Episode 5 - Monday, January 5, 2025 Council Work Session and Meeting

Welcome to Pell and Perspectives, everybody. I'm Emma Rillis Barnett. I am sitting here with former Council member, Councilman David Korum. And boy, we've had a little bit of a doozy of how far we have. Yes, we certainly have. We certainly have. All right, let's jump in because we got a lot to talk about tonight. All right, let's talk about the work session. There weren't that many things on the agenda, but apparently it took a little bit of a left turn. As always, you get your call to order. They did a record of attendance. They approved the minutes from last time. Old business. Let's talk about the old business. And you and I have discussed this before. The old business was about contracting with somebody to sell the property at Oak Mountain. What is the Oak Mountain trail property? It is where tractor supplies look at. That's right. That's right. And if I remember correctly, there had been a little bit of a question. The person who has been contracted to sell this property comes before the Council every year just to give an update and you had had some concerns about that. So I'm going to let you talk about that for just a second. Absolutely. And I briefly mentioned this the last time. One of the times that he came to us approximately about a year and a half ago, he had indicated that he had had conversations with Hilton and with Mary Oton because this is what I do for living. I work in the hotel industry. I reached out to those development folks to say, hey, is there anything I can do to help promote this, push this along whatever we need to be? And I said, I'm sorry, what are you talking about? And I said, well didn't Mark Dynan reach out to you all directly? Are the guy that's selling the property? And he said, no, we've not received any phone calls. Not only for anybody from Pellum, much less Mark Dynan. And I said, okay, will you send that to me in writing so that I have documented proof of it? I showed it to the Council at the time. I said, there's some real integrity issues here. They overlook that and still elected to move forward with him saying, who else are we going to hire? I've provided some options. They didn't want to go there. This was the previous Council. Correct. Yeah. And so when I saw this pop up again, I said, well, you know, we've got a lot of new people on the Council. They may not be aware of these things. And so I sent them the email. And I said, you know, had this conversation previously. He claimed that he contacted these folks here is documented proof from these agencies that this individual did not talk to them. And I said, there's a real integrity issue here. And it concerns me, you know, that we want to continue down this path. And they still proceeded to move forward with it. Was there a moment where you were able to have a conversation with him to ask for an explanation? I did. When he presented, when I presented it to him and said, Hey, here's the email here that states that you never had those conversations. He said, Well, a no is a no until it's a yes. That's standard salesman stuff. It is. It's very used car salesman. I've been in sales. I don't know if you've ever been in sales. That's sort of what sales is. Okay. Well, it came up for vote in the work session. And they went ahead and put their stamp. And the Council meeting they did on the consent agenda. We will wish them the very best and hope that the property sells soon. The next thing was what kind of turned into a little bit of a, I would say a detour. Yes. Read the amendment that was presented for discussion. Absolutely. So this is resolution 2026 010510. It is entitled authorizing a budget amendment for the mayor and city managers department budgets. Whereas the mayor of the city of Pellum plans to add several new events and activities initiatives through the mayor's office, thereby increasing the need for administrative and logistical support to plan, execute and manage current and future events and projects. And whereas the mayor and the city manager have jointly determined the addition of an executive assistant to the mayor is necessary to support these expanded duties and responsibilities. And whereas the mayor and the city manager have requested that the city council consider a budget adjustment to the mayor's departmental budget for FY 2026 in the amount not to exceed $70,000 to fund eight months of salary, benefits, travel and training for an executive assistant to the mayor. And whereas the city manager's departmental budget for FY 2026 shall remain unchanged and the city manager's office will replace the executive assistant position with an administrative assistant position consistent with prior hiring practices. So that is what was in the official resolution. And that was that is just the resolution that was before any discussion before any details have been offered correct. And as you are apt to do you posted the the agenda for the upcoming work session and the upcoming city council meeting just to make sure everybody is in the loop. And you said, hey, FYI, what they're referring to in this particular line item is a resolution that indicates that their that the mayor is looking for a for a new executive assistant. And you indicated the amount of money that the current executive assistant made and made a may equated the two of them. So I want to give you the floor and let you talk about it for just a second. And you know, we try to stay we certainly have opinions, but we try to stay pretty neutral and try to be pretty fair. So I want to give you I want to give you the opportunity to share kind of what you think on your side. But also kind of take a little bit of a little bit of a chance to sort of, you know, say this is actually my perspective and what happened and correct, correct. So again, just because I want to make sure that I'm as accurate as possible, I'm going to read to