Episode 436: The Fascism of Fools

[Music] Have you guys been keeping up or have heard of this story about this former WMD agency director who went missing? He's I think he's a former commander of the Air Force Research Laboratory. He went missing outside his home in Albuquerque. He oversaw $4.4 billion in classified aerospace R&D. He ran the lab at Wright Patterson. He served as the executive secretary of the Special Access Program oversight committee. His name appears in WikiLeaks emails coordinating with a UAP disclosure meeting with the Clinton campaign. No, but you just got me hooked in. This exactly sounds like at the beginning of an next file's episode. Oh, and Boulder is explaining the details. He was a man handraub. It was written in details. I was like, this is definitely my shit. So, so what? Did he get abducted by aliens or the Chinese? What's going on? There's a lot of speculate. He had a health condition, but he was one of those things where he left his like cell phone at home, left his wallet and his keys at home. Like, nothing within and just vanished off the face of the earth. Now, this comes. This is a courtesy of a website. I know nothing about. So, take that with a grain of salt. Just appeared out of nowhere. It itself is probably some blue book a sideop thing. It's called the Sentinel briefings. But, um, sounds, sounds sinister as hell. Just sounds, sounds like the lone gunman again in next file's reference. This comes nine months. Give her take after the disappearance of a woman named Monica Jacinto Reza in June, 2025. She was hiking in Southern California and just disappeared off the trail. Like her, her hiking partner was 30 feet. Well, he changed his stories, I think twice. First, he said he was 30 yards and then 30 feet. But he's like, he's like, I was 30 feet away from her. I mean, I was an albuquerque. So, so wait, so what do you mean completely disappeared? Because you would like, you know, again, my mind, my imagination is run a wild where I'm thinking like her footprints are for hiking boots just suddenly stopped. You know, as if you just just swept up into the air. Not far off. Um, she was raptured. Yeah. Not far off. He, he, he said he was ahead of her on the trail and told her to turn in a northerly, northerly direction yelled back at her and she waved in confirmation. And then when he turned back around, like a few minutes later, she was completely gone. They found her beanie. But it like the, the trail dogs are the scent dogs or whatever, like track the trail to her beanie. And from there, they lost the trail completely. So like, who knows she got, she got caught by the alien track to be so hard that her like her shoes and beautiful wall. Yeah. They're, they're stealthy with it. These days, they really are just in and out. Boom. So what are, so what are investigators saying about this? Are there any leads? Yeah. Did they call it fox and mold? It's called lead, you know, now a website appeared three days later on like find a grave.com pronouncing her dead, which like she's not officially dead yet. Like she's just been missing. I don't know. So you just threw me for a loop with find a grave.com first of also, also if they're going to make a whole non profit out of that pal Mia stuff, you can't just give up on somebody just after a short period time. They give up on guys from the 60s. Yeah, exactly. Well, okay, the weird thing is is that this woman worked for the lab that this guy McClaskin or whatever or McCaslin, whatever his name is, McCaslin, William Neil McCaslin, the guy in Albuquerque, they both worked together. The weird thing is, is that according to this website, three people worked on the same project for the Air Force Propulsion Lab. It had to do with like a metal alloy that they included in rockets that would allow them to basically not burn up in the atmosphere. And the three people working on this one died of cancer, stage four cancer a few years ago. And the other two are the this woman and this guy who just disappeared off the face. Oh, no, man, we're working on we're working on the technology far beyond our our means and intelligence and the aliens have come and snatched them up. Yeah. Okay, well, then it gets weirder. As if two disappearances on the same project didn't get weirder. Well, did you did you all hear that story from a few months ago where that guy Carl Grillmare, he spent 30 years at Caltech's infrared processing and analysis center also worked for the Air Force Research Lab. And he was killed on his front porch by a guy. He lived out in the middle of the desert in the middle of nowhere. He he saw some guy sneaking around on his property called the cops. The cops came and the guy said he was just looking for the post office, which was in the opposite direction. 11 days also nothing else out there. Nothing else. Well, he studied. Yeah, he studied like the stars. This isn't where I parked my car. 11 days later, the guy came back and then killed him on his front porch. And then but that's also like six other people or five other people also associated with this lab have been either killed or died in the last nine months. So we bring it back are we bringing back like cold war style espionage and assassinations. Not that I know if anything any of these things actually happened. This just sounds like the plot of a James Bond film or something. But like what are what are they working on? You know what I mean? I mean, and would it be I mean, let's just if we want to go conspiracy minded here, what actor would there are no such thing as that name? I don't know what I watch in the news or what actor would benefit from killing targeting killing these people. You know, just curious. Well, it could be. I mean, I don't know, man, remember when Israel and the United States were like knocking off Iranian