The podcast episode questions why the creative life often feels like a struggle rather than being fun. The host argues that while moments of joy exist, art is not pursued for fun. Instead, creativity is driven by a deeper human need for meaning, challenge, and self-expression. The process is difficult because it involves venturing into the unknown, investing personal vulnerability, and facing self-doubt and external criticism. This very struggle, however, is necessary. It leads to a state of "flow," where time distorts and profound satisfaction is found. The challenges force artists to grow, develop new skills, and transform, making the creative act meaningful. Ultimately, the payoff is not ease or constant fun, but the significant personal and artistic evolution that arises from engaging with and overcoming difficulty.
[Music] Isn't this supposed to be fun? She asked me, "Why does it always seem like there is so much struggle in our creative lives?" I was doing an interview with painter and mixed media artist, Kerry Schroeder, and the tongue-in-cheek question struck me because, well, I have often been asked about dealing with the daily struggle. I like the rare curiosity and sensitivity that would ask why it must be so hard or even to take one further step back and ask, in fact, must it be hard? Must the creative life be a struggle? And if that struggle is inevitable, where's the payoff? Why do we keep subjecting ourselves to this when we could all be doing something so much easier, so much more fun with our time? And are the upsides of the creative life worth struggling through the what feels at times like the many downsides? I'm David Dusheman, and this is episode 79 of A Beautiful Anarchy, a podcast about the challenges and joys of everyday creativity. Let's talk about it. [Music] So let's get this one out of the way right at the beginning. I don't think anyone older than four years old pursues their art making because it is "fun." There are many reasons that we make art and yours might be different from mine. But fun? Fun is a game of twister when we've all had way too much to drink. Fun is laughter and amusement. A word that very literally means "to not" think. Don't misunderstand me. I love fun. I was a comedian for over a decade and I hold laughter as something nearly sacred. And yeah, there are moments when art making can be fun, but I don't think that's why we do it. I think we do it because it gives us meaning because it challenges us. I think we do it because when it's going well and we're in a state of flow, we feel like we're part of something bigger, or we forget ourselves entirely. Time moves differently and we too are moved differently in flow and we're moved to different places, transported, some have said, and certainly at times transformed. There is a sense of joy and accomplishment of discovery and meaning that is so much bigger than fun. And that comes because of the challenges of making art and being an art maker, not despite them. I don't think we make or create because it is fun, but because we are hardwired to do so, I think there is an inner compulsion to build, to transform, to express, and to leave our mark and say, "I was here." And I think there's something in it, some primal instinct within us to make, make homes, make families, make tools and instruments, to make love, to make war, to make changes, to make a way where there is none, and to make meaning, significance. And in those moments, we manage to shine to make something beautiful from out of what so often looks like wreckage. So if we are makers, if it's our nature to create, and if this is what we do, why does it not come more easily? Why is it so hard? It's hard because what we're doing is something we've never done before, not in this particular way. In the context of creativity, what we do is uncertain, and humans have always had an uneasy relationship with what is unknown. We are dogged by doubts and frequented by fears. Will this work out the way that I had hoped? We'll get to that finished thing, require more of me than I have, and force me to become more than I am right now. Will it be received by those for whom I make it? Will it be understood? These are questions we can only ever answer in the making or on the other side of the process. So walking into it on the near side of the process is walking into the unknown. I think it's hard because not only is it unknown, but because it matters, art making is always personal. I think that's one of the things that makes it art. We put ourselves into it, and the more we do that, the more vulnerable we feel, and vulnerability is hard. When we make something and put it into the world, we lay ourselves bare. We open ourselves to criticism, and even when that criticism is directed to our work and not to us, we'd have to be superhuman, not to take it personally, not to internalize what feels like a failure of what we've made as much as a failure of ourselves. The more important your art making the higher the stakes and all the joys and mountaintops of creating, don't exclude the very real fear of the valleys that we experience when things don't go so well. I think we do it because it's hard. Some people climb mountains, some people write poems, or chip away at unseen angels and blocks of marble. We do it because we're not sure we can. We do it because we want to discover not only what the angel looks like, but whether she's in there at all. When asked if he knew what his paintings would look like before he painted them, Picasso replied, "Of course not. If I already knew that, I wouldn't need to paint them." We thrive on challenge. If we didn't, we'd