Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash and I'm Alina and this is more bad Not in the pod lab nope, we're in Alina's room It's purple. It is purple. It's very comfy in here. It's a nice dark purple. Yeah, I mean deep dark purple I mean in any of your opinion arm and I think that I want to do like everything white with one accent ball But then your room makes me feel like Do I want it to be like darker and home-ier? That's why I like it cuz it's like moody. Yeah, you're a moody bitch I'm a moody bitch, so this works out really well, but this isn't a decorating podcast. It's not what it was Death crime. Yeah, but you know what this one is kind of good because it has a Happy ending. Hey, so I mean there's some this some shit along the way spoiler alert for sure, but We're gonna be doing one where some bad ass lady Somehow against all odds in a situation that none of us could even bad them being in Somehow holds her shit together and survived. Yeah, this case is bananas like bad ass woman alert We are doing the case of Mary Vincent and she is a baller. She really is and We're going to focus mostly on Mary We are gonna talk about her attacker because he did some other shit too that affects her as well But we're gonna focus it mostly on Mary. Yeah, cuz she's a band because she's where it's at There's a little true crime news that I'm sure everybody is heard about by now We might have a new Very prolific serial killer on her hands. He's caught luckily But this could be insane. He could be one of the worst. Yeah, I don't know much about this so film me in so this guy's name is Samuel little He doesn't have three names, but you know, we'll take Basically, he could be one of the deadliest serial killers in history which is crazy He has admitted to Texas Rangers that he played part in more than 90 Unsolved murders in ten states. Whoa So he is 78 years old now and he's serving three life sentences in California for killing three women So he's already he's already away forever and they said that so far They're able to match over 30 cases to him so far. Yeah, and that's like all that they like that's just 30 so far And they said they have no false information coming from him. It's all been up to snap so far. How did they how did they get him? I don't know exactly how he got arrested, but for the three women, but he obviously he got caught for other murders Shit And like I said, he would this would make him one of the most prolific serial killers in US history Ted Bundy confessed to 30 John Wayne Gacy killed at least 33 boys But I think the green river killer had 49 that he was convicted of. He confessed to 71 Whoo, so this guy would pass him which isn't saying Well, he has 30 and how many they've at least been able to connect 30 to him But he's confessed to 90 and he's giving information to police about these nine. How the fuck do you kill 90 people? I'm saying. I guess he started way back in the 70s. The 70s were a wild time. Yeah, they really were He's he's linked to possible deaths in Florida Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Ohio and Texas Wow, yeah, so this is kind of an ongoing thing So it's gonna be kind of one of those things that more shit is gonna leak out as we go but it's Crazy, so we'll definitely be on the lookout for that one and I think the only other thing that's been happening lately is that Chris Watts Shit, the guy who killed his wife and his children and blamed it on his wife because she's dead and can't defend herself He's the male version of a content. Yeah, exactly and now his mother is coming out and saying that the wife killed the kids Like my baby couldn't have killed his whole family and it's like that's exactly why your fucking asshole son is the way he is Yeah, his whole life his mother probably bailed him out of all his shit It's like nope you need to look in the mirror and know that your son is a fucking monster who annihilated his entire family and his pregnant wife because he had a mistress and how do you say that about somebody that's a dead like oh no, they killed a little kid It's like you know not you know what happened that case makes me nuts But yeah, so that's I think that's almost stuff we have to catch up on the case that we're talking about this week is like one of my favorites It is it's such a good one. I heard this case when I first started listening to my favorite murder and I was in my car driving to work On the edge of my seat. Oh, yeah, it's insane like there's um, I'm sure you guys have all heard of a show. I survived It's so good. It's so busy. It like but it's stress. It's very heavy. There's a lot of heavy shit And I can't watch it like live. Yeah, it's hard me too because I need to take a break Yeah, and I have to fast forward through the commercials. Oh, yeah, for sure like they keep you on such a oh my god Yeah, cuz you know you're like I know they're gonna survive but I need to know how And this one in particular I still to I at this moment. I still cannot understand how she got out of this situation Oh, and I mentioned I mentioned I survived because there was an episode about Mary and Vincent Oh, yeah, go check it out because it's a really good episode Let's listen to this first though Keep listening please so what's dive in? September 29th 1978 Again, the 70s man. Damn 70s Mary Vincent was a 15-year-old girl living in Las Vegas She from all accounts. It seems like she kind of had a troubled home life. I don't think there was anything No, excuse I shouldn't say I don't think there's not a lot known about her home life growing up I know she was in a military family. She probably moved a lot At 15 she was kind of at odds with her parents and from what I read it seems like she Ran away from home. This day and she was going to be moved running away to California at 15 Which is like so young to me It's like I