scientists. That's true. It could be true. I forgot all about that. Was that during the like the kind of the earlier rounds of the nuclear deal? It's been going on really for like the last 15 years. I guess it's been all for four years. Correct. Yeah. I mean, it could be I mean, this is pure speculation. I have zero evidence. It could be. I mean, it could be that or it could be aliasing though. I don't think it's a I mean, I they're trying to I think they're trying to I think they're trying to ramp up the alien talk just to have like a A B and C card if like targeted killings of Americans just doesn't go down smoothly. You're not sure. So we jest, but there are going to be people that are going to be talking about that lady that disappeared in her bany left like she got abducted, you know, and I'm not saying that I'm not ruling that out. But in this case, it's a little convenient. It's probably either Israel, the United States. They worked on some top secret alloy. They worked on some top secret like jet propulsion project. And now they have to like start tying up loosens. They knew too much that type of deal. Like it's not aliens. It would be cool if it was Iranians. That would be tight. Like the US would never admit to it because it would make us look weak. But when when it's when did just doing sides become like becoming a, you know, heavy duty trafficker types like in terms of like lifestyle. How do we say downsides? What do you mean? Like, you know, motherfucker just goes and gets like a physics degree or chemistry degree or something. Next thing, you know, he's got a lot of look over his goddamn shoulder. I guess I guess Walter what married those two ideas. Well, I mean, I guess if you're up against enemies of progress or you're dealing in some kind of technology that's like profitable, you know, I mean, I don't know. Yeah. I do when I do when I posit to you though, I mean, it could be, you know, Israel, you know, it could be the United States. It could be Iran, you know, it could be, I mean, it could be any one of these actors here. It could be a shady, nebulous non-governmental agency, you know, so I'm just saying one day you're at Caltech, scaring the hose, getting no pussy. And the next minute you got to wear about the massage coming and fucking pecking y'all. The next minute you're like, if you finally found the will and participant, you're loving Waff of many years. I want to start this episode with like this creepy, like, you know, serious, because like all these episodes, all these like podcasts managed to like strike this like unsettling, like unnerving tone when they talk about conspiracies. And like, I wanted to hint that there was some like shadow we figure behind the scene, like some kind of crazy creepy stuff going on. Some invisible hand and then Tom's just like, imagine you're at Caltech, slaying pussy. No getting no pussy. - And then all your waking hours in the lab, dreaming of a life in like probably an academia one day. Next thing you know, you're fucking living like a goddamn cartel guy. - I'll be what if that attracts more people into STEM, you know? - That is true. It's like, listen, tired of getting no pussy? Become a man and STEM and come be a casualty of modern spy craft. - Tired of being alienated and unseen by your peers. - What about having a target on your back? - I was thinking about this the other day as it co-op and the thought came in my head and it was, what is the state of spy craft? And like, do we like, oh and ask whooping to Ian Fleming and fucking John LeCair? You know? - Mm-hmm. - Like Ian Fleming, like the razzle of James Bond guy, right? - Yeah, but here's my thing, like two very different riders though I have to. - Totally, totally. - There wasn't, trying to disperse more people. - John LeCair, I think was critiquing it. I wouldn't say Ian Fleming, he was romantic. - I think Ian Fleming was in my six, was it? - Well they both were. - They both were. - Oh, well they both were. - Yeah, they both were. - So John LeCair was his himself a spy. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was the John Kirikou of his day. - Kind of. (laughing) - He kind of was, but without all the whimsy. - So my thing is this, right? Like, something Taren said on the show that's like loom large in my head, is that I did that the archetype of the American cowboy like sort of looms large in our imagination. Proportional to like, it's real heyday in America, which was about seven years to hear Larry Mercury and some others, you know, comment on it. What about two other archetypes that whose long shadows are really fucking us up and I wanna get to the bottom of it is the warrior and the spy. - Uh huh. - So the Western man can only go three paths. He can be like, a strip my warrior, okay? He can be like, you know, like take optimization classes from former CIA influencers and learn how to like, you know, project quite confidence for the low, low price of $199. - Uh huh. - And then the other thing you can do is just get really into Yellowstone and get lost in the, you know, in the cowboy thing. - Right, right, right, right. - Those are the archetypes presented to the American man unless you can just be normal. - It's unfortunate that we have an introduced pirate to those three archetypes that would be interesting. - Well. - We're not a maritime culture. - Yeah, we're not a maritime culture. We should bring it back. - We have too much man in a maritime place. You've got to forsake in the ocean. - Yeah. - Yeah, maybe it's climate change, you know, induces rising sea levels. Maybe we'll go back to our pirate heyday. - Yeah, we just like, we're Americans are land people. - Even if they live on the coast. - Even if they live on the coast, they're land lovers. They like, they're corn, they like their oil in the ground. - We're not as fibious at