Episode Revisit: Torture

Hey weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Alayna. And this is Morbid. Okay, did you guys catch that that actually was not Big Red? I mean, I do a pretty good impression if you ask me. But guys, Big Red is feeling not so not not big good. She's kind of feeling big bad, I would say. So I'm here to introduce this episode on the ones and twos all by myself. I actually feel probably the weirdest that I've ever felt. I think I recorded one episode by myself, like way back in the laundry room days. And it's very weird to just stare at your computer and not another person. So I'll use solo. I'm podcasters out there. I really give you a lot of credit because how do you do it, honey? Okay, before we get into today's case, which is going to be a little revisit, I believe this one is the medieval torture episode, which like, wow, we're really throwing it way back there, dolls. I think this might be when I asked if eagles had, what did I say? Cubs. Eagles had cubs. So the good news is I'm more educated now. They don't have the same level of educated as me back then. Or the same level of educated that I was, apparently. Anyways, before we get into today's episode, we have two pieces of exciting news for you. Numero uno is if you're not on the social media, you don't know the big cool news. We partnered with Hunt a Killer, who was one of our, actually not one of, our very first sponsor on this show. So that is like the coolest thing ever. This is just such a full circle moment. We collabed with them and we've been working for the past, like, I don't even know how many months, but months and months and months of work has gone into this. And we developed a game with them called the Salem Slicer. I mean, can you think of a more perfect name for a game? The Salem Slicer, like that has Elena Nash and Hunt a Killer written all over it. So that is our new game collab. It's available right now for pre-order at Walmart, which is really freaking cool. Never did I ever think I'd have a game in Walmart. It is a very, very fun game. There's all these clues. You have to solve this murder. It's from the 1980s. It's obviously based in Salem. So basically the game starts with this young woman named Abigail. She finds this box of evidence basically in her father's attic and all of this evidence and like all these newspaper clippings and these kind of just like weird snapshots, I guess you could say, are in this box in her dad's attic and they're all tied to the Salem Slicer. Next up is my own father, my, my flesh and blood father, the Salem Slicer. Like that would change our lives because this case is way back in the 1980s. So Abigail starts investigating and now it's your turn to start investigating because you need to solve the case of the Salem Slicer. And if you think that that sounds like the bee's knees, if you think that's just the coolest thing in the world, which like you definitely should, then you need to head over to Walmart to pre-order the game. Elena and I are so, so excited. I'm stoked about this. So that's that. That's one piece of incredibly exciting news. And guess what? It's not over doll faces. I got more for you. I truly feel like I'm hosting my own radio show just like in the dark right now. It's really weird to talk to you guys completely by myself, but I love you. I feel close to you like this. So second piece of news is Nicholas. Listen, listen, I know Nicholas is a controversial figure, but most of you love Nicholas. Say that you don't. I think you're maybe a little bit of a liar. Maybe a little bit of a liar, honey. I don't know. Or maybe you just don't know how to have fun. I'm just kidding. If you don't like him, it's fine. But if you do like him, this is really good news for you. There is a new shirt on the Morbid website, Officially, and it is a Nicholas shirt. It is dedicated to our boy in the afterlife. So go check that out. Go pre-order the Salem Slicer and wish my sissy a big. Ew, I never call her my sissy. Why did I just say that? My sister. She's my sister. Wish her healing vibes. Wish her healing vibes and so that she gets better soon because I don't really want to catch her stomach bug. And I also hate staying away from her. And most of you are probably sick of hearing me alone. So maybe you're not. Maybe you love me. I love you. All right. Without further ado, let's get into the case. Hey, weirdos. I'm the Iron Maiden. And I'm the Breezin' Bull. And this is. Morbid. Medieval. Pass the mutton. Huzzah. Burn some heretics. Is this a competition? No, I won. Woo! We're back. Yippee-ki-yay. And her sound's a little better. Yeah, do we sound crisper? Shout out to our bro, Aiden. Yeah. Does he listen? I think he does. Okay. I'll make him listen. Listen. For this one. Yeah, my nephew, Aiden. He's amazing. And he let us take his fancy pants microphone to use. And his microphone is way cooler than our $30 one. So we're going to buy this microphone. We are going to buy it. And you'll never have to buy it. And you'll never have to hear crappy audio again. Exactly. So hopefully from now on, we're going to have crisper, cleaner, beautiful audio. Well, there was another kind of exciting true crime update this week. For a real bad guy. Yeah. You know that you always say, he was a bad guy. He was a bad guy. A real bad guy. A real bad guy. You say it a lot. I do say it a lot. And it makes me laugh. He's a bad guy. Every time you say it. Because I feel. Bad guy. I'm just very simple with my descriptions. I'm like, he's a bad dude, man. Bad boys, bad boys. What you gonna do? Oh, we might get sued for saying that. Let's not say that. Well, I didn't finish it. I didn't finish it. Well, this bad guy is a real bad guy. He's a bad Larry. And he's the one that we premiered our podcast with. Joseph D'Angelo, the Golden State Killer. Ew. Who is also officially the Vesalia Ransacker, too. They've officially said that he's that guy. I mean, we did that. And one of the big things this week was that he was charged with a 13th murder now. We had mentioned in the episode that there was a possibility that he was involved in the killing of Claude Snelling, who was shot while he was stopping the kidnapping of his 16-year-old daughter. Oh, my God. And he died. He was a community college teacher. He's officially charged with that now. So that's good, because that family deserves closure. When does the trial. Do they have a date? I don't know. I don't know that. I want to watch it on TV. I'm waiting with bated breath. Do you think that it will be televised? I don't know. That's all. To be honest. You never know with these things. Well, it'll be on like a snap or like something later. Yeah, we'll find out about it later for sure. And we'll hear all the updates, you know. Nancy Grace will be on that shit. Oh, God. But. That gives me anxiety. I mean, he unfortunately can't be charged with any of the burglaries or rapes because there's a fucking statue of limitations on rape, which. So he can't be charged with any of the rapes? Yeah, he's not charged with any of them. The statue of limitations. Oh, I think we talked about that, but it makes me shocked. Expired. It just makes me so angry every time I see it. Because he's charged with more than 50 rapes. Right. And he's just. I know he's going to go to jail until he dies, but it's like. And he's like 400 now. But it's like, I want him to be charged with those. And I'm sure those victims of the rapes would want him to be held accountable for them. And he's not going to. They should give them at least some recognition. Hopefully the judge says something like, if I could, I would. Like a ceremonial charge. Sometimes they do like. Like an honorary charge. You know what I mean, though? Like judges can say like. Oh, yeah. If I could, I would. If I could, I would. Like there was. I forget what case it was, but she was like, if I could, I would sentence you for life. Oh, yeah. I'm not allowed. Yeah. I can't remember. And she basically was just like. Oh, in the Joe Rifkin case. Remember? Yes, yes. The judge was like, you're a disgusting monster. Mm-hmm. And I want to make sure. I think he said like, I want to make sure that you never see freedom in this life or the next or something like that. Yeah. Something like real sassy. Like it was something very poetic and very like, yeah, boy. I. I'm not thinking that one, though. I'm thinking of a different one and I'm like watching it in my head right now. Are you thinking of the badass. It's a woman judge. It's a woman judge from the. Yeah. I know exactly. We're on the same page. Oh, my God. What's his name? Larry. Yeah. The doctor. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Remember? She went on like this big long rant. Oh, yeah. And it was like amazing. And she like threw the letter that he wrote that was bitching about how unfair it was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I hope something like that happens. We're talking about the U.S. gymnast doctor who was charged with like. With like a billion sexual assaults and rapes because he's a monster. He's a bad fucking guy. But yeah. So that's exciting. Current true crime news. Hell yeah. But for today, we're going to bring it way back. We are taking a trip in the way back machine today. Well, Joanna always says that she would not do if she had a time machine. Oh, I would never go back to the Middle Ages. That is not. That is not. If you were like. I don't even think it's safe for like dudes to go back. - Do you know what I was going to say? - But it's really not safe for women. - I almost just said I would only go back if I was royalty but then sometimes even royalty sometimes your head gets chopped off like yeah yeah especially if you're a woman you're really women are really not but yeah I wouldn't go back there I also wouldn't go to the future no I don't know what to expect no I'd go to like the 70s and the 80s I'd go back to like the 90s yeah I feel like we're in the 90s I'd go watch like are you afraid of the dark yeah and just chill actually realistically I just go back to when I was like 10 so that I wouldn't have to work anymore and I would just stay there for a while just chill for a little while or I'd go to the future because maybe someday like I'll just like have my partner you just said you weren't gonna go to the future no I just but I was I would take a sneak peek yeah and then if it was real bad I would go real step out yeah sniff around see what's going on and then get right but if I could be lazy in the future I'm all about it you oh yeah I think everybody would be all about take me there who doesn't want to be lazy yeah yeah I want to be lazy oh male the mailman just came and scared the shit out of me okay so there's that yeah guys we're actually um recording in the middle of the day which is weird because we never record in the daytime and I love that we're like more spooked out during the day like at night we are very much like moon dwellers we are like the sun's out I'm like what's happening why is it so bright I'm in all black currently this is the worst Sabrina the teenage which is on the television yep as per you literally should we should we jump on in so in 570 no I'm just kidding today we're going to be covering various methods and devices used in torture oh yeah so this is kind of we're going way back because these aren't not that I know of at least used and if they are I don't want to except maybe one of them but we'll cover that later I kind of have a lot of time to think about it I don't know if I'm going to be able to do it I don't know if I'm going to be able to do it I don't know if I'm going to be able to do it I don't know if I'm going to be able to do it I kind of have animals just do it actually it went away I really had to all right so should I start yeah where ash is going to do hers and then I'm going to do a list of mine because guess what weirdos ash did some research this research and at the top of the page is the brazen bull the brazen bull that's my first um what's it called my first like torture device device yeah my first torture device and it was in the book called torture device invented somewhere between 570 and 554 bc bc so like way way back yeah it was invented by perilous of athens perilous is a great name perilous perilous perilous perilous like goatee he's just like periling it sounds perilous so it sounds like well just wait actually you're dangerous dangerous yeah perilous so perilous was a bronze worker and he designed the brazen bull to execute criminals in a super chill way yeah sounds pretty chill so far actually I'm kidding it was really fucked up oh that's weird yeah so the brazen bull was a legit statue of a bull and it was hollow but made of browns that's pretty so I read an article on all that's interesting.com and the article was really interesting yeah that web you know what that website has all that is interesting yeah that actually does yeah but it was described as a human crockbot on this website that sounds delicious and potentially the most fucked up torture device in history yeah because I use a crockpot often for humans but I don't normally put humans yeah it's just like a like celebratory like usually I throw some like chicken some veggies in there right but after this maybe I'll give it a shot yeah I hope it's not with me though because you need a podcast host that's true okay cool bye yeah it won't be for you all right so basically in ancient greece there was a colony which is a cragus cragus I love it um it's now sicily so I like that better just sicily we're just gonna call it yeah and it was ruled by a tyrant named phalaris so don't get yourself mixed up there's paralos there's phalaris it's a lot of p's all right he rolled on an iron fist wait wait I just got confused yeah I just told you not to phalaris okay paralos phalaris okay according to adam we don't need a pop filter on this so so that's exciting hopefully we'll yeah so we can go and it's not your eyes got wicked wide because I was like kind of terrifying so phalaris was a giant asshole I felt like he would be but paralos was like oh my god I'm gonna make this brass ball torture device and my master phalaris is gonna think it's super dope because he's a big dick yeah he's a dick and I'm gonna make him a dickish invention so that he thinks I'm looking cool yeah so I see his train of thought I'm with him I smell what he's stepping in so how he designed it is that the person gets put inside the bull and then a fire is lit and then the person gets put inside the bull and then a fire is lit underneath ah the crock pot yeah so basically the porn bofo just like burns alive fun yeah it's it's really chill I wonder if they have like a low and high setting like a crock pot where you can like simmer them on low for a little while well I think in that case you would just make a small fire oh there you go and then you could just keep adding wood to the fire so then you would get you would get more tender meat you know this was bc it was like yeah they had to just work with what they had yeah but I feel like they were on it no this is like some like modern day shit like I was like perilous how did you come up with this who you be perilous like how'd you know this so he designed it so that the pipes and whistles that he like put inside the bull convert the screams of those inside to sounds of a bull snorting and grunting so this poor like sob is like but the people on the outside are like like that's what it sounds like that's what a bull sounds like a bull's just walking around going well can you do your best bull impression then please I like that one to be honest well they also snort because I'm just picturing bulls walking around being like well bulls are bad they're just like grunting fuck you I like that he festooned it though like he made it fun he did he literally added the bells and whistles onto it well so you know he made it really fun yeah but supposedly he was the first victim of it oh saw that coming I feel yeah he told phalaris sorry I just totally lost my train of thought um so supposedly he told to our phalaris goodbye he told that guy so he said to this guy his screams will come to you through the pipes as the tenderest most pathetic most melodious of bellowings and phalaris was really disgusted by that because he was messed up but he was like that's messed up he was like I have a line yeah and you just went way past every tyrant dictator person has a line and this was part of phalaris's line so he was so disgusted that he threw him inside he threw perilous inside oh and in my notes I wrote phalaris was so disgusted that he threw phalaris inside but he threw perilous so they just jumped right in there threw himself he's like you know what goodbye cruel world light that fire I hate that people like you exist I'm just jumping in here yeah no he threw perilous inside to test out the sound system just just to test it out he wanted to know we're just gonna give it a shot but we just want to adjust the sound yeah just like adjust the bass and the tempo a little bit right jump in there real quick you know just like let's let's see what we're working with yeah so it's unclear if he got pulled out before he died inside or if he was killed after but either way phalaris had perilous killed I imagine he probably did it in the brazen bull because they were like poetic as fuck oh yeah and they were like oh you made this so we're gonna burn you in it well either way he died because I just thought of something really gross the smell well that but also can you imagine being the person that has to like clean inside of it between people do you think they even did probably not but it's like when you open that thing it's probably just like people juice all up in there yeah that's nasty maybe they just like emptied it out until like I mean imagine being the person who has to empty that shit out well they just used to throw their poop in the street I know but it's just like I just you just like turn your head the other way and toss it out the window you know what it is I have like this weird thing where I don't like wet food no that's not a weird thing like when you know when you put a plate in the sink like someone would put a bowl of food in there yeah that's not a weird thing like when you know when you don't like that either food gets soggy yeah that like the stuff that gets caught in the drain rips me out I can't so I just imagine like soggy people and that's that's real bad that's kind of like how reasons remind me of old people exactly yeah that's exactly I just I don't know you said soggy people so I thought of just like really old people but you thought of saggy people I see where the connection was made okay so the next one is the iron maiden iron maiden not the metal is that one of their songs that's definitely one of their songs I don't know a single one yeah Ashton's a really good air guitar up by her shoulder well I'm really it was like an air violin oh it was like one of those people that you watch two cellos yes I love two cellos yeah I bet they could cover it now I'm just itching they probably have covered an iron maiden song now that I think about it they've covered an ACDC song