think of me when I was 15 and like I can't even you're sorry mom, but I was about to run away from home at 15 There's been plenty of times where I was like I could run away. I could run away 15 is a and you know what 15 is a shitty age. Oh, yeah, I don't know anyone who was like you know what 15 was great year for me I had everything going on. I had it all figured out. They should have shown that's like 15. I survived Because it really is that bad. It is like 15 for me was shit. Absolute shit. Yeah, same So thanks high school bullies or junior high bullies So yeah, so she was living in Las Vegas on this day. She was hitchhiking from Berkeley Which was her uncle's house in California. Okay, and she was hitchhiking to her grandfather's Which was somewhere near Los Angeles. I'm not sure exactly where I also don't know California that well. Sorry, California I was listening to California love. I'm right here. Of course you were of course. You were Or is it RIP or is he living somewhere? I don't think so. Yeah, I know I know I love that conspiracy theory though I'm actually shot at the last podcast on the left just for like a quick little break I was like I couldn't stop listening. Oh, yeah I honestly I love last podcast on the left every case that they have covered they have covered so well like they just did I'm just gonna plug them like like they need it but whatever they just did the West Memphis 3 which we will cover at some point But that's gonna be a very long very research heavy case. Yeah, they did it in like three episodes and they did it so well Because you feel like you know everything about that case, but they did it and you felt like you learned more Yeah, so shout out to them so on this night on this day that she was hitchhiking. She was standing on the side of the road with two other hitchhikers They didn't know each other. They were just all hitchhiking somewhere They all had signs saying where they wanted to go now. This is when Lauren singleton Larry pulled up in a blue van Mary described him as looking like a friendly grandfather type like she was like he's older He looks like he could be my grandfather and he was old enough to be her grandfather So she felt immediately like comfortable, which is not a good thing also apparently he was wearing blue overalls in like here's the thing about old dudes and overalls Don't trust them Well, especially you generally get two kinds of old dudes wearing overalls Either sweet farmer types who just want to tell you the best way to get the beefiest tomato crops or Hillbilly mutants who think you look like their sister. Hillbilly mutants. So no boy now Yeah, I don't get in the car with someone who has overalls like sorry everybody who wears overalls I want a pair of overalls, but don't get in the car with me. Yeah Like just don't do it too much from the Yeah, exactly so Larry was like I only have room for one of you in here me while he had a van Which is Loki alarm or excuse me. Hi key. Yeah, like that's a that's a red flag Sir you have a van. I don't know if you know what you're driving, but it's called a van I am I'm small, but I don't need a lot of room. So already These these people with her were like, yeah, maybe you shouldn't go in
with him, and she was like, "Yo, I gotta get to my grandfathers." - She was tired. She'd been like, you know-- - She'd been moving, right? - Yeah, and she was like, "I'm over this. I just wanna get to my grandfathers house." So Larry was a 51-year-old former merchant marine at the time. He had just been divorced from his second wife and had a teenage daughter that was also 15 at the time. He told Mary this immediately. He was like, "I have a daughter, your age." - I mean, I like you. - Okay, chill. And this further cemented his like, "Nice old, you know, older man." He's a father, like, he has a kid my age. And that's exactly what he wanted. So he told her he wasn't going to Los Angeles, but would happily take a detour to bring her there. He offered to drive her to Interstate 5, which is the fastest route south. And she was so desperate that she was like, "Yep, I'll just get in. We'll do this." So she got in the car. Now, she said it was pretty uneventful for the most part in the car, until, obviously, a big event happened. But at one point, she lit a cigarette and she sneezed, and he immediately reached out to feel her neck and asked if she was sick. Like, he felt her like gland. And she was like, and that fucked her. She was like, "Nope, don't touch me." Like, that's weird that you just felt like you could touch my neck. And she said it made her comfortable, like, uncomfortable, like that weirded me out, but she ended up nothing else really happened after that right away. So she ended up nodding off and falling asleep. - Don't fall asleep if you're hitchhiking. - Yeah. In the 70s, this was totally acceptable. Everyone was hitchhiking, which I think we learned now that that was a bad idea because a lot of these people ended up dead. But now, definitely don't hitchhiking. - You're the reason for hitchhiking. One, don't, two, don't fall asleep. - Yeah. - I'm sure we'll come up with more. - Exactly. So she ended up falling asleep. When she woke up, she noticed that they were not going to LA as promised. But instead, we're going east toward Modesto. So immediately she started to panic. She saw that there was a stick or like a little yard stick or a surveyor stick on the floor of the van. So she grabbed it, held it out and demanded. She was like, what the fuck? You're supposed to be taking me to Los Angeles. - Oh, this makes my stomach hurt. - So he was like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. And he said, he said, I am an honest man and it was an honest mistake. I'm so sorry. - Yeah, right. - So he was like, you know what? I'm going to take you there. I'm really sorry. I just wasn't paying