all. We're not as fibious creatures at all. - As you can see, when I heard Trump was deploying 4500 Marines to Iran to do that car guy, I'm thinking which the whole trajectory of this thing has just gotten way out ahead of us. - Wait, is he listening to that journalist that I forgot that article that we had covered where he suggested that? Who did, who would art? - Matt was Brad Stevens. - Yeah, he suggested that. - Well, Mark was there a fibious Marine surge, Brett's Rangianus. (laughing) The car guyland thing. - Can you explain me search? - The car guyland thing has been, it's like Brett, Stevens, Mark Levin, all those guys have been obsessed, Hannity, they're obsessed with the car guyland. - Okay, murderers were all psychopaths. - Which if you look at a map, car island is really far north up, if it's a colon, let's look at the person. - It's like in the Gulf. - Yeah, like this, the Persian Gulf is a colon. Like it's all the way up. - Mattaritz, you don't have to worry about these things, whether you're imagining, what you're just writing about it, you know what I'm saying? - That's true. - Imagine a war is just playing with toy pieces. - A motherfucker went to stake and hurled a football from his Dubai high rise and hit car guyland if he really tried. I like that's what we're talking about. Like up in the thing, you know? - Up in there. - Up in the thing. - In any case, yeah, we're not an amphibious people, which makes an amphibious surge seem like kind of not a great tactic, especially against somebody like Iran ready to rock and roll. - Even people on the coast are not amphibious people, like being a New Yorker, being on the coast, man, being right by the sea. How many times did I go to the beach? - Never. - Seems like there was a maritime culture in Long Island and everybody just became a cop that wouldn't reach. (laughing) - It's ironic that we wrote the novel form and its current form was birthed by a novel about Americans relationship to the ocean. I'm referring of course to Moby Dick. I'm referring of course to Daniel Hawthorne's the Scarlet Letter. - Scarlet Letter. - Yeah. - They were homies. They were homies, Nathaniel Hawthorne and Melville. - No shit. (laughing) - They were, yeah. - I heard that Moby the annoying techno artist was a cousin of Herman Melville and that's how he got his (farting) out of that gear. - Fuck off. - He also claimed he used to fuck Natalie Portman too and I think that's been debunked. - Wait, didn't also the Jonathan Safron for Gauss. Have we had this conversation before? Okay, we've had this conversation. Let's move on. - I think he thought. - I think he thought he had a chance. That was his thing. - He preemptively blew up his life or the chance in Natalie Portman was the store. - And one of the wildest moves anybody's ever made. - Oh my God. Okay, well, okay, we got, we got a lot to, we have a lot to cover today. We have a lot to move on. I talk about just to move on though, just to close the tab. I don't know why scientists are being killed. According to this website, the new Mexico vertex of this triangle of entry, conspiracy and murder is much heavier because apparently a lot of these people also worked at Los Alamos. Anyways, a Mua Mua when they saw Mua Mua over the natural observatory over there. - Yeah, there's been a lot of funny happenings in New Mexico, including back in 1987, September of '87. - That's right. - That is right. Anyways, we can close the tab, but before we do anything, any speculation. - I just think we need a boulder and a skully on the case, man. Maybe we should open up a real ex files department. - Would be pretty tight, dude. (upbeat music) - Today is March 19th. And I have to say, and I made this for Mark D'Aum yesterday, it feels like March 18th, the week of March 16th, maybe we'll probably go down as the week that. Any last, like any last doubts you may have had, any lingering doubts you may have had that we are not actually in World War III, and that like the final crunch is here. I think can safely be dispelled. Honestly, what it made me think of, have you ever seen that movie Cold Mountain? - Oh, yeah, Charles Frazier. - Frazier, yeah. - I got to interview him one time, a really nice guy. - Really? - Yeah. - I like to move that, but. - Like it was like a vague memory. - Yeah, he's a nice dude, but I like the movie. A lot too, with Jude Law and Nicole Kidman. Or I haven't watched it in a while, so I don't know. - Did you tell him that, be like, man, the book was cool, but the movie was better. - Oh yeah. (laughing) - You get to see, there's a lot of nudity and ass than the movie, so. - Okay. (laughing) - Like some book, yeah, man. - But there's a scene in that movie where. It takes place like in North Carolina, in the South, and there's a scene in that movie where the shots on, was it Fort Sumter, is that what started the Civil War? South Carolina, CeSeeds, North Carolina, follows. And then there's a scene in the movie where news gets back to the village that the Civil War started. And all these like Confederates and Southerners, Rebels, are like, we got our war. Like they're in church and news comes, and they're like, we got our war. They're like jumping up and down, they're ecstatic, they're happy. And that's all I could think of, like live look at Tel Aviv. Like we got our war. We got the war, we wanted. It's finally, it's finally coming. - Even though they had, but this time they had to go to a bunker and my question to those in Tel Aviv is, was it worth? (laughing) You have to have become mold people. - No more gay paradise in the Middle East. Where the fuck y'all say about that place? (laughing) But the reason I say that is because this week, I genuinely think in the history books, this week we'll go down as the week where it became impossible for the US to extricate itself from