Episode 674: Florida Files - Tales from Florida's Female Prisons

There's no place to escape to, this is the last talk on the left. That's one of the cannon bullets I'm started. I literally went home and that inspired me and I got a room at the Jersey Shore for one night. So my head is getting too soft like it just starts with "Shore House" and then it ends with "But I got a lot of money 'cause I just got paid." I hate that shit, it doesn't hurt me! These two songs are fucking mashed together and my fucking brain doesn't know what to do with that. It's a mashup. What is that? That's a mashup. That's kind of a. That's kind of again. I got them back into this. I pulled them back down into the shit. How many's a few? Three. We can't start with this. Couple. Few. Several. Many. Two, three, four, five. We can't do this. Some? Some is like six to nine. Okay. I thought a handful is what happens when you. I'm not going to do this Eddie. I can't even. I don't know how to joke today. Okay. This is a very serious topic. I do think it's interesting. Yeah. A handful is definitively five. Into this five fingers, yeah, that's what I also said. Several is seven. Yeah. Unless you're talking about a child, that means that child is awful. Yeah. He's a handful. He's a handful. He's a handful. That means I'm going to have a bad weekend because I'm hanging out with a five-year-old. Who's a handful? Welcome to last podcast. Wow! Ladies and gentlemen. Disgusting. Oh. I never want to say a boy is a handful. Oh, that boy is a handful. I'm too handful. Henry's a brass. Yeah. That's right. A tantalizing amount of tits that if you grabbed me in the dark, you'd think I'm the sexiest lady in prison. And I'm. Pull 'em on the chest, Marcus Parks. There's nothing to grab onto here. And we've got. I mean, I would say maybe a length at Larson. Yeah. I'm a solid B. Yeah. I'm a low B. You don't have tits. I don't. I've got a big chest. You have a wide chest. You have a manly chest. I feel like we have the same size chest. Yes. Except my tits are small. I just got my mother's breasts. Yeah. I'm shaped like an Italian sex pot. Yeah. That was the joke that I have for you and my roast. Is that, you know, everyone says that Ed Larson's fat, but I think he's more barrel-chested, but unfortunately that barrel is filled with disgusting fat. Yeah. That's when I knew you were a good joke, right? Thank you. Thank you very much. And today we actually have Ed Larson at the helm. I've just did the Gary Ridgeway series. We did a three-parter. I'm handing the reins over to Eddie Larson today. Oh, boy. You know, it's not sick, but a bunch of yucks today. When I call you Eddie Larson, it really makes you sound like a criminal. He is. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Ramblin' Eddie Larson. Well, you know, there might be a couple of confessions today. All right. So let's get into some, gah, god damn it. What are you going to do? I don't even want to. It's hard. Yeah. It's hard. Yeah. It's hard. Women in chains, you know, behind bars. You know, yeah, exactly. It's like, oh, that's fun. It's silly. And then it turns out when you really look into it, it's super sad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just got that once it reformed school girls. Maybe with Wendy O'Williams because Wendy is named after our dog. We named her after Wendy O'Williams. And so I started watching that. And I was just like, I don't know if that movie really has a lot to do with what we're going to talk about today because that involved a lot of wet women beating each other. There was a lot of spanking and a lot of like gripping and then there was like a big man because then get together girls and then they'd go like, you got it, Mr. Warden. You know, if you really examine it, it's really not that far off. It's just not fun. You just get your coffee. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder, are there any particularly fun prison movies? I mean, back in the day, the jailhouse rock. But that's a jail movie that's not prison. And I think it's just a music video. Oh, is it? I think it is. Oh, well. I don't think that might be a full movie. I don't know. I refuse to watch Elvis on film. What a weird stance to have. It sucks. You're missing out on clam bakes. I love a clam bake, but I do it myself, and that's because I'm from Florida speaking of a clam bake. That's what happens when the ladies are in prison down in Florida. They don't have air conditioning. Great segue. Thank you. Thank you. All right. So basically, when I was trying to come up with my next episode for last podcast, and I left the Uncle years, I didn't, I didn't want to jump into another animal episode just yet. But if you remember back to the horrors of sea world episodes, I did, I stated that one of the most terrifying things to me is being ripped apart by animals. Yeah. And like for me, it's not being seen. Yeah. I know. I know. Or someone talking over it. Yeah. Or a single fucking thought just staying in your head, I don't have any other job. People do love you for it. It's the only thing I do. But the truth of the matter is, if you're going to die before your time, getting ripped apart by gators or stomped a death by an elephant is a pretty righteous way to say goodbye to Earth. It may not be as rad as your wings suit, not opening during a base jump or being consumed by lava while banging a reindeer or in a hail of bullets at a clan rally, but getting ripped apart by animals can be a fun way to go. And if you got children, they'll never pay for another drink for the rest of their lives. Think about your kids. Yeah. Yeah. That's all Billy Jensen. Father was ripped apart by raccoons back in '84. Tell us about it, Billy. First, you got to show them to me. I really wanted to put together something extra scary for you all this episode. So I stretched my brain to combine what is the most pure primal fear that swims around the hell soup that is my mind? And something I've learned since joining the show that now fills me with dread. Largest fear? That's simple. Going to prison. Yeah. Yeah. It's I dream about all the time. It's fucking nightmare. It's the worst. I go to prison for a crime I didn't commit, and I have to deal with it. He's going, "Yeah, what believe me?" "No, what believe me?" There's no faith worse than rotten in a place where laughter is met with violence, where your cellmate is just as scary as the guard put there to keep you safe from them. Prison is a place where you go to be forgotten, a place far away from society, a place made to destroy you mentally and physically. Rehab seems to be an afterthought these days. Your cynicism in America is still at 50% eight years out. It got better, but it's still pretty bad. Yeah. I mean, you were in around for the Karl Panzeram years when we talked about how bad American prisons used to be. They're still fucking horrible. Like don't get me wrong. But when you go back and look at the things that Panzeram went through, those men went through in like 11 worse back in the day, it was damn near that the goal was to kill them before they were released. Yeah. It was hard for treating them back, but with Karl Panzeram, all of the tortures just made him physically stronger. Yeah. And then he took it out on the world. Just strong enough where he almost killed President Taft. Really? Yeah. Oh, is he the guy you tried to shoot him? He broke into his house. He broke into his house just for fun. Oh, really? Yeah. See, the best way to kill Taft, you tickle him a bunch. You get a heart attack. Yeah. I mean. You still look sick. You're broke. You're broke. I had an extremely small taste of jail life. I personally spent seven nights in jail and three separate trips all in the Florida panhandle. Now in the grand scheme of things, that ain't shit. But it was more than enough to make me terrified of returning, but it also helped me develop an advanced level of empathy for the people inside. Now fortunately, other than depression and getting probation that tested me for weed twice a week for a year, nothing bad really happened to me. I did have a comical interaction with an intake officer when he was checking my asshole for contraband. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Real quick. Oh, yeah. This is our comics and lease section. Yeah. So, Eddie, I understand that you've been pricked. You've been jailed. You've been jailed. You've been jailed. Why do you tell us that story? That's why he's spirit. He told me to strip down naked, bend over, spread my cheeks and cough. But being new to jail life, I was incredibly nervous and thought he said, strip down naked, bend over, spread your cheeks and talk. So there it was. My asshole aimed at the cops lying to side, asking him how his day was and telling him what I had for breakfast. Oh, look at me. Oh, look at me. Oh, look at me. That was the opportunity. Yeah. If I could auditioning for the singing asshole part of pink flamingos, like, what do you have an abalaca? You look all thing. That's the time to quote, if it's Ventura. I mean, it was redundant because from that angle, he clearly could have seen what I had for breakfast. He barked at me, cough. I said, cough, don't talk, cough. And then I retained my right to stay silent, except for a couple of little coughs. No cocaine fell out my tushy and I was allowed. to join the other incarcerated people that night. - You're lucky. - Yes, I was lucky. - You are. I mean, you say seven ain't a whole lot in the grand scheme of things, but in this room, I think you have everyone beat by seven. - Yeah. (laughing) - I'd never been caught. - No, you haven't. I was living with Henry when I went to jail. - Yeah, and I drove him back and forth. - Yeah, it's nice, yeah. And I've never been arrested, but I have been detained many a time. - That's different. Maybe that's a scarier. - Yeah. - That's because people just like to hold you. (laughing) - Well, you know, there was a cop back in my hometown the one and, you know, he was easy on the kids. - Yeah, he was good, but he knew he'd be scared. - Yeah. And you're easy on the ice. - That I am. (laughing) - I don't need to