attention. And she was like, okay, well, fucking take me there. So he was like, all right, let's pull over quickly so I can relieve myself and then we'll be on our way. So they pulled over. He gets out of the car and he goes somewhere to piss. She gets out of the car to stretch her legs. And she said she reached down to tie her shoes. And that's when Larry snuck up behind her and hit her in the head with a hammer. - Dear God. First of all, how did she even survive that? - Exactly. And she immediately went out unconscious. When she woke up, she was completely naked and tied up. - Oh my God, I hate this. - Right away after waking up, he forced her to perform sexual acts on him. He also said something really disgusting as he was doing this that I'm not going to repeat because it stresses me out too much. But he was gross. He was a pig. He like shoved himself in her mouth, basically. He then raped her and satamized her. He then threw her in the back of the van, drove to another secluded area and repeatedly raped her again. She recalls at least six to eight times that he raped her and she said it hurt a lot the entire time. - Oh my God. - During this, he also made her drink some weird unknown substance from a plastic jug that she assumes is alcohol, but she said it made her pass out. So it could have been anything. She passed out several times. And when she woke up at one point, he had thrown her onto the ground on the side of the road and forced her to lay down. And now she's naked, completely naked and tied up. She started begging him to set her free because she was like, what's gonna happen next? He said, quote, you wanna be set free? I'll set you free. Then he went to the van, grabbed a hatchet and returned back to her. He then held her down as she fucking fought in scream and chopped her right arm off. He then hacked at her left arm until it was severed just below the elbow. - Oh my God. - It took three strokes of the hatchet to sever that arm off. - Oh my God. - He cut both her fucking arms off. While she was conscious with it, the whole thing, fighting, the whole time. Fucking hacked her arms off of her body. - Like, what a sick fuck. - That is some shit. - And like, what does that mean? Like, I'll set you free by chopping your arms off. - Yeah, he's literally, 'cause in you'll hear, he says it again. So like, he's having to hold this poor nude woman down while she's screaming and crying. And he's hacking her arms. Like, that is, that's beyond my comprehension. - Like, move to this? - Yeah. So she fell on her, onto her back after this obviously 'cause he was like holding her up, hacking at her arms. And she said she's caught a glimpse of him like twisting and shaking his arm. And what was happening was her arm was still attached to his arm and he was trying to fling it off. Yeah, he then rolled her down a 30 foot in bank man and stuffed her into a cement drainage pipe. When he left, he said, okay, now you're free. And this place turned out to be Del Puerto Canyon, which I'm not familiar with, but I'm sure Californians will know. So yeah, he leaves and says, okay, now you're free. - I'd be like, I'm not free. - So I think to him, he was like, oh, you want to be free. I'll untie you. And I'll leave you here and you can get out if you want. Like, I think to him, he was like, you're gonna die, but like, you're free, like, good luck. - What is it? Like, what the fuck is wrong with you, dude? - Blume my mind. (upbeat music) - So he, obviously, he thinks she's dead. She's been wailed on the head. She's been repeatedly raped. And she's had her fucking arms chopped off. And she's been, and she's also been rolled down a 30 foot in bankman. Like, there's so much here. So he left her alone to die and sped off. - He didn't mind that she fucking survives. - Yeah, just keep that in mind. She comes out of this. She is kicking, breathing, thriving today. - She's a bad bitch. - So at this point, she was like, okay, I could die here or I could fight and stop. And in her mind, she said, I can stop him from doing this to someone else. - Good for her. - That was her thought process. Was I can't let him do this to someone else. - How do you have that coherent thought process and so do you see her shoulder fucking arms off? - And it's like fight or flight. And she chose fucking fight. So at this moment, she was like, I need to stay awake. So she forced herself to stay awake because if she allowed herself to pass out, she would just bleed it up. She would just fall asleep and never wake up. Now, think of all those times. You've just been sitting on the couch and you hit that wall of exhaustion all of a sudden and you can barely keep your eyes open. - Now think of that, but your arms have been chopped off. You've been force-fed some kind of weird alcoholic substance and you've been hit in the head with a hammer and raped repeatedly. - How? I don't even know. - Like, I never want to say I'm tired. - Mary's like, fuck you. - Yeah, literally. - So she forced herself to stay awake and she said, quote, he threw me off a cliff. I should have broken bones. I should have blood to death. I didn't and I never passed out. I remember everything. I wanted to give up and go to sleep, but I felt someone there with me, a presence who wanted me to survive, a voice told me to get up and get help or someone else would die. - Wow, girl. - I got chills. - I can't, she's, oh, Mary. - Mary. - Look, I just can't even. - Mary, Mary, quite contrary. - Oh, you are just, I don't know how you did this, man. - So she ended up losing 50% of her body's blood supply. - How did she, how did she not pass the fuck out? - 'Cause she's a fucking warrior. To stop it from getting worse, she packed her arms with mud to cut off the flow of blood. - She said. - First of all, I am 33 years old almost. And I work in the medical field and I don't think