I've had it with the Saharan Horn Vibers snakes in these sandy plains. That is a reference to both snakes on a plane with Samuel L. Jackson and the fact that it is Sin Patrick's Day. I'm here to drive the snakes away and that's what I've tried to do today with you Andy. I wasn't sure why you were going with that but you recovered it. I pulled it round to a relevant reference. Happy Sin Patrick's Day to anyone. Anyone who celebrates it, welcome to "Wall with the Mate" with me James. Me Andy. And it is a green festive special. We've got no green on. I nearly wore green jumper to work today incidentally. I was wearing green most of the day. Oh really? I changed on my pajamas anyway. You have pajamas? What kind of pajamas? What style of pajamas? I cannot picture you in pajamas. Like trouser bombs? The ones I wear at the minute I cover it in pigs and blankets. Right so that adds a few questions because you said the ones I'm wearing at the moment which means you're wearing these in rotation. Yeah. Well I can't clean them and then wear the others. I have multiple. But it feels like at the moment you think what you're doing is wearing them, washing them and just keeping the same ones and you'll go to other ones later in the year. No they're on a cycle. They get washed, put in the drawers and then move through. And when you say they're covered in pigs and blankets, have you eaten pigs and blankets today or is it a design? No they're just a fun festive design. Cool. Yeah that's what I was thinking. These are Christmas pajamas. Yeah I only got pajamas at Christmas. That doesn't mean they have to be Christmas themed. I get lots of presents at Christmas, they're not all Christmas themed. Well it's just a thing, it's one of the things in my stockings. I get pajamas, I buy them, I just get one set a year at Christmas. How do they fit pajamas and stockings as well? Permin? That's not a. How big is your stocking? For anyone who. That's not helpful. This is a bad podcasting etiquette. You're surely unjust. That's like to be fair typical stocking size. Yeah. To put pajamas in there, I feel like all you're getting are pajamas. You're not getting any fruit, any haribo? Pajamas, socks and a terry's chocolate orange basically. You're just getting a wardrobe with a hard bottom. Yeah that's all I need. A wardrobe that people in prison would swing around to attack other prisoners. Yeah. We're missing a terry's chocolate orange from the pool table. Everyone stop. Well you're going in solitary. Well they're hard. You can't let the prisoners be running around. Don't tap it, whack it. Is the saying that they have. And we have a saying too. Fuck the trucks. I guess. Yeah that is one of them. And today we've done. We've actually not fucked the trucks. No we've never had fine truck times. Yeah. What we did today is we've wrapped up Obstage 2 of Turn 4. And we started Obstage 3 of Turn 4. We made good headway. And today we saw out the final glimpses of your movement phase. Yes I'd moved but we had fights to do so we picked them up and got through my movement. Yeah, did the truck phase pretty quickly and then we do organisation stuff as homework now so. So we did some air stuff as well. Yeah we declared them but didn't guess them. I guess a moment of blind panic there where I thought I'd miss my movement stage and I realised that this time I went first. Ah there was a side-off as work, my stomach dropped when I thought you moved and I just did not do anything. So what we did do is we finally addressed the combat that we left last session with which was not a terrible situation for me but not a desirable one either. No. I went in on the. I attached the body of Garrison. But you've written it. Great before attacked. I did. I pulled away as soon as those guys came near the 7th armoured in the 4th Indian. I pulled back and I put them into a particularly troublesome position, one that was meant to create a problem for you. I pulled them back but then moved them one hex to the right which meant that there was this gulf between this sort of wall I've built. I said wall, a line that I've built alongside the escarpment hugging it. Now they've moved one out which means that you can either try and follow and hug the escarpment round which means you have to punch through that hole in the middle, that zone of control or you have to zoop completely, zoop. I'm going to use that word from now on. It's looping fast. You have to zoop completely around which takes you to a really awkward position where you're quite far out and the tracks are quite sparse. It also means I could only attack each of them because they were like formed a bit of a wall now. I could only attack each of them with one thing or because of the way the zones of control were overlapped. If I tried to do a 2-1-1 with either it would pull the other one in. Yes. So yeah. It was a nice little position. I only realised that as well when you attacked. I'll admit this was not a plan I had preconceived. This was complete happenstance but I'm really happy and happened. Yeah, take advantage of it. I'll take advantage of you. I'm sorry, that sounded a lot more aggressive than it was meant to. Yeah, it did. When I'm taking advantage of you, I want it to see more. Don't add a word. Don't make it inevitable. Well, you know, these things are where in twined, Fade has brought us together. Yes. And Fade is, I guess Richard Berg in the situation. The designer of the game, the creator, our overlord. All hail. All hail. What a guy. He's given us a lifetime of entertainment. He's given us a lifetime of activity with some entertainment. He plays through it. You know, activities are much better way to describe that. So with that, we had a little bit more combat because you decided to engage the next group behind the 62 Gaff, the body of Garrison, which is the Milletti division. Yes. And the seventh armour division rolled up and they went hard. They did. They unleashed their full borough. They actually, on the first attack, over the one pin thing, they did a full ammo of all the loaded ammo. Like literally everything went. What right before that? No, in that attack. Oh, that was all their ammo. Not all the ammo they have. Like, you know, how they have loaded ammo. Oh, yes. I did a full. Oh, yes. The one that comes here preloaded. Yeah. I've done quite a few of those in my day. So you've really spued your load. Yeah, and then I went at them again. So yeah, you attacked them and I sustained 15% losses. And decided not to move. But I also inflicted 15% losses. Yes, you did, which was bad for me. Which I was very, very pleased with. That mismatch as well, it was a plus eight for you, which is right on the cusp of me being overrun. So it's a really mismatched fight. And that was mostly to. That was down to morale. Because you had plus three morale after the adjustments. I had minus one morale after a very good adjustment on my size. And that resulted in an overall difference of eight because you put in 10. Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was like grounded down to 10. Yeah. So in the end, we had a difference of eight. So that eight resulted in 15% losses both sides. However, I employed the old tactic that the first Libyan did back in City, Barani. And I kept them in place. They did not move. They lost an extra 10% as recompense. Which was a heavy loss. I think that was like 19 overall raw strength points. Out of mine, or yours? Out of mine. Yeah. So I lost two recon battalions and the majority of a typical infantry battalion. Yeah. So that was a heavy loss. I did lose an infantry unit and armor unit on that 15%. That's good. Losing some of your armor and the armor division, I'm happy to do that. Yeah. There were two of them that flew breakdowns. They'd been like my breakdown, bitches. You're my breakdown bitch. Yeah. But yeah, I wasn't distributing the breakdown like evenly. I was just doing it on one, like one particular unit. Yeah, you would chip them away. Yeah, rather than like spread them. So it got rid of them. Yeah, I know. I'm moving on. Yeah. And then I get tidied up another like under strength infantry. Yes. And then I attacked again. You did? Yes. Yeah, I'm going to move past the spread. I'm going to have to live with that. Yes. And then after they held position, you went again. And this time you inflicted another 15%. And I hit you back for 5%. This time the mismatch was far worse. This time it was a 13, which meant I was overrun. So that loss that I took was from all of my units, not just the ones engaged. The ones engaged were minimal. I had one one in one actual point and you put another tenon. So that that hurt. So on the back of that I decided to stay again.
