh, she did it. Yeah, like, I would agree with Kuzlo. President Trump is confronting a growing backlash from his own base. The fight is dividing Maga supporters. Donald Trump, he promised them so he needs to do it. Just this month, we learned a very hard truth that our government is not our government. It's controlled by deeper power structures involving systems of blackmail and compromise. Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for years. I'm, of course, talking about the notorious case of Jeffrey Epstein. His handler is Lane Maxwell, and their client list, the rich, powerful elite that he procured sexual favors for from unwilling, underage women. And on the wall, there was a big artwork of a woman being (bleep) by a walrus. Oh, wow. I'm also talking about Cash Patel, Dan Bongina, Pam Bondi, Trump, and his whole team, campaigning on exposing Epstein's network, and then turning around and gaslighting the American public, acting like Epstein was a lone actor who took his own life in jail. And are people still talking about this guy, this creep? That is unbelievable. Just like you have the lone shooter theory with JFK, claiming that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. He obviously didn't. You have the lone sex trafficker theory with Jeffrey Epstein. Nobody believes the state line here. And this time, due to social media and podcasts, nobody believes anybody else believes this. And it's not going away. I know for a fact, documents are being suppressed. And they're being suppressed and protected individuals. Wired magazine, a fairly conventional tech publication, just revealed that the metadata from Jeffrey Epstein's prison cell video that was supposed to point to his suicide had been edited, likely using Adobe Premiere. And when it was originally released, a whole minute was missing. Giselle and Maxwell is in jail right now for sex trafficking. But there are no perpetrators of the actual crime. Who were her clients she sex trafficked young women, too? You have all these women, these victims coming out, but you have no clients. That's a basic logical fallacy. Justice now is holding accountable perpetrators that helped him and participated with him. Finally, Team Trump is doing something really interesting. They are just engaging in the typical political food fight. They could say that the FBI under Biden just destroyed the evidence around Epstein because Trump telegraphed that they wanted transparency. But no, they're acting like Epstein was some lone sexual deviant who isn't part of some larger shadow network that actively has leverage over American leaders. They're gaslighting and telling you to look away. And quite honestly, they're acting like they themselves are compromised. Is there a lesson for you, for anyone else looking at this? Well, he's dead, so in general, you always have to be careful. Anyways, like I said, everybody knows all this stuff. I don't have to tell it to you. What interests me and what we're going to cover on the show are the deeper threats around Jeffrey Epstein. What was he actually doing? He certainly was not a financier in any standard sense. Really? That was a cover story, yes. The thing with Epstein was he was obsessed with eugenics and creating his own race like he would talk about those people. I should pick people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a gay guy, you know. Right, so maybe. To figure out what the hell is going on here, I brought my buddy Jay Anderson on from Project Unity. He runs a great channel that's gone deep into UFOs, secret science and ancient archaeology. Okay, because if they were taking eggs, they've got underground laboratories, right? I'm taken there in September. I think they've taken my eggs. They cloned a baby in 2002, no one ever hears about anything again. Perhaps one of the lesser known threads about Epstein was his obsession with secret science. More specifically, his obsession with gravity and propulsion. He would fly physicists out to his island, Kip Thorntz, Stephen Hawking, Marie Gellman. He funded Lawrence Krauss on the order of $250,000. I desperately want to know why Jeffrey Epstein knew so much about my work. And I want to know why he was connected to my graduate program. How did you know he was connected? You can Google it. But he was also obsessed with the Casimir effect, a scientific anomaly that might point to some form of zero point or vacuum energy. And if Harnessed correctly, might unlock an entirely new mode of interstellar propulsion. On his little St. James Island, he built a temple with a cult symbology, and one of his victims claimed to see a UFO while on Zora Ranch. I saw a UFO when I was there, you know, outside of New Mexico, I went to have a cigarette and I saw a weird lights flying and then I had the weird thing waking up in the lab. It was like he was a front, a global honey trap for secret science, arbitraging the lameness of modern academia and the sexual repression of its scientists. Perhaps the weirdest through line with Epstein when it relates to UFOs is the fact that former OSS officer, Donald Barr, was headmaster of the Dalton Preparatory School around the time that Epstein got his job as a teacher there. Remember, the OSS was the predecessor to the CIA. Donald Barr wrote a sci-fi book called Space Relations, about a future where humans have formed an intergalactic empire ruled by aristocrats. Half the book is about this intergalactic elite class systematically trading underage sex slaves and often using them to gain leverage over other elites. Ring of L? Donald Barr's son is a guy named William Bond, the attorney general under Trump who personally visited Epstein's jail cell after he died to interview his last known cellmate, Efrain Stone Reyes, who apparently expressed skepticism around Epstein's suicide. Reyes died conveniently from COVID shortly thereafter. This is the kind of stuff that gets you Epstein. We discuss it all, occult control system, secret societies, mind control, Epstein, secret science, and we even bring our special friend along, Kurt Metzger. The only guy who literally didn't work with the CIA is Steven Segold. Hey, why do Disney kids turn out how they do? Well, Disney, the f***ing rose accrucian, that allowed the CIA to do stuff to among these Disney lands, and that's real. Insanity ensued. "There is a subterranean species that has lived on this planet for a long time." Jay's expressed some frustration with UFO disclosure. He's also the only channel to interview a former director of the NSA and deputy director of the CIA on UFOs, but he's also more recently gotten into ancient archaeological secrets like acoustically resonant caves at Malta, and skulls that look like gray aliens that they found there. He's also as deep as anybody on the mysterious structure underneath the pyramids. Is there a golden age of aerospace before our history started? "Without further ado, please enjoy this week's American Alchemists, Jay Anderson, and Kurt Metzger." It's cool, man. The ADHD in this room is real. Like, I've got it as well. Today's episode is sponsored by Incogni. At some point, you should try this, Google your full name, plus the city you live in. You'll probably be shocked at how many random websites are exposing your personal information. Everything from past addresses that you've lived at to family members, to risk profiles you never agreed to. This data doesn't end up online by accident. 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I want to cover more recently, you've done some amazing kind of alternative but it's done that we have to call it our term, it's just archeological ancient civilization, you know, stuff. But for now, it's alternative, it will be the mainstream. It's getting that it's getting by peace. That's gone by scan. That's right. So I really want to talk to you about what the fuck is under the Egyptian pyramid. Tell me, right? Like none of us actually know, but it's looking interesting. It looks fascinating. I feel like you're as close as anyone to the research team doing it. You were just with them at the cosmic summit. So thanks for being here, man, I appreciate it. Welcome, bro. It's real pleasure to be on Texas for the first time. Like I said to you, oh, after this, I want to try and find a place to shoot a few guns. Yeah. Yeah. There is another person here that will be will be revealed in time. They will be revealed. Yeah. I have a feeling this person knows where to shoot guns and Austin Texas. Yeah, maybe you can show me a place that's your brother. But before we get started, I'm going to pull a Sean Ryan here. Oh, okay. Give you a special gift. This is our. Oh, look at this. Let's hold it up. Hold it up to the camera. Sure. Hey, there you go. That is sweet. Pretty cool, right? So look at that. I love it, bro. This will be me on my next podcast. I'll be worthy of representing him, respecting. Let's go. Thank you very much. Appreciate you, of course. So you, man, I want to start with the UFO stuff, because I feel like you did some really important early work on this topic. And people need to watch some of these interviews. You interviewed Oki Shannon, who was a lead project manager at Los Alamos. Yeah, yeah. And but also was doing a research with how put off in this sort of vigilante capacity, working group, kind of thing going on. Exactly. Yeah. When you're with a guy like that, because that was a great interview. Yeah. When you're with him offline, do you get the sense that he knows more than he can say? And that like because are you? Is there a sense that like there is a reverse engineering program? And he just can't talk about it. And there's some sort of undetectable dark matter there. Or is there a sense that? Oh, you've kind of fallen prey to like the public narrative around UFOs? And actually, it's kind of this other stuff that we don't quite understand. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, well, distinction. Oh, absolutely. Cause like for me, especially kind of coming through this subject over the last few years, I will admit that a lot of it starts to feel like campfire stories, just sometimes campfire stories with a T S S E I clearance attached to it. So it's like, you know, like, yeah, that sounds amazing. But again, where's the evidence, where's the actual like hard data for it? It's just a very interesting story from no doubt, an interesting individual within interesting background. But you know, someone like Oki Shannon, I mean, he said to me a few things, he said that they're working group in Los Alamos national labs, it was kind of like an informal group, because he was part of the was it the theoretical physics group in the past gone the ATP, I forgot the actual name of it. Yeah, we should give the context for the audience to advance theoretical physics, working groups. That's the one. And it's with Oki Shannon and how put up. John Alexander, yeah, like double bind. Yeah, all these guys who are kind of deep, deep, you know, esoteric alternative physics. Right. And but also kind of, you know, they have real credentials. Oh, yeah, I mean, I mean, army ins calm, double bind, John Alexander, I don't know, I guess, maybe army ins calm as well, but maybe some DOE ties to, you know, a lot of like very intense kind of insideery types, studying alternative proportion. Yeah. And I think that, you know, so you've got like this element where he was clearly involved in like, maybe a formal, but certainly an informal part of his work was to look at the UFO subject. And he kind of looked at it as he said that they concluded that they're into dimensional objects coming down into a lower dimensional plane. He attributed it to the book Flatland where he said, you know, the idea of this spherical object coming down into a two dimensional plane, you're only going to see a cross section, a shadow of what it truly is. And he's of the opinion that that describes a lot of the UFO phenomenon. But again, like, you know, it's like very interesting ideas, interesting stories, interesting claims. But I've yet to see any hardcore evidence either way for any of these things. And I think that's the issue that I've come to in the UFO subject specifically. And maybe that's what's promoted me to slightly transition out of it. Although I do think that history has a lot of connections and correlations to the UFO field. Again, collecting these stories over time is really interesting. But I just want for the validation of what's actually going on with this stuff. Totally, man. It's it gives you brain damage. It's a huge headache. And there is it truthfully, it's a far cry, a saucer and a hanger in some ephemeral interdimensional object are two very different things. Absolutely. And I don't know if these things are being, you know, conflated or if there are, the thing is I was somewhat skeptical of the crash narrative, actually. And then I just visited a crash site. And what there, I don't know if you know, Scott and Suzanne Ramsey are, but they're the deepest on the Aztec crash in 1948, and I thought that would be an interesting one to investigate, you know, as opposed to Raozwa, which is obviously extremely popular in the lore. And I came in expecting to be like, this is the bullshit element of the UFO story. And honestly, dude, I came out being like, I think there's stuff to the crash. What was it the picture interest the most there were we went to the crash site and the I mean, this is all filmed. The trees were like, split out where a craft seem to have been right drug through the thing. Yeah, yeah, with the end this, these, this couple, Scott and Suzanne Ramsey have spent $600,000, like, and there's the most salt of the earth, like good people you'll ever meet. Like, there's no like, I think they catch a Richard Dolan in a view of them back in a day. They're very close with Dolan. Yeah. And so spending that much time with them, then realizing that the store, like, how the story came out was this guy, Silas Newton, they claimed that he was part of some like doodle bug hoax or whatever. But Silas Newton was worth 20 million dollars at the time, which was just for inflation. Like, it's like, that guy doesn't need to hustle people on a doodle bug oil. No, he was very successful. No, absolutely not. Yeah. And then you have these FBI files on Silas Newton and Gabauer, right, going way back to the, I think the 30s or something. And they're, they're totally redacted. So I don't know, you know, I didn't come out being like, I'm 100% sure, but it was, it was, it was eye opening for me. Yeah, man, there are these actual, I mean, I struggle, I struggle with like the crashing of hyper advanced alien vehicles, maybe the disengaging for some sort of exotic scale wave weapon system that we have or something like that. But I tend to lean towards that these are prototypes of our own work, the crashing and, you know, like happening all over the world, especially since it started kicking off. Like you said, Roswell, 1940s, 50s, cold war, exotic energy, T towns and brown, like all of these things happening. You know, because you've covered so much of that, fantastic work on T towns and brown, by the way, I love that deep dive. I figure it's a hedge, right? Yeah, if you're, if you're deep on the anti-gravity and then you're deep on the, you know, the UFO stuff, one of them has to be right. The, the anti-gravity thing would explain right? Right. Right. Right. I think I think there's definitely been an incentive to create a smoke screen and a perception that anything that's operating in the skies that's going against what we understand to be like the kind of like standard aerospace and aeronautical abilities is an alien vehicle. And I think that's a very convenient smoke screen. And I do think that, you know, a lot of the stuff, a lot of the talking points in this kind of 2017, to present a narrative from like, you know, New York Times, all the way up to now is trying to create this incentivization that it's actually all alien. We can't explain all of this. We don't know what this is. We don't have this in our arsenal. We don't have this in our weapons systems. And I disagree with that entirely. I think they absolutely do have it. So I think there's probably like, I mean, I'm convinced that there is some form of non-human intelligence interface, whether that's dimensional and kind of bleeding in, or maybe even terrestrial to this planet and hidden, or actually a space visitor from another planet. I'm open to all of that. But I think that there is definitely a case to be argued for a massive smoke screen of classified exotic energy. Yeah, I agree with. Yeah. One of the other, probably the craziest interview ever done in UFO space, not done by me, Ross Kolthar, you, I don't know if you know what I'm about to have a feeling Bobby Ray in men, who was highest level dude, I've ever spoke to my life. I don't have any anybody can ever speak to him like I've ran the government. I have no idea why he agreed to do an interview. That was remarkable. So he was was head of the NSA he was head of NSA. He was head director of the CIA. Yeah, CIA I think the Federal Reserve branch and Dallas. Yeah, S I see, I see, yeah, like he was the head of everything of every like, you know, like the head hon show, if there is a legacy, you know, a phone program that I do do it is like, well, yeah, like one of my one of my guys is like a veteran in the US Navy was like, he's definitely like MJ 12 like, you know, he has, if there is an MJ 12, that guy's on it. That's right. And I love the interview. The little things hilarious, because like, you're doing this like autobiographical thing for the first like 45 minutes, right? Exactly. And then the end you go, so, you know, the aliens, yeah, yeah, yeah, you go this UFO research, Bob Oxler called you. Yeah, well, I mean, let's, I mean, in fairness, we absolutely moved it out afterwards, but he did feel a little bit like he was brought in under false pretense. When I was doing some background research on UI, I came across a fascinating little segment from a documentary. It was a segment of an interview that you had in 1989 with a man called Bob Exler. Do you remember speaking to a man called Bob Exler? Bob Exler. Yeah. And during this conversation, he asked you whether you believed that the recovered vehicles would ever be made available for technical research outside of the military circles, and your response to this was 10 years ago, I would have said no, but whether time is evolved and then the beginning to become more open on it, it's a possibility. So obviously, correct me if I'm wrong, but it just seems like you're suggesting here that you're aware of retrieved UFOs being studied by the military. No, I would not, I'm still moving with no retrieved UFOs, but I am high confidence. Do you anticipate that any of the recovered vehicles would ever be become available for technological research outside of the military circles? I can't, I honestly don't know, but 10 years ago, the answer would have been no. Whether it's time is evolved and the beginning to become more open on it is a possibility. No, I mean, I told him that I wanted to talk about UFOs, but again, the way that came about was another body of mine, who was a US Navy veteran, had an old number for him. And so we called that number and it went straight to voicemail. And so we left a voicemessage just saying, well, he left a voicemessage because it's easier for someone like that who's obviously got connection to him to speak on my behalf and just say, there's this guy who's really interested in talking to you. And basically like a week went by and we had nothing. And then my body was like, hey, he's message back. And it turns out that this phone number we had for him was an old phone that was locked in a drawer. He just decided to check it on a whim. He hadn't checked it in years. No way. Yeah. I know, right? And he saw this voicemessage and he decided to respond. That's a crazy synchronicity. That's why at that point, I was like, this man's going to say the truth. Right? It feels like it's lying. Like this meant to be. Like this is crazy. So I was like, you know, he was the only guest who asked and it doesn't surprise me for a pre-approved list of questions and talking points like, what are we going to go through? So I was like, you know, obviously, I need to mention the fact that I want to talk about UFOs. I started off with obviously like, you know, like his career background and geopolitics and national security of today and what he sees. And then, you know, the bottom I was like, and I want to bring up the, you know, 2017 UAP, discussion and everything like that. Yeah. So I did say that, but I don't think he was expecting me to know about Bob Exler and actually have a seat to be ready to kind of come at him with, like, you know, challenges. And I have to say that, you know, with all due respect to the Admiral, you can see the body language shift quite profoundly when we move on to UFOs. Oh, yeah. He's relaxed. He's talking. He's enjoying kind of reflecting on his career and everything, which is an incredible career. I mean, my God, this guy is just like, you know, I'll put the absolute apex. But then once we get into UFOs, even when I'm just asking the question, man, he starts getting tight, he starts bringing his body in. And when I asked in that first question, he was just like, no, no, no, absolutely not. No UFOs. Right. Not at all, like, no way. And then a few times during the interview, which I think must have been him speaking, but it was kind of strange where he kept saying, I am extremely confident that there is no other life in our galaxy. I have a high level of confidence that within our galaxy, there is no other living life. Right. And I was like, you know, solar system would make sense, but he said, galaxy like three times. How can you be confident? And also at the end of this, he said something along the lines of, I, I don't think I've given you what you were looking for, but I hope you will listen very carefully to what I've said to you. Hmm. So I have listened back and I'm trying to figure out what it was that you've been like for a message. Simply putting in. But this whole thing where it was like, there's no life in the galaxy. We should, we should send our audience off now to decode this interview. Right. Right. The message J, if you find any sort of meta messages, yeah, because I'm fascinated in what he was trying to say. I feel like he was trying to put something down that I haven't picked up yet. So. Yeah. Who knows? He's wild. Yeah. So wild. So wild. But the Bob Boxer calls so just crazy and interesting, because you have, you hear Bobby Reinhman say, yeah. Like, yeah, maybe at some point this will come out, but not now. Yeah. Like, yeah. And he's speaking so casual. Yeah. And there's a few, there's a few like news clips of X that go on on the news and saying like, yeah, well, someone said to him, you know, do you think that this could just be fraudulent and fake? And he was like, well, Admiral Bobby Reinhman convinced me that these were flying sources from an alien species. So I'm pretty okay with that. And it's just like, well, damn. And like, he's like reiterating this over and over. A few people have said that it was maybe, you know, misquoted from that documentary where you've got the recording. But his excellent on the news, a few different times reiterating that Admiral Imman made him like, absolutely confident and positive. And it also seemed markedly more reasonable than a lot of UFO researchers like he himself was in aerospace. Yeah. He was a NASA guy. He was a NASA specialist. And in his life. And again, yeah, very calm, spoken intellectual guy that was just being very matter of fact with it and just saying, well, no, I mean, from where I'm saying, the Admiral essentially has convinced me that these are recovered vehicles that we're working on and, you know, and there's no way that you could be mistaken in it could have been an airplane helicopter or something of that nature. Well, Admiral Imman convinced me that these vehicles were not manufactured by human technology. So that's pretty conclusive for me. That's it. That's it. So again, I think it's, I think it's true. I wouldn't even go against the idea there's been some archeological finds from like, you know, the old world. I mean, I'm diving into prehistory right now and getting into that, seeing so many anomalies that are so advanced and so contradictory to our models. You think about things like the Vamanas of ancient India and like, you know, these stories that you have flying chariots is like, okay, was there a golden age of aerospace before our history started? Yeah. Is some of that under the ground? I think even Grosch talked about recoveries, right? The Italians recovered something back in the last 30 days, yeah. It's like the Magenta crack. I think, yeah, I think there's a case to be said for like, archeological finds as well. I think so too. Well, somehow it just feels somewhat arbitrary if UFO crashes only occurred in 1947 and onwards because of nuclear-- Only in New Mexico. And only in New Mexico. That feels like extremely anthropocentric, egocentric and the nation-centric, right, right. You know, yeah, there's a whole field of forbidden archaeology, which you're kind of diving into, which just all this megalithic architecture, and I wonder if UFO's aliens and crashes are a part of that. I don't know and I don't have any evidence, but it wouldn't make sense to me that there would be the stark dividing line where it just starts in the atomic age. Well, it