that would immediately beat my leg. I need to pack these severed arms with blood. She was 15 years old. - And how did you do that with both of your arms? - Exactly, like you didn't even have. - How the hell did you pack with? - There's just so much about this and I'm like, who are you, what are you? What kind, like we don't deserve you, Mary. - No. - So she walked herself up the 30-foot cliff she had been rolled down without arms. Like think about that for a second. How hard that would be to do with arms, walking up a 30-foot cliff. - I never went without arms. - It took her hours and hours and hours of fighting up this hill with only 50% of her body's blood and a head wound. - Jesus Christ. - And she said it took all day, like a full day to get up that 30-foot cliff. - I believe it. - So she finally reached the, 'cause she said she could hear the freeway above. She just wanted to get there. She's like, I just got to get there. So she finally reaches the freeway and ended up walking for three more miles before seeing a car finally. It was a convertible with two men in it. They pulled over like a little bit but once they saw her, they sped off. And I mean, she was nude. She was completely battered. She had no fucking arms. - She probably didn't even think it was real. - It was bleeding profusely. That's horror movie shit. Like that, and she says to this day, she said she can totally understand why they were terrified and sped off. Like she was like, I do not hold that against like, so she said at the time she was holding up what was left of her arms in the air. So quote, the muscles in blood wouldn't fall out. - Wow. she was holding her fucking, like, what's left of her arms up.
here. Now luckily a couple who were tourists and had like taken a wrong turn like what a wrong turn. Did they on their honeymoon or something? I think they were. I think they were. I've read that a couple of times. Yeah so they might have been on their honeymoon. I think they picked her up and they immediately wrapped her in linens from their car before driving her to a nearby airport and calling 911. Now be I mean because it was the 70s they didn't have a cell phone so they had to drive to a phone. All she could say was quote he raped me over and over again. Oh my God. She went by helicopter to the hospital and at the hospital like she just continues to be like a fucking warrior. She gets to the hospital and she doesn't sit there and be like all right now I'm gonna take a break and like rest of my weary soul right now. She was like nope I can describe this motherfucker to an absolute fucking tea. Let me give you it. So she can describe him so perfectly that the composite sketch of him was like a photo they said. Well posted. Yeah it was immediately released to the media in Larry's own neighbor who was his friend. Like was a friend of his saw it and was like whoa that Larry and they called into the police. I know who that is and it was their friend. That's how clear it was though they were like that's fucking Larry. That's insane. Mary also picked his picture out of six others before the grand jury at one point. Wow. So in 1979 he went so they picked him up. There's not a lot of like how they found him or you know like she she knew who he was she picked him. Look at this motherfucker. That's that's a dude. Oh he did now. So that's good. It looks like a penis. Yeah his nose is a lot. So in 1979 he went to court and Mary testified against him after all she went to at 15 years old. That is insane. Badass. Mary stood up in front of the court pointed one of her hooked prosthetic arms at him and she was like that's fucking him and she will to this day she will only refer to him as quote my attacker. She won't refer to him isn't it. And he doesn't fucking doesn't know he doesn't. So Larry said he was drunk that night and described Mary as quote a ten dollar whore. What the fuck? Yeah. He also claimed that the two other hitchhikers were in the van as well including another Larry. So he said if anything happened to Mary in his van in the blood another physical evidence presented a trial proved that it did. Then he said the crimes must have been committed by quote the other Larry. So yeah. So he insisted I'm being framed. Later when he became a little more forthcoming he mentioned that he had cut off her hands because he wanted to remove the ID. Yeah. Dental records are a thing you fucking ten dollar dumbass. But after testifying Mary quickly left the courtroom and she did this because Larry made a very quiet comment to her and she just rushed out of the courtroom. Later he admitted what he said to her. I remember him. He told her quote I'll finish this job if it takes me the rest of my life. Like oh fuck you. Like are you hit it? Like can you fucking imagine that? No. After all you've gone through the students like I'm gonna finish this like fuck. I feel like I'll finish you sir. She was obviously fucking terrified. Afterwards her parents came to get her but in but she said they were kind of like they couldn't really help. Like they didn't have the relationship that needed they needed to help her. Yeah. They said she said quote yeah and she said quote they couldn't handle it. They took it harder than me. I'm telling them I need you but they couldn't do it. They were more interested in what they felt about what happened to me than what I felt. So Larry ended up being convicted of a whopping number of charges. Attempted murder kidnapping rape, sodomy, oral copulation, aggravated mayhem and the use of an axe to cause great bodily harm. Now at the time he got the max sentence for this which was only 14 years in prison. I'll leave. Like are you kidding me right now? Well it gets worse. All those charges and you get 14 years. Yeah. All those like terrifying charges. Do you shop somebody's arms off? Fucking attempted murder. Like