I took 15% but then another 10% on top, 25. I lost 14, I believe in that one. So it was 19, the previous one, 14 in that one. - So that tracks at least. - Or 12, no 12, I took in this one, I took 12 because I'd lost some armor in this one. So I lost some armor, I lost two tanks, no, I didn't, I lost four tanks. Four tanks, big heavy lost on the tank front. They are really good for defense. - Yeah. - I think they have three defense points. - Yeah, they're really same. I think all my tanks are better at the minute, at least, are better at defense. - Yes, they were great. So losing them all good and well. But the alternative is I lose most of my men that then provide the combined arms, garrison for the tanks. - Yeah, that was something I was waiting up as well. Where is it worth doing? - 'Cause infantry's more resilient 'cause it doesn't suffer breakdowns. - Yeah, they can walk, they've got legs. But tanks do hit hard enough. - Tanks don't have legs. - Yeah. - They need fuel. They can go further, but I might, a lot of things without legs. - Is it infantry? - Yeah, yeah. I think things without that, you've got that sort of like guilt in the middle of things with legs. If you've got more than two legs, you go a lot faster. If you've got no legs, you also go faster. - No, that's not true. - Tanks, cars, bicycles, they have like philosophical legs. - Nope. - Yeah. How does a slug move then? - Ungulating its body along the ground? - Right, don't get technical with me. (laughing) Don't filibus. - Don't try and knit me when you're wrong and they get annoyed. - Don't throw out words that you've made up. - Ungulating. - Body. - Okay. - Well, that's going on again. - I guess the ghastly can use gun worse. - Yeah, it is. And I'm fine with that. I've got a gas mask. I just didn't bring it. - It's sort of not like, he's full of that. - I'm suffering poisoning from carbon monoxide. Those red threats are crazy, by the way. You know the ones where people have clearly suffered a carbon monoxide leak? - Oh yeah, I've seen a few of them where people are like, it's something unrelated. They're like, I think someone's breaking into my house and moving stuff and then people are like, get a carbon monoxide detector and then like a month later. It's like, thanks for saving my life, Fred. - Yeah, I was going insane. I thought that someone was rearranging my fridge magnets as a threat to kill me, but turns out no. I just didn't have a carbon monoxide detector. - You know what really freaks me out on those red at once? 'Cause I read a lot of those like, am I the devil? Am I an asshole? I find them sort of voyeuristically fun in the same way the Jeremy Kyle show is, I think. Like it's not a laudable thing to it. - Yeah. - It's sort of voyeurism and dysfunctional things, but have you ever seen anyone's where someone's like, my spouse is starting acting like weird or aggressive or something. And then it turns out they had like a brain tumor. - Oh, that's horrible. - It's like, I'm starting to get like, just those ones scare the shit out of me where it's like, someone's behavior just changes early. - I've not seen any of those ones, but that's horrible. - Yeah, they're, I don't just, I saw a horrible one the other day, but it's not really fun to talk about. So I'll tell you later. - People was like, - Some of the stuff on there is horrible, but we just bring happy times here. - Yeah. - Apart from your history segments, man, they're horrible. - This one's more fun. - Oh, I look forward to it. - I'm hoping I'm trying to find a balance of people last two weeks were pretty grim. - Ernest Lee depressing is how I describe them. - Educational, but awful. - Yeah. - So I guess back to the game, we had that conflict where I lost under the 25%. And then I weighed up going again. - And you decided not to? - Yes. - You bit off more than you could chew. The Millettie Division can't be stopped. - Well, I didn't, I was what weighing up whether having an additional free cohesion. 'Cause if I attacked it, would you use five, which would put it to minus two? - Oh wow. - So, 'cause they were exactly on 20, exactly on 20 CPA after the, - That last one, the last fight. - So, do I push them? And if you weren't holding, I think I might of, 'cause it'd go to minus two. - But they got to show the fight. - Show the back, go back to one. Would it be all right? - But would you do in the hold? - Yeah. - It's like, I actually want those five cohesion points more than I want to rein the damage on. - Yeah, it's a nice position for me to be in where I'm now putting you on the back burner, the back foot rather, so that you have to choose whether or not to actually go over your cohesion. - Yeah. - My real thing I'm trying to go for is your ammo, your supplies. Cohesion, it refreshes. I'm only refreshes when you get stuff there. - Yes. - Which is something I actually wrestled with a bit today. But moving on from that. - That's been finished up with the seventh. - And then I sent the fourth off. - Yes. - Do you attack your retreated body of garrison? Which was a bit of a messy one for me. - You just retreated on that one didn't you? - Yeah, but it's one of those situations where I pulled them back and then I realized, hmm, hang on a minute, this is something that can continue going on. I can't actually fight back very efficiently because they're not a division. - No. - So when you started to advance on them again, I was like, ah, I can't actually sustain this too much. - From what I've determined, do they have a minus one morale as well? - I off the top of my head, it might be minus two. - Yeah, so you've got, I think division, are they a three or two on certain points? - Two, these guys I think. - So I think that's free inherently from division. - And then the morale is inherently a difference of two before any cohesion stuff. - Yeah, that could fall comfortably into a five. - Or a six. - Yeah, at which point we're looking at an eight. I'm on the border of the overrun. - But four putting a guy in like nice. - And these guys are all good. There's four infantry in there, fair enough, but it's pretty much all good. - Yeah, that's why the morale thing is way more important than I thought it was over the last two turns. I've sort of realized that I think that like, - When we've had more frequent combat. - Yeah, the morale's so important. - 'Cause yeah, as we say there, like you can have a much smaller unit, but if the morale, I think that's why the 11th is our state. - So long they are two morale. - Yeah, which men, which is like 20 actual points, which is two to three infantry companies. - Yeah. - Like that's the effect. Good morale has. - That's why I try and like point a laugh at you as much as I can during the game to bring down your actual real life morale. - It does. If it gets to the out, take one off a unit. - Yeah, I've been going on to your laptop when you've been at the toilet and taking it off for that reason. - Oh, they're my double-doin it. - Oh, double down. - Yeah. - I also just take things from around your house, like fuses and light bulbs. - Let's find all the fucking light bulbs. Anyway. - We are playing this in a very dark home every day. The summer months are coming. - Yes. - Daylight Savings time kicks in soon. You don't like that, do you? You're a big daylight savings time denial. - I just think it's dumb. - I bet you are. I bet you don't adjust your clocks. - They're old digital. - I bet you go around telling people, no, no, it's actually six o'clock, not seven. - No, I quite often don't realize that happened, but I think it's a dumb thing we do. - I think it's a nice treat. Get in that extra hour. - You just buy losing an hour elsewhere. - The only time I really recognize those hours are usually around when they go back because it's often around Halloween. And I usually go to like a Halloween night out. So it gets really late on and then it resets. It's like, oh, taxis are gonna be slightly cheaper for a bit longer because people don't realize how late it is. And then I can, then I slip into that window and get home for a lower price. - Right, I don't think that's how it works. - It is, I finesse the system. People look at that clock and they're all drunk off their mind, but I've thought this through. I'm dressed as the Mandalorian and I'm ready to get a taxi. It works wonders. - So yeah, the fall for taxis you guys, you retreated. So I pulled them back to that supply dump that I lost two turns ago. - The Fort Maddalena supply dump, the one just to the east of there. - Yes. - Which has been home to many of different groups of people. - Yeah, that's seen like multiple divisions from both sides come through. - The seventh armored, the fourth black shirts, the first black shirts, now the fourth Indian division have all taken their share from that supply dump. - Yeah. - It's a very diverse group. - It's been a, it's sort of a well placed supply dump in the fact that it's useful for both of us, which I guess is not well placed. - Yeah, badly placed by you. And the thing is, every time we're swapping out, we're having the third of the amount of ammo in there. - Yeah, which is a real. - It's a hassle. Speaking of supply dumps, we, small bit I did do during the organization phase is I've built a supply dump at City Barani at the end of the, my bit of the coast road. - Yes. - So, I mean, I probably should have done that. A long time ago. - A long time ago, but I've done it now. - I know that you've done it. You are still in as much trouble as you were. Because all it means is you're gonna have to have a little truck convoy that works as a node between there and your guys that are down in the fight, your fourth and seventh. And that is a nice spot for me to intercept. - Yeah. - Realistically, that's where I'm gonna get the trucks. - Yes, 'cause I've now broken them out.