you the post that I originally made that references. And as usual, I have posted the agendas typically the Thursday or Friday before. And so last week, I think believe it was actually the Friday or Saturday, I posted attached to the agendas for the upcoming Pellum City Council work session and meeting this coming Monday, January 5th. Work session begins at 5.30 in the city council conference room and the council meeting begins at 7. Something to note on this agenda is a budget adjustment to the mayor's budget for FY 26. The mayor is asking for an executive assistant with a starting salary of $70,000 for the remainder of FY 2026. The resolution is attached. I will share more specifics after the council meeting on this topic during my next podcast, Pellum Perspectives, as it is part of the consent agenda. This means it will not be any discussion about it on camera during the 7 p.m. meeting. So that's what I stated. I didn't share an opinion. Sure. One way or the other. And then the internet did what it does. It does. And it blew up and people said, why does the part-time mayor need this? And I said, that's a good question. Yeah. I agree a part-time mayor doesn't need an admin assistant. That's a lot of conjecture. Admit it. Correct. Yeah. Correct. It is. It is. But there had been no discussion. I saw I simply was stating what was there. And if you read it on its face, it says that the mayor is asking for an administrative assistant. Right. And so when we started down this path of doing this broadcast, it was to bring transparency to the things that sometimes are not discussed openly. And the reason I took the chance to expound on that particular thing is because this is something that's on the consent agenda, which means the public at large would not see it on the video as a discussion point. And so I wanted people to be aware of it. Hey, this is something, you know, you may be interested in the lip. And I even stated when so far as to say, I will share more about it because I did not know anything about it other than what was written on the page. And that is exactly what I stated. Well, what I, I, unfortunately, was not able to make the work session. I did go to the council meeting, but I was not able to go to the work session. But the moment that I walked into the council meeting, I was greeted by someone else and who immediately said, oh my goodness, the work, the work session took a left turn. Unfortunately, the mayor took it personally, and that is unfortunate. It is. And, you know, that is certainly not at all what was meant. So it felt a, it carried over. We can talk about this when we talk about the actual meeting agenda, the council agenda. It felt a little bit like a temper tantrum. I know that sounds a little bit harsh. I forgive me if that does sound harsh, but it sounded like he got his feelings hurt a little bit. Sure. And unfortunately, that's just how the internet works. And also, you know, we're talking about a lot of money and we're talking about somebody, you know, on the face of it, reading something like what you just read and not knowing the details. There was a lot of conclusions that we could make. Sure. That we're not unreasonable to make. No, I'm very fair conclusions. Yeah, it was not a pitchforks situation. Absolutely not. I think if you ask me and you didn't, but I like to give my opinion sometimes, I think that the internet does what it's going to do. And when you are in public office, you should maybe have a little bit thicker skin. And hopefully, you know, if there is a problem moving forward that it can be resolved with a little less anger or tension. And I will say that it was really, it was impressed with how they handled it in terms of the explanation. Yes. Because there is an explanation for what was happening. Absolutely. And I'll let you talk about that in just a moment. I thought that the way the city manager handled the explanation was perfect. Yeah. And said, I think that there's been a misunderstanding and let me explain it. And boy, that took care of that. It did. It was really great. And she was not upset or certainly didn't act like it. And I was very impressed with how she handled it. And kudos. That's just the way I would expect a public official to behave. Absolutely. And, you know, and full transparency. I've not always agreed with our city manager on some things. But the way that she professionally handled this last night was very impressive. She took what was a tense situation and dialed it down and dialed it down. And the reality is, you know, sometimes we see this in national politics when media doesn't, you know, and this is a form of media, whether people realize it or not. But when the media doesn't always tell the story the way that you want it to be told. Yeah. Absolutely. But they're stating the facts. You can't get upset. You don't have control over it. Then, you know, things can go awry. Correct. But also it is 2026. Yeah. This is just how the world works. This is just how the news moves along. So, you know, it's my hope that in the future, it doesn't get that tense and that the anger doesn't arise like that. But we'll see. We'll see how it goes. But I'll let you take a second and talk about what the amendment actually means. Yeah. And actually, you know, this, this was my intent. And I told multiple people after I go to the meeting, I'll be glad to explain further what's going on. And the reality is that with the 250th anniversary of our nation that's coming up, there's some other activities. The mayor is wanting to do some some HOA barbecues and different neighborhoods. These things do require extensive planning. And so, sometimes you can hire outside agencies to come in and do these things. But the way that they're wanting to approach it is they're actually going to shift an executive assistant that is already operating underneath the city manager over into the mayor's, you know, purview or into