it's insane. He thought she was dead. He left their thinking she was dead. She was going to die. Well it gets worse. He only served eight years out of that because he got off on good behavior. Okay good behavior. You fucking chopped somebody's arms off. Exactly. It's like I don't give a shit. If you always you know keep your cell clean and always say please and thank you to the prison guards. I don't give a shit. You tried to literally rape somebody repeatedly and tried to chop their arm and chop their arms off. And then said it was the other organs. Yeah. Fucking poor other Larry that probably doesn't exist. Well it gets even worse. When he got out he immediately tried to sue Mary. For what? So while in jail he said and this is the way it gets funny. He said he considered the alleged events and he was like nope I didn't do that. Oh my god. He said he remembers Mary threatening to accuse him of rape and that she had brandished a stick at him. He said that's why he became violent. So he filed a complaint suing Mary for quote forcible kidnapped for the purposes of robbery. Are you kidding me? Luckily the courts dismissed it. They were like you're a fucking asshole. So after he got out of jail after eight years, eight years later. Like goodbye. Like she's barely even beginning to cope with this at this point. So while she said she was afraid to stay in one place for too long. She went through a series of bodyguards and she ended up living in a deserted gas station at one point. Holy shit. Yeah like she really like went down a bad path. She said she was depressed. She had crazy anxiety. Of course she did. Her relationships suffered. I mean with family friends and like romantic relationships like it was a really dark time. She eventually had two sons of her own and in her words quote when I became a mother I really had something big to live for and she says they're like what got her? I love it. I mean his release was controversial obviously to Mary but it was controversial to everyone because it was like anybody wanted him to live anyway. Yeah it was bonkers because I mean that's eight years and his own daughter didn't want him loose. Wow. So his own daughter said that he had attacked and abused her and her mother and in fact her mother once told her that she was surprised that she had been born without complications because Larry had beat her mother while she was pregnant with her. Oh my God. Yeah. So when she found out that he was getting out of jail she also fled and hid like Mary did. She asked law enforcement if there was any way they could keep him behind bars. Like what the fuck Florida. Yeah and she recently, well this wasn't this wasn't in Florida. Oh I thought it was. No this isn't California. Oh but I think he goes to Florida. Yeah we're gonna get to that. What the fuck. So his daughter who I'd won't name because I don't know if she wants her name out there. She recently spoke to a woman who runs the site FamilyArrested.com which helps family members of like shitty people who have done awful things. Coped with their own like victimhood. Yeah I'm sure you. Because it's such a it's such a unique experience to be like the daughter of a fucking monster or the sister of a spouse and a mother you know. So she had this to say to this woman about her father it's a big long quote. Six years into my father's sentence I knew he was getting out early as an quote ideal in my inmate. So an 1984 when I was 21. Three years prior to his proposed parole I called the California Prism where he was saying, and it was St. Louis Abysca pose California colony for men. I told whoever I talked to I wasn't sophisticated enough then to take names or notes. That I was afraid my father remained a threat to my safety and was in general still dangerous. When I was 21 I quickly made several changes to my life. I graduated from college with my first degree. I changed my last name legally. I moved from Nevada to California then moved back to Nevada to marry my college boyfriend. When I left Reno I told anyone who my father might possibly contact to try to find me to tell him I quote flaked out or something. Got married to someone they didn't know in left town. I gave them a PO box so we could stay in touch. I realized how naive this sounds today as I write this but I was concerned he might hurt or harass him. When I was about 20 years old with the assistance of a PhD psychology intern I had written a letter to my father telling him I was terminating our relationship. I asked California prison personnel what could be done to keep him in longer and I was told there was nothing. They suggested I retain obtain a restraining order at the time of his release. Sorry but I mean this quite sarcastically. I tell you he was a danger. I said that before the first crime. I've changed my name multiple times in a moving across state lines and you all suggest a piece of paper that will tell him exactly where I am what my name is and not and not to come within say 300 feet above me. The neighbor woman who I had moved in with and lived with from about age 15 and a half until I was 18 had discouraged me both from terminating with the relationship and from considering changing my name. She told me it was my quote responsibility to I don't know not hide. I then and now wonder if she was not motivated by fear of my father. That's insane. That's his own daughter. I've said that so many times but it is so insane. And that's it's like that's his fucking daughter. She was like so afraid. I mean she obviously was so afraid of him like. Oh yeah. And to hear that he not only abused her but abused her mother too. It was before she was born and while she was gestating like that's insane.