of being in fortified positions. - Yeah, they're no longer zip and no longer roads or hiding in mercenaries. - Yes, they are vulnerable to farmers now. - Or any sort of guys I can slip through the cracks. If we'll need the Saharan detachment, we're here to see this. - I mean, I'm so glad that's not, 'cause it was just a natural worry. - Unfortunately, they're on their way to Europe. - Yeah, maybe that by now. - Maybe, maybe they're in Ireland, maybe it ties into the St. Patrick's Day theme. - Let's say it does. Did many access prisoner of wars go to Ireland? - It was a neutral country, it's pretty not. - Yeah, you're the history guy. I thought I'd go to you for this. - I mean, weird if they don't. - It's neutral that we have bill of prison camp there. - I don't know, I feel like there's definitely countries that fit that bill. - Isn't just a neutral country. They have a military base there while actively embagoing it. - Oh, did not know that. - Quantanamo Bay's in Cuba. - Oh. - Quantanamo Bay's on like a small piece of land to the America ball for rent from the Cuban government. - I know that. Did I play a part in World War II? - Yeah. - Oh, no, no. (laughing) - Right, cool. - Yeah, it's fun when you got to Ireland. - Oh, sorry, I wasn't sure of you. - I thought you were just talking in general. I didn't realize you were another World War II example. - Andy, what we're doing is World War II centric. - It is. - So I'd like it if you could keep on topic, please. I've sent this from episode one. It's my job to keep everything on track and you're the one who derails stuff with your silly tangents. I have played that role. Start a watching Hannibal recently. - Is it good? - It's actually, I've watched three episodes and it's really good. That's one of those shows that YouTube shorts loves to show me stuff which is definitely taking the wrong message, whereas Hannibal doing something sort of cool and then not like sig my music. And it's like, he has a serial killer that eats people. Can we not? - Yeah, the structure of it's not what I expected. I thought it'd be like a monster of the week or case of the week sort of thing, like a procedural. It's not, it's not, it follows a very cool structure. I'm three episodes in, I'm really enjoying it. So no spoilers, please guys. I wanna see this one through 'cause I don't have any spoilers apart from that he eats people. I know that, that's about it. - Yeah. - So getting back on topic, 'cause that only keeps on throwing me off. - God, this has been a, this has not been a focused episode. - So we then wrapped up that section of the combat. That was it, the movement was done, you went to the supply dump, there we are. And we moved on, then to trucks. Trucking wise, I decided to move one of my convoys away from map B, whether we're supplying guys with ammo in the airfields from Tobruk. And instead I've moved them all the way over to Benghazi, where they will be supplying my bombing airfields and have actually started to do that, even that, that's that upstage. - Yeah, so I'm kicking for turn four, upstage three, but they'll resupply in that upstage and be ready for turn five, upstage one. - That's right, that's when they'll really get that ammo kick in and I can actually restock that air, that airfield five times per upstage because of the proximity to Benghazi, which is, it's just an unlimited funnel basically, for the amount of ammo I'll be using. So that's incredible. - I guess you could also get rid of like a shade load of the trucks and just have like one heavy truck to five journeys, rather than have five trucks assigned. - Yeah, if I wanted to stay conservative with the amount of ammo I'm putting in there, I can just reassign them for the stuff. - Yeah. - Or break them up into dare I say small convoys, something I should have done a long time ago in the right way around that area. - Yeah, it's because you started with very small convoys. - Yeah, and I've really made a mess of the whole situation. Maybe I should have kept small convoys in certain areas. You can't change the past, but what you can do is look forward positively and that's what I'm doing. And I'm looking forward to what I've done with the rest of my trucks, which is supplying that barricade I've got next to just south of Baudier, that area with your Scotland. They are getting stocked up real nice. I've also made sure that some of the bombers and fighters are supplied around MAPI and Madelena. So I did that with the mission in mind, which is where we go next, I guess, because we moved into. - I've got something I've done for the first time in the Strick phase. - Yeah. - That truck convoys then ended up on the supply dump I'd recaptured. - Yes, that's a very good point. I'm moving where I had only had ammo in it. - Oh, no water, no stalls, no fuel. - The one that you moved into the front line. - Yeah. - That's pulled. - Yeah. - Because I get that you're confident of stores going into turn five, which you have to be all that's insane. But turn six, they could be left with half rations. That's, I'm hoping over the next free-op stages. - If you don't get supplies to them before turn six, will they be on half rations? - Yes. - So you've put all your eggs in, well, I guess you've. - I've got an entire turn as my thing. - But I'm thinking as well, my shift has turned to disrupting supply lines more so than kill you. - Oh, yeah, I mean, it's definitely a risk, but the. It means that all the ammo I use that turn pretty much is replaced. - Yeah, which means again, I can do both those divisions can do free-op four fights. - Yeah, which is good, but again, that line of people you're going up against are three to four divisions on their own. So you'd have to fight, well, I guess each of them once, ideally for you, and then get past them for that to then make up for it. - Oh, yeah, it's definitely I've taken a risk here, but I think it was just worth it cause of the level of. Like an even, they have the supplies they need. - Well, they have enough water and fuel for the rest of the game probably. - Have you thought about though? Here's a situation for you. So you move along that little line. - Yeah. - But then I block that line again behind you with those guys, and then your tricks can't get to you. - I mean, oh, it's a risk, yeah, I'm not. - I'm just thinking of like, is that something you've foreseen in your plan? - Kind of, I've got us, I know how I'm going to resupply them, but yeah. - Now it's funny you say that because I don't have any supplies to give. So if you think it's going to be the taking from me, I've got bad news, pal, I don't have supplies. - Oh, no, I guess what you're talking about as well is, you know how you're saying, will it be supplied for 10-6? - Yes. - I probably won't do the Alexander to murder some of true loop. - Okay, from your tricks, for turn six, all the tricks will probably be distributed from murder some of true, which has enough for one massive turn, and will probably end the game on like zero. - It's more case of can you get your tricks to your guys? - Yeah. - I mean, it's a bit of a bit of a bit of a problem, but I think, I think it's a bit of a problem, but I think it's a bit of a problem, but I think it's a bit of a problem, but I think it's a bit of a problem, and I think it's a bit of a problem, but I think it's a bit of a problem, but I think it's a bit of a problem, but I think it's a bit of a problem, so poignantly true. I've got a decorum to me. I've got a. I've got a sensibility. Do you hear? I follow the rules of engagement. I don't think you do. Look, just because I'm playing the bad guys in a board game, doesn't mean I'm actually the bad guys. But it doesn't mean you're not. It doesn't mean I'm not. It also doesn't mean that you're not. Look. (laughs) Being the historical good guys does not give you pedigree. It does. It just does. (laughs) Well, now I see your insecurity. Oh, of course. And I raise you one. I don't want to be the bad guys in this. I feel like it gives me a bad image. It's fun that we can play "I'm a loser" top drums. What is crazy as well, I mentioned this to you the day. The Wikipedia trading card game? Oh, yes. I was meaning to buy some packs for that, but I. Not buy, but I was meaning to look at that, but didn't. Yeah, everyone, look at it. There's a Wikipedia trading card game. That's crazy. Yeah, I should play it, because I've spent enough time with it now. I like Wikipedia. I think it's quite useful. I'm a big fan of it, yeah. I like the way that it has everything on there that I need to check. In broad strokes. Yeah, it's a very. Like, people give it shit, but it's very good for like an overview into a topic. Yeah, it's usually relatively accurate. Like, teachers were always like, "Anyone can edit that." It's like, "Only if you sign up." It was a while ago. I saw a thing actually that said that
- Per page Wikipedia has a lower error rate than the encyclopedia Britannica? - That, not I believe. - Yeah, but it's also like when people are like, "Eddy, what could edit it?" It's like, they also have a pretty strong moderation policy. - Yeah, anyone can edit it. - Yeah. - It doesn't necessarily mean anybody will edit it and with wrong information. - Yeah. - If you're committing to editing it, you've probably got a reason to, or you're a very committed troll. - Yeah, I guess the only ones you can't trust are like, potentially political pages where people are coming in with like bias. - I don't think I'd try to look for political in the viral Wikipedia. I thought it's a really good way to be misinformed. - Yeah. Well, is it, do you know XKCD? - No, I don't see the black and white stickman webcomic. - Okay. - Do you have what are the comics? Whether like I've managed to circumvent the like Wikipedia politics thing, if you offered, if the page for abortion has an odd number of characters, I'll give this much money to one side. And if I was even, I'll give it to this side, but it's just the amount of characters. It's not the content. And then it's just, I just ruined the Wikipedia page. It's the like, just makes it an edit of all. That's a funny way to sabotage information. - Yeah. - That's like internet awesome. - Yeah. - Moving on beyond awesome and tricks, do we have to? Unfortunately, it's keeping in the spirit of the podcast if we move on. - Okay. - But it's also keeping in the spirit of the podcast that we did that. - Yes. - So we moved on to the next turn. We wrapped up our tricks and we moved on to your choice of initiative and who went first? - I chose me. - Of course you did. - And. - And. - Rolled weather? - You did, you ruled the weather and I was astounded to find out that we're ending turn four with normal weather. - Yeah. Do you know how many upsides was in a row we've had hot, which is not meant to be the most common during autumn fall? - Yeah. - Two? - Hot was turn three, up stage three. - Oh. - And then turn four, one and two. - Wow, so it's been three. - Yeah. We've actually looking at the list, had the same amount of hot and normal. - And then we've had one that's been a. We've had two that have been. - Two rainstorms. - Rainstorms. - And no sandstorms. - Wow. Yeah. That's a nice eclectic mix. We need to get a sandstorm in before we're done. I really hope we get one. - Yeah, I would have liked to see one. I hope we get one of like. - I hope we get one for six, six. - Six three rather. I hope we get one for the big finale. - I kind of hope it's not for that, 'cause I want that to be. That's the everyone empty the gas tank, everyone empty the clip. - That's why I think it'll be. - It'll be nuts. - It'll be great if there's also the sandstorm coming in on that. - Yeah, it does add a. - Fight against. - Does that a dramatic. Yeah. That's wrong. - Oh, I guess just go full on desert and