his budget. And that's why they're needed to be a budget amendment because that person is not already there. That bucket of money is not already there. And then what the city manager is going to do so that she can truly have somebody to help her with administrative duties, answering the phone kind of secretary old duties. She's going to have an admin assistant, which actually is a position that already exists. We just never hired somebody to fill it when the previous person vacated that position. Does that mean that it's budgeted for already? Or so what will happen is because there needed to be a budget amendment to move them over to the mayor's position. The money will still say budgeted for an executive assistant under the city manager. But that will be more than enough money to cover an admin because obviously you don't pay an admin assistant. The same thing you would an executive assistant, just different job descriptions when it comes to that. And so, this is not going to be an individual that's answering the phone for the mayor and those kinds of things, although they probably will from time to time. But that's not what this is. And the mayor did explain as he should, but he doesn't need somebody to answer the phone for him last night. And I think on a personal level, because for those that may not know, mayor wash served with me on the council in the last session. And so, we know each other personally. And one of the comments that was made in the meeting is that perhaps I should have reached out to him if I had concerns. But again, I was just sharing the details. I wasn't expressing an opinion. And frankly, that phone call can go both ways. You know, when it comes to that, he has my telephone number two. And if he was truly concerned about it, had he contacted me and said, David, this is really what it is. I would have been more than glad to go in and have that. But I didn't have that piece of the story at the time. And I'm no longer privy to that information. Absolutely. So, I have to find it out like everybody else does. Well, it's unfortunate that it hurt some feelings in it. It's unfortunate that it took a left turn. But, you know, I don't think this will be the last time that will happen. We only know what we know. And we're just passing along information. And as, you know, people, intelligent people, we can make, we can, there can be conjecture and there can be conclusions. And then once we find out what actually has happened, then correct. So, all right. Well, let's, let's move on from that. That was the end of the work session. They had an executive session after that. But then that, that ended the work session. Correct. Correct. So, then we move into the city council meeting, of course. Yeah. I did attend that. I do want to say something really quick that is apropos of nothing or maybe it is. And I had forgotten that, to mention this, because this also has happened when I have attended previous council meetings. The sound system, I know this sounds a little bit superficial. Sure. But the sound system in that room is so terrible. I really, really struggle to understand anything that was being said, particularly from Councilman Leverett, right. He's very soft-spoken and doesn't enunciate. Super well. Certainly, that is not an insult. It's just how he speaks. And in a microphone would be helpful. But the sound system is not very good. And so, even while I'm sitting there probably, you know, 30 feet from the man, I really struggled to understand what was being said. And in fact, when they did the first reading of a couple of these amendments that were introduced last night, I had no idea what was being said. Right. So, just a plea from me to you, or at the city of Pellum, if you can either turn off the microphones inside that room and just project your voice, or a couple of people that spoke last night that just spoke loud. They just, they had an audience. And so, they spoke loudly so that the audience could hear them. Or please turn up the microphones and fix the bass, fix the balance so that we can hear clearly what's being said from the day is. Absolutely. So, I, you know, that's a little bit of a detour. So, I just, I had completely forgotten about that from previous counsel meetings. I had always mentioned it to you and always kept forgetting. So, last night I made myself a note. We are going to talk about this. Okay. So, as always, it's called order invocation, the pledge and the record of attendance. And then we voted on the consent agenda. And you and I were talking about this just a little while ago, because I was confused, I was like, we did not address every single little thing that was on this agenda. But you were saying, you were telling me that when it comes to the consent agenda, it's just bundled because it's already been spoken for. It is. It's already been discussed. It's already been agreed to. And so, we just vote on it. Correct. It's, it's non-controversial issues, something that really didn't create a lot of discussion, except for the budget amendment, of course. Sure. And so, that's why they just, to save time, they just bundle it together and one fail swoop up or down. Yeah. Okay. And in that, in that flail swoop, what was voted on, this time around was the surplus personal property, to authorize the disposal or the sale. We had an extra golf cart that was being sold. Then the next one was the fiscal year 2025 carry forward capital project funding, which is the money that, or the projects that were in progress that were not completed in 2025. They're still going to get paid, even though it's 2026. Then they voted on the property listing. Yes. The agent. And, and then also some lighting for one of the trails here in town. We also, among this also was accepting a low bid from, for sandblasting and painting for the water tank over at high ridge. That's correct. Storm sewer repairs where they send a camera. That's correct. Down