kind of gets back to like, you know, like, how do you want to look at aliens from the ancient, ancient perspectives? If you look at theologic text, like the book of Enoch, the Watchers, or the Anunnaki, or the Nephilim, you know, the ones that came down and slept with the women of men and made these like, you know, hybrid species, it's like, okay, a lot of different texts speak about this in variations, but there's kind of a similar theme of giant beings or some other type of being that came in interface with us. So that's kind of like how you might look at it from the ancient perspective and you see some of these megalithic stone-building sites all over the world, it's like, okay, humans aren't capable, at least from our understanding of history and capabilities at that time, we couldn't do that. Yeah. So where does that? Like, you know, not to get off on a tangent, but with the ancient megalithic sites like Stonehenge or other parts of the world, it's not just the engineering, it's the alignment, it's astronomy, it's mathematics, some of them are even acoustically tuned to produce strange effects from reverberation. So it's like, it's a complex set of knowledge that is then globally represented all over the world. And that says to me that there was someone who really knew what they were talking about with a lot of different areas of science and engineering and astronomy that was putting us together and then inspiring people to do it all over the world. So whether that's an interface with non-human intelligence or just a completely different variation of human intelligence that we've long forgotten, I don't know, but there's a profound mystery there. There's something else. There's clearly the primitive to progress and narrative that we're being spoon-fed by like Stephen Pinker and, you know, it's just, it's obviously, yes, that's like obviously wrong. And you don't have to necessarily, you know, wholesale agree with Eric Von Daniken or something to say that like, dude, even just taking like one foot off of the conventional path, you start going holy shit, like this is not right. Well, there's just no, yeah, there's just no way some of this stuff could have could have been built. And so I think we have to like not necessarily cross the tea or dot the eye artificially, but like there's something going on. Yeah, absolutely. Like that narrative is wrong. And it's kind of like, you know, it's like polar opposites of the argument, like the mainstream who are very reductive and in their little refined channel. And then obviously on the polar opposite, you got people who are like, it was absolutely built by the Nephilim. Right. We don't know. We don't know that. But it's definitely a mystery. Yeah. Hasn't hasn't been addressed. It hasn't been satisfactory. We put to the side. And there's so much of that. Like whether it's history or, you know, the anomalies and UFOs, like, that's why I kind of feel like they're cotangent. They are connected together. Yeah. You know, there's a lot of influence in, you know, the wheels of Ezekiel and these incredible visions of people have had for our time. If they had it today, that would be a UFO experience. Totally. You know? Yeah, exactly. That would just be part of the modern world. Yeah. Yeah. I think so too. Another guy that you interviewed, John Ramirez. Yeah. He's an interesting guy. Super interesting guy. Former CIA. Yeah. GS-15. GS-15. And he's come out now. And I think on your show as well saying that like he's sure we have hybrid programs, human alien hybrid programs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the word that Louis Aluzano can't say that everyone's, and everyone in a Pentagon is expecting him to say someday is that we're all hybrids. Personally, I believe this is one of the core secrets, but that's my personal opinion. You hear him say that, "Are you like, you know, this is legit, this is CIA dissinfo, what's your?" Middle girl, man. Like, grain of salt. Like, you know what I mean? Like, take everything of a grain of salt. I, all respects to John Ramirez and I'm not applying this to him, but something that I've definitely felt over the years of, you know, being thrown into interfacing with people in the intelligence communities, they're really good at becoming a friend when you've got an influential platform. You know what I mean? Yeah, sure. Really good at becoming a friend. And they're very likable and they're easy to become friends with. But, you know, again, it comes back to that thing of how much of this can be validated, how much of this has been evidenced, I'd say, you know, 0.1% of that, right? So, like, John Ramirez, super interesting guy, I think he's actually genuinely passionate about the subject and he's an experienced, you know, you find a lot of these people in the agency, like within the CIA, you know, it seems to be a hallmark of like, these guys who have quite high up in the ranks of that particular agency is they've got like some weird ideas and like, you know, that's what they want, right? They want out of the box thinkers. So of course you're going to get people in these agencies to believe in all of that. But. But you expect that terrible thing. I'm a big fan of this guy. So I'm so happy. He's here. Is that my dress when I watch a jazz show? Oh, I love him, huh? I can see that. You're going to get template. Yeah. Oh, that figure's in. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That figure's in. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That figure's in. It was funny. I actually, when I met Eric Mondan again, and I asked, you know, on all these things, he was like super like, you know, these crazy hand wavy theories. Right. And then I asked him about the Templars and he goes, there are secrets that I cannot talk about. And I was like, I was like, really, Eric Mondan again, like, you know, like a little word for. Little that antique shop was that Eric Mondan again has a not antique shop. You know, what's interesting about the templates as well in respects to Egypt, just a little bit of quick trivia. Yeah. Is it the great pyramid of Giza? You know, it's eight sided. The pyramid of Giza's eight sided, eight sided, very subtle and it can be seen, it can be seen from above. Uh-huh. But if you get an aerial of this at a certain point of time, you can actually see that instead of four sides, it's got these like indentations that create an eight sided pyramid. Whoa. Templar flag is an eight sided pyramid turned into a 2D shape. Whoa. So if you take the Templar flag and you create into a three-dimensional object, you get the great pyramid of Giza. Wow. Yeah. You've interviewed a guy who is the modern grandmaster of the Temple region with them. That's Timothy Hogan. Timothy Hogan. Yeah. Yeah. You're plugged in. Yeah. I went, I was, I was brought into the King's Chamber by him personally. It was. What's his? He's a real template. Yeah. He's got his receipts. Well, I got some. Okay. Well, that's disturbing. Don't you guys think if you were at their real Templars today, they wouldn't like dress up. Yeah. No, no, no. I wouldn't be like Timothy Hogan. Well, I'm not. They would be like these like subtle, well, I mean like it's like, it's like, there's levels, right? Like Gipto. Yeah. The baton at the fucking barrel. What are you doing? There's Halloween costume level. I'm a Zawi Hawa's one. Did you watch? Of course. I watched a super cut. I couldn't do the three hours. I was arguing over a carpet. It was fucking insane. Joe, that was probably the worst podcast he's ever done, but the next guest, he was like, that was the worst fucking podcast. And Zawi goes at some point, the end, he's bombing. Zawi's doing so badly. And then halfway and he goes, I'm doing a speech in Houston. When you speak in Houston, will you introduce yourself? Yeah. He's like, no. That's like, dude, I'm busy. I'm busy. I'm busy. No, dude, it was like you're buying an electronic 40 seconds. You know what's crazy about that? It's like guarantee you. He still walked out of that studio going. Of course he did. I did a great job. I've nipped that in the boat. Well, that's his job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His job is going to do that. I won't lie. I'm like, like, like 50% nervous about going through checks in Cairo when I head out there. Yeah. Don't come back, bro. I'm gone. Like someone's taken. No, let's be like you can't come in. Yeah. Well, don't think if you're on a major platform and you said anything, I mean, I probably destroyed it for you. I'm sorry. Oh, that's okay. It's all right. I mean, he said they've accepted my plan to get. I put my possible details in. I got three lists. So I should be all right. You're the Wiz when I was younger, you know, my many astral travel. He's the the Wiz. Nobody beats the Wiz, the electronic store. Oh, you worked for the Wiz. Yeah, the salesman. Ah, you know, that's how I developed it. And it was felt like your manager there. No, I was in Bricktown, New Jersey, but in New York with those store, you know, you don't mess with the Zohan movie. They get what? Yeah, yeah. They're like Sony guts. Okay. It's very good. At least her. Wow. This is our way of dealing with things. And that's how they all work. You come. I show you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he's apparently he's like kind of sketchy. Like he, he sells. I know. And the black market. Like, but he literally profits off. I wouldn't be surprised. And you know what's interesting about Zahia was. He's like back in like the 1990s. I want to say like 1992. He was giving a speech at a university in Cairo, where he was like, there are subterranean labyrinths underneath the plateau. There are entrances from the Sphinx to the pyramids that would tell us a lot more about who really built them. Yeah. And then two years later he changed his tune and has never changed it back. Okay. So something happened. So something right there. Was that where he was? Also, did you know he was funded by the Edgar Cayce Foundation? I was about to ask if you knew that. Yeah, bro. What? So what's the. So you know, Edgar Cayce. I know he was like a very famous promoter. Yeah. And he made all these predictions about the halls of a mentee in the lost records of Egypt. So the Edgar Cayce Foundation funded Zahia was. So like he started off on this esoteric kind of true seeker style funding and idea. And then I want to say about 1993 after that speech that he gave. I think somebody like that would not be surprised. Hold that thought of Hazari Hawaz. You can apply that to most of the people. Yeah, for real, bro. That are like, why are you 180 degrees from the thing you said before? Right. Right. Yeah. Oh, well, here's the reason. Yeah. You're compromised. Yeah. You don't. Exactly. Black male. How about I make you rich? Silver led is the great public. Yeah. Right. Right. If someone's telling you the real info, okay. Yeah. And you're talking about it here. Listen, if you ever remember Gary Webb, the guy that knew the CIA brought Coke into the hood. Yeah. So the old black eye conspiracy that people that I was dismissive of. They be putting crack in the hood. That's exactly what they did. And you know how I know they did because the reporter that reported it shot himself twice in the head. Hey. Yeah. That's right. You look so ridiculous. Yeah. Well, listen, if you wanted to stigmatize all the shit, you know, I want to make it clear. Listen, I'll make it clear. I'm not a journalist. I'm not in the space. But you kind of are. Well, Kurt has a crazy story. We will get back to. No, it's cool. Like, you know some shit. Like I said, like, I'm fully pumped to have Kurt here. Well, you know, Kurt doesn't, doesn't remember part of his childhood because he was in the gifted and talented education program. It's just smart key classes. It's fine. And now I know a lot of esoteric stuff. Oh, you're in the same, well, they're teaching you remove viewing and all that kind of stuff. I have no idea. I don't remember a single part of it. My brother just during it. I asked my mom to like, and now he's super demon ages from ages. I don't know. No, they don't. Your parents tell you. I don't don't remember. If your parents think, oh, hey, your son's got high IQ and you're going to be gifted in talented. You think your parents give a fucking shit? They don't. They're like, whoa, everybody's condition for a pat on the head. You're in this society. That's the occult prison that you live in. So you go, oh, I got a good, I'm an expert, me, right? That's our kindergarten, you know, the, the Prussian school that we use for some reason. Yeah. Right. Right. You think that is. Yeah, that's weird. Is that normal? It is weird actually. Like, why do we have that? Because at age five, we don't call it that in the UK. Yeah. It's, yeah. Oh, it came from. So we have a lot to thank the UK for here in this country. Certainly. Definitely you do, but our entire schooling system is designed to compartmentalize you. Right. Out of the gate. I mean, and I'm not telling you any esoteric secrets. It's written down. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Because it was the Prussian miracle. So they sent people from all, how did you get such control over your citizens because this guy found out that 70% of the troops, I always thought those old timey guns didn't really shoot straight. No, 70% of people don't pull a trigger, they miss on purpose. This is a problem. Right. Right. You're with mommy and daddy too long. I got to get you before that third brainwave you get that tells you what reality is. Six is too late. I mean, Rogan talked about Joe went to, went at age six. It's too late. You've already been imprinted with mommy and daddy. Wait, he did it. Look at Joe. Joe did it as well. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about kindergarten. Oh, okay. Right, right. Okay. I'm talking about if you go look into how we got our school system. It's real. It's, it's real weird. And the goal is this. So, here's a 20 years ago pre-k suddenly became a thing in New York, or you got to go pre-k because outcomes are better for kids to go to pre-k. I didn't go to pre-k. My mom taught me to read at home and I went to kindergarten. Why is that so important? Because it's not working. We got to get you away from mommy earlier so that the government could get us dicking your brain early. Yeah. That's funny dynamic. Yeah. Okay. So here's some esoteric, real esoteric. It's just discern this like a regular mainly p-hole. You got a right left brain so you watch these secular materialist scientists. Yeah. You're Mike DeGrasse Tyson's and what have you? Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Whatever. You just matched up Mike Tyson. Well. Not obvious. Sick combo. It would be sick. I got flanking physicists. Yeah. I prefer Mike personally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's called Stagnography. Shout out to DJ. Okay. Dark Journalist. Yeah, dude. And Joseph P. Farrell, uh, I'm sorry. - Yeah, in a view of him, I loved you Joseph P. Farrell. - Okay, so I got blew my mind, dude, and here's what's so funny about watching, 'cause you're hitting on a bunch of it. I've seen your show, you guys are on some good points. - Thanks brother. - How old are you though? - 30. - How old are you? - 33. - Okay, so you still at the age for you figured out the scam yet. And by the time I'm 48, finally old enough to serve in Ukraine. (laughing) And when you figure out the scam, here's how it works. Fuck you, you 48, motherfucker. (laughing) The 30-year-old still believe. There's new suckers for the thing. - Believe in what? - Believe in the whole thing. So now, all this UFO shit, what blew my mind was when I looked into it, it turns out a bunch of this stuff's been disclosed over and over and over and over. - Oh yeah. - The wheel of Sam Farrell. - Yeah, man. - For sure. - For sure, for sure. - For sure. - Yeah, but you don't realize. So then you're like-- - But then what's the deeper trick? Like, 'cause I like, look, I'll watch, I watch Dark Journalist and like, it's like ASMR for conspiracies that never result, because-- - Right. - And do you know about this, you know? - And then you're in, like-- - Same space. Mystery school. - Yeah, I'll talk about it. - It's JJ Abrams, Mystery Box Storytelling. - Okay. - You remember JJ Abrams, Mystery Box Method? He doesn't talk about it. - Right. - Okay, basically the show lost, and Scientology are the same basement. - Mystery Box. - Sure. - You stick with it and get invested. - Yeah. - And then you get a shitty ending. - Well, that's another thing is the influence of Scientology in the UFO community, 'cause there's a big presence like that basically makes it work. Exactly. - How big do you think it is? - Scientology is the same as it is. - Yeah, how big do you think it is? - Well, I mean, like, you know, they infiltrated the CIA in a few different agencies. - You infiltrated the IRS. - IRS. - Oh, right. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, exactly. - What is it? - What is it? - It's the infiltration. - Yeah. - It's gold, bro. - It's gold, bro. - It is, it is, truly. Oh, it's operations to no way. - So that was when they did that huge infiltration of multiple agencies, including the IRS, CIA, with an incentive to try and promote psychic research and these types of ideas and prevent them from kind of stopping it. - Actually, today. - Yeah, and it was, you don't know about us. - I know about it, right? - Yeah, yeah. - It's what the government around the time. - Yeah, yeah, it was that. - It was a big issue. - It's infiltration of the government. - I've heard about Britain's no way. - It was wild. But how prevalent was it, did it work? - I don't think it fully worked, but it worked for a time. They managed to create influence, and obviously they're very powerful, but I think that there's like genuinely a thread of ufology that comes back to obviously Scientology, go a bit further back, Helen Leblavatsky, Theosophy, the esoteric school. - Yeah, sure, yeah. - And I wouldn't be surprised if some of these people in government, because when you actually get to know them or you find out more about them, you find out that, beyond the tight suit and the biocracy is the esoteric person that's into like the OTO, or Golden Dawn, whatever, right? Yes, brother, so I think that what they're trying to do, at least my opinion, and actually the guy that you wanted to hear more about, my friend, who was speaking, he'd be able to tell you a lot more, he believes, and I would agree that there is an element of the government that's quite radical, that truly believes in some of these old esoteric systems, and they're trying to essentially manifest the UFO reality into the world by creating a consensus of it, right? So they're creating this narrative or creating this push. - Like an aggregate. - Yeah, like an aggregate, 'cause it's just weird how you know, you tap into these guys who are like, you know, bureaucrats and national security, and then you find out that they've got like, you know, talking points from OTO and Golden Dawn, and they're drawing pentagrams and they're showing you the alchemist triangle. - You see that, Matthew Brown, who just came out, you can tell in the map, he's just-- - Yeah, and Matthew is a mathematician. - You're a mathematics and shit like that, like, you know? - You see that, okay, so who's how I got into my esoteric knowledge, I was watching the Charles Hall, Paul White's documentary, - I just interviewed him. - He's alive? - Yeah, he's alive. - I have a lot of questions for him, but he's a trip. - A couple of the guys that were with me who had seen them thought that they were ancient Egyptians who had somehow or another gotten into the Indian Springs Valley and tripped there, and we're still using their own hieroglyphics. - Who thought that? - Oh, it's a couple of the other range men, yeah. - So he was like, you never seen-- - Like a wind-up, I didn't make it, that was weird. - Oh, I think I have some theories. So Charles Hall, now, when usually when you hear UFO stuff, it's like some goofy, like, Star Trek shit, and this guy, he made a real specific point that they're not here to save the whales. In fact, the tall White's told him, they think it's unusual that we like ride horses and live, like, they said on most of the civilized worlds to him, the species, Donna Species, kills off anything that could be a threat to them. - Wow. - You ever hear anybody talk that way when they talk about our space brothers, I haven't, the way he described it, it sounded like we're gwam or something. - Right. - Okay, now, keep in mind, if you talk to him, he's got a real aw-shocks, but you just picked up on something with it, that guy's got a nuclear physics degree, so don't be fooled by country dumb. As soon as I'm watching, I'm like, so I'm laughing when I'm first watching, 'cause they're called tall whites, where as strong as gorillas compared to them, that's a detail, if you touch one of them, they'll kill you. - Very weak bodies. - Yeah, and I'm like, wait a minute, I've heard this before, you're telling me there's taller, whiter things that are, (laughing) that are doing the old British style, they show up and wear a little ugly, like, B-style monsters, when he tells a story, it sounds like, like, we're a Raj from colonies. - Yeah, right, right, right. - So all I do is look for themes, like, Dianna Pissolko, I think she made this word up, myth themes, but I like it. It's the Legos, the stories are built out of it, and they would pee. So, I watch everything, man. I don't just watch it, like, I'm on a news show. So yeah, and I notice where everybody that follows this stuff, just the idea that you're wondering if you can, the intel people are gonna, that's because you're compartmentalized. Remember Eric Weinstein, I don't know if he was what you won that video, but he'll on Rogan goes, and don't tell me it's compartmentalization. Why would I need to tell you that? - Right, right, right. - Do you understand the pyramid structure that we seem to be obsessed with? - Well, the ultimate compartmentalization would also be-- - Your brain. - These are cults, sort of, yeah, compartmentalizing a person. - Yeah, and like, there's a Terrence Mechanic quote that I sent you. That's like-- - I love that guy. - Amazing, right? And you've done some awesome videos on that. - I love all of those, every lecture he's ever done, he, like, haunts my brain. - He's incredible, and he says, you know, a secret is not something that isn't told, it's something that cannot be told. - Right, right. - Which is like, that's the ultimate, if you want control system or something, like that's the best way to create it. - That's what you think that Hitler's got from their journey to the, to meet with the old man of some art. They go some shit, that's for sure. - Let me, let me throw out a goofball hypothesis of mine. - Okay. - Then I got after Rogan told me, Intel people told, told him China was injecting their people with, their kids with stuff to raise their IQ. - Right. - And I immediately, I know we did way worse than that, automatically, 'cause China did it. - Yeah. - Okay, and so now we got one and 32 autistic kids. - That's wild. - Yeah. - Oh yeah, I wonder how that happens. - Same. - Yeah, it's insane. - Okay, you know, don't attribute to malice where you contribute to incompetence. No, it's malice, myself. And okay, let's look at what are the features of autism, okay? - Hyperfocus. - Yeah. Hyperfocus, weird about sex. In fact, you could program and tell them what gender they are and they'll set, they'll believe it. Christian, the inverted Christ, is that? If you ever heard of Christian. - Right. - They're Galar sponsors. (laughing) - Are you sponsored by, so I'm talking to you comic books? I think we don't have to be sponsored by Monsanto to get them pulled for this episode. I mean, you know what I'm saying? They made these, they love all the products. No matter how bad you cock up Star Wars, they're gonna watch it and tears a form in their eyes that a new Star Wars came out. They buy those stupid vinyl bobble head, whatever the fuck people buy. They're the perfect consumer. The goal laid out when they invented kindergarten. Who hurt you, bro? (laughing) - Literally the entire system on me. - It sounds like something real. - I went to kindergarten. - Beef. - That's why I was in gate. - All right, yeah. - So this is interesting. - Yeah. - I'm not accused of them. - Right, right, right, right. - Yeah, Jake Barber coming out talking about gifted and talented education program. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Well, yeah, he talks about it. Also in the context of, you know, Skywatcher and these sort of psionic assets, you know, it seems like the stranger things kind of narrative might be more real than it might realize. - Yeah, right, right. - Cold bond talk originally and there is a girl that was 11. Did you know that? - No. - That's a real person. - Yeah, you know, a lot of this stuff. So I sent you the link. They sent me, you sent me too many links to go there. I cannot. - Well, they've already got you because you, look, here's what I, when you said I am ASMR, there's what, so Nathan Reynolds is who referred me to Dark Journalist and what I love about it is, I don't care about your production and all that other bullshit. I already feel that's a layer of a cult between me and what I wanna know. - Right, right. - Sure. - And Dan's productions are, oh, he, oh, he's holding up. - Yeah, yeah. - That makes me trust him or you hate me. - I hate you. I hate you. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Make good production. - Right. - That makes total sense. But I just, I want him to map it out a little more clearly. Sometimes I'm like, there's not, I don't know. - That's the very fifth thing. - They're in there. - I will, I'll listen to the whole thing and I'm like, what happened? I don't really, like, I'm with you guys. - It's not all of it. - You gotta watch everything. - And look, all you do. - Yeah, that's right. That's a fucking mystery box. You know, you're just saying it now. - Okay, no, here's why. You can lie to me if you want. I don't care if you're an intel guy. I don't have no hide, and I don't give a fuck. So go ahead and lie, whatever. I'm gonna get dad off you either way. - Right. - 'Cause I'm gonna figure out why you're lying to me. - Well, to be honest, like. - And it's built in the lie. - Well, that's why the move in the space is like talk to everybody because thank you. - No, it isn't. It's not, they work certain people and I wanna talk to people you can't talk. And so who would you talk to if you my friend Emma has a show called imagination podcast those on YouTube about mk mon arc which link I sent you has been acknowledged. I didn't know that I'm obsessed with the audience what mk mon mk mon that's one of the successors to ultra right right right. Oh, oh, you're you're King Charles as that little buddy. Yeah, a little butterfly hit his portrait in that. That portrait is one of the fucking scariest looking things I've ever seen. It's like crimson blood. Like the whole thing is just programming. It's freaky, dude. And then like you said, little mon arc butterfly. Yeah, yeah, Lord Mountbatten and Jimmy Savile used to all hang out together. Yeah. And they all had special black berets made. Now that's not in the military there. That's a special unit of just the three amigos. Jimmy Savile was so influential in the UK that he was spending his Christmas at Chakras where the prime minister would spend it and he would go in and out. Jimmy Savile he was BBC presenter very famous and he's the most prolific sex offender and child sex offender in the UK. He was victim. He was never caught during his time. He all came out after he died. He had written, you know, I had written on his gravestone. You know that? Well, on his gravestone, it was, it was fun while it lasted. Oh, yeah. Now, but do you notice would Jimmy Savile? And now at the time when I saw this story, I didn't realize that he was like a wizard. Right. But then I went his charity because he did. They didn't know. It's like, dude, he had a spare key to a child's hospital. He would like live there. It's insane. A hospital. Yeah. He had a spare key. He would live on the board of a true. He was a demon. An absolute demon. Good friend of King John. If any of them exist, this motherfucker is a demon and he was good friends with him. No punishment. He could he could he could waltz into Buckingham Palace like a young the place, man. And then you fast forward and you've got Epstein and Andrew. It's like patterns. And then was it in there like a photo of Kevin Spacey at Buckingham Palace? Yeah. And then Rolf Harris did the Queens painting. He's beautiful. What do you get? What's this insane? What do you guys think of this cash brutality going on Joe's show being like, if I would have I've heard your opinion, you know, that's being killed himself. You know, that's being killed himself. And then they have Dan Bond, you know, next to him, I'm coming in and is all swear. First of all, number one, at leisure. Yeah. I want to make this clear because this is how how a cult fucking projecting yourself magic works. First, you reframe the argument wrong. I don't care if Epstein, we're not looking for justice for Epstein. Right. Right. Okay. So first, they keep it on that to trick you, right? Now when I even talk about why are all the people that went there still in power? Exactly. Hey, Trump's in now. Right. Hey, I remember Q and on. Where's all the arrests? Where's all the whatever's then I'll watch you a foe shit and they go, oh yeah, they actually executed these people on the moon. And then you go like, and then you go like the discrepancy of Pambondi saying there's thousands of pages that go to evidence. Yeah. They're so saying this. And it's like, whoa, I forgot. Yeah. What's going on here? Yeah. There's a clear discrepancy there. And then it's like, it's just if you zoom out, it's so obvious that this was this compromised gathering technique in order to blackmail operation order to control things at the high sense. It makes sense. It makes sense. Like, who are they blackmailing? That's what we want to know. I don't care about the list. His client list is like, it's Israel, but whatever. I wonder, I kind of wonder if like the Elon Trump thing. I don't know. I don't know. I believe Elon more than Trump because Elon's black guy and his now, I watch people say this. I can't believe how stupid this is. Oh, he must have been on ketamine and he rage tweeted. Is that what ketamine does? The horse, the horse tranquilized. No, you have to believe that Elon believes that was on the Epstein list. For sure. It was interesting. He said vials and Trump is we know that already. Yeah. Yeah. He won't give us no new information. He threw out a shot, but he didn't reveal anything. Trump is in it. Everyone who's in charge is in that fight. But that's the thing. It doesn't mean they did it. Exactly. Because, you know, Epstein was like such a powerhouse in the financial sector that, you know, it's going to just be a given that people will interact with him in that world without ever touching the sides of what he was doing in the background. Like Tuesday's with stories, Mark Norman, Joe list show. They probably won't appreciate me promoting it because they're gonna be bad. But Lewis Black was on and blew the whole thing wide open. I've tweeted it. I repeated all the time. Lewis Black went to Epstein's mansion in New York with Bobby Slate and my buddy from doing the nasty show. Right. I know the Bobby and Lewis Black are not doing a thing. He was an influential New York billionaire in the biggest house and that's crazy rich. Okay. So yeah, all right. I don't go on all kinds of, do I mean all kinds of people from this business. Lewis Black's story is so interesting. He walks in the door. There's a marker board where they go in and there's all it looks like football plays or something. And Epstein goes, yeah, the Defense Minister of Israel was just here. We were just going over defensive ideas. And Lewis Black says in the video, look, saw my Twitter looking up. He goes, he got so creeped out. He goes, first of all, the fuck was that guy here? Right. Why would he talk to you about it? Why are you telling me that? Right. Right. Right. Right. Well, isn't it documented that A. Hood, Burak and Epstein? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bridges in New New Mexico, governor. Oh, you talk to the New Zealand woman. I did. Yeah. Yeah. One of the victims, right? Yeah. Juliet's Byrant, I think her second name is. And what did she have to say? Well, she approached, she got brought in as a young model. She was trying to start off her modeling career and she got introduced to them and, you know, flown out to the island and from there, it was kind of like, you can't go anywhere and you're now a prisoner. So she was very quickly brought into that, not as a child, but as a young model. Right. And on the wall, there was a big artwork of a woman being raped by a walrus. Oh, wow. Yeah. I'll share it with you if you want to share it. The scary thing is that it's not really a painting that looks more like a photograph. And the girl's lying on a glacier and she's got like ECG things here. And she's being basically raped by a walrus. And she alongside some of the other women thing that they were actually harvesting their eggs. They were. You know, it like Zorro Ranch, where they were trying to. Yeah, well, the thing with Epstein was he was obsessed with eugenics and creating his own race like he would talk about. So maybe he was doing something along those lines with people like that. She certainly felt that way. Okay, because they were taking eggs. They've got underground laboratories, right? So then 1996, they cloned Dolly the sheep. They cloned the sheep. 1997 Bill Clinton banned the use of federal funds for human cloning apparently in 2002, they cloned the first baby Eve in December. So right, I'm taken there in September. They cloned a baby in 2002. No one ever hears about anything again. It's all on 60 minutes for BBC. One of those things they were all talking about when a human's going to be cloned. Suddenly it shut down. I mean, it's very it's someone like Epstein seems like he was very multi-faceted. Like there's an element to him where it was like almost like your primary objective is compromised, right? Is your primary objective is to do that? But then he's using his money and he's like, I'm I'm going to create a race of my own people. It's like this dude is crazy. Well, I wonder if because there this is really there's a full schizo right now. Oh, you see it. So Charles Manson was probably an MKL trepition. Oh, yeah, I would say definitely. So definitely, right? You have the I mean, yeah, this book set Tom O'Neill chaos and you have, you know, Jolly West, who's like running this thing had probably an office at the Haydashbury free medical clinic where, you know, Manson was always going. Yeah. And then you have this kind of conversion of Manson from this kind of petty criminal to the sex god kind of cult, whatever. So there's tons of evidence there. Here's the trippiest threat of the Manson thing that connects with Epstein. That's so weird. So Manson would carry around a book called Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert Heinlein. I do. I do. Great book. So he would carry this around. But Manson was a literate. So and then he models his whole life off this book. Huh. He his son. He calls Michael Valentine or whatever. Who's like that? You know, one of the characters right right. Jubal Roger Smith is his parole officer. Jubal is the protector in the book. He calls him Jubal. Why is he tries to start a race war, which is what they're trying to do with the whole Delta thing. Yeah. So, so, so, so, okay, but the fucking listen for so, so, so, so, this is what's crazy. Donald Barr is the headmaster of Dalton. He gives Epstein his first job at Dalton school, which is in New York, this prep school or whatever. And his son is William Barr, who is the attorney general under Bush 41 and under Trump, who basically obfuscated fucking justice to get Epstein, you know, out of trouble. So Donald Barr writes a sci-fi novel called Space Relations. Okay. And this is real, it's about new to me. This is new to me. It's this is so not. It's about I read it. Right. It's so readable almost. It's almost unreadable. And it's about this like human traveling to like an extraterrestrial planet and he is sold as a as a sex slave. Okay. Why is he going though? Do you remember why he's going? Why is he going again? Negotiate with the rulers of the galaxy, the rulers of the galaxy and slavery. Oh man. That's right. It just becomes a fuck pet. Yeah. So, yeah. But, but how weird is that? Yeah. Isn't that is that not so strange? Exactly. Like the connection. Maybe some uphill. Yeah. Well, we just said about space restrained land that I did not know. Um, so that was his programming. Uh, right. One of his personalities was probably a literate. But MK Monarch, which they have admitted is real in 24. I didn't know that. Mm-hmm. It's very clever. And they say archive. How is Monarch different than ultra though? Oh, well, what was the essence of the people now that you're like, why is Kanye so crazy? That's why it's the all your favorite diss. Well, Disney, the fucking Rosa Crucian that allowed the CIA to do stuff to him underneath Disney land. And that's real. I don't know if you know about Rosa Crucian. Well, he was, he was Opus Day. But their victims are talking. He was an Opus Day like the early Freemason kind of like before you turn 18. They all come together. I would say, you know, the last thing I saw of Gary Wayne, by the way, I'm not religious at all. Also, isn't it like club 33 or something? Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, club 33. No, it's all so bad. He was like, well, the movie's Bavarian fairy tales. That's weird. Right, right. Hey, Disney sucks now. Hey, you always suck. Are you pushing princess? Something that got me was Joe Rogan bringing up that scene in Pinocchio. You know, we're like, we took them to the little island and you know, this scene in Pinocchio is a classic scene. Yeah, freaky dude. It's like literally Epstein. You got these, like, you know, villains sitting around the table. It's happened. And one of them, like, the big bankery is like, I know how to make a real bit of money. And he starts whispering to them and they're like, take them to pleasure island. He's like, yeah, and he goes, but they're just little boys and he goes, well, they don't come back as boys and they all start laughing about it. And I teach him to pleasure island. Pleasure island. Pleasure island. But the law, suppose they know, no, there's no risk they never come back as boys. So, very symbolic of what would now really go to my subconscious and I want to be famous now. So you've got a masculine feminine side of the brain, which has the Templars will tell you. Yeah, man. They tried to preserve the defined feminine ash-tower worship of the fucking pagans. Yeah. So, but, you know, purple lady, I saw you did DMT the first time, but not like a woman, but I, you know, you heard of the purple lady. I believe that's my right brain feminine decline side. The collective unconscious, that's the meat internet, dude, that's the original internet. All the tech freaks are going to make an artificial version of every. So if you see a, we're going to have brain Wi-Fi, that's how you know, oh, yeah, they're going to copy all the real, they're not going to tell you about them, but they're going to copy them to get back to Atlantis times. And so all this art, oh, could it be archaeological? Yeah. Oh, wait, could this be the Nephilim from the bottom? Yeah, it's all of that shit. Don't you get the, this. I don't know, like, you know, they compartmentalized the names into, like, different names. And you go, well, that's Bible shit, that's UFO. You don't know what anything is. Right. Right, right, right. And that's why they're called Freemasons, even though they don't build nothing. They don't get any tricks. Tom DeLong when he was, Tom DeLong when he was kind of doing the rounds early, early days of the UFO subject. Yeah. One of the things that he brought up. And I don't know how true it is. So I tried to find some, like, validation of whether or not these statues really were outside S-A-I-C headquarters, science applications in international cooperation. I didn't wonder what about that. Those primers, yeah. So you got, like, do you know about this? No. I need these two statues. Yeah. These two statues. Just sit in there as one. It's cool, man. All of the stuff. Yeah. Like, everyone's trying to jump in. But, no, like, outside this tech center in, do you remember where it was meant to be? Was it in San Francisco? Or, like, you know. It was in LA. LA. By where I lived and I wanted to go there. Right. So, like, it was meant to be the old S-A-I-C headquarters. And Tom DeLong, when he was, you know, back in like 2017 doing the rounds. He was like, oh, you guys, you know, there's this place outside the S-A-I-C headquarters where they've got these two statues where you've got this Egyptian pharaoh sitting on a temple seat holding a pyramid in his hand. And it says the past. And then on the other side, you've got a kind of futuristic-looking female goddess-type pharaoh holding a pyramid. And it says the future. I forgot. Past in the future. Do you like the inside there? Yeah. It's the new era. The Golden Dawn. Right, nicely. Wait. You saw the clips from the banan Epstein document. He has 14 hours of footage interviewing Epstein. Yeah. No, I used it for comedy on Kyle Dunnigan's channel. I can't remember what we call it. We had a new show. It was really funny. And it was the talk down. Right. Hollywood celebrities tell you the news. And it's called the talk down. I like that. I like that. We did like the more you know parodies because my boy, Jason Burmese, who ever from loose change back in the day, who was right. Oh, yeah. At least change, yeah. Right. I didn't think he was, but he was. Well, it's so funny. They're kind of admitting that at the highest levels. There's like a nine to let like people like we need to look into the 9/11 file. Right. Like Cash Patel. Yeah. Like Colsey or say. Yeah. Yeah. That would have been if you were to say this five years ago, you'd be called. Yeah. You'd be laughed out of a room. Yeah. Any room you're in. Well, I mean, you probably could be debanked. I feel like there's only so far they can go in investigations with 9/11 before they start blaming their greatest ally for it, right? So it's kind of like. It takes a village. Yeah. Of course, our best friend, our craft career was involved. Don't forget Pakistan. Yeah. You're talking about Osama, right? Yeah. Yeah. So see more Hirsch released probably what happened and he's an impeccable journalist. Fantastic. Okay. I didn't hear of it in 2011. It came out and there was some, oh, I think zero dark 30 and shit. Yeah. Which is nonsense. Yeah. It's a propaganda propaganda. See, he was a guy that was, and I went watching that guy Shrek from Delta Forest talk about it on things. He goes, that guy went dialysis, he crossed the mountains and got away. Well, first of all, he had to get away because how could we go to Iraq if they killed the guy that did 9/11? How could we go to Iraq then? Get it? You ever see a Tony Claus in speech? How do we get to war in Iran about the real speech? I think it's interesting that like obviously you got Rumsfeld talking about 2.3 trillion missing dollars from the Pentagon and it cost about that much to do the Middle East in the invasion. So it's like, is this a big money? Long-term operation. Yeah. It's a lot of cash flowing through this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Lost in fits. From HUD. Right. Under George, I think it's W. Bush. Yes. There's like 23 trillion dollars missing since 1997. Yeah. And I know Joseph E. Ferrell, that smart, that smart motherfucker, he keeps track of financial crimes around the world. Yeah. And he put together all these weird missing amounts of money with fake bearable, but they're not. They're obvious like fakes. Yeah. It doesn't make sense. Yeah. This is the kind of stuff that gets you up. Break away. The craziest thing about Epstein that I learned recently is that did you know that Bill Gates's science advisor is the backup executor to Epstein's will doesn't shock me didn't know that. Didn't know that. It doesn't shock me. How crazy is that? And he was, he said he found out and then he goes, I was shocked to find out that I was listed. Whoa. You come from Bill Gates where he's like, well, he's dead now. So, you know, like nothing more to say about that. Who's his family? Oh, yeah. That's right. He's dead. So, is there a lesson for you for anyone else looking, looking at this? Well, he's dead. So, you know, in general, you always have to be careful. That's a threat. I took it. Yeah. Like shut the fuck up. I told you. I told you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because that guy, he's the grandson of course of like one of Rockefeller's fixers. Right. Is that true? He was a middle-class kid and Steve Jobs was a hippie. I think he was the other nerd. That was military I think, right? Oh, you don't say. I think so. Yeah. But then he was his grandfather. He was a fixer for the Rockefeller and that's relearned to buy the press because as you know, Rockefeller, everybody hated that motherfucker because he was a piece of shit. And then they had the idea to do PR. So that's Bernie. That's right. Edward Bernard. The PR. What do you think PR is? The blackest of magic. Mm-hmm. Okay. He's a big, farmed, old, occult shit. So the mind control part, okay? That's old. That goes to Egypt, right? You got your Pharaohs who were in bread like those LA Bapedogs that are like, stop in breeding them. Come on. Come on. Stop doing that, right? A corrupt priest class. And I got some of this from Rudolf Steiner. If you look. Yeah, no, Rudolf. He's very boring. But he has a lot of stuff. Yeah. He has very interesting. He is because he tells you backstate, like how I would talk shit about a comic. He talks shit about a cultist. That's the juiciest, best part. Right, right. Okay. And I found out all kinds of shit from just his gossip. The main shit is almost, I don't know. I get off from that. No, I disagree with you. I think the main stuff's really interesting. Okay. All of these things are the same thing. Kabbalah. So, did you study Kabbalah? I can't say it. Oh, I wouldn't say I studied it. Familiar with it. Oh, will it affect your life deeply because all these esoteric groups that fraternities, when you went to France in college, didn't have France in the UK. Yeah. That's a purely American phenomenon. You've already got it. American Pie. Yeah. You've already got an Oxford check. Yeah, dude. Okay. Body and good Oxford. But you have it. That's where. Yeah. So, but you know, I know everybody got it. Israel. But guess what? We're even worse. And UK is the one that got that shit going back. Oh, yeah. Well, we've got old school esoteric belief systems. That's right. And that's why there's no justice about Jimmy. People are mad about the grooming gang. Now, I used to write for Sasha Baron Cohen on who was America. Okay. The pranks we did. That's cool. Yeah. It was fucking a lot. I love that shit. Dude, I miss them guys. I was like a good. His group is like a band. They're not like the right. Yeah. So he does round tables. Like the great Cecil Roots. Yeah. And so, so they picked me to write to stay on. They don't. Right. Yeah. And I got on with them. Dude, immediately. Anne Hines and Dan Swam. And let's do. I love him. But understand, he's old money. He's coanim, which is like real old money. With Doxford. The reason I got along with them is because they're sense of humor. They're like smart-ass. Smart kids. Right. Right. Yeah, he's this whole family super smart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm Jersey Shore trash. - Of course. - Yeah, do you know about that? - No, we do. - So like, the original city of London isn't the city of London. The financial quarter, which is one square mile of London, is called the city of London. And that's got its own mayor, it's got its own police force, it's got its own laws, it's basically like the Vatican sitting in the middle of a city. And that's where all of them-- - Oh, Hugh. - Running financial flow. - Oh, there it is. Like, I mean, so like, there's a really good documentary called The Spider's Web, Britain's Second Empire. Like, that will open your eyes to just how much financial corruption runs through London. Like, the Swiss have got nothing on us. Like, we really do run the financial sector of like high crime and it's-- - You read about American world power, you said. - Yeah, I love it. We're used to mention Cecil Rhodes. - Yeah, so that's why-- - Well, let's get into this, 'cause maybe they dovetail, 'cause it Carol Quigley wrote this book, The English American Establishment. Talks about round table cultures, Cecil Rhodes, in Lord Alfred Milner or whatever, and like them having, those secret societies led to the intelligence agency that we have today. - What's it based on? The Illuminati. - Right. Old school, the Barrier and Illuminati. And like, yeah, yeah, Jesy Woods. - He based his group on those. It's in the, what's that movie, it's pretty, they're pretty good. The first one, Kingsman. - Oh, Kingsman, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, that stuff right into those shots, like real. - I'm a writer, and I study this shit, 'cause I've gotta make, I wanna write jokes. I don't wanna, I wanna fucking make movies. So, I know sometimes they might be doing predictive programming, certainly, but understand, there's a dude like me that looks at this shit, because you can find the best, 'cause you gotta write something new that you haven't heard before. That's how I could tell if you're lying to me a lot of times, 'cause you told me a myth theme is writing a bazooka call. - I seen this one, man. Weapons of mass destruction. I saw that 20 years ago. I could spot it now. - Exactly, yeah. - It's not that I'm that quick. - It's yellow cake all over again, like same shit. - Oh, not them, I don't know. I'm maybe a heretic here in that I think Tucker maybe overreact. Look, I think to which point? - I think a surgical, whatever surgical strike Trump did is not the same thing as nation building any rack like we did for as long as. - Shot for shot, right. - Sure, but like, wait, that's three years before, just stand with the implications of that. But let's not get into some meta layer. I'm just saying I got a basic geopolitical level. - Fucking matrix man. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not sure that that was like a bad move and didn't set their program for a while. - There are eight levels. - Do you know this? There's eight levels of top secret above the president and the reason for that is, yeah, well, most people don't, but yeah, I don't think you know that. - Highest, highest is nuke. - Why, why did I not wear the robes of a wise man? Yeah, that's true. That's true. Am I not holding the baton egypticus? Why would you think I don't know that? Well, I do know that and you do because you read that book. Carol Quigley was given cosmic level clearance to go to the, as Douglas Murray says, have you been to the archive? He's been. He's been. - He's definitely a spooky guy. Carol Quigley also is a professor at Georgetown who Bill Clinton said, "Defined his world view "more than anybody else." - Oh yeah. - So the city of London, so if you go through that thread, England, the American establishment to today, do you think the city of London still has like, the Vatican city of London? Do you think any of these groups, Nights of Malta, you've done a lot of amazing work in Malta? Do you think any of these groups have disproportionate power to that? - Oh, yeah, like, there you go, there you go. There you go, yeah. - Oh, I wonder. - I would agree with Kurzloff, like, I mean. - Holy shit. - Yeah, like England. - Oh, I wonder if they do. - Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm going to be like, masking jet. - England, England is such an old country man. I think we're just very good at being quiet with the amount of influence and power that we have. How many crab claws have you had, brother? - I think that's a crab claw podcast. - Three claws down, and I'm happy you had one. - You didn't even bring me where's tranquilizer. - Okay. - Okay. - Do you think the crab claws are? - I just want to bust them out. I want to be on your wavelength right now. I want to be on your bandwidth. - That you should have. - Yeah. - I got one more, I don't want it. You got it. - I'll have it. - Yeah. How many way claws have you gone? - Wait, do you, do you? - I'm gonna call that. I'm gonna call that. I'm gonna call that. - Do you think the secret societies are the most powerful people who ever lived had undue influence? Oh, I won't do it. - But you know what, you know what, it's easy to say. - 'Cause it's a truth. - Well, no, it's really easy to be hand wavy about this stuff and that it's much harder, and this is my criticism of dark journalists to actually understand how any of this stuff works. - I don't think I have a really great map of the world. I suspect that some of this stuff exists, but I think asking these questions is very of valid. - Exactly. - You go to ask an obvious question. - You did. - People that don't know. - Exactly. - I want you to show. And I appreciate you having me on, brother, and I hope you understand that. - No idea. - I just think it's important that people understand if you think they wouldn't do that, they would do that. History tells you they would do that. Whatever you think they wouldn't do, not only would they do it if you did worse already. And I think that when it comes to somewhere like the UK, when it comes to somewhere like the UK, you know, we're very good at being kind of diplomatically quiet in terms of influence. So a lot of people say, "Oh, you know, British Empire has done like that a long time ago." It's like not so much actually, not with the financial element at play. So I'd say that we hold a lot of influence over the financial kind of like, you know, global market, a lot of bad money flows right into London and then like, yeah, the city of London is this weird kind of like financial sector. Like I said, they've got their own mayor, they've got their, they've also got the only unelected members who can go into Parliament called the Remembrance, sir. This guy called the- Yeah, for real, right? For real. There are the Remembrance, sir. What is this? So he's an individual, or she, who works for the corporation of the City of London. That is older than London. Okay, so that's like the OG. So that's kind of like you've got the financial set. You've got the City of London financial sector. The beating heart of that is the corporation of London. Very dystopian stuff, right? And so the Remembrance, sir, it's what a title, right? will go into parliament and sit and listen and then report back to the corporation and they'll make a decision if they're actually going to pass that. That's that's a real government behind the government. Yeah. So interesting. Yeah. They're a human. They're a mentat from Dune is what you're telling me. Pretty much. Yeah. It's the same kind of a vibe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, I played that game. London Bridge is in Lake Havasu. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, these walls. Yeah. They moved up and they moved. They moved London Bridge. They took London Bridge to America and built it lake like have a series just like the old city of London. Yeah, and free mason's laid the first stones in Lake Havasu like for that. Well, nice Columbus is the controlling interest. And the reason they brought that bridge is because there's kids wadds up in it. And it's a negatively charged up the court. I don't know about that. Oh, yes. Well, Nathan Reynolds go check him out. See, I started his right deal because I I'm on a new show. Okay. So I'm looking at the current event. - What's your show? - Jimmy Dore. I'm on it. - Oh, Jimmy Dore, okay. - Okay, so I'm getting actual news that nobody's getting because all the channels that people think are news are literally propaganda for the one guy who's president at the time. So Fox is entirely for Trump. I know your Boomer parents watch it. They can. It's a program Trump, of course. MSNBC was for for Supreme Biden. Okay, well I want to see Morning Joe. That's it's all for one guy and they're bloodline with the British I will I will say that like from a Britain Yeah, they read the lead bloodline with the british from a From a British perspective like our propaganda is a bit more nuanced and subtle than the Americans From well, I would argue it still is and the you know when you look at CNN and NBC Like at least from my perspective. It's like well, you can tell that they're drenched in bias - This is just political talking points. - I'm stuck on a tour of Mac too. - Yeah bro, what is what I'm saying though? It feels like the BBC for example, the fucking clever man, like they'll drip it in very subtly, and it's lovely British accents. You really feel like you're being informed, but it's the exact same thing. It's just a little bit more subtle. - Do you see that? - Speaking of which, you see this Wall Street Journal article about the UFO stuff. - Yeah man, like again, I feel like there's a mix of like some actual truth to what they're saying, and also, you know, an incentive to try and kind of, like disrupt what's going on in the UAP conversation. But I would argue that there is definitely a level of like, you know, bringing people in. Again, it comes back to this campfire story thing, like how many, no offense, but how many whistleblowers have got up and gone like, yeah, I was told this, I was told this, I was told that, I was told this, you didn't see shit, you didn't know that, you didn't see it. So you've been told this by who, by Lou, by Chris, by Gary Nolan, by whoever it might be. And it's like, where's the seed? I want to trace the seed back to the origin of mine. And where's the actual information? Because whenever you ask these guys, They got told it by another GS 15 or another high level. Yeah, well, I'm friends with his cousin. They fucking hate each other. John War of the Fair. Yeah, John War of the Fair. Yeah, I know right. He's a classic character. He's great. Melon has the ex-protect file. Yeah. What happened to the Academy of the Stars? Where'd that go? Yeah, exactly what I was talking about this not that long ago. Like two to stars Academy, that's, you know, Tom DeLong, I feel, got thrown under the bus. He was what they would call a useful idiot. No offense to the guy. Yeah, like, you know, he was all excited. and I'll quickly, you know, how he initially started this, like, Tom DeLong, with-- - He spent his personal fortune. - But didn't he, no, he performed it. - He was invited. - Yeah, like, because he had the money-- - Holiday party or something. - Yeah, so he's always been involved in like, the UFO subject, because he's got the money and the connections. He actually knew a dude at Lockheed Martin, who was like, there's like a family and friends meetup happening, would you be interested in introducing the bosses onto the stage? And he was like, I want 10 minutes with your boss afterwards, but yeah, and that's when he had, right? So literally, right? So he walks into Lockheed Martin, And then he gets taken through the classified facilities to a meeting room where he sits down with the big bosses, skunk works, all this stuff. pitches to the stars academy and he was saying on the radio, you know, you have to go and be of service. I wanted to be of service. He basically went in there and was like, here's a template. I am your medium into the public, into the, you know, the youth of today. Use me. However you like. And one thing I'll say real quick is that despite the controversy, and I wouldn't say I trust this guy a hundred percent, but Stephen Greer was kicking down doors at that point. He had like, you know, six million, seven million views on Netflix. He's talking about unacknowledged special access programs, illegal programs, real repercussions that need to happen. This is an uncontrollable asset who's out there making noise. Suddenly, Tom DeLong turns up to the heartland of classified security, right? Lockheed Martin. And he's like, guys, use me. Here's what I want to do. Tell me what you want to do. Suddenly, two to star, suddenly, Louis Luzando, suddenly Chris Melon, suddenly, New York Times. And it just feels like they were like, this is the opportunity we needed. There's a disruptive guy out there who's giving this narrative about illegal programs. It's going to cause trouble for us. Suddenly, here's a really famous guy who's got a link straight to the youth of today. And he's saying we can fuck it up. I think there's an email I think between him and Podesta, where he's like, he's like, yeah, they were tight. They were tight. They were tight. They were tight. This came out on weekly leaks and DeLong is like, I want to, you know, give the truth, but I also want, you know, I don't want people to, I want the government to be portrayed. It's cool. Yeah. These emails came out. Yeah, dude, dude. So they're on WikiLeaks. What's interesting is they are gone. I've tried to find these WikiLeaks emails where he's talking about a mid-shall and something that people are saying. They did. Yeah. But they're 404 on the website. Yeah. Every single one about Tom DeLong into facing with Podesta and people like that. Yeah. In the day, bro, he was literally saying to Podesta on emails like, I really want to try and get the youth of today to be more pro-military, more pro-government. And this is how we're going to do it. And so the secret machines, books and the TV series was all about trying to build confidence back into the institution. And yet, and yet, and yet, I look at the people he was talking to you, Neil McCaslin, Steve Justice, where I'm like, what's the justice go? What Steve Justice go? What do you know what I mean? Totally. And I share your frustration around the campfire story stuff, but I'm like, these guys are high level dudes. And like, I don't think they would come fast stories with a TSSI clearance attack, right? Yeah, totally, totally. And I don't think they would be spending this much time with the frontman of Blink 182. There wasn't something. But that's what I'm saying. They're trying to get it. Well, I want to know where that kernel of actual data exists that they're then echoing back into the circles of people who are like, well, I got told by Lou and Lou told me this. It's like, right? So who told him and where does he find it? I could tell you that. Go for it. So I came on. The thing that they have admitted was real. Now try and stay on it. Yeah. Yeah. Um, most of your favorite story. I think really the only actor didn't work with the CIA is probably Steven Seagull. The only guy who literally didn't work with the CIA is Steven Seagull. But in the program, which is the continuation of MK Ultra, Tom Delong's family, are they not Air Force? Yeah. He's got intelligence backgrounds and actually. Really Shrymer. Yeah. No, another member of the band as well, um, actually helped this. I'm not going to remember it. But I found this out. I was like, what? So then another member of Blink 182 had family members in the, in the intelligence community. And he actually helped with something in the military and the IC. It was like software or programming or something he, he helped with. So there's two IC male connections in Blink 182. Wow. Tom Delong and his other guy. I think the bassist. But I can't remember. Yeah. It's like all the rock stories of the six. Yeah. Dude, it is weird. It is. It's like all of them. Yeah, in the six. Yeah. Well, your brain. Monarch. But it's just, I don't know. Like, you know, did, did, did, did, did Tom Delong have a natural interest, natural money? I think he did. And then, and then he got brought in and got. Did you hear your story? You know, that's what it feels like. Well, at the time by you, well, I hear, I hear stories. Yeah, exactly. But I think that is not programmed into him because he's from an early age from one of them. Right. Right. I want to be of service. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. But then I hear stories of, you know, people like Neil McCastlin, who ran, I think the AFRL, Air Force Research Laboratory at Wright Pat and stuff. Like, serious dudes taking Peter LeVendez work. So Peter LeVendez co-wrote, you know, this book with me. Going back to the old. Yeah. And the green war and all sorts of things, like very seriously. And I don't know what to think of it because I, like, I'm like, like, even my own relationship with the sort of more esoteric elements of this stuff is like, I find it fascinating. I'll be too. But it's, it's definitely, to the extent it's entangled with reality. It's very, it's inherently like sort of covert and like, all to means hidden, you know? Definitely. There's definitely a no stick theme running through a lot of these guys, like what they believe in and this idea of the arcons. And even Tom DeLong on, like, 2016 on the internet. I got breakfast with Tom DeLong. And he told me that he thought these were like arcons. Yeah, yeah. And there's like, you know, in, in Nostec tradition, you have a demi-erge that's a lower god that controls the material world. Top of tier of our reality. And then the gods of that reality, the arcons, you kind of like, we cycle us back into the soup of reincarnation, yeah. Have you ever thought of scaling that down and applying the arcontidal to your human leaders? Right. Of all themselves that because they think it's their divine right to do that to you. Yeah. I would say it's a very similar type of a thing. And then, like, you know, you look at Tom DeLong was like so excitedly talking in 2016 on the radio about this when someone asked about the arcons and he was like, yeah, dude, like, we've been developing weapons systems because we know they're coming back and we've been waiting for them. And then, you know, this is why they can't tell you about the UFO subject. And it's like, right, I have a massive issue with this. Like, I have an issue with people who say, like, we've been doing this in secret. That's why we couldn't tell you. Okay. So these things are trans-dimensional. They apparently interface with consciousness. Can apparently bend spacetime fabric, but we can keep a secret from them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's a great point. That's a great source. Right, right, right, right. We know where. And they wouldn't know. It's Tom DeLong sitting there on the radio going, like, no, trust me, dude, like we're hiding it because of the aliens. What the fuck? They've heard it. So that doesn't wash with me. Yeah. I think that, you know, someone like Tom DeLong, he got brought in and he was so excited. And it's kind of like, you know, on a lower level similar to me when I was first meeting people and, you know, like, hanging out with CIA officers and you think this is so cool. Like, these guys are actually giving me time, but they're so good at becoming your friend. I was saying before they're good at doing that because they see you as someone that you, you know, can send a message to her. Yeah, showbiz is called. Yeah. Like, not every time, but I think there's a lot of that in the UFO community because it's like, it's like perfect ground zero for them to interface with the public and create a bit of a rumor or, you know, a bit of a campfire story. What do you think the point because a part of me is like a confusion, a confusion, absolute confusion as to what it's actually going on. Because like, again, there's definitely something going on, something really, really important and probably non-human. Do you have like a best guess at that, or do you think that maybe the Psyop above all else is that they don't know? Yeah. And so you just haven't got a clue. Because I suspect that no one knows. Well, that's kind of where I lean is like they've got maybe slightly higher fidelity information and ideas, but they don't really know what it is and they don't know how to address it. And it's like, you know, how does the premier national security apparatus go? We have no idea. They can penetrate every system. They can destroy us. They can take you out of your room at night, like, you know, all that kind of stuff. Like, yeah, I think that there's an element of that. But then there's also like, you know, like I said, the classified exotic research and, you know, using the alien as a smokescreen for that. So there's so many incentives to keep us in the dark and also spread all these different stories, which we've seen since like the 1940s when they started these UFO conferences and these spooks and spies would come in and they'd give people ideas. But look at what we're dealing with now, a spaghetti junction of narratives with a thousand people saying a thousand things and they're all true. This is a narrative. This is a narrative. Like, no one actually knows. That feels purposeful. Yeah. Feels like it's generating noise because again, there is something to look at. Yeah. And it's maybe the implications are so deep that they can't risk people knowing about it. So it's better to believe in grey aliens coming from alpha-central or oil, whatever, you know. But again, like you said, I think that there's a likelihood that they don't really know. They don't really know. Yeah. And that's the shit out of them. Yeah. There's clearly, there are patterns. There's clearly an old gods or something. Like, you know, like, we might think like, you know, the book of the Collins Elite. Oh, man. I've read a few things on the Collins Elite. They've been at the final events by Nick, Nick Redford. Yeah, Nick Redford. Now, whoever he was talking to was feeding him. Horse shit. Right. But the book's still very interesting. Radical twist. You know, idealogs. Yes. Because I watched Jason Joy. I was called Jazz Gibrone. But it seems Jason Joy. Johnny. Because he. And again, I don't need to agree with all your points. I have. Everybody's got a little piece. I just want a piece. Yeah. He. He goes, this Collins Elite that are fundamentalist Christians, George W. Bush years. Okay. So he co-impiles in on that. There'd be a lot of these people in on that and they're fundamentalist Christians. Then you read about what they did. Well, first we met aliens and then we're like, can we use this to assassinate people? Well, you guys Christians, I thought you were Christians. Right. Right. Yeah. Christians do that. Yeah. No, they don't. No, they don't. So now I'm being fetish. And just so you know, is one of the old Barnabas Collins from the, what do they call it? The Dark Shadows, Johnny Depp played them in the remake. Oh, I don't know, man. Yeah. It was a 70s thing from England. Barnabas Collins. Very popular. Dark Shadows. Johnny Depp played him in the Tim Burton remake movie. Okay. Okay. But that name Collins. That's one of them. The 13 families. Right. Big powerful name. Yeah. First warlocks in America is the Erkley and Defame. I wonder if that's the same Collins Elite. Maybe. A lot of a cultist all think that they're Christian and they say it like they are, like your J.R.R. Tolkien's who by the way was a Rosa Crucian, yeah, just like Disney, but he was. He was. Yeah. And his Catholic priest son was a. Didn't. Did any of that? Didn't a Tolkien eventually convert to Christianity fully because of C.S. Lewis or. Oh, I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. 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Once you realize that principle of a metaphorical overlay, then you go, I've heard this story before like I'm saying the tall whites. Oh, this sounds like some racist came to an island and we're like a cargo cult that tries to make the same planes out of wood. But I got news for you. I think they have all those meta materials now. The helium three and the fuck and the Bob Lazar Muscovium 113 because I tell you about it. They made that in a particle collider in Russia. That's what sir is. How much meta material could I get out of the biggest one or the 30,000 ones we have? You know, you know something wild about certain, right? They're not open in portals. They're making it. Well, you know what's interesting about that. Because I mean, like, obviously like everyone's making theories about certain and what's going on there. But there was that woman who I stood stuckleberger. Yeah, man. And she's got a hell of a resume. She is a really impressive. She's not like a public health policy expert, but sits on all these interesting words and she's in an interview and she goes, physicists from CERN are telling me that beings are pulling out of the international portals at CERN. There are lots of physicians. I had a no-sum that doing very strange experimentation. There are beings from portals coming in and out, physicists from the CERN who told me this. They've testified to beings coming in and out of portals. Yes. So this is what's crazy. Right. I reached out to her. A one something like last summer, not maybe maybe two summers ago. Right. Because I was faster. That interview came out and I was like, I need to because I do think high energy physics, whether it's Thomas Towns and Brown, Tesla, nuclear stuff, you get weird stuff showing up. Yeah, you can yield anomalies. Yeah, for sure. That's where you're testing the boundaries of our reality and that the whole fineman, there's room at the bottom. That's how you get into that. And so I was like, okay, this is really interesting. So I reach out to her, no response. Then I throw that clip in a long video I did with this guy, Riz Burk, who does simulation theory stuff. She go back to you. And she emails me and she was like, we must talk now or whatever. And it was, yeah, and it was responding to my initial inquiry clearly because she had read it. Right. Right. Right. And I was like, whatever. I don't know who this guy is. Yeah. But clearly she did. And I was like, okay, let's talk this week and then just ghosted. Like never, never heard from her. So so strange. Well, that's the thing. I only, she was on like some obscure interview on Bitshoot, I'll say something like that. You know, she wasn't on like YouTube or anything like that. And I think because she was also talking about COVID and it was during that time where you just couldn't say shit. But I found it very interesting what she was saying. And I don't know, man, like, you know, certain, so many theories about what they're doing over there and it's a difficult one, but high energy physics. Like you said, I mean, I've heard some things from people who, you know, work in the quantum computational industries and kind of like some of the high level simulations they're running on like black holes and dog matter and weird shit is going on localized to the computer. And there's a famous, there's a famous crash in the US at South Haven right next to Brookhaven National. Wow. Right. Brookhaven. That's, that's where our largest particle accelerator is. So that's our certain equivalent in Long Island. Right. And you have the police chiefs there and a bunch of local residents say that it was collected by Brookhaven. The crash itself and Brookhaven's Montauk, right? That's Montauk. It's kind of like in that vein like we had shit going down on Brookhaven labs. They had a gate program. Yeah, they had something going on. You didn't tell it to you. Do you guys think the Montauk experiments were real? Cause you've had on Eric Hacker. Yeah. Yeah. Eric Hacker. Yeah. I know you guys were chatting in a space a lot of ago. You know, we bombed Iraq that day. They had a five point. No shit. Too earthquake. Hey, you know, Syria, where we just installed al-Qaeda. Remember, we went to war. Your brain makes too many connections. That's what the government tells me. Yeah. Yeah. Think we'll just call it a little context for the audience real quick. Eric Hacker. Who's Eric Hacker? Eric Hacker is he was a plumber, like quite a high level plumber. He went out to a lot of different like, you know, interesting clients, but he ended up getting a contract via Raytheon to go out to Antarctica and do work out there. Ice cube. Yeah. Ice cube, you Trino detector and things like this. And because of his