Episode 76: Battling to Win Sheffield 2026 with Heather Connor

(upbeat music) - Good evening folks, welcome to the episode 76 of the Barbells and BS podcast. This evening we are joined by another other than the Heather Connor, 47 Kilo World Champ, making a return to the podcast, ahead of SBD Sheffield at the end of January. It's all very exciting, we're all very excited, we're all gonna be there, hopefully, catch up on Sheffield after, with, with, with beer instead of like, before with stress, that sounds much more fun. So yeah, we're gonna chat about Sheffield, fun fact, Heather actually messaged us to come on the podcast. So I got that message through and I was like, oh shit, sounds gonna go down. So, I guess stuff to say. - We've got stuff to say and I'm excited for it and you all can be excited to listen. So it's gonna be great and when texted Heather called Heather the other day and said, you got a hot take and she just replied with, yeah, and I was like, oh yeah, this is gonna be good. So without further ado, Heather, let's hear it. What is your spicy take to kick off, 2026? - Okay, so, and I've spoken about this a few times to a few people, so I think it's gonna relate to some and kind of jab a little bit of other people. But if you're somebody where influencing and being in the gym is like your full-time job, first off, cool, you should be good at this sport. I actually think you should be better than you are right now. You should be like, I am up at school at 6.45, all the way to sometimes 7 p.m. Why are we on the same level? - Yeah, I do hear it, I do hear it. I think, I can't remember we've heard something - But you should be good. You have all the sleep in the world, you can eat when you want, you can go to the bathroom when you want, you should be great. Why are we like, oh yeah, I was like, oh, this is what you do. - This feels like-- - I have one bathroom break during the day. - You have one pee break, what the fuck? - I know, that's crazy. - Like imagine me water-loading, I can't. I would get fired for leaving my kids alone. I don't know. - That is crazy, I actually never thought of that. If you, I guess if you're in turn time, you come more, that's crazy. This actually feels in a similar vein to Durin's, I don't know if it was hot take, I think he was just rambling, you know, how Durin's just rambles and just sort of talks. But I think he said something similar about, you know, if you got all this card stacked in your favor, come beat me. - Yeah, I actually like going into worlds, I had like five days. We had just got out of school. And I was like, man, I get extra sleep, crazy. I get to eat and all that when I want to you. And my lunch is not a granola bar. This is gonna be great. And then I go and win. Like, you've had months to do this. - That's how you get the paper of all time is have a stressful job and then just stop working for two days and then compete and just feel so much better than training. - Yeah, like, I hear my name 20 million times a day, you know, last year I was in a class that I took over. We're like, there was a student that would throw desks, chairs, everything. He didn't with me, but, you know, like. - That's the original champion. (laughing) - I might have said one thing to that child and he never attempted to serve that chair. (laughing) But normal feet all day. I'm on my feet all day. I'm with those kids all day. Meetings like, at the end of the day, sometimes it's hard going to the gym, but I'm like, dang, a better get it done or, I guess I'll lose, I didn't want to lose. - There's people to beat. - There's people to beat before PA nationals at like two weeks before that, I had a respiratory infection. And I was like, man, I better get this under control because of your prior. I just try to brush it off, end it up being pneumonia. So I couldn't do PA nationals. So I didn't want the same thing to happen again, 'cause I already have a respiratory autoimmune that takes minor situations and turns them really drastic. And so like, I had actually gotten better a week out from PA nationals and did great, so. - Yeah, to be fair, I know I know a good few teachers and they get, I coach your teacher as well. And that man gets ill more than I can actually fathom. Like it's unbelievable. But he just like, I remember like the past two parapses he's done, he's got ill, like a week out or two weeks out. But we're at the point now, we're like, yeah, this is just normal. Like it'd be fine. - This is normal. I mean, as a teacher, you're just surrounded by parasites and it's someone from the children. - And they always want to touch you. - Yeah, they always want to touch you. - They want to share their food with you. And I'm like, no, that was just in your, I watched your hands go all the way in your mouth. And then like, here do you want to, no, I actually want you to get as far away from me as possible, but. - Would you like to, it's not a tissue, Ms. Connor. I just put my nose in it. - Or just cough right in my face, it's fine. - Yeah, great. We love kids. I mean, I know, Keir, you've got, you've got at least one or two clients who work jobs like that. And I know from your experience, you've had like, like said, the taper of all time. Like, oh my god, this person had four days off. This is like we put trend in their cereal. This is crazy. - That's how it is. - All of a sudden, I feel the strongest I've ever felt. - No, it's a fair point though, 'cause it's like we look at other sports and we talk about all these little things that make up the 1% of what goes into being a great athlete. And then we're comparing to our sports, where it's just so far away from talking about the little 1% when somebody has a full-time job. - Yeah. - Their life just doesn't, for most of the day, it doesn't revolve around being an athlete. And that obviously that has to make a difference, right? Like at the highest level of sport, I think it would be insane to suggest that that wasn't a factor in somebody's training outcomes. - And you know what, like, it's no shade towards the people that are privileged enough to be able to do that full-time, right? Like that is super cool. However, where our journeys are not the same, it's gonna look a lot different. And I do expect you to be better than me, significantly. Like the cards are in your favor. Why are we still level? - Do you find that that almost like motivates you more? Or like, you know, because you know, they have those chip stacked in their favor. It kind of drives you a bit more to that. We're still level and I can still do this, despite what it's like against me. - Of course, let's not even bring up the age gap for a second. But to be able to, you know, still be essentially at the top while doing all of this, it's huge for me. I'm like, yeah, like, I can keep this up for a little bit longer, I think. - Yeah. One thing I'll say though is like, these people who have essentially created like, I guess it's a privilege that they do it, but to essentially make themselves like, almost like a full-time athlete within Powerlifting, they've obviously had to work hard with social media and all that kind of stuff as well. So I want to make sure to give them credit for that, 'cause that doesn't just happen out of thin air as well, and they take risks to be able to do that by not maybe, obviously teaching and other jobs are very hard as well, but they take the risk of not having that certainty to create that life for themselves. But I do get what you mean, once you have it and once you're in it and you are secure, you should be able to take much better strides because you can start those trips in your favor. - If you hear knocking, it's my cat trying to get in here, so you just got to ignore that. - Don't worry, here is a cat that sometimes just like, walks along on the screen sometimes. - Especially if the knocking wouldn't worry, may see if the door handle started turning and opening, then I'd be like, what the fuck are you doing in your house? Yeah, I mean, I think it's a good point. I like it because there is, in powerlifting as a sport now, we're getting to stage where we have professional athletes, we have professional power lifters now, who are influencers, who are professional power lifters. And I think it is great. I think we are seeing a group of the sport, but what I think is also really interesting is how we have people who are still doing day jobs, working their nine to five or six, 30 to seven or 12 to 12, or whatever they're working, that's silly. - Yeah, like you have Taylor Outwood, and this is just like to name a few off the top of my head that I do know what kind of stressful jobs like, and still do amazing things. Taylor Outwood for one, Joe Jordan, his hours are crazy. And mind you, these guys are still dads too, like they still got other responsibilities outside of work and outside of lifting that they have to prioritize as well. So also kudos to them, but you know, it's hard sometimes and just for them to be able to find that energy at the end of the day, 'cause I don't know what time their training is, but I can only assume it's pretty late. It's probably when I'm in bed. (laughing) - Yeah, I remember talking to Jordan's again, he works full time job, got a kid, and he was like, yeah, I'll do squats on my lunch break, and then I'll finish the rest of my session after my kid's gone to sleep at like 11 to 38 night, and sometimes I'll drive to commercial gym after I've done my main movements and my garage at like midnight and do my accessories. And I've always thought when I talk to these people, what do you think, what would happen if they just took that if they just went full time? What if you went full time, you stopped teaching, went full time and said, I'm doing all-in on powerlifting. - Well, you saw the set, like Carl, sorry. - Carl. - Carlina. - No, you're good. - Carlina. - Yeah, Carlina, when we spoke to her, like basically last year essentially, she gave herself an ability to be a full-time athlete for a period of time, or at least reduce her hours a lot. And like, I mean, we saw what she did last year, first place of world games, won the world title, done really well at Sheffield, and you know, she talked about the difference that made, just even in that short window, just from, I mean, she used to just train like the world champion, she used to train three times a week, in this allowed her to train like four or five times. And you do think of that just in terms of training exposures. If you're able to do that and you're able to then recover better, because everything around it is focused on that. Like you, well, you should, like you said, make those straights quicker. But I think it's also just extremely impressive. And that's probably one of the things I love about Powerless Thing as well, is that we have, almost just want to call them normal people, who have these responsibilities, these lines like most of us do, and still reach these unfathomable levels. And it, it's really inspiring to be honest, the fact that you can do that, you know, the fact that that is still in our sport. - Yeah, I think it also is very dependent on the person. Like if you're somebody that works, you know, full-time job and does powerlifting on the side, and then you decide, okay, I want to try to do being an athlete, it's full-time. If you're not a disciplined athlete, you will become a very lazy one. More lazy, you have an all that free time, essentially. Like what are you doing with all that extra time, now that you're no longer working? Are you using it to benefit you as an athlete, or are you like, okay, I'm going to do all these other things, essentially. And still not make that progression. So I think it's depending on who you are as a person as well, and how motivated you are to be the best. - Yeah, but for sure, 'cause I think there's kind of like two types of people that like with that extra free time, what's gonna happen, 'cause I think some people like really rely on the structure of a job, and that's what really regimens them into eating at the same time, sleeping at the