thong oh man all right well we're not talking about the band this is the torture device yeah and it comes to you straight from the likes of Miss Trumbles the Chokey oh snap bringing it back to Matilda and if you don't get that reference then get out of my face I also thought that you were gonna say it comes straight to you like it yeah it comes to you somebody throws it right at you and I was like well at least it does that no it doesn't so So it's an upright sarcophagus to get started. Oh, okay. With spiders. already this sounds okay yeah it's like comfy yeah you just go and take a nap inside for sure and you just avoid the spikes yeah except but once you're placed inside and the doors are closed the strategically placed spikes placed spikes pierce several of your vital organs i mean was there an ant on you or something no i thought there was something it's things are happening right now where's the daytime we don't know how to we don't function in the daytime i need the moon yeah i need some bats fluttering by i feed off the energy of the moon i feed off the energy of the moon we have an exciting announcement and now you have to listen to the whole rest of the podcast because we're going to announce it at the end okay so it pierces your vital organs is the moon coming on your podcast yes we're having an astronaut on the podcast the actual moon is coming what's that guy that your cat your kids like scott kelly scott kelly's gonna be on the podcast my two and a half year olds are obsessed with scott kelly yeah so there's that but um vital organs spikies yeah no good but no good the spikes were long enough to make your organs shut down immediately that's unfortunate so you just bleed out oh yeah yeah no i'd just rather it all be yeah it would take like and i mean i'm sure you know so you just stand there bleeding slowly have your fucking organs poked shut down and like what i'm you know like juice floating out of your well and you know like when you floating like it's floating in front of you when you go to like like when something hits you you move back so then you probably just move back into another one and then you try to move forward so that makes me claustrophobic yeah i just took a breath so this might make you feel better oh good sometimes people argue if the iron maiden is fact or fiction that kind of bums me out yeah i mean either way it like it was it was a thing and if it was a thing back then they used it well and we're the worst species ever so i'm certain it was used because if all of these other ones were done then i mean this one isn't even as bad as some no it's really not okay well these are a few accounts okay so in the 1700s german philosopher johann philip johann siebenkies oh you're welcome i like it wrote about a coin forger which i think is just somebody that like makes fake money yeah that makes sense or like just forges coins out of metals yeah because like if you think like she forged a check like or like a fake ass check you're a fake ass hoe fake ass bitch yeah yeah so he was that's what he was so the guy that wrote about this johann motorcycle just drove by you probably heard that well you know i just can't stop the outside my neighbor got a motorcycle and i'm so happy for him which neighbor one down the street okay elena has this neighbor i'm 100 sure he doesn't listen to the podcast so he is like the nicest guy and he's so funny and his laugh is literally the most contagious and it bellows throughout the neighborhood he almost okay i started watching dog the bounty hunter again the other day because that is something that i don't know if i can support support it it's a great show i'm not gonna i was raised watching dog the bounty hunter wow yeah which says a lot about how i was brought up but hi mom um so anyways he sounds just like dog the bounty hunters laugh hey i've never heard dog the bounty hunters yet laugh well it sounds like the impression i just said that sentence correctly so that's how far out of that i am my favorite part of yesterday's episode that i was watching was beth had a necklace on that said big daddy i i hate this it's the most disgusting word i hate this but she calls him big daddy i hate it okay i'm done i hate it a lot where where was i going with your neighbors i don't know i was saying that i'm very happy for my neighbor who got a motorcycle recently yeah and um i don't know if like the sarcasm is registering she's not over the podcast waves but not super psyched about it all right so the coin forger got executed he got executed in the iron maiden in the city of i think you say nuremberg nuremberg nuremberg which seems like a not proportionate punishment yeah like like i don't know he probably just could have did some time and yeah what's the thing where they put your head and then your the stocks the stocks just throw them in there for like a couple days it's fine yeah all right so around that time iron maidens began to appear in museums around the u.s and europe bless you according to one article i read a man by the name of matthew peacock which seems legit paul onions and matthew peacock write a book they hang there yeah in the 1800s yeah well i bet paul onions has transported through time yeah he's seen some shit yeah he escaped with ivan malat he's had to have traveled through space and time probably well matthew peacock spent the 1800s collecting paintings and torture devices same he had a wide variety of uh of interests so he allegedly pieced an iron maiden together from pieces of other torture devices slash random devices and he gifted it to a museum where people went crazy over it because they thought it was a real iron maiden yeah they believed it what a turd yeah but here's my favorite one this one okay you know how like folklore isn't always true yes it's always true i feel like this isn't true but i want it to be true oh it's just a little too advanced for the time of 100 bc i don't know they were pretty they were pretty on it back then all right so this account comes from greek historian polybius see and i know him and he always tells the truth oh okay so you can believe how do i pronounce his name exactly how you did polybius exactly lived around 100 bc like i said and claimed that spartan tyrant nabus or novice oh yeah i'm i know i know that guy yeah well did you know that he constructed a mechanical likeness of his wife apega that is really advanced for um but it was an iron maiden version of his wife what the fuck supposedly so if a citizen refused to pay their taxes he would like trick them into coming to his royal courts or whatever it was back then and then he they would think that like his wife was coming to join them but she's a fucking mechanical wife yeah but she had to like wheel over so i'd be like um first fucking giveaway she's on wheels it's it sounds like the uh return to oz the wheelers yeah well it just sounds ridiculous so they would think that his wife was there because they're really fucking dumb apparently but and then somehow basically he would like spring them into her embrace where they'd be impaled by the iron nails that covered her arms hands and breasts i mean that sounds legit yeah i was i believe it fully when i was reading it i was like i don't know like something is off maybe i missed something i don't know yeah it sounds legit to me i believe it i believe pull would you know that guy well maybe i mean they debate if it's still around but the fucking crazy stories are still there that's awesome yeah so that was the iron maiden the metal iron maiden yeah uh my next one is the boots oh that's boots and then okay so there's um two methods that i'm going to talk about today in both of them i don't know if it's like fortunate or unfortunate you don't die oh it's never good when it ends with like this is just torture yeah you're not gonna die you're gonna walk away from or you're gonna crawl away from this or slither away from this seriously okay so in the first method the victim has boots placed on their feet made of spongy leather that just sounds nice it just sounds like it sounds like soggy food ooh spongy leather soggy food it's like moist old people reasons fuck you the word moist doesn't bother me is that why you keep saying it moist cake that's what i think of moist i think it's just a nasty ass look on your face that ruins it that that word only bothers me if people say it in like a yucky way like yeah i'm moist from being outside what yeah that's so cool like if you don't want sweaty to be moist yes yeah that really that brought it somewhere that yeah i just meant sweaty well that's what i mean yeah that's what you see you just brought i meant sweaty too so the boots dust boots um spongy leather they're then tied up with their feet by a fire things get pretty serious pretty quick is what you're saying no they're just trying to make them relax steer some boots warm your feet up by a fire real quick yeah just like hang out yeah but then i'm gonna pour this boiling water onto your boots that's going to shit that escalated quickly so then that water seeps through the leather and dissolves the flush and it said it dissolves the bone too yeah i don't think so it's really hard to get rid of bone and then in some cases wood was placed inside the boot like probably like on the top and the bottom and then they would pour oil inside to expand the wood and cut off the circulation to the foot what so they like smush it is what i thought yeah that like cuts it all off yeah so basically your feet are just real gnarly gross from the scent on and then in the second circulation long enough it'll