Episode 68: Get Lost!

David. Miles. It's another episode of the two guys that don't know everything. We don't know everything. Thank you for tuning in. Miles, I love that shirt. Well, thank you. Well, turtle action. Turtles, it's short sleeve, it's collared, it's very professional and yet fun. It's just like you. It tells us to slow down. The turtles tell you to slow down. Yeah. Well, it's like once again, Miles is coming from a remote location that I am at home in the frigid north. Where are you, Miles? Can you use this close? Yeah, Peoria, Arizona. Peoria. Peoria. What's that near? I don't know that much of Arizona. Peoria is kind of outside of Scottsdale and Phoenix. Oh, nice. It's like a little bit north. Beautiful. Like northwest, I think, of the city. Good weather. Beautiful weather. 75 and clear. No. It is 75. It was the high today in the low, low B 58. Oh, lucky you. I think sometime in the next 10 days, the high will be 45 here. Just for one day and then back to sub freezing when there. Yeah, there's a lot of snowbirds here visiting from all over the cold areas of the country. When I tell them I'm from Florida, they're like, what are you doing here? What are you doing here? You already have to know that. Yeah. And the answer is never been here. Yeah, it's beautiful scenery. It's beautiful mountains, desert, cactus. Those pictures you showed me. Beautiful. Yeah. I think it's a time to come. If you go come in the spring, it's a little more crowded. So winter in Arizona. Yeah. Before the cactus league starts up. It's a good time to be in Arizona. When is that start? March 1st? It's coming up. Yeah, because baseball starts in April. So let's see this month, next month. That's great. Good for you. I recommend visiting this time here. All right, maybe next year. You got a couple weeks? Yeah, I have vacation time. I have some more of less other things happening. A lot of good hiking out here. I like to hike. I like warmer weather. Arizona sounds like it's ready. Yeah, but in the summer. It's brutal. Very hot. You get 120 degrees. That's too hot. It's so different. There's only this little area of temperature I enjoy. Like 55 to 85. You're not alone. You're not alone. Have you been to San Diego? I have been to San Diego. They get really finicky about their weather there. They want to be within like two or three degrees. They get a little like. Yeah. Like 76 to 78. Yeah, they're like, no, it's a little hot today. I was in San Diego in 2003 on a cross country road trip. And at that point, the trip, I was like, I think I'm done. I don't want to drive back to Boston. I don't want to drive anymore. Let's just look for ways to live. I'm done. San Diego is awesome. It's amazing. Gaslight district right there on the ocean. Beautiful. The next day, we went to the zoo. And then we went home. We drove all the way back home. Zove. I drove from Boston to Seattle to San Diego. Oh. And then you traded in your car for that. No, that car was brand new. Well, pretty new. Wow. That's a long drive. I had that car for seven more years after that trip. Lots of-- you still driving it now. This was every now. I wish. That was a fun car. I just saw a picture of it. I was looking for some old pictures for this little post up with the other of my dad. And the old Jedah. The old-- Oh, Jedah. Life changing, Volkswagen, Jedah. Nice. I-- That was before it back before GPS. Oh, I had the Rand McNally, Big Ass, Book of Maps, the whole country. Every single state, every state highway, many of the county highways navigate across the country with that one big book. These young ones today don't know how good they have it. They don't know. Plus, you lose it. You used that book enough. The pages are to come out right from the staples. And then you lose the whole state. You're like, well, I guess we're not going there. There's no map. And then you used to have the ones that you had to fold in a certain way. There was an art of folding those maps. Yes. You had to go like K35 to find-- was like playing a-- who sent my battleship to find your-- your little spider map. Where are we? Those are-- Oh, OK. That's OK. That's where we are. I feel like I still have that book somewhere from like 20 years ago from that road trip. This giant book of these art country with the lion that we drove around. Amazing trip. And now, you go to a place. You don't even need a map. Like we flew into Phoenix, popped in the thing into the phone, and drove to the hotel. Do you know the first thing you had to have a map and look around and then you get off of the wrong exit and can-- It lost. 2014, we went to Asheville, North Carolina, but we flew into Charlotte. And we put the phone with the GPS. And we're like, OK, just do it for like a minute. Now, where we're going to turn it off, we can't use our data. Don't use any data. Like we'll only use it for like five minutes. Oh my god. We'll drive for an hour. And we'll put the thing back on. We don't want to use all of our data on the GPS. I'm like, I can't even imagine that now. You would never do that. It's so crazy. In just a short amount of time. 10 years, 12 years. Well, the old GPS units had to direct link to the satellite. They didn't-- But the Tom Tom. You know, they still get them. Yeah. They're not relying on the cell network. Why would you do that, though? Why