same time, doing steps at certain times, and then you open somebody's life up, and it's just that you can do whatever you want, whenever you want, you can wake up when you want, you can eat when you want, you can walk when you want, you can sleep like, and it makes them have to decide all of those things for themselves, and do all of those things in exactly the same way, that they should be doing outside of it. So yeah, that's a good point, 'cause it could go the other way. Like somebody could be working a job, and then open up all this time and somehow just get worse, 'cause they're, they stop doing the things that they would in that routine and have them in. - Are you good? - Yeah, I think it's almost as well, but like I say, 'cause they have that structure, and I even think about, especially during, or even any athlete who's living as much for normal life as pro-year, and what else, is having to be so efficient with their time, and efficient with their training. I can imagine when you're in a session, you don't have a second to not just be focused, like you have a limited window, this is where I'm gonna train, this is what I do, and you have to stay hyper focused throughout that whole time, 'cause you don't have time to waste, or take that extra 30 minutes to do what we do in the gym, and just chat shit before we actually start going, or anything like that. Like you have to make sure it's calculated, and it all goes to plan, which I wonder if that stress and that need for that to maintain that structure actually does make them better, than like say if they, obviously if they had all that free time, it'd be good, but I do wonder if that would make them go the other way. - I feel like it's a personality-based, 'cause I think there's also probably like a mental side to this as well, because as you say, if somebody's able to dedicate their entire day, their entire week, their basic, their entire life to powerlifting, and you're right, like you would expect them to be getting better as a result of that, you would expect them to be doing really well as a result of that. But then equally I can imagine if things don't go well, that probably hits you a lot harder than if you've got a job, if you've got more going on outside of that, versus when your entire life is powerlifting, it's like you get injured, your training goes bad. The mental side of that is probably becomes a lot tougher. And again, I think that very much comes down to the personality, the mindset of the person, and whether they can actually handle that and how they respond to being in that situation. - Yeah, at that point about the personalities, actually a really interesting point, because I guess, I remember listening to podcast years ago, when I first started powerlifting, and they were talking about how old school meatheads, and he was talking about how you shouldn't let powerlifting become your entire identity. You should have things in your life that are not powerlifting. And I wonder if being able to switch those hats, Heather Connor puts on our teacher hat at 430 in the morning or something silly like that. And that is her, you know, your teacher for that. And then you can switch your hat. But, you know, you never really fully switch your hats. You still got your powerlifting mindset in the background. Okay, I probably should eat a granola bar before I go train because otherwise I will feel really shit or I should probably eat something. But in fact, I remember you saying you trained faster or you can pass it. - Yeah, so I will probably get to the gym around like 430 PM. And my last meal was probably at two, like ending. - Yeah, that's great. - Because right after we get back from lunch we're like around 115 and we will start math. And I will then have like a granola bar or something just to sit on my stomach. I'll crack open an energy drink like the kids know, okay, math is starting, she's cracked up with strength. Just to give you like a little extra push to the end of the day. And I will go and train fasted and eat whatever when I get home. But that's why I do wake up at 430 because I know that's when I need to get one of my bigger meals in because ideally during the day it's not happening. I don't eat lunch with my kids because I don't know. I don't want them talking over my food. I just, I don't. So while they're going to like art, music, whatever it is, I'm eating as fast as possible as I can if we don't have meetings and just trying to fit meals whenever I can. But now we're at the point where like the kids, we all call each other big backs because in my class we're eating, like if you're hungry, eat, if I'm hungry, I'm gonna eat. So it's like, like it's no big deal at this point. So I've started to do that with my company at work, is I've just sort of indoctrinated into thinking it's acceptable to eat meetings. Like I was running up to Stairers with my plate of bagels and jam this morning eating and I was just sat in the meeting. It's, you know, 4pm when everybody else is already eating their lunch and they finished eating. Do you ever stop eating? I'm like, not really. No, it's, it's most of my days is consuming food. It's, you know, I eat it seven, I eat it 10, I eat it 12, I eat it two, like 40, it's simply, I was like, yeah, I'll just eat all the time. You'll just have to live with this. And everyone now, at first year, they were like, oh, this guy is fucking weird. And now I'm just sort of indoctrinated and they all accept it. Yeah. Oh, eggs in the boot of their car, in the boot of your car. They're like, and now they just, they get freaked out. I keep eggs in the boot of my car. Apparently that's a weird thing to do. Because I take them to work to eat. Apparently it's a weird thing to do. It's very cold in Scotland. So it's like having a refrigerator outside. Why don't you just have a lunch box? My boot's bigger. And I take 36 eggs to work. Oh, that's a big ass. That's for the week to clarify. I do eat 36 eggs a day. That's, I'm not that level of consuming food. But I just take my week's worth of eggs in at once. Could you imagine if you're going like you're going to do, I'm going to steal whatever's in that car's car. And you open the boot thing and fucking out and grab something great here. It's way protein, a horrible smelling gym bag. And 36 eggs. You shut the boot and be like, I'm leaving this. That's my guy's a freak. That's my deterrent, man. That's my deterrent. And we just take pictures. I went to Rob this guy's car. He had 36 eggs. A bottle of antifreeze and a packet of heroes. I will be mentioning this to my class tomorrow. We talk about weird things. I'm like, hey, man. Because they know I'm getting on a podcast today. You know this guy, he puts eggs in his car. And that's where he keeps them. And they're all going to call you weird, actually. That's fine. All of my colleagues and my friends call me weird too. Yeah, my class, you have to have very tough skin. Like we are. Oof. If you-- some people just can't hang. Like I tell them all the time, like, and it's Connor's broke. Like I spend all my money on you guys. I'm just-- I'm broke. So we have free lunches in North Carolina. The public school system, school lunches free. Unless you want to snack, then you have to pay for it. So I wait for them in the lunch line. Again, this is already after I've made the I'm broke joke. So this girl is like, hey, can I get a snack? And the lunch lady's like, no, you don't got money on your account. I was like, dang. You're broke. And she looks me down in the face. She goes, you're broke. And like the lunch lady looks so mortified. Like, I can't believe she just set this to a teacher. I'm like, now she's-- she's actually right. Like we're just all-- We're just broke and these are my broke friends. It's fine. Well, I hope you do well at your field, thanks. I'm sure you can tell you all about it. You can see we're like, hey, oh, this corner's got bags. I just make sure they always have food and gloves. And that's why I tell them I'm broke, because I'm always getting them snacks. Or like, celebrating for-- I always celebrate somebody's birthday. Because I don't know if they're getting that crap at home. So I want to make sure that they feel good, at least with me. So a lot of my money just goes towards making them fee. And said, and said, yeah, there we go. That's where I share the money we'll be going. Yeah. I'm just imagining they're watching like, oh, Ms. Connor just broke the deadlift on the To-A-World record boys. We're getting paid. We're all getting snacks. Ms. Connor was bringing home the bread. Yeah, buddy. It was like, the lunch lady's like, you don't got money. Heather just steps in, like, don't worry. We're not forever by the count field. Yeah, I mean, my work's to say. You've got to have thick skin at my work. It's not children, it's adults. But my boss walked in this morning and was like, oh, man, you look like shit today. I was like, thanks, asshole. You're just a dick. Yeah. And then he comes to Germany. Here's the same thing. Yeah. Everyone's like, oh, man, you look weak as shit. And I'm like, yep, I am. I actually had to remind my kids that we came back to school. We're introducing to everything. Like, hey, you can't run around the class. You got to do this, like, as if rules never existed, right? And I was like, and let's remember, Ms. Goddard's not going to be here at the end of the month. Don't freak out. And they're like, oh, yeah, your competition. I'm like, yeah. So let's go ahead and prepare ourselves for that. Because they're all ill-crow kids. They all want to stay by my side. And when I'm not there, they'll go in the Google Classroom and just-- Calls Chaos. If I have this, like, it's insane. It's chaotic. Like, I will have a dentist appointment or something, I'll get a message. I can't stand being this other class, Ms. Connor, when you coming back. It's been like two hours and I'm like, tomorrow. It's the end of the day. I'm coming back tomorrow. I said this. And they'll just complain about each other right six, seven a million times. And yeah. Wains, man. How long are you in the UK for, for Sheffield? A little over a week. Oh, that substitute teacher is going to have a hell of a time. They're going to-- Well, the good news is I have one of the coolest class. Like, they're pretty good. But it could be worse. I've seen the other class, and I'm like, yikes, you know? Well, so it sounds like you've got easy for Sheffield that if you go to the kill class, you've got all the chips in your favor. You've got a kill class in case you're fine. You know what I'm generating? Like, just cool. Actually, I'm giving you zero attend for a agreement, because you're fine. You've got a kill class. You know what I'm thinking about? Like, we have a parent teacher messaging app. I'll have some that tell me good night. And I'm like, all right. That's crazy. I mean, I just realized, Billy, you got a clip there. Because Heather just said, I've seen the other classes, and I'm like, yikes. That's a clip for Sheffield. There you go. Oh, yeah. But it's like, yeah, it says in, like, I'm scared or like, yikes. Oh, no, I've been doing, I've been doing my maths. I was sitting here before. I was struggling with my Sheffield predictions. Obviously, with Agatha not being in the picture, the number one slot is a little bit more open. I've been doing my numbers. And I think a lot of people are looking at me in Tiffany. A lot of them. Like a PD has made that very clear, they're like, you know, Heather, I'm like, yeah, I know. You don't say, oh, oh, have I seen her other total sure? That who hasn't? She's both the same total four times now. We've seen it. Yeah, we are not saying it's bad. Let's move on. But Heather, there's no. And you know, it's interesting. And I said this the other day, I was like, when I see people's training and knowing that mine is significantly different, right? Because it has to go around my schedule. You wonder what you're doing is good enough like dang. Am I going to perform? I see all these people doing this. And here I am hitting some Paul squats. But