it's just hot weather at the very end. - Yes. - Oh, go full on this whole thing and it's just bland, normal weather and we don't get anything exciting. It just happens. - All turn six is just the map covering rainstorms. Just there's no planes. - Just no one can move. - Blessing the rains down in Africa. We did, however, we even managed to get some air stuff done. We were very efficient today. - We planned it. We've got. - We've got our missions ready. - We've got our planned four missions. You plan two. - Yes. I have a strafing and bombing mission, both assigned to the seventh armored division. - I heard combat air patrol for above the seventh and the fourth and then I've got two bombing rounds as well. - And then we spent 45 minutes looking through rules. - Yes, we had another rule deep dive, which actually was a rule deep dive about something that wasn't relevant to what we were doing but we were like bugging us. - Yeah. - Which is how the intercepts work for planes. - Well, this is one that, yeah, it really bothered me because I came from a stance and we'll give a bit of context to this since I doubt anyone plays this game very much apart from the two or three who have told us explicitly that you do. - Yeah, weirdly, for a game no one's playing with quite a few people who are playing and have given us thanks to them good rule insight. - Yeah, I will listen to bass in terms of actual people who have played the game in the general population is so disproportionate, it's like a factor. It's insane how many people play it compared to the Gen Pop. - Well, there's a lot of people playing it solo, which I think is cool. - We've got at least two people that have gotten to do this who play this game on their own. - Yeah. - Which I don't know if it's because they want to hurt themselves and this is the way to do it or if they're just far more tempered in expectation than we are and they're fine with what this game is and don't need to add in all of the elements that we do. We started a podcast so we can finish this game. If that doesn't scream insecure, I don't know what to do. All we started playing this game to do a podcast, I mean, it's hard to say which way it went. - It's a sort of trick or an egg or a Boris thing. - Yeah, we don't need to get into that. We don't need to figure that out. No, that's not look inward. That's look outward. - Introspection for nerds. - And we looked outward, we looked to each other for answers with these rules and we couldn't find them because the interception rules for Ayrstuff means that when planes are doing air patrol, we didn't know if the intercept meant whatever path that they flew round, anyone who moves into that fly path at any point on that journey is intercepted or whether it's wherever they end up trying to defend if someone passes through that then they get intercepted. - Yes, and I think what our confusion came down to ultimately was interception is mentioned with combat air patrol in which it's if something's route passes through where it's doing it or it's on a control it can intercept and then there's also interception from Scramble which is where you essentially in the mission declaration phase you put your unit on stand by to like, yeah, Scramble and those ones can intercept on anywhere on the route. - Yeah, that's the big thing. - That's what we could tell. So yeah, if you use the word "interception" Scramble and then the septum just intercept. - That's because the game decides to use the word "intercept" in two different contexts without explaining it's going to be using them differently. - Yeah, so we thought there was an interception concept. - And there isn't. - It's not the way we thought. I look for subsections called like intercept in the air rules and there isn't one. And then we check the addenda and there is addenda but not about intercept specifically. It's another situation where the game rules are just a fucking mess but also super-size that we did finally find the answer. - Yeah, a lot of it is us. - I know, I know. And I don't like that the game makes me feel so small sometimes. (laughing) Like I feel so big when I think I'm tackling this thing. This behemoth is gonna be mine to break the back of. And then I remember, you've just filled your hole down your throat. - Yeah. - It does am I. Green can as well. St. Patrick's Day. You drove the snake out of the can and onto your chest. The game is still even this far in. It's still catching me off guard and getting me wound up. - Yeah. And that is something that I feel, we're getting towards the end of the practice scenario. It's within view now. We're coming to the very end of turn four and we've got turn five and six to come and we're making good headway. We nearly did a full-up stage today. - Yes, homework obviously. But in terms of like the stuff we both need to be there for. - We nearly ticked it all off. - Yeah. - And that tends to happen. We get end of combat to the air phase we tend to do in one. - We can tick that off quite nicely. And I think we, I don't know about you, but I feel a sort of a quickening coming. The end of this phase feels like it's ready. Yes. It feels like the practice scenario has now poised itself where comfortable with the rules as we know them, but we are still checking them. It does feel like we're getting into a flow of that though. This rechecking of the rules feels more natural now. And I think as we start to come towards the end of this funnel, it's gonna go well. - Yeah, I think we need to just make sure we don't get overconfident on like even while we're doing the game, we're gonna refer to the rules even if we think we know them. I think we also said every five turns, we're gonna do it a little, in the main game, do a little refresh. - Which we should like go through getting in again, 'cause there's definitely stuff we've done wrong from massively wrong. Start of the, start of the practice scenario. Up to now, there'll be rules where still not. - A hundred percent. - Yeah. - Yeah.
And when it comes to the full game, I fear it and I know it will happen. There's going to be an anxiety that builds in me, which means checking the rules is going to become another arduous task. It's going to sort of reset the board on how I get angry with the game. Yeah, and I'm fine with that. I know it's going to happen. Because it was a resolution I made last year, for last year that I'm not going to get angry at the game. I'm allowed to get angry this year. I'm angry a little bit today at the game. Fair enough. Not fully because yes, I did just misread where the rules were. So it's not on the game on this one instance, but I'm still allowed to be angry at it. Sure. I'm valid with that. Yeah, it's acceptable. And that's where we ended with our emissions ready to go. My straight thing and my bombing and your. So yeah, you're going to stray from bomb the 7th, I've intercepted. You've got. I mean, intercepted was 26 brilliance you were sounding? 26 bombers are going to be dropping their load on the 7th armoured. And I'm intercepting them with 23 planes. In particular, my better planes? Yes, they seem scary from the Takaer and maneuverability. Yes, the Blenheim Mark IV fighter vision against my hurricanes, first. My C309s. And I also have some CR32s, eight of them that are going to be strafing the 7th. Right. So I'm interested to see how that pans out. And it's going to be fun. I love air combat. And I think as well as air combat, we're also going to be able to take off some of the movement phase as well. Quite comfortably next time. Next time. Yep. So that's all to come. But that's what we did today. And it felt like really moving forward. Yeah, I think we did a. It was a smooth one. It was. Even with the rules checking. I can see the end of Turn 4 and it feels structured. It feels like we're heading into Turn 5 and 6 with a conflict that's been mapped out. And I don't think either, like, at various points we've both been sort of floundering. Yeah, I think we've ended up in a nice. It's nice that going into the back, third of the scenario. I feel like both of us are in an alright place. I think you probably are in a better position. But I don't feel like there's nothing I could. I've got plans. I'm not like, oh shit, this is like grind out to the end. You've got a comfortable offensive strategy and I'm really. I'm really dug in with my defensive. I'm comfortable in being able to hold you off to a certain degree. There's definitely tactics either of us could pull that change this completely. Oh yeah. But that also depends on stuff like weather, supply lines going well, someone not pulling the rug out from the other. Yeah. Well, I was thinking about when we were rolling the weather for this one. The whole double back to back in, like, combat stage thing could be completely ruined. If it was like a sandstorm or a rainstorm? Yes, because then you're left on. You're trying to make up the last time. And I also. I can't utilize. They can't move as far break down more likely. I can't utilize the turn. I've given myself so I was pretty happy when it became normal. I think we've both done well. We're in some solid ground. And the only thing that could shake it is each other's tomfoolery. That's kind of the whole thing though. But I guess we've had our chat here. Should we answer some mail bank? I suppose we should see what everyone else is saying instead of us just yapping the whole time. I'd have a little delve into this bag of ours. We've got some good pieces of mail in here. However, our supply is running a little bit drier than usual. We started to make our way through them bit by bit. So if anyone does want to send anything to us, the email address is
[email protected]. The website is warwothermates.co.uk And the Instagram is just warwothermates. So if anyone else wants to get on in here, because we've got. We've definitely got a better supply than my men do, but not as good as suppliers your men do. We've got a couple of good big ones people have sent in coming up. Oh, we've got some real hefty ones. So if anyone wants to get their thoughts in, it doesn't really matter what it's about. It's ideally about the game, but we kind of do anything. We'll answer anything. We're not picky. We're kind of desperate about that kind of thing. Look back to the early episodes. You'll know how desperate we are. But to begin, we have Bianca. And Bianca says, "Hey guys, I recently started listening to your podcast from episode one. I just finished episode 13. Ah, so the desperate era. I have several corrections regarding your statement about not letting cats stay inside and letting them feed on pests. City ecosystems are just as important as any other. I agree, Bianca. I live in a city. I need to go to fast food restaurants in the city. I need to buy the horrible dietary requirement food that I have, which is just unhealthy stuff. So I completely agree. City ecosystems are important. I don't think that's what you're getting at, though. Pigeons specifically control the insect and fly populations. You wouldn't want more mosquitoes in the summer, would you? Though I doubt you get them in the UK. Very rainy. Can regards from Austria, not Australia, Bianca? We do get mosquitoes occasionally, but yeah, not as bad as other places. I don't think I've ever seen a mosquito. Oh, okay. Like in my life. That seems wrong. I don't think I've ever been anywhere weather prevalent. That cat common ground has been. That's a real controversial one. Yeah, that one's the kettle one sort of riled people up because it was just rubbish. That cat one, so it's really hit and nerve on some people. Well, the kettle one riled me up and one of the person intensely who really went in on you. Yes, that English friend with a potty mouth decided to pass on some components which were