they'll die so they just have like these necrotic nasty feet yeah their feet will die they will yeah that's what i'm saying oh their feet will die oh yeah gross dead feet i'm just looking at my feet now ouch i know i'm like cradling my feet right you are my hand i'm like massaging it like you still there you're okay i'm not putting you in any boots don't worry about it okay well the second version cradle your feet a little and a little tighter oh so they would place the victim's legs between two planks of wood and then they would tie it together with cords oh i already know and then between the cords the torturers would place wedges which they would then violently hammer into the shins of the victim so thus creating them wood boots oh those aren't boots that's not cool it's up for artistic license that's like hobbling like from misery yeah that's stephen king novel oh that sounds horrible it's a great movie with kathy bates okay well each time a wedge was hammered a small portion of the shin bone shatters oh and then they would hammer at least a dozen wedges up and down the legs oh my damn so like your whole tibia yeah your tibia would just is just done for like it's it falls apart oh so then your legs are just like jello legs and you just have bone shards floating around would you die which you'd eventually get an infection and die probably because anytime they got an infection back then you die because they had nothing to fix that well so and anyways they were unable to walk after that yeah so they probably just you just slithered away and then died from infection sounds good so that was the boots that's boots next one is gonna piss you off oh the scolds bridle was a gruesome torture instrument worn to prevent women from gossiping goddamn women just like a big fuck you to guys back then like i can gossip if i want you i can talk shit if i want i gossip all day yeah every day that's you are a hairstylist that's part of your job i mean you're not wrong so basically the term speaks for itself because back in the day scold was like a derogative term for women or like a woman who was constantly displeased or like nagging or whatever it was like it was like a derogative term for women or like a woman who was constantly displeased or like nagged too much so like you i was just gonna say yeltsy just kidding and then the bridle is a head piece designed for a horse i was gonna say isn't that like a horse yeah the bridle so already that's that's nice so it's to direct it when you're like riding yeah the device is an iron muzzle enclosed in iron framework that would surround the head of the accused that sounds like that thing in saw so the intention was to prevent the person wearing it from speaking and sometimes well the brittle bit would like go in your mouth but sometimes they would put a spike on the brittle bit or the bridle excuse me so that if the woman tried to talk like the movement would pierce her tongue and like then if you it would just ruin your whole did they just have like somebody had like a mountain of surplus spikes you know there was a spike all the time and they were like what do we do with this mountain of spikes and they were like let's just make some fucking shit that rips people apart with it yeah yeah that's exactly the spikes on everything so if that wasn't bad enough there's also a public humiliation part of this i thought that was the public humiliation part yeah but then your husband would drag you in the streets on a leash marriage like hey let's get divorced you asshole um where people were encouraged to yell insults spit on you and like inflict more violence on you maybe that's where they got it in game of thrones that's what i was thinking of the whole time with the shame bell shame shame sounds exactly like it um an early record of this practice took place in scotland scotland i feel like this isn't anything to share about in 1567 um well it was also the method was also used in england and wales yeah see they did it too yeah everywhere i'm sure but bessie tailey fur bessie bessie um slandered this guy named bailey which is your dog's bailey bailey hunter because of false measurements in a land dispute so i think someone was trying to buy land and he was like it's this big but she was like no bitch it's this big and then she got that shit put on her yep because she was a woman and she was sentenced to it for one hour one hour that's just weird well one hour of irreputable damage if it they had yeah they could tear up your tongue right also in walton on thames which is a town in england sure i think um a school title i like looked on wikipedia really fast that's how i research um but is displayed in the vestry of the church that's how we say it vestry you're asking the wrong person about that i like wasn't even baptized the inscription reads it sounds like something that would be in a church i think it's vestry i like it right in yeah um but it says chester presents the walton with a bridal to curb women's tongues that talk to idle necessary and also poetic love that it's a poem you know i didn't realize that until i said it out loud i was writing it and i was like what a fucking asshole like this sounds so flowery i don't know why so the story goes that someone named chester lost a large fortune because of a lady's gossip i bet it was chester's fault of course it was nothing to do with a lady's gossip but he lost money and then he presented the town with the bridal out of anger and spite so he was like here you go i'm real pissed and then my last one do you want to guess what it's called it's called br is the initials the barnacle repairer nope it's the breast ripper oh so close so it rips off your titties oh i thought it went on your head nope so it's also known as the iron spider or just the spider and you guessed it super fucked up super awesome but if you were real friended offended actually by the scolds if you were friended by the scolds then that's weird delete your facebook yeah um then this one you should just sit it out because it was messed up yeah and they like reserved like special ass torture for girls yeah that was nice of them so this one's really short and sweet and to the point uh it was a claw-like device ended in spikes and they either heated it or left it cold i don't know which one is worse they would just put it on your boobies and rip your boobs right off or they would like hang it on a wall and then attach your boobies to it and then like yank you away so that the wall ripped your boobies off kind of oh and that is all my research on boobs in the medieval times i'm still like having a moment about that are you yeah yeah my boobs hurt real bad like thinking about that after i like researched yeah that's a lot and my tongue hurt because of the scolds bridle yeah i feel like everybody's gonna walk away from this feeling really sore my organs hurt because of the iron maiden yeah that's not okay and i felt like i was on fire because of the brazen bull well i'll start mine off with one that's like the breast ripper in the sense that it just gives you everything right up front you don't have to guess what this one is all about okay it's called the head crusher like i said pretty straightforward it's back in medieval times of course sorry i was actually throwing things um so what it was was there was a bar that you would place your chin onto then on top of your head was a cap like device there was a little on top that they would twist and twist and twist and eventually it was like a vice and your head would go crunch pop boom it was pretty awesome so your head would basically pop and it would be crushed and this happened super slowly super painfully and the first thing that would happen stresses me out a lot is that your teeth your teeth would shatter in your mouth oh fuck i hate teeth things yeah and then after that your eyes would pop out of its sockets no yeah no goodbye and then boop dead pop goes so that's good except once in a while if because a lot of these were like illicit confessions or just for punishment so if they were doing this to elicit a confession they might stop after they've popped your eyes out of your head and or like have halfway have popped your eyes and your teeth have shattered and been like okay thank you for confessing like and then you walk away with no teeth and your eyes are like garbage yikes yeah that reminds me of the guy from harry potter with that big old eye yeah that's exactly the same oh and a lot of these now a lot of the ones i'm gonna go over were done for such heinous crimes like homosexuality bye blasphemy bye witchcraft bye yeah so i would have my head yeah no i don't think any anybody would do great so the first big one i'm gonna go over is called the blood eagle oh this one's fucked up i know about this great like hard like dark metal band name oh god so it's probably the most nightmarish thing i've ever heard happening to a human being yourself to your happy place it was popular among vikings the vikings are just fucked up they're known as a very mellow bunch so this is a departure and it's believed to be a very mellow bunch and it's believed to be a very mellow bunch some scholars to be something done as an offering to the norse god of war odin before and after battles so like for good luck or something like you know some people like maybe just wear your lucky socks yeah it's it's the same rub a rabbit's foot pretty much the same day and according to 12th and 13th century scholars it was most popular in scandinavia because vikings uh-huh and it was reserved when it wasn't being used just as like a pump up