would you do that? Because you're hiking somewhere without a self-tauer. Oh, it is if you're hiking. I guess you could use a Tom Tom hiking. I don't-- If you're worried about getting lost on the dashboard. Even if the cell phone signals go out, you'll be able to get around. Yeah. Yes, I would. I would want to be in that business. I feel like it's a dying business. Oh, you want to get-- I wasn't asking if you wanted to get in the business. I just-- Tom Tom, but I just feel like it's being replaced. Everything's being replaced by the phone and the app. Wow. This reminds me of another podcast I listened to. Oh, no. The Pobletory podcast. Pobletory finds out. And he found out about the owner of the Memphis basketball team. The Grizzlies? Yeah. It is-- Young's ubiquity. Have you heard of ubiquity? No, what's that? ubiquity are these basically mobile Wi-Fi receiver transponder type things that people use eternally and externally to send signals. And Poblet-- this is investigation. And they are big, big supplier to the Russians. Oh, really? And they use them to fly their drones around. But we're not supposed to be selling things to the Russians right now. And so it was a very interesting-- so the drones can get lost, basically, is what I'm saying. They don't have the right way to communicate. That's just one of your-- To guide them, they need these technology. The Russian drones. Russian drones, yes. Or Ukrainian drones. Yeah, that's-- of course. They need satellites to know where things are. GPS locations. We don't want to-- I can't really. You know, it doesn't take the imagination to figure out what they do with these drones. They kill people. They kill people. Yes. Yes. Wow. That's what he was like. Very good podcast. He has-- He has no point. He finds out. Very good. And he's the owner of the company? They took the story-- no, he's not the owner. I don't remember the name of the owner, young guy. He's just a podcast. He's a podcast. Reporters. He's a podcast. Reporters is a sports news commentator, a podcaster. And he did one of his segments on the owner of the Memphis team who owns this company that-- his company, somehow his products end up in Russia. Nobody knows how they get there, but somehow they get there. Shipping. I think they get shipping. Yeah, shipping. Yeah. They get there by drone. Yeah. Oh, my God. So I have not been following the news lately, so it's been kind of nice. That's good. I mean, I know that things are still going on. But I don't know. I've been working writing a lot. Celebrating the anniversary of my dad passing away. Yeah, some things going on Well, you found out the boat that he Came on over on right? That is also true on Sunday during I guess what you would call a Super Bowl. Although it was really one sided I did some more research. Good thing your bills fan. Yeah Good time to jump ship from the Patriots Maybe they're not the game was next weekend I went back on that website Arleson and I found more files and documents and one of them was A manifest that had my dad's name and his sister and brother's name and my parents name They're on very specific ship and I googled that ship and I found it that ship has its own Wikipedia page And I found the boat that my dad came to America on that is Congratulations Amazing it was on Sunday Which would have been my dad's mom's 106th birthday Wow Yeah He passed away 13 years ago with 93 This is right right this book's been like a journey I feel like it's almost too late to start because To start telling the story of writing it because I'm so deep into it like the discovery has already happened I wish I had been like doing a like a sub Story about the researching of the story because I keep finding more things that are really interesting That's what this podcast is all about David There are parts of the book parts of the research that are part of this podcast park It's a journey the journey. It's been great So you asked me While I was hiking here in Arizona You're like what are we gonna do our podcast about I'm literally climbing up a In my mind growing up from Miami a mountain. Yeah, and some people would call it hell like a cold amount Rocky hour long hike As I can't why don't we talk about what it's like to get lost oh It's good talking about that feeling is like when you when you you're heading some way and all of a sudden you just like where how do we? Or but I think it can happen in on a lot of different things but Some area I wasn't thinking about was you can get lost in a subject Uh-huh you can get lost in the library looking at different things and time can just go by a bookstore You can get lost in a story. I mean there's so many ways to get lost What's your favorite way to get lost? You know, I'm thinking back to the first time I read the Hobbit Yeah, and it's you're like you feel like you're going on an adventure With billbo baggans getting lost with the other Characters in that book what's it if I was gonna pick a favorite way to get lost that That would be it you'd be one of the characters Yeah, you know picture yourself there In a battle with goblins and Trolls and whatnot Yeah, amazing I imagine you'd be one of the humans because you're quite tall for Hobbit My feet aren't big enough That would be a good adventure could be the bear man Oh, yeah, what's his