this thing. The Israelis did basically everything they could. And I'll go down the list here. They assassinated Ali Larrajani, who was ostensibly like, they're sort of like defense. They're head of like Security Forces, he was basically the de facto leader of the state. They assassinated several intelligence leaders like Esmail, Qatib. They killed multiple, they've been doing these decapitation strikes, right? But like, you know, Larry Johnny was like widely considered to be a pragmatist. If there was any diplomatic off-ramp to this thing, it was going to go through him. And by killing him, they essentially all but guaranteed like there's no hopes of that ever happening now. I saw there was one of the Omani guys had like broker to sit down basically through semi-diplomatic channels, much as the US and Iran can have between him and Trump and Washington. And then they assassinated the guy, the next day. I have to wonder how much of it is like, I mean, I know it's intentional, but intentional in the terms of just continuing to exacerbate and inflame Iran's response to perpetuate this war or how much of it is just like just not, I mean, just complete barbarism, you know, without even thinking, I mean, it could be both, right? But I'm just wondering, you know, like, are you, are you realize what you're doing that this is not conducive to your gobble? I mean, if their goal is total war, then it is, I guess, you know, I think that the Israelis want to engineer a situation where the United States has no way out. Right. And I think that that would explain why they keep escalating. Like at every step of the way they have escalated a situation that would basically make it impossible for the United States to back out with any, you know, reasonable credibility left intact or anything like that. Time for that was about 10 days ago. Yeah. We're in this. I think that like at this point though, and the assassin, you know, by the way, like these decapitation strikes that they keep doing, it is really insane to me that we like now live in a, that's pretty new. Like it's pretty insane to me that we now live in a world where the main, just assassinate heads of state leadership and stuff. And then like it's out of the news in two days. Right. Right. Like I don't know. Like that to me is a really wild concept that like the main stays of like an ideological movement and political movement would be like over the last 30 or 40 years, which is be like gone in an instant. And so then you've got like a turnover of people ostensibly who had rise to take their place. But it's just basically though ensures that there will be no diplomatic off ramp. Right. Like I mean, I, but maybe not. I don't know. Maybe the new crop that comes up is more amenable to that. But I think that's good. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. You guys are good. Well, all I was going to say was that like, by the way, just like on that note, there was a headline in the New York Times that was like Israel keeps assassinating Iran's leaders. Will it work? It's like just no, no recognition or acknowledgement of the fact that it's like a war crime that is like a legal by like various like they do it as like a legitimate like military strategy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just no mention of them carpet bombing cities like everything that would be, you know, direct violation of Geneva committee or any sort of like, you know, agree to Paul and, you know, global order. If you keep a sat, if you keep just assassinating leaders or anyone who's like, I guess like moderate enough, you know, to initiate diplomatic talks, like why would you think that anyone else would, you know, hold you at your word, right? Or believe what you have to say and not just think that you would kill them too. Yeah. Once the talk start, we're in such a bad shape as far as that goes to because our word is good for fuck off. Exactly. Right. Exactly. I mean, not, I mean, nothing dude, when when we had the Gulf state shook that like we just kind of abandoned them on that first offensive, which I think you're wrong. That was like a game. Well, in their part, they're like, let's see how, I mean, it serves a couple of functions, obviously, but like it's like, let's see how like let's, let's test the fidelity of America to these places, you know, and then they proved that their first loyalty was not even to the mainland US, but it is right. Exactly. Well, and also I think it tested the global economic order. I mean, I think that like, Iran's response has been puzzling to, I mean, I remember when John Stewart was like, oh, they hit Iran and Iran lashed out at everybody. Like Iran's response is actually very calculated and makes a lot of sense. Basically, it's like a certain that Iran still plays a very strategic and important role, both in the region and in the globe, but also that if it so chooses, Iran can shut down global commerce. And therefore, you have to welcome it into some sort of like global order. You can't just box it out and sanction it for decades and just pretend that like you can just bleed it to death slowly. Like what Iran wants is to make sure that this will never happen again. And the only way it knows how to do that is to make it as painful as possible for everyone involved. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone, everyone who's also been, I guess, in partnership with the United States. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And probably the only reason they haven't hit the mainland is they know that our leaders don't give a flying fuck about, you know, likes and thinking, "Tucky," or, you know, Knoxville, Tennessee. They're like, nah, we want to hit them where it hurts. We got to hit them in Israel and their golf. And their little golf clients. Well, as I mentioned before in the episode that we talked about that John Stewart clip, it's like what you're asking for in the absence of Iran strategically, you know, going after US Israeli bases in the region is carpet bombing New York City. Carpet bombing, telev. I don't know what you mean. But I mean, I think that's the only way, I think that in terms of maybe this is something that like going off a tip that you had mentioned, maybe, but it's kind of that's the only way that Americans can think of war, you know what I mean? And especially like the American military class and political leaders and journalists too, but the only way they could think of it is like this all out total assault, right? That is often framed in strategic strikes, but really though you're just killing civilians, you know what I'm saying? That's all that you're doing, right? But the way the news reports it, you know what I mean? Like in the 60s, if you carpet bomb a place like, you know, like Vietnam or something, you know, Cambodia, like that was like horrific. And now we just consider the theater war like it's it's it's kind of part parcel of everything just sort of becoming an entertainment product, even like batting on global affairs like the same fucked up mechanism that gives us call she in polymarket also like makes us well adjusted to atrocity. And it's like we're there's rallies in the Americans have really created a world at least in the West where nothing matters like there's such an apathy and there's such a pacification with our relative creature conference to where like like stuff doesn't even jar us that much anymore. The Epstein files came close, but like that's kind of like, you know, so last month now, you know, like that's like it's like they've engineered this news cycle to go so quickly and turn so quickly so that like we could just run right past really fucked up things that are damaging society and with like little pushback, you know, dude on that note on the on the polymarket cow she stuff, there's a story in the Washington post. I don't know if you guys saw that. A work car, a Spongebob received death threats from online gamblers who wanted him to change his reporting on an Iranian missile strike so they could collect a payout. One better had $900,000 writing on the outcome. He told the journalist he knew where he lived and who his family members were. They're just like when the gambling apps popped off, they were sending messages to college kids, not 10 year old kids saying, you stupid motherfucker, how'd you hit that, missed that free throw last night or this or that and that. And it's like gamblers are the biggest fucking losers in the world. Just hard. And I mean, I say that having, you know, an extensive past, I mean, we're sitting here, I've said here talk thinking about like, you know, political, economic world leaders basically, you know, manipulating events so that people can get a payout and there's just some guy who's going to threaten to send, you know, some dude with a bat, you know, to your apartment to break your legs. Yeah. Well, this is the world they've created and then didn't we find out this week that the Israelis are behind polymarket? Well, I think they took off all the punts regarding that. Y'all who's death and refused to honor them. Well, yeah, you can't bet on that. Y'all is death. Who knows what that means? I mean, you don't need at this point. I can't tell you we could bet on Aaron Thorpe's death or Tom Sasha. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. This is the second week in a row. You've used one of our deaths as a potential. What are you getting at, brother? Can I sit here? What app? She's got pull up. But, you know, that doesn't mean that Israeli's own it. It could be anything like the West is perfectly prepared to, you know, do whatever it takes. Western leaders and institutions are fully prepared to do whatever it takes to make sure that Israel's not like that they're protected at all times and they're sure they knew you're safe and warm. You know, they're free to suck and fuck and they're bonkers safely. Um, but like, um, I don't know, man, just perhaps I haven't done like a good enough job of relating in the first half hour of this episode of relating like how. No, things are dire, chance we're using humor to deflect from the overwhelming feeling of hopeless. You see it's a time-honored tactic. It is genuinely, um, words like unprecedented, I don't quite do it justice. Like the oil shock resulting from this, um, will be when all is said and done of magnitudes greater than anything experienced by people in the 70s. Um, where did it go in the 70s? What was the highest per in 1970s money? Oh, man, that's a great question. Ask Claude. I'd rather not. That warcraft. Um, I think though that like the where basically like what had happened this week was, um, Israel hit the South Pars gas field, which is like jointly operated by Iran and Qatar. Um, and then in response, um, Iran hit a gas field in, um, what is it? Uh, Carter, the rise, laugh and complex, listen to this. In normal times, a fifth of the world supplied liquefied natural gas, LNG, flows from Roslophone, Roslophone, a vast industrial site almost three times the size of Paris built over three decades at a cost of hundreds of billions of dollars. Um, they did not occur to any of these golf motherfuckers that while they're sitting over here sucking off like America and like being really cozy with Israel and shit that maybe I would try to broker some sort of diplomatic, at least channel between Iran who I'm sharing gas fields with and the Americans or whatever. Did that not occur to them while they were building all these goddy ass fucking high rises and, you know, having wholesale sponsorships of like F one and shit like, seems like that day was coming. Like, I think it their minds, they