thing for battle this is just like a pregame as a pregame for battle then it was used for literally the worst of the worst people i don't think anybody's served this but no i don't think so basically the blood eagle went a little something like this no the unfortunate in a captive would be kneeling or laying on their stomach it's already from there yeah not a good position to be in just try to get out obviously they would be restrained in some way to prevent them from getting up or breaking free or trying to get the fuck up after because something bad's gonna happen so first the back was carved nope sometimes it would be carved in the shape of an eagle but that was not necessary but either way that car the thing that was the most important was that they opened up your back in some way that was the main purpose when they did that the victim's rib cage was then cut away from the spine with an axe and subsequently pulled out one by one away from the spine and out through the back and the rib cage was then pulled up to slightly resemble wings which i have not seen a bird flying around with a rib cage shot out of its back but i'm not in scaredness scandinavia so i don't know um maybe birds are different listeners take a picture scandinavian listeners let us know i'm spooked do you have crazy skeleton birds floating around i don't know i want pictures i'm not gonna guarantee it's not a thing picture it didn't happen so you would really have to like suspend reality or give a lot of artistic license for this to resemble an eagle but we're going with it so to make the wing look you know because this this looked like a bird obviously but you could get it more authentic right so to to take it to an entirely new level of suffering oh no the victim's lungs were then pulled out one at a time and laid over the ribs because what are wings without fleshy air bags i mean i'm in a dark place a dark place who hasn't seen a bird flying around with fleshy air bags ready attached to them what's that among us who i don't know bro so obviously if the victim managed to somehow live through this torture which who knows stranger things have happened they would just slowly suffocate to death after their lungs were pulled out through their back on top of that they would rub salt in the victim's wounds because throughout the whole time or just after at the end throughout the whole time because like if you don't season as you go then the end result and you can't throw them in the crockpot yeah it's not any i watch a lot of food now and then i'm like oh my god i'm not gonna work and they are always saying you season that meat you so it's important so what was this for like what did you have to do you're just a bad guy probably it's a real bad guy it has been a real bad guy uh or gal i don't know if they've done i i don't see any records of it happening to gals but vikings man major yikes so that's the blood eagle oh man now let's take a little trip over to the strapido strapido also called corda not sure why corda yeah i like strapido better yeah um it was used to torture heretics witches and anyone else that stepped out of the very fine line of living in medieval times yeah like what could you do basically it's like let me you had a bad day and now you're in the strapido it was used a lot during the spanish inquisition that was a fucked up time it was it was a time it was a moment it was a day there were three main ways in which this was administered the first one was the victim's arms are tied behind their back and they're tied behind their back and they're tied behind their back and their backs with a rope also never a good position yeah no and then the rope is attached to a pulley system and the victim is lifted into the air with their arms inverted which they then dislocate violently behind them now the second method is basically the same as the first except the victims would be stopped in midair several times to increase the pain and suffering they would also cause the victim to jerk around so that they would effectively break the shoulders because shoulders like that's no joke that's pain and then the third method was kind of the same as the first two except this time they you know just add a weight to your ankles so that you really get your joints ripped apart oh my god so that's fun now usually this torture was completed within an hour and it was not used to cause death so these people were then let down and away you go come again soon and then you're just gonna have rotator cuff problems for your whole life yeah that's exactly the issue you're gonna have some busted rotator cuff so that's a strapido the next one is called the rack oh no i know about this shit this one's fun so in the rack a victim would be secured to a board of some sort by having their wrists and ankles cuffed to it no it's never good when you're secured to a board as you will see when we cover john wayne gacy it's never a good place to be nothing good happens attached to a board he's so weird also dean coral i think he's the board oh a lot of boards this was no this was along the same lines it's real bad so then chains would be attached to the cuff and the other end of the chains would attach to a wheel there was a crank that would then turn said wheel and this would cause the chains to slowly tighten oh no now as this happened it was pulling your arms and legs and stretching them goodbye but not just stretching the joints sockets ligaments tendons would all completely snap and crack oh now sometimes they would do it like this and they would do it like this and they would do it like this and they would even go way past stretching and just pull the fucking limbs right off your body fuck you now if they didn't take it that far the muscles would completely lose the ability to contract and at some point this person would be completely unable to move and likely unable to control like basic bodily functions like their bowels i feel like at the end of this they probably just like left them to die like i don't you know what i mean like they're just like yeah i'm not gonna totally kill you but i'm just gonna leave you here because you're gonna die anyway so it's like it's gonna be slow or it's gonna be relatively quick so there were other variations on this method that were common like along with the stretching sometimes the rack would include a bed of nails or spikes so the person would lay upon these sharp objects while they were being stretched what if they just had any spikes left over from everything else they made if they were next to a pile of spikes they would just throw a few on there and they were like let's do this oh and there were spikes everywhere yeah we don't want to waste spikes no hit a certain way plus those now this clearly caused a lot of fucked up noises if you've ever cracked your knuckles cracked your back heard anybody else do it um i broke my pelvis when i was like in summer going into eighth grade and that pop that you hear people like across my summer camp said that they heard it and it was like gross yeah it's no i can like still hear it yeah it's a disgusting and that's just like a small portion of what you'd hear here oh god because so many things would be crock-a-locking well this for this reason torture wasn't only used for the unfortunate person attached to the rack it was also used as a method of eliciting a confession from accused heretics by having them watch someone else be tortured on the rack the sound inside of someone's tendons ligaments and joints just fucking tearing apart and popping all over the place was actually enough torture that it turns out that this was a pretty effective method for eliciting a confession because if you think about it you're fucking wrong you're fucking wrong you're fucking wrong you're watching somebody pulled apart that's slowly messed up and the sounds would drive you mad yeah so yeah that's the rack oh that's the rack the rack and that's a wrap she should be called the ripper the rack ripper ouchie that's what the breast ripper should have been called the rack ripper oh that's funny oh that's funny oh my god that was funny good job incredible you're like sometimes hilarious i am sometimes only a little bit on to the next on on to the next one this one's called the wheel it's also called the catherine wheel or the breaking wheel my catherine because fuck you know catherine you know what she's all about i know this was used during the spanish inquisition okay it was the cousin of the rack the rack and it was intended for the purpose of capital punishment or for torture to elicit confessions samesies samesies so there would be a large wagon wheel where the accused would be stretched out all over just hanging out they would be attached to it some way restrained and then they would be severely beaten with clubs thick branches and you know stuff like that no thanks and because they were stretched out on a wheel with open spaces between all the spokes their bones would fucking break because of all the off angles and it was used for the purpose of torture and then while the tour after the torture was complete in that respect it would continue because the person would then be either removed from the wheel before deaths happened or you would be straight up bludgeoned to death and left on the wheel for everybody to see and then there's other ways where you weren't bludgeoned to death you were just left on that fucking wheel to die after they broke all your bones whoa how long do you think that would take they said they could leave a for days and they would just slowly infection would set in and