be happy with our plateaus, content to repeat the same things over and over again. The truly unhappy creator is not the one being challenged and wrestling through the process, the tools or the materials. It's not the one worried about how it's going to turn out. It's not the creator who isn't having fun. It's the one who is bored and lacking challenge. Challenge is necessary for flow, and flow is necessary to draw us forward into greater complexity. It is flow and what we learn during flow that makes us the artist that could not until now have created what is currently in front of us challenge and the flow that comes when we bring all of our skills to bear on that new problem is part of what gives us meaning. The sign of the artist at work is more often the furled brow than it is the carefree grin or whatever gives us away when we're having fun. So in light of that, and I can only speak from what I know and have experienced or heard from others, fun is too small a thing to hope for from our work. There is something so much bigger. That doesn't mean there aren't moments of exhilaration, joy, or some ineffable satisfaction. It doesn't discount the moments of laughter that come when the tension breaks as we figure out some next piece of the puzzle. But it might mean we need to run ahead long into the challenge for all that it brings us even to celebrate it for the people it never ceases to mold us into rather than be moaning it. This is not angst, it isn't brooding. Those things are far too self-aware, far too much like woe is me and maybe even full of self-importance, which is hard to avoid without also letting go of the hope that what we do, what we make and that we make it is important. That too makes our creative work a struggle. It's not easy to accept that what we do matters and to live in the inevitable tension between resorting to self-deprecation on the one hand and becoming precious about what we do on the other. That tension creates a high wire that we don't always walk gracefully nor from which we never fall to one side or the other. Even that is hard. It's easy to see how we might now and then wonder why this isn't more fun. So I'm not sure I've even answered the questions that I asked at the top of this episode to my satisfaction, much less to yours. Some questions like these are more important because they are asked than that they are answered with anything very specific. I think we would stop our art making entirely. If in the making of it there was no promise of meaning discovery and transformation. If it all came so easily that it was free from challenge and struggle, if there were no friction or so little to push against that our creative muscles started to atrophy in our minds, I'll turn to mush. The pushing makes us stronger with the struggles that require strength and more creative with the challenges that require different approaches and new ways of thinking, both of which make us more equal to the task. There is meaning in that and hope too. Hope that as we move through life and we make of all the many hard things, ugly things and dark things and things that haven't yet been dreamed of. Hope that we are becoming the kind of people equipped to make of those things. Not something that is only fun but something meaningful and yes, something beautiful.
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The creative process is inherently challenging, not primarily "fun," due to its uncertain, personal, and vulnerable nature.
Artists create for meaning, challenge, and the state of "flow," which provides a sense of accomplishment and transformation far beyond mere amusement.
The struggle is essential; it fosters growth, builds creative capacity, and is a core part of what makes the work meaningful and rewarding.
Summary:
The podcast episode questions why the creative life often feels like a struggle rather than being fun. The host argues that while moments of joy exist, art is not pursued for fun. Instead, creativity is driven by a deeper human need for meaning, challenge, and self-expression.
The process is difficult because it involves venturing into the unknown, investing personal vulnerability, and facing self-doubt and external criticism. This very struggle, however, is necessary. It leads to a state of "flow," where time distorts and profound satisfaction is found.
The challenges force artists to grow, develop new skills, and transform, making the creative act meaningful. Ultimately, the payoff is not ease or constant fun, but the significant personal and artistic evolution that arises from engaging with and overcoming difficulty.
FAQs
Creativity involves uncertainty and vulnerability, as we venture into the unknown and put personal parts of ourselves into our work, making it inherently challenging.
No, fun is not the primary motivation. People create for meaning, challenge, and the sense of flow and accomplishment that comes from overcoming difficulties.
Challenge is essential for growth and flow. It pushes artists to develop new skills and approaches, leading to personal transformation and more meaningful work.
Vulnerability arises because art is personal; putting work into the world opens artists to criticism, which can feel like a personal failure, adding to the struggle.
The payoff includes a sense of meaning, discovery, and the joy of creating something significant. Struggles build strength and creativity, making the process rewarding.
Artists are driven by an inner compulsion to express, transform, and leave a mark. The process offers meaning and hope, which outweigh the desire for mere fun.
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