Episode 682: Clifford Olson Part I - The Uncle Game

There's no place to escape to. This is the last talk on the left. That's when the cannonball some started. You're ready? Who's over? Oh, finally. Finally? Back in Canada. Oh, Canada. We're here. Canada, where kids are killed every day. They are. That's really great. I really didn't know those lyrics until just spent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I love this series because we're back at talking about Canadian police. Yeah. And how they're just all over it. No, yeah, Canadian police. Man, they're just all fucking over. If they spent the little less time picking out crazy hats, they have gone in on line. These are all right. Oh, man. If you guys thought that the Canadian police work in the Robert Pickton series was, you know, dirty, hairy level top notch, you're talking like this is Reacher level. This is Reacher. Yeah. Jack Reacher's on it. Oh, Jack Reacher. Oh, yeah. Okay. Last podcast on the left, ladies and gentlemen, my name is Marcus Parks. I'm here with the Conuck Henry Zabrowski. Yeah. What's going to want to do there? Is that you're listening in your podcast? See? But what you're going to want to do is you're going to want to get a job there. And you're going to want to marry the first girl you meet. And we got Hozer number one, Ed Larson. That's right. I'm here. I'm visiting from America because I don't do voice as well. You're long. You're too long. Hey. Hey. Hey. Perfect. Hey. Nailed the National Character of Canada. Be. They don't like that word. Be. That's that one they. And perhaps our coverage of Canada today will make up for how truly abysmal the Wolverine game is. You don't like it. I hate it. He's coming for it. Wow. Rob's band too. He's coming for it. I hate it. It's the worst camera work I've ever seen in a video game. Wow. It is. It should have been released a year from now after they figured out how the camera works. Wow. Can it be angry? What? The Omega Red comedian. The Omega Red boss fight is already bad and then you make me do it a second time. Fuck you. Oh no. Is this actually the fault of the Japanese? Let's get into it. Yeah. Who's the real buster? The Canadians are the Japanese. Yeah. The Japanese. No. Fuck Wolverine. I'm playing Titanium Court. A game fucking rules. I don't know what it means. I don't know either. But let's support it. I've been getting really into solitaire. It's on my phone. It's a video game. It's just you playing by yourself. And it's like, you know what's in front of the solitaire? Clifford Olsson. Yeah. Right. So for this brand new installment of our long running heavy hitter anthology of serial killers, we're covering a bit of a hidden gem in the annals of true crime history. It is. We're covering the so-called Beast of British Columbia, Canada's own Clifford Olsson. Over a period of just nine short months from the fall of 1980 until the summer 1981, Clifford Olsson raped and murdered 18-age girls, two teenage boys, and a nine-year-old. I'm not going to chair for that. No, no, no. He just got out of there. I'm just going to run it down. I'm going to run it down. I can't do it. I can't do it. Nine-year-old boy. That was the fight. All right. And that's 11 murders overall. But Clifford Olsson's story is far more interesting than that of a simple predator. Olsson was a true agent of chaos in every sense of the term, considering how he conducted himself during both his murders and his extensive criminal career. He was almost on the level of a fictional character like the Joker, but there is another fictional character that could be used for comparison. First of all, this first episode. Yes. Personally, when I was reading about Clifford Olsson's childhood, I couldn't help but think that if Martin Short's classic and incredibly underrated character Clifford from the movie of the same name, if Clifford was a real boy in the real world, that little ball of chaos would be Clifford Olsson. Can't you ever make a normal-- You just be a normal boy. Probably one of the best movies ever made. You are incorrect. And if anybody out there, I make up, please, if someone can find and release the already cut of Clifford, I don't know what I'll do. I'll pay for your-- Or suck your dick. I'll pay for your parents' retirement home. When your parents have to go into a home, I'll pay for it. Dude, you're going to have to fucking pony up. That one's going to be like, this is my dick. Dude, it's an all-rated Clifford cut. I would like to see it. How amazing is that 50 grand? Do you think Mary Steen Merchant get naked in it? Oh, man. That would be amazing. No. But Charles Groten hangs dong. Oh, man. I would love to see Charles Groten that scene from Spedders where that girl's just playing with his dick involved. Now, that would make me respect him more. I'm sure it happened to him. Before Clifford Olson, that's our subject today, before he was exposed as a serial killer, he had gained some small measure of fame in Canada as a prison escape artist. This was back when he was just known for petty crimes like theft and fraud, before he was known as a murderer and rapist, and he would spend much of his time in prison writing letters to government officials pleading early release. Because Clifford Olson was often in contact with government officials, and because he escaped prison over and over again, Clifford Olson was sometimes better known as Senator Rabbit, which is far too adorable of a nickname for a man who murdered 10 teenagers and a little boy. It's too silly. This is another example of Canadian silliness that bakes its way into the judicial system. Calling like he was arrested several times for buggery. Yeah. What is buggery? A buggery is Canadian rape. It's a different cut-er-rape, like the bacon. I believe specifically, buggery is a sawdemy. Oh, yeah. I think it might be anal. No, I think it's just sawdemy in general. Oh, yeah. He was too selfish. He never got, they never got him for tugggery. No, no. That's when you do reach it around. That's if you're pulling too hard on a unproperly regulated, towing device. Yeah. It's like being too much of a gentleman. Yeah. Oh, that's a good murder-fishing name for you, like, uh, yeah, tuggery. Tuckery Johnson. Tuckery? Yeah, Tuckery Johnson ball dredgable. Tuckery Johnson ball dredgable. Yeah. I mean, it gets you on Pounson, which is what they also call rape, Pounson, really, you know, you can't make a rape sound cuter. No, it's really, it's really, or giving her to the baby, the old, get her, give it to her, huh? Yeah. Yeah. When they do it with a, with a guy raping a guy, it's, uh, having a go, eh? Yeah. He's having a go. He's having a go. Oh, okay. Brick it up. Brick it up. Brick it up. You're right. The entire Canadian justice system is like, you know, just dealing with fifth graders. Yeah. Clifford Olson was not a conventionally intelligent man. As a kid, he wrote the short bus to school and due to a dyslexic condition that he refused to manage or improve, he often mixed up words. For example, he routinely referred to anal sex as annual sex, and he-- What the hell's on how often you do it? The way I do it, it should be called daily sex. But he did that with all seriousness. But while Olson's conventional intelligence was low, he made up for it with extremely high social intelligence and an impeccable memory. He was also a pure sociopath. I read that in the psychopath test, he scored some-- it was like 38 out of 40. In this combination of natural talents, made Clifford Olson a master at running scams and manipulating people. Clifford Olson was such a successful scammer that he infamously convinced the Canadian government. After he was caught as a serial killer, mind you, to pay him $10,000 each for the eleven locations where he dumped the bodies of his victims. This would become the infamous bodies for cash scandal. Like some sort of fucking greasy salesman Olson told the Royal Canadian mountain police that since he liked them, he'd give them all eleven body locations, tell you what, give it to you for an even hundred grand, eleven bodies on me. And you gotta know if you give me a chance, I'll make a twelfth. Yeah. John, give me two a stand on top. Give me two a stand on top. I'm right on there. That's a baker, it doesn't. But in America, it's only like twelve hundred bucks. tankers. I'm so angry. I'm sorry. We really enjoy you. We love coming to Canada. It's a better place. We know it. That's why I make fun of you. Exactly. Yeah. You get to live a better life than we do. So you get that you have to be made fun of. I'm sorry. But incredibly, the RCMP actually paid Clifford, Clifford also in the fucking money. That's how good he was at manipulation. Or is that how bad the police are? Sure. Or lazy. That's all of it, buddy. We think that Canadian police officers are the police. He is humans that have ever existed. Clifford's ability to scam and manipulate other people is even more remarkable due to the fact that Clifford Olson was a relatively grubby little man who spoke with an outrageously stereotypical Canadian accent. This is, of course, in addition to his voice, which, as Henry pointed out to me a couple of days ago, sounds very much like a cartoon mouse. I can't even get up to the natural timber. Yeah. Because it's very, it is truly the exact voice you expect when you see the words of goofy Canadian. Yeah. Right. Like the words. Oh, yeah. But that's how old goals I, you know, honest. Oh, I wish I could see the outside from in here. There's something about it. We've covered it if you mix it with your high pitched Italian. It might work. Yeah. But then I start to slide. Don't do that to me now. Yeah. So this is the issue is that I feel like in the history of last podcast on the left, we're now really touching on several of the more important stereotypes within Canadian. And we're seeing it through their criminals. So one, you got your Robert Picton, which we covered. Robert Picton is your stereotypical dumb yet tough Canadian. There is the tough the biker. The biker. Yeah. Rural. Really, really tough. Thinks he's a lot smarter than he than he is. Right. Thinks he's a criminal mastermind. And incredibly, and incredibly dangerous. And we'll beat you within an inch of your life. Yeah. Dangerous guys. The Canadian bikers are real do. Yes. That is, that's one side. Then we have the Paul Bernardo's, which to me is the obsessed with America. Little bit like wanting to be up with the Joneses. The fact that he went to be a rapper and so very Toronto, very like city boy with all his fake