they'd go starving and hungry yeah but they honestly they'd probably die from the infection too like quick because i think all those broken bones and shit and i'm sure bones were popping through skin and stuff oh god that's nasty yeah so if they were gonna if they were using it for capital like to kill you right then they basically would leave you up there and just keep administering beatings until you finally just died no from the traumas i'm not interested and no matter what you were on public display during all this why do people like to watch shit like that back then shit was mayhem back like people used to like join in on stones and stuff on stones stoning people were stoned back then yeah they were just joining i think they needed to be stoned they did because they used to bring like kids to like public hangings and guillotine my first college english assignment back before i dropped out of college yes back in the middle ages was like a short story about um somebody getting stoned and then we were supposed to write a paper about morals somebody getting stoned like smoking no like somebody getting like legit yeah or like no it wasn't stone it was like a book about like one once a year they would have to like pick a name out of like the town and that person would get stoned or hung it's called like the election or something it's like the hunger games yeah literally but we had to write a paper on it i remember reading it and i was like why am i in college why am i in college and then you were like and then i dropped out well the next one you're like back to reality unfortunate reality is called the heretics fork forks are never good in torture unless you're eating now this was specifically used for people who spoke out against the catholic church during the middle ages bye you know witches heretics all that good stuff yeah basically it was a double-ended fork both ends had two very sharp prongs on them oh no it would be attached to a leather collar device that would go around the victim's neck no this created a situation where the victim could not move their head from a strained upward position and couldn't drop their jaw even a little bit if they did then prongs would pierce their neck and prongs would pierce their sternum area and it wasn't like they would just be like that hurts a little it was like no you're gonna get like impaled by this and it was very simple but very effective and the whole thing was very poetic because it's like you spoke out against the church so now you have to look up at your god that you don't believe in like that was the whole thing you have to look up to heaven and we're forcing you to look up into the sky i feel like but it's still not there i don't see anything except the ceiling it's like please take this off of me god are you there it's me margaret it's me back in the middle ages judy that's where it originated well the next one has a little bit of a religion to it too oh it's called the cradle of judas who's judas again judas is i know this judas is the guy that betrayed jesus to be honest with you i thought that was caesar well it's the same situation like caesar had brutus oh judas and brutus like et tu brute means and you brutus like he turned around and was like and you you are my friend i thought and so judas did the same thing it was theatrical yeah i'm very theatrical i went to theater camp and you had fun in high school no i'm just kidding that actually does sound fun i wanted to be in drama club but my mom worked so i couldn't be i was in drama club for a long time until senior year i graduated yeah i did cheerleading bye exactly exactly see she's trying to hide the real root of the issue well i wanted to do drama in middle school i was only a cheerleader for one year wow it felt like a lot longer sure did you're telling me i'm still dealing with the post-traumatic stress disorder sell the cookie dough sell it sell it make the woo sound at the end of all your cheers jesus you put me through so much hell i did i really did it was self-prescribed though i like i set it up you just made it so easy but i also played softball yeah i did too but i wasn't good and the coach was also your coach and he was like why are you not like elena that's because that's only because i played softball since the time i was like whenever you can start t-ball that's when i started yeah and i played literally every season my whole life yeah fun little facts fun one of us was a cheerleader one of us was a drama nerd who's who who's who but you can't tell you could totally pick us up in a lineup yeah of who was who one hundred percent one hundred percent i'm just glad i don't think anyone is confusing me for cheerleader the cradle of judas oh where did we go we came out of that i think this is not going to be a popular now this one is a doozy and i mean doozy when i say doozy do they hold on to your butts everybody hold on to your butts i'm gonna start saying hold on to your anus hold on to that rectum so this is another creation from the spanish inquisition oh i hope someone gets that reference i'm not gonna say where it's from i kind of want to keep icing your front bum swelling continues if you do not ice don't say where it's from don't say where it's from you know what that's from i want a dm oh i want one please please please we're begging okay so it continues if you do so this device is a wooden pyramid that's raised high on four legs and on top of that pyramid is a spike it's the theme the victim would then be stripped naked and weights were attached to their ankles and then they were hung by their arms and legs high above this device not interested when the torture was to begin they would then be lowered slowly onto the period period you know what i want to know actually because in my mind i was just like not interested like i'm not showing up to my torture day how did they not run away before oh they would rip you out of your house like you weren't getting away i didn't it's not like they were like on tuesday at two i don't know lowered onto a pyramid the middle ages were fooked up maybe people were just so afraid of everything but that's why they would never give you advance notice because in the middle ages they were just like bursting into your house being like you thought an improper thought so we're gonna kick you under this fucking you are wrong sir i'm eating breakfast the cradle of judas for you so yeah so they'd be lowered slowly onto this pyramid which would cause the spike to penetrate their perineum region which is your anus your butt and gravity body weight and the added weights would cause the person to sink onto the stake with no resistance oh god now this torture would last for hours and usually the victim was left on this thing all fucking night natural instinct like if you think about it you're like oh my god if you sit on something that hurts your bum your natural instinct is to like rock back and forth to kind of like alleviate the yeah to be like oh that hurt to try to get yourself off of it kind of same thing with like the iron maiden like we were exactly like your just natural instinct would take over but doing that in this case would just rip the wound larger and sink you lower onto the stake this is like the hemorrhoid from hell they should have they should have called it the hemorrhoid hole maker they should have just called it the hemorrhoid yeah it's just six flags should come out of the ride like six flags should not come out i'm just kidding because i don't want to know the kind of people that would go on that ride it's like dark tourist that's a real dark tourist i just gave that guy an idea for his work i don't even think he's probably like no thank you i do not want to explore that you um so these people would often bleed to death or the infection from the spike never being fucking cleaned between torture sessions would definitely cause a lot of pain and i don't want to explore that oh that's like dysentery right dysentery is poopy pooping a lot like you like diarrhea like so it would cause dysentery no it would cause internal damage death it's not going to cause you to have diarrhea it's going to cause your entire abdomen to explode cesspool are you just saying words what's it what is it if you get like typhoid disease like people just like because like their their waste was on the thing and then it got into other people's little trail of smoke come out of your ears something is my brain just popped in there and you tried very hard to get that no do you know what i mean though like you know what i'm saying like infection yeah yeah but like poop infection is a different kind of infection i mean if you want it to be well it would be it's your bum this is not like this is a spike that's ripping into your internal organs that's where the infection happens not pooping no i'm not saying they're pooping i'm saying it goes in their butt so a little bit of poop gets on it and then the poop gets in your organs for sure so that's where the infection comes for sure and like other bodily fluids right yeah that's all i was saying cesspool but i like it remember when i told that story of me dropping out of college here we are here we sit they're like go back to college oh shit so that's the cradle oh shit the cradle of jesus that's the cradle of judas so that's the cradle of jesus i don't think the cradle of jesus would be as metal i don't know i don't know man so this oh this is the one that's used today you know what i remembered which one it was because i looked at your notes torture by rats that's the one still used this one's still used