just the worst things to say. Whereas the cat one, I see it in our YouTube comments. I see it in the like four or five emails we've had mentioned in it. Yeah. So here's one. Yeah, if anyone has any thoughts on a common ground that we've had that's particularly sat with them. Whether it's an agreement or disagreement on either side. Let us know because we'd like to know which common ground really sticks in your mind. Maybe you've got a favourite. Maybe you've got a least favourite. Maybe you just really didn't enjoy listening to one. Maybe the kettle one really didn't sit with you well. We've discussed the kettle one. We can move on from kettle. Yeah, we can. I don't have to. This is actually my platform. You should want to. We're allowed to both have equal screen time. Okay. But we'll give screen time more to the mailbag. Who else we got here, Andy? Yes, we got one from Monty. Monty is a mainstay in our. In a regular email. He sent some good stuff. Some really good stuff and he's back in touch. He sent the. Hope I'm right about this. He sent the POW diary for his family member that was really interesting. Could well be Monty. Yeah. We'll double check. If not, very sorry. But yeah, Monty. Good afternoon, Lads. You're all. It's Monty from Texas again. I honestly don't have much to add this week except I finished episode 64. So during the common ground, which by the way is a great one, both my parents are English majors. So the topic of what exactly words mean comes up a lot in my house. James is joke about the Garfield Google search to his co-workers absolutely cracked me up. I'm talking literally, actually literally not figuratively literally tears in my eyes. I was laughing so hard. Going through some tough stuff at the moment. But here and you both talk about the game, especially just being happy jolly friends. Having a blast together is a serious highlight of why my week and makes my day a bit brighter when I get to listen to you. Thanks so much for continuing to do this and being a joy in the world. Much love Monty. Thank you very much, Monty. Monty, I'm not having a blast. I hate this game. Okay. Anyway, glad we're helping you out and providing a little bit of joy. I know James seems to tim and not to. I'm really glad that it's a bit of a highlight in your week, Monty. I hope you're doing all right. Well, you know, I love podcasts being a bit of an outlet for people to get away from it all. So I'm really glad you get that from this Monty. Oh, yeah. And when it comes to the Garfield joke, that is hilarious. I agree. That's some of the funniest shit I've ever done. The fact that you sent in an email telling me that that made me happy. That brightened my day through my hard times because that is the funniest thing I've ever done. By far and away, the best joke. Well, it's a wonderful symbiosis that you do and it has brought someone joy and then telling you about it has brought you joy. Everyone who doesn't know what that is, go back to episode 64 when I talk about it. It's so good. I'm so funny. Okay. It's so good. But I love how about it too much. It's just a jolly good time. What it comes to you, your parents being English majors, that's really cool. Yeah. Because they're both English majors. That's definitely how they met.
- I'm pretty used to gas. - Yeah, that's the Monty Parent Love Story story. - That's not part of our law. - Yeah, Monty gets in touch a lot. So Monty's part of us, so we are part of his parents. So I feel like I know them at this point. I've got a very clear picture as to who Monty's parents are. - Okay. (laughing) - It's a step beyond accidently doxing people. - No, I want to power socially absorb Monty's parents into my personal zeitgeist. - But the first thing is you will power socially of away. (laughing) - We're gonna start crashing people's birthday parties. Look, as you really mentioned in an episode, Mailbag, "Oh, my birthday was this week. "We will find out where you live. "We will find your birthday party. "We will come and we won't cake." - Also, if you want to advise to any weddings, if there's an open bar, I'll probably come. - We do weddings, by the way. We do attend weddings. - I've attended several weddings in the past. - Yeah. - And I will do it in the capacity of war with a mate. I'll show up with like regalia. I'll show up in costume. I'll do anything. I'll just love to be invited somewhere. - I'll do anything. I just want to be invited. - We'll come along. Hire us for events. It's actually free. We just want to be part of something. But weddings aside, I imagine Monty's parents could well be married already. So we might have missed a vote on that one. But thank you for the email Monty. And for anyone wanting to get in touch, like I say, you've got the details in for War with the Mate. - Yes. - I could at UK. War with the Mate, I could at UK as the website. We've got a web form on there, it works. And the Instagram is just War with the Mate. As well as that, we also have a live show coming up. The first and maybe only War with the Mate live show, depending on how we go. People might detest it. I think we'll enjoy it either way. We'll have a good time. We're going to be at the UK Games Expo in May of this year. It's in Birmingham in the UK. I know a lot of our listeners are by happenstance international, a lot in Australia. So that's a trek to get there. But if you're already showing up to the UK Games Expo, we'll be there details to follow. It will be on the Saturday. Keep an eye on the Instagram and I guess listen to this. We'll usually mention this around the Mailbag segment. And when it gets closer, I guess other parts just to make sure people know what's going on. But we'll be there doing a live episode of the podcast. There'll not be any gameplay. We try to work out that. The event doesn't really have the facilities to let us play it. - Which honestly is kind of a good thing, because taking those five. - The frowns. - The frowns. -. picture frames of the game. On what would let's be honest, be public. It'll be trains, buses. - Yeah, it would be a mess to bring it there. But they don't do exhibition shows at the UK Games Expo. So unless we do the tournament for the board game, which isn't feasible unless the Games Expo lasts a century. It can't be done, but we will do our usual thing. It'll be great to see anyone there. So come along. But that is it for the mailbag. That's a wrap-dub for now. So with that, we will be moving on to hopefully, now that we've got rid of the horrors of the Ethiopian assault from Italy. Maybe something more light-hearted? - Sure, yeah. - Sure, be. - Now let's find out. (upbeat music) - The men of the long-range desert patrols are quite a sight and they're returned a chiro from a moam strip. - The contrast between the east and west of the Nile is very marked in the east. - At this point, I'm getting little thoughts about my pastress, but it'll always be interesting boats in the sea. - What put in there is more or less in a position of a conscious ember, as I've had telegrammage as far the point of sinking because errors are present. - We are absolutely not qualified to share views on history. Into the past, in our future. - Yes. - Well, I guess it's current time for anyone who's listening. It's the most recent movement in history if you're listening to me say this right now. So linear time works. - It is. - But we're going back. Oh, what to? When to? - When to all the way back to the eight-year-old century. - This is too far. You've done the history segment. - Eight-year-old front, sorry. - No, no, that's far too late, Andy. That's far too far too far. - Okay. - I'll take you with the quote and we'll get into it. - That's here it. - Remember the son of a king, like the son of a shoemaker, when he is a donkey, is a donkey. - Right. I feel like you've lost the essence of what the history segment is. - You know what I mean? - You went way too early. What's going on here? - I guess you'll find out, but that was a quote from a Guido Ozo to Victoria Emmanuel the third when he took the throne. - Okay. Which throne would that be? - The throne of Italy. - We're talking about the Italian king for this. - Right. We didn't have a nice time with Italy last time. - No, but it's one of two things we can focus on at the minute. (laughing) - I guess, I don't know, maybe there's some desert stuff we could do. - Victoria Emmanuel Fernando Maria Gagnaro of the House of Savoy was born on the 11th of November, 1869 in Naples, while his parents were there on a trip. Hard launch, yes. He was born to the son of King Embeu, the first of Italy, a Saviomán with a very impressive mustache. They, in my opinion, is slightly too big for his head. (laughing) - That caught me. - That caught me. - Wow, that really caught me. Sorry, I need a moment of catch for a breath then. (laughing) - Oh, that went down the wrong way. You caught me midgulp. - Okay. - Wow, continue, sorry, that the mustache comment was very good. - You're right now. - I'm all right, we can continue. - Okay. - Wow. So yes, he's got a ton of big mustache in his mum is Queen Margarita or Margaret. He's an only child, so he knows his entire life that one day he'll be King. He's a very sickly child with a wide range of ailments, including something similar to Ricketts. This is due to severe inbreeding amongst the European mobility. - Yeah. I've got a little visual aid for you here. - You got a visual aid for me? - Yes. This, would you say, is a fairly standard family tree? You know, eight different grandparents. - Yeah, so one only show me is a, yeah, it's your typical family tree. It's two that then link down into one and then two and what, yeah, yeah, that's a normal family tree. - And just have a look at this. You try to figure that out while you look at it, but I'll say this, three of his four grandparents were first cousins to each other. - Andy, this looks like a map. - Yeah. - This looks like a map I would do for a D&D session. Like this is a dungeon crawl because it's not a tree. It's not a family tree. - You can get to a lot of these different boxes from different routes. You can loop around. You can go back on yourself quite easily. - Yes, so. Yeah, I appreciate the word. This is hand drawn. You've drawn this. - Yeah, I drew that to get a track of what was going on 'cause I was trying to understand. - You know what, we'll put this on as the Instagram picture this week 'cause this is a mess. Yeah, open the top, this loops background on itself and then branches up into the loop. There's a pocket where the family tree goes up into itself and hides away in the past. - Yes. What a horrible family. - Yes, this is a deep problem with European and European ability, especially this late in the day. - There's one guy who interconnects, yeah, I don't actually know what the relations would be in some of these. They're like first cousins and grandpas. Free of his grandparents have the same parents. - Yes, that's what I'm getting from this. There's a pocket where two of them are unrelated but some of them link background. - Everyone else is related. - Yeah, this is a closed loop is the issue. The tree doesn't branch in from off grid. This is a self-contained family tree. - Yes. - So sickly child. - It's a COVID family bubble. - Yeah. You have to wear braces to strengthen his legs all throughout his childhood, which contributed to a short stature. He'd only grow to 1.5 to meters of five feet tall. This led to him being resentful and insecure once his mum proposed going on a walk together in Rome and he replied to his mother and where do you want to go to show yourself with a dwarf? - So a lot of insecurity here and just not healthy. - I'd be insecure if that was me in that situation. - Yeah. So his family's severe and militaristic view towards education.