what am I doing? Like if somebody asked me, like, what are you going to squat at Sheffield? Don't know. Don't know, like, your guess is as good as mine. If I had, I do have a number in my head. And it's one of those things, like, I know, and I know, and I know, I know. And most people would agree with me on this. You better hope you hit your third attempt. Because you don't. You've already lost because it's going to be way too close. It's going to be way too close. Yeah, that's that's why I was looking at. But here's the double edge sword. You could play it safe and go for a safer number, but we're still way too close at this point. Like you're betting on me to miss. And I'm, honestly, I'm betting on you to make it. So it does make it a little bit harder for me. I like the challenge, you know, but I am going to be pushing it a little bit on squats to where it's going to make a lot of people nervous. And respectfully, Tiffany is very strong. I would never take that away from her. She's a very strong athlete. But under pressure, she's not the same athlete. You know, and losing to me at world, her first loss ever in the sport, you have these competitions where you're essentially going against yourself. There's no pressure. Imagine the next competition you're going against somebody is the first person you have lost to you. And it's me. And I'm just like, hey. It's always that difference in the actual heat of battle where like, you see someone's close. That's where you really kind of see what comes through. Because when you're dominant, it's on, you've made yourself dominant, so it's not easy to get there. But when you've got someone right on your tail, like you said, it's going to be neck and neck. And it just, that exact quote just reminds of the one from last time, like, if it breaks the ground, you lose on a sentence, you know? And what happened? I genuinely think it's one of my favorite quotes. It is what it is, like, I need you to make sure, like, you better hope there's something wrong with my squad. I highly doubt there is. But you can't just go for that world record. You can. You can. You can. Absolutely 100%. You can. But you know what's going to be too close. So I know you won't. Yeah. I know you won't. Your team won't do that. Well, they know, well, they know, I don't know, I think they might, I think you know, well, I think, you know, we've seen things before. Also, sorry, just touching backfires. I mean, talk about how there's training and, obviously, tips training. I think one thing that I do see from what it looks like with French lifting in general is they love the big, heavy SPDs, right, where it's basically like, can't they? So they get that, like, weekly or end-of-block, like actual training, and yeah, it's cool. But like you said, just because someone doesn't train that way or maybe they're not pushed in their end-of-block SVDs or whatever doesn't mean that their training's not going well, it's just they don't really do that. You know, they do. Yeah, my body would snap. Yeah. I'm not 23 years old anymore, shocker. I'm not, I know you'll see these fine lines. I'm not 23, you know, I think. But, you know, 450, 455 totals and saying, I mean, I haven't hit it. I just sound like I hate her at this point, whatever. What's new? But the thing is, like, you know, somebody tried to say to me, well, you know, the weight cut sometimes gets torn. I don't think the weight cut has anything to do with it at this point. I think like she's physically strong. And I know that she's been working on the mental aspect of things, but how is that going to play out when I'm right in front of you again? Yeah, and she feels on a big stage. Like it's a big stage. I don't know if it's going to be as low as last time. I hope it's not so we can actually hear what's going on, but it's loud, it's hectic, it's, you know, it's the biggest stage in power of them. So again, you might have worked on it, but it's got to be, it's got to be where it needs to be and there's no other way about it. Yeah, like, and obviously like I wanted to do our best, I want to do my best because I do want us to keep pushing that barrier, what is the standard of the 47 kilo glass, right? And I think we both respect. We have to set it so high at this point, to where I'm interested to see where it's going to be at the end of this, like, is she going to push me on my final deadlift, the lake. And it goes into like one of the questions that was being presented to me, you know, would I pull for the cash, like for the world record, or would I pull for the overall win? I think we can combine the two and say, I think I'm going to put myself in a position to not only bring the world record, but also podium, right? Yeah. That would be the most ideal situation. If I'm already secured podium, and she is so far out of reach of me, I'm probably just going to pull for the world record, right? Knowing that I still podium because half three is amazing that that's cool, you know, just being there in itself is cool. But ideally, I would won't vote, but if it's too far out of reach, because realistically, that is a chance if my days just not going as planned, I'm going to do what's going to set me up for a success. Yeah. - For sure. - Yeah. - For sure. All right, fellas, we have to bring you this for taking it. Because we have rabbit hole, which was a great rabbit hole. Let's get to the, let's get to the rate. And so I have the hot take as if you're an influencer, you should be good at the sport. You should be better than you are. Yeah. All right, who wants to start? I'm going to hot seat keyer because he's been quiet. - And should be better than you are. I don't know, that's a bit, I'm kind of struggling with, but I agree with like a lot of what we said in the conversation. And I think the, in fact, the Durant's Russ example is probably a really good one, 'cause I think a lot of people really resonated when he won purely because it was Russ who's this full-time powerlifter, this influencer, got everything stuck in his favor to be the best powerlifter. And then you've got Durant who's, you know, works full-time job. He's a dad and people really resonated with that, I think. Yeah, it's always hard to explain. - And what I mean is you should be better than me. If this is your full-time job, you should be better than me, like without it out. - Yeah, I don't know. I just still think you've got people in your position that work insanely hard and have all the genetics for it. That I don't know if a full-time job can, being a full-time influencer, being a full-time powerlifter can just negate that though. That's the thing. 'Cause it's like, as you say, there's this whole mindset side of things that is so important. And some people just don't have that. But I think just being a full-time powerlifter is not enough to make you amazing or the best of the sport. Like, you have to just have this mindset for it, this stimulus for it that can't be given by circumstances, it's just what you have, I think. So in a complimentary way, I kind of disagree. - That was so polite. I mean, he's that. - I don't know which, yeah. Unfortunately, it doesn't help your score at the end of the day. And the thing that my students who were just blatantly wrong in a complimentary way. - So I'm going to give you a 8.5 for hot take and I'm going to give you, I'm actually going to be like a four for agreement. - Four. - For all the reasons I said. - It's a very nice four. It's a very nice four. - It's a top one, the inner eight for four. - If it didn't ruin my spreadsheet, I'd smiley face next to the four. - Yeah, I'm not going to lie. I'm not caring what to say at first, because I would not have explained it in that way. I'd probably have put you in it. But yeah, I'll go, will I think? - Yeah, I'll go, will I think? - Sure, I'll, I'll go, you know, I'm going to go a bit hotter because it's pretty much a direct point to someone. So I'm going to go like a 9.5 on hot because we're leading the Sheffield, I love it. And then I think I do agree with that a bit more than that. So I'll go a six. But I think, I also think just touching on the switch and hats things that Fraser talks about. I mean, we had a conversation with Angela where he talked about he was injured and the training just wasn't going well. And all he did was he went on a stag dude, like a batch of the party with his mates and switched off from power with him from a bit. And I actually allowed him to get back in the train a bit. And I do think there's something where, like, being able to switch to a sacswell or having other things outside of your life, when maybe things, whether they are or aren't going well, allows you to, again, delve back in that train and really well, if you know how to use it. And I think that can be used in the right way again. It's all down the mindset. But I do think, like, obviously, if you have more time and stuff like that, you should be better. But I still think, yeah, I think it takes more than just, like I said, because you could be lazy with it. You could have all the time in the world and you could just not make the most of it. So I'll go a six. Yeah, I'm going to give you a 9.6.5 for all this in agreement, respectively, for all of the reasons Billy just explained. So I might agree with Keir. But, yeah, the switching hats and the reason the agreement's a little bit lower for me is I think there is a benefit to that. Not, yeah, just a mental benefit to switching off from powerlifting. Because I don't, to be honest with you, I don't know if I could do powerlifting as 100% of my life. I would be so bored. And, you know, all of this is assumption, right? I'm just assuming that these people do nothing, but powerlifting or do this. I mean, they could be doing basket weaving on the side or I don't know, anything, right? This is just an assumption. So before the internet's like, you don't bitch! Like, no, this is just like assumptions because if there's one thing I do know, there's one thing I do know about the French man. They're going to find an opportunity to be mad at me about something. I could say hello and they're like, or good morning, they're like, what's good about it, Heather? Oh, I thought we're going to get, I thought I thought we're going to get a French impression there from here, they're calling it a dammit. I don't think I want to put that on the internet. (laughing) Sakka Blut. I'm not going to lie, see when you said basket weaving there. I just imagined Russell or he sat in his apartment and just sort of weaving basket. Russell or he's too busy posting stories to on everybody, he's handsome. And now he's going on about how handsome and bald he is. Okay, leave that man alone. You know what, he is handsome and bald. He can have it. Yeah, he can have it. He's like, I want him handsome and bald. Did I see that? Just eating hair lines everywhere. Yeah, it's been. So, two of which are in this podcast. Yeah. (laughing) No, no, no, but other people probably. Hair lines for the radio mate, never forget. Hair lines for the radio. All right, so let's touch a little bit more on actual Sheffield. And so, what are you excited for the battle or is you excited just for the chance to be there? Because I think when we spoke into a lot of athletes before, we spoke to Durin's last year about the battle and he said, I don't really care about the battle. Right. Because it's not for a world championship or anything like that. It's not the same battle as it is at Worlds. Right. I'm just there for the experience. Is that kind of how you're feeling going into it or? I mean, no, like, yeah, the experience is cool. Like, you know, everybody's different. Like, the battle is there, right? And I'm not going to deny the battle happening. No matter which way our turn somebody's going to be talking about it. So, it's better for me to just, you know, take it all in and say, okay, I do know there's going to be a battle, but literally at the end of the day, I can only do what I can do and show up as my best form and hopefully that I give the people what they're there to see and