shit, but still indelibly Canadian, which means a half step wrong. Right. He's always kind of wrong about the choices he's making. Yeah. He's the type of guy who thinks that if only I can make it to Los Angeles, like if I can get an apartment in Burbank, or I got it made, they're going to love me there. Listen, my DJ names DJ Avalanche, you know, but now we finally have come to Clifford Olson that to me represents, and I am not, there's no bones about it. I think Clifford Olson is one of the most dangerous men to have ever been born. Yeah. Because what he is is an evil goofy Canadian, which is a powerful, powerful combo, because the thing a part of it is that the goofy Canadian cuts through so much Canadian horseshit that everybody just wants everything to be okay. They all want things to be okay. They don't want to be a lot of drama. They want to get along with their fellow man. This guy is always, he always reverts back to goofy Canadian, and they just simply believe in their hearts of hearts that anybody that's that goofy, he can't be going to the end and that wrong. Nice a good guy. He's a good guy. He's a funny guy. Yeah. They respect the one thing Canadians respect more than anything else is the power to make them laugh. Yes. They fucking love that shit. It means the world to them. Clifford Olson cuts right to the part of it. Now, been listening to that BBC podcast calls from a killer. And I've just, it sends chills up my spine. Yeah, because he's talking to these, he's talking to a journalist, and he's just so gleeful. He's so happy talking about anything like, oh yeah, I know exactly what I was doing the entire time, but I just didn't give it back. He literally said, he's like, oh, I know I kill and kids and stuff like that, but I don't give a fuck. Yeah. I mean, I feel victim to it myself a little bit, but I've learned in about this guy. Yeah. Occasionally I catch myself giggling and I'm like, I kind of like this guy. Oh, yeah. Then you're like, oh, wait, stop yourself. That's his game. And that's how strong his manipulation is is that he can reach you even through just reading about his stories, like you could imagine being in the same room. Yeah, you know, and he could charm almost anybody. It was, he's an incredibly, incredibly dangerous person. He's, well, he is a largely, I'd say he's the most dangerous Canadian criminal life right about. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, because he's dangerous because he is like, imagine the chaos of a loony tunes character. Imagine if Joe Perra was a serial killer. You found out that he killed people everywhere he went. Oh, great at it. Right. Except for, you know, I think he, you know, he needs to, he likes washing his hands too much. Yeah, sure. Sure. Yeah. But this is, but it's like, it's like a, look, it's the chaos of a loony tunes character, uh, set loose on the world. Like an actual, like, if you let a cartoon character loose, uh, this is what would happen. And the far darker side of things, people like Clifford Olson, who hold that master manipulator gene, they also have all the makings of a rapist. And Olson was a bisexual who routinely raped men, women, boys, and girls. This, of course, is where the culpability of the Royal Canadian mounted police comes into play. Over the course of this series, we will show that the RCMP's repeated lack of action portrays Canadian law enforcement in the 20th century. I don't know how they are now, but back then they were quite possibly the laziest working for the weekend group of cops in Western history. I just can't, the idea of how little work they did. Yeah. What's cause there's no crime? Well, this is a fat, this is one of those things that makes my blood boil. Yeah. The concept of, oh, you know, back in the day, we didn't need to lock our doors. The kids, they walk back and forth. There is a literal like conservative coded thing through all of that that allows the shit to fucking happen because it's just not happening to you. Yeah. You look at this entire area, you killed every fucking indigenous person that was there to be there. Yeah. And they were all going missing every day. Women were going missing. I wait here. Children were going missing. So it's like, it was dangerous for them already. And it's not just indigenous children. It's like you say, like, there's no crime. But I'm about to tell you about a lot of crime. Yeah. The happening Canada. That was one guy. He had so many conferences. He always had a buddy. You know, is there, there was a lot of crime back then. There was so much fucking crime back then. It just wasn't investigated. It wasn't prosecuted. And it actually, in a lot of times, it wasn't seen as crime. You know, like it was seen as something else. It was seen as their fault. You know, it was something to be blamed. Now, while Clifford Olson was reported for rape again and again throughout his life, and this is to that point, that's not usually why he went to jail. Usually he got locked up for theft or fraud. But because the RCMP did not take the rape report seriously, especially the reports from the male victims, Clifford Olson gradually was allowed to escalate from rape to murder. It legitimately emboldened him. It did every time. Because that got sexier for him. Yeah. Now Clifford Olson discovered that murder was the best way to ensure a rape victim did not make a report. Because even though he didn't go to jail for rape that often, it was still a hassle. And because most of Olson's victims were either teenagers or young kids from poor dysfunctional homes, the RCMP dismissed the disappearances of these victims as just a part of the runaway phenomenon of the 1960s and 1970s. We also forget the child hooker. Yeah, yeah. I think you keep saying it's like, ah, he was just a hooker. Yeah, it's like she was 14 years old. Yes. Well, this dismissal of missing kids as simple runaways enabled dozens, if not hundreds of serial killers, to rack up high body counts in Canada and America during the mid-20th century. Everyone from Dean Coral to John Wayne Gacy took advantage of the gross indifference cop showed towards missing working class kids during those decades. And Clifford Olson was no exception. In fact, it's rumored that Clifford Olson may have even dabbled in snuff films like it was rumored that John Wayne Gacy and Dean Coral dabbled in snuff films, although that's pure speculation. Yeah. I don't think he'd be able to like get the camera worked together. Yes, you're unique. What I need here is I need a DP, I need a guy to do catering. This is a lot of pressure on me. Why do I have to be a multi-afe in it? I don't want to move to Toronto. Excuse me, Toronto. I want to move to Toronto. I want to stay in Vancouver. Now, after Clifford Olson began to get a taste for the act of murder itself, his killings evolved to reflect the chaos and cruelty that Olson applied to his everyday life as a selfish, unfeeling petty criminal. His chaotic haphazard method of committing murders ended up drawing those murders out for hellishly long periods of time. I can't remember the last time I read about murders that would last this long. And eventually, Olson got to the point where he was hammering nails into victim's heads while they were still alive. That, of course, is just a small preview of the depravity you can expect over the next few episodes. And it also tells you, again, it's fucking cartoonish. Why are you just doing that to hang pictures from them? So it's got like a stoutown vibe to it a little bit. Those were long ass killings. But - This is what, but this is a different, those were long and drawn out on purpose. - Hmm. - The K, like Clifford Olson's were long and drawn out, just 'cause it was almost like an ADHD thing. Like, ah, okay, let me try this. Oh, let me try this. Oh, okay, that doesn't work. - Yeah, the Snowton Boys were literally torturing people over a long period of time. - Yeah. - Oh, he was just too curious for his own good. - You know what, that's a good way to put it. - It's like, again, again, you can't help but it has to be, it's still a little cute. It's like, oh, he's just so curious. - I'm just a fun guy, I'm just a little kitty cat. - But before we get into the story of how Clifford Olson got to the point of hammering nails into the skulls of living humans, let's acknowledge our source for today. For this one, we used a classic true crime paper back called Predator by Peter Worthington, which was based on court records and extensive interviews conducted with Olson himself. But since some of this information comes from a master manipulator, you can take some of these stories with a grain of salt. But interestingly, Clifford Olson was one of those rare serial killers. He really wasn't all that interested in justifying his actions. And his extremely Canadian words, he really didn't give a fuck about anything. - Wow. - It doesn't care. - He really wants to talk about it. He doesn't care. - No, he thinks it's fun. - Yeah, additionally, quite a bit of his story is backed up by either evidence or testimonies from the people who are unlucky enough to have Clifford Olson in their lives. So this story is actually pretty fucking thick with detail. It is a fascinating tale of a pure sociopath. So without further ado, let's explore the story of Clifford Olson, aka The Beast of British Columbia. - Yee-ee. (laughing) - It's like (laughing) - So Clifford Olson was born New Year's Day in Vancouver, BC in the year 1940. Going back to the Industrial Pollution Theory of serial killer proliferation we covered in our Gary Ridgeway series, also was born near the tech coming co-smelter outside of Vancouver, which has the dubious distinction of being the largest lead zinc smelter in the world. - No way. - Which really nice is that his placenta could have kept him safe from an X-ray machine. (laughing) Vancouver, of course, was one of Canada's serial killing hotspots in the 20th century. In addition to Clifford Olson, it was also the home of the aforementioned Robert Picton, who picked up and killed over 50 sex workers from the East Hastings area of the city in the 1990s. The dead bodies were fed to the animals on Picton's pig farm and the meat that came from the pigs raised on human flesh was sold to unsuspecting customers. It bears repeating, I know we've said this a hundred times, but this is incredible. It is speculated that Picton's meat contaminated by brain-destroying preons might be responsible for cursing Michael J. Foxx with Parkinson's disease. - God. - I took out a back to the future four away