as well as discouraging any display of emotion leads to just a very sort of twisted in like unhealthy childhood. His tutor is a former military officer who gave the quote I started the episode with who'd commanded men in combat and was known for his toughness. He educated him in something called the Prussian model which sees the king as a the vital military leader for an army which must be at the center of the state. This model sometimes describes as not a country with an army but an army with a country. Interesting way to phrase that. Yeah, some people think this his tutor had a bad influence on him. I'm inclined to agree. A Guido, Osio and made it already insecure prints more insecure. But despite that, they remain friends right in true each other often daily for years. So also as soon as he's born pretty much, his care is given entirely to a nurse, Bessie, the widow of a British officer and very importantly to his mother, a Catholic. So his wet nurse and then his nurse is the only like familial bond he ever forms in his like he never forms that bond of his parents. Oh, that doesn't feel healthy at all, but it's not entirely neglect because he and his parents will have formal dinner twice a week. That doesn't mean it's not neglect. Yeah, that's their only contacts. Right, that's not that's not absorbing them of neglect. That just means they're also I guess looking for optic repairs. Yeah, or just like your kid is someone else's problem. Yeah, I know, you know, different strokes and all, but that doesn't really feel like it fixes the problems that they've created here. No, it also very typical at the time for like royals, which is why they're all so badly adjusted. Now why do they keep on fucking each other? It's bizarre. They clearly on fond of each other. Why do they keep on mating? It's I don't know. At the age of nine, you've witnessed as an assassination attempt on his father firsthand. The prime minister gets between the assassin's life and the king and the prime minister's blood splatters all over the nine year old princess uniform. He's commented at the time to have remained like stoic and impassive, but later that night when it feels safe with Bessie, you wept like to her for hours. So it's like having to keep someone just tried to kill your father. You have blood all over you and you're not allowed to cry or show any emotion until you're in private. And in this case with the mate who's the only person who feels safe to cry with. There's two parts to that one that is absolutely horrific. What a horrible thing for a child to have to go through. That is neglect. Yeah. The fact that the only safe space is someone who's divorced from the family in any familial bond. Yeah. And that's the safe space to go to. The second, what I find really hilarious is that you described it as witnessing it firsthand because in these times the only way to witness it's second hand is just have someone drew what was happening. And then show them a picture of it. Or the guy went handling a crime camera for 20 minutes didn't capture. It's like a flickering light. He's got the hood over his head because he's snapping pictures and then show him later. Second hand assassination attempt. Yeah, good point. But everyone experiences this at that point. But horrible nonetheless. Oh, yeah. So yeah, as an only child with physical limitations, he's introverted and this leads him to dive into his studies. By the age of 10, he's memorized his entire family tree. That's a circle. I will say that is slightly less impressive than most people because there's less names to memorize. If anyone's ever memorized a map of an area or if you ever played Elder Scrolls for Oblivion and you remember the layout of a tomb, it's just that except each room is a name. Also, you're remembering the names of your great grandparents, free of the eight pairs are the same people. It's actually you're kind of speedrunning remembering things. But yeah, he is a he is very intelligent and he's also sent to this prestigious military college college which has a motto of in peace and in war, which is focused on making students not just military office offices, but good citizens. Although I did find one thing I couldn't find a club collaboration on it, but because it's a military academy, people who go there are members of the military. I don't I couldn't confirm this because I only found it from one source, but I did see something that saying they changed the physical requirements to join the army. So he could. They like change the height requirements and the physical standards so he could get in talk about privilege. Yeah, they're adjusting the overall requirements to join the military so one guy can get in. Yeah, but he's very smart academically. He's great at history and geography to the point where he's occasionally consulted by people outside, Italy for help on things like treaties, including a couple in like South America. So he's not he's royal, but he's not. He's not token royal. He's actually effective in these rules. He's not getting a title for the sake of a title. He's getting a title because he's good at what he does. Yeah, yeah, he's good at what he's interested in a good. It's just unfortunately that isn't the skill set required to be a king. Unfortunately, yes, he's got other interests. Indeed, he does. And one of his main interests, there will be a lifelong passion is coin collecting. Okay, to the point that between 1909 and 1943, he wrote a 20 volume book called numerous Italian, currim. Definitely pronounced that right. That sounds like a corpus, Neweriam, Italian, but it's a 20 volume book that classifies and describes every Italian coin ever printed or made. Fuck, this guy did war with the maid, but for coins. Yeah, something that takes a lifetime and it's kind of pointless. Yeah, in fact, at one point, you would say to the current Prime Minister of Italy at the time. I leave to the Italian people the coin collection, which has been the greatest passion of my life. He loves collecting coins. This guy is very invested. Yeah, this sounds like, yeah, that the guy might have had a hyper fixation. Yes, I think that would be a fair. He spends his early 20s and April naples, which is probably the best bit of his life. He makes some friends who get him out with Shell and he starts to date and socialize. He mainly dates actresses and dancers, although there's a barreness in there. We might have had an illegitimate daughter with. He loves Shakespeare, like respects Shakespeare a lot, but doesn't like plays. That's interesting. So he likes artists and actresses and stuff. He doesn't actually like. He likes live show. He likes written word, but not live shows. Yeah, but he also has an attraction to the people doing doing the live shows. Yeah. Yeah, but he doesn't want to see the art they're doing necessarily. That's a really interesting dichotomy. So he's living things up here, but things are moving behind the scenes. A Savoy has not been single at 25 before and he should long ago have been married, but he's incredibly resistant to this because of his own experiences and literally his reflection in the mirror in a mirror is a heart reminder, like the results of arranged marriages. This guy is living a very deep life. Yeah. He has a few potential matches that fall through for various reasons. Like one of them is one of his suit is is Anglican Princess of Wales, but his mother's said she has to be Catholic and renounce their religion for them to get married. And that causes an issue. There's a couple of others. One of them is apparently hotter than his mum. So she says no, because she doesn't want anyone hotter around. I don't like the connotations of any of that. No, it's pretty gross. But at one point, Kaiser, it's such a thing across European like ability circles that at one point function, Kaiser will melm the ruler of Germany approaches him and asking why he's not married. And fair play to the kid. He just says it's not of your business. Yeah, I mean, good on him. Yeah, I'm on I'm on part for that. Eventually though they do find a suitable candidate, Eleanor of Montenegril. It's a good match politically, even though her family's a bit poorer, they're relatively new ability, whereas this voice of the second oldest royal family in Europe. So it's kind of seen as a thing below a station, but there's also some benefits to well, one she's six foot tall. Oh, so that kids.