it's that battle. And it's a good one. We don't want to see something like all things kind of sucked. Right. But, you know, I think a lot of people weren't expecting that going into Worlds, you know, due to my past stuff. So, I think when you see Tiffany hitting these huge totals, it, like, you know what she's doing. Like, people are expecting her to do this, but they don't know what I'm doing. So, then there's that kind of, well, we know this, but what is it that Heather's doing? Is there stuff that she's not posting on social media? Like, we know that she posts here and there and days aren't very aligned because sometimes I just forget to be posting because I'm busy, but it does lead that question mark, like, okay, she's saying there's going to be a battle, but we're at. Okay, we've seen her squat blow up, but how much has it blown up? Has she hit something that we're just not aware of? You know, and that's when I kind of have to listen, like not so much focus on the outside noise and just, I guess, kind of agree with Durance in a way. Like, I'm here for this experience, but also at the same time, I really want to do well because this was taken away from me in 2020. This is like my comeback moment. And I want to do so well for myself, like, I can't even fully express it. They're just, they're just so happens to be there's a battle there with it, but the experience of Sheffields is the sort of overarching, I can't wait to go and just do the thing that I didn't get the chance to do in 2020. Yeah, I mean, I think also you guys probably have arguably, like the biggest battle on the women's side. Like, I think, I mean, there's other head to heads, but I think between the two of you, it probably has some of the biggest intrigue as well because it's something that we've seen at Worlds. But then there's like, we've got stuff like Britain's Anita, but then it's like, we've seen that quite a few times. Whereas this, I think, has a bit of a unique intrigue to it, which is like, you've only really properly completed like this headhead once. And both of you have made a lot of progress in, so there's a kind of, there's intrigue from that point of view, because we don't know fully what to expect from either of you, I guess, because it's kind of in new territories and also just both of you being in the positions of potential to win the whole thing with that as well. I think it's going to be a contingent of who's going to place first or second. Yeah, yeah. And either way, I'm happy. Either way, you walk away significantly heavier than you walked in. Yeah, your purse is going to be a contingent. My students are getting snacks. Do you get snacks? No, I think as well. That's just amazing from like the '47s, isn't it? Like, to have the lowest bodyweight class be going in the shared field, and it's like, there's this huge battle, there's this huge interest, and both could potentially win. I think that's a really cool side of it, because, you know, we know at Worlds, the lightestweight class always first. Sometimes it's just where they open ceremony, it maybe doesn't get the attention to the serves, but the sheffield, there's noise, and everyone's there ready for you. So it's going to be great seeing you guys come out, and you'll probably both come out quite early on. And I'm so excited for just when the lift are start walking out. It's something just as a fan that is so fucking hype, and I'm sure the lifters feel like it's going to be class. It feels like way for Christmas. Elise, I wanted to get Christmas out the fucking way. I'm just way to the end of January. Yeah, he's also waiting for the end of Sheffield, so he can go get drunk with all the athletes. That's really one. That's the end of Sheffield. We're going to get drunk in the start of Sheffield. Yeah, what do you mean? I get to go ahead and fucking end of block, big squat and bench session, well big squat session, and then fucking go my mates, drink beers in the venue, and watch all my favourite lifters, some of which I'm spoke to, and you just be like, "Egg in the morning." "How fucking cool is that?" It is going to be awesome. I can't deny that. It's going to be so cool. And like I said, it's going to be so good to see you in Tiffany, give the 47k class the spotlight that it deserves. Because we spoke about on the men's side, the 59k class has been a bit of an underwhelming weight class for us. And obviously there are really strong guys in it, but it doesn't get the spotlight it deserves. And I think what we need to see is, we need to see the phenom lifters come through. We need to see the Tiffany and Heather battle to bring me in the tree, to bring the whole fuck. There's two guys in the 59k class, they're both going after the World Record, holy shit. Like Ivan's saying, he thinks he can do 700 at Sheffield. Did he say with Ryan? Yeah, he just said that. That's how I started to go like, "Oh shit, this is a game." Did you see his story? Ivan's-- Did he hear it? He said he was going to show them. Oh, I'll be good to see you real. I think you'll be fine. I just didn't think he was the A700 before that though. I think he's going to be fine. I think he just had like that 690 total kind of took it from him. Yeah. I think he's doing the correct thing and listening to his body and kind of like what you said, you step back a little bit and sometimes it benefits you. And I'm just one of those people that I would never say anything negative about athlete about the compete. I think he's going to do great. I think he's going to hit that 700. And I've already heard about it, so it's happening. That's not what I said. No, it's happening. I've already told it. It's written in the stars, then. It's written in the stars, yeah. It's that one of those things, all right? He's been pushing hard. Like, he has been working as awesome. But we talked about it loads. You run that red line and this-- you play that risk to do what he's trying to do, which is break a long lasting world record, which takes a lot. But maybe push that bit to far. I hope he hasn't. I hope he comes in good. And for the love of God, I hope he breaks it. I really hope he breaks things as well. I would love that for him. I would love that for anybody to break it, because I just don't like the person who holds it. Yeah, that's good. That's good. I mean, it is the longest-standing world record in Palestine. So in terms of coming into Sheffield, obviously, it looks like your squat's blowing up. It looks like your training is blowing up. Have you changed much since Worlds? I actually changed like a week ago. What a good time to change, you know? I was just like, man, something's not-- it's not clicking. Like, something's not feeling right. And so I changed up a technique in like two of the things and all of a sudden. Like, I told Patrick, I'm like, wow. Everything just clicked randomly. Like, it wasn't like it was bad before. Like, everything was just-- it almost felt like it was just stagnant. Like, I was just going through the motions. Like, everything was like, oh, this was something just didn't feel like it was there. And so that's when you have to have that talk with yourself. Like, OK, if I want to see that progress that I envisioned in my head, something's feeling a little bit off. So I changed up a few of my-- not-- it wasn't even like crazy things. I changed up my set-up on bench. And randomly, it started just exploding. And then I simply changed my grip on squats by a little bit. And it created a different shelf that set better on my back. And all of a sudden, my squats just shooting up. So was it more-- it was more technical aspects of your technique? It was more of a technical thing, yeah. No, not like the programming has been pretty similar-- Oh, yeah, the program has been pretty straightforward. You know, we kind of had that same approach going into worlds. The good news is it wasn't such a quick turnaround from like PA Nats two worlds. So we had more time to build. But it's kind of around the same. And we have a heavy deadlift this weekend. But I think my heaviest week is going to be next week. And I'm actually really pretty excited for squat. I say that. And then Kendrick's going to give me something that's real dumb. Don't worry, I'll drop him a message. He just texted me. I'll drop him a message and say, give Heather Carter a heavy squat. Give me something cool. Like, I just didn't want 50. It was fun. He'll probably be like, um, 130. [LAUGHTER] Yeah. You look, 130, I don't want a 10-boot and a pause. Like, I wasn't expecting this actually. [LAUGHTER] And obviously, we know your deadlift is sort of your wild card to play, and you'll-- Yeah. And the thing is, I'm not like-- I'm not crazy overly excited about my deadlift. I'm more excited about squat and bench at the moment, I guess, because deadlift has always been all reliable. And I think that I'm setting myself up in a position to where I might not even-- I might just have to chip the world record and not have to pull something insane. That's what we're trying to go for. That's the scariest thing to hear from a deadlift or the loose up blow is actually blowing up, oh, fuck. Like, yeah, from experience here and that, you're like, no, it's all I have, like, stay away. Like, let me make you have both so I'm crazy. Like, uh, I mean, the fact that we're just saying, oh, I might just have to chip the world record, by the way. Yeah, by the way. Which is a huge world record in the fucking world. Yeah. Which was insane, so beautiful. And that was kind of tough. The windmill on there, forget the windmill. Yeah. But if it breaks the ground, you lose. But you lose it. If I have to pull a third, if 220 is loaded on that bar for whatever reason it has to be loaded, you just better hope it don't break the ground. Because there's one thing I will pat myself on the back for, it is my grip strength. You're not beating that grip. I'm not going to lose on grip. It's just not happening. It will be a strength that you have anything, but not on grip. So if it breaks, I won't keep pulling. I will say, hold it, Heather, see if you do pull 220 and don't fail on grip. If I ever fail a 220 kilo deadlift on grip, then I will quit powerlifting. I'm never doing another lift in the gym again. If I get 220 and win all of Sheffield, I may quit. [LAUGHTER] So we're both just quitting, OK? Well, let's hope that Heather doesn't have to build two weeks. I don't want to quit. [LAUGHTER] I have to quit her. You don't care about me, Billy, then. I'll fuck you. Well, you knew that already. Come on. [LAUGHTER] Oh, yes. I do. So apart from Tiff, then, who else are you thinking is going to be chasing for the podium in Sheffield? Who else have you got your mind on if I can-- I wonder who's going to give us a real run for money here? I never know what Meg Scanlon's going to do. That's a very good point. I don't know what Wake Glass is going to be, and who knows. I hadn't even thought of that. Who knows what Wake Glass makes. You know, she can say this, and be like, you know what? Never mind. I want to be in this class now. So she's always just like somebody that's creeping in the dark where you're just going to be like, where are you doing? Like your way or something. Sarah Naldi. I think she has a special package coming. Her name almost slipped my mind, but I'm like, no. I know her. She's great. I think she's done phenomenally, and I hope that that also showcases on the platform as well. Of course, I want to see Sanita and Brit-- I just think all the girls are going to do respectfully well. But as far as going after those world record totals, I do think we will see-- I mean, it happens all the time. You push yourself to the point where, OK, I want to podium so bad. I'm going to try to do this. And then we might see totals not happen as big as we might imagine. They want to be. But nonetheless, I do think Sarah Naldi's going to come out with something great. You know, Tiffany, of course. Isn't the other Italian lifter? She's competing. Y'all are ready. Yes. Yeah. Y'all are ready. I think she's just one of those quiet people that come