today apparently i don't know where i'm not going there but it's used i almost just said where after you were like i don't know where i'm not going there i was like where where it happened cesspool typo the victim in this case is stripped naked and lays on a table nope which seems to be just when that happens it's just just count your yeah just go to a different spot go to your happy place because this isn't going to be good then a half cage with an open top would be placed on their stomach with the open top facing their skin and inside that container would be rats oh god next who thinks of this not i like who thought of these things some really messed up people yeah some really messed up people i mean you just i guess it would kind of be easy because you just think of like the worst stuff that would make you what's so wrong with your mind that you would do it to someone exactly this is you know serial killers it's morbid very morbid yeah so this was bad enough because it was just creepy but then the cage where the rats were would be heated in some way oh disgusting so the rats would desperately score scurry around and try to escape the heat well where's the only place they can go inside of your chest it can only go down so this these rats would violently burrow through the abdomen of the victim where the rats would burrow through the abdomen of the victim while they were chained to a table unable to oh goodbye so basically they would like tear through your intestines and once you tear through the intestines forget about it you're septic that's it cesspool yeah you are a cesspool yeah you don't want to you don't want to hit the poop pipe kid that's a line from a really good movie that you should watch called pathology i almost just said called autopsy called not called autopsy but called pathology i think our listeners would like that movie i've seen it it's a good movie it's a good movie and at one point they're doing they hit the intestine and he says you don't want you don't want to hit the poop pipe kid and it's a really good motto for life so there's a variation on this sometimes you hit the poop pipe in your life you do you yeah everybody hits the poop pipe you can have a poop pipe week yeah and it's you know just gotta keep on moving sorry anyway suture that shit up and keep on moving yeah so a variation on this was instead of placing the rats just directly against the flesh they would use a telescope to see if they could get away with it and they would use a telescope to see if they could guide the rats inside the prisoner's body through the rectum or the vagene yeah what yeah they would guide the rats so they would like block one end and stick the other end that way so the only way they were going was up and rats will just be like oh all right i'll just burrow through this i'll burrow through this hoo-ha yeah they don't know the difference though like it's a dark hole did the rats die too probably uh i don't think they would die right away because they're just going in there oh my god it'll be fine so you you would just die with rats inside you pretty much gross yeah they would just like destroy your insides so let's see where do i want to end because i have like two little ones and then one big one and on a high note like a big note okay so i'll go next to the um glasgow smile oh yeah this is scotland our people maybe we don't want to tell them that right now now if you've ever seen the dark knight you've seen one of these you've seen some shit it's also known as the cheshire grin among the london street gangs and originated but it originated in glasgow scotland um basically two small incisions are made at the corner of the victim's mouth and as the victim was beat or stabbed muscle contractions in the face would make those wounds extend upwards towards the ears and make it this big fucking terrifying ear to ear smile if left untreated some people would die as a result of severe infection or exsanguination which is just a cute blood loss exsanguination exsanguination exsanguination yes i like that word but it's awful it's a good word exsanguination i mean it's a bad thing but it's a good word um one famous example of this is the black dahlia oh yeah which it's terrifying and some people there's actually like actors or directors or something one of them that like i can't remember his name but he was a victim of this and they're like a barf like fight a barbara someone and he has scars up like like oh my god dark night yeah i can't remember his name of course i didn't write that down you know what i want to do um because you said the black dahlia i want to do an episode on the cecil hotel and like all the weird shit that's happening oh yeah we'll definitely do this yeah for sure that's a really good one because there's all kinds of crazy connections to that there's so much shit this one's a quick one it's another one that's exactly what it sounds like saw torture so they would do this and they would do this and would tickle you with a feather i saw a picture of this when i was doing the research for mine and the people just look so happy yeah they're psyched they're just like like the people doing that yeah they probably sung uh the victim is hung upside down in this case by their ankles and a saw is used to cut them from the groin all the way to the sternum oh sometimes the poor person would stay alive until they hit the mid midsection or even the chest in some instances because all the blood's at your head well they that's the thing they were upside down so they did that so blood would rush to your head and so that because when that happens you're you're stopping blood loss oh so this person would be able to live and if you're hitting certain spots in the abdomen you're not going to die right away oh god yeah so that's awful no another one i have two more one's a big one one's a littler one and on the big one drawn and quartered oh everybody's heard of this i'm sure it's usually reserved for high treason and it began in 1283 england good band name high treason high treason i like it hello philadelphia we are high treason i like it hello wisconsin i like how you were in boston you picked like two of them you were like philadelphia typhoid so in drawn and quartered victims were often hanged to the point of near death and then taken down they were already like well you're still yeah that's not okay so that sucks and then so they were taken down right before they died and then they were tied to something and disemboweled oh yeah so really just disembowelment is just two extra it's a lot you die from that well then the entrails would be burned and the victim's limbs were then tied with ropes the other end of the ropes are tied to horses and then the horses are just like lightly encouraged to take take off and run oh so boom by limbs um the victim would then be beheaded and the head would be displayed wow extra now a famous one of the uh victim of this was scottish patriot sir william wallace hey he was killed this way after leading the scottish resistance against the english and on august 5th 1305 he was arrested near glasgow and taken to england to be killed as a traitor to the king edward i even though he never swore an allegiance to him so it's kind of so technically he's gonna be a traitor yeah so whatever so yeah that's drawn and quartered now this one will leave we'll leave on a high note or really low note however you want to look at it we're gonna end on flaying oh so this is real and it's not just the sigil for house bolton on game of thrones i thought you were gonna talk to me about bobby flay i love bobby flay so first in a in flaying your skin has to be tenderized the torture you know wants a status you know how when you like peel off like a face mask and it's like all in one sheet that's actually like one and it feels very or like when you peel off a sunburn exactly i know it's like so that's what the torturer was going for he didn't want to have to work for this shit he wanted satisfaction so the victim would either be left out in the hot sun all day while their skin burns or they would be left out in the hot sun all day while their skin burns oh or they would be dipped into a vat of boiling water just until they were almost boiled alive just until they write christy's got the skin nice and loose and it also just like prolonged the experience which is always something they're looking for uh now when they would start to flay you they would usually begin with the face skin so you would have your entire face peeled it's like a super nightmarish chemical peel oh and then cuts would be made around your arms wrists chest neck and ankles because this would make it easier for the skin to come off in one satisfying piece and you didn't want all kinds of little ones because you wanted to be able to display the full all the sheets and it would look like a person's skin so going back to australia like we did last week um i listened once to a case where like this i'm pretty sure it was australia and this lady did that to her husband and then hung him up in the doorway that's fucked yeah that's intense like he did some real shit yeah he did some you know nobody deserves that that's fucked up but like you have to be real mad she yeah she was pissed but she was also like loco into cabeza i imagine she was that's a lot of work yeah well then the cuts are only extended into the epidermis and stopped where the muscle begins oh so that hurts more basically and they knew that back then yeah wow yeah and now in the the ancient An ancient church of Hadstock in Essex actually had a legend of a