be back in this car, though. (laughing) - So I like to think of my fears as somewhat rational. For instance, I'm not scared of flying because I know the Delta would never let me die because they didn't want to pay out Julie. And plus, how often do commercial airliners fall out of the sky? A little too often, if you listen to the "Pain in the Everglades" episode. But I am pretty scared of cars, mostly because people die in cars all the time. In fact, accidents are the number three cause of death in America. In the US, driving a car is a rational fear, especially when old stock cars are rouskies driving. I'm very safe when you're in the car. (laughing) - Julie became safe with me in the car after I requested you to be safer. - Because I had a drive slower than the speed limit. (laughing) - That's fine. - Actually, it wasn't safe. It was just, you're making me ill. - Yeah, you're just annoying. (laughing) - So over the last couple of years, the thing I realized that is the most common denominator in absolutely horrific deaths mentioned on last podcast on the left is that they are unfortunately usually women. Roughly 92% of women murdered are by men they knew and 62% of all women murdered are done in by a man who they were in a relationship with or closely related to. It's fucking scary ass numbers. I recently reconnected with a social worker friend of mine to ask about these facts and they confirmed their truth. They went on to explain to me that the most dangerous moment for a woman in a domestic violence situation is the moment she tries to leave and that multiple times when she met women in prison for murdering their abuser, they'll say even though they're in prison, they finally feel free. So all this information brought me around to the conclusion that the scariest thing to me is to be a woman in prison and we'll just toss Florida in there to stay on brand. - You see that helps. (laughing) - You do have to narrow it down. - Yeah. - 'Cause there's a lot of women in prison amongst these many 50 states. - Oh my God. It's yeah, it's an nightmare. Suddenly I was brought back to this crazy ass story that came out of Tallahassee shortly after I graduated from drug court, aka probation right before I moved up to New York to lose money doing comedy with Henry for many years. - Don't forget doing podcasts, Marcus. - Yes, I lost a lot of money doing that too. - Yeah, again, we didn't have dues. - Huh huh. - What if it's not dues? - He's literally paid to be a murder person. - We did, we had dues that we had a demerit system that did not hold water. And I'll always remember the time that we had an intervention for one of our members and it showed up with a case of beer. And we're like, what are you doing? He's like, not an intervention for me. (laughing) And I'm just like, you're right, you know what? And it was like a whole thing. We're like, yeah. (laughing) June 21st, 2006, Federal Correction Institute in Tallahassee. There was a shootout at the Women's Prison, which left one guard and one FBI agent dead. No inmates were involved and said, shootout. Juicy shit, right? - Yeah. - I thought this would be such a fun story to tell when I took over the next episode. But the truth is, even though it seems like a case that multiple books should have been written about, there really isn't more info than just a couple of articles. Why? So I sicked our research and junkyard dog, Rachel Burke on it, to see what she came back with. And well, it's just lifted the lid on the amount of corruption, abuse, and murder that happens within the women's side of prisons in Florida. Turns out, not as radical as some of the documentaries as boys have watched in the past. - Yeah, man, I've seen a couple of them in the head, girl in the big house, ladies in the long house, ladies in the shower in the big house. I've seen a lot of different things. When you've all seen Cajeteets one through four, arrest me, I'm not home. (laughing) You see that? - Fly from your place. - Now, this subject is thicker than me and yoga pants. So I'll only scratch the surface while covering it today. I'm going to concentrate on two female prisons in Florida to talk about this issue. That is the aforementioned FCI Tallahassee and Lowell Correctional Facility Niro Cala. FCI Tallahassee opened in 1938 and was converted to house female prisoners in 1992. But its problems didn't become visible until the feds uncovered an elaborate sex for contraband scheme that involved six correction officers and incarcerated women there within. This didn't come out of nowhere. The feds conducted an eight month undercover operation in cooperation with the DOJ. Turns out the feds used to do other stuff than just get drunk with the hockey team at the Olympics. - Yeah, yeah. One of these days they'll get back to doing their job. - Honestly though, maybe it's nice, they're not working so hard right now if we can get away with a lot more stuff. - One of that's the things that the crime rate has been falling over the last few years over the last 20 years or so. - Maybe it's time to give the criminals a chance to catch back up again. - Yeah, you're right. - Fair spare here in America. So they found from '03 to '05 that five guards were to be indicted on charges of sexual contact with female prisoners with 10 different incarcerated women. Their names were Ralph Hill, Alfred Barnes, Gregory Dixon, Alan Moore and E. LeVon Spence. A six guard, Vincent Johnson, was accused of trying to cover up the crimes of his co-workers with threats and coercion. - So he wasn't even involved in it? He was just the cover man? - Yes, apparently. - Like I said, there's very little real reporting on this. They wanted to sweep this under the rug as quickly as fucking possible. - I would imagine. - Yeah, 'cause it's all essentially private prisons too. - No. - No, this is a federal prison. - Is a federal prison? - Which makes it even, it's why they definitely want to cover it. - Yeah. - Now before we get any further, I want to clarify that any sexual contact between a guard and an incarcerated person is rape, full stop. They don't have consent, they legally don't have consent. - They're unable to consent to sex with a guard because a guard holds extreme power over them. Guards control their housing, discipline, privileges, contraband exposure and access to family. That's even before we get to the fact that they're at work. And if a McDonald's manager is gonna be held accountable for having sex with an employee in the stock room, then show should a fucking prison guard, especially since they're literally locking up the person they're having sex with every night. And Quick Sidebar to McDonald's by adding those self ordering machines, all you're doing is giving your employees extra time to fucking the stock room. Just saying. It's also another thing that you're cough on. - That's a customer. - That's a customer. - Yeah, another thing to wipe down for the employee. So in this 13 page indictment, 40 separate crimes were listed in 70 such occurrences. During this period, the guard strategically swapped shifts covered for one another past messages and obtained cash to facilitate their sexual escapades with female prisoners. For the incarcerated women, the criminal guards brought in weed, cash, booze and personal messages from family. The guards would then extort the women's families for up to $600 a pop, which is a lot of money in Tallahassee. - It is. - Yes, especially back then. Just before 8 a.m. on June 21st, 2006, federal agents entered the facility to arrest the six guards as they came off their night shifts. This was supposed to be a low risk arrest being that it was taking place at the prison as they got off work. - Why do these guys do this? Why wait till after the work day is done? These guys are not the way that's not a way to arrest somebody. Get them in the beginning of the day. Get them at the top of the day. - No, you want to get at those work out of them. - I just don't understand. - Well, I think at the end of the day is that all you're thinking about is going home and you're tired and you're not really thinking straight. - See, that's when I'd fight the hardest. If you got me on my way to work, I'd be like, yeah, you know what, I'll go to jail. - Fine. - You know what, yeah. - Oh, I didn't have to go to work? - Fine. - You spent the last two hours just fucking dreaming about going home and having fun on the couch playing some fucking Elven Ring or some BG3. - But there's something you know super well. It's jail. - Oh yeah. The Bureau of Prisons, the BOP, has a rule that even officers can't bring weapons inside prison facilities. So it would be safe to arrest them as they left work. The hitch being that FCI Tallahassee had very loose rules for checking the cops when they arrived at work. Hence all the weed and booze they were able to sneak in for the women victimized by their scheme. Officer Ralph Hill must have had his personal gun with him every day. He went to work because the FBI specifically kept this arrest a secret because they were trying to avoid this exact disaster. For what I can tell, the actual gun fight was quick, maybe even less than a minute. Sometimes that's all it takes. One minute your gun goes off and your life has changed forever. This section of the podcast is presented by Trojan. - And for those of you who are an American, your personal gun is, it's not your professional gun, it's not your work gun. - No, that's your business casual gun. I have my business casual gun, I have my cocktail gun. And then, honestly, I have my brunch gun. - Yeah. - I do like the gun, you guys issued me, by the way. I really appreciate it. - Hey, don't wait, after 10 years, you're gonna get your anniversary gun. - Oh, the Pearl Handle. - Yeah. - We are in the culture war after all. And don't forget to pack your formal gun for the ceremony. - The person who distal you know, 'cause that's why I have the gun for the person who correct me about the weather movie about World War II. I'm gonna use it to shoot you in the face. (laughing) - So, as Hill was exiting the building, he saw the federal agents gathering outside