around and just do something great. You don't hear a lot from her, but she always puts up a great performance. And I think Sanita's coming in with the mindset that she has something to prove. So she's had a few calls on her, especially that world game squat being overturned. So I know she's really going to be coming after that and really coming back after that world record total. You know, she's able to get it. But those are the, like there's one person not competing that I believe should have been picked. That's not saying that she's better than Meg Scanlon. But if I had to pick someone that wasn't Meg Scanlon, it'd be the other Meg from New Zealand. I think respectfully she earned her spot. She has the 52 kilo world record total. It's crazy total. I think that she would have been a major contender if she would have been there. Yeah. I mean, just being honest as an athlete, she probably would have pushed me into lower on the podium. I think, particularly with Agatha looking like she's unlikely to compete now, I think that would have been a really good opportunity to put her in there. Because that's probably something that we've known for a while. What can she be a reserve? Well, the reserves are on good lift. I don't know if this is like, it's public information. But the reserves are on good lift. And it's Bobby Butters and Zayana from GB, which I guess makes sense because the GB lifters and it's like last minute stuff. But also, I think with Agatha having been presumed to be out of this for a while, it probably would have been a good opportunity for something like Megan Lee Smith. And I can't imagine that's out of the realms of possibility that they could have got her to be at the event or be ready to be there. Because I love Bobby and Zayana, Bobby and Zayana are both amazing lifters. But if you're talking about people who are going to break world records, Megan Lee Smith is going to come and break her world record and she's going to make a show of it as well. Oh, yeah. This isn't like that. That is who I would be going to lift up. If there was a post saying like, Megan Lee Smith is confirmed reserve, I'd be like, shit. There goes some of my plans. I better really log in right now. Because she's she's strongest heck and you know, seeing her progress over the years like it's phenomenal. You can you can only respect it at this point. Right? She could truly be in a position to win the company. I think that's not out of realm. Like I think if she was competing at Sheffield, she would probably win. Yeah, I think the woman's class is in a, it's in a kind of weird position because you've not got in most previous years, you've kind of got somebody that's the obvious winner or the outlier. And like particularly with the men's, most of you, we've had that like we've had this year we probably got hurt who seems pretty far in a way. Clear? Last year we had Shell. And I think the women's are kind of at the point which is almost in a way what you want out of Sheffield where it isn't really like a super low world record anyway. Like they're all kind of about where we want them to be. And it is really just the case of who actually has just really good days. And it is more open for anybody to win. And to be fair, like aside from Agatha, we kind of saw that a little bit last year where everyone below Agatha was kind of just who actually just had a good day, who went right flying, who peveed their tool. And that was typically enough to do well in the comp. And again, I think that's partly like the, was the vision of Sheffield to get there and not have a, you know, it be actually unclear who's going to win. And I think that's kind of where the, the women's is now. I would agree with that. Like you can have your podium spots, but it's all about who's going to show up that day. And, you know, we could all have great days. But who's going to, who's going to have just a slightly better day and mess up that podium. So I can see like if people are, you know, making their predictions, I can see Sheffield, anything can happen. But like you said, with the men's side, you can probably see Perk taking it all, right? You know, you don't have Hazus Oliveras competing. - Yeah. - I didn't think it was funny. I was sitting in the front row at SPD Austin and he gets down with one of his lifts and he goes, "You picked the wrong guy for Sheffield." And I'm like, "Yeah, but the guy that they picked is right there." Nice. - That's crazy. - That's crazy. - I just started laughing because I'm like, "Well, that was really messy, "but you're also like this really big man." And I was like, "You're spending money on that." If I picked the person, you know, like, "Well, that's funny." - We did say on the podcast with Matt Gary that, you know, I don't think Ross, in my opinion, Ross is like, I think he's a pretty good pick. The question pick for me was Gustav. I mean, again, Gustav, brilliant athlete, phenomenally strong. - Yes. - But just, we can't be saying this, just seeing a guy that's biggest Jesus on the platform, squat on a thousand pounds like it's a fucking shopping bag. - It's gonna be weird, I'm not doing it, right? We've seen it every single year. You know, it's always like expected. So it's gonna be actually weird him not being there, but he proved his point and look, he didn't get picked, but he's on track to be there again. And, you know, I'm looking forward to when he is. - Yeah, for sure, like, see you after S.B.D. Austin. I have no doubt that we will see him back in there. - Yeah, I do wish, if I had a pick-a-lifter, I would have picked Hasey's, maybe Nanzo, just because he does have that really big pool, and he could shake up some things. But, I mean, I guess you could say essentially, there's that 93 kilo battle. - Yeah. - Between a barrel and a stop and Russell, and Russell, of course, is gonna bring in the views, right? And we love that. We love the promotion of the sport, and he is a great personality for the sport. But, I do think Perk is the outlier. - Yeah. - And, I mean, Joe Boren's team is pretty cool to you, but I don't think anybody's touching, I don't think anybody's touching Austin. Unless he, I mean, even on a bad day, it would still be kind of hard. Especially with what he just hit in training. - If he puts anywhere close to what he did in training up, not only at any one coming anywhere near that. - In a weird way, like Austin doing kind of terrible last year, really served in his favor, because last year he was unlikely to win, even with a great day, because Shell was there, whereas now he's actually in the position to win, and his training's lined up for him to have that super-meat day. So, almost this is like a verbal outcome, 'cause he could have had a super-meat day a year ago, like him doing near what he's doing now a year ago wasn't inconceivable, but he did it on that platform on that day. He still might have come second. So, now, just a year later, the records really low as a result of him, just not having had to push at Worlds, and him not having that had a particularly good day at Shell field, but he's just in like an insane position, just to go ahead and win the whole thing. So, if anything, it kind of worked out quite well from. - Yeah, like he went into Worlds and just did the bare minimum, which crazy, right? - But didn't set the standard too high to where it would be out of reach for him, chef field, right? And that's kind of like in the position of like Tiffany doing World Games and weighing it at 47.1. - Yeah. - Hey, thanks. - Thanks for that. Really, hey, taking one for the team like this. That's being a girls girl. You know, it was probably only thinking about herself and not making it harder on herself, but I am somewhere in my delusional mind. I want to say I was back there a little bit saying like, "Oh, I'm not gonna make this as hard for Heather either." - All the shit talk, and then we get, she's a girls girl. - I'm not a girls girl girl. - No, as few as just thinking about your students and all the snacks that they're gonna get, if she didn't make the record. - I know. - I know. - Respect. - I was also thinking. - I feel like getting like a banner or something like I appreciate people for when they had always had just like, think about the kids snacks. (laughing) Dude, dude, dude, he's looking out at the bar. We just bust out a huge banner. Think about the snacks. - Think about the snacks. They know they're gonna get it. They know, like, I'll probably just like post like their Google chats to me on Instagram the day of. (laughing) - Well, hey, there's like, look at our photos. Like, damn, she must be looking at something to get hyped up. It's just like, all these messages like, I want the snack really badly, right? - You're gonna get a picture of a kid's empty of current going. Heather, I really, Scott, or I really, you gotta make this, man. I want the Mars bar. - Yeah, literally. Literally that. - I was also thinking this is gonna be the first Sheffield ever where we haven't had more than seven reds on for squat. Unless I don't think I'm at Norton, I don't think I'm at Norton. You might be able to do this for us. But you will otherwise we will-- - We aren't the needy. - Man, just see his Sheffield road to Sheffield clip. - Yeah, yeah. - I had a message him about that because that one got me. I didn't cry, but, you know, I really wanted to. - I don't need such a good dude, man. - He is, Billy's actually so excited to go drink with that guy. - What's going on? - It's crazy because like, my story's coming out tomorrow. Like, it's gonna drop tomorrow. - Ooh. - And our stories are very, very similar. So me and him like had this whole conversation about it, right? And, you know, obviously with some of the things that I've experienced in my past. Like, I don't think that I'm in this whole world of like, nobody knows what I'm going through. They've never experienced hardship in their life. But to hear somebody else speak about it to where there was just such like that common ground. It almost made me feel safe to speak to him about it. Because, oh my goodness, here's somebody that knows exactly, like, because you could even tell like, when he was trying to explain it, it was tough. And I'm like, yeah, like, it's, it's not easy to explain this to somebody who probably hasn't gone through it, you know? Like, me and him were both dealing with mom issues, right? And fortunately enough for me, like mine's still around. But she does have this neurological issue to wear it. I could, I spoke to her earlier. And if I called her right now, she would not remember that. Like, we would have the same conversation over and over. It's almost like 51st days. That's how I explained it to him. It's almost like 51st days where you're reliving the same moment over and over again. So when it comes to these competitions, if you do see me on my phone, it's me just trying to update her every second of what's going on because the second she walks away from streaming it, she's not going to realize, Oh, I was watching Heather. She'll just start doing something else. And I know like her watching me could be is such a big thing for her that I never want to allow her to be denied of that. So like hearing kind of what he had to go through and I was like, man, so me and him are just playing this whole time. Like, no, when we get to Chefil, we're going to sit down and talk and just, I don't know. Let's just have a trauma bond session. Let's do that. Sometimes that's just good. That's just good. But, you know, I was like dang. Anthony really stole my storyline there. (laughing) No, I can't believe I can't believe he got there first. Anthony's not a girl's girl. I should have discussed it. (laughing) We should have discussed it. Now it looks like we just, you know, yeah. Yeah, copy my homework to change it a little bit. Yeah. I think this is like when we spoke to Ryan Lapidar, right? Like, these are the stories that people don't know about. But when you hear them, it just makes all the more impact. Like, we talk about what people do when they're doing this sport and trying