Dane who had committed sacrilege and he was flayed for punishment. His skin was then spread out and nailed to the door of the church. Wow. As a super subtle warning to others. That's far too subtle. Now, when the door needed repair later, they found pieces of human skin still under the nails. So that's, like, actually happened. Ew. And then at another cathedral, uh, in England, I believe, it's, there's a large slab of human skins, like, on display. And it was of another Dane who was a Viking who tried to steal the church's bell, which, like, yo. Why were you trying to steal the church's bell? And it's like, you tried to steal the church's bell and they flayed you? Like, damn. They were like, don't touch our fucking bell. Now, the reason, I, I'm sure all of you are wondering, like, huh, what would it feel like to be flayed? I'm not wondering that, to be honest with you. I'm sure everyone is wondering, right? Well, I thought I was hungry and I'm not anymore. I'm actually still hungry, but, uh. Of course you are. What's that picture that Vasco drew of you eating a sandwich? Oh, yeah, my friend Vasco, who's an amazing artist, and you should go find him. Vasco Vaz. Yeah, that's a cool picture. He drew a picture of me during an autopsy eating a sandwich. Which is, like, pretty believable. I'll have to post that picture and tag him in it. You should. Because it's a great photo. Um, so, the reason this. It hurts like hell. Is that nerve endings extend really deep into the layers of your skin, and that enables your sense of touch. Mm-hmm. Like, it's why your fingertips are really sensitive. Paper cuts. And if you've ever had a paper cut, you know that shit hurts more than anything. Um, this response is caused by nociceptors, so those are sensory nerve cells that respond to pain. Science. Science. That was loud. Um, flaying involves tinnitus. It's like tearing the skin away from the muscle, not cutting it. Oh. So, it's the ripping motion that means your nerve endings are just, they're not being severed cleanly. Instead, they're just fucking torn to shreds. Oh, my God. So, your nerve endings are just being, like, bombarded. Zip, zip, zip, zip, zip. Yeah, it's not, like, a clean cut that they can, like, recover from. Um, you're gonna feel your skin being pulled off every bit of muscle. Oh, my God. And you're literally gonna feel your nerve endings die. Like, you're gonna feel every nerve ending die. You're gonna feel all of it. So. So, despite the fact that those administering the torture may also be hitting you or hanging you upside down to keep you awake and alert, which they often did, you may lose consciousness from blood loss, from pain and fear, or because your brain is most definitely gonna go into self-preservation mode and just start shutting shit down. Right. Which, thank goodness for our brains. For real. Or you could die from hypothermia, even if it's not cold out. Because you don't have your skin to protect you anymore? Yeah, because your skin is the biggest. It's one of the big, it's the biggest and one of the most vital organs in the human body. And it regulates temperature, it protects all the other organs and systems in the body. So, not only that, but you're exposed completely to infection. Oof. Um, you will definitely die because, because of all that. Without your skin, there's, you can repair and regenerate skin. Without your skin, you are nothing. But once you've lost that much skin, your body can't regenerate that much skin, obviously. There's, there's an interesting story that I. I heard from another podcast that's amazing and you should all go listen to, Lore. I'm sure a lot of people have listened to it. Yes, I love that. Aaron Manke is amazing. He's a great host. And he has the show on Amazon now. Well, that's what I was thinking of. He has a show on Amazon called Lore and there's a story of Peter Stube and he was a crazy serial killer and cannibal who was caught after what they, what was thought to be a werewolf was killing men, women, and children in Germany in the 16th century. Oh yeah, I remember watching that with you. So he's called like a werewolf and well. Really, he's just a dick. So back in 1589, Peter Stube was arrested and formally accused of being an insatiable blood sucker. And evidence was provided that he had, quote, gorged on the flesh of goats, lambs, and sheep, as well as men, women, and children for over 25 years. That's horrible. So when he was caught, he was facing torture. So he confessed to having murdered and eaten, quote, 14 children and two pregnant women. Jesus. So he was a piece of shit. Now you would have thought that he would have stopped there while he was like relatively ahead because he was confessing. Confession. He was confessing. When you confess. You just gotta get that shit out. But, uh, no. He then declared that he, quote, extracted a fetus from a pregnant woman's womb and ate their hearts panting hot and raw. Jesus. And he also confessed to having regular sex with his daughter and having had intercourse with a, quote, succubus centipede. Sent to him by the devil. So his execution was prolonged torture, obviously. Apparently. So flesh was torn from his body in 10 places with red hot pinchers. Ooh. Followed by his arms and his legs. They also pulled this, so they flayed him. Oh, wow. With red hot pinchers. Then his limbs were broken with the blunt side of an axe head on the wheel. So they added in the wheel to this. This is like a nice little, like. They got really crafty for this one. It's like a casserole of torture. Yeah. Just all of it. Throw him in the crockpot lastly. Just throw him in one crockpot. And to, that was to, now to prevent him from returning from the grave, they then beheaded him and burned his body on a pyre. Wow. Now his daughter and mistress were also flayed and strangled and burned. Is that fair? Well, it was as a preventative measure against similar wolfish behavior. As if they were a wolf. So they thought, because they thought he was a werewolf. Yeah. That was the whole thing. They were like, well, they must be werewolves too. And then after all this was done, the wheel was erected on a pole with the figure of a wolf on it and topped by Peter Stube's severed head. Whoa. So that's the story of flaying. And also, Ramsey Snow did it on Game of Thrones. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Remember he did, remember he says it about that, uh. Oh, the kid that they hung up, right? Sansa's, no, it's Sansa's, like, nurse. Remember? She was, like, an old woman. And he says something like, tough old bird. Like, she was alive until he got to her neck or something like that. And I was like, ah. Oh, wow. Ramsey Snow, man. Yeah. Can we tell them our announcement? Oh, yay. We have a fun announcement. Now, we don't have a date for this yet. We're still in talks. But I'm really excited to announce it. So I'm hoping. Don't yell at us if it doesn't happen. So we were watching Dark Tourist. We were watching Dark Tourist. And we were watching the episode where he goes to New Orleans. And we watched it. And he talks to people who are vampires. Right. Now, we recognized this beautiful couple of vampires that are married. They're so dope. They really are. And we were like, wait a second. Where have we seen them before? I literally texted Elena. And I was like, are those the people that were on True Life? And they were. They were on MTV's True Life. Like, two years ago. Like, two episodes. Yeah. Because they were on the episode back in 2014. They were in an episode, Respect My Sect. And it was following Daily, who is. The Vampire Queen of Austin. Uh-huh. And her husband. But it was focusing on her. And then it was in another episode in 2016, True Life, I'm a Witch. Where, like, somebody is part of this court still. So you get to see Daily and her husband, Logan, who's the Vampire King of Austin. They have a Vampire Court of Austin. Where they have, like, more than 50 members, according to the True Life episode. And I'm sure they have more now. I mean, yeah. It makes sense. And they are vampires. And we were fascinated by it. And they seem like they're just, like, so in love. And I love their relationship. Their Instagrams are, like. It's adorable. And also, like, we were kind of inspired by the fact that they are just, like, unabashedly who they are. Well, that's the thing. And, like, it's, like, makes you want to know them. Because, I mean, how many of us can say that we just are unapologetically who we are all the time? And they found each other, which is nice. So we were, like, huh. We reached out to them. And we reached out, talked to Daily, and asked her if she would ever want to speak to us for the podcast. And she was kind enough to say she would, her and Logan would love to talk to us. So we are setting up an interview with the King and Queen Vampire of the Vampire Court of Austin, Logan and Daily South. And we could not be happier. We are so excited. Your dog is making the most disgusting noises next to me. I'm really sorry. We are so excited. We're going to have a date for you guys. We'll let you know. Because I think we're going to do it soon. Yeah. So, yeah. So get excited. We're going to be talking to the Vampire King and Queen of Austin. This is, like, a big deal. We'll do, we'll, we'll kind of mesh it in with a whole episode devoted to vampirism. Because it's a really fascinating subject. Stop looking at my dog. I'm sorry. I'm sure you guys are going to be. Super into. Yeah. It's interesting and awesome. It is really interesting. So, yeah. Look forward to that. 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