Like I would say that it takes like a super fucked up person to like hurt a pregnant person, but this guy literally chopped somebody's arms off. Yeah, so it's like he has no love. He doesn't. I don't know where he would have. It's it's shocking that he didn't start earlier and didn't rack up a higher. I sincerely hope that like there is a hell just for people like this. Yeah, just something something like that. Well, obviously his his daughter was very right to be concerned, because when he got out, when he was paroled, California was like, nope, we didn't want him. So they prost, they protested to not allow him to move into their communities, literally one California community after another told parole officials that they could not relocate him there. He was finally forced to live in a mobile home on the grounds of San Quentin prison until the end of his parole in 1988. So wherever he was going next, he had to register, which he went to Florida. So he had to register with the state of Florida as a convicted pal. His move to Florida where he was originally from was not smooth. He was one of eight kids in his family, originally, and that's where he was from, like I said. So he had a lot of siblings living in California or Florida still, and at first he moved into his brother's home, which soon became a target for people who were like, this is a fucking crazy person. Why is he coming into our community? They had a fire bomb tossed into their front yard. Oh my God. Protester showed up at court hearings where he appeared, because he ended up having some, I think it was like shoplifting charges in Florida, because he just kept being a fuckhead. So whenever he would go to court hearings for that, protesters would show up, because I think between 1990 and 1991, he was arrested three times, shoplifting. At one hearing for these, he described himself as, quote, a confused, muddled-headed, muddled-headed old man. Yeah, your mother was just like, I'm just confused. I just did old man. You don't seem confused. I don't know. You just seem like a giant fucktard. So after living with his brother, his brother was like, yo, you got to get out of here because this fire bomb's being tossed into my yard. So he moved into another home that was owned by his family in Orient Park in Tampa. His new neighbors thought he was a fucking great guy. Oh God. Yeah. His next door neighbor at the time, Tom Bennett, said, quote, we were scared of him at first, but every day he'd talk to you, he'd cook steaks and bring them to you. Don't eat those. He fixed up his property really good. He was the neighbor you dream of. I started to believe him. And he was framed. No, he wasn't. No. Well, they find out that he wasn't. So he, I mean, he lived alone. He spent most of his time just remodeling his house and landscaping his property. Several of his brothers and their wives visited often. He had a dog named Kala, who was a routewiler that he apparently loved. They said he was also solicitous offering to repair neighbors broken mailbox one day. He would go to see his neighbors, like bands play at bar. Like he was very much in the neighborhood, like a party. He was like one of those neighbors that's like in with everybody. He was a townie. Yeah, exactly. Which is crazy. So some of the neighbors knew his, the whole mayor even something, but some didn't. The ones who did were just like forgiving eventually, which is crazy to me. I would insane. I just wouldn't be. If you chop off somebody's arms, you're just not good in my book. No, it's like I just can't for I can't be like, well, maybe he was friendly. No, that's too much. So one of his other neighbors said, quote, we didn't like the idea that something had happened. Like what? But you can't make a big thing about it if you want to give people a chance. Yeah, I don't want to get that many people. I love that they just like, we don't like that something happened. Oh, something happened. He fucking blunt force trauma, brutally raped, chopped arms off and threw a woman off a cliff. Something happened. That's not really like just casual. Yeah. It's just like, you know, we don't love that about him, but we're going to get more tips. I'm going to be like, I'm not going to do it. I don't know. I feel like it's like when somebody's like, yeah, I've been arrested for shoplifting quite a bit. You're like, I don't like that. Don't come to my house, please. Yeah, like don't come around my valuables, but like, I don't like it, but we'll give you a chance. Yeah. This is not so much. I'm guessing three weeks before he ended up being arrested in Florida for something we will talk about in a moment, neighbors had to save him from his van because he attempted suicide in his driveway. His neighbor said he was found breathing the van's exhaust through dryer hose that he had attached to the tailpipe. After this, he spent about a week in a psychiatric ward before returning back to his home. Tom Bennett, his neighbor that said before, like, we were scared, but he was good. He cooked steaks. He was great. He said, quote, he told me he was feeling sorry for himself, but he didn't give any more explanation for what he did. What are you feeling sorry for yourself? Why don't you feel sorry for the girl whose arms you cut off? Exactly. Well, about 6 p.m. on a Wednesday night in February 1997, Hillsboro County Sheriff's official said, a man who had done some renovation work for Larry, dropped by his house, and heard, what you might say is a commotion inside. So he was like, what the fuck's going on? So he peered in through a window and he saw Larry butt-ass naked in the living room choking and punching a woman and stabbing her repeatedly. The woman was nude and on the couch and was screaming for help. Jesus Christ. And he was, they said he was like maniacally just stabbing at her and like punching her and believable. Yeah. He responded to the 911 call, says Larry answered the door, completely covered in blood. And he was just like, hey, what's up? Yeah. He was