from us. (laughing) - As opposed to his fellow Pacific Northwesterner, Gary Ridgeway, Clifford Olson was not abused by his parents during childhood, aside from a heavy helping of neglect. In fact, Clifford could have benefited from a heavier hand in the parenting arena, but Clifford Olson was one of those rare kids who was actually born smarter than his parents. His parents were fucking dulls. - Yes. - His father, Clifford Sr., was a soldier in the Canadian army with limited talents in ambition. He didn't care for children and mostly ignored his son, but after World War II, Clifford Sr. worked as a milkman, driving an actual horse-drawn milk wagon. - Wow. - And Clifford would sometimes ride along on these milk deliveries. - Fun. - It's here that Clifford learned at a very early age, how to spot opportunities, and how to take advantage of any situation, no matter where he was or what he was doing, from birth almost the only thing on Clifford's mind was crime. - That's fun. - For example, while on these milk runs, the preschool Clifford began by stealing change from his father. The young criminal then figured out how to steal money from the houses where the milk was being delivered, but he finally discovered that the biggest score was the other milk wagons full of cash that the other milkmen would leave unattended at the end of a long work day. This is all when Clifford was still a very young boy. He's like four or five. And this was a pattern he would follow throughout his life. When Clifford found an opportunity, he would push it as far as he could until he got caught. And if he never got caught, he'd just keep pushing it. This, unfortunately, when one day apply to the escalating cruelty in his murders. - Well, he straight-up said, "It's not a crime unless you get caught." - Yeah. - And it's very interesting to see somebody that kind of thinks like this from the very, very get. And that nobody, like, I don't know just like his father, like, obviously this is controversial. I don't know if his father just like wailing on him would have like made him better. I mean, I don't know if it would have. - It would have done nothing. - But he obviously has this kind of this, I would say almost like an ability to just not care. And if you've left the money out, it's kind of on you. That you quote unquote, left your money out. And that's he blames everybody else. - Oh, of course, yeah, you should have done that. - Yeah, for me, for you to stand out for me to take. - Mm-hmm. - Fly from your place. - No, while Clifford was not abused by his parents, he was unfortunately the victim of a creepy uncle. Clifford said that his earliest memory involved his 15-year-old uncle and a cousin who all played together when Clifford was just four. So the uncle told Clifford and his cousin that he had a brand new uncle game to play. - There's so many uncle guys. - Oh, that's great. - So that's a big difference. - The sake of just keeping it safe, we're just gonna refer to this as the uncle game. - Yeah, because sometimes an uncle game just involves you doing like reverse 69s. - Yeah. - It's a lot of stuff in an uncle game. - Yeah, don't play uncle games. - No, yeah, yeah, don't play uncle game because it's either sex or just gambling. So either way, you know, it's not gonna happen. - Or bury in a hook. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Well, that's an uncle task. - Thank you, yeah, not an uncle chore. - Actually, I kind of now wanna, I wanna write this screenplay just called the uncle game. - No, I don't want you. - Yeah, maybe it's directed by Paul, but yeah, it's gotta take place. (laughing) - Now the kids were of course eager to play the uncle game. So the uncle had the kids take off their clothes and lay naked on top of the uncle's body. - What's the game? - Well, the game was for the kids to not tell anybody about it. - Oh. - Yeah, and you win the game by keeping your mouth shut. And if you win, you get a shiny nickel. - Oh, yeah. - I mean, a nickel. (laughing) - A nickel. - Oh, yeah, you're right. - Well, like many kids who were abused in this way, Clifford would later play the uncle game with young kids when he got to be a teenager. - That's not fair. - He would, however. How is it, what do you mean, that's not fair? - He's not an uncle. (laughing) - He doesn't get to play uncle games without the actual title. And I also think if you were a 15 year old uncle, there should be a new term for it. I think you were below 18, and yes, you are an uncle. You should, there should be another child-like uncle term for that, because uncle, to me, is a man that drinks and drives. - You should call baby uncle. - You're right, baby uncle's great. - I was an uncle when I was 15. - Yeah, you were a baby uncle. - Yeah, but then by the time my nephew, Kellyn was old enough to call me uncle Marcus, I was 18, so it was okay. - There is a, yes, that would have been fine. - Yeah. Well, Clifford would maintain that his own experience playing the uncle game had no effect on him all. - At all. - At all, at all. - Because in his words, quote. - There was no penetration. (laughs) - Okay. - That's a whole thing, is that that's more of a father's game. (laughs) - If it happened to me, I'd probably say the same thing. - Of course. - Yeah, yeah. - I was fine. We were just stacking. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It was more uncle stacking. (laughs) - That's all it was. Could have been worse, doesn't mean you weren't abused. - Yes. (laughs) Clifford Olson specifically does not look inward. - No. - He does not look inward. - Yeah. - At all, there is no inner Clifford Olson. - No, you're absolutely right. He is an entirely external person. - Yeah. - Now Clifford Olson was one of those people who were born with a natural talent for manipulation. Clifford was so clever that even as a child, he dominated and controlled his entire household and everything was all to achieve his personal goals of self gratification, only in the matter. - That's what sounds like. - That's the karma. (laughs) - See while Clifford did have the cartoon mouse voice, he had an engaging smile. He laughed easily. He was relatively handsome in a 1970s sort of way and he was impossibly cheerful. As such, he was a master at charming his way out of trouble by displaying an angelic face that had just a touch of irresistible mischief. - You hold my dinosaur. (laughs) - Stefan, Stefan. - This mischief, however, was encouraged by his family because the low lives who raised him laughed with joy and approval anytime Clifford did something that was clever but ultimately dishonest. Her example, when Clifford was five years old in the year 1945, his mother and uncles were hanging out drinking beer when they found themselves running low on sud. So what do you do? You tell the kid, go find more beer. - Yeah. - And they told Clifford, hey, go get the beer and if you bring us back a beer, we'll give you a dollar. - So Clifford immediately devised a plan to scam the adults. He gathered up a bunch of empty bottles and bottle caps, filled the bottles with water and hammered the caps back on. Then delivered the beer bottles full of water and said, give me a dollar. - That is amazing. (laughs) - That's amazing. - But did they also give him money for the beer? - Yeah. - So he probably got two times money. - Well, no. it wasn't that they gave him money to go buy beer. It's like, go look around the house and see if there's any beer. Oh, I forgot it's Canada. It's Canada, yeah, yeah. It's just beer laying around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he could just break into somebody's hot, I guess. And then just steal their beer from their beer. Shed or whatever, no, no, no, no, no, no, worse. Now, the adults, of course, discovered Clifford's little ruse immediately. But instead of calling out his dishonesty, they burst into laughter, praised his ingenuity. You are the funniest little fucker. Oh, my God, you're so smart. Oh, man, I couldn't think of a scam like that. You're like the funniest little fucker in the world. And they gave him his dollar. Clifford later said that this incident became cemented in his mind. He'd not only avoided trouble for trying a scam, he'd also gotten praised from adults for cheating, and he got paid. Yep. I mean, it's so hard when a kid does something wrong. And that's hilarious. Well, that's the thing. Oh, yeah, but that's different when it's actually funny, when it's like a scam. You're like, oh, this is kind of funny. It's super funny. It's super funny. And it's been elated by this. Yeah, I'm with you. I would too. But the thing is, you say like, yeah, that's really funny, but no, you don't get your dollar. You tried to scam us. You don't get rewarded for trying to scam people. Yeah, it's funny. It's funny. It's clever, but yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's gangster behavior. Exactly. Now, even though Clifford was smarter than both of his parents, his mother, Leona Olsen, was certainly an influence in the manipulation department. She was a passive, subdued woman, who worked as a meat packer. And she was brilliant at finding a path to manipulating people and to giving her what she wanted. But since Clifford was smarter than his mother, Leona, she found that the easiest way to deal with them was to just give him whatever he wanted. Or failing that, she could bribe him into being good. But Clifford, therefore, became such a mamas boy that when he grew up, it's believed that he actually talked to his mother in great detail about the murders he committed. But by that point, Leona Olsen was so intimidated and terrified of her son that she simply listened and did nothing to alert the authorities to her son's heinous crimes. At the very least, she may not, like, we don't know for sure if he went in a full detail, but it's thought he probably did. At the very least, she did have enough information to go to cops and say, like, you need to lock this guy up. - Mom's don't do that. - No, I'm so, you know, it's hard because my mom would lie to the police for me, but I told her she should. - Really? - She should. - Really? - Yeah. - But she would, she can't wait. - My mom would have went down for me. That's for damn sure. - No, it would have been you only, 'cause then guess what she could do? Gilt you from jail for the rest of your life. (laughing) Then have total control of your life from jail when she's fucking kingpin. - Your mom would go down for like, one of your acquaintances that she met once. - Yeah. - She is like, go to jail, I think. - Well, the lie to police. - That's, you know, that comes from growing up in Elizabeth, New Jersey. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But by the age of five years old, Clifford Olson already had a reputation in his neighborhood as a habitual criminal, but as it used to go back in those days, Clifford was both a nuisance and a local legend. - Canadians love their mischievous boys. - God, they do. - See, Clifford Olson quickly figured out crime could be converted into popularity if you knew where and how to spread the money. For example, when he was just five years old, he stole $200 Canadian from his uncle's wallet, then used that money to buy all the local kids' ice cream at the local soda fountain. - He's the mayor of kids. (laughing) - Two hundred bucks at 1945 too. - Holy shit. - Take it down to my wallet, I want to beat him to fucking death. - Yeah. - And he's like, he's alive. - Yeah. - What if he's dead now? - Clifford then led the parade of happy children to the barbershop, and this is such a five-year-old thing. Come go watch me have a haircut. - Yeah, this is like a plot line from the little rassus. - It is, yeah. - But when the barber noticed the fat wad of cash in the five-year-old's pocket, he called the cops. - When he got the soda fountain, he didn't give a shit. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course he was like, "Y'all take your fucking money, we like her." - Wow, is there richness in the world? - Wow, where are you from? (laughing) - Where are you, where have you come from, little child? I got, are you from Edmonton? (laughing) - It's a mid-city. - But Clifford was busted, but the only thing he learned from this experience, never flash a cash. 'Cause he flash cash, people gonna know he's done something wrong. - Start asking questions. - Yeah. - Yeah, you learn lessons when you're growing up. - Yeah, and this is important, listen, for you guys to even know as listeners. - Yeah. - Don't flash cash, right? - Yeah, keep it around, right? 'Cause people are gonna fucking look for marks, so they'll look for marks every day. - Now, considering how we're talking about Clifford on this show, his childhood criminal past was not limited to petty theft. Clifford was an inherently violent child who was particularly cruel with the smaller and weaker kids. He liked threatening other kids with knives, but always knew how to use his puppy dog eyes to disarm adults and deny everything when he was confronted with childhood knife crimes. But because he could talk his way out of trouble, Clifford soon learned that he could force girls into the bushes with his trusty knife where he'd touch them and make them undress. And this wasn't just with strangers either. He routinely did it with both his sister and her friends. Clifford's childhood violence even bordered on murder at times. Once Clifford found an abandoned wood stove, so he locked a small child inside and lit a fire just to see what would happen. The child, thankfully, was saved from being burnt to death only because some nearby adults hurt him screaming for help. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. I'm trying to watch the hockey game. What happened on out of you? Oh, you're just playing Hansel and Greggle. That's more little game for kids to play. 'Cause it does feel like they all saw him do stuff. And they were like, "Hyo Clifford, you better watch yourself." You're gonna hurt yourself one day. You're gonna really get yourself into some trouble this day when you held a little girl at knife point and make her undress and touch her body. You might get in trouble some day for that. You do that two more times. We're gonna take your knife. We're gonna take the knife. I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna put two blacked-out eye glasses on you. So you can't see what you're looking at. And yeah, let's see you try to do it with a fork. Let's see you try and do it with a fork. Now smoke the whole pack. Well, I've come back to just smoking a whole bag of the grunts. No, violence was obviously a part of Clifford Olson's childhood. He focused on petty crime for decades before finally graduating to murder. For Clifford, crime was just about immediately gratifying whatever desire he had. And it never mattered who the victim was or how vulnerable they might be. No conscience. And I've never seen a lack of conscience to someone like this. It's a Ted Bundy level. That's kind of how I put him. One of Clifford's favorite childhood targets, for example, was a local blind street vendor. Clifford would offer to help out the blind man with this and that. But Clifford's ultimate goal with this was to switch out the blind vendor's higher denomination bills with single dollars. Clifford was also incredibly brazen with his scams. Sometimes he would steal fruit from the trees in a person's backyard, then go around to the front door, knock, and try to sell their own fruit back to them at a heavily discounted price. You got to do it to the neighbor. At least he picked my fruit. I mean, that's the kind of the hardest part there. But I will say about what you got the bills for the blind man, that is a really brave thing to do because a blind man has a stick. Yeah, man, you can beat the fuck out of you. I see, I saw dear devil Clifford's got a knife. Yeah, that is true. Blind man can't tell. Blind man don't know. Yeah, but also he's a little boy sticks longer than the knife. That's thick, whip, whip, whip, whip, whip. You could. The thing about Clifford. (laughing) The thing about Clifford. We have to be wearing a bell or something. (laughing) It's easy, it's easy. But the thing about Clifford Olson was that he always shared his ill-gotten gains with his friends because he had learned at the age of five, with the aforementioned ice cream caper, just how useful sharing the wealth could be when it came to manipulating other people. That's a Peter Tiel lesson that he understood as a little boy. Yep. See, like a lot of successful sociopaths and narcissists, Clifford Olson knew that being liked was key if he wanted to keep getting away with bad shit. And the easiest and fastest way to get someone to like you is to be extremely generous with your money. Clifford therefore learned at an early age that you can buy friendship and loyalty. Any strength in those friendships by being likable. But to that point, see if I've learned anything, it's that people like Clifford Olson are very good at convincing people that ride or die is a noble concept. When they're in fact just using that loyalty as a shield to keep doing bad shit without consequence or at least that's their hope. Unfortunately, Clifford Olson learned this technique at an early age as these people often do. He took advantage of people's loyalty and friendship throughout his entire fucking life. But he got away with it for so long because he was a master at presenting himself as a likable and generous person. And he also had the other inner gift of this type of manipulative person that he understood to take the conflict level up to an uncomfortable place. Yes. If you go to challenge this person, what they would say is he'd transform into another person. In a second. In a second, you would go from the guy you knew to a dangerous person. It scares the shit out of you. Yes. It's a true gangster move. Yeah. Now, by his teenage years during the early 1950s, Clifford Olson had his-- zone, little gang of Canadian hoodlums. These kids would burglarize homes by crawling through old-timey milk doors at night while people were sleeping so they could rifle through their belongings. I see Norwegian characters out of a folk tent. Someone stole a cheese. It sounds like the Icelandic character is the Yule boys. The Yule Labs. Who didn't leave an acorn out to pull the engine for the hydrogen strike and they are you to take on our first newly born cheese. I'll go check out the Reykjavik grapevine sometime. We got a new website. That's great. We got newbies in there. We don't know. We don't have newbies. You don't do a page six girl. No, we don't do a page six girl with a Reykjavik grapevine. I'm part owner of a quite proud of it and the paper's fucking fantastic right now. Reykjavikgravevine.com. Check it out. You have such a collection of old pornography. You can just start slipping it in there. Yeah. Next time I talk to you on the call, I'll fucking ask him about that. And where's the porn in this? But that's what Clifford did for money. Mostly he just fucking cost chaos. He'd shoot his 22 rifle at airplanes or boats for no reason. That's fun to tell. This one's incredible. He would steal weather balloons, tie fireworks or flares to them, light the fucking fuse and then just send it up in the air and he's just creating these flying fire starters. It sounds Florida. Yeah, it does. Yeah. But as far as professions went, Clifford often got jobs at places where shady shit was already going down like his job at the local horse track. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. If you're fucking 12, 12 years old, getting hired at the horse track. That's incredible. Yeah, so much fun. This is a, I think a little too many parallels in my own life. It's been a lot of time with the horse track as a child, but you have a, you have it conscious and it traumatized you. Yeah. I guess so. And I spent a lot of time with the horse track too, and Riedosa Downs, but because my grandfather was a security guard at the race track, he'd wear, he'd always wear a fake mustache. I was one of the few like tiny children that they let plus place bets. My grandfather owned ten horses and there he was like, oh, that's herbskin. We don't take the bed, he'll yell at us. I want the point. I want a rump and a rump. Everyone, you must be of age. Oh, how big are you? How fat are you, little boy? I'm on five diaries on hot dogs with a little princess. All right, huge boy. Don't destroy the boot. That man looks like a child. He threw a girl me in it. Clifford's paying job at the track was to walk the horses after races to cool them down. This job's known as a hot walker. This however, was just a front for the scams and thefts that made Clifford the real money. And keep in mind, we're talking about a 12 year old boy here. Clifford often stole wallets from the race track grooms. Those are the guys who took care of the horses, but his biggest marks were the gamblers. Following the inevitable celebration after a race was over, Clifford became a master at stealing winning tickets from people right out of their hands, then he would disappear into the chaos of the crowd. It's a Charlie Chaplin movie. Yeah. It really is kind of a good move. It's a great move. It's an amazing move. No, that's the thing. That's why the whole time you're like, God damn it, he's really good at it. No, he's doing it. My time at the track, I would brush the horses and they'd buy me ice cream. Oh, that's the ice. Yeah, the horses would go up and they'd be like, all right, I'm going up to the horse. Yeah, they're butterscotch. Hello, kid. I don't like it. That's right. Yeah. Oh, the Valleys. And so by 1956 Clifford had decided that his, that his would be a life of crime, because after flunking out of the seventh grade, twice, he quit school completely. Starting at the age of 16, Clifford Olson lived a life based solely on scamming and stealing and he did so on a near daily basis. Yeah, you've always got to have a second skill. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now, right around the time Clifford quit school, he had sex for the first time and the act unlocked the true evil that lived within Clifford Olson. It was said that after having sex with his sister's friend, he became "sex crazy" and every person who knew him back then said, "That was the only thing Clifford ever wanted to do from that point forward." I mean, yeah, when we're all 16, yeah, we're all obsessed with sex, but it was pathological to a dangerous level. Clifford also learned early on that he could pressure people into having sex with him. Once he caught a bunch of kids, sneak it around the race track. He chased all the kids off, except for one young girl. That young girl Clifford pressured into having sex with him at the track. But the race track life ended after Clifford's boss caught him forging a $400 check. But presumably because the boss just liked Clifford so darn much, no charges were filed. Clifford didn't even get in trouble when he and his friend Dave stole a truck from the race track, then used that truck to steal a shitload of wine. Well, you got to leave one case of wine in the truck and no one cares. You can't work at any other good criminal fucking tip. Honestly, I think partially it's just they are like, "Here are kids having whatever." "Oh, you know, everybody steals a truck and steals a bunch of wine." That's what you do. Here are kids. Honestly, especially back then, especially in the '50s and '60s. I guess. I don't think every child burgled. No. Only the coolest. Yeah. That's true. That's a problem. It took a surprisingly long time for Clifford Olson to actually run a foul of the law itself. In 1957, Clifford was 17, he was finally caught breaking into a furniture store by an off-duty cop. I'm trying to look at the adamant. I need him for my empire. Clifford ran and hid in a blackberry bramble, but he was sniffed out by a neighbor's dog. He barked and alerted the RCMP officer searching for Olson. Once all the charges were added up, Olson had 17 counts and was therefore sentenced to nine months in the New Haven-Borstal institution. This would be just the first of many, many stretches in prison throughout Clifford Olson's life, although this stretch would have a decidedly British flayer. He liked prison, by the way. I think he liked everything. Yeah. He just had fun. He didn't care. He liked everything. He was always happy. He's quite possibly the happiest person ever exists. He talks about prison as a way for him to not have to work. Yeah. Also, I got to say, I never heard the word "Borstal" before, but it scares the shit out of me. You got to be careful. The doctor says anything about a "Borstal" test. Yeah. You got it. Okay. All of them. I'll remember. Well, this institution used the "Borstal" system, which was created in England as a way to write the path of juvenile delinquents before they landed in adult prison. Basically, it's a boarding school crossed with a prison. For all you punk fans out there, Shams 69 wrote a classic punk song about doing time in a "Borstal" institution called "Borstal Breakout." But part of the reason why Shams 69 wrote "Borstal Breakout" is because it was extremely easy to break out of a "Borstal" institution. Clifford, for example, lasted just four months in a "Borstal" institution before he and a couple of other delinquents just walked away from the facility and found their way to civilization by following the nearby train tracks. Eventually, Clifford and his friends came upon a speedboat on the "Frasier River." But since none of them knew anything about boats, they tried hotwiring it like a car because they knew how to steal a car. But what they ended up doing is they tried to spray in primer like onto the engine, caught the engine on fire. So they all took up their shirts and they put out the blaze with their shirts. But then the speedboat was running, so they took the motorboat all the way down the river to Vancouver until the motor died. The boys abandoned the boat and Clifford simply went home. But for reasons that are unclear, his father convinced Clifford to turn himself in, so Clifford was sent back to prison for an additional two years. His escape and re-arrest, however, was a damn good story, so it was covered by the press in the Vancouver Sun. This was the start of Clifford's status as a criminal celebrity known for prison breaks and it was all before Clifford was even 18 years old. I actually think that his infamy as a part of the reason why he felt they need to diversify when he became the serial killer that he did. Sure. So he could be known for more things? Yes. Keep up with it. Yeah, yeah. By 1959, Clifford was still in prison and it was there that he discovered that he was bisexual. Now, a lot of gay serial killers over the years, like John Wayne Gacy, tried saying they were bisexual because while they couldn't deny they had sex with men, there was no way that John Wayne Gacy could deny that. He still just couldn't admit that he was gay for one reason or another. Well, that was also the line he used to his wife, that was his ex-wife, that was the line he used to his buddies. That was the line he used to get guys to fuck him, was by saying like, "Oh, you know, we fuck whoever, right?" And so, but the bisexual thing allows, because John Wayne Gacy was so obsessed with his masculinity that allows him to like, "No, no, I'm taking it on, I'm taking, this is the thing I choose." Yeah, he would say like, "There's animal sex and there's love sex and with men it's animal sex. But the thing is, Gacy was fucking gay. He's called super gay. - Yeah, it's a name. - But, thank you. (laughing) But I do believe that Clifford Olson was truly bisexual and here's why. Why I see it, based on everything we know about zero killers, anyone can do a bit of a true crime sexuality test and you can apply it to zero killers or even yourself. Are you ready? - I'll do it. - All right, put aside your morality for just a second. - Ah, fuck. (laughing) - Turn it off. - Turn it off. - Turn it off completely. Morality gone. We're an purely intellectual exercise here. Now, ask yourself, what gender a person would you murder if you were to become a serial killer? - Eddie, see, I go for job more than gender. - Yeah, I get it, I get it. Well, but your answer, I believe. - It's priests. (laughing) - We'll tell you quite a bit about your sexual orientation. - I could kill a nun. - Okay. - But depends on the nuns, some of them are nice. - When? - There was two nuns out of the 10 that were out by school that were fine. - Oh. - But I'm just saying without morality. - Sure. - I have morality, I don't want to kill. - Put in your morality aside. - But I would kill a bunch of nuns. - My point here is that with serial killers, with serial killing, it is attached so much to sex and people tend serial killers kill people that they are attracted to. Gacy, for example, only killed men. So it's pretty safe to say that Gacy was gay. Ted Bundy only killed women. - Very rarely. Very rarely do serial killers change up victim type. - Yeah, and that's the thing. Clifford Olson killed and raped both genders with a slight preference for women. So we can surmise that Olson was that rarest of serial killers, the bisexual. - Or it's the idea that what she kept saying, which is like, it's sort of like bisexual. Like there's something else that is probably just psychopath when you just look at people as a collection of holes. - Well, that's what I was just about to get into. - Were there any other killers that killed both? Who else killed both? - Hmm, actually, I guess technically, the Atlanta child murderers, there's a little bit of that. - That's kids. - Yeah, kid, yeah. - No, kids are told, that's a totally different thing, yeah. - Yeah. - Wow. - I am trying to see who did it. - Interesting, we can't even think of it. - Yeah, it's very, it's like it really does, and that's kind of my entire point. - Andre Chickatillo, he was an agent of kids. - He would go back or forth between kids, like literally children, but again, that was about opportunity and power. - Yeah. - You didn't think of the Hammer maniacs? They were just whoever was around. - I would say, but that's the thing that's more about like thrill killing. - Outer fish, technically, boys and girls. - But that's kids. - That's kids. - It's against kids. - It's the thing, it's kids. - So there's three. - Yeah, four, maybe with bisexual, yeah. 'Cause that's the thing, it is about sexual preference. It's about like what they're attracted to. All those guys like Alper Fish, they kill kids because they're attracted to kids. - And when you're on your skills couples. - Yeah. - There's a couple. - There's something else that kills couples as well. - Yeah, yeah, and that's a whole different thing. But when we're talking about sexually motivated crimes, whoever they kill, that's where their orientation lies. - That's who they like. - It's very interesting. I never thought of it that way. - Well, that's great. - No, I'm glad I could open your mind. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Am I Tushy? (laughing) - You're gonna fuck him? - Not yet. - Not yet. - Now, as far as how Clifford Olson was awakened to his sexual nature, it was quite unfortunately through rape. He said that while he was in prison, he walked in on two young men raping a 16-year-old named Lauren Johnson, and Clifford's immediate reaction was to-- - That's a great idea. - Oh, that's the best idea I've ever seen. - Yeah, his immediate reaction was to join in. Clifford Olson's personal views on his sexuality were predictably reprehensible. It's kind of like what you were pointing at earlier. He never considered himself gay, by, or even straight. He said that he didn't care who he had sex with as long as they had a hole, and they were, quote, as young as possible. FBI profiler, John Douglas, was actually of the opinion that Clifford didn't even see his sexual partners as actual humans. He just saw them in their so-called holes as a means to masturbate. - It's like my character from Percival from MurderFist. - Oh, yeah. - Having sex of the woman is like just like masturbating with herself. - That's right, man. - It's for cranking out more men. - For cranking out more men. - I understand, I remember the jokes. - That's funny now, though. - Yeah. - But concerning Lauren Johnson, Clifford's first male rape victim, Olsen did somehow become good friends with Lauren afterwards, or at least as good a friends as two guys could be after this sort of introduction. - That was crazy, huh? (laughing) - And I got out of hand. - Hey, Lord, tell him how the story of how we met. - Tell him the story of how we met. - And he's his crazy. - I was getting tagged, he went by two murderers. - And this guy just jumped in my mouth. - I just came in, I just came in. - I know we ended up having a, we, during the downtime, we hadn't been finding out, we had a lot in common. - Yeah, yeah, he grooms men at my wedding. (laughing) - If it tells you anything, Clifford and Lauren would later meet up on the outside and go on crime sprees together. According to Clifford, the two of them shared a bond because after the rape, Clifford said that he and Lauren got prison married in front of all the other prisoners in the prison auditorium, and they even exchanged rings made from copper pipe. - That's beautiful. - I mean, I, this, I asked our, you know, researcher Joel, I asked Joel's like, dude, could you like try to find any other example of this ever happening in the history of man? He found no evidence of this happening whatsoever. So this could just be, in Joel's words, a Clifford Olson original. - Wow. - You know who reminds me of Richard Speck. - Oh yeah. - It'll be just because Richard Speck got put those tips in. - If they knew how much fun I was having, they'd turn me loose. - But that is also, this is manipulation tactics. - Yeah. - Right, like this is all, he doesn't care about Lauren. - No. - This was about having a set bitch in prison, like literally not getting fucked with by anybody else, and you've got a guy that wants to do crime with you after the fact. He's just fucking bringing him in. He's very practical. - And not just that, like it's, he's providing entertainment for the rest of the prisoners that makes them like him even more. - They never get to go to weddings. - Yeah. - Yeah, how hard that is, never get to go. You never get to spend a bunch of money and stay in a city you don't wanna be in. You never have to spend a bunch of money on a gift and fucking go to a stupid ass wedding, where you're gonna meet all these fucking people and all that stuff. - Well yeah, he does, yes, in prison. - Yeah. - But in prison it's right there, you don't get to travel. - And like a true bisexual, he picked the only guy named Lauren. - Wow. (laughing) - Well, discovering his sexuality was indeed a milestone. Clifford Olson mostly spent his time in prison learning how to be a better criminal by picking up tips and tricks on more efficient ways to lie, cheat and steal. But according to official records, Olson was considered to be more of a nuisance than a menace. - This is just Canadian shit. - All together, man. - Yeah. - Nah, he's not really a menace, he's more of a nuisance. - It's like a series of crimes ever escalating, but it's just kind of annoying. (laughing) - Parole Greenhead, get out here, he's annoying me. You get out there and do crimes on the street. (laughing) I'm sick of you doing crimes inside of this prison. It only happens to other criminals. You go out there and do it to a family, please. - We have a nice clean prison, if we got you out of here. - This is a nice prison filled with guys that consensually fuck each other. (laughing) - Well, the assessment of Clifford Olson being more of a nuisance than a menace, that was of course incorrect. While Olson often presented his friendly, his personality could quickly change to aggressive and frightening, then just as quickly change back. The worst was when he switched to the part of his personality driven solely by sexual desire, because that part was strongly tied to an urge to physically hurt other human beings. See, the way people described it, even putting aside Olson's violent tendencies, he subjected people to a sort of emotional whiplash, kept everybody constantly off-balance. Olson learned that if he flattered people, then they would quickly trust him. And even if he ended up crossing, hurting or using them, he could easily get them to trust him again, using more flattery and more importantly, more generosity. Just a couple hundred bucks, couple thousand bucks, go a long way to smoothen over any bad shit that he did. - Yeah, and drinks for people, buy in dinner for people, buy hanging out, pay in for the whole thing, like do it all this kind of big, high-rolder shit. - Yeah, what does he give a fuck? He just stole the money that afternoon. - Exactly. - It's not his money. - No, it very, it's, it works. - And in the end, the thing that defined Clifford Olson was that he never regretted his actions, ever. He only regretted getting caught, 'cause the way Clifford thought about it, if he didn't get caught, he hadn't actually done anything wrong. - Right from North Rape. - After being released from prison yet again in 1961, Olson proved that he truly had no scruples when it came to who was an acceptable criminal target. See, after he moved back in with his parents, Clifford went along with his dad to the Canadian Legion Hall one night, and while Clifford's dad and the other vets traded war stories, Clifford somehow, I don't know how he pulled it off, he stole all their watches. - Close up magic, never trust them. (laughing) But Clifford's father, that's Cliff Sr., he discovered the watch thefts, and he appeared to be outraged. But since the whole Olsen family were fucking dirt bags, Cliff Sr. fucked over his son instead of turning him in. After finding out where Clifford had stashed these stolen watches, Cliff Sr. just sold the watches and kept all the money for himself. And I'll tell you another thing, Buster, you'll be stealing nothing ever again and you're going to smoke that whole pack and then you're going to drink the whole bottle after that. You're going to take my keys and you're going to drive down the VFW and say I'm sorry. But obviously, would they all take their watches off together and put them in the bag? I have no -- that's what I mean. I don't know how he managed to see all the watches. You know, we all take our watches off. He won't know when to go home. Listen, this is a no-watch party. This is a no-watch party, no alarms, no stop watches, no seconds, no minutes, only hours, which is our time to spend together. Those guys are still drinking there to this day. No, you fucking -- we're going to do our daisy chain, like we do every week. Maybe in a Canadian lesion hall, it's like in Vegas that there's no clocks in the casinos. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If we don't know what time it is, then all Barbara can't get mad at me if we're not coming home. That's cool. That's information I didn't have. I've never seen Cliff Sr.'s prison record. So this next part, this is a bit of speculation. But from what it seems like, Clifford Olson's parents, they may have started doing cons and scams later in life because they saw how much money Clifford made being on the wrong side of the law. They said Clifford dominated his family, so it's possible they just followed his lead. It's jealous of him. Yeah. For example, a few months after the watch heist, Cliff Sr. was arrested for running a bingo scam with Clifford's mother at the very same Canadian lesion hall where Clifford had stolen the watches. God damn Olson's. God forsaken Olson's. Now, a bingo scam, that sounds like small potatoes, but these bingo games were fucking huge. Oh, yeah. No, bingo is not small potatoes. There's lots of money in bingo. My mom would play bingo every Sunday and occasionally she'd come home with a grand. Yeah. No, 3,000 people would show up to all to these games, $10,000 jackpot. And that's $10,000 in 1961. So Cliff Sr. talked his way into being the bingo caller, which put him in control of the bingo balls. Scam worked like this. Cliff Sr. would memorize a bingo card, then hand that card to his wife. The wife would then hand the card to a supposedly trusted relative. Apparently photographic memories kind of ran in this family. They did all have, I mean, if you're a scam artist, successful carnards, you have to have an incredible memory. Yeah. Because you got to keep all the lives straight. I know, but at least it's just like, that shows it's like Canadian criminal mastery. Oh, God. You would never be able to memorize a bingo card. And that's how it was making my money. Yeah. Yeah. After a while. But I would never be able to do that. That's why you were not a great criminal. That wasn't a great criminal. No. You'd lose your money all the time. I remember we went through all the books and we found all the cash that you hid for yourself. Yeah. That was kind of fun. That was fun. I would get hammered and hide cash myself. My favorite was when I hid the cash in the fuse box. Yeah. And then it wasn't until the power went out and $400 fell on my foot and I was like, wow. Oh, my God. Well, before the bingo game, and this is the key part of this scam. Before the bingo game, Cliff Sr. had set up a trap wire door on stage at the bingo table that he could activate with his foot. So once the relative with the memorized card was getting close to a bingo, Clifford would get a signal. And at that point, he would press the trap door and release the fake balls that would lead the relative to a bingo. After winning, the relative would split the cash with Cliff Sr. No, no fuss. This is another example of just a job is easier than this game. Just going to work and leaving work and getting a paycheck. This is very impressive. Yeah. It's too much work. It's hard. It was like carpentry involved. Yeah. You should be doing all this. It's like, you're all focusing on the wrong things. Yeah. This scam actually worked perfectly. Nobody ever suspected anything fishy about it. But after Cliff Sr. and