to arrest him in his cohorts. And without thinking too much about it, he opened the lobby door and opened the fire. He shot two Bureau of Prison employees in his suicide by better cop scenario. He shot an unnamed BOP lieutenant and special agent William Centner. Centner was able to return fire, killing Hill in the prison courtyard. Special agent William Centner later died of his wounds at the hospital. He was posthumously given the Medal of Valor by former president more criminal, George W. Bush. The other five correction officers gave up without a fight. - 'Cause that's why you always bring your personal gun. - Yes, and that's why a lot of times, you gotta keep the little snub known in your sock as well. - Yeah, if those other five guys brought their personal guns, maybe they would have stood a chance. - So insane. - Yes, well, I'm saying, I don't think, but one guy remembered to bring his gun that day. - See, this is also an example of these guys had already become criminals. - Yeah, so they were criminals. So it didn't matter. There were criminals amongst criminals and the entire organization aided and embedded it. And I just think it's interesting that the FBI kind of walled in there like it was gonna be some easy thing, not understanding it was the inmates running the asylum. - Yeah, one of the things I kept hearing and seeing when I was doing research for this episode was that there's two types of criminals inside jail. So that is the criminals that are there for that got arrested and the ones that are guarding them. - Yeah. - Yeah, prison guard is a very sticky job in America. - It's really don't know what you're gonna get. - It's a hard, 'cause it's horrific. - Yeah. - It's a horrific job. It's also underpaid as all as any horrific job is. And it's like, I know the retirements like early, it's like a 15 year period. Like it's like one of the lowest amount of works you have to retire, you can work and then retire and get a pension on from what I understand. - Yeah, but pension is so valuable if you want to try to retire, especially if you like a soldier and have PTSD. That's what my dad did. That's why my mom's still taking my dad's pension. It's the whole thing, but that's the reason why they do these things because they're all trying to make money while they're in there, going to maximize the time that they're spending in this dangerous place. By, they believe, I think in some way, there's almost this idea that I'm creating an economy amongst us and almost creates like an order because it's like another type of order in a way, but I also think that they're all those criminals. - Well, I mean, it can turn a good man, hard. - Yeah, I remember one of my closest friends his dad suddenly decided when growing up, one of my closest friends growing up, his dad decided to be a prison guard. And he did that like four days on, three days off thing. - Yeah. - And when he came back, he used to, he was a quiet guy, but he was still kind of jovial. And after he started being a prison guard, he's just, just nothing. It was like, he just turned off. - Yeah, because in prison, everybody scanning you for vulnerabilities. - Yeah, my uncle was telling me how he like would see this like multiple people eat their own shit. - Yeah. - You know, it's like, it'll fuck yeah. It's weird in there. - Yeah. - Yeah, like this, no one ever talks about the prison is just fucking weird. - Yeah, man alone make a lot of weird decisions together. - Thank you. - So Ralph Hill, he kind of screwed the pooch for the other cops with the sensitive. After he went down in the hail of bullets, that pretty much solidified the other guards fade as guilty. The sentences doled out to these criminals with badges were varied, but not that stiff. Alfred Barnes, Gregory Dixit and Alan Moore got one year in prison, three years probation and a couple thousand dollar fine. Ilivan Spence got one year house arrest, mostly because he suffered a stroke after his arrest and Vincent Johnson, the guard that tried to silence and abuse women, he just got probation. One former resident of FCI Tallahassee, Ashley Turner, said that the scheme had been going on longer than two years and involved three times as many guards as the amount reprimanded, so. - Of course, because there's so many guys that are trying to keep it copacetic, because it's like, yeah, I'm certain. Again, it's complicated, it's fucking wildly complicated. - Yeah, and I would imagine, I mean, and this is just wild speculation here, but just knowing what I know about humans, I would imagine that even with amongst the prison guards, they're probably crews. - Of course, yes. - Yeah, amongst the prison where it's like, this was one crew. - Very much so. We're gonna get into that kind of a little bit later. I will say that after this, things at FCI Tallahassee got a lot better and conditions at the prison improved to the point where they're a new model prison for the rest of America. - Wow. - Fantastic. - That's incredible. - That was a joke. - Oh, no. - You couldn't tell. - Oh, wow. - Oh my gosh, 82ns.com, that's just funny. - You're just saying fake things. It's not a joke, this is the lie. - I used to be a professional joke writer, kind of like how you used to be an actor. - Oh, that's great. (laughing) - Well, all of Garrison Killer level humor aside, it's still awful there. You see, they only started reporting complaints in 2002 and from 2012 to now, there have been 130 complaints alleging staff on prisoner abuse and a few of those official complaints were actually filed by female guards against their male co-workers. This is amongst one of the highest rates of abuse in federal prison nationwide. So, FCI Tallahassee is not somewhere you want to find yourself. - No. - That didn't stop people recently from calling FCI Tallahassee a club vet, especially when an old enemy of the show, Kisley Maxwell was being held there. - She's still an enemy of the show. - No. (laughing) - When Ms. Giz was there, people were focused on the more progressive programs at the prison, like yoga and music classes, as well as cosmetology and baking programs. You know, basic things prison should do to properly rehabilitate inmates. - Yeah, they're still humans. - Yeah, they might not get out of jail, and they might need skills. - Yeah, exactly. So, when Maxwell was in prison there, there was a constant flurry of paparazzi in the parking lot of FCI Tallahassee. It was the whole place was in the public spotlight. Oddly enough, probably improving conditions inside there for a brief period. Things were for sure safer for Kisleyne, more than other incarcerated women because of her high profile. By leaving the prison, Kisleyne did what she does best, putting women in danger. Kisleyne has since moved to a place simply called Federal Prison Camp Brian in Brian, Texas. She was called a station. - Yeah, Texas A&M. - Exactly. She was moved there by our pedophile president, Wister Weller, something like that, I can't remember. - Well, you was trying to get her help, and then she said, no, and he still gave her stuff. It's amazing. He's so good at stuff, not a good guy. - Yeah. - He's such good at the job, and good to women. - He is. - It's a lot of respect for him. - Great at work. - So this place in Brian is much more of a club fed, not that I think that's a bad thing, by the way. - No. - And Kisleyne even said so herself in an email, she sent out claiming that her conditions vastly improved. Even recanting an FCI Tallahassee story where a possum fell through the roof of the kitchen and onto the oven thus mingling with the food being served that day. - That's some real Tallahassee cooking right there, boy. - I tell you truth, I really think that they could treat what color criminals worse. - I actually don't think we should have club feds. I think that we should be harder on them. I think that's kind of the problem with it, is that it's such a, they think about this. I'm thinking about fucking Mr. Murder. Alec Murder, he gets to sit in fucking Kushash jail, even though he's killed his whole fucking family, and he gets to sit in Kushshjail. - Oh, now he does. - Yes, he's in 40-year-old Kushshjail, 40-years-of-course fucking club fed shit. And I think that that's, well, fuck 'em, that's fuck 'em. They should be, Bernie Madoff should be in a hardcore Super Max present. That's where he should have been, fuck 'em. - Yeah, I know. I mean, I just don't feel like any prison should be that way. I think no. - You should actually try and rehabilitate the people. - I agree. - I think any nice prison should exist. - But I'm saying in terms of, some people have to be punished, though. There is going to be have to be prisons at some point. And I just feel like, what are we doing here? The white collar criminals are learning nothing. Everybody else, yeah, they're in bad prisons and they're born poor and their lives were fucked and they're doing all this shit and then all they get to go to another level of prison, too, fuck 'em. - I always live by the thought of, and I know that humans and dogs are separate, but hitting a bad dog doesn't make it a better dog. - If we're gonna have 'em put 'em in there, if we're not gonna have 'em for anybody, that's a different story, that's my view. When I have 'em for anybody, then great. But if we're havin' 'em, put those guys in 'em, too. (laughing) - You all right, now, I absolutely cannot argue with that. - He's spoken like a man who pays his taxes. (laughing) If we're gonna torture people, let's torture the right one. - Yes, torture the bad ones, dude. They all need it. - I remember one day of me and my buddy were drinking real hard in New York, and he was, you know, awful and he was going around trying to kick cars and stuff like that. And there was like a shitty little Mazda and I stopped him, I was like, hey, man, if you're gonna kick a car, kick a Mercedes. - You can make it. - Yeah, yeah, that's just some guy just tryin' to get by. - Yeah, he's like suck, so fuck his life up. - So oddly enough, I have a weird personal connection here where I can second just laying statement. You see, I said earlier, I spent a couple