name? I forgot his name He too Was he the movie he was the movie was he was in the Hobbit movie yeah Yeah, the Hobbit movie That's good. I you know, I don't know if I've ever read the Hobbit No, I read the Hobbit. I haven't read Lord of the Rings But the after reading the Hobbit and then watching the movie it's like oh every it's like it's all right there No one know why they had to make three of them because the book is so dense I couldn't believe they made three movies for the Hobbit It's so much happens There's a lot of there's a lot of small stories that become bigger in the movie Yeah, yeah You know it was magic always good. I'm listen. I'm a fan, but I think they could Kind of weigh with two they could have been they could have done two But they did three for for the Lord of the Rings definitely needed three for that they knew how to do three So it's funny because I was talking to some writers. I was talking to our friend Steve from Lions Club about writing and adaptations and I only learned this in the last couple of years like a good movie adapted from writing Is generally from like a short story at most of novella But like a short story has enough content in it in like 20 30 pages to turn to a screenplay Way easier than taking a full length to 300 pages book and turning that into a movie it's two hours Because it's just You don't need that much to make a two hour movie I think there's some truth that I don't know do you have favorite movies that you have watched that were based on books adaptations? Favorite movies that have watched based on books adaptations of Threaten well, I mean the shining Yeah, that's a good example Yeah, but you even Stephen came wasn't happy with Stanley Cooper because he did he Went away from the story yeah The green mile another Another Steve the king yeah Did you think that one they did a really good job of sticking sticking with it? I didn't see the movie The movie is amazing and the book is amazing Did you watch or read 1122 1963? I watched A few of the episodes, but I listened to the whole book when it first came out So one of the questions Steve had was in the book the Stephen King book It's a little bit about time travel and Basically, it's like a restaurant that has a door in the back in the base of the time machine Well, no, it's not a time machine. It's it walked down the stairs Yes, you walked down the stairs you end up in 1957 Yes, then you then you turn around and you come back through your back and your time that you left Like a minute later you may have aged while you were down there Oh there But if you come back through you'll come back to the year that you left right after you left um So the first part of the of the book He talks about his the main characters sister and getting beaten all that stuff is gone from there from the Many series like the first 70 pages of the book are not even in the miniseries And he asked like why would they cut that out? It seemed like an important part and my answer was Even with a miniseries like a six eight ten episodes The focus of that miniseries was just the 112263 assassination And So that's an issue of who of Kennedy and if they hadn't if they tried to do everything in the book it would have been What it could have been 20 episodes So they were like changing it from the from the book to the screenplay as like Cut everything except for the very most important parts It's it's it's hard to imagine that I don't know how many episodes were in that and I think it is now on Netflix. I think you're right But if you it took all the time Of all those episodes to watch them you could read the whole book Probably yeah, yeah, you could it's like eight hours you know or yeah But yet you still or can't capture everything No, this is it being just the it's a good book. I like that book. It's it's very good book It's just like it's even uh, you know There's uh the movie broke back mowing from 20 years ago or so That was based on a short story like a really short story like 28 pages became this two-hour movie um And one of the one of the academy award-dominated movies I just watched it Last week was also based on a short story. What's movie? Um Takes place in the Idaho, but I'm off to look it up uh, it takes place like 1900 to 1960 In boners very Idaho. No, not heard of it It's called train dreams Train dreams Which is based on A oh it's based on actually funny. It's based on a book written by Dennis Johnson who we talked about a few episodes ago Because when I wrote when I won that writing contest Back in January It gave me a Dennis Johnson book of poetry Or shorts Dennis Johnson short stories Um turns out he passed away a few years ago, but They had sold the story train dreams into The movie rights and they made the movie this year and it's nominated for best picture But it's a it's a short it's a short novella That turned into this um, I think we're getting lost in the movies and the books about the movies and the books. No, not at all uh But it's it's To me like that's part of like the getting lost in the in the history and the knowledge of how things how you learn things and how things are written and comparing them. There's an author Shirley Jackson. I don't know if you know Shirley Jackson. Who's that? I think she wrote the lottery. How's that story of lottery? That's