just like, oh, hey, and the woman was dead. The victim was identified as Roxanne Hayes. She was a 31-year-old sex worker and a Tampa resident and mother of three. Oh, my God. That's the awful. Nobody knows exactly what the whole scenario was if she was there for some other reason or if she was like there on business purposes, either way, it's fucking awful. So the state of Florida flew Mary down for this trial because she didn't have to testify but she was like, oh, I'm a testify, which is like, oh my God. Oh, by the way, Lawrence, I'm a finisher. Yeah. Like, don't worry. She's like, you thought you were about to find something crazy. So she didn't flinch when they asked to identify him. And she said she didn't dare take a deep look, either. She was like, I don't. She said, quote, I wanted to see his eyes. Eyes are important. When he was on top of me attacking me, I was looking at the acts trying to stay alive. I asked later if I could look at him and the eye, but it didn't happen. Which is like, oh, it's like just so a little. So fucked up. No. This time, he was convicted of murder and sentenced to deaths. Good. Unfortunately, he died in 2001 on death row of cancer at age 74, which is a bummer. Yeah. I wish that he actually got to be. I hope he suffered. Yeah. I don't know. Do you know what kind of cancer he had? No, I don't. I tried to look it up, but I couldn't find it. I hope it was the worst one. I hope it was penis cancer. You know, penis cancer. I don't know. That particular one. I hope he had it. Yeah. Do you get for rape in people? Yeah. I hope he just had all the cancers. Yeah. So the prosecutor, Donald N. Stahl, who is now retired, but he said, quote, I'm not going to say he's Hannibal Lecter. But once a guy like that has a certain bend, he follows it for the rest of his life. This guy has a personality that's bent in the direction of going after women. So this case actually helped Donald Stahl, the prosecutor, get legislation in front of the people it needs to get in front of that would make mandatory terms for most violent crimes. And as a result, they can now say that at this time, the shit that he did to Mary Vincent, would it result in a life sentence like that would not happen again the way it happened? Because they're like, they're like, look, we gave him 14 fucking years, which is nothing. And then he got out in eight and he immediately killed someone. Right. Like, this is ridiculous. This is a fucked up thing. So one of his neighbors said, quote, when I found out about what he had done, the first thing I thought was, should I have left that man in that van that day? If I had known, I probably would have at least given it a second thought. Yeah. Because that's the other thing. It's like now all these neighbors who like rushed to help this guy were like, shit. We saved his life and he went on and killed someone. Exactly. I don't blame them for being like, should I have fucking left him in his van? I was like, I killed somebody else and that's why he was trying to kill himself to be with it. Yeah. I mean, we don't know. DNA is in the 70s. It's so hard to pinch it on people. I'm sure this guy killed other people. He could have done some before Mary. He could have done stuff, you know, in between, it's just crazy. So as for Mary, who is the real star of this whole thing, she says that she still has a lot of nightmares. She's still afraid to go to sleep and can't sleep for very long when she. That's right. When she actually does, she says, quote, I've broken bones thanks to my nightmares. I've jumped up and dislocated my shoulder just trying to get out of bed. Oh my god. ribs and some.
smashed my nose. Every day I pray to God to make a space I can breathe in and every day God gives it to me. And she's now an artist. She doesn't have arms and she's a fucking artist. Oh my God. And this is a skill that she said she just happened after this whole thing. She said she couldn't draw a straight line before this. That's a mirror. Yeah. Which is insane. So she does you draw with like prosthetics? Yeah. Like she uses her prosthetic hooks and that's the other thing. She's like a tinkerer. So she makes her own prosthetics to like work with what she wants to do. Wow. Yeah. She said in this I love this. She says she has entered the third phase of this whole ordeal now. She says first she was a victim, then a survivor. And now she's an artist. Which I love. I love that. And as an artist, she focuses on she says she focuses on powerfully upbeat women. She uses chalk pastels and she works in a vein that kind of blends like the Vargas pinup girl style. And she creates her own basically like femme fatale accent figures. Which I just think is so badass. That is. And oh yeah. So like I said, she's like a tinkerer and she makes her own shit. She uses spare parts from broken down refrigerators and old stereo systems to modify them like her prosthetics to be what she needs them like the fingers turn in all directions like and she does it herself. She said quote, I like to tinker. So did my grandfather. He was an artist too. I guess I get it from him. There's all this stuff in the world that's been discarded. If you keep working with it, it will work with you. Which I'm like, I love that. And she she started the Mary Vincent foundation to advocate for teenage victims of sexual assault. Yeah. And she and I'll just end this with a quote from her. She said quote, I've never indulged myself in anger and hate. I wouldn't be here if I had. Not as so fucking big of her because I would be the most angry, hateful person if the shut up. And that's the thing. It's like, how do you not come out of that with so much hate anger? So jeated. Just bitterness. Like just so paranoid of everything. Which I know she probably was is paranoid at times. But like for her to come out and just be like, nope, like I'm not