of days cars ready to go. and Leon County Jail and Tallahassee, it was God awful. The food there was so bad that I would have welcomed a possum burger. I remember one afternoon, I mean a couple of the boys there were curious about the cheese. You see, the cheese, it backed a little bit, but it was still super strong, you know? And no matter how hard any of us tried, it would not melt. We even put a slice in the dryer for an hour and pulled it out intact. That was, that was how fucking gross this shit was, it's not real food. Yeah, it's got to chemicals and preservatives. Yeah, you know that dog food has higher state nutritional value? Yes, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, then about a decade later, I actually did a comedy show in Brian County Jail. That place was run pretty well, which I'm sure is why they let us in with a camera crew. Brian County, Texas is actually home to one of the most progressive sheriffs and former American Jail Association president Wayne Dickey. Sheriff Dickey ran a pretty tight ship over there. And one day when we were shooting, he said something that really stuck with me. I'm paraphrasing, of course, but he said he wanted his jail to be a place of true rehabilitation because most of the people behind bars would be getting out one day and they would again be his neighbors. And he wanted to live next to good people, not a bad sentiment, especially in Texas. Yeah, because other Texas hated their neighbors. Specifically. Other Texas hates neighbors. That's a Mexico, just Mexico, Oklahoma, New Mexico, New Mexico, and Louisiana, and everything around touching their borders as it, as a Texan, that statement rings true. I have heard people have that sort of sentiment, but I will also say that's an old sentiment. That's that there's not a lot of people in Texas who think like that anymore. Yeah, and well, there's a reason that this particular part of Texas is shown in the national spotlight. Yeah. So to hear that life is better for Kisleen once she moved to Brian, Texas makes a lot of sense to me personally. Sure. Yeah. And college station, like it's a college town. Yeah. It's called college station. That's Brian, Texas is right. I mean, it's attached to college station, Texas. Yeah, it's right. And one of the biggest schools in one of the biggest state schools in the entire state. So and it's a very, it's a very nice part of Texas. Yeah. Very surprised when I was down there, I like a much I liked everybody. Texas can be beautiful. Yeah. Incredible German food down there. Really? Yeah. Oh, I just had the ribs. So since 2006, 10 officers at FCI Tallahassee have been indicted on cases of sexual abuse, corruption, and abuse of prisoners. 11, if you count a dirty dentist who worked there. Oh, dirty dentist. Yeah. Other than the five made famous by the shoot out, the others names are Coralus Renew, Philip Gollady, Jimmy Lee Highsmith, Lenton Jerome Hatton, Keraton's Keenan, and prison dentist, Godfried Unaga, I think Oh, no, I say their names because, fuck these motherfuckers. Can I, can I tell you how they're all said in Texas? Sure. Yeah. That's Coralus Renew. Yeah. Feel it. Go. They go lightly, Jimmy Lee Highsmith, Lenton Jerome Hatton, Keraton's Keenan, and Godfried Unaga. Oh, Unaga. Oh, Unaga. Oh, Unaga. Remember every middle syllable in a Texas word is three syllables. Yeah. Every vowel. Yeah. Every vowel is included in every word, no matter what. Yeah. Yeah. And the emphasis is always put on the wrong, partly, for example, the next male. Really? Haasmith. Jimmy Lee Haasmith. For example, the next sound over from me was a town that if you look just looked at the name, you think it's like, oh, that's the town called O'Brien. Yeah. No. It's O'Brien. What's like, Miami? Miami. Miami. But no, if you ever said like, oh, yeah, I'm going over to O'Brien, no, no, no, it's it's I'm going over to O'Brien. O'Brien. Yeah. Lenton Jerome Hatton. Yeah. Oh, Unaga. No, I'm not going to get in all these guys stories, but Jimmy Heismith is a particularly atrocious shit bastard of a man. He had a string of civil suits placed against him from 2010 to 2021 with multiple women he raped, having to be rushed to the emergency room. He was caught in the act by another guard, and one of the victims that reported him was thrown in solitary confinement for her own protection. Haasmith, being the total psychopath that he is, then requested to work the isolation unit where she was being held in hopes to intimidate her into dropping the charges. Eventually, he was suspended for 10 days and then moved to a different federal prison in Mississippi called FCC Yazoo City. He was then given a promotion, an admin job. Part of his new cushy job there was ensuring that complaints and grievances filed by staff and inmates against guards were thoroughly investigated. Finally, in 2021, his crimes caught up with him and he was indicted on three counts of rape against inmates. Each count held a maximum sentence of 15 years. In the end, he was only convicted on one count because the evidence was so overwhelming they couldn't sweep it under the rug. They had prisoner complaints, guard witnesses, and video footage. He was given 48 months and should be getting really soon. Please do not confuse him with smooth jazz saxophonist Jimmy Heismith Jr. who is doing everything he can with his grubalicious sax riffs to make consensual sex all that much more enjoyable for all of us. Was that his dad? No, no, they ain't. There's never been a saxophonist in history that's done a single crime. No, they don't do crafts. Jazz men don't. No, especially jazz saxophonists. Jazz guys don't do crafts. Don't look into it. I'm just going to keep looking at the sound look at coming up next week our three-part series and the crimes of Boots Randall. Oh God, I can't even imagine if you go back to the blues guys. No, no, no. The horrible story behind the yackety sax. Oh my god. I wish. The blood spiddled around yackety sax. So how are y'all doing? You need a break? I'm good. All right, great. I've been into low correctional institution. I promised to end this episode with a fun-ish story and my next episode will be far sillier. It's gotta be. I promise. I didn't mean for this to happen. It's just what happened. My next one's going to be awful. Yes, it is. Mine is awesome. Mine's going to be silly. You're going to see mine. Silly, but it's got a lot of depth. Thank you for doing that. You're welcome. So as we learn lines of tragedy that killed the soul of America, what are you talking about? The Janet Jackson, water belt function. Yeah, that's right. We're coming up. The sixth episode series about the Janet Jackson wardrobe mouth function that changed us all. I'm in sync with that. See, as we learned when I talked about alligator pelican at my last episode, sometimes the location of a prison can be a form of punishment. Military federal prisons are built in the middle of nowhere because big cities or high income areas aren't too keen on having a federal prison in their neighborhood. Lowell prison is in between O'cala and Gainesville. Henry, how would you describe that part of Florida? I say it's a place that needs a neutron bomb. I think it needs a neutron bomb and infrastructure is good. Oh, does need to get rid of the people. Yeah. I think that everything can be salvaged business and building wise. And infrastructure wise, we can really get into that. I think that's fine. We don't need to rebuild the highways, but we do need to get rid of all the people. Yeah. For me, I just, I hear Gainesville and just the word ripper immediately attached to it. Gainesville's like a little like liberal spot in the whole state. It's really right outside of it. It's like, yeah, because O'cala, you've all heard me talk about how bad O'cala is. It's pretty fucking awful. O'cala is one of the dead places of the soul of America. There's certain places in this country of ours that are not Asheville wonderful. Yeah. There's certain other places that you go and you're just like, oh, wow. This is the dusty corner where all of our lives and degradation lives. Yeah. Like Odessa, Texas. O'cala's one. Yeah. O'cala's not quite Lake City, but it's almost there. There. Now, this may be a- Don't even talk about Poots of Gorda. Poots of Gorda is where you go to get impregnated by your grandfather. And you know what they say about an ice fill? It sucks. Yeah. I don't believe it. We need that shirt. That's incredible. They need that shirt. Welcome to an ice fill. It sucks. It's great. No, this may be a shocker to you, but there are way more poor people in prison than rich people. That's what I'm saying. Yes. Let's say your daughter got into a fight at the bar and got a heavy sentence for assault because women often receive stiffer sentences than men for the same crimes. And that statement is for sure true about black, brown, and indigenous women. Sounds like she just took the training well. I gave her my whole life. Now let's say you're from Pensacola and they decide to put your daughter at low correctional. That's a six hour drive. And you're only allowed to visit for one hour. You can't just get back in your car and drive home after the visit. That's assuming you have enough money to even own a car. So you have to get a hotel room, but you can't just go for a ride. for one day because a trip like this can cost a lot of time and money and you most likely can't get back there in a while and you gotta go back to work. So that's assuming you're lucky enough to be employed, including the mis time from work, a simple trip to visit your daughter in prison could end up costing you well over $1,000. - Yeah, it's all about the punishing people all around the whole system. It's punishing people that are poor way harder than punishing people who are rich. - Don't even get me fucking started on the phone calls cost. - Oh yeah, it's crazy. - No, that's the American way is poverty is very expensive. - Yeah, so low correctional institution holds most of Florida's female prisoners. With a population of almost 3,000 women, it is the largest women's prison in the United States. Low correctional is a