right. Yeah, there's the lottery. But she also wrote another story. It's a famous horror story. Do you remember where it is? I do not. But you're going to tell me because you're looking at it. I can't remember the name of it. It's haunting of Hill House. That's it. The haunting of Hill House. So that is not that long of a book. But they did a mini series on it to speak to your point. Really? What they did in the mini series they expanded upon the background of it. So they didn't really stick to her story. They added it to make the mini series. So there's an example of a haunting of Hill House where they used the story but they expanded the characters and what happened before and what happened after. And they did dramatically change the take on. Gothic fiction, psychological horror. Very, very creepy book. Nice. I mean, the way it's told you're not sure when the mental capacity starts. You have a kind of a story teller that's not being honest with you. So you don't really know what's happening and that's the scary part of it. It's really scary. It really is a mentally scary story. I will add a story. I'll add to my Chubi Redbile. But the character is lost. She's lost in her own mind. And you're not sure if she's lost and she gets lost in the story too. She loses her way inside of the grounds of the Hill House. And it's really messed. It creates the tension of being lost. The reader and as you follow the characters are the character in the story. So the perfect example of both things being lost like in the wilderness, your lost, lost your way. And you're lost in the story itself. Kind of both things in one example. And that's what makes it so haunting because there is that feeling that is captured really well by that famous movie, the Blair Witch Project. Yeah. Or they're lost in the woods. And the genius of that movie is they create that feeling of being lost. Have you ever been lost in the woods? We keep doubling back on the same thing. You're like, you're thinking of making a progress and you're. Yeah, like you're like, you're lost. You don't know where you are. You're not really sure what direction you're supposed to go in. Just for a little bit. Just for those five minutes, but I can feel forever. Yeah, it's even like a long time. Where were you when that happened? I don't even remember where it was. But I had that feeling. It's a. I feel like I'm not confident in you. I don't think like it's hard. I think it's one of those things perhaps where the brain is like, this is a really bad thing you've done. Don't do it again, but I'm going to forget the details of it. Well, recently something along those lines happened to me. Oh, cool. Where I was kind of lost. It could remember something. Okay. But I found the reason why that happened. So I was getting a new cell phone. Oh. And there's a lot of if you haven't gotten a new cell phone, they really grill you with all your different IDs and everything like that to prove that, you know, first your Apple login and. Yeah. bugging to the phone and, you know, all these things that you have to provide. Yeah, of course. And then you're under some stress because you're making a commitment on a new device. And in this case, I was switching carriers. So it was even more stressful. Can you say where you went from to? Yeah, I was with ATT and I switched to Xfinity or Comcasts. Oh, okay. Which uses Verizon's network. So, this is the craziest thing and it really I felt lost. She's like, now put the code in that you unlock your phone with. Okay. This is after an hour being in the store and after. And she goes, yeah, it's either a four or six digit code and I put them like it did work. Yeah. Like it did work and you have only so many tries. Yeah. And I just started panicking. And I can't. How did I not remember this thing? Right. I tried all the permutations and the more you try the longer it waits between things. And I'm like, now I'm losing my mind. I counter why not remember something I put in. 20 times a day. Yes. And what it came down to was I got stuck on the four digits. Mine was five digits. So I had to write the first time. Because she said four digits, I stopped it for. Yeah. Miles, let me tell you something. When I got my new phone, I had to go to Syracuse to the Apple store to get it. It's in 2021. Right before I went to Spain because I needed a new phone that would have a chip so I could use the same exacting happened to me. I sat that store for an hour. They sold me up, sold me on everything. They were like, all right, put your code in. I don't know what it is. I just do this with my thumb. It opens and I try it again and again. You tell me what it is. We don't know what it is. It's a helpless feeling. So helpless. I think I was lost in technology. I think that's classifieds. So then they figured it out. And I get turned on. They're like, all right, your phone's off now. You have to go to AT&T and have it cut over from your old device. Go to the AT&T store downstairs. So then I go downstairs and they're like, we can't do anything. You have to go back to Apple Store. I went back and forth and neither of them wanted to take credit for it. They're like, well tomorrow we'll set it up. So then I had no phone for 24 hours. Oh, wow. How do you even drive back without a phone? Typhoon feeling lost. Oh, wow. No