They see this as a kind of like this royal family are fell in new and on ravaged by inbreeding Our families got to we need some outside So they're almost we need like a zip in our gene pool. They're trying to kind of over correct almost Yeah, where because at the time like because on average women are shorter than men Yeah, and back then I know average high-pitched lower because of diet So they've yeah that they found someone who's unusually tall yeah from a female perspective and This guy who's short so they're trying to undo inbreeding Yes, and also Thing is I don't know enough about genealogy to know how this would work out But I feel like I'm probably on par with someone who's from a well-educated world Like 150 years ago, and then I transposed as a the people who should be intelligent back then So maybe I'm on the same level. Maybe I would make this silly presumption. Yeah, I know at this point of vast Conspiracy kicks in emotion which basically every member of an ability except Except Vittorio is a part of where they've found this woman will be a good match But because of his resistance to arranged marriages They can't push it So they think their family are a good kind of it's at the initial meeting both Eleanor and her sister or Present in case he has a preference for one over the other. That's so awkward. Yeah He doesn't know this though He's the literally the only person in the dark about what's going on here. So the sister's no yes So you're going to along to this party like this is going to be your possible husband However, we have brought your sister along just in case he doesn't really like you. Yeah, well this is Unfortunately, that is the role of women in a royal But still is doing the feeling of that must be so horrible. Yeah, that's all fucking grim But he does like Eleanor when he meets her and then 13 months later they meet again at a function in Moscow and he's smitten with her And that this but he's worried to tell his parents about it because she's of a lower standing Even though everyone is arranging this for him And he knows that they're arranging it. No, oh he doesn't know any of it He's against arranged marriages because he's like I'm five foot tall I'm racked by all of these essentially like results of in breeding. Oh, I don't want to have an arranged marriage They find this person who's a good candidate for him. I put the Christ She's a good candidate if they say if they pushed you hard he'll say no I thought that they'd proposed it as like oh this is kind of arranged, but we've got these two people you can pick from No, it was like arranged in the fact they were like he's we're gonna marry him into this family ideally Eleanor the elder but if not so that sister will be there in case he doesn't like her but might They're trying to synthesize a mid cute. Yes, and he has no idea. Yeah to the point where he gets smitten with her But is there's a delay because he's worried about telling his family because he thinks they won't approve This is no they've arranged the whole thing. This is a period piece sitcom by the way. Yes. This is this is how I met your counters Yeah, and then he he does eventually tell them and they hug him in a rare moment of affection even though he thought they'd be Like upset about it because she's lower standing and all this stuff But it's just like it's almost the relief of like oh you are getting Matt awesome and he doesn't find out for a long time that it's also I got a correction on that That's not a right moment of affection. That's that's not a section from them No, but not no that's not a section still that's like if you if like a group of people survive a car crash or a plane crash Or some sort of tragedy and they hug each other afterwards. It's not affection. It's oh my god. This worked It's adrenaline. It's it's a primal success. Yes. Yeah, I guess it's they're not living him from his perspective But it's at least some physical contact with his parents What a horrible measure of affection. Yeah, he gets married in Rome on the 24th of August Not everyone's thrilled about it in particularly this is a quote from a news player from the time that Horrible about this the king whose form and stature did not the prince or whose form and stature did not already Conform to the physical ideals of that the people had of kings and a princess gracious gracious kind sweet creature, but certainly not a Greek Helen who inflamed hearts Horrible thing or right about the tabloids running a hit piece. Yeah, it's also this kind of thing of like oh, so What happened with mega and harry happened in the fairies and like it's just about to say these are the Megan and Harry of Yeah, like it's 18 1800 the tabloids on you they captured something It's always exists very old institution. Yeah, ragging on the elite But despite this critique there are good marks. They seem very happy together. They're actually By all accounts in love also seems to have a good Is insecurity seems to fade away a bit about his height like there's this really it's quite a fun sweet picture of her resting a lot like a ladder up against a hit and Him standing halfway up the ladder so they can like hold hands It's like that's that's quite that's like a sweet notion. It's gone from Something about this is gone from like my height means I should never get married and I'm not fit or she's a good match basically as well. That's Yeah, that's kind of got a nice notion to it like it sounds like they do care for each other. Yeah, it sounds like a like a a natural fit in the end Yeah, so at this point they're happily married. They don't have children yet. I'll take them four years to have their first child, but Yeah, and at this point it's all looking up for him. He's in his mid for ease ease His dad is 56 at the time so he should be king for another couple of decades He's got some years. He's got some decades to spend with his wife with limited responsibilities All he has to do really is make have children. Yeah, all that changes on Sunday, 29th July 1900 when I'm better the first who already survived two assassination attempts including the one he saw as a child He's assassinated leaving a gym night gymnastics recital He's shot three times and at the age of 31 on a Mediterranean cruise with his wife Victor unexpectedly becomes king I'm gonna leave that for next time. What a cliffhanger. Yeah, what a cliffhanger now this is this is went from The harrowing war crimes of the last history segments to a sort of very Black humor romcom Yeah, I hope this one balances it a bit like obvious. It's there's gonna be grim stuff for our thought. Oh, yeah Already a lot of the people involved with this are absolute shit heads, but to a lesser degree definitely and I think that this sort of Plucky guy who's is always been you know held down by his physical attributes who Unexpectedly finds love that's been pushed upon him and yet still emerges works. Yeah, I was unexpectedly become king. Yes This is it's it's a heath ledger film. This is definitely going to be one for hijinks I can tell I want to know what happens when I get off this boat. Yeah, well What happens returning from this cruise he set off to the seas as just a married man and he's come back a king Yeah, I thought this this one was really interesting to research because he's Quite an interesting figure because Not to give too much away, but he seems like a decent guy smart Seems like if he'd been born to anything else but becoming a king Like he would have just been Probably led a fairly happy life doing coins But he has to be king he would have lived a subtle and humble life, but now he's gonna have to become brave Oh, yeah, but uh, yeah, we'll get into the rest of I look forward to finding out you all the fit. I want to find out what happens to Victor Yeah, maybe he'll become the victor of his own destiny. 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and all for what? We've got to patch it up each week. Come let the rift grow. We can't look at it too closely, instead we need to become friends, and that's why we have common ground. And now for something nicer, a little oasis in the war. It's time for some common ground. Try and live in trouble, common ground. I'm recording. Maybe. Yeah. And I've got one for you. It's the chance to become friends again every week, find an agreement on a topic that one of us chooses, alternating, and it's you, Andy, who has to bring us together with the topic of your choosing. And I think I've got one. I think you'll like it, and I need to help workshop it a bit. Perfect. OK. I think we should create the mint of low-value useful items. They are responsible for distributing them into circulation, and people stop buying them. OK. OK. This is probably going to require a hostile take over the big corporation, because the things I'm thinking of are pens and lighters. OK. But things that are just useful to have out that are also like-- like you give someone a light or a night out. It's two sort of like low stakes to go and get back. Yeah, you can't ask for that. Yeah, kind of the same with a pen. If you leave too long a window, you're like the weird one for asking for it back. Yeah, actually, I guess first of all, we need to address that. What is the longest time you can go before you ask for a pen back? Because you learn it. And I'm not talking like a nice pen. I'm talking like a ballpoint. Yeah, because if someone's got a pen-- Blanc or something, you don't make it. Same like if someone has an engraved zipper or whatever. This is the-- Yeah, Nick, by the way, being a term from North East England, I believe-- Oh, to steal. To steal. To steal. To take. Because I just realized there, as you said it, that might not be a broad term. To Nick is to steal-- I don't know what's regional. --medie. I don't know either. So yeah, if you take a fancy pen, you're in the wrong immediately, there's actually a moral obligation to give it back. But like a big pen where you get 20 for a quid. Like a disinbo- No, no. If someone takes your pen, but also your-- if it's like Morden and-- Basically, I think if the day ends, whether that's like you hanging out with that person for a day as friends or like the work day, it's gone. I think that's too long, you know? It might be, yeah. Like if I-- So say we work together. We're in an office. Yeah. And you go, oh, you got a pen. And I go, yeah, yeah, here you go. It's a disposable plastic viewpoint pen. And I give you it. And then it comes to like five minutes to five. We're ready to clock out. And I go, have you got my pen? I think that's too long. Yeah. That's weird. That's far too long. I think you've got-- I think first of all, you need to-- unless you go for it immediately, like they finish writing the thing down. And you kind of like gesture over and kind of go like, oh, I'll take that back. And they're like, yeah, there you go. Unless you do that, you have like a couple of hours window where you need to make up an excuse to just borrow your pen back. Yeah. And kind of go, oh, I'm writing some-- you got my pen. Yeah. Yeah, I'll take