to achieve these unfathomable things, almost in human things. But then there's a real human behind it is doing it all. So, what you'll hear in this story, spoiler alert. It's all right. This comes out on Sunday so it's after. Even better. So, first Sheffield, that's when everything happened with my mom. So before Sheffield got canceled, I had scheduled a call to say, hey, I'm not gonna be able to do Sheffield because my mom was in the hospital. We didn't know if she was gonna make it. We didn't know what was happening two seconds from then. And the guilt of planning a trip overseas, not knowing if I was ever gonna see my mom again, was terrifying. So the same day I made that phone call to pull out of Sheffield is the same day I was told that Sheffield was canceled. So they had asked me my order to Sheffield, like, how did you feel when you heard Sheffield was canceled? I was like, oh my God, I was so relieved. I no longer had to just be in conflict with myself because like, it would have crushed my mom to say, hey, I stayed here for you because she would have been like, no, you should have went. I'm like, but when you're in that situation where you don't know what the two minutes down is going to happen, like, there's that way. Like, I mean, I had to make bracelets for her. So she would remember that I was even at that room. I read to her every day, like, brought her her favorite snacks just to trigger anything. Because when there's times when your your mom doesn't remember your name or who you are, and gets defensive, like, who is this person in my room? Who are you speaking to? It's scary. And you know, this was somebody that my whole power lived in career. She, no matter where I was in the world, she was always watching. She had always messaged me saying, no matter what, I'm proud of you. I no longer get those, right? And if I do get it, it's because I have kind of set it up to get that due here. Like, hey, just calling to let you know. Like, I made it to Sheffield, don't forget. Like, I'm competing. And you can hear, like, oh, yeah, like, you're going to do so great. But the next day, hey, just calling to let you know. Like, I'm at Sheffield. I'm competing. And I hear the same thing over. So it's kind of like a blessing in the skies, because I get to feel that joy from her each day. But it's still like that. Like you said, that's the thing that people don't see. They just probably see, oh, Heather's on her phone. Like, what is she doing on her phone? I'm talking to my mom. Like, I'm going to send this text. She, I'm going to make sure that she knows what's going on. And at the very end of my deadlift, she's going to be the person I call. Oh, my gosh, guess what we did. Like, that was how it wasn't world to second. I got service. I called her and she was just like, happy. She was just so happy. And in the very next day, she was like, are you ready to compete? And I'm like, wow, you're not going to believe this. So it's something that, since 2020, I have learned to adapt to. And it's manageable. And it's not anything like maybe in the past. Like, I would break down talking about this. But now, at a point where I'm very fortunate to have her with me. And no matter what, she's still going to be my number one fan. So if she could be there, she would probably be the loudest person I can believe that. I can believe that no knowing anything about your mother, but knowing you Heather, I can believe she would be the loudest person in the room. Oh, there's stories of her. I'm sure she'd be the loudest person at home as well, you know? Yeah, yeah. Like, it's, it's fun. And like, my sister and my nephews are all watching. So it's, it's a very emotional moment for me. And that's why like, when, why lights me, they're like, well, what are you listening to? And it was like this Christian song. It's like, I implement so much of my family to everything I do. Like, when I sit back and think about how much I do it, it's like, wow. I involve them in literally every aspect of this work, every part of it. They are the, they are the ones that know every single thing that's been going on. I see my hard days, my easy days. I mean, they, they know it all. If there was one person that knows all my secrets in the sport, it's my sister. And that's why I never tag her on social media. You'll never get a tag. I mean, I think it's, it's good to have that anchor isn't it? Yeah, those, those, those people that grind you into, you know, reminding you that hard days, good days, they all come, they all go, but having the right people with you to, it matters. It makes, it's so important. Yeah. Whether that's family, whether that's friends, whether that's loved ones, whatever it is, you know, just people that keep you in the know. Yeah. Because that's, that's ultimately the most important part of life is remembering the know. Yeah. And I'm like, even, even in Germany, when I didn't know that my dad got diagnosed with cancer, that was like a family secret, like I swear to God, if you tell Heather, I, I'm going to end the whole family, like it was kind of like one of those situations. So I didn't know until I got back from Germany and he's like, well, I got to tell you something and I'm like, okay, like what is this? And you know, he's had his own health problems with like his heart, all that. So like cancer was like, all right, I did tell them I'm going to get all of them life alerts, you know, you, I don't know if you'll have that over there, but it's like this little necklace that if you fall, you like click it and like paramedics will come because my grandma, my mom, my dad, all three of them and just like a very short timeline, like my grandma did like the most grandma thing in the world, she falls, breaks her head. And I'm like, okay, my dad has cancer, my mom can't remember anything and hear because my grandma's falling and breaking her head. I think, maybe my sister will get pulled everywhere. And the worst part about that was my mom was with my grandma when she fell and over here, they used fentanyl to help you, like they were using it to help her get up, but my mom only knows this fentanyl was like this terrible drug in the US that kills people. So the paramedics are like, we're going to give your mom some fentanyl and she's like, you're not going to kill her? I'm like, please can somebody like an actual adult get to these two women right now? And it wasn't me and my sister like, I was like 45 minutes away while this is happening, like, this is great. Life alerts for everybody for Christmas, paramedics can do what you do with a lot of stuff. Okay. And what the, what the share field money is going to, kids snacks and life alerts. And what the share field and what the people on Instagram who look at your training don't see. Yeah. Like the endless phone calls are like, okay, what family member has done something really obnoxious to really inconvenience my day? Oh, you had a stroke, great. Yeah. About that. You got to live with me for two weeks. Awesome. Just. Which I don't, I didn't mind. I did not mind. God knows I did not mind. Like, it's just, it was like one thing after the other for like, so that's that's settled. So hopefully we can get a foot off the gas of one thing after another for, well, you know what? It's so close now that if something did happen, my family would just be like, I just don't know. So. And you know what? And in some ways, like having a support system like that that allow you to put the support you love at like the pinnacle of your mind, even just for a little bit, yeah, is a blessing. Yeah. For sure. Um, so I think that was most of the questions around sort of the mainstream field point. Um, I didn't have some stuff in here about the rules and I don't know how much I want to chat about the rules because they're not coming into effect until March. And to be honest with you, it's just such a fucking quagmire of mess. But I'm going to touch on one because I got a message from Roomie Grieve that I didn't understand that was just chaos and it's around the celebration rule. So were you, are you planning an elaborate celebration after you squat at Sheffield? Because I got a message off of Roomie Grieve that doesn't make any sense to me. And I'd perhaps come context maybe at worthwhile here. She said, so I'll let you go first because I don't know what I'm going to, I don't know if I want what I want, what I'm going to say is okay to go on the internet. I'm going to wait until you've said something first. So I'm not one of those people that planned celebrations, right? Like it is just like an in the moment thing that happens. And so if I pull this, if I pull something crazy and I finish first, you're probably going to see a lot of emotion. I'm not going to do a back flip and break my neck. I can't risk that. I might just cry, you know, I might just cry and run off stage like I'm not, I'm not going to jump over the bar and crowd serve. That would be fun. Like I said that out loud and like as long as I can get back on the platform and off the platform within like 30 seconds, I think we'd be fine. So just the front row can do a crowd serve with me. But I think that's like one of those in the moment things. I'm not one to throw my belt. I'm not one to beat my chest. I don't that would probably kind of hurt since I literally have no padding there. So ever, um, I don't know. I think I would just cry and okay, you know, well, that's much better than what Romy Grease said. Romy, I'm not asking your question, fucking, rain yourself in one. Was that the message that just said, well, they, she said something and then went for context and it literally gave no fucking context. It was just a weird message. It was the most Romy message I think she might have been on pain meds for her back when she said, I need an off screen. I need to know what this message said. Yeah, I will do that off screen. But that's not something I can say on the internet. That's all I'm going to say like I think that I think with a rule change and I'm going to make this as brief as possible. The internet does what the internet does best. It takes everything out of context. Powerlifting didn't have enough drama in this day and age, like nothing was going on in this moment. So they had to make some, they take something and make it very extreme. Most of these things that were highlighted were things that were already implemented. They were just worded differently. I'm not going to say they were worded well. It's been a role for a long time that you couldn't walk out from the front of the squat. Okay. That's been a thing for a little bit, but we need something to complain about. The belt they're on, that should be, let's, let's be real. Nobody wants to get hit with the belt, Keith Mahoney threw his belt in Colleen, Texas, and he got in a lot of trouble because it almost hit another lifter. I don't, that should be a rule, right? The celebrations, they're not saying you can't celebrate. They're just saying, hey, don't walk up to the cameras, cussing everybody back home out, like we, you can still be hyped, you can still do this, you can still do that, but just make it a little bit more respectful. That's it. Understand that, because we want to be viewer friendly for everybody, right? But that doesn't mean that you have to take away from the excitement of the sport either. The necklace thing I didn't like, I understand the safety in the regards of like biting your necklace, and, you know, if, if you use that, let's say, like in a replacement of a mouth guard, that's probably not safe, the chain can break whatever. But I wear this necklace all the time. I have benched with this necklace on, and sometimes if I don't set up right, this is choking me. Okay. So you will see me adjusting this all the time, so I can see where it can be a safety hazard, but where the IPF went wrong is with the pictures they chose to label it was very distasteful, and it actually really bothered me because I have the utmost respect for job. I have the utmost respect for Carlyna, and you took two very nasty things. You took