role, like people kind of like shrug it off because, you know, you're just a mechanic, just a plumber, but because of that role, you get access to so many different areas of like the sites and the facilities to do basic work and upkeep. And he said that he had noticed that like energy was being transferred from one area to another area where it wasn't supposed to be going. Like a huge amount of energy was being sent after these places when he was, you know, trying to de-energize the cables and things like that. And he was like, you know, where's all this going? They were like, don't even worry about it. And then he, I can't remember the specifics of how he's kind of come to this conclusion, but he's pretty sure that the ice cube, neutrino detector, which is like embedded into the ice. I mean, it's absolutely insane. This thing of all these like doms that are going deep down into the ice. It's essentially like, you know, it's three-dimensional technological construct. He thinks that there is, well, he's found documentation to be fair to him. Like documents that insinuate it's a two-way device that the energy can be used to emit. Instead of just receive. So it's not just a receiver. And it's an earthquake gun. You know, that's right. I don't know how true that is, because I haven't really seen satis-factually on the LF waves. But that is the claim. That is what he's saying. And he's become quite well-known for, you know, talking about that. And I know you've connected to him pretty recently as well. Oh, yeah, it's a good thing with him. I talked to him all the time. He also talks about, because he says he was in it, like a childhood. Yes, I'm sorry, yeah, yeah. And then he also talks about the Montauk experiment. I grew up on Long Island. I had a very peculiar history of nefarious activity with the Stargate program. Yeah, you know, I've forgotten the name of Innisfada. Innisfada. That was the name of the school that's now been turned. It was renamed and then destroyed. But I did find the place. It was real. And it was called Innisfada when he was there. And it was like this weird school for gift to children. And they would do the remote viewing stuff. And apparently they'd take him to the library and put this like fluid in their eyes that would make everything turn slightly yellow. And he said he'd remember like being really like pumped to go outside and like see if it was still there because everything would be in yellow. And he didn't really know why they were doing that. But it was at this time where he was being, you know, kind of prompted to remote view. And, you know, there's no wrong answer. Just tell us what you think. Can he really understand what was going on in this setting? Because it was very different to his school environment. And like Kurt said, you know, this is something that a lot of people seem to have been brought into, especially in America. It seems you guys have been running that because I don't know about the UK. I haven't heard many stories of like, you know, that kind of stuff. I know like it's right. Right. Right. Four or five people who, if you met in any other context, you'd be like, this is a normal credible person. And say that they like brought into these. They're brought into this some program as a kid. They don't remember a certain year of their life. Yeah. That's really interesting. Yeah. I think there's some truth to that brother. Like, you know, of course, you would try and get some of the best and brightest and try and especially if you're genuine, they are interested in parapsychology, but you tell the world that. It's like, right, find these kids. See if they can do it. See if they can interface me. NASA had the star kids. That's even like mainstream knowledge. Now we know the NASA was getting these kids and trying to get them into remote viewing and. Yeah. I'm Dr. Buharech had an institute in upstate New York. And a lot of the astronauts did remote viewing. I mean, Aga Mitchell's pretty known for that doing experiments when he was up on the moon and Gordon Cooper. Discussion about space kids. Yeah. You know, people think the moon landing is fake. Right, right. I don't think it is just based on they put a blue Mason large flag on. Yeah. Buzz Aldrin. Do you think the footage that we saw might have been faked, but not the actual mission itself? That's my. That's kind of where I am. Yeah. I wonder because some people say, like, you know, people say nukes aren't real because some of the footage is fake. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mark Andrewsson said that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry to tell you he's one. I watch him do it. Tell that shit to the Japanese man. They might have a few things to say about that. I got this Joseph P. Farrell. This is a great little tidbit. I've never heard anybody say this before. When he remembers from being a a little nerd kid when what's the German guy that ran the rocket program, the famous Werner von Braun. Yeah, he has a blurb in Time magazine that his mom got. And he's reading in Werner von Braun, he tells the, while he's talking about the moon facts, you know, he goes, well, the point of neutral, you know, the point of neutral gravity where it, he gives like double the amount for what they said it is. - Right, right. - And then who does? - von Braun, von Braun, von Braun. - To what we're now giving today, like not only that. So, because he's such a turbo nerd, just go. He puts together, that means there's more dense than they're saying is farther away. Oh, right. There's a race to the moon. Remember how we got to get to the moon? Don't know why, but we got to get there. - Yeah. - Before we would brush it. - Well, Sputnik was beating us. - That's the, that's what they told, right? - That's what we told for sure. - How did we get all the good Nazis after the war, but Sputnik was beating us in space. How does that work? Oh, maybe the same way Pearl Harbor worked. - You know, where you cut off Japan's oil, so they have to whack you. - Sputnik. - 'Cause you want 'em too. - So you think Sputnik was a fast black? - No, I think they wanted Sputnik to go ahead. - Right, so they had to-- - We got to start working a lot harder, guys. - It provided the impetus to do that, right? And what's weird as well is that there's a clip. There's this really good clip. I mean, it's just like a real, what the fuck moment with this Nasser astronaut who's like, oh, I'd go back to the moon in a nanosecond. The problem is we destroyed that technology, and it's a very difficult process to build it back again. I'd go to the moon in a nanosecond. The problem is we don't have the technology to do that anymore, we used to, but we destroyed that technology, and it's a painful process to build it back again. - It's like, what? And like, how did we get through the Van Allen radiation bell at that time? But now we can't. - Yeah, it's really an L.E.O. low earth, a little bit now. It's like, you know how starships, what their plan is to get to the minute. It's wild. - What is it? - Starship is, you know, Elon's latest rocket, 150 to 200 tons or whatever, and this is a state of the art, you know, thing. It's obviously much more tonnage than what we were dealing with back then. It's meant to like carry, you know, huge pillage of starlings and shit, but still, this is what we have to do now to get to the minute. - And we did this before, we had something like an iPhone, like, you know, the entire computational processing of Nasser couldn't even fit in my pocket. - And your pocket, you know what I mean? - So, so, so these things now go up to low earth orbit. They burn 9/10 of the fuel tank just to get to lower the orbit. And then they, they're orbiting around. And then you have to get another one up. That burns 9/10. It does butt to butt refueling with the first one. So you get two tents in that first noise. - Okay. - The second one that disposes of itself, you have to do that 10 times to get a full tank in lower the orbit. And then that one, that's fully refueled, goes to the moon. - Yeah, I feel like that alone. - It's insane. - And they'll ask some serious questions. - It's insane, yeah. - It's not really a great source. - Yeah, where the fuck? - Also, oil is not rare. Colonel Proudy told us. That's like, it diamonds. Like the beers. - Stay on track. So you just set me up this track. Fuck it. - Hold on. - No, it's a little. - So you're king of non-sequiters. But you don't, okay, look, look. I'm telling you this for real, dude. Part of the things for people in the program, they have a list of you can read. - You're non-linear thinking. - The ability to synthesize the only unrelated events. Now, when I read that, that's how I write jokes. - The reason I look at all goofy shit and I look at everything is so I can have jokes. A lot of my jokes that I made as jokes have like come true for disturbing the fuck out of me. - Dan Pizzog needs to write American Cosmic, too, about Kurt in his brain. - American Cosmic, too, electric blue. - He gets downloads, yeah, electric blue. Dude, look, he has protocols. And you all should be seeing that. I want to make this clear that I'm not smart. I fell for 9/11 back in the day. I was in New York and they go, "We got to go to Iraq." And people rightly pointed out that makes zero sense. And I said, "Shut up!" I mean, a lot of faces Jesse made here on the show today. - Be a patriot. - I'm joking, come on. - Well, I just, I think you have to, like, with 9/11 even, like I now suspect more than ever that there's some fuckery there, but I don't know. And I think you have to stay in that not knowing zone to be an honest. - Let me give you a good parable from the. - Do you remember when we starved half a million kids in Iraq with those sanctions? And what's her creepy name? She was the bird bitch that, she's getting interviewed in 60 minutes, all bright, mental and all bright. And the lady goes, "I know I'm watching." You're going to be the first female secretary of state at all. - Oh, that matters. That matters if you're a lizard person, don't you? (laughing) Let me get through it. Okay, I don't get a nervous, rich kid feeling. I'm just trying to get through it. I know they're your friends, just relax. Okay, I don't blame you for the FTX kid. I'm not like the other one. (laughing) - So, that'll all bright sit there getting asked. - I'm gonna raise it. - I'm a comic. She's being asked, "Hey, over half a million kids star "from our sanctions, you know, we canceled Iraq." And their kids starved, 'cause that's what we do, the good country. And was it worth it? And now, all bright, she goes, like a zombie, she is just, I think it was, the first warme said that. - Damn, bro. - I think it was worth starving half a, now luckily we have the numbers. It's only a quarter a million Iraqi kids. So, but if she would do that and say, I think it's worth it on a goddamn camera, you think that bitch wouldn't drink a baby in the woods with an outfit like this on? Are you dumb? Are you young? - Right. - You haven't figured out the scam yet. So I think of this like scams. They don't know what it is. They thought they knew. They got Nigerian prints scammed. Get it? Think of it as crypto scams. Be coffees ill about it. Coffee's ill of who I recommended to Rogan Show. I wanna admit. He chromies Trezor Gasmos, the writer of As the Carpets or the Drapes. I recommended them. The guy does killer work, right? Just apply that. Just do a metaphor. It's so easy. It's just pattern recognition. You can see the game that being played on you. Hey, this reminds me of this. You just gotta do that. All humans can do this shit. You're literally training you not to do it. Have you noticed? - I believe there is some ambient evil in the neoliberal world order or whatever. But Aniokhan with her support. - Your world order was kind of synonymous in many ways. - Yeah, man. - But like when you meet these people, I don't know. I'm not sure they're drinking baby blood in the woods. Like I'm sure that I know there is weird shit. Like the Epstein shit, of course. - You know the empty ultra-reason, right? Manchurian candidate is based on that. What if we could have a secret agent that don't know they're an agent? Wouldn't that be great? And if he had captured, they honestly didn't know they did it. We achieved that. That's been achieved since ancient Egypt. But we achieved it. We big-farm it with the Nazis we saved. As that's not a matter of public record, not a conspiracy. We brought Nazis here with big fucking scars down the face to run NASA, which had a space kids camp. I wonder what went on there. And we had them run it to some reason beat the Soviet to the moon. - Wait, NASA had to destroy the ship. - NASA had a space kids camp. - Yeah. - I didn't know that. - Like I was saying, you can look it up now. It's kind of general knowledge they had like space kids and like the star kids, I think it was called or something like that. - I know about puharyach or whatever, but didn't that NASA? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - NASA had something like a gift it children's thing, but I think there is kind of like, you know, there's a mainstream acknowledgement of that. And then the surface layer of that is people saying, yeah, and while we were there, they were teaching us remote viewing. That's kind of like the thing that's not necessarily discussed publicly, but it was part of that program. - Yeah, wow. - Absolutely. - Yeah man. - No, I don't remember doing anything like that. It wasn't nothing happened, but I just don't remember. - Well, we're in a bond apparently encouraged also. Edgar Mitchell to go up and do this sort of parapsychology like it's hard sort of. - Yeah, well he busters beginning, remember that? - No. - Gonna go spusters and build. - Dan, I've gotten dinner with Dan Ackroyd. He is obsessed with UFOs. - Yeah, okay, he's an issue. - Dan Ackroyd's probably a high level free Mason. And that's why he's into it. - Boy says his family isn't like, you know, psychic research for 100 years. - That's who knows a lot of stuff. I promise you. - The other smokes a ton of weeds, you know. - Maybe that. - We open some portals. - On the MK Ultra list of what drugs do to control you? - Yeah. - Marijuana breaks amnesiac barriers and interferes with the program so in Montauk. - That's probably why Montauk. (laughing) - Don't worry, they fix the problem now. So the weed I'm sure. - Oh, lame man. - But why was weed illegal so long? Well, it interfered with the mass mind control. - Can I, can I give you my crazy? MK Ultra theory? - Go right ahead. - Okay, so Jolly West, you know, one of the architects of MK Ultra, like I feel like a lot of it was like, he had this like center for violence studies, violence reduction. I kind of think it was like local violence creation for mass pacification or violence reduction. - Interesting. - So it's like things like Manson where you have this, you have a symbolic scapegoat where like Manson was synonymous with like the hippie movement. - Right. - This is the way that you then go. We've got to stop this guy. - Exactly. - Look at this one. - Look at this one. - And Tomson writes it down and it becomes legend. - Right. - Right. - That was, oh, they're those hippies. So that's the guy closing the book on that little op. Right there. And if you read the Franklin scandal, I was like, nah, he wasn't there. Then I'm like, wait a minute. - His death's a bit suspicious, isn't it? Hunter us. - Pretty sure he was shot with a pistol. - His life is more to suppress pistols. - Look into his life, it's worse. - Yeah. - Yeah. - You know, all the crazy talk about a dreamer chrome. I know, where did I hear that? I heard that in Fear and Loving War. - Fear and Loving in Las Vegas. - I wanted to find a dreamer chrome. - He read about a dreamer. - Well, have you seen Fear and Loving the film? So in that, there's a scene where they take a dreamer chrome. He's like, I got it from the Satanist. You can only get it from a pineal gland, like a real pineal gland. - Oh. - Like they'd give the whole spiel about a dreamer chrome. - You thought it was a hallucinate. See, they made it look like it's like a hallucinogenic. - A hallucinogenic or like, yeah. - Yeah. Now when they talk about it, have you noticed this they talk about like it's an arcautic like a cocaine right now Here's a weird fact. I don't know how it fits in maybe you heard some The stuff for an epi pen when you have allergy adrenaline right that's adrenaline and if you let that go bad It turns into a dream of chrome. Oh, but it looks like red powder So why can't you just use that if it's a drug? I mean like I don't know I definitely think there's something to a dream-wise blood like you know this whole idea that you know You get someone into a perpetual state of fear They've got all this adrenaline running through them like that blood's gonna be rich in adrenaline whatever that really does to someone's mind if they Just drink here. I don't know but like you know They definitely don't want us to think that there's anything like actionable or real What's in an intro like they try to somebody a disembodied thing Feeding on your they say stuff to provoke you right to feed yeah on your negative emotions That's story sounds familiar. Yeah, it can't say it's like a fractal path So the drapes. We're gonna logically create. There's like a different Absolutely, man. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and I think happens in different levels and layers of society in different ways You know it's not so because I found your show in there. Yeah, I learned. Yeah, no, I don't know That's true that that stuff's dope like the fact that you can make Connections that you can never make before we're gonna make more progress and all this stuff but but it also Sometimes I'm like I just got to get this out of my brain like this The people you sometimes get focused on because there and then some percent people attack you for no very overwhelming And the issue with that is that this is a very eco-tistical space Like you know a lot of competition between people and like you know, like influencers and content creators and whatever Whatever and like that's something that I found very tiring is just like dealing with the egos in this field Well, it's so ironic right because like you people say I've got a massive ego. Maybe I do But well UFOs should like you should be like this sacred thing Yeah, and instead you have all this like jockeying around like, you know I want to be the disclosure person for this And it's a cottage industry that has a lot of money to be made like you know people don't think there's any money in UFOs Like have you been to some of these conferences where they've gone the whole place hide out and it's like there's money there Dude that's how they cover my Yeah, anything and then all the CIA people are at these conferences Yeah, they are embedded within the crowd talking to people. I was never offered money. Okay. I don't want to say these things I'm saying, but they won't pay me. Yeah, I'll say them still waiting. I haven't even thought to do that Yeah, it's not once root. Yeah, because my cape is as nice as some people's capes Yeah, am I on staff? Yeah, maybe I got a party city for I came here, but don't show that I have that sort of knowledge Yeah, maybe my Colt leader sunglasses arm. I got him at the 7-Eleven before it came me when I got my clothes. Well, I don't you know I don't know what I'm talking about. I offered way too much more money than I can afford to be honest to have Kirkpatrick come on my show And then my buddy doubled it. Yeah, no, I said 100 and I don't think he's gonna come But I think it's a revealed preference that he's being paid off Kirkpatrick Sean Kirkpatrick, you know this guy is he's not meta bad enough for you because you want only pro disclosure people to be bad But they're he's a liar. I definitely get right I definitely get frustrated with like the pro disclosure activists who are kind of like anyone who's coming out from the government Who isn't Louis Luzondo is wrong about what they're saying? And it's like yeah, okay, but like again I would say that someone like Lou for example, but on the facts Kirkpatrick got so much wrong in that right. Oh no absolutely I'm not just not disparaging. I like you know Sean is is a shady character shady, but so is Lou So is the guy that drops fake UFO photos on stage and in congressional settings and they get debunked in 24 hours He was wrong way before that so much as but I know bro. I've been following it for a long time. Okay So Sajibankoan who I by the way has a mutation is either he can read tiny writing then no one can see He's got a cool Wild You don't improv he writes the lines. Holy shit word for word. Yeah, when he would go in character It was he was going character, so we did this billionaire character Gio Mm-hmm, and he's talking to yacht salesman about putting girls in a boat and Now I want to tell you all these pranks. It's all these rich kids that are funny kids and they burn family connections to do pranks Okay, there's a 2017. I'm doing this hysterical shit, dude. We have these people We had Dick Cheney on he asked him to sign his waterboard, and you know, yeah, and that was hilarious good my waterboard kit He gets all these time my water, but my favorite was so always isn't the this is America is America Oh, my god. That was so my Yeah, so I every time I go no one is gonna fall for this. This is too right, right? Okay, I was wrong I was not right one right, dude. They did these fake charities I wrote about like skinny shaming the kids of Sudan and say my body my joy like we had some rockers They'll say anything because the cameras on them. It was unbelievable, but the Gio one That's what I talked to why it seemed because his story of meeting Epstein. Yeah, it sounded dude It sounded like what we did on the show like was Epstein doing a prank show And then I realized oh we were doing what an it fell off, right? She does, but here's the thing Right, yeah, I had some ones I think of funny, and I thought they were so stupid who would fall for this but in Georgia Eran Marad to the Israeli oh my god Oh my god, and when he was getting the guy to have like the little teddy bear guns for kids and stuff Oh, yeah, they do have a phone. I think the way they built a mosque. So in case they'd act so funny Yeah, he's like you build your your cubicle into a mosque so they can't attack you The guy's wearing a a turban and genie shoes holy shit, and he's like has a flute and a strawberry. I mean come on And so I was like what are you? What are you doing? I'm a mother. What are you eating hummus? Okay, and in the office Gamma, then I had the pork shield in the Work your gay like to chase the shooter out. Yeah, and they and they actually do it. That's the thing that's crazy about it These people who like sent it was on never actually on the show. Yeah doing it doing it Right, so what do I do? I moved to wasn't with my ass like I can say America America See what the thing is from what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, people are fucking actors The guy from the Federal Reserve. Why do we have to borrow money that we print right? What the yo who's running this with you worse any UFOs for it? What the fuck none of you know how anything works I feel like I shouldn't have better intel than the president of the United States I don't think it's because I'm a super spy. I think because there's a big problem at the top I kind of go Subject in terms of like do they even know what's going on like we barely they barely even know what's going on in the Federal Reserve The reading also going on with like you know it'll read aliens and like any of this stuff like it man makes it right for counter intel because of that Yeah, because it's it's this it's both real and it's a femoral and so it's so co-opable. Yeah, it's a Rorschach Yeah, you can say it's that you sure. Yeah, you can say it's like all these things Yeah, I know it shouldn't yeah, thank you. You know he was a bad. Well, if this is just a show dinger At a journal of the 12-year-old girls he would court. He said no, oh, dude shurnger. Yeah. Oh now you look into oh and about the physicist I beg you met him and we invited Rogan Epstein Island. These people you'd be wait. I do invited Rogan Epstein No, no really Lawrence Kraus really really no really. He's got a record Lawrence Kraus is on Epstein Island But did he invite you invited Joe Rogan? Oh, yeah, I won't say no more in that. I mean a lot of people got invited People got invited Stephen Hawking was out there as well. Oh, well, people go on discipline. Yeah Stephen Hawking was there. He's the victim stupid Obviously, obviously, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think again, it's like you know like something like that Something like that, though. It could be the fact that you know like hey There's this individual called Jeffrey Epstein. He's very interested in science He's funded a lot of stuff. Would you be willing to come to his private island? He'd love to like host you and it's like cool I'll go do that then you leave you had no idea that it was island of rapists A hundred percent and their arbitraging stagnation in academia. Yeah, we're like nothing vital or interesting is happening right right right So you pay them off you have prestige and you have you even you have probably of age girls and some of these guys are single I mean for God's sakes you have one paraplegic Right or whatever and it's like they don't know, you know and or certain cases they probably did but yeah, others they did it's a mixed bag It's a mixed bag. Yeah, I mean Bobby Slayton went to his house. You know, I know Bobby Slayton didn't do some Rich guy in your comic. Yeah, well, let's hang out go to this thing you get creeped out and they're watching how do you respond to this? Eric Weinstein explained it. Yeah, not the American flag coughing table to see if he'd spill his drink on it. Yeah Well, the Weinstein thing's crazy because he was like it was almost like Epstein knew about his theory Of course he didn't write but like right as he produced it. It was like Epstein was tracking right right right right. Oh, you produced it boom come up like you know come bit too fast Yeah High-frequency trader for like theories of everything and interesting science and shit. Oh, that's interesting We just it is like high because it's like the yeah, that's a good way to put it. Yeah, it's rigged You could bet in the market for it's high-frequency trading so you'll never get access to it before certain people right right That's how we have this secrecy. Well, I was kind of wondering so this is getting into really weird territory But it's like I wonder if he was a flytrap for like deeper like exotic propulsion science Yeah, I wonder about that. I wonder about that. He was obsessed with the cat's effect. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the cat's me effect being like, you know, this sort of dark energy shown between two Char or non-charge but conductive plates that seem to attract Mm-hmm, you know that like get goes. This is a real force. Yeah, yeah, he's like how could we harness this ostensibly for propulsion? Like I mean, this is like not really like necessarily evidence But I think he's interesting. There was that woman a comment which one it was who was a victim who did like the murals and the paintings And there's a mural called like the centiles, which is like the elite spellback roads, and it's like this big mural of all the different people that were associated, Les Wex, you can see all the characters, Galein Maxwell's depicted as a dragon, biting a child in half, it's all very nasty stuff. And then there's also an antenna going up with an FBI flag on it with a flying saucer hanging off the top of it with Epstein's face inside the window. So it's like, okay. So like who knew, and what was he actually trying to achieve in terms of his own scientific ideas and explorations? And obviously, like I said, he was funding all of these different movements. He knew everyone on the Nobel Peace Prize board. Yeah. Everyone answered for you, brother, because without the fog, the Daniel on this, here's what, uh, what's his name, the wheelchair robot man, Stephen, Stephen, he was, uh, those ruins that came out in National Geographic of possible Atlantis, and then they never talked about it again. Right. And the pictures were on like you see with it, what underwater or he went in the submarine to go look at that. Member Galein, he was here about ocean, the Terramar, the Terramar project, like she had a whole thing going on there, which is interesting. He's the controller, not Epstein. Do you know about Terramar? He's the hand now. It's like they're kind of like overseas and like Atlantic Ocean trading network. They were trying to establish with people like, um, who's the guy behind virgin, uh, grandson and like he hosted them all on his island for the Terramar project. Like basically, these elites setting up some sort of like, I don't even know how to say it. Like they kind of considered that their own country because when she was being interviewed, um, she was asked if she's a, if she's a citizen of any other country and she said Terramar. I say, okay, so what is Terramar? She did. She said it was her other citizenship. Yeah. And it's like this elite network of trading routes, trading routes and shipping can take. Yes. Going around places like near Antarctica, off the grid. Right. It was being held by all these fucking huge elites. So there's something about the Terramar project, man. Like, dude, I forgot. That went under the radar. Like, yeah, dude, I forgot that. I didn't even know while I sometimes wonder if on that note, this is a crazy speculative, but like, you know, William Stevenson is maybe by face name. He was, um, Churchill supress by, but he helped start the CIA with wild build on event, you know, OSS. And he was really close with a lot of like US based scientists, like Charles Steinmetz and Thomas Townsend Brown. They're close confidants. And he was doing a lot of stuff in and around the Caribbean, the Bahamas, the Virgin Islands. Uh-huh. And he ended up spending the rest of his career in the Caribbean doing, like, shady trade stuff. And I wonder if there's a connection between, like, I feel like he and Robert Maxwell had to have known each other through MI6 certain things. Right. So I don't know. I mean, this is getting crazy. It is interesting. I don't know if he said anything, but so the people he worked for. Yeah. So you know, people go, Elon Musk, the richest man in the world, but he's not the richest man in the world. You, what do you think they would put that in for? Right. Richest man disclosed. They're telling that to you publicly. Yeah. Yeah. I go back and forth on that. I don't know. Do you get sure? I mean, I'm not sure of anything. I'm not eating. I'm not eating it. I'll better. I better agree that, like, maybe it's like, bucks. I mean, you know, that's zero dollars. Old money people that have got like holdings in other countries and like vaults of treasure and things like that. People think, you know, poor people think people are rich and, yeah, you're rich kid and they, they have no concept of what it, what it's like at certain levels to not understand. The rich kids don't think they're rich. I'm not rich. That guy is right. You know, you're always having you. Yeah. Yeah. And, and I live in New York. I did call me so I could just go to all the things and get a perspective on what shit is, right? And that's the compartmentalization. And that's how it's supposed to be. And all the, so are there hybrid kids? Yeah. When they say bloodlines, it sounds spooky. Why do we keep track of royalty at all still? Does anybody wonder that? Why do I give a shit about Megan and Harry and the prince? British people I know don't even care about it. I guess they're a human flag. Most of the younger generation fucking hate the royals. Of course. All populous things got to be crushed. Right. So how do you crush them with nonsense distractions? Uh, uh, it's, I mean, it's endless, dude. Well, I mean, we got woke after I'll compare Wall Street. Remember that woke up and after that? And that is a way of controlling populism because, you know, what do we see these days? When there's a populist front, it's just immediately a right wing far right racist movement. And that's the way to we just regard it. And we get rid of it. And it's like a lot of these populist movements are just popping up because of the fact that it's a direct reaction to institutional power and control and censorship. And they turn it around and they switch it to make it seem like you don't want to be supporting those, you realize these are Nazis or racists. It's like, yeah, you're crazy. You know, right, right, right, right. Yeah. Exactly. I can't deal with the hypocrisy of the good ones. Can't deal with that hypocrisy, right? Like, let's also do as of battalion. But, you know, don't worry about this, these people who are just trying to create some freedom in their own country. Like, you know, it's crazy. But, um, we talk about them, we talk about the pyramids. We don't even go to. I know. I know. I was. Oh, sorry. We got to talk for a second. I got to piss anyway. So, all right. So do I. But I'll let you go. You go. Come back. Maybe come back. Maybe come back. Maybe come back. We've had Alex Jones on the show. And you are 10x crazier than Alex Jones. And I love why the cage bird sings now. I used to judge Alex Jones. But I know why he's like that. He's a cage bird. Here, wait, hold the staff. I'm going. It's wonderful. Okay. We got this. Yes. I love him. Oh, he's fantastic. He's great. He's great. He's awesome. It's kind of like if you brought me in and we were like, right, let's get some, like, dude, from the underpass on as well. Yeah, yeah. Trust in his cave. Like, let me tell you about the secrets of the Illuminati. Not cook. Or if we were both on a mega dose of LSD. It's what it feels like. It feels like I'm rolling on something pretty strong right now. Now that was really good, dude. Like the pyramids, though, we should talk about that. We should get into what the fuck is going on? What's under the pyramids? What's happening? I mean, you're in touch with the research team that found this through synthetic aperture radar, Doppler tomography, these structures and the reconstructing the structures is any of this real. Yeah. I mean, like, my opinion on it is at this point, there's 100% things underneath the geyser plateau and the pyramids, whether or not we can completely correlate that to the very interesting 3D models that they've created. I think that's more of, you know, kind of an inspired artistic recreation. But at this point, I would say it's undeniable that they are finding significant subterranean signatures below the geyser plateau. And like, there's been so many assumptions, like, even as she driving here on the way, I got into a talk with my Uber driver and I was like, you heard about the pyramids cans. He was like, yeah, yeah. But like, none of it's been like done before and none of it's been peer reviewed, right? And I was like, no, that's not right. So in 2022, they actually did a geyser, the great pyramid of geyser scans and they found hidden chambers beneath the great pyramid, which they then were peer reviewed and accepted and fully just like a validated thing. Now granted, they weren't saying that there were huge structures underneath, but that's because they were tuning the technology to specifically look at a localized area of the pyramid. And that's when they found these hidden chambers at that time, 2022. But they've also done experiments in Italy at the Gran Saiso laboratory, which is 1.4 kilometers inside a mountain and they mapped it out. They mapped it out. They managed to find the centrifuge and like the areas that they were focusing on and they've produced tomography scans showing the subterranean infrastructure of the Gran Saiso laboratory. And they've also done the Mosul Dam in Iraq and they use it for structural integrity for bridges. Professor Filippo Biondi, who's the synthetic aperture radar expert on the team, works for the Italian government, serious guy, real fun, like such a nice dude. And I've had like the pleasure of because I put out that video, which is only like eight minutes long, just kind of saying, hey guys, there's this team and they've doing this. Kind of blew up Joe Rogan played it. So I got connected to the team quite quickly because I saw my viral video on it. And yeah, I was at a molter with them a few days ago actually before the Carolina conference. And for their first international conference, where Filippo Biondi was presenting in a lot more detail, the scans, the science behind it. Grant, it's some people struggle with the dialect. I think in the UK, it's a little easier for us because we're used to European dialects like Italian and French and German. And the Americans seem to struggle a bit more because they have got quite a thick accent and they are trying their best, but they're speaking English, which isn't their first language. But it's very interesting because what they're doing is they're not scanning two kilometers into the earth, five kilometers into the earth. They're not penetrating using radar in that way because that's impossible. That's what a lot of the mainstream critiques we're doing, including some people that I just think, why did you not do your homework? Like flint dibble like this archaeologist in this world, right? Like he's just like, they've never tested it. It's never been done. It's like wrong, wrong, wrong. Like they have, if you actually just spent 10 minutes trying to find it instead of having a knee jerk reaction because it's going against your model. And that seems to be such the case with mainstream archaeology, mainstream history and science is if it goes against the model, there's a knee jerk reaction and they didn't actually do the homework. So like, yeah, like what we have detected other underground things using Sardopoulos. Using Sardopoulosmography. This is the thing that we can do. It's, well, it's a thing, but this is certainly a thing within a niche community. And beyond a flippo, beyond a seems to be the one that's really specialized in that. So it's not like a general accepted mode. It's like a novel sense of fusion, but I even, it's funny. I even watched Sabina Haas and Felder's like video on this. She's a, you know, kind of a mainstream physicist. Yeah, critical of string theory and stuff. Like pretty conventional and like well regarded. And she was like, you can, you know, map magma chambers in Volcanoes using Sardopoulosmography. And then she, like you said, said that they took liberties obviously on the reconstruction. You know, this sort of energy grid that it seems to be mapped out. That might be a bit of a stretch. I don't know. But I think it's interesting that it doesn't sit in a vacuum because you've got historical reference to labyrinthian passageways beneath the plateau and entranceways into the halls of records. Like there are, there are all all going all the way back to ancient Greece and further of statements from people who went to Egypt and wrote about being taken into these corridors. And then early 1800s explorers who said the same kind of a thing. And like I was saying to you before, even Zahiawaz before about 1993 was saying the same thing. So there is definitely a pattern to be connected in relation to subterranean infrastructure. And we find that across Egypt anyway regardless of the plateau, like there's a lot of different places at a subterranean and seem to be of a different stonework of a different kind of method to what we then see of dynastic Egyptian temples. Same with the pyramids as well actually, because one of the biggest signifiers of that is the fact that there's absolutely zero hieroglyphs in the pyramids. There's not one other than the cartouche that's written in red ochre that we attribute to kufu, which by the way, if you look into the images of that red ochre cartouche that's been drawn on and compare it to some other red ochre marks that were found inside the pyramid, it's so obvious this is basically just drawn on with lipstick. It's fresh. It's got like flaking from the ochre on it, but the older stuff, it's like the ochre's gone. It's just ionized onto the rock. So it's like a shadow imprint of this very light red ochre. This stuff is like literally like someone got lipstick. And that's the only thing that we attribute to kufu for the great pyramid. This is like this 1800s explorer. I forgot his name like Voss or Vass something. And he was hired by the British Museum. He was running out of funding. He was running out of time. Low and behold, he suddenly finds the signatures of kufu written in very suspicious ochre. So other than that, there's no hieroglyphs in the pyramids. Not bins like the valley of the kings and the valley of the queens where they've got these tombs and they've got these entranceways. And it is literally you can't even find a square inch, which isn't covered in motifs and symbols and gold calligraphy. Go into the pyramids and it's just blank. There's literally nothing inside the pyramids other than precision engineering and the studies of acoustic signatures in the king's chamber, which show that it was acoustically engineered. And then like, you know, do you think there's some sort of because you you've covered this in other contexts too in multiple other places. Do you think there's some sort of ancient acoustic based technology? Yeah. This is one of the things that interests me the most. And like we call it archaeoacoustics. And there's also a term psychoacoustic architecture. The idea that some of this architecture is deliberately designed to produce harmonics that then influence the brain. And one second, my brother, let me just get off this tangent. And then so they are really interesting, uninterrupted, a really interesting element of like the acoustics you just mentioned, Malta. Yes. So I got back from Malta recently. There's a there's a temple in Malta, this subterranean temple carved directly out of the limestone. They dated back to the Neolithic stone age period. That's just because they can't date it back any further with conventional narratives, right? Yeah. And this place is precision tuned to 111 Hertz, like they've done enough studies in there to show that this place called the Oracle room. Yeah. Resonates at 111 Hertz. It's this like incredible overlapping architecture, like these kind of like multiple layers of like concaves and entranceways. And inside the Malte's subterranean chamber of the hypogeum, they actually found elongated skulls, one of them's on display in the Valetta Museum. Wow. And the interesting thing about these skulls in particular, unlike some of the ones in like Peru where you've got evidence of head binding, is that this skull actually lacks the sagittal suture, which is the vertical crack that goes all the way down the head. When the two pretial bones are pushed together, when we go through the birth canal and fuses the skull together. Yeah. So we have one going across here and then one going all the way down a skull. That one doesn't have it. Doesn't have it. So that's like an, and it's it's an adult skull. It's not an infant skull. So this thing was walking, talking and acting around without a critical component of our bone structure. What do you make of that? Well, I mean, like there's one in Valetta, but the story goes and it's even written in the museum and you hear from the Malte's locals that they found fucking hundreds of these skulls, hundreds of these skulls. Then the guy who finds it mysteriously dies, someone from like some Smithsonian Institute takes over all those skulls vanish away. What does that person look like in their time? Exactly. Like, you know, we don't know. Like, you know, there's there's recreations of it that kind of look like an alien gray. Like, you know, it's like they don't really know how it looked, but it's elongated enough to be significantly different to a human being. And then like the Malte's legends in that area are that there were giants once on these islands and that they helped build these temples. Because what's crazy about Malta other than the fact that it's the, it's got the largest concentration of megalithic stone building sites in the world. Like, they're like so many there. But when the Bronze Age settlers from Italy and Sicily went over to Malta for the first time, they were already there. No people, just temples everywhere. And so we don't know who were the original builders of these temples. But it goes back to your question about acoustics. Like, there's so much acoustic knowledge that seems to be incorporated into megalithic, neolithic stone age stone building cultures. And that is not something that you can just arrive at naturally. We're not talking about like the creation of a flute. We're talking about multi-ton geometric alignment, not just with solstice and equinox and all that incredible stuff, but also acoustically resonant in a way that when chanting or any sort of like mantra is performed in these sites seems to excite the brain in certain ways, bringing it into alpha state, bringing it into meditative states. Is that true? Absolutely. Absolutely. And how do we, how do we test it? So we've tested like things like Stonehenge and again, the Hypergeum for the acoustic wavelength that's propagated naturally through it when we chant, when we harm, when we drum, and 111 hertz is what they find in the Hypergeum. There's like quite a few studies actually done on this where they've concluded, and then what they're doing like, and then so like you look at Binaural tones and the Monroe Institute of Applied Sciences and the stuff that we're a fledgling level. This is what's so impressive as a way, we seem to be at a very fledgling level of understanding the acoustic effects on the brain. And these people seem to have been fucking masters of it. But we'll like play like an instrument now. And then what we'll do some like EEG scan of the brain or something while we're doing that in this Hypergeum structure. They've done a series of acoustic tests, not only just to test a bandwidth of it, which comes out 111 hertz, but then like actually scanning the brains and seeing how people react inside these kind of a chain. But also like, you know, you put some headphones on and listen to your favorite music, you can laugh, you can cry, you can want to work out, want to fight someone like it changes your emotions. So we know that acoustics has a profound impact on our perception, our emotions. And yeah, the fact that some of these places seem to have been tuned to hertz ranges that excite the brain and change the brain wave state into theta and alpha. I would say that there is an ancient science of like conscious induction, like consciously acoustically induced, sorry, conscious expansion. And then you see these elongated heads, you start wondering, you know, see the elongated heads, you see astronomical alignment with a lot of this megalithic architecture that seems just very odd if not intentional, like it probably was intentional. Once you get a pattern around the world of different sites, they have the same kind of attuning, like new range in Ireland, Malta, the pyramids of Giza, like all of them have, I mean, the pyramids are an incredible example. It's a perfect scale. I can't actually remember what the scale is, but a lot of these places, like there'll be an error of margin of like the actual kind of hertz range. The pyramids are perfectly scaled as you kind of rise up through the grand gallery into the King's Chamber, the acoustic, the acoustics that have been picked up are like the perfect number. It's like no margin of error. So it's like this incredibly tuned building. So fascinating. And it's funny when you hear Randall Carlson or Graham Hancock, or you know, I was hanging out of him. I love how cool it is. He's like Hagrid or something. Yeah, he is. He's like a personal alternate of history Hagrid. He's awesome. And like he'll say stuff, you know, about like possible, you know, ancient acoustic technology, you laugh it off. And then you realize that they're, you've talked about this as a field called simatics, where you put sand on vibrational plates. You know that there's a real effect there. We know that electromagnetic fields affect the body via, you know, cellular communication occurs via, you know, voltage gated ion channels, which get affected by local EMF. So I was doing an interview of a guy called David Elkinson recently, who's like a, but he would call himself a recovering academic because he came from that world and is now seeing things in a different set of eyes. And he's really interested in the acoustics of the ancients. And I'm going to have some images of this in my podcast because he actually did some experiments alongside some other scientists in the King's Chamber where they stretched a membrane over the sarcophagus of the King's Chamber like a cladney plate, like a semantic plate. And they put Egyptian sand on the plate. And they sent vibrational frequencies that match the frequency of the King's Chamber through it. And it turned into the eye of Horace. Yeah. And I've seen photos of it where it literally is pretty much on point with the eye of Horace, which would suggest what, that the King's Chamber was tuned to an acoustic that the simatic of which is a representation of part of their own language. What does that say? The level of sophistication well beyond. I mean, you see like, you know, go to Chichen Itza and you like, we'll clap and hear this bizarre noise, or like, you know, during the equinox, you know, you get a snake running down the steps. And it's like, we to barely do that stuff. And what does Tesla say about frequency and vibration that this is the key? Totally. This is the key to the universe to understanding it. And I think that there's a real truth to that. And whatever these people in the prehistoric time we're doing, they seem to have a very advanced knowledge of how to attain transcendental states through acoustics. And like you said, with the simatics and the geometry, it is fascinating that when you vibrate these sands on these plates and you get these geometries that are essentially the visual signature of the sound you're hearing, you will then find them in pretty much every religion monotheistic or otherwise represented in the geometry of the cathedrals, in the paintings, in the motifs. Once you understand and look at and recognize simatic geometry and what it is, you go into these places is with new eyes, man, you're staring around and you're just like, well, there we go, there's a clear pattern that is a harmonic signature and it's written on the wall. And so it would seem, and also what's one of the most prominent things inside of churches, it's not actually the crucifix, it's the pipe organ. The pipe organ is the most prominent thing. I think that these places were deliberately designed and like