playground for predator guards. There are two few cameras, all right? In the past decade, thanks to things like COVID, there have been staff shortages and mismanagement. - COVID was an excuse for a lot of these fuckers to rip out everything and they did not put anything back. Still, six years later. - It's exactly right. The female prisoners have said the abuse has become intolerable. Think about that. They basically said the abuse we used to get was manageable, but now we're totally fucked. In 2020, the DOJ said that law was in direct violation of the AFA amendment and the Civil Rights of Institutionalized Persons Act and gave them 49 days to get their act together or get shut down. Then, Florida Secretary of Corrections, Mark Inch, who was named after his cock, I believe. - It's from the P from a long family of inches. - See, Mark denied the claims by the DOJ and way past that 49 day marker was asked if changes have been made to improve the prison and he simply said, no, that's it. And there it is. The only honest thing a prison employee will say in this episode. - Absolutely not. - So, Mark Inch, quick history, stepped down after being director of prisons federally in 2017 after a house oversight and government reform committee was investigating the BOP. Corporal faced Ron DeSantis thought that was awesome and hired Inch to be in charge of Florida's prisons. He retired after a year on the job. Mark Inch was just another person incapable of cleaning up law and other Florida prisons. Well, incapable because he didn't want to and he didn't care. And I'm sure DeSantis just put them in because that happens a lot especially in modern times when it comes to government as they just put somebody in there that they know we'll do a bad job. Or they just won't do the job and it's just a placeholder until you put another person in there and another person in there. - You know what's great about an underqualified person? They're super loyal. - Surely they'll do whatever you say. - Yeah, really? - It's because they want the job, they love the clout. They've been given a job that they don't deserve. That's why we have Cash Patel right now. And the idea is they were given a job that they don't deserve. And so now they desperately have to keep it because the second Cash Patel is not FBI director anymore, we're all coming for him. - Yeah, yeah. - It's going to be investigated. - Yeah, he's very much going to be investigated. - Yes, they all are. - And it's not the new, it goes, you know, I mean, even in our lifetime it goes back to Michael Brown, had a female, fucked up, Katrina so badly, that ran horse shows before George W. Bush made him ahead of our federal response to emergency. - They're favors to buddies. - Yeah, they're favors. - So this is all gonna lead us to the suspicious death of incarcerated woman, Latandra Ellington. One of the main problems at Lowell Correctional is guards covering for each other and retaliation towards women who report abuse. Often women who file the report of abuse, usually find themselves in solitary confinement, which is torture. - Yes. - On September 21st, 2014, Latandra Ellington witnessed Sergeant Patrick Quircioli raping a fellow inmate and reported it. 10 days later, on October 1st, 2014, she was found dead in her cell. She was a 36 year old woman with only seven months from release. Quircioli or Sergeant Q, as he's known around the prison, began to threaten Latandra if she didn't withdraw her report. Sergeant Q also had it out for Latandra because this was the second time she had filed a report on him. The first time was for making her sleep on the top bunk, even though she had a medical pass to sleep on the bottom bunk because she had an injured back. Latandra, not that her crime matters, was imprisoned for tax fraud and doing a 22 month stint. You know, about half as long as serial rapist, Jimmy Heismith got, she also suffered from hypertension and was on blood pressure medication. It is said that the only people who are guaranteed free healthcare in America are incarcerated people. That don't mean it's good healthcare, not to get off on too much of a tangent here, but prison healthcare is a disaster, mostly due to staffing, not just from lack of medical staff, but from lack of adequate amount of prison guards. Doing a good job of keeping Gary Ridgway alive. (laughing) It's like them and Bernie Madoff also live for a real fucking long time. All these guys, they get great. Some of them get good healthcare. You think the ones that are fucking the big name ones get good healthcare? BTK's still going strong. Yeah, dude, live life. That's crazy. Not looking great. No, he doesn't get as many peptides. Did he ever look great? Yeah. (laughing) Yeah. Ed, do I have some photos to show you? (laughing) I fucking jerk off to the BTK bondage footage. (laughing) - Live from North Korea. - Well, one thing you were right about earlier, Henry, is that being a prison guard in Florida is kind of like a last resort job. Basically, they get paid about $45,000 a year. And as Chris Rock put it so eloquently, you get what you pay for. - Yeah. - The turnover rate of medical staff in prisons is through the roof. With lack of enough guards, medical workers are often attacked themselves. So no inmate can see a medical professional without two guards getting them and bringing them to said medical professional, which is rarely a doctor themselves. - And every medical procedural show in history always has that one episode. - Always. - Where it starts off and it's like, yeah, we got a patient coming in. He's a prisoner. - It's always that. And it's always one person who's scared of him and then by the end of it, they're advocating for them. - Yeah, 'cause he's like, you learned, he's like, there was only so much I could do. He stole my mouse. - It's always just the most, most lovable prisoner you've ever met in your life. - Either that or that. - I just tried to save them from robbing the pet, stole and the man fell down. - Or it's the new way to do it is the guy is like, - I killed the man when I was 17. I'm 53 now. - I've been talking a whole lot, I can never. You think you could maybe go to my old high school and give me a piece of cake from the cafeteria. - Your whole life thrown away for one mistake. Jennifer Lopez. - Yeah, you're right, it's me. No more Jennifer Lopez. And I've got to say, the sad. (laughing) - It's my Jennifer Lopez version. - I wanted to get a better understanding of all this shit. So I hit up a nameless buddy of mine who used to work in the medical field inside of corrections. They said, if you're sick, you put in a request to see a doctor and then it can be days or even weeks before you're seen. Many people die waiting for healthcare. If you get shanked and you're in a rural hospital, two guards have to go with you in an ambulance to the hospital. And sometimes because of the roll locations of these prisons, that may be a three hour ride to a hospital. Plus then, hospitals have been known to overcharge the prisons once they get there. Hospitals overcharge anybody that goes in. You think they're going to fucking draw the line at prisoners? (laughing) - Absolutely not. - Oh God, once the federal government gets involved, men, they are taken, or it's federal or state government. - Yeah, they're all making them first. Long of a ride as they can. - Oh yeah. - All right, so let's say there's an extreme situation of a riot and many people are injured and stabbed. First, there's a total lockdown. No one gets seen during that time. Then hours later, they start to see patients, which is super cool when you have a puncture wound in your kidney. Now, also, I learned about something else that they called, called Compassionate Release. - Yeah, they did it for what's your name? Well, they tried to. - From the Manson family. - Oh yes, Susan Atkins. - Yeah, they were trying to get her out for a walk 'cause she was dying of cancer. - Yeah, you know, and you know, if you're really sick, they release you as you can go die at home. I was happy to hear this. I needed a brighter side. Looking into all this shit. Turns out Compassionate Release can be used as a weapon to kill somebody they don't want to actually treat or can't afford to treat. Oh, it's gonna be expensive and a pain in the ass to give this person chemo. Let's release them. Then once they're released, they're pennilist with no health insurance. It's a legal death sentence through poverty and neglect. - I just think there's a way to give this to just the molesters, right? Like, if there's a way to do this to just the word, this is what I've been saying even before. It's just like, I feel like drug charges. That's the fucking, I can't even believe like, tax fraud, fuck that, whatever, all that kind of shit. But once we're in the fucking and sucking of kids and we're gonna stuff, I feel like I feel like that's fine. Yeah, I think that's fine. I think like, fuck 'em, right? In a way, just for them, for those guys. - I thought about this for myself. Like at the end, if I thought like, okay, if I were to spend, you know, life in prison, you know, I'm in my 60s, I get cancer, and they say like, either we can treat you with chemo and you can live another 10 years in prison, or you can die at home within a few months. - I choose to die at home with him a few months. - Of course. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, also like a chemo could be just a bit. And also some like, "Prison's getting the good chemo." - You know what I mean? - You're not getting the good stuff. You know, like it's not like that they're not caring. They're not putting up a video of Moana to calm you down. They're not doing anything like that shit. - That's true. - That is true. - That is the bad chemo. - I know how calming Moana gets you. (laughing) - As I'm sticking my chemo, she's been like, "Can I just take this home?" - I'm gonna do my chemo in my house. - That's probably one step away from Annie Freeze. - Got me. - Just drink your fucking notes. - Oh, yeah. - Back to Latonja Ellington. She was in close contact with her aunt, Algarine. And her aunt recalls being petrified of Sergeant Q after the first report. After the second report, she was under constant surveillance. Her outgoing mail was read in no private phone call. Someone would just stand over her while she made every call. Q was usually the person doing it, listening to every word that she was saying. Eventually, to let her aunt know what was happening to her, she sent out letters to her under another incarcerated person's name. In the letter, she stated that she saw Q and officer Dustin Thrasher involved in abusing inmates, although they did not say exactly what she saw in those letters. - Yeah, I'm doing more of a slashing thing. (laughing) So it's been a thrashing thing. I'm more of that a bashing. I do more bashing and slashing more than Thrasher. - Q and slash and thrash her? An officer thrash her? - Yeah. - These are our current bad guys. - Officer Q, officer Thrasher. (laughing) - In those letters, though, she detailed her fear of Q and mentioned that he threatened her. He was going beat me to death and mess me like a dog, she said. All in my face grabbed his radio and threatened to bust me in the head with it. It was a direct quote. Another inmate reported that she saw Q tell Latandra that he would get rid of her if she didn't drop the report. Sergeant Burrand Bergner, who took the report from a crying and terrified Ellington, said that he was confronted by Kirstie Oli and Thrasher and then said they were going to take him out into the parking lot if you filed the report. Turns out Bergner took himself out to the parking lot to get in his car and drive away scared chillness. - Bye-bye. (laughing) - He was the scene from Dollmaker. - Yeah. - I'll be back. - I promise. (laughing) - When Bergner got home, he realized that he forgot the binder. The report was in on his desk. He panicked. He called the president asked a fellow employee to look for it. They said they couldn't find it. Bergner drove back to the prison in the middle of the night to look for it. It was mysteriously missing. He was truly scared of Q and Thrasher. So he went on a stress leave the next day. A week later, he saw the Tondra's picture in the news and he had a feeling he knew what happened. - So it's Q, Thrasher and Bergner. - Bergner. - Bergner, Bergner. - Yeah, these are all characters from Sleepers. - Yeah. (laughing) - Bergner is fine. - Yeah. - He's just a pussy. - Yeah, he's just a pussy. He didn't want to stick his neck out. - Yeah. A little bit about Patrick Kirstie Oli. Oh, Q is a steroid monster of a man covered in tats with a notorious temper. When he worked for Martin County Sheriff's Office, he got arrested for selling steroids back in 1994. He also admitting to using the drug while employed. His file had a letter from a sergeant that said that Kirstie Oli had been repeatedly counseled and reprimanded, ignored department policy, manipulated the rules to benefit himself and showed no respect for supervisors or authority. The steroid charges were dropped after he agreed to complete an 18-month drug prevention program. His law enforcement certification was suspended from 1994 to 1996, followed by a year of probation. - Oh, he learned a lot in that little break. - Yeah. - During that downtime, he was arrested again. - Oh. - On battery this time. - Well, that was research on prison. - Yeah. - This is all about researching the prison system and what the prisoner goes through from intake through separation. - Yeah, he beat a motorist in a road rage incident in Coral Gables. - Man, tell me about it. (laughing) Fucking god. - God, I'm jealous. - So before the Department of Department of Corrections rehired him in 2004, he said the steroids were fake and planted by a crazy ex-girlfriend. - Crazy ex-girlfriend, you know how they know what steroids are? He said the road rage was self-defense. - Yeah, of course. - And they were in desperate need of guards, so they hired him. - It was like fake steroids planted by a crazy ex-girlfriend. - There's a lot of bunch of syringes in his fucking duffel bag. - He said they were oil and water. - Oh, sure, and they don't test for that, obviously. - Yeah, 'cause that's usually how criminal convictions work. Is that if someone just writes steroids on a bottle - And puts it in your bag. - And puts it in your bag, automatic conviction. - Yeah, 'cause they don't test those things. They don't do that. - Yeah, especially when you admit to doing it. - Yeah. (laughing) - So on October 1st, 2014, when LaTondra didn't wake up, it appeared that she just died peacefully in her sleep. Her autopsy concluded that she died of natural causes. Now, there are so many nuanced moving parts here, and the Miami Herald did an amazing detail report on it. Here are some of the highlights of the weird happening surrounding the death of Miss Ellington. The Miami Herald were actually the ones who noticed something was wrong in her toxicology screening. That screening showed that she had a toxic level of Amlopin. Amlopin and Lodopin. - And Lodopin, a blood pressure medication. It was in her system eight times the normal amount. - Yeah. - Also, her cell was not treated like a crime scene. There were no fingerprints taken, no DNA samples. Nothing in the cell was processed. Officers and inmates who served LaTondra meals were not interviewed, nor were inmate orderlies who worked in the area that morning. LaTondra's cellmate, Jamie Shepard, said Ellington questioned what drug she was being given the day before, and a nurse named Donna Weeks told her that they were, quote, "to it is," and something else. Her cellmate said that Lodotondra woke up that morning, ate breakfast and went back to sleep at 9 a.m. She thought everything was fine until Lodotondra started snoring louder than usual with her fists tightly clenched. Lodotondra was pronounced dead at 11.20 a.m., she was 36 years old. - So they'd hot-shotted her basically with blood pressure medication? - That's what it sounds like to knock her out. - To have her stop doing the report, yeah. - Even after all the evidence was found, LaTondra Ellington's death was not investigated further. Kersioli, Thrasher, and everyone else involved escape legal action. Three months later, Kersioli and Thrasher were fired because they were unable to perform their duties. I did some digging to see what I could find out about old Patrick Kersioli was up to these days, and he was interviewed on a motorcycle lover's blog. He loves his custom motorcycle that he rides while wearing his vintage German war helmet. - That's what my father had as well. He had a war one helmet that was very ironic. - But I'm guessing that he's not going. - He didn't have the pointer. - Yeah, no, he didn't have the pointer. - Yeah, my dad had the point. - Yeah, that's kind of funny. - Well, and that's going back to the Kaiser. That's not, I can see that, but if it's, you know, other kinds of vintage, world German. - He's also on Facebook, yeah, yeah. Where he thinks he's a photographer, but it just seems like he's really in the distorted filters and AI images. But my favorite fact about the new cue, the new and improved cue, is that he has multiple albums on Spotify where he cosplays an indigenous seminal flute player. - You know, I will say, at least it's art, you know what I mean? It's race changing, but at least he's playing the flute. - And we know it's him. - Yeah. - So he knows. - I like triple check. - It's definitely him. - It's better at least he's in race dark. You know what I mean? That's a motorcycle's in flute. You know, besides the racial parts of it, at least it's something nice. - I mean, if we are talking about rehabilitation and turning the lives of it, maybe he did find some sort of solace, find some sort of peace. - Be out of that. - Yeah, be out of murdering inmates. - Yeah. - But he was never actually punished. - Yes. - Yeah, but he even tried. - Punishment's enough, he lives in Okala. (laughing) - All right, I promise y'all a funnier story from Lowell Correctional Facility. So here it is. It's the story of Marie Dean Aarrington. - I really like this story. - Yeah. - Mean Marie was her nickname, and she was a bad mama bitch. She got that fun nickname because before she turned 40, she had been charged with over 60 crimes. She'd been found guilty of manslaughter and murder on two different victims four years apart. She'd been sentenced to death, making her one of the only women in the country on death row. - Yeah. - She then escaped from death row and began a three year long run from the law where she would earn the distinction of being the only the second women in history to make the FBI's 10 most wanted list. And again, she accomplished all of this before the age of 40. What have you done with your life? - I'm just a doctor. (laughing) - I'm just a lawyer doctor that does court during the day on surgeries at night. (laughing) - Who is the first? Was it Bonnie Parker? - I have no idea. - Well, 'cause when you said it was the second, I figured it could have been Bonnie Parker, Ma Barker, or Carolyn Fuuget. One of those. - It's the 60s, so whoever was before that. - Who was the other- - All three of those women were before that. - Who was the other one that detects this one? - That's a, you're taking a Carla Faye talk. - Yeah, that's what I'm taking a nap. - That's not until the- the 80s, late 80s, early 90s, but she was on death row as well. So Marie, you know, Marie was born in Leasburg, Florida, 1933. And trust me, when I say that is not the ideal place or time to be growing up as a young black woman. I did a movie in Leasburg. Oh, yeah. It's one of the worst cities in the whole country. Oh, yep. Did you play a young black woman? Yes. And honestly, I thought they'd like that more. I thought that they'd appreciate the black face. And it seemed to really, it's hard with the makeup because of the heat. Humidity just kind of fell right off me. There's very little publicly available information about her childhood, except for that she dropped out of school in the sixth grade, which is pretty damn good for Leasburg even these days. I'm pretty certain that the mayor didn't even graduate from elementary school. He was raised