that back. Thank you. But I think aside from that, if it's not immediate, or it's not with an excuse soon after, you actually lose that window. And then you become a freak. Because if you try and make up the excuse of I need to borrow a pen, and it's not long afterwards, they'll see through that. If it's like four, five hours, and you go, can I borrow a pen? They'll go, I think you want this back. And if you ask explicitly for it back, you are a strange person. Yeah. So this is the-- what I'm fit-- it's these objects that are useful to be bouncing around society. We should just have an organization that-- dispenses them. Yeah, you know how the Mint sends bank notes to banks. And then if you withdraw money, it adds the note into circulation. Yeah. Just like an organization where they hire a guy and send him to the smoking area of my club in like 20 lighters. And anyone asks. So I just think rather than anyone having to buy this stuff, or look at it, you just sort of put it in. And then it becomes almost communal property thing. Big content. No one has to get angry about the pen. It's just such a low stakes thing. And also no one has to be the guy who goes and buys 100 pens in a park and ends up with like 10 of them left. Big concern though. I'm just thinking of the sort of-- you mentioned like you're on a night out, and you want a lighter. I'm not sure-- that might not be the best distribution method, but yeah, go on. But if that is the situation, who is paying for this? Because the money has to come from somewhere. We're manufacturing something that is all be it very cheap to make, I imagine. But we still need to put the cost somehow. Oh yeah. I think because it's actually very low-- I mean, you've got to pay for it, but you're not talking billions. No, no. Like I reckon if you were bulk buying half a million quit could get a years worth of pens-- --quit being another regional dialect of pound-- Half a million pounds stealing. Could get all the disposable pens and lighters the entire country needs for a year. Yes, which is fairly-- and also one of the things I was saying to help you out with this-- I fought lighters and pens immediately. Do you have any other objects do you think fallen this category where it's like it's just useful to have around, but it's not. No one wants to be the one buying it. I do, but before I get to my objects, I get to my objection just quickly, because this is an important thing to cover. Because you mentioned these things are cost are cheap. They're basically free. Yeah, very, very cheap to manufacture on mass. But you mentioned having a guy at a nightclub, or dispensing them in some way. There's a guy there. Yeah. You've got a person, and they are out of venue, or they're in an office, or they're on the street, depending on what the item is. They're ready to hand them off. And in a shop, maybe, if it's like a day-to-day item fair enough, but I want to take the example that you gave, because it's an important one. It's out of the ordinary. It's out of working hours. It's the extra-curricular moment of, I'm on a night out. I'm having a cigarette in a smoking area. I would like a lighter. All be it a dying thing, because vapes, e-cigarettes, massive now. But yeah, let's take that as an example. Maybe if a bygone era, this guy is here. Who's paying him? Because that cost is massively expanding the cost in this situation. Yeah. I guess it would be kind of like a mint employee, but maybe-- But they have to get paid money. Yeah. That might not be the best way to do it. I'm now also-- It's unsociable hours. It's maybe if at nightclub, two, three hours at a time, this guy's getting 100 pounds a night. You know people who play club promote. Yes. Where it's like for nothing, but they get in. First of all, I don't want to exploit these people, because I think these people are already not in a very good job. Yeah. Maybe it's-- I'm sure this one down a lot. I agree with the fun event. Maybe it's not a guy on the ground. We talked about banks' disreputing of currency. Yes. You know, when you go to the bank, and they've got the pen on the chain. Yes. You just-- OK, take the pen, and then they put a pen there for the next customer. That kind of thing, where-- maybe anywhere where I care with the pencils and pens. You mentioned something there on the chain. Yeah. Maybe we just have things built in. OK. So instead of distributing the light as you just put a thing on the wall-- Have a little-- We have a light cert. Like a smoking area. We'll keep with the smoking area aesthetic. So let's just have a thing outside, like a little clicker, like a sort of like a hob on another, but like a little-- a spout maybe in a smoking area. While not only like, you know, you click it, and it lights for like two seconds, so you can't abuse it or cause any trouble. Or like the electric lighters where they just see-- But there's no flame. Yeah, like it-- And it pressed the thing. Like in a car, like a car cigarette lighter, again from a bag on era, but yeah, maybe we install those. And then we cycle that out to other stuff. So you mentioned pens. Another one of-- Pen, by the way. You use pen as one of the examples of the things, but then you also give the perfect counter a pen on a chain. Yeah, but that's limited. I think-- I don't know. I just think we could just get these things out there. Because no one thinks twice of like passing them. Yeah, but-- So if there's-- you don't need a pen and circulation for everyone. I mean, you don't, but a lot of people have phones. So we're talking about things that you need on the go. Here's one, umbrella. That's a big one. I wouldn't mind umbrellas. By going to buy the umbrellas, we're just going to leave them. An umbrella stand. Yeah, I think-- My outside-- You could like have, I don't know, Starbucks, and then also-- Yeah, just have them. But then also people leave them.
I want something that's got slightly less friction than you know the bikes. - Yes, that's where I was going with this. 'Cause it's like model, but I think it's too, like if you rent one of them, you have to fucking download the app and give them like a deposit so you don't steal it and all that shit. - Well, I'm sorry Andy, but I do have a freakishly mundane solution to this. - Okay. - And it is, you have some sort of app where you, you go to an umbrella stand, you tap your phone with the app and you take the umbrella out of a fixture and then you put the umbrella back afterwards, tap your phone again to recognize you put it back and then you get back the deposit of 10, 20 pounds. - And the thing is, that means you have to go, you have to end up in a dry destination that has one of these deposit centers. - Yeah, which is ideal. - Where is it if you just have, where are they eat the cost of the umbrellas? - I'm saying it, pens, lighters, umbrellas are a good one. - Charging cables. - Charging cables are a huge one. I always have one on me. I always, in the office now I'm known for two things, it's eating sausages and having wires on me at all times. Of any kind, USB, USB, USB, mini, lightening port, everything, I've always got one of every cable on me. - Yeah. - And that's because people bond in my bag, because people borrow them. - And again, if someone asks you for a charging cable, they raise an amount of time where it's too long to ask for a buck. - Because the charging cables have got more expensive, they've kind of, I think they're on the board line of too cheap. - Yeah, I think I can definitely still pull that one back. I think the end of the day asking for a charging cable is better than a pen. There's still some new ones to it, but overall, that's not as bad. - Yeah, I think it might get there. - It could well get there. - But yeah, I was just a mint of useful low-value objects as just put them into circulation. There's obviously things to work out, how we put them in circulation stuff, but also if they're there, it lowers the stakes even further. - You know what? This is gonna be unprecedented. This is gonna be very big, and I hope you can join me on this. But I think we need to make this a to be continued. - Oh, because I need to think about the items that need to fit into this bill. - Oh, we didn't do not a two-parter, 'cause I did such a bad idea that you needed to come back over the top of me. - No, this is-- - All we do in a two-parter, 'cause you wanna refine it. - This is gonna be one in refinery. This isn't gonna be me getting you back for the kettle thing. I want to make this work, because I do really believe in this. So I need to think about the items, I need to think about the cost, I need to rebuttal that will be likely also controversial, but one that needs to be found. - So common ground we agree on. We agree on the low stakes mint. Is that what we're gonna call it? - I say, and this is the-- - But we need to talk about implementation and distribution. - I say for the first time in a common ground, this is one that is such a good idea, but I don't want us to fall into the mundane trap of using an app. - Okay. - That we need to put a pin in this. - Okay. - This needs to be decided, and I'm going to push back, and I'll push back hard. - Okay. - I can tell you that. I have some ideas floating around that are going to be controversial. - So balls in your core, it's for me to push back hard, and for us to find that common ground. - Okay. So the common ground at the minute is it's worth looking out. - It's worth looking out. - Okay. - And next week we will look at it again. - Okay. - And you promise them next week. - Next week. - Okay. - No gap in between next week will be the follow up to this. - And if anyone else would like to jump in on this, I think if anyone gets in touch with us about this specifically before we record, this episode will release on Friday. We'll record probably on Tuesday or Wednesday. - Yeah. - So small gap, but if you've got emails for the low stake min common ground, they won't be in the mail segment. We'll address them in a, in the common ground. - Yeah. - The common ground is where you will get your answers. So if you've got one, fire it over. - Yeah, let's workshop this idea as a group. - Yes, let's do this collective, this is it. This is the big common ground. Let's make this a common ground. The email address if you're firing over is info at warwithamade.co.de.uk, website warwithamade.co.de.uk, Instagram warwithamade. If you have a way to help fix this, this is your appeal. This is like the Simpson's episode where they decide who shot Mr. Burns. This is a cultural landmark. - This is Bowie McBootface. - This is the moment for you to have your voice heard. Send something in, let us know. Your time is limited. Our time is infinite. (laughing) - Fuck the way it's you. (laughing) - But regardless of how finite or infinite time is, we'll be talking to you next time, because I've been James. - I've been on these days, subtle humble and brave in the deserts of your mind. - Thanks for listening. - Good night. (upbeat music) (upbeat music)
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