this storm sewer. That's how we know how to fix them. That's very cool. Very cool. The dog park is getting some zishing up. You want to talk about that? Yes, it is. One of the things that we budgeted for in the FY26 budget for parks and rec was some additional monies for disc golf. We were very fortunate enough to receive a sizable grant that allowed us to establish a disc golf course over a cocker park, over on the other side of the interstate. And so, you know, we talked about still putting one perhaps in the center of the city. But the reality is there's a lot of walking trails over there and people will get hit in the head by the first visit. We don't want that to happen. So, the parks and rec director approached the council and said I would like to reallocate this money to do some upgrades to the dog park. And so, they're going to kind of spruce that up a little bit and kind of bring it into the 21st century a little bit. It's a great park. It's really, really nice over there. I think it's a great decision. Then there was an amendment to allow some of our, there's some city employees who had their rec membership covered in their insurance. But when the new year came around, that benefit was pulled from their insurance. It is Blue Cross Blue Shield, as you know, does renewals periodically. And they were doing away with the Silver Sneakers program, which helped cover the cost of them to be able to utilize the city's rec center. And so this is kind of a way for the city to help them offset that cost so they can continue that membership. Then there's a unique non-controversial point here, which is the estate of June Fletcher, Mrs. June Fletcher, donated some money to the city. Am I, is that right? Or am I mistating that? There was a private donation somehow. There was a private donation for a bench on behalf of Ms. June Fletcher. And just to kind of let you know who she was, she was a, what I would say, kind of a fixture at all of the city council meetings for years and years and years. Back in the day, the city leadership had an adversarial relationship with a lot of the city in the city. And she would show up at the meetings and be present and take copious notes. And she would hold those to account. And we are somewhat carrying that on now. And she encouraged me to run, supported me financially. And several other people in the city. And so as a tribute to her for her passion that she had for the city of Pellum, there's a bench that's going to be installed at the city park. And so this is to accept those funds for the bench and then the cost associated with installing that. I think that's lovely. And look, I didn't know Mrs. June Fletcher, but I'm a fan already. Great lady. She coined the phrase and there were these buttons that everybody would wear saying five, not one. Oh, that's great. I love that. I love that. And then we come to, of course, what we've been talking about for quite a bit tonight, which was the consideration to amend the mayor and the city managers departmental budgets. And we talked about how just like in the work session, this also took a little bit of a left turn where I think a lot more words were said than actually needed to be said. That's correct. And I think that I again was very impressed with Gretchen. And I don't know her personally, but I was very impressed with how she was able to explain the actual situation and interpret the amendment for what it was meant to be. And it made perfect sense. And while I actually have some ideas for not spending that much money, I can appreciate that it was thought through. And grateful that she was able to kind of bring that temperature down. And I'm hopeful that in the future, if feelings are hurt on the side of either the mayor's office or the city council, that somebody can reach out and say, hey, can we talk about this? And this is not. Or could I share a little more information? Yeah. Because I can then turn around and share that with the public. But again, we only can read what's on the paper. That's right. You're as transparent as you want to be. So anyway, it took a little bit of a turn and the anger was palpable on one side. And I regret that. But in the end, they discussed that they voted on it. It was passed. And that's that. And I think nobody really took issue once it was explained. Correct. So that's a good thing. In terms of public hearing, there were none. The mayor not really any comments to speak of no proclamations. And then the city manager's report was next. But we had a presentation by the wounded blue organization, which was very impressive and very moving and compelling. Absolutely. So as a former member of the armed services, one of the awards that's given out when there is a member of the military is the purple heart if we've been injured in combat. Unfortunately, there has never been anything like that for first responders. Certainly, there are accommodations or awards that are given by cities. But there's not ever really been an equivalent award that's given. And so the wounded blue organization came up with basically their version of a purple heart. Blue heart, if you will, to be given to firefighters, police officers, paramedics, people that are injured in the line of duty. And they present this to them. And so there were two individuals last night. One of them is actually our state fire marshal, who happened to be on a site was investigating and the porch collapsed on him in the house. And he's lucky to be still standing here. Had to be life-flighted and all of those things. But the one that was, I would say, more apropos to our city, we had an officer, a female officer, a couple of years ago, Officer Mentor. Elizabeth Mentor. Elizabeth Mentor. And she was directing traffic on the interstate. There was a traffic incident that was going on and she was directing traffic around it. She had literally been on the job maybe a week if that brand new. Brand