going to just just living her life like the best that she can. And she should a pretty remarkable way. And she must be so fucking annoyed that it's like they gave him such a lean sentence and he went out and killed a woman. Well, because that was her main thing that she like went to trial for so that he wouldn't do it again. And that's the whole reason she survived. Her whole mindset was I have to survive so he doesn't do this to someone else. And then the system let it happen again. After she fucking survived all that shit and like used every fiber and cell in her body to survive that whole thing. Just so not for herself, but for her not to do this or someone else. The system allowed him to just walk out and do it again. So much. And it's like the poor family of, you know, Roxanne. This could have been avoided. This dude should have been out in the fucking. Yeah. Her three children. It's like, this dude shouldn't have been out loose. And I'm sure his neighbors, because I know I read a lot about his neighbors being like, this dude should not have been allowed to live near us. Like this into interact with us and become part of us. Like this is crazy. I'm so glad that this case, which is, I mean, this is all like because of Mary. Like that this case changed things so that this kind of attack is not seen as something that you get a max of 14 years and serve eight years for, you know, like now you're getting life for this kind of shit. Because if you're capable of doing this, you're not going to be rehabilitated. It's just not something that's going to happen. No, no, no, it makes so much sense. It's like that in pedophilia. Pedophilia, you can't rehabilitate it. Like those people need to be like a way from the rest of society. And I know fucking qualms saying that. That's true. But yeah, so that is the fucking bonkers story of Mary, mother fucking Vincent. That is, I can't even. The patron saint of badass bitches. Like she needs her own, you know those true crime candles. Oh my god, yeah. Which also like some day, I hope our faces aren't one of those. That's like my goal. That's the goal. That's the dream. Oh my god. Like just putting that out there true crime candles some day, some day, some day. We'll earn it some day. But she needs to be on one of those pictures. But you have a duck face. No, I would. But Mary Vincent needs to be one of those. Yeah, she does. She needs an I survived candle. She needs to, like she needs to be a candle. That's like the patron saint of badassery. I want that. I'd buy that. I want that. I'd buy that for a lot of money. That's just our little, you know, pitch through crime candles. So yeah, so that was at least that one was a good one. It had, it had a real bummer in the beginning. It had a real bummer in the middle. But like, you know, in the end, he died. At least he's dead. And Mary's a fucking beautiful artist. Yeah. And Mary's just this beautiful, fucking wild flower just floating through and she's thriving. So that's a great one. And we hope you enjoyed that one. We'll do some more of these like fun survival ones sprinkled in every now and then because they're nice. Yeah, definitely gives the grizzly shit, but like it's nice to have that every once in a while to have an end. That's like, yeah, all right. So we hope you guys enjoyed this. Like I said, we want to start getting out some more content. We just have to kind of like make it work for us. But I promise we have so many cases we want to get to. So we really do want to just give you as much as we can. Eventually, we'll try to do two a week. We're definitely going to try to do that. I think we can make it work sooner than later. We just kind of have to. We'll get it. We'll buckle up. We'll buckle it up. We'll figure it out because I know you guys will be psyched to get more. So we want to give you that because you're so amazing. And yeah, so we'll do another bonus episode very shortly. I think we, in fact, I know we are going to hit House of the Thousand Corps because I'm very excited to show Ash that for the first time. And that I love doing that. I love giving you like a first, a first run. Yeah. It was like pretty. You've done it for the last. So I love it. I love being the one to introduce you to this like fucked up shit. So we'll do House of a Thousand Corpses. Our next case is not going to be a survived one. It's a one that I remember reading about like early in my true crime fascination. Not in the right in the beginning, but it's one that I just remember like constantly coming up when I was reading. So we won't tell you about it yet. We'll get it out to you. Yeah, let's do the TZ. Yeah, we'll tease it out. So we'll see if anybody, any of you true crime, aficionados can snag which one it is. If you guess you win. Yeah, if you get, you know what? If you guess it right, you want to we'll give you a sticker. Yeah, you got a sticker. Yeah, we'll get if you guess it right, we will give you a morbid sticker. So we'll put out some teasers and we'll see if anybody can get it. The first person to guess it right. Yeah, the first person to guess it right. Yeah. Because if everybody just repeats the same one of them, we're going to have like 400 stickers. I just feel like that. So the first person to get a right will give a sticker too. You've got a sticker in you. You get a sticker. Everybody gets a sticker. What kind of your chair? There's a sticker. There's a sticker. I imagine if that was part of Oprah's like thing, which is like, and you guys look onto your chairs and they were like, it's a sticker. And she was like, it's a sticker. It's just Oprah's face. Thanks, fucking Oprah. So yeah. Oh, so make sure you guys rate and review and it really helps us out. And you know, hit hit that subscribe button. Find us on Instagram at morbidpodcast. Email us
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