the Gothic cathedrals are a fantastic example of potentially reaching an apex point with this. You know, this lineage of acoustic knowledge that seems to stretch all the way back into prehistory is premasence would say like the brothers of the serpent from Egypt or there's some like connection there. They had their hand in building the Gothic samples. Building the Gothic temples, yeah. And these things are not just geometrically incredible when you look at them, but they are also acoustically profound. And like, you know, meant to be these spaces for induction into the mystery's via sound. Speaking of acoustics, you've talked to Stuart Hamerov, the enthusiologist who's also fascinating guy worked with Roger Penrose, Nobel Prize-winning physicist who dares to broach the question in physics, how do we see kind of macroscopic reality when it's sort of supposed to be quantum and probabilistic. And I think they present a very bold theory that might be right. I don't know. But it deals with this sort of, I think maybe the most underrated part of it is that there could be some geometric component because they're pyramidal structures in the tubulin and the microtubules, right? And that those maintain coherence. Yep. As above so below. Right. I wonder maybe if like you're in one of these sort of mega structure. Does that somehow affect, does it, does it, if these things are maintaining coherence for a certain amount of time while space time superposition is building up to the one graviton limit? Does that increase the amount of time so that you're staying in a coherent state? And then your perception presumably would be very altered. I think that might play a role. And this is, again, it's such an interesting thing when you look at the bleeding edge of mainstream physics and quantum theory. And they're only just getting to a point that seems to have been represented in the ancient past. Now I'm not going to say that they were quantum physicists, but they might have got it from intuitive processes or maybe older knowledge. But it's clearly represented in things like the pyramids and the hypergium, this kind of acoustic technology. And then, like you say, when we get into what that really does on the quantum level, on the level of microtubules and neurons, it changes us. It changes our perception. And maybe like you say, this is an elongation of the process, kind of like drawing the process out even longer through sitting in these acoustic resonance complexes. But the pyramids are a weird one because there's a lot of different ideas and theories about what they could have been. And multiple make sense. So it's almost like we're looking at a multivariate technology. It's quite a few different things. The really interesting guy that I bumped into in Malta and I'm going to actually go out meet him in Cairo when I go out there next month because he lives out in Cairo with his girlfriend. He's American, but he's lived out there for a while. He's named Jeffrey. I can't remember a second name, but he's got a YouTube channel called The Land of Chem. You know, I've heard of it. No, I've never heard of it. Have you heard of it? Yeah, yeah. It's really interesting. His theory on how these were essentially giant chemical plants. And because Egypt was a rigid called chemit. And that's when we get chemistry from an alchemy. Yeah, like the build up from that comes to alchemy and chemistry and like, you know, Hermes, Trismagistus and all these like, you know, alchemical type of mines. And it's really interesting when you kind of understand that these things were situated around a water bed at one point. The Nile River was right next to them. And then if we invoke these strange spiraling structures that they seem to have found, it could almost be drawing water up and producing an oasis. These things might have actually been agricultural nodes that promoted fertility in the local area. And it's really interesting. I mean, his idea about it, because it even extends to like the dolmens and the hinges that we find all over the world. They're all made out of like, piezoelectric materials, rose quartz, like all its concentration. And what his theory was, and I'll murder it because I don't know it properly, but it is really interesting, was that these are conduits for lightning. And the lightning would excite the piezoelectric materials. And this would in turn cause nature, nature on a thing is called to be infused into the ground, which promotes fertility in growth. Right, right. It's like, it's like a terraforming technology. Like a type one civilization of a different order using holistic technology from the earth, right? It's so trippy, but that would so explain. I mean, I don't know, but it's like the wise quartz being taken from the Aswan River Valley 500 miles away. Yeah, in the form of 50 to 70 ton blocks, right? It's just insane. And one of the things I brought up in my presentation, which is not necessarily about that kind of technology or lightning strikes or anything, but just about multi-tonstone lifting. There's a place in Lebanon called Baalbeck, interesting place named after Baal, the storm lord. Baal, you know, this like, and it's the Baalbeck lord of the Becker Valley, which funnily enough, if you read the book of Enoch, the Watchers, right, the weird beings came down Mount Vernon in Lebanon. So this is like this weird ground zero point for the ancient stories of these fucking wherever these beings were, right? But Baalbeck in Lebanon is a quarry site where you've got three megalithic blocks that weigh one of them's like 1,200 tons and then it goes up to 1,800 tons, absolutely insane megalithic blocks made of limestone. They never left the quarry, but 500 meters of the road give or take you've got this place called the Temple of Jupiter, which we attribute to 1st century Romans. A lot of the temple was built by 1st century Romans, it's obvious. But the foundations and some of the upper tiers of the foundations, right? There's a series of stones called the Trillethan stones, which are raised about 30 feet above the foundation blocks and placed with precision. They weigh conservative range, 800 tons each, coming up to about 1000 tons. The Romans bragged about their heaviest lift, which is the Lateran obelisk, which sits in Rome, taken from Alexandria to Rome, weighs about 350 to 400 tons. So even conservative estimate, these Baalbeck stones are double the weight of what the Romans claim to be their heaviest lift. They never spoke about Baalbeck, they never spoke about lifting these stones. But mainstream archaeologists will attribute it to the 1st century Romans because they found the foundation and they built their Roman temple above it. So they look at it, go Roman temple, it's all Roman. What about those 800 tons stones that were impossible for them to lift with wooden pulleys? No, Roman, shut up. 800. And that's conservative, they could be up to 1k. And to give you some perspective on that, you'd need one of the biggest cranes in the world, fingers called the Lieber 170,000 or something, to actually lift that with precision and place it. And we believe that they did it with wooden pulleys and ropes. It's ridiculous and crazy. So there are so many places around the world where it seems ancient foundations, Peru as well. Peru is like smoking guns of ancient history and contrasting between what we attribute to the Inca and what is so clearly megalithic multi-time precision from a time long before that. Totally. And even they will say that like the indigenous oral traditions of the Peruvian shamans will say that they found sacksable, oil and tambour, the Nazca line. There are no roads leading up the line. No sir. So you'd be like excavating all this earth, but you know, how or for what? And then from the highest vantage point locally, the lines don't make any sense. You have to be at least like, I think, 150 meters. Totally an aerial. And an aerial, yeah, it's for it to make any sort of comprehension subsents. It makes no, it literally like doesn't make sense unless you're from a real perspective. So it's, I was going to ask you actually on the Malta thing if you have these sort of beings with the elongated, it's called, I was just down in Peru. And it was there for two days. Oh, don't be jealous. Not at all. Don't be jealous because it was, I was in and out. I got sick. Oh, yeah. But I saw there are these, there's three finger three toe beings, the tridactyl beings or whatever. And they will apparently, according to these forensic experts, don't appear to have undergone the sort of traditional head binding rituals that you'd expect. Right. And some of them apparently have like metal inside them. They have volume, osmium and cadmium inside of them, which are rear earth metals that were found in the 18th and 19th century. So super strange. You know, it's weird about that as well. It's kind of feel like there was an intelligence siop done on that very early on because Jaime Mousan showing those kind of ones that were absolutely fake. Like the ones were literally just like bone and plasticity. I'm not even a I don't know. Oh, yeah. No, there was one that was like proven. But that's not how that was flabio strad. Oh my, I apologize. Jaime Mousan for tripping that to you. Well, because, well, this is, it is important because Jaime's gotten so much flack. And I'm sure he has gotten behind BS, you know, hopefully in the past. But I spent some time with the guy and like, he's just a cool, he's like, he's, he's, he's, he looks at the fact pattern. And he's, he's, he's extremely open about scientists coming down like taking a, he spent a ton of his own money to like protect this stuff. And he's very like boldly stated in a way where like he gets stuff wrong. But he's like, it's real, you know, like that's it. But I, he, I got no like, no, but what I, what I, what I meant by that is like early on before the tridactyls, before these very impressive large ones were really discovered, there was that little one. So that's so in 2023. So Jaime rolled out the J type, which is not my highest conviction body type for being real. There's an M type. Those are like the more hominid ones. The J types look more like the kind of close encounters of the third kind thing, but they also look reptilian. The bodies look a little, they look fake. And so I wouldn't have rolled out one of those. I wouldn't look fake. These ones, the M types don't look fake at all. And so he rolled that out. But what you might be referencing is then at the airport, there's this guy named Manuel Caceris, who's a local journalist who made merchandise as a knockoff of that. That might be where I'm getting my wires - And everybody got their wires cut. - Yeah. - 'Cause then Reuters. pick that up and this guy Flavio is strata this official archaeologist from the Ministry of Culture that's similar to how he was man It's the same shit. They were like this is fake because of this like wood glued, you know these things stuck together Which are obviously obviously and I interview this guy and he's like this was art This was not the real thing and he's like yelling and stuff. I repeat that one is fake. It's craftsmanship Constructed built so what I find interesting is when you were describing your maltees the That sounded so similar to honestly what I saw. I was like that. Maybe there were some beings I mean, I don't discount him and I really don't because there's so many references in different cultures and countries to you know The times of giants and it's like right. I love that in Genesis like not that I've really read the Bible But I love that in Genesis where it's just like there were giants in those times and in the times before that great mighty men of Renowned yep anyway moving on Yeah, it's like oh, I want to know a bit a bit more about the giants, please Yeah, they don't really tell you much about it. I think that there's a level of truth to at least some sort of interface with something that if not giant in stature giant in intellect right that we I mean you go down to like the Dendara temples in Egypt We've got the light bulb you know the kind of the classic light bulb. Oh, it's it's incredible Like you know, it's people call it a light bulb or a crooks tube because it's like this big Lantian style like Pharaoh and the only reason you can say he's a big Pharaoh is because you've got depictions of very little people below like kind of Praying and like in reverence of him and he's holding you know this right here. He's holding this giant Kind of like bold out you must it's such a fame But it's like this big light bulb almost with the snake running through it And there's even like a cord that's coming back through it and then running along the wall into like a box That's just like etched into it right. It's a very interesting iconography of and it's not repeated around Egypt This is just in this subterranean element of the Dendara temple. I've got furchs. I can send it to you Oh, yeah, or whatever yeah, like that But you know this this whole idea of like intellectual giants You know like people who were just so superior to us You know you think of like go becky tepe in Turkey where we attributed that area to just hunter-gatherers Then lo and behold this you know incredible ancient the oldest Megalithic temple site pops up out of the ground and the mainstream will just say oh, I guess the hunter-gatherers did that Yeah, well that makes absolutely no fucking sense because they we did they get out of their deer hide tents one day and just start a Recting multi-tunestone with astronomy a like a sundial. It's like a sundial and it was purposely buried Pensionly buried so I I get the sense that maybe they were like, you know kind of like survivors of that pre-time Like this cataclysm that I think clearly did take place There was pockets of survivors who went and where would you go? You'd go to the hunter-gatherers, right? You'd go to the ones you knew how to live because you're just a fucking idiot. You're an intellectual You've been preaching in Atlantis for all your life. You're not someone who could like you know what iconoclasm is right Right. Right. Yeah exactly. Go becky tepe bee iconoclasm it could be yeah I think it could exactly and but it's interesting how you know this place is buried over and it just makes me wonder about like you know The hunter-gatherers of that era and maybe they were like, you know what we don't want you doing this again Look what you brought down upon this world by inciting the wrath of gods. You tried to be the gods. So they were like, I wouldn't be so they might like light I like fucking murdered these people buried their site. That's so like no, no, no, no, no. We're not doing this again I wonder about that but this idea of like instead of literal giants giants of intellect for sure. I think was the thing Well on the shoulders of giants. Yeah, yeah exactly right. Well, I've exactly I find this this the time We're in so exciting because I was just actually in the context of looking into these Peruvian mummies I was looking up how many like how fast these discoveries are occurring and so I was doing this kind of calculation about like How much older has our civilization just gotten in the last 70 years and like all these Megalithic sites a lot of them are like the last 70 to 100 years that we I mean archeology as a field is only 200 years old Exactly. So it's almost you should we should come up with some a law where it's like the older the field gets your get the Civilization is going to get older right like sophisticated Right right right right not like the Mesopotamia cradle of civilization thing is bullshit. Yes, and then similarly I was looking up hominids and like we have 21 to 30 depending on like how you you know categorize a hominid right overall that I've ever walked the earth guess how many of those have been discovered in the last 10 years. I'll go on Five as your base case and then depending on how again strict you are with peer review and that sort of thing 10 at the highest There's a crazy a lot of them out there still that we haven't managed to categorize so many Yeah, so I look at this thing and Peru and I'm like I feel like you know We I talked about this with Rogan a bunch and I'm Was I you crushed by the way? I crushed it. Thanks man. Well, I almost that's the hot seat of all hot seats needed a great. Oh, I was fucking nervous Yeah, I bet you were I bet you were so I could zone everybody Like when this came up, I almost my self critique is like I was too conservative like I Gun my head man. I think I think we found a new hominid Creature and we're gonna DNA test it very soon. We're gonna do another DNA test So like you found in Peru. Yeah, so it's in Peru and Not because of me, but Jaime and my other friend is making his epic documentary. It's got Michael Missola. Right. Oh, yeah Yeah, this is not a hoax good dude. Yeah, um, he's gonna He's the NA testing it with these like independent aerospace contractors, and they're gonna do some double blind stuff So they're cheating a lot So I love and that's why when people like you know come at Jaime the fact that Jaime is Down to do this in a way that it could totally falsify Mm-hmm, you know everything is fucking awesome and so I'm so pumped for this to just You know, it's I think the definition of a of a grifter is someone who wants to keep something in a liminal space Absolutely, I want it to collapse into true or false and let's let's see I want I want these things to be proven. That's why many I want it to be evidenced You know and I also think it's a BS excuse like there's so many things to cover and there's so many anomalies in the world You're never gonna run out of mysteries to talk about you know what I mean. Yeah, let's try and prove some mysteries Let's let's do that. Yeah, so many. Yeah, it's a backlog. You know what I mean, but you know what you one thing I'd join in here my weird idea about the grays. Yeah, that's you like I don't know if this would explain everything In relation to the grays, but I find it very interesting that there's a lot of Aboriginal stories from around the world that seem to be applicable to the grays And you see some cave art in places like Australia and even the Native Americans where you've got these large eyes These large heads in this depiction of them and there's certain tribes like the Hopi tribe You've got the ant people and like these different stories where they would come up from the ground and they would assist People during times of great trouble and strife and geological trauma and famine and they would they would teach them Right, and then you look at there was a fascinating podcast that went out a few years ago where these two guys got some Amazon Amazonian tribesmen on the show And they were straight up from the Amazon base and they only spoke their own language They needed an interpreter. They were in the headdress. They were fully you know of that culture And they asked him if they had any thoughts on aliens They didn't know what they meant by alien they were like I'm sorry We can explain that better and so they got a magazine out and they're flipping through they found an alien gray And they showed us alien gray and the Amazonian tribe and went that's makanwabu That's makanwabu and then they went into this whole thing about how makanwabu is a human that became an ant And it lives underground and it can appear in the divine light of mishapan or whatever it was Which is their version of the holy light of something right And it's a very dangerous creature and it will take your soul underground And you need a very good shaman to bring your soul back and they were taking it very seriously This other tribe then was going yes yes yes makanwabu you need very careful with that And so my idea about this is that maybe maybe there is a subterranean species that has lived on this planet for a long time And a bit like the mycelial network it went for the subterranean route It didn't get affected by the surface traumas that happened to us Didn't get reset by great fires and floods because they were deep into the ground And if that's true you have all these indigenous stories of they know Beings coming from the underworld and assisting them big eyes translucent grey skin No sunlight large eyes to adapt underground Then you hear like the inner earth stories and also coming out of our oceans right you know these UFOs What if just what if there is another and the mid and the missing subcategories of humans like you just mentioned right And in Peru you got a tunnel so what if just as an idea There was a species that decided to opt in for subterranean living And has essentially been understood since the beginning And they are really really really advanced right and that's what we think of the great. So this fascinating Just an idea right because who knows thrown it out there Well, well yeah, why not and when they are they're very similar to us And that in Kalki which is the local dialect of where these You know in Nazca and Peru where these mummies were found yeah The the local region translates to laboratory for insemination and hybridization What yes Yes in the actual language Yes, and you can see this as a book from 2006 where it shows this or whatever Blame my mind and nuts nuts So a part of me wonders yeah, I mean maybe there is some sort of guided you know like Maybe evolution is a locally functional theory Right a Darwin, but maybe they're you know some art of the sense of that Yeah, I want to think what would happen to us if we opted for underground subterranean dark living You know your eyes your skin is all going to change dramatically And yeah, I just wonder because obviously they seem so hyper advanced Whoever the grays are you know either being in flying sources or literally just appearing in your bedroom at night Or apparently helping tribes Yeah, they seem to have a vested interest in us for some reason Some would say as experimentation others would might say that they're actually caring for us in some way. But yeah, the idea that this could actually be, like you say, one of those missing subsections of the human lineage, and they've just gone for that underground living, and they interface with us selectively. - Have you read this book called "The Coming Race?" - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. - "Duckwood Bowl will Litten." - Yeah, yeah. - That's the favorite of every neo-nazi, right? Because whenever I put that out there, people are like, "Why are you promoting this Nazi material?" - Because Hitler was into it or something. - Yeah, well, and this is what got Graham Hancock in trouble is when he went out and was talking about lenses, suddenly you had rolling stones, and you know, the independence of the Nazi, racist, right wing propaganda and fit. - Graham Hancock's the most, like, boomer liberal. - Dude, he's a multicultural family for the love of God, like, his wife's like, you know, dark skinned, and like, he's been called as racist piece of shit by the media. - And at the end of all the speeches, he goes, "We need no nations." And we need, like, what do you do, guys? - You're racist, like, God. - But, like, you know, it's interesting. Yeah, the Nazis were obsessed with Atlantis, like the top tier of the SS, and, like, certain elements of the SS believed that the Germanic race was a seed race that came from these, like, like, lamirier and Atlantis, and they had a term for, like, the hyperboreans or something like that, and they would go all over. This is what's so crazy for a lot of people. It's, like, they see Indiana Jones, they just think that's a film. That was a straight-up documentary. - No, Heinrich Himmler was looking for the Ark of the Cabin. - They were, they were going through Peru and Nepal and Tibet as photos of them, we've, like, you know, these, like, high llamas, and they'd, like, swastikers in the background. And it's like, no, they were legitimately interested in doing that kind of stuff. And the issue that you run into these days is if you try and invoke Atlantis, or you try and invoke Lymeurier, and you try and talk about that. The mainstream will say, well, you're just promoting racist, right-wing ideology. This is the talking points of the Nazis. Like, well, only because they found out about this stuff, you can text, man. Like, don't lump in the idea of Atlantis with neo-Nazis and ideology of that era. Like, doesn't make any sense. They just picked up on it and became interested. But it's used as a way to attack. And that's what happened with Graham, very noticeably. Yeah. No, there are always ways to bucket in. I mean, Nietzsche or whatever was not necessarily a Nazi. It was like a sister that got in with the Nazis. It's like, it's just crazy. It's this mushy brain thinking and ways to scapegoat people at home and then. But what do you, what do you think about anti-gravity research and how far they got ahead? Because that's one of the big, like, lines of law is like, oh, it's German tech. It's German tech. Dude, I don't know. But I find myself the sila and caribdists for me are like the people that say there's nothing. 