independently by just an entire church. Marie spent her 20s getting into a lot of trouble, forgery, assault, larceny, robbery, passing bad checks, whatever she could do to make a buck to support her family. The timeline's a little unclear, but Marie definitely had children from her previous relationship and would later say in an interview that she would do anything for her kids, anything, but murder. Keep that in mind. It's very important. And the business we call this foreshadowing when she was 23. Marie was working as a maid in a motel, making 75 cents an hour. One day while scrubbing the floors, Marie had an epiphany. She realized she can make more money simply by robbing the motel. There's all this money that I'm not getting. She robbed her boss and then staged a scene to make it look like she had also been a victim, trying herself to a chair. It was the perfect crime. Except for the fact that Marie had been chained smoking the entire time as she was waiting for the cops to show up, and when they questioned her how she could smoke all these cigarettes with her hands tied up, she realized her master plan had been foiled and she confessed. Now, look, I should mention here that in order to fully enjoy the Marine Dean, Earrington experiment, you're going to have to suspend your disbelief a little bit. A lot of the info Marie comes from Marie herself given in jailhouse interviews. And if Marie's criminal history tells us one thing, it's that she's a habitual liar who cannot be trusted. So if you're going to sit there and ask, well, how could she tie both of her hands to the chair? How to cops those? They were her cigarettes. I can't help you. All of these anecdotes could be bullshit because they're coming from a notorious bullshitter. And I think that's kind of fun, actually. It is. I mean, it's even better. It's a window into the mind of this person and what they think other people will believe. Yeah. So some parts of the story not up for debate, though, like the murder of Jack Earrington. In 1964, Jack was living the good life down in South Florida. He was a former police officer, turned Miami nightclub bouncer, and he trained boxers on the side. You know, classic gentleman, classic South Florida gentleman. Absolutely. It's a good job. Probably trained with Jake Lomada. Who knows? He also had a highly toxic marriage with Marie, who was fully in the midst of her brat summer. Earlier that year, she had been charged with larceny and vehicle theft. And she might have had her sights set on something bigger, according to one of the boxers, Jack trained. Marie told him that she was going to kill Jack. Ladies always tell you, yeah, I'm going to kill that. I'm going to kill him. I'm going to kill you. They tell you before they do it, but a month later, she did. On the 4th of July, 1964, Marie and Jack went to Bethune Beach. It was supposed to be a day of the three F's, fun, fireworks, and frankfurters, but a turn tragic when Marie added in a 4th F fucking murder. Yeah. Marie and Jack got into an argument in the car turned physical. I witnessed Nathaniel Powers testify that he approached the car to break them up when he saw Jack Chokiner. The timeline of what happens next doesn't make total sense, but again, you can't let the truth get in a way of a good story. As it goes, Nathaniel Powers got shot in a leg. No idea who fired that shot or why. Also, Jack Arrington got shot. The shooter on that one, not up for debate, it was Marie. As for the motive, her lawyer claimed self-defense. Marie claimed it was an accident. Take your pick. I think Marie might be a murderer. At the time she should have just went with self-defense. Yeah. Because Nathaniel Powers said he saw Jack choking her. Yeah. She could have done it. Yeah. She's just too honest. At the time he was shot, Jack wasn't dead yet, but he was on his way. Marie left him there, bleeding out, and took off to her mother's home in Leesburg. The next day she turned herself into police, confessed to killing Jack. Wait a little. No. Marie was charged with manslaughter. The state didn't pursue murder charges because they couldn't locate the weapon. 47 years after the trial, Marie said in an interview that she'd snuck the gun in the Jack's casket and had been buried alongside of them. That's incredible. That's incredible. That's incredible. I assume consisted of a half hour lunch break, a six minute recap of how good the lunch was, and then one minute for them all to agree that Marie was guilty. She was sentenced to 20 years in prison. Marie was going to spend two decades in the slammer, and there was no way out. Unless, of course, she could come up with $500. What? Yes. Marie appealed the conviction. And while the years long appeals process was in motion, the judge decided to let her out on an appellate bond for a cool $500. That's awesome. Yeah. Remember when I mentioned the cartoonish ineptitude earlier? This is the shit I was talking about. This is actually the first time we're seeing someone show mercy. Yeah. It could have been that in these days, because we're talking in the early 60s here, 64. Yeah. It's quite possible that she was a black woman facing an all-way jury, and the judge may have had some sympathy even to think, "Okay, well, let's see what she does." Yeah. It makes sense to, at the time, too, there was a whole thing about women don't really commit these crimes, too. Yeah. Like, an idea of like, "Oh, who knows what this will let her out. She's not going to go do a bunch of other crimes and we'll let her out." Yeah. And women are weak. They let her out. And she was on her best behavior. Unfortunately, the same could not be said for a couple of her kids who were running a foul of the law. In July 6, 1967, 19-year-old Lloyd Dean and three of his friends set out to rob Eastern oil gas station in Leesburg, Florida. The plan was simple. Lloyd and Eddie Daly would enter the station, rob the cashier at gunpoint, and two other boys would act as lookouts. Then the boys would split the millions of dollars in party forever. The cashier, Herman P. Lane, refused to give up the money. It was unclear which one of the boys had the gun, but they didn't have it for long because Herman P. Lane wrestled it away for them while screaming, "You done fucked with the wrong gas station, cashier tonight, boys." Herman P. Lane, 8th of one. Something like that. Yeah, of course. Yeah. It's the type of shit you scream when you're wrestling. Don't get away from a teenager. It's mad. No! That's the one. I know. After Lane disarmed one robber and the other punched him in the head, the boys managed to get $40 and fled the area on foot. They were not caught and the end result was a hard earned pair of 20s to be split four ways. You got it. Ten bucks each. Not a nut. Not a nut. Even in 1967. $10 for wrong robberies. Not a lot. Not a lot. Yeah. It's the best. But, you know, you had a couple beers. Well, it didn't pay for long, unfortunately. You know. A short while later, Marie's 17-year-old daughter, Francina Dean got arrested for passing bad checks at a public supermarket, rookie mistake. Every flurry of nose, good checks got a public's bad ones go to Windexy. Yeah, because they checked public's checks. That's good. We still know that. Well, being questioned about the crime, Francina offered up information on the Eastern oil robbery, giving police the name of Daily and Sean Brown, one of the lookouts. She admitted her brother Lloyd's name. As soon as Daily and Brown were brought in for questioning, they ratted on Lloyd Dean immediately. Yeah. He responded by blaming everything on them, saying he didn't partake on the robbery. He just showed up after it already happened, although he did admit to sharing it on the profits because when someone as a Chris Alexander Hamilton with your name on it, what are you going to do? Not take it. Yes. Full $10. Yeah. So both the Marie Dean, Arington's kids are now on trial and things didn't go well for either of them. 17-year-old Francina was sentenced to two years in prison, despite public defender Bob Pierce arguing that she was just a kid who was raised in a bad environment, a statement that I'm sure Marie was thrilled to hear. I mean, let's just say Marie's not the, let's not mom first. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, I like her, but I don't want to ever know her. Yeah. Yeah. I like the energy. Lloyd was also represented by Bob Pierce. And the results of his trial were fricking disastrous. Daily got 10 years probation, maybe a little harsh for a $40 robbery where no one got hurt, but pretty reasonable overall, no prison time. Brown was a minor, so he got sent to Juvie detention. Then there's Lloyd, who got, I shit you down. not life in prison. Wow. For this fucking robbery. The judge was no doubt swayed by a pre-sentencing report that argued that Lloyd Dean was in danger of following in the footsteps of his criminal mother. This shit like this still happens. Yeah. More than ever. Yeah, man. It included I slavery. Oh, yeah. Yeah, man. It included testimony from his grandmother that said she tried to raise him right, but that Lloyd didn't know the difference between right and wrong. And she was hoping for a harsh sentence to teach him a lesson. That old shitty bitch that she was. I think like five years of a harsh lesson. One's fine. You know, I think it's one is fine. I think it's enough. I think it would be enough. Yeah, one. Yeah, one's all right. Yeah. Life in prison. Fuck me. Yeah. Marie Dean Arenton was fucking pissed off about this situation. MDA was MAD. Her kids were both locked up with a gregiously excessive penalties. She was getting dunked on left and right in court. Bob Pierce blamed her for Francina right and bad checks. Whoever wrote the pre-sentencing report used her as a way to advocate for Lloyd doing life behind bars. And so I ask you at this moment, what would you do? What would you do if you're Marie? Merge? Go up. Ape shit. Bottom line. Marie was determined to get her money's worth out of that $500 appeals bond. She set out on a poorly planned revenge tour. Stop one. Bob Pierce's office. She felt that he had done a poor job