never thought that like gravy train would end. I think that they could just like do this in perpetuity. And at this point, not only are we talking about it changed like global energy, um, you know, framework paradigm, but like all these ways like Dubai, like done. They stupid motherfuckers. It's done. Dude, dude, like, like, did you all not watch Gaddafi getting right by bayonet in the fucking desert? Like, these people are only your friends and so much as they fucking need you. Like, I think that's what the in the nine in the, in the madman Don Draper meme, that's what the money was for. Like, that's what 9/11 was for. You know, it was supposed to like, shield the golf states from, you know, from this type of stuff. It was simultaneously like a gun to the head and also like, uh, you know, uh, go go after the Taliban, go chase people in Iraq, like, you know, leave us alone. Go do something else. Yeah, yeah. Uh, but I don't know. I don't know, Tom. Like I know that they've like tried, you know, they've had like very meager, um, diplomatic relationships or very, you know, uh, yeah, meek, difficult, magic relationships like Iran, but like, yeah, they seem to have not planned. Well, and I think though their thing here, and the reason why they're so pissed is that the United States did not give them a heads up whatsoever that like they would be striking Iran. I mean, the United States didn't give diplomats and Americans, um, yeah, they didn't run inside of Iran. Why the hell would they give their, you know, our partners any warning, you know, they just, you know, we're going to do that shit. I saw this thing the other day, like this tweet, I don't have it now. I can't find it, but it was like, like the whining is, it was like, you know, uh, UAE, um, purchase like 500 billion dollars worth of crypto. And this is how they're repaid, you know what I mean? Like by the United States, not telling them that the strike was coming. It's like, uh, yeah, brother, I'm gonna tell you something. Any man that buys 500 billion dollars worth of crypto deserves what's coming to them. I'm sorry. Yeah. That's just nobody told you to buy it, spend your fortune in fucking board apes. Fucking idiot. Um, but I mean, like, you know, okay. So Israel hitting this gas field, the South part is gas filled. Um, very, very escalatory. Essentially, once again, all but inshore, there will only be higher chains of escalation, right? Um, but like, you know, and something that's like, you know, I'm not quite like rested enough, don't have quite enough sleep to like fully thread the needle here. Like this war is just as much a game of like oil futures and like oil capacity resource extraction capacity and logistics as it is like, um, a numbers game of like, decapitation strikes and stuff, right? Like, this is kind of become the mechanism by which this entire thing is, um, is escalating. Is like the price of oil and like, uh, accessibility to oil and who is gonna be able to have it in the future. And like we're kind of looking at a situation where we could be like a $200 of barrel, uh, by the end of the year, which would mean, like $8 gallon gas. Dude, dog, basically, we would essentially, and California, $17. Yes. At that point, we would basically have to return to COVID lockdown conditions, because that means we would have to ration gas, uh, severely. It would mean a lot of people would have to go back to working from home, um, dude, I don't think if we can handle another situation like that. If you're talking about rationing energy, we might go straight to cannibal times brother. We might go fair, right? It's not even, it's not even energy because like, think of this gas also affects food prices. Fertilizer also affects food prices. Both of those are going to be in short supply. We will be rationing more than just gas. Right. Well, dude, and then they also too, like I heard like, like, uh, Brazil's fertilizer supplies, like shot and stuff like this. Like, you're talking about these are developing economies that we do have diplomatic relationships with to, you know, to some degree or another. And it's like, you don't even think about those little things that like, like everybody in America, it's just like the thing you were saying to parents about everybody in America just expects nothing bad. They think there's like a fucking food fairy and there's like a gas fairy. Yeah. Like a fairy for everything because they've just never had to experience a reality where like those things are precarious. Like we don't really even think about like commodity priced things here, unless it's milk or gas, you know what I mean? But we've not really thought about like our food and all this kind of stuff, like, you know, probably mostly because we subsist off red, 40 and fucking, you know, carnuba wax, but whatever. Well, I mean, similar to your question, Tom, about whether these Gulf states had really considered their relationship with the United States and Israel prior to this attack on Iran, this world of the wrong. But like those, those people who started this war also were not thinking of those same exact things that you mentioned, you know, they weren't thinking about energy prices. They weren't thinking about the food supply. I mean, if you were and if it was, that's what I'm kind of wondering. Like, was this a strategic effort, you know, to like sort of consolidate any of the resource extraction? Like was because if it was, it seemed like it would be more thought out and more surgical and ex--in its execution, you know what I mean? Instead of just bombing oil fields, you know, I don't know. I don't know. It's a good question, Aaron. Like, I--because I mean, obviously like we're--once again in round 7,000 of like trying to discern who started this war and why, like who has more agency here, Israel, the United