spanking new. And she was directing traffic and everything as it does on the interstate had been narrowed down to just a couple of lanes. And there was a man that was high and not paying attention to what was going on. And it's 70 miles an hour. It came down through there and struck her so hard and knocked her out of her boots. That's how hard. And she had numerous broken bones and contusions. She broke her pelvis. I mean, it was catastrophic. Absolutely. And for the last couple of years, she's not been able to serve in that role because she's been recovering from these injuries. And thankfully, we've been able to do some things on the city level to help compensate her. She's now back working not as an officer out on the beat, but doing some other things that are crucial to the department. And so the Winded Blue organization decided to give her one of these blue hearts last night for the injuries that she incurred. And you know, one of the things that was talked about in there is there's some legislation in place at the state level. The reality is if there's a brand new officer who or first responder of any type that is on the job for one day and they get catastrophically injured or never able to work again, there's nothing currently in place to take care of them. Like there would be in the military or anywhere else. And so they're working to fix that. Like I said, we did some things locally, but this is another recognition of the sacrifices that she's made over the last couple of years just to protect our community. Well, I'll tell you that the award is beautiful, that physically speaking award is this beautiful framed award is really, really beautiful. And both recipients are worthy of it. Officer Minter looked beautiful. She had her family there, her husband, her children. And I, you know, loved seeing her be able to walk up and get her award. And she was wearing heels. And I thought that was very impressive as someone who was recently in an accident as well and broke a lot of bones. I'm still not able to wear heels. So I was very jealous officer Minter that you were able to wear eye heels last night. So kudos and thank you for your service. That is, I mean, you know, I think we say that a lot to our officers and people that serve, but, and she, she went through the ringer in the line of duty. And so what I want to say also is kudos to the city of Pelham, because I, you know, super easy to criticize from where we sit. And it's super easy to actually see good reason to criticize, not that it's not necessary. Correct. But also, you know, you're taking care of your own, you know, I think that you got to give credit where credit is due. Absolutely. And officer Minter has been taken care of. She seemed to be super appreciative last night of what the city had done for her. And, you know, I think of someone like June Fletcher that we just talked about and offering, you know, approving the donation to give her bench when she was just a, I say, quote, just a citizen, but she was, you know, always there and always wanting to be involved. So I think that's great. I mean, so I'm, it's a great thing that Pelham can put people first sometimes. Absolutely. Or oftentimes. So I think it's great. Okay. And then onto new business, nothing really to speak of that much. There were a couple of liquor licenses that were being approved for the new Valero over here right off of right next to Stonehaven, where the wall greens and the old Wells Fargo is on Highway 31 in Stonehaven trail. Correct. Stonehaven and Pelham Parkway there. That's right. That's right. One of them inside that Valero, there's a, there's a meet and three. There he is. So they're going to, they needed to have that license approved and then also just for selling beer and wine. They are. They're going to have a kind of a liquor store side. And so they were getting a license for that. Great. And that was, that was approved. And then this is where I was very, very frustrated because I could not understand one single thing. And so I will go back and I'll find the documents online. But it was read the first reading. So let me backtrack. Will you just, will you explain why there's a first reading? Certainly. So there are resolutions and there are ordinances. Resolutions are, hey, the council's about to take action on something. We're going about to spend some money. We're, we're going to allocate some money. Those, those are actions that are taken. And then there are laws that, that this legislative body brings out. And what, those laws are referred to as ordinances. And just like Congress has its process, you know, they're adopting laws. You have to pass the House and the Senate and it has to go to the president. There's a process that we have to follow to an act of new law or a new ordinance. And, and the way that process goes is you have to have two separate readings of this. So the first reading is you are physically pulling it out and you're reading in detail what that ordinance says. And then you have to wait two weeks. And that gives the public time to digest. Sure. You know, what the new law is to ask any questions. It also gives fellow council members time to ask their questions and get them answered. And then in the next council meeting, a couple of weeks later, they will come back in. They don't physically read it a second time. But they'll say, is there any discussion about it? Is there any questions? Those kinds of things. And then they'll vote on that. And the way these are voted on differently than a resolution. Resolutions are all in favor. Say, I, and there's a voice vote on an ordinance because this is a new law that is being passed in our city. They do a roll call vote with a name each individual council member and say, how do you vote? Yeah, your name. It's on the record. It's on the record. And these are the only ordinances are the only pieces of legislation that every member of the council