defending her two kids and she was going to let them know by killing his fuck ass. Problem is, Bob Pierce wasn't in the office that day. Turns out sometimes lawyers are in court. Yeah. So Marie did the only logical thing. She kidnapped Bob Secretary, a woman named Vivian Ritter. Can I just say if you're going to do a bunch of murder, don't kidnap anybody. It's a fucking hassle. It really is. Yeah, and especially if you're going to murder, don't pivot to kidnapping. No. Yeah. You stick with the plan. Go back. Murder the guy when he's there. Just check it in and seeing how everything's been. Sorry about it. Happened to my children. Yeah. Seeing a couple wins. When's Bob going to be back? Yeah. So Vivian's disappearance had Leesburg on edge two days after her abduction, they found her car. The trunk was covered in blood. Police brought Marie in for questioning, but she had an alibi. At the time of the abduction, she said she was out fishing with her cousin Ellie. Cousin Ellie was all like, don't get me wrapped up in your bullshit and denied the claim. Upon further questioning, Marie admitted that she had not been fishing on that faithful day and that she had gone to Bob Pierce's office. But while she was there, her and Vivian Ritter were both abducted. Good story. In her new story, the abductors drove both of them out to an orange grove and then decided to let Marie go driving her back to Leesburg and saying that if she said anything, they'd kill her. Marie let police back to the orange grove where they were later find Vivian's body. Fuck. I bet that's where Nancy Cooper is not here. Nah, she's in Halisco way. I actually think she might be in Cabo, enjoying the rays of the sun and having margaritas. God, how happy would you be if it was just a finally a picture of her just sucking out a margarita? Just her like middle finger just like fuck all y'all. I hated my daughter too. Like that would be amazing. I'd love that for her. But that's, that's not what happened. I think we're going to find her in a small Eastern European village wearing a booshka. Yeah, like a mustache shouldn't it? It's being like, my name is Gunko Borskarski. Yeah, no, my name is Gunko. Oh, the genetics are going to match. All the testing is going to match. It's definitely everything's going to say it's going to be Nancy. No, I got to the war. I make sandwich for the Ukraine boys. Pay me with their loving. All the Ukraine boys come and fucking suck me after I make them super sandwich in a kinder world. Yeah, that's Nancy. That's where we would be right now. So after the found Vivian Ritter at the Orange Grove, they searched Marie's home and found all sorts of ransom notes saying that if her children were not released from jail, she would dismember Ritter and send police body parts one by one. In the notes, she also threatened to kill the wife of Troy Hall, the judge who handed down Lloyd Dean's life sentence. She did not kill the judge's wife, although his house had been broken into a few days prior, but nobody was home. So all mean Marie instead decided to take a shit on his floor. That's what I do. As George Clinton would say, she got that dog enough. That's a naughty dog. That's as she wrote all these notes, but never sent any of them. No. No. She didn't follow through. It wasn't the best. She's just not a super type A. No. So unsurprisingly, Marie's second trial didn't go much better than her first. Despite eyewitness testimony that seemed to support Marie's theory of a third of Dr and a handwriting expert saying that he couldn't link the notes to Marie. She was found guilty after the all wide jury deliberated for a few hours. On December 6, 1968, she was sentenced to death by electric chair. Marie was sent to Lowell Correctional Facility. Remember that place to await death? Despite please from the prosecutor that she was very dangerous and needed to be in a maximum security environment, she was placed in a minimum security hospital room, cartoonish and aptitude strikes again. So what she's supposed to do now? Not escape. You obviously don't know Marie Dean Earrington, my friend. As far as prison escapes go though, this wasn't exactly Shawshank Redemption. She simply let some matches and melted the screen window enough so she could break through it. That's amazing. Yeah, you heard that right. She had a screen window. And it's not even a metal screen window, yeah, it's great for keeping out skaters, but bad for keeping in mean Marie's. I'll tell you that much. She rolled up some blankets to look like a sleeping body. Then she ran, hopped over a couple barbed wire fences and was gone. All in all, it was a prison escape that was easier than your average American Ninja Warrior course. Wow, very easier. Cops showed up with bloodhounds hours later and found nothing. It was like she flew out of here, the prison superintendent exclaimed like a total dumbass. And just like that, Marie Dean Earrington was on the land. The public defender and the judge were on high alert, thinking that she'd come back to finish the job. She stayed gone. Somehow getting to New Orleans and starting a new life as a diner waitress named Lola Nero. That's a fucking assumed name. And anyone's like, my name is Lola Nero. It's like, that's not your name. You'll win. Okay. What are you running from? If it is their name, though, they do have to call every man big boy. Yeah. Hey, don't hit that big boy. My name is Lola Nero. They want some rats, especially 68 New Orleans. Yeah. Well, she kept tabs on the search for Marie Dean Earrington and took a sense of pride when the FBI made her the second woman ever on their most wanted list. She also mailed some threatening materials to the judge, but otherwise kept a nose clean. Her daughter, Francina, got out of prison. Her initial two-year sentence was extended after they tacked on an additional charges. Forget this. Attempting to escape. Yep. Marie was sure that any day she was going to get caught, but lasted for three years before the feds finally tracked her down. She was brought back to Florida and given an additional 10 years on top of her death sentence. But about that death sentence had never happened. Turns out Marie had unwittingly saved her life. That's awesome. Because shortly after she was put back on death row, the landmark case of Furman versus Georgia ruled that the death penalty was unconstitutional and invalidated the death sentences of nearly 700 people nationwide, including mean Marie. Her sentence was changed to life in prison plus 10 years, even after Florida became the first state to institute a new death penalty that met more rigorous requirements set forth in the Furman case. They couldn't go back and retroactively give the death penalty any Floridians in the original 700. So instead of getting the chair at 40 years old, Marie died of natural causes at 80, like a friggin champ. She beat the state of Florida. She really did not many people do. I mean, she's still died in prison. Yeah, but she didn't die in the chair. That's right. So before we wrap up, I don't want to, hey, I got to jump back in the bummerville for two seconds, which could be an alternate name for a call. But currently, Ron DeSantis is on in the execution tear in 2025. Florida executed 19 people, which is more than any year in the state's history and 40 percent of the entire nation's executions. Florida uses a system where the governor decides who is executed and when based on a criteria that isn't public. The state is currently on pace to repeat last year's numbers. Also, the laws were recently changed that capital punishment no longer has to be a unanimous decision by the jury and a death sentence can be given to someone with a vote of eight to four fucking nuts. It can be assumed that our dumpy governor is doing this because he's about to term out and wants to kill as many people as possible so we could run for president again on his usual tough on crime platform. Fuck you, Ronnie. That's the end of this. Yeah, fuck him. And I did did find out who the first woman on the top 10 most wanted list was Ruth Isman Sheer. I'd actually never heard of her before, but the reason why those other women were not on the list, except for maybe I think Carolyn Fuget, is that the most wanted list was not created until 1950. - Oh! - About a funny Parker. Actually, I think when Bonnie Parker was going to Ma Barker, I don't think the FBI was even officially a, I don't think the FBI was officially established at that point in history. - Really? - I don't think so. - I can't remember, I think Bonnie and Clyde helped to create the FBI. - Yeah, it's right. - It led to the creation of the FBI. - Oh, the highway men. - Yeah. - Yeah, the highway men. - Oh, yeah. - That incredibly mediocre movie. - Oh, right. - It was supposed to be so good. - It was so bad. - He was fucking Kevin Costard. - It was so bad. - He was so dumb. - There's gonna be awesome. It's that I've never seen a movie that I could describe as aggressively mediocre. - Yeah, I really was. No, it's good though, a perfect world. - Perfect world's great. - He's good movie. - And that was actually a film's right around where I grew up. Yeah, it was filmed in a town called Aspermont that when we have listeners out in Aspermont, so hey, hey, are you Aspermont or are you Aspermont? Are you Aspermont Hornets out there? Come out. (laughing) - I think it's Kevin Costard's best in dances of wolves. That's his best boring best performance. - Yeah. - That's when his boring was really good for the movie. - I just always hate that movie 'cause it'd be good for us. - Yeah. - Which, it's not good for us. - It's fine, Mark Scalf says he doesn't. He doesn't need all these Oscars, he has us. - You're right. - Well, he did get Oscars, Michel. (laughing) - We're really good job, Eddie. - Yeah, that was great. 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Yeah, good work for you, guys too. - Yeah, thinking. - Hail Satan still. - Hail Geen, I guess still. - Yeah. - Hail Mean Marie. - Why not? - She's a murderer. - She's a double murderer. She's not a good person. But she's a fun, phenomenal story. (laughing) - He's a fun lady.