calls, no text. Total nightmare. I think we can get lost. I think we can get lost without the technology. It's so crazy how helpless we are. I think it's easier today to feel. It's so it's like a conundrum. We have so much technology to help find our way that we could easily feel lost. More now than ever. Because I think we've lost that sense of finding our way. Yes. I mean, that's why I think I like hiking and geocaching. It's because I generally feel like I have a pretty good sense of direction, even driving around. Like, the only time I use GPS for driving is to know if there's an accident, I can reroute to a different way. But sometimes I can't. I just have to go through the accident. I would like to not use it, but you know, you just get hung up on technology. If I'm driving somewhere and I want to let someone know I'm going there, I'll put the road in and then share my drives. It's just insane. So much data. So many data centers being burned up all that water just so I can drive. Oh my god, stop it. I just, it's like we're helpless without our technology. It's the helpless feeling when you're so reliant on it. Yeah. And it's just, it's good to shut it down sometimes and not, not have it. Did you unplug it all while you were in Arizona? No. No. You think about unplugging it on? I tell you what, when you're walking up these trails are walking down these trails. You definitely don't want to be looking at your cell phone because you will miss step. Some of these trails are steep and dangerous. Yes, you will. You will see rocks are a little bit shaky. There's a couple hikes we went on that were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were the, they were the, you know, the challenging. So you have to really pay attention. So I think that might be a factor getting lost. Like we get lost when we're not paying attention. If we were just focused on the mission, we wouldn't get lost. I think that, I think that there are so many ways to be distracted today. Yeah. That could be, yeah, if you're paying attention to the trail going back to Stephen King, the girl who loves you. Tom Gordon. Uh, the girl of the world. You know what that's about. Tom Gordon is a baseball player with the Boston Red Sox. He was a closer for like one season. And she was young gal is upset about her mom and dad. Yeah. She lags behind and gets lost in the woods for like a week. And it's a fascinating, amazing story. Yeah. And she only thing that works is her transistor radio. Yeah, that's right. And then it keeps her company and she listens to the red socks games while she's in the woods trying to find her way. But this bear or there's a bear that follows her. Really? Yeah. Because he wants to listen to the baseball. No. He wants to eat her. Well, it's the you say my porridge was too hot. My porridge was different. The anti-goly locks. But that's another great story about getting lost in technology. Technology kind of sooser and helps her keeps her mentally focused. Goly locks. Yeah. The girl. I don't want to ruin the I don't want to ruin the end of it. But I write that that isn't it got to really get a story. Great. See if you can do something good stories. But that one is specifically fits our perfectly. She gets lost. She wasn't paying attention. She's being a little brat and she took yeah, she took the path veered off and her mom and brother went one way and she went the other way. And I won't say anything else about it. You know, I did get lost on my cross country trip in Washington state. It's like severely lost. I went to Mount St. Helens. Do you know what that is? Yes. So in Mount St. Helens there was a huge volcanic eruption in 1981. I was there in 2003. And we drove around we couldn't we didn't go to the top. We drove like around the base. And it was like high-quant of the lava tubes to see like this the lava went through this tube. And like cool. So it's a mile long hike through this tube. And you go down these stairs and you're underground. And here's walking. And first the tube is huge like, you know, two stories tall. Then it's like a story and a half. Then it's a story. And then maybe it's like six feet high, seven feet high. I guess narrower and narrower and narrower. And we walked in the dark for, I don't know, 25 minutes. No cell phone service. Flashlights. No flashlights. No, you can't say anything. And we're getting to where we think is, must be of the mile. Okay, a tube. When I say a tube, what do you think is going on at the each end of this tube? What do I think is going on? Yeah, like if you are going in and out. Yeah. So that's what we got to the end of the tube. It was not a tube. It was a cave. It was a mile long walk. At the end of it, it comes down to like two feet high and then crawl and then nothing. It was like a mile long cave underground that ended. Oh, you, oh, so you didn't go out the other end. You had to go back. It had to turn around and then walk another 25 minutes in the complete darkness to the exit. Oh, you thought you're heading to like a tunnel. You thought it was a tunnel. And it was like very dark and scary, but every time every step you're taking on the way, you're getting closer to the exit. But in fact, we were getting further from the exit and closer to that end. And it was, it was a nobody explained that to you. It