signs. Resolutions only sit council president and the mayor sign on those. But ordinance is because this is enacting a law. It's saying that the full council voted on this. And so we all would sign those. Got it. And there's there's a couple of hundred ordinances over the last couple of years that I've been fortunate enough to have my name. Signed two things that people have asked for in our city. And you were in a place. Yeah, absolutely. Well, let's camp out here for just a minute. I'm hopeful it won't take too long. Sure. But the very first one is adopting revised language for the city of poems floodplain development ordinance. And the reason for that was to update the language to match federal standards. That's correct. So if you want to talk about that for a moment. Absolutely. So FEMA periodically will come into cities and communities and they will update their flood plain maps. And what this effect or what a floodplain is is saying that there's a body of water that is nearby. And our in our case, it's we have Bishop Creek. We have, you know, all kinds of little tributaries around the city that can overflow their banks. Sure. Should we have a hundred year range? Yeah. And a couple of years ago that did in fact happen. Yeah. And so that's a hundred year flood. Yes. And so they're saying that anything any house any structure that exists in these flood plains areas that can be easily flooded. You know, they exist in a flood plain. So FEMA will update those because topography changes on the land scale changes things get lower, you know, bodies of water get bigger, smaller, whatever the case may be. So they will update their maps. And so what we have to do is then subsequently update our local regulations to match those national things so that when people apply for flood insurance that are in flood plains, they'll get covered. They'll get covered by the federal government because we're making those laws. And that was that was also the city manager was very clear on that. It was this is not something that city of Pellum is arbitrarily doing. No, no, no, no. This is something to make sure that we're in compliance. And so that our citizens are citizens are protected if we get into a pickle again. Absolutely. With a flood. All right. And then the next one is one that I kind of give you a little bit of trouble about when we were talking about this because you served in a previous council that just rubber stamped this as well. Right. And I just had some questions. Listen, sure could be a perfectly good explanation. Right. All right. So this is the ordinance. It's number 528 to amend chapter two article one section two four of the code of ordinance to employ the mayor as utility super intended. And so my question to you is my first question was is this a paid position and the answer is yes. All right. So by my count, that's the second job that the city of Pellum pays our part time mayor to do. What is the do you offhand know how much the mayor gets paid for being utility super intended? It's approximately $25,000 in addition to his base salary. And as utility super intended and certainly this is not meant to point out the current mayor because this has happened for previous mayors as well. This is not a you know pointing fingers situation at whoever is in office right now. $25,000. What is involved in serving as utility super intended? So it's really twofold. One, he oversees the water board which is the city council. When people have an issue with the policy with water department and they've done everything they can they come to the water board. He is the chief executive of that board. But secondly on paper there has to be an individual and executive that is in charge of the water board. And for example if I was on the council I could name you you know the utility super intended. I wish you would. There's a lot of people that probably would do that. And so historically the mayor and our city's done this. There's a lot of other cities that do it as well. And you know hindsight being 2020 we probably should have done something different with it. But this is something that is traditionally carried forward with it. And this particular legislation or this ordinance is in the past we actually had a physical name. Right. You just did you you went through this process each time versus just saying hey whoever's mayor is going to do this. Correct. We would put a physical name in there. And obviously the mayor changes every four to five years depending on what's going on. And so we said we're just going to put mayor in there. But a future council could come back and say you know what we don't want the mayor to be the utility superintendent or water board superintendent. So help me understand then when this changes to just hey this is the mayor. Whoever that might be is going to be the utility superintendent. Does that then preclude anybody else from being appointed for it. It does until the city council changes that legislation to. I take great issue with that. I take great issue with that because that is a that that I just take issue with that. Sure. You you can understand. So anyway that is the first reading of that. I hope people would kind of take a look at that more closely. Now again that might be you know a better explanation but I've talked to you and you served on the council and you never stamped this before and I to be perfectly honest. I'm not hard to grade explanation. I know I know I know friends and I disagree but that's okay. Well and like I said hindsight as we always have the benefit of hindsight. Sure. You know perhaps you know we should have done things differently there. And who knows like I said I have I have plans to pursue office again in the future and it may be something that we do differently later on. Well I'm going to make a note put it on my calendar to remind you. All right. It sounds good. It's great to talk to you. Absolutely. All right. Bye bye.