Leona chose the wrong relative as their accomplice because you can't use the same person every time. That relative decided to keep all the winnings for themselves instead of going with the agreed upon split. It was one of those like, what are you going to do about it? Call the cops on me. You beat the shit out of you. Yeah. Well, the family had a good old-fashioned dirt bag falling out over the whole thing. Well, that's my stolen money. And in the aftermath, the relative decided to snitch on Cliff Sr. for the bingo scam and Cliff was duly sent to jail for fraud. I unfortunately don't know, however, if the relative managed to snitch without implicating themselves in the scheme. If I were to guess, I would imagine they tried to, but ultimately failed, and were also sent to jail. Or they just gave the money back. That's Canadian way. Yeah, I'd just give it back. Actually. You know what? In 1961. Yep. Okay, here's the money. I'm sorry. Now while Cliff Sr. was going into prison, Clifford Olson was just coming out. He'd of course been arrested and jailed again. He was so proud of his dad. Oh, yeah. But after entering the world once more as a 21-year-old, red-blooded Canadian, Clifford Olson began a relationship with a 17-year-old named Janet after seeing her at a bus stop and offering her a ride. Now, the tale of Clifford and Janet tells you a lot about Clifford's personality, and it's very important to the overall story. See, Janet later said that she liked how Clifford listened to her, and she liked how he was in her words. She used these exact words exceedingly energetic. But after talking his way into having sex with her, his personality switched mid-coitus to violence, and he choked her until she almost blacked out. Once Clifford reached his climax, he let his grip loose, and he once again became sweet and gentle. And that's that emotional whiplash, like you never fucking nut like it's it's so it's so back and forth that you almost wondered. It's like, is it me? Like, do I am I imagining this because it's it's so it can be surreal. Yeah. But despite that Clifford and Janet kept seeing each other and Janet eventually got pregnant. Clifford, however, couldn't stay out of jail and when he was arrested again, Janet put the baby up for adoption. Clifford kept calling Janet and writing letters when he was in prison asking for congeical visits, but because of his dyslexia, he kept calling them congenial visits. They would be. Yes, they would be technically true. Janet, however, dropped Olsen completely and dodged a massive bullet. I don't think I should be with that career criminal. Maybe I should stop eating the career criminal, keep doing crap. Yeah, maybe the guy who to choke me out the first time we ever made whoopee nah, I don't know. I may kick him to the curb. I'm going to have even my new boyfriend Paul because having sex in prison is kind of like vacation, but you know, I prefer to actually be in a hotel. I just feel like having sex on a congeical visit has got it's got to be either either has to be the hottest thing you've ever done or the grossest thing you anybody can do. It depends on the crime, because you're in a trailer and the guy's got to watch you. Yes. Yeah, that is true. And so unless you like that, which you might, I mean, I would imagine it is both the hottest thing you've ever done and the grossest thing you've ever done at the same time, but getting all of those side stories, LPL, gmo.com, have you ever done a congeical visit? Let us know. Yeah. No, another thing that defines Clifford Olsen is his impossibly cheerful personality, which is why I like to compare him to the Joker to the Joker is just as happy causing chaos in the streets of Gotham as he is sitting in a cell in Arkham, asylum. That smile don't fucking change because the Joker knows he's going to get out eventually one way or another Clifford Olsen had the exact same attitude because by the early 60s, Clifford became so good at escaping from prison that people began to refer to him as the rabbit. He had not yet had the Senator title added. Well, yeah, he was still just a page. Yeah. No, no, no, no. It's like in the mail room at this point. Representative rabbit. Yeah. Now, Olsen didn't have a knack for elaborate escape plans. Instead, just like a rabbit, Clifford Olsen relied on escapes of opportunity, which usually came as a result of a nept Canadian jailers who simply didn't care about their job enough to pay attention. But also if you have no scruples and if you have no conscience making really impulsive decisions that help you in these ways, it's actually much easier. It is. Well, for example, during one stretch in a Saskatchewan jail, Olsen picked the lock to the laundry room, stole some clothes that were not prison issue, and confidently just walked out the jail's front door as the guard gave him a polite wave and said, "Hag a good weekend." It's really nice to see you, Mr. Lincoln, so glad you could visit the jail here. Olsen then hailed the cab to downtown Saskatoon. Oh, yeah. We are. He invited the cabby to lunch. Wow. The cops, of course, soon found Olsen and his hours long escape added another year. year to a sentence. Clifford, of course, didn't give a fact because he knew that there would always be another opportunity to escape from the, let's say, infamously porous Canadian prison system. Some about a taxi driver in Saskatoon that'll definitely help you fucking get out of jail and just sit and have like a big soup and sandwich with, you know, like big wet sandwich together. Just sit there and he's like, you know, I tell you about the time I broke out of jail. I started driving a cab. I was 35 years ago. One of you, like, didn't have money for the cab because he just broke out of jail and he's like, yeah, we'll go. I'll steal you sandwich. I also just think that a Canadian will take free food. Yeah. More than Inter-American. More than American. You could make your way through Canada with several baguettes. Do you think on their Halloween, they don't need candy with wrappers, probably? They just drop into the children's mouth like the baby birds. And so throughout the early to mid-1960s, Clifford Olson would commit a petty crime, go to jail, escape, commit more crimes, get arrested again, then escape. And this just happened over and over and over again. During one actual release, Clifford reunited with his prison husband, Lauren, and the two of them went on a burglary in fraud spree. Yeah, we're cold. We're cold parenting a butt baby right now. It is really beautiful. Olson was arrested once again, as he would do over and over, Olson completely left his partner in crime in the Lerge. See that the loyalty thing, that only applied to Clifford. It did not apply from Clifford to other people. It's because he's a winner. Well, instead of helping out his friend, Olson told the RCMP that he alone had information on a drug deal in operation, which he would lead the cops directly to if they promised a lighter sentence. But when the cops took Olson to the alleged location of the drug operation, it was like an abandoned warehouse or something. While the RCMP's back was turned, like he's fucking Bugs Bunny, Olson just jumps out the window. That's time for Clifford to make his escape. See, you idiot. It's an Albuquerque toy. That's a Ted Bundy move too. Yeah, he ran away and it took another month for the RCMP to track down the rabbit one more time. Now Clifford Olson finally served all the time he was given in the 1960s by 1964. But it's speculated that after that 1964 release, he may have committed his first murder, although we don't know for sure if this was indeed Clifford Olson. In May of 1964, a 12-year-old girl named Judy Howey was walking home from school in the lumber town of Skramish. When she didn't make it home that afternoon, a search was conducted and Judy's body was found at 8 p.m. It was 10 feet off a dirt path in the woods and it was soon discovered that Judy had been raped and strangled with a man's shirt that was still tied around the neck of her corpse. Clifford Olson was in the area at the time and the crime does fit his later ammo. But we really can't say for sure that Olson actually did this, especially because Olson was very fond of confessing. All we know for sure is that no one was ever arrested for the murder of Judy Howey. Well, when they found him, was he wearing a shirt? That's Canadian thing. You don't know. They didn't know until years later. It actually kind of wasn't put together until much, much later. It's like, oh, he was here at this time. Like, they started to look at where, you know, he had gone, but they often do his serial killers like look at his path and see which murders match up. I personally believe he would have told that he did it. I kind of think they should do part of the bodies for cash thing that he did. If he did, if it was indeed, well, but this body was, but that's the thing this body was found. Yeah. So there was no bodies for cash. He would have, it would have just been something he talked about. Yeah, maybe. But I don't. There was something he wanted to do. No idea. Did he was jealous? Did he kill anyone else by strangling them with a shirt? Just there was a lot of improvised strangling that it's not necessarily. It's not the shirt that's the important part. It's the improvisational nature of it. If like, oh, I want to make it a strangle with a shirt, you know, Rob Williams could kill a girl with a tie. He could kill a girl with a belt. He could kill a girl with a hose from the garden. He could kill a girl with. That's just his bill Cosby impression. But that was just, that was when they go to sleep. McClifford Olson was wanted for robbery and burglary once again by the summer of 1964, but when the RCMP showed up at his door to arrest him, the rabbit once again ran up away. 20 officers were called in to find Olson, but none of them had any luck. Incredibly, though, Olson's life was about to experience a massive echo. See, the cops brought in two search dogs named Rinti and Tiger. I want a dog name, Rinti. You can get his name. That's what was Rintintint's nickname. Oh, Rinti. Rinti. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe I could just call the dog Runti. Well, but just as it had been when he was a kid, Rinti and Tiger tracked Olson directly to his hiding place in a blackberry thatch. Rinti was awarded police dog of the year for his service, which, you know, a fuck, fuck Tiger, I guess I guess Tiger was there, but fucking Rinti gets all the goddamn credit. I mean, fucking talk to those the three astronauts that I had a fight to come under that fucking door. All right. Now the long conversation. All right. Those guys got real fucking butt hurt later on about talking about like, oh, he's only the second fucking showed on the moon. Yeah. The other guy had to stay with the car. Yeah. He said they're making sure nobody stole it. Well, after this crime, Clifford Olson was sentenced to three and a half years in the pen, but after less than a year, he got bored. In April of 1965, the rabbit devised another escape. This one, however, was planned. And I got admit, this is a pretty clever fucking scheme. And also put this to our current and incarcerated listeners. This is a good way to escape from jail. This is a very good way. It's a really good way. So really pay attention. Although it does depend solely on the incompetence and laziness of the prison guard. You know what? You know those guys. You know the bad ones. Yeah. So we're talking to you, O'cala. Well, the scam started with Olson telling the prison doctor that he'd been going to the bathroom a lot. And he was constantly thirsty. A lot. A lot. The doctor naturally asked for a urine sample. But while Olson peed in the cup, he practiced finger with a needle so he could make it look like he was peeing blood. Look at it. Look at it. Look at all the blood in this. Oh my god. Oh my god. This is of course quite serious. So the doctor, who I would imagine, light Clifford Olson, just as most people did, I got to make sure his dick's okay. He ordered Olson to a nearby hospital for more tests. And once a guard got Olson to the hospital waiting room, he for some reason removed Clifford's handcuffs. Well, they were it's hard for him to piss without the handcuffs. Yeah, that's true. Because then the guy's got a hole. But he's sitting in the waiting room. Yeah, but he's sitting in the waiting room. You know how you get a cop to remove your handcuffs. Someone's got to wipe my ass. You're going to do it. Oh my god. I love that too. Yeah, I love that hearing that you need to shit. I would imagine the cops probably just say have a dirty ass. They'll just say shit on the, yeah, you're going to shoot your pants. That's an American thing. It can't other two nights. Yeah, that is true. Oh, we don't want to mess up the jail cell. Well, after taking out the handcuffs, the guard fucking wandered off for just a moment. I got to go chase a bike. Presumably, I would imagine he gave Clifford a very stern like, don't go anywhere. Now, Mister, I'm trusting you promise. Also, of course, walked out of the hospital the second the guard was out of sight. He stole a bicycle and just fucking took off. Again, unceremonious escape possible. Just that sound rabbits on the loose. Now, Olsen immediately embarked upon a crime spree after this escape. But Olsen also, he liked having a partner in crime. So he called up his old buddy Dave. That was the guy who would help Clifford boost wine using the truck that they'd stolen at the racetrack. Oh, okay. He stays in touch with people. He's a good friend. And together, the two of them ran even more wild. Clifford, however, finally took it too far with the impromptu robbery of a safeway supermarket. So Clifford Olsen relied on impulse, intuition, and targets of opportunity for his criminal endeavors. So when he got the idea to rob the supermarket, he just pulled out his stolen 22 pistol, a split second later and got on with it. Now, the pistol wasn't loaded. Clifford just like carrying it around because it made him feel important. But the effect was the same as if it had been full of bullets. But since Clifford was so impulsive with his crimes, he often missed out on big scores. During the Safeway robbery, for example, Clifford and Dave came away with little more than a sack containing $89 in coins. They had completely missed the store's cash bag, which was stuffed with $15,000 Canadian. Do your homework. Do your research. Do your mind if you have Nicholas Cage from Raising Arizona. It's a little bit like that. He is just like, he's both, it's the only reason why he's a career criminal just because he doesn't stop doing crimes. Yeah, he's not a great criminal. No, no, he's not. I mean, he just stopped. He just wouldn't stop doing crimes. You know, it's like that, it's like that scene in pulp fiction, you know, in the diner. It's like, let's do it right here, right now. Now, why did you grab the. Diner yeah, less preparation than that. Yeah, you know, it's it's just like I want to rob the safe way boom pulls out the gun And let's figure out how to do it unless just go along with any comes with eight eighty nine dollars and fucking change Imagine how many times it works that we didn't even know about yeah Fortunately, it's a really good way to rob something because if you case it and you go someone can enter finding They recognize you. It's all thing What you you're big on giving like tips and tricks today Now grabbing a bag full of coins instead of a sack of cash. It's funny and the small score $89 and coins it makes the crime. It's it's cute. It's not cute. You fucking rhyme your fucking wrong everybody a gun point It's cute. But it's just a bunch of nickel Nichols is a funny word But therefore it was picked up by the local media and because the prison escape was added to the story Clifford was Almost approaching folk hero status in Vancouver See after the robbery Clifford and Dave narrowly escaped the cops again and again You know they're guys that you know you want to root for and while listening to the police radio at a motel Clifford and Dave heard the cops describing them as Canning resourceful and dangerous. They're like an evil spider-man and Batman. They're the two handsomeest men I've ever seen I love these boys. Hey guys, let's see home. Let's not go after these boys. Yeah, we're higher in fellows, you know the media also heard these colorful descriptors being discussed over the police band So the media went deeper on the story and decided to interview Clifford's mother Leona She had some choice words to say about her son offering this assessment He's a coward by himself and he needs a partner This is the seventh time he's gotten away from the police though. You've got to admit. He's quick on his feet This is turning in the trailer park boys I got a little thing on trailer park boys at the end. Oh you do Yeah, it is it is it is Clifford and Dave were in full outlaw mode by this point So they crossed the American border to the town of Blaine Washington The police chief in Blaine stopped Clifford and Dave and immediately peg them as the safeway change robbers You're just dumb enough looking but once again All right, let me buy TV from you But once again once the police chief kind of pegged them is the robbers Olsen rabid it out into the woods in the middle of their chat with Washington's finest And he left his And of course he left his buddy Dave to take the rap And once in the woods Olsen climbed a tree and used his shoelaces To tie his unloaded 22 pistol to the tree branches to hide it from the caps And after climbing down he jogged a good distance away Doug a little hole for himself with his hands and covered himself up with leaves Where he said nothing tree I know this is when Clifford becomes the potato You will never find the potatoes His idea was to literally lay low And all he could once again rabbit away This is a this is wily coyote shit Yeah, but by this point the RCMP had been notified And the RCMP had already pinpointed Dave's weakness The Batman and Robin to his Joker if you will The dynamic duo in this case was Rinty and Tiger Police dogs extraordinary Only police doing a job Only police officers doing a single thing now Canadian cops are worse than dogs I know I can't find him if you want to give it to the dog I'm tired of the fucking dog taking all the goddamn credit around you Ernie your sense of smell is shitting me Fuck your quits smoking like I told you You're fucking smells as hell might come back Dave And they fucking these two dogs got brought over the border Found him immediately boom This is like a yeah because he's hiding in a hole covered in the leaves There's a perfect place for a dog to find you If dogs are looking for you That's where they're going to find you This time I'm not going to find you no more tell them In the tree This time both dogs were rightfully awarded for service That's just because tiger fucking bitch Yeah, it's a tiger made a buck and stink about it Fucking the old one And Clifford Olson went back to jail He was sentenced to seven years But because of the media coverage of his robberies And his escapes Clifford Olson had become a small-time Canadian criminal celebrity Now as he said At this point he's very much on the level of a trailer park boy When it comes to the crimes for which he's been arrested And if I'm being honest, I understand trailer park boys On a whole new level After learning about Clifford Olson Like it seems so much more like a reality show It's a type of Canadian That's kind of what I mean It's a stripe of Canadian Yeah, it's this criminal idea Like it's funny, mischievous little crimes, little scams Kind of fun Again, it's all too cute for anybody to sort of take it As seriously as they need to Until somebody then murder and rape his ten children Yeah, yeah No, it's like in the trailer park Like that's the the the the best joke is when they're having You know the scene where they're having the gun fight And then one of them gets shot and they go Time out Time out I got shot Oh, we got a guy heard over here What's his name? He's got gations The guy with the glasses got big-time gations Oh yeah, that's a whole different one Yeah, bubbles Yeah, yeah That means it's his name's bubbles He just is Clifford Olson Yeah, well Let's focus on Ricky and Julian I'd like to focus on that Because as opposed to the relatively harmless adventures Of Ricky and Julian Clifford Olson was not just a confused petty criminal with good intentions And a heart of gold See, during this seven-year stent in prison Clifford Olson would be introduced to the weapon He would come to rely on When he finally began his serial killing spree In prison, Olson found out what happens When hammer meets skull And that is where we'll pick back up for part two Of this three-part series It will kill It will kill When you put hammer to skull it will kill you You really got to keep those hammers out of those prisoners hands You know what the fuck? Why did you hang in on hammers? 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