just said two, one mile. Like great, we'll go down, we'll go a mile, we'll come back up to the car. So you're glad you go two miles. We had two miles. And imagine if there were two miles. So by like five minutes back, it was like a mental breakdown time. And we sang as many camp songs as we could think of for the next 25 minutes to keep our spirits going. It's like you were you're having like a birth experience there. Well, yeah, because finally you see the light. Like that's the exit. That's the birth out of this ground or this hole. Wow. Very frightening. Wow. And we got out. We took pictures. Nothing there made it seem like it was a one way dead end one way back. Nothing at all. So crazy. What did you meet somebody one day? And they're like, yeah, there was a way. You just didn't turn. You missed the turn. Yeah, you had to get on your hands. He's in crawl. He just missed the turn. You weren't paying attention. You know, one's in a while in the last 20 years. I've had dreams of being like, what's that fear when you're in a small space? Foster boobick. Yeah, like being closed in. Ooh. It's a terrible feeling. Oh, terrible. Oh my god. Oh, man. I think it started from that cave. Well, I think we all had that experience being born. So we all, I think it ties us back to that birth process. Yes. I don't remember it, but I know it was cool. Yeah. There's some party that remembers that. Oh, awesome. That's what we all share. I'm trying to think of my other times I got lost physically in the woods. I've been in a lot of woods around here. I've been off trails where I thought I was going the right way and it wasn't. And that's that can be a little scary. Not knowing where when how far I'm supposed to stay still, but I kept going. Well, you're exploring too. So I remember many times when I first moved to Ithaca. Yeah. Because there's all sorts of fun little you know, walkways and things. And you're on a walkway and you're like, oh, what's this little trail go to? I don't remember a couple times taking a trail ended up you know, starting at East Hill, ending up at a tennis court. So yeah. You know, following a river stream. There's like this clay tennis court in the middle of nowhere on the cornl campus. Like, how did I end up here and where am I? I had to get back. I'm like, oh, I'm like, how did I end up at the cornl campus? I was at East Hill on a trail. And I'm like, now that this clay tennis court like wow. It's a little thing like that. It's kind of a surprise. When you you don't discover those things, he take a little risk and you go off go off. It reminds me of our friend Elizabeth, who was our first guest on the show last summer. No, I think Robbie was the first. Robbie was first. She was our second guest. And she's like kids don't go. They don't get lost anymore. Kids don't get they don't they don't break their arms. They don't fall off of things. Everything is designed by lawyers. And kids don't go and get lost. They like very protected in their bubble with their screens and their GPS. They're tags. I think there's some that still get lost. I don't think it happens as frequently. I think it's I mean, I don't know if any of the Tasha or friends who like just go out and like we're just going to go and explore. We'll be back. Like I used to do that all the time with my friends growing up, just like go out in the woods. As far as you can go and eventually turn around and head home. And you probably won't come home the same way because you will have found a different way. Right. I don't I don't think that happens. Well, we did Heidi and I did that tonight. We took it. We were like we want to climb that little butre mountain there. Yeah. And just found a little trail that led to another trail that finally got to the thing. Do you think your kids were encouraged to go off and explore the woods on their own and find their way? They lived in a place they could do that. I you know. Did they do it? I think they did. They never called you and said, Hey, I don't know where I am. They did. I mean, that'd be a good phone call. I know where you are. I can see all my phone. I remember them like show me some places they explored. Yeah. We used to find a place with ticks. They get ticks when they got in the woods. Yeah. That's also very bad. Yeah. Fixed in my disease. When I grew up, there was just the main road in the town. I grew up had a creek that went under it. And we found there was like a fishing hole, but we found as you could go down to the fishing hole and then go all the way down and like go underneath the highway, underneath the road on this little waterway tunnel. It was like a culvert and just hang out there. Yeah. And no one would know you were there. Yeah. I got this little place. You rock candles down there. It's like a little cave. It's amazing. You like those caves. I'm totally into it. That was a very old. That was only like 30 feet long. So those drainage areas, those are good little spots. We have my cousin had a little John boat with like a seven and a half horsepower motor on it. Yeah. And we would take this through. There's a lot of these canals and South Florida. And there were some tunnels underneath the roadways that had a water and we could ride the [BLANK_AUDIO] John Boat into those tunnels and go underneath the road on the