States. It would appear that like Israel has more of a coherent vision for what it would like to see from this than the United States. And you know, I've not even like mentioned another crazy thing that happened this week, which is the resignation of that guy, was his name like Joe Kent. He was like Gabby Tulsa Tulsa Tulsa Gabby Tulsa. Oh, it's like it sounds right. But when I be like, you can't count rolls off the tongue. Yeah, I can't roll off the tongue. Sorry. I'm not the correct you because I was like, wait, what's her name? Sorry everybody. I'm not doing so hot today, but Tulsa Gabberd, her like deputy of national intelligence or whatever. I think it was like a counter counter. Counterterrorism, yeah, Zarr or whatever. Counterterrorism. Yeah. And he resigned this week over like his stated reason was because Iran posed no imminent threat to the United States. Therefore, there was no reason to strike it. But then he went on Tucker Carlson this week and said that like he did like the Zach like Dale Aroga, he was like never worth it. Keepin' everybody calm. You know they took out Kirk when he spoke out on Teyron. (laughter) He spoke out on Teyron. (laughter) That, I mean like that, that to me, that proves my thesis that like we live in an inverted 1960s where like Charlie Kirk really is like the inverse of Martin Luther King. Like they killed them for speaking out on the Imperial. (laughter) And like, time's here. Agenda. Yeah, dime square, red scare, all the like right wing influencers stuff. It's like literally like an inversion of the 60s counter-tool. Listen, yeah. Listen brother. It's like a Star Trek where they go to the mirror universe. And the federation, instead of being this peacekeeping utopian forest, they're like this dystopian, like an average like that. Yeah. Like Spock is a mustache. (laughter) Like I love Martin King, but he might have missed one on the arc of the moral universe being Stort Justice. That might have been a little too optimistic. That is true Aaron. We live in the Spock with the mustache universe. (laughter) The wasp. You know what I'm saying? (laughter) Spock. (laughter) We live long and prosper. Like, live fast and die young. (laughter) Live short and suffer. Live short and suffer. Yeah, he's the one that laughed at short nasty and British inverted Spock. (laughter) He's got like the Sam Elliott mustache. (laughter) Oh man. Oh man. Oh man. Oh man. But genuinely, like I mean, this is kicked off a whole discourse among people about like one of the funniest things I saw was like in the New York Times. Michelle Goldberg was like, "Joke Kent is half right, but he's also half wrong." It's like, it's like they can't count and see idea that Israel would have any kind of like as she writes here, "None of it is likely to stop Kins Resignation from cementing the emerging narrative on both the right and the left that Israel has dragged America into this deeply unpopular war." It's a powerful story because it's partly rooted in truth even if it taps into old Semitic troops, anti-Semitic troops that occult Jewish control. Don't care. I love how this like, at least in this one, they're starting to kind of shorn off. Like the immediate like reflexes, anti-Semitism, anti-Semitism, but they still have to get the last word in about it. Exactly. Exactly. It's like, you all realize nobody cares about that anymore. Like nobody believes you anymore. What's funny? She writes, "That's all you all." What's funny is she goes, "The more it drags on, the more I worry about a full blown American Dushstoblengenda." Who the fuck knows some German word? A modern version of the stab in the back myth that German nationalists used to blame Jews for the humiliation in World War I. Like I mean, Judaism does not have a role in a modern American life like equivalent to what it did in German life in interwar Germany. There can be no stab in the back myth. Like, I mean, I guess there could be isolated incidences of anti-Semitism and that's very serious and we should take that very seriously. But like there can be no, like there can be anything like that. Let us be clear. What she's really talking about is that she's and what the the fucking, what is it? The ADL is talking about when they're talking about these 200% rise as anti-Semitism is criticism about Israel. That's 100% of the same. That's all it is. I'm sorry. If you hear a defensive Israel and anti-Semitism applied to it, you can just instantly throw it in the trash bin. It's garbage. What's funny though, Aaron, that's a good point though. What's funny is that like you do see them kind of like trying to lurch toward this thing, her saying it's a powerful story story because it's partly rooted in truth even if it taps into old anti-Semitic trips. It's like, what do you even believe it is? Because she's just like, well, I'm not an anti-Semitism. I'm not an anti-Semitism. Yeah, she was like, look, the protocols were about 20% right. Okay? But doesn't even make any sense from a Zod's perspective. But dude, you are saying some cracks? I saw, I think something this week like Germany refused. This is now to sit like on the, man, I'm going to get this entirely wrong. But like, there's some sort of like international symbolic tribunal. You do these fucking symbolic things that like have no actual teeth and don't result in any actual accountability. But like, I guess the UN or EU or someone has been doing these like symbolic tribunals of some kind to investigate what happened in Gaza and to basically kind of like head off at the pass a case in front of the ICC or international criminal court. And like Germany, I think this week announced they were no longer going to defend Israel at that. Which is like, that is a very interesting development. Oh, 100%. If that all last or what. But it does seem that like a lot of European