job wearing her Stanley's necklace, right, you know, and resident piece to him. Like don't do that to somebody. I mean, she lost him right before Sheffield. And then you have Carlyna, who's literally wearing a cultural symbol. I went like that bit made me go to the IPF technical rule book itself as a whole and start reading every single pinpoint, because I want to find the thing about religion. I want to find something about culture and say, okay, where do we draw that that line? And obviously, I mean this with no disrespect, because I want people to be able to practice their religion, their culture, whatever it may be, right? In any way that they choose to in a respectful manner, but in the rule book, if you have somebody wearing a hijab, and they're allowed to wear that as they should be able to wear that, Carlyna should be able to wear something and proudly show that, right? But there's find the difference, find the difference for you just to find, make it logically make sense. And I will leave it alone. I just thought, you know, we call it the Russell or he rule, I think you'll have been funnier if they use Russell, right? That would have just made everything 10 times more funnier, but you chose to use these two examples and it really ticked me off. Like it just put a very bad taste in my mouth and hopefully that was said to them when they decided to postpone the rules. I do think we're going to see some shifts in that. We better see some shifts or I just, I do think it's ironic when I posted my squat, like and I made a story about it all of a sudden there's, oh, we're going to postpone it. It's like, oh, Heather's getting involved. We know she gets pretty messy and she's, you know, she's going to say something really in hand. Let's go ahead and say we're going to postpone it. I'm like, oh, I joined the party and all of a sudden. Like I have people messaging me like, hey, Heather, we're waiting for your response on the IPF rule change. And I'm like, yeah, I'm just trying to get clarification because one thing I don't like being is loud and wrong. So let me figure out these roles first and I promise you, I will make a statement. And that was thing really tick me off. Everything else. I'm kind of like, I think I fully agree. Everything else is kind of a, a small change. I absolutely agree about the celebrations. It was taken to mean the absolute most, the utmost extreme of the rule saying you must walk on and off the platform and exhibit no emotion. Again, that's not what they're saying. What they're saying is, you know, exactly what you said, don't cast and so on. Yeah. But let's keep it a little bit professional and just, I don't think I can't believe that the IPF would not want people to celebrate their achievements by just doing it. Yeah. And aside from that, like this sport is built on diversity. We want people to be able to showcase who they are as an individual and how they choose to celebrate is how they choose to celebrate. We don't need to take that away from them. You know, let the person be who they are, you know, to an extent, right? And be fine with that. Yeah. Be fine with the differences of these athletes. That's what makes the sport great is because we are so diverse. Yeah. But let's not try to make it this white wash thing. It doesn't need to be that. Yeah. Like the necklace one was like, if they hadn't made that post, nobody would even care like, nobody would have really batten eyelid at the fact that your necklace goes under a t-shirt. But then you make that post with specifically those examples. It's like the worst possible communications strategy you could think of. Like the worst way. Like I can't possibly think what went through somebody's head to make them think that that was the best way to make their case. I want to know who chose those two specific pictures. Yeah. Who found these pictures and sent these. It seems like someone who doesn't watch the sport at all, because I think they just chose the biggest necklaces for the photos and are the easiest to see. I'm like, I honestly couldn't believe it when I saw it. And you might as well, honestly, if you're going to do that with the necklaces, especially with the New Zealanders, where you might as well chop most of the team off, because a lot of them have those and they care a lot about them. And I think they'd sooner leave the fed for giving that up because their culture means way more to them than any idea for a lot. But not even just that photo, but that photo with the justification that it's for public perception. Yeah. Like that's truly the most insane thing that you could possibly do. But do you think her Alina wears that to look cool? Yeah. Get a grip. Karina is displaying her a proud Maori culture. Yeah. And you know what? That's a culture that is trying to be eliminated in that country like me. So my whole class had a whole research paper on Karolina's culture, whole research paper. Like Karolina made a whole video for them, speaking their native language, explaining what she does, like everything the class watched it. They did a whole research because we were doing cultures around the world, right? And you know, I'm utilizing my resources and knowing these really cool people around the world. And she was one of them and she explained her necklace. They thought it was so cool. I was sending her some of these research papers and they were genuinely excited to see her wearing that on the platform. So even then I'm like, my eight and nine year olds will be upset about this because they have taken the time to learn about this culture and you're you're essentially saying like, no, that you can't do that no more. Like you're taking away everything that they're fighting for right at this point. It's not cool. But it's like the thing with rules, I think it's less about the specifics of what they've actually proposed. And more just if we're going to have rules, there needs to be a very clear reason why we have a rule. Right. And it can't just be out of like petty power and position. So I think it looks something like that. Yeah. Like the difference between having a necklace over an under your t-shirt feels like petty power and position. Yeah. Like that's clearly not an actual real legitimate safety concern. It doesn't affect the integrity of the sport, the effectiveness of the sport. There's no genuine good reason for it. And sure you can put it in and it's not that big a deal that somebody has to put it on the versus over their talk. But our rule book shouldn't just be like pointless petty things just for the sake of having them. Like that's not how we have a professional sport. That's it. And also I just don't think they should be able to put rules out like that like on a whim. Well, nobody is aware that this was happening. You know, to know the craziest thing, they were enforced from the first of January and released on the second of January. Yeah. Like it's like we prematurely did this. But even then like in the rule book, there still is not a whole section for religion nor culture. And that needs to be addressed. Like we're not going to sit here and deny somebody because of their religion or their cultural beliefs. You know, if somebody wants to wear a head job, if somebody wants to show their cross, like, let's not let's not make it a big issue just like the way the IPF word rules, I could see them trying to do that. I could be even worse obviously like I think that's the thing with a lot, even even like the new bench press rule, like I can see where they're coming from, but they just wrote a terrible a terrible way which led to whole confusion and even like the video they used with the wording of the rule, doesn't really help the interpretation for any referee I imagine or any coach or anyone in the sport. So thank God they've postponed it and I hope they just take the time to consider things and word it better. And if we're going to, I've spoke to a lot of people about this, but if we're going to be a big sport like the ones we're trying to be, you cannot just pop rules out every year, just like, oh, there you go with no due process or no awareness to the athletes or anything. It's just like again, it just makes the sport look so bad when they put a post out about them and you see all these major athletes criticizing it, you know, or at least criticizing the way it's been done. I thought that's not how you get people to start to forget as well. They put these rules out and then everyone went fucking mental at them and they go, oh shit, we fucked up here, which is the, and there's a good thing, they took it back and said, okay, we need to reconsider this. What they should have just done and said, okay, from the first of January, we, we released from the first January, this is a proposed draft rule book. Yeah. For just simply putting proposed in there would have changed the whole dynamic. Exactly. And say to everyone, okay, you've got to march first, submit your feedback. Every member nation gets an opportunity to submit feedback. And then they go away, say, okay, what does the feedback say? And they may say, we don't agree with any of the feedback. We're actually keeping the rule book the same, at least everyone's had a chance to voice their concerns. And then if the people are really that outraged, then well, we can leave the fed, you know, if you're that outraged about it, then they leave the fed. But if the, if I struggle to believe the IPF seeing rule again, I would rage like that from the member nations and saying, okay, this is actually a rule we need to keep in place for the integrity of the sport is absolutely essential that we keep this rule in place. The necklace is a great example. It's essential. We keep this in place so we can keep the sport growing. No, it's not. Right. That is a rule that we can change that will make no difference to the sport. And we'll keep a lot of people happy. I do believe if Gaston was still president, he would have been like, no, double downs. Yeah. He probably would have made it more extreme. Like, at least this new president, he was just like, he were mad at me. Oh, my God. Did anyone listen to that, too? People like tag and give him like, leave that man is probably at home reading his book. Leave him alone right now. But it's good to be able to see that they're like, okay, this is upset a lot of people. Let's take a moment to reassess this. Yeah. Again, I highly feel like if it was Gaston Parage, he would have just double done said, yeah, you guys hear the two lights light, two lights podcast where they'd say them about, do we miss Gaston? Because at least at that point, we had someone to direct it to. Now, it feels like we don't have like someone exact to direct all this anger and rage too. It was, honestly, if you haven't, it's just, it's so funny. It's just the whole segment on, do we miss Gaston? No, we don't. We just have someone having someone to throw the hate out. We do have him for memes. We don't have the new one for memes, but he's such a sweet look at man. You know, I gave him a hug at Worlds, he'll change his mind. I was just like message him real quick, like, what are we doing? You don't really think that way. I'll just gaslight the IPF. It's fine. Yeah. Yeah. That's what you need. Well, see what they actually need is just an actual professional to write a rulebook and not just some guy writing stuff on a whim. Like if they actually paid somebody whose job is to, you know, write standard for stuff, like they. Yeah. That's what I said. The whole rulebook, just like rework it all and have an actual professional doing it and not just whoever's leaving the IPF at the time, just fucking making the old tweets from the bedroom. So I made a point whoever needs to write the rules, like as a teacher, I can explain something to an adult and dumb it down all the way to where a kindergartner can understand it, like a five year old, essentially. You need somebody like that who can also do that for the, the rulebook, because I'm not saying power losers are the smartest people in the world. I'm not saying they're the