boat. Yeah. And there were spider webs and it was wild, man. You had to duck down the boat barely fit underneath there. Oh, that's great. And then you're like, after you get through, you're like, "I can barely breathe." There was enough wind air going through there, but if you stood, if you were there long enough, you could breathe in the exhaust from the engine. That's it. The things you did, I mean, it was fun, like, exploring things. We took that little boat over the highway. We took the engine off, dragged it over the road, put it back in another canal, made our way all the way to out to the bay. You know that we brought extra gas with us. It sounds like an adventure. That's good. We should do more that. You have to stop when you're turning to one of your 30. No. I once conued to Wegmans, in Africa. From where? From Cast Park, but when I conued in the water, we paddled by the farmer's market and then by Boeyard Grill, and kept going to what was like the jungle. And then we just followed the creek that turns into this little pathway. It goes under a railroad bridge. Yeah. I'm not sure what the road that goes the cherry street. Then you tied up your canoe and went into Wegmans and got some beer. We actually, we took the creek road up Cascadilla to where we're a route 13 crosses over the creek. And I fished out a rusty bike. Like a bicycle, 10 speed bike. I put it on the back of the canoe. Then we paddled on a couple of these bridges like that. Didn't you just figure out a way to ride the bike so it paddled? Wait. So very low bridges. We had to bend down under the bridges, get to Wegmans. Because if you're at Wegmans, the far side of it, there's a little creek there. Yeah. But there was enough water we canoeed down it. We got out. I pulled the bike out and I rode that rusty bike around the Wegmans parking lot. We didn't get some food and then canoeed back. You just left the bike there? I don't know where we are. I think we kept the bike in front of the car. Still heavy. You drove the bike to San Diego. That's how I got to San Diego. You got to San Diego. I rode that bike to the bike out. We're talking about getting lost, but there are some things that should get lost. Like your stuff, like your bike. You don't need that bike. You know, it's throwing it in the creek. That rusty chain bike just tossed in the creek. I can't believe it still works. I'm like peddling around, peddling and peddling. Peddling around the far end of the Wegmans parking lot. At the top. Yeah. At the top. There are some nice little hikes in around. There's some good hit places. Yeah. There's some nice little many places that people just overlook. And there's some overlooks. It's like the old railroad tracks that they've turned into trails. Yeah. And in Caroline where I live, because a bunch of them into the railroad tracks into hiking drills. New places that you're lost. One thing don't get lost during hunting season. Wow. That's your way of orange. Somebody once told me that there is a tunnel system under Cornell. That's part of the Synchletron or whatever that's called. The Adam's Masha. That's what I'm underneath it. And there's tunnels underneath that you can get around. The old steam tunnels. If you know how to find them, you can walk underneath Cornell and come out different places. Yeah, all over the campus. I've never been down there. I don't know. But that would be an interesting tour. I had a long history of knowing what that from. Was that groups in the 1990s? It was one of the first topics I read about online when I was in college. It was like there are campuses. And I was embossed. But there were like, there's campuses like Cornell campus in Africa, out of all these steam tunnels. And like if you know where to go in, you can go under every single building and come out in that basement of every building. But you have to know, like, you have to know something. Yeah. You don't want to be locked down there. That would be scary. That could be like a little short story. Yeah. I mean, there are a couple of like who'd done it with the little tunnels. You can have a movie set. It would be interesting. You could go in one tunnel. Yeah. That's a crime. And then you use another tunnel to exit. Interesting. It could be the little one. It's just setting. Good setting. There's all sorts of mysteries there. Yeah. I don't have any tunnels in my book. Maybe I should add some tunnels. Yeah. Well, I hope that our listeners got a little lost in their imagination here. And maybe thought of sometimes when they were lost and they found their way. Yeah. How did you find your way out? Tell us. Email text. Give a message. It's on your way to the show to this episode. And we, unlike Dave's experience with the tube, this is the end. You don't have to go back. Oh, you don't have to. You don't have to. You listen to the whole thing. If you get you get in right here, this light is here shining on you. You have made it to the end of the tunnel or the tube. You're in a lawyer's loss. It's not a tube. It's a crime. It's a crime. It's a crime. It's a crime. It's a crime. And if anybody's interested in taking that canoe trip, just reach out to David. We can reenact that. We'll get that canoe. That's enough. Go fishing for some bicycles. Yeah. David, until next time. Don't get lost. Yeah. No. Bye. Bye.