'Cause dude, I'm so high conviction in the towns and brown stuff. And a lot of the, you know, comelor stub was totally real. And I think they were doing some really trippy shit. I don't know exactly, no way more fundamentally about what brown was actually doing versus the comelor stub people. There's a lot of reason to believe. I think comelor stub was doing frontier, interesting stuff that got, and that was part of the impetus for paperclip. And why we needed it so badly and that the Habermoll side made it to Russia, but we, you know, needed to get a lot. And we now even have Air Force documents knowing that we, Hans Comler, was apprehended by the Americans. So I think there's something real there. And then towns and brown himself parachuted behind enemy lines into Nazi Germany. And there's a telegram from William Stephenson who I mentioned earlier, inspiration for James Bond. To Josephine, who's towns and browns wife, saying that, you know, your husband is safe, but he's been injured. And there's a photo of him in Catalina's recovering. - Wow. - Yeah, long injury. Yeah, so I think there's some weird connections there for sure. And then the Silla, the Silla in Caribdus is the people who are like, there's nothing here where they're posturing around it. You know, even, I love Eric Weinstein, but even him is like, he, it's always like hedging where it's like, you know, there's a lot of, you know, disinfo in the space and like, like, but like look first principles at the brown stuff. Like there is something there. So there's like this side where I like have to argue that there's something real here. And then there's like the Ashton Forbes side where like, again, nothing against him. And like, I'm down to have him on my show, like whatever. But like, he is so sure that we have like teleportation tech in, you know, deep black circles. And I'm like, dude, where are you getting? - Yeah. - Why, how can you know? - Me and him Bob Ted's quite a few times online. And then he was at the conference. I was at a couple of days ago as a first time I met him. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, we should, we should hands and became friends and that's the thing. - Yeah. - I don't agree with him and I think I make free somebody's fake. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - No. - Like so. - I was always there. - Basically feel the same way. And I'm still happy to talk to the guy. But like, so I feel like those are the two, the two failure. But the brown stuff, I'm pretty sure is real. I'm pretty sure it was classified. And then to me, it's just a black box is to wear that what happened next. And we were talking earlier about the disclosure stuff. That felt like I'll fucking talk to anybody. I don't care who they are. I mean, you know, what their past is or whatever. The brown stuff for me popped, it was like the most orthogonal to like all of the like shit getting like quote unquote, like you know, seem like, you know, like it was like, this came out of left field. So like I know that shit's fucking real. It wasn't like somebody came out and was doing like the circuit of interviews, like saying something. - No, there's a trail of receipts for that. - Yeah, yeah. - Absolutely. - So I'm really high conviction in that. And then beyond that, man, I don't fucking know. And it frustrates me and I wish we could make progress. - I don't know, what do you think? - No, I'm in agreement with you. I find it fascinating like where do these stories come from? Like, you know, the idea of like the the real discs and you know, like the Nazi bell. And you know, so what's the origin point for this? Is it disinformation? Is it a smokescreen from Western intelligence? You know, during paper clip and like, right, I say this stuff and we'll do this stuff over here. Look at the right hand while the left hand's doing something else, you know what I mean? Like I think that there is a hell of a lot of kind of smokescreening involved in somebody's rich laws within ufology because it's about trying to protect the technology and keep it away from people. So distraction techniques that will send someone off on a paper trail that leads nowhere, you know what I mean? - And I do, I wonder if, you know, if you believe, I believe in non-human intelligence. I think that that is totally real. - I've seen enough of my own eyes, man. - Totally. - I've always hover over my house. - There you go. So that's the first hand experience that you have to try. And I am somewhat sympathetic to the three body problem narrative in that like I think science is much weirder than meets the eye. And if it pattern matches to revelation, when these scientists have their discoveries. So I wonder if they have their own counter intel for some of this science. - Possibly right? - And it disseminated in this slow drip. And it's not maybe the Philip Corso clean narrative where it's like just based on meta materials that reverse engineering. It's more like mental like you get a download for a thing and then it gets like online. - Where did that come from exactly? Yeah, I find that interesting is not just us that might be doing the op. - Yeah. - It might be something else doing the op. - Well, it's funny, Eric Davis, you know, went in front of Congress or whatever. And the whole thing was kind of this weird dog and pony show. I think Congress is like doing a lot of this stuff. - Yeah, it won't be that good. - But the my favorite line from his, and I have disagreements with him. I'll on the brown stuff. But like my favorite statement of him was he goes the NHI or controlling disclosure. Which I loved. And that's fucking true, man. I don't think like that's why I, you know, that. - Well, do you remember Obama? - Oh, what do you say? - He's like Jimmy Kimmel. And it's like you do it with a smile. But what are you really saying? He's like, the aliens won't let it happen. They, they excite strict control over us. - Wait, wait, wait, wait. I have a crazy story about it. - Yeah, yeah. It's off time now. - Can I say one thing? - Wait, wait, wait. - Okay, my crazy, my crazy story on that is I have a friend who I think heard from Eddie Vetter, the Pearl Jam guy. He was at a campfire with Obama. - Oh, no shit. - And like everybody was kind of wasted or something. And Obama, and he was like, dude, I got to know, like what's actually going on? And Obama goes, read the three-body problem. - No shit. - Yes. - No shit. - Wow. - And Obama's, now his production company is doing a movie on Betty and Barney Hill. - And then the talk about predictive programming. - And they did, they did the, leave the world behind. - Leave the world behind, like the grid goes down. - Like basically the step by step to destabilize a nation. - Yeah, yeah. - Go on brother, we got, we got first. (laughing) - The three-body problem, as far as the, as far as the impossibility of fashion and light, I don't buy, or the dark, the dark forest thing. That's some bullshit from psychopath, serpent-raised people. But the so-fons, remember the so-fons? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, the so-fons. - They were using atoms coming into the sun and messing up all the mental physics. - They're called so-fons. Is that not the guy who told, what's the thing about Atlanta's so-fons? - Oh, I don't know, is it? - Yeah, so-fons told, so long. - So long. - Oh, so yes, so long, yeah. - But the so-fons, the thing Mark Andreessen, and if you were Barry Weiss, he said, he wanted to work on AI and they go, "No, I don't bother, we're only allowed two or three guys "do it and do like, you know, a state capitalist thing." - Oh, yeah, yeah. - And he goes, what do you mean? And he goes, - Classified a physics. - Yeah, we classified a whole area of physics. - I get a cold war, no problem. - Now in your school. - Yeah, in your school, the three states of matter I learned, water and steam and ice. But plasma, which is the fourth state of matter, we don't really get into that ever again. - No, we don't. And that's where a lot of secrecy lies. - And you did something on Kenneth Shuld, the exotic vacuum object? - Yeah, well, I mean, like, I can't really claim that I did it. I've had some guests on like a pretty mysterious guy called Mr. Rex. - That's right. - Yeah, dude. That was back in the day. That was when I was first getting himself with Richard Dolan and Mr. Rex, who just doesn't want to be named. He's not a government guy. He's just, he's a Savant. He's really is a Savant. He did so much work on EVOs, exotic vacuum object, and it's like self-organizing plasma. And like, if you want to hear like deep dives into the technicalities of what plasma might be, like check out my oldest interviews with Mr. Rex for like four years back, five years back. Like that dude's a fountain of knowledge, but like the Sapphire project and things like this popped up for a bit. Like, you know, we're bottling the stars, we're doing it, boop, gone. - Yeah. - I'll put off, got involved with that project for a little bit. - Right, he's got his hands in there. He's always showing up. the history of bad. But the about Frisal Peru, I didn't know you just want to prove that it's fucking one. Yeah, that's where we get the name, you know, did they still talk about Amarie at all? Amarie. They're God. Oh, no. Not too many Americans named after. Oh, wow. Is that true? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Marigold Vespucci changed his name to be more like that, not the other way around. Yeah. Yeah. Have you been to Peru? No, my good friend is my last man. I need to go out though. Yeah. Yeah. - Please tell me a crazy stuff about it. All the time I believe him back then, 'cause I wouldn't believe none of this stuff, I would be like dismissive of all the things that you're saying like 20 years ago. - Yeah, there's nothing. - Were you, you like a normie back in the day? - You two degree. - Really? I can't make it. - I was a minister. - I used to be a Jov's witness. I was a minister. - Right, right. - I stopped on his 20th. - I remember the Bible. - You were a minister. - Yeah, everybody knocks on your door. You get back on your minister. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I mean, it is, but I would buy a lot. - What took you out? - Yeah. - Of that? - Yeah. - Oh, pussy. It was just pussy. It wasn't any, but you have to understand. If I believe some, and I'm in a cult, okay? And I call, the reason I call them a cult is because you actually have to do the religion. - Right. - Because the reason I call it cult. - Right, right. - So my definition is different than a lot of people's. I always want to be Catholic because you don't have to do it. You know? Well, that must be fun. - Just say you're sorry when you die. You couldn't have taught me out of it. You could go and show me all the evidence. You don't leave the cult till it don't work for you the way they said it was gonna work for you. They tell you it's the answer to everything, all the answers. And then when it don't work, that's when you go out of it, okay? So that's when I left. Now that thing you said about the underground, the ant people, and I didn't know they said they were a sinister. - They did that particular tribe, dude. They were just like, don't fuck with it. - Okay, yeah, yeah. - That's, okay, so this is what I'm talking about, metaphorical overlays, okay? So they're underground. Now, I think the little graze are some type of homunculus. If you've looked at Greta Thunberg, that's the evolutionary pattern of us. - Patient zero, right there. - She's a completely astro-curve construct. Why would I care about anything about her? Because they made that. - Yeah, she was groaning like a world economic firm vibe. - She's just vegan to her life. So, you know, born into a bald. - Basically, but vegan to her is the same difference, okay? So they went underground. So, you know, these AI freaks like that creep with the hair lip that made bait little Sophia. - Oh, yeah, yeah, so. - Little Batman. - Oh, yeah, they're really good. - I would have seen Africa to map kids brains. - Of course they did. - What? - Yeah. - A doll called Little Sophia. - Yeah. - Yes, doll. Like, to make them think about STEM. - Also, Sophia is a gnostic reference. - Right, for wisdom. - Just saying it. - Wisdom. And it spies on your underage daughter. Excites her about STEM. It was crazy, okay? That full speed ahead. All these AI guys, oh yeah. It's gonna be terrible when they, do you want these tech guys talk? It's insane. - Yeah. - They go, yeah, first it's gonna suck. - Yeah. - They've all built underground bunkers. - Yeah, they're ready for that shit. - Yeah, like the int people you might have heard from those bunkers. - Yeah, right. - You see in the commonalities here. There's a bunch of rich, high tech people that are gonna transhuman you. You're gonna be half an iPhone. Yay. And then it's gonna suck and they're gonna go underground when she fucks again. - And then they'll come back up and teach the rest of us how to live again. - Yeah, like well, shit dude, like you know what I mean? - Look for themes. - Yeah man. - The details, I don't believe and not believe that. I don't know, nothing doing nothing. You could lie to me. I want to know a new thing I ain't heard yet that don't make me bored. Would you guys ever get an airline? - No. - I would never get it. - No, I interviewed the guy that got the first one. - Oh, yeah, how was that? - Yeah, yeah. - I got in the 60s. - No one on the bar. - No one on the bar like something like that 'cause he had a couple that went loose. - Whoa. - A couple of. - He was the first one. - Oh, the real first one is like 70. - Okay, right, yeah. - Leonard Kyle worked for Polaroid. - Uh-huh. - He went, he was very jealous of his girlfriend or something and he went to a therapist to help him with that. And unfortunately, his psychologist was worked for the CIA and they put a chip in his skull without telling him because Carlos Delgado has a video of the bull and they can stop its aggression. They can make it not violent. Carlos Delgado's CIA great. And okay, this is wild. They put it in his head, it was a disaster. And the microwaves that are beaming the shit to the head were giving him horrible pain. He's a real smart guy. It turns brain to Joe Biden soup. She ends up in a booby hatch. People code to visit him. This is all I'm telling you truth. He has a metal garbage can on his head because even though he's crazy, he's smart enough to know what blocks what they're doing. - He was real right. - Oh, that's the guy. - So we're ready. Wait, wait for the punch line, dude. - That's good. - Then they started giving him tin foil instead. - No shit. - And that's where we get it. - That's where you get it. - In foil hat. - No. - From the CIA mutilating an American citizen. And it's a big joke now. Is that funny? - Is that true? - I just told you it's true three times. - That's crazy. - Yeah, so I like to dress up like a clown and tell people these things. 'Cause they can't believe it. (laughing) Did you like my Hannibal director's shirt? - Yeah, that is. - The old band, Google it. - Nice. - Yeah, so a thing we mock was someone mutilated by Intel service. But they're gonna tell you the truth about UFOs. I'm sure they will. (laughing) - You were a minister. - Yeah. (laughing) - What did you imagine his fucking, what do you call it? - You guys hit like three things that I'm like, oh my god, I was like fasting and like hearing this shit. Like, 'cause I know a lot of this shit too, but. - Well, let's go to dinner dinner. - Yeah, we'll go to dinner. - Yeah, he says, and I just, like I said, I don't care who anybody likes. - Right. - Or what do I give you shit? I just want that. - Just give me that. - And I'm like, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, man. - However I gotta get it, I'm gonna find it. I don't know why I'm obsessed with it, but I am. - I hate you, man. - Yeah. And so there's, people are gonna, as soon as you, who here raise your hand, if someone from somewhere like D.O.D. or D.O.D. was a D.I.D., someone from one of the three layer agencies can maybe met you somewhere and go, hey, I just wanna tell you like, you're about 80% right, you're out. - I get that. - 'Cause I've heard someone tell me a bunch of times. - I've heard of that to you, but. - Yeah. - Does it get a nice 80%? The guy has said to me. - Well, I got told that I was flagged as a Russian disinformation platform by the D.O.D. apparently, but they're still letting me in the country, so. - What do you think flagged as Russian disinformation? - According to someone who had contacts in the D.O.D., who said, oh yeah, no, we love Project Uni, but we can't actually watch it because it's been flagged as a Russian disinformation platform. I don't know how true that is, but that's what I was really-- - I have a bunch of like Twitter bots calling me Russian disinformation. - Why do you-- - The moment I open my mouth, by the way. - I'm going to talk to myself. - Yeah. - I've seen saying that, dude. - I've seen you saying that shit. - Yeah, no, I mean, like, you know, I think at a certain point, when you talk about these kind of subjects and you hit a certain perception, and everyone's like, always controlled opposition. Oh, he's this, he's that, he's the other. I've heard it about you as well, bro. So like, I know the people. - Oh, it's all over me. - When you learn is the way this system works. - Yeah, dude. A lot of Victor, I'm not going to be a project, but perpetrators are victims as well of it. That's how the pyramid system works. A bunch of the whole reason it weighs designed is the compartmentalization levels, or so that you don't know anything. So people go, oh, he knows that guy. I know all kinds of rich, famous people. That don't mean shit, dude. Jack Kraus, who I think is very good info, thinks Rogan's a honey trap. - Right. - Rogan's called controlled opposition. - Oh, all the time. - All the time, all the time. - None of that. - I don't need to see for. So what are the fruits of what you produced? Does it go nowhere or did I learn from it? - Right. - That's all I'm looking at. - Yeah, man. - Well, that's why it's like Dark Journalist has called me that before. - Well, how has he? - I'm like, dude, like, you are into the town's and brown stuff, and I went way deeper on the same shit. - Right. - You are, where's the daylight between us? Like, if you can give me substance on like, how I'm doing? That's just weird. - It's from now that I'm pretty, you know, frequently just like. - It kinda is, yeah. - Everybody does it. - And I get it, I get it, but it's sometimes it's like, sometimes it's true, and then sometimes it's some keyboard, warrior, reddit, mushy, brainplay. - Which is most of the time. - Most of the time. - Most of the time. - Have no ego. - Have to dissolve your ego to do this. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's what they teach you in them things. - But that's another thing. There's just too many people trying to lop as spooks and spies, and they wanna be, you know, I'm close to the inside. There's, I've got information. It's like, you are the most easy to fuck with. If you realize that, right? They are so desperate to be involved with these people. They love it because they'll just feed you for a bullshit, kick you out into the world and say, go preach. - You know what I mean? That's so many of them. So many of them. You gotta be really discerning in this subject. And that's something that I've done as well. I've made mistakes of how people are like, there was a DARPA dude that I had on, turned out to not be from DARPA because like, I'm fucking email from DARPA. I got emailed by the security manager of DARPA. It was like, I'm really sorry to email you, but we've just seen your video, and this guy has never worked with DARPA. - Who is it? - Michael Moran. - Yeah, watch out for that motherfucker. He's a Scientologist, I think. He's just like out there trying to spread his agenda, but I was, I was actually, the ones that you told me he was DARPA, but it was someone that I actually did trust, he's in the IC, who we've brought up his name on this show. And he was like, oh no, you need to get him on. And I just didn't do much due diligence, got him on, and then boom, turns out he's full of shit. - Cover this stuff, you're gonna swing it some bad guys. - You're gonna swing it some bad guys. - I've definitely gotten shit wrong. - The healthiest thing to do as a normal person is just to go, I got got, sorry, I'm not perfect, I got got. And you know, so many people refused to like do that. No, I was being fucked with body and it's like, no, it's just a, it just admit you made a mistake. Yeah, doing real one. Yeah, you're gonna get fucked. You're going to get yourself. Exactly. I don't care if you're wrong. Yeah. Yeah. You could be wrong. Who made up this thing? You can't be wrong like that. Yeah, like shit. Exactly. Yeah, get not you again. Come to do it. Remember that shit? Yeah, dude, like, you know, that's an obvious op to smear you. You're allowed to make mistakes. Yeah. So I care if you like to me, Joe Rogan, who's not a scientist, he didn't make a single mistake about COVID. Not one. He was crushing it. Okay, so all the people that talk about science to me, I want to know if you got your booster. Yeah, I want to know women have dick. or not. Okay. We need to establish a baseline sensibility. 100 percent bro. Oh, they do. I guess they're all, they're all as fucking crazy as each other. But you know, I get what you're saying. It's just we live in a doggy thought that it's the Hobbs of Life and the system set up. It's how you divide the population rule that. But that's what I think the judo move is the failure mode on what we're talking about is caring too much about the disinfo or the intel or whatever where it's like the or the cool thing is to just be in your like locally good positive bubble and just search for truth. Yeah. And just do your thing. Well, that's honestly again, that's that's why I've stepped a bit away from UFOs and that kind of subject because it's just like full to the brim with intelligence spies and stokes and it's like I find it really refreshing to be looking at ancient history and not only is there like an actual data trail, but no one's trying to fuck with me in the same level. No one's trying to influence my stuff as much as they were when I was doing UFOs. And I just feel like there's really good signatures in ancient history to say like the models are wrong. Like there's evidence that the models are wrong. Right. With UFOs, even though I've seen I've literally got into a meditative state and made requests for something to turn up and had orange orbs float down and hover above my house, which is why I created my YouTube channel in the first place. Yeah. Picked up a camera phone, put it on a tree branch and was like, Hey guys, I'm a person. This happens to me. And then suddenly you get thrown into this world of like espionage and spooks and spies and it's exciting, but you come out on the end of that and you're like, I didn't actually learn anything from these guys. Yeah, dude, so like I find it refreshing to step into another subject where it's like there's an anomaly. There's something to look at here, but there's actually some pretty good evidence for it. And then it ties in to the Anunnaki, the Samarians, or the watchers. It's like there's a connection. But this modern stuff just feels like it's been CIA sealed and packaged to send out to us. They're just kind of like we're good. There's a lot of that, but pushback slightly like Robert Hastings and the nuclear stuff, like extremely grounded patterns of like these guys who if you speak to any of these cute cleared guys, they're not, they don't have any counter-intel background. Yeah, no, not all of them. Not for an every single one. I'm not throwing every single one of them under the bus, not not all, but I just feel like the UFO community is specifically populated with a lot of intelligence influence if you're so happy. It's like there are like channels that are deemed like I always, the thing that's made me uncomfortable about this year is I want to off myself as some like like I don't want anybody to see me. That's why I have, you know, Kurt. I have no respect. No, it's beautiful. It'll give me a little refreshment. No, which is approach your career today. Fantastic. No, no, I think it's great because it's like you don't want to be the guy. No, it's the worst position ever. No, you don't, because then you'll just get shot down the moment you make a mistake. Yeah, yeah, no, exactly. And that's it's good to inter-dispers the seriousness with a bit of fucking levity because just from doing on stage, dude, if you're going to get your feelings hurt, you don't, I'm a clown for living. So yeah, I don't get to have dignity, you know, so what happens online? And by the way, it's part of the DARPA, we went on a DARPA bullshit to get you pulled into a nonsense spinning samsara endless wheel. That's very much like the cycle of, you're going to be shit. Right, right. And you're in a prison and you got to go back. All these spiritual things, you, hey, unified field theories as above so below, I think. Yeah, no, because you can scale this shit up and down. Yeah, yeah. And you can see what the picture is. But you got to look at other shit. Do I read the Bible a lot? And me trying to reconcile all these different things? Then you start to see, and once you know who gets paid for doing what, you could start putting it together. It's not beyond you to put it together. It's not 100% on that beautiful now. Damn, how long we've been going for? We've been going for my girls, Matt shouldn't worry about the experience. And she's impatient through this. Okay. Okay. Well, guys, crazy. Yeah, it's been, it's been done. Jay Anderson project unity. Kurt Matzger. Thanks brother. Yeah, you're good. I need you. Yeah, you too, Matt, we'll link up later for a meal or something. Yeah, we'll get dinner. Appreciate you guys. That was really good. [Music]