dumbest, but there are different spectrums, right? And we want to make sure that each one understands what this rulebook, because they're, I think there's just so many questions after what is being read, like what did that mean? We need some clarity. We need to dumb it down enough, like we don't need the rulebook to sound smart. All right. We don't need to know about the shoulder joints and not like nobody cares. So a picture, what you want, don't try to explain it, because you're going to be wrong. We saw that. Okay. Make sure you're spelling is correct, because apparently they misspelled something and it was something about algae. Okay. We need a proofreader. It's just honestly, it needs to be me, is it needs to be me? I need to prove it. It's like this isn't going to work, you guys. I was, I was saying about say make here and Heather, do it together, that's what I was doing. I was thinking about that. I was thinking about the IPF technical committee. Like, how about let's say this instead, like I see where you're going, but let's make it better. Okay. We'll do it in the nicest tones. They will be offended at all. What am I imagine? I'm imagining like, yeah, they're being there in a room, like a school room with the IPF committee. Just be like, if you do this right, you get your snack. You will get treasure box, but if not, you'll get golden time. Exactly. That's what the IPF needs. It's like one of those things where you're not dismissed until you're all quiet. Well, we're not leaving, we're not going to resize until y'all figure out this rulebook. Okay. That would be a long ask classroom. Yeah. There's like, we tell everybody getting in the sport to read the rulebook and it's actually just got to the point that reading the rulebook wouldn't fucking tell you anything. You could read the entire thing back to front and you wouldn't know what the rules are. Yeah. That is fucking insane. That is not how you run a sport. No. And if we're going to be pretentiously telling people to read the rulebook, our rulebook needs to actually mean something and can't just be complicated, convoluted sentences that aren't structured well with the way you pour different meanings of what it could possibly entail. You mean like having an imaginary projection of the deadlift bar that should all might provide your dog me, honestly, like that was honestly one of the ones that pissed me off the most because I was just thinking you couldn't think of a better way to word this. Yeah. It was bad. It was very bad. Yeah. Or it's like the thumb gripping the bar one because I had this wrong until they clarified it because I thought that they wanted interpretation because they added a rule that said your thumb has to grip the bar and squat. And I feel like if you add in red a new rule that says your thumb has to grip the bar and squat. It would be like this. I can't think what else that would possibly mean than your thumb wrapped around the bar. That's not what it means. It just means your thumb contact me. And I don't know to who that means your thumb is gripping the bar. Yeah. That's just not the ordinary meaning of that word. Right. So when I explain it, when I explain it, it's like lifters who want to do thumb is like your thumb doesn't grip the bar anymore, it was around the bar. So I let you use that terminology to explain you're not doing that with your thumb. And then they bring in a rule and put in red it just all honestly. Yeah. Like I contacted an EC member of the IPS and I was like, Hey, ask somebody that does grip like this, you know, not like that. Like I'm still gripping the bar essentially. My thumb is touching it. I was like, I need clarification on this because I squat that way to prevent like my lower lap from just being an absolute pain. I will adapt it needed, but this is what I need to know now. If I need to fix it now, I need to start working on it now. But where it gets really just, you know, it just gives me a headache is one EC person will say this, another EC person will say this. So it's like, which one is it, which one are we picking this correct? And thankfully, it was like, okay, you can have your thumb like this. But that's not what the interpretation is depending on who the referee is. And I think that's, this is going to be very confusing for the bench and everything. Well, the biggest problem is that we don't have EC members, refereeing, fucking, yeah, local competitions. Like if you get called, I'm sorry, Kimberly Wafer does, Kimberly Wafer does, but in general, we have people, but it's like a referee tells you something. And your only justification for why you're correct is a random screenshot from an Instagram conversation with an exec like that fucking doesn't mean anything, like that isn't your actual, that's a meaningless thing. That's just for your own information. And if a referee decided to enforce it differently and they had something that was a seemingly legitimate interpretation of the rule book, but I had a little screenshot of an Instagram conversation, what fucking weight does that carry? Like, how does that help anybody? Right. And for me, like, I know Kimberly is going to be rapping at Sheffield. So of course competing there, I'm like, how do you want this to look? If you are the one judging me, I need to know your answer because essentially, like if I do it wrong, you're going to give me a red light. So let me go to you instead of like these random people who are going to give me a different answer, which their answer can be absolutely right. But I ain't got time to wonder who's right and who's wrong. I'm going to wonder what this referee who's going to be rapping me saying. But you know, with the whole heaving of the chest thing, I've had my opinions on the whole ventral, the bench depth elbow depth things for a while. And I always said like, as athletes, we need to learn how to adapt. Like I get it, you have short arms, this, that, and you know, I could be speaking blindly on this as somebody that just has super long arms for my size and never has trouble with elbow depth. But in all circumstances, you need to be an adapted athlete. And I feel like in the past, we found that loophole where okay, I'll sink it into my chest. And I knew when that started happening, I'm like, this isn't going to go over well. If they didn't like the extreme arches, they're not going to like the extreme sinking. So in my mind, I knew this was going to come about sooner or later. You're enough it does. And then it's a big commotion again like, well, realistically, you should have seen this, like you should have prepared yourself for something like this to happen. Do I, do I think it's necessarily fair? No, because again, I want everybody to be able to, you know, compete to how they can. But I mean, I don't know if I'm even allowed to say the next thing. I mean, for this, there are some nationals coming up where I don't even when the rules are implemented, I don't think the rules are going to be implemented at these nationals. And so I will say that if they are not implemented and you get away with them there, when you go international, you should probably work harder. Yeah. I mean, this is the biggest problem is people are so pissed about the rules that they're just not going to do them. Like the German IPF affiliate literally came out and said, we are not implementing the rules because they're shit and explained shit. So we're not going to implement them until we get clarification. And you know, it's funny for that, and I'm like, you know what, fair enough, if you think your referees can't, would, would not referee in a fair and impartial and well understood matter, you're all you're impacting is lifters who would get unfair, inconsistent calls and that's just like then everyone's wasting time and that's not forget, fucking money. Imagine turning up to your nationals and everyone, you get three different riffs and they all give you different interpretations of the rules and you bomb out because you just spend 100 pounds or 100 dollars or 100 euros and you get nothing for it because the rules are written like shit. It just needs clarification. We need a professional writer, I absolutely agree with both you. That's the end of my ramble. I know we said we touched on the rules a little bit and now we are here. But it's just for me, the upper body thrust one just seems like, like you said, it's like, it's like you put in the shit rule in the first place. So now you're trying to overcrack with that shit rule as well. And this all could have just been avoided from the get go. I mean, we saw that clip from, part of the America, I'm sure a girl did actually get called for it, even what wasn't a rule yet, where she like, you know, thrust it and the ref just took over and went, we don't allow that, which just wasn't the case. And it's just like, like the fact that you're backtracking and then you're backtracking so poorly. And again, I just think like, we know who the bench will really impacted with the high archers, especially the lower weight class women. And then what they're doing is their impact on them again by trying to correct their shit rule. I think we slide on certain lifters. I think we will call it for this person, but if this is a higher level elite athlete, I might be a little lenient because people will get mad at me if I called them on it, which I think call them on it. So standard. Well, I think if you're going to call them on it, you have to call everybody on it. I like what I've seen. I've seen that a lot. I'm like, are we sure? Yeah. Or do we just really like this person? Yeah, I don't like when that happens. But I'm like, see what Pete's fence, Pete's fence is at best. He was like, you made a shit rule. You then and put it in more shit rules. Just go back and say, sorry, we made a shit rule. Let's go back to not having bench depth. All Pete is going to hear is that he was right. Yeah, I know. I love this. That's fine. Pete, you're my best man. He's a smart guy. He's a smart guy. He is a smart guy. I might not agree with every one of his beliefs, but he's a smart guy. When it comes to the sport, I will give him that. I respect the heck out of him when it comes to the sport because, you know, he just tells it how it is, right? It is, it's a dumb rule. And it's created, it's created a lot of chaos. Like, what do we do now? Just say, let's just go back to normal. Yeah. You know, I think the thing is, it actually is just as rule in the same vein as a necklace rule. It's a rule that was written because someone didn't like the way bench press looked. You're going to tell me you didn't like russles big chain. I love that. Who's the hater here? Who's the hater? He's my favorite old Hansel. I just want to sit all the IPF down. Like, who is it? Which one of you dumbasses did? And then I'm going to look at one of them. It was you. No, no golden time for you. No snack. No snacks. Because you're going to see like, it's just like you're going to be one of them cut their eyes like, oh, all right. I think should we wrap up there, folks? Yes. What? No, the last one, just the last one. Okay. If cheffield came down to an arm rassle, tune you in to who's taking home the win? I saw this all my time. Like, I started thinking about everything that arm rassle and tells. I like the deadlift arm. Yeah, I think I would win. But you know what? When I would compete in France, like, during the breaks, they would have arm wrestling straight up out there. So like, maybe they're practiced in this. I'm not. I think I would have to cheat. I think I would cheat and win. It's going to be me. I respect that. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for coming on Heather. It's been an awesome podcast. Really enjoyed it. We're very excited to see the battle at cheffield. Very excited for that. And I don't know if you're coming up planning on coming up party afterwards, but we'll definitely all be there. So hopefully we'll catch up with you then. That will be a site if I even have a sip of drink. I don't. All right. Thank you very much for catching us in the next one.