leaders are kind of starting to, they're being forced into the situation. They're essentially being forced into the position that like, okay, maybe Israel is completely out of their fucking minds trying to implement greater Israel plan like dog. They're as we're talking to that anymore. Yeah. They were just, I just saw a video of them trying to blow up a journalist in Lebanon. He had like literally jump out of the way to avoid getting like fucked up with shrapnel. That dude them displacing like I think thousands of people have been killed in Lebanon already. They're displacing like hundreds of thousands of people bombing fucking apartment buildings in Beirut. Yeah, kill a thousand people. Yes, the same fucking playbook as Gaza. And one, and you have to think about to a consider to that these European leaders aren't even, I don't even want to say turning against Israel. That's not even the case. But starting to, you're starting to see these cracks and I have to believe that part of their calculus is that they don't want refugees from the millions flooding their boy. That actually is true, aren't you? It's not, it's not out of this good will or out of like, oh my god, like they're committing war crimes. It's like literally, you don't have my hands. Absolutely crazy about that shit. I've talked to just like acquaintances I knew that are like from wherever, France or wherever. And they'll be like perfectly liberal, normal people until the topic is like right. Right. Like immigration comes up and then they'll use the most vile slurs that we've, that didn't even know they had those. You really can't like get a sense of it in here in America. But like once you talk to like a German or something like you realize that their phylo cynicism is literally like a mental barricade. It's like this, it's like this mental load bearing structure that allows them to be Islamic phobic and hate refugees and immigrants so much. Like I was genuinely shocked. I think I've told this story on the show before. But like a few years ago, like I met this German or Danish journalist who asked me to like basically be his stringer in Eastern Kentucky for like a few stories he was working on. And he showed up in some Vadaville makeup. Yeah. With some clogs and shifts. That seems like some Danish or Dane was at Dutch. Now Dane was Danish or German maybe. Oh, okay. Okay. But he, well, we kind of kept in touch over the years and he like he like was like a lefty and like criticized, you know, was like a critical capitalism hated JD Vance, all this stuff, right? Checked off. But then after October 7th and I was like posting more regularly about what was going on in like the West Bank and like God's and stuff. He like slitted into my DMs and was like, I had no idea you'd become such a hateful person. Like what the fuck are you talking about? Like what? Like this motherfucker read the camp of the Saints overnight. Type of shit. Type of shit. I was like, no, we have to defeat the Brown Horits. Yeah. I was like, listen, I don't know if this is just an American thing. But it's like, you know, any person that's been travailed upon by the United States, I will it wholeheartedly accept that criticism and agree with you and fight for your right to cut the head off the great Satan. I'm unequivocally with you on that. But I'll be God fucking damn for I let Western European talk down to me about anything, anything. That's what we got to give back to these goddamn Germans. We've let these goddamn Germans tipy toe out of the room. And they like, we're on the hook a lot for what these motherfuckers did. Yeah. 100%. 100 fucks. 100. Every time you talk to a fucking German, you see, it's like you're talking to like a sex criminal or something. It's like, you have to take a shower after you talk to a fucking German. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to bring back the German hatred of the 1800s American. That was a very real thing. Like I'm talking about the mainlander, the little heads, yeah, the little heads, the sex cross. Yeah, the sex. Yeah, I will never ever, ever, ever let a Germanic people moralize to me about any goddamn thing. That's the Tom Sexton guarantee. Right there with you brother, so you should afford him to me and out of telling the same thing I Got on my heart high horse and then felt really stupid afterwards It's just generally like when you try to like the thing is is you cannot convince a Zionist of Like I was talking to Gracie about this other night like in the same way that you cannot convince a psychotic person in the midst of a Psychotic episode that they're experiencing math that mass delusions like you literally can't it doesn't it literally like it Would absolve nothing, but you would also go insane because it's it literally impossible You cannot convince a Zionist that they are experiencing a mass delusion. It is mass delusion. It's completely fucking That was laid bare for me when we read that article on Monday and The writer the writer was championing championing Jerusalem syndrome as like a badge of honor like this place is so great people going to religious psychosis for The Fuck is wrong with you. I want to do something on this show that we've not done is and I kind of want to read that article again but like Not in its entirety just like a few excerpts But like before I get to that and just to say I just wanted to like just close this loop here and Basically like point out because we've been talking about like European leaders, right? Like and maybe Aaron maybe they could also just be doing the Biden playbook of being like we're very mad At Net Yahoo because he's no longer alive and he's left. He's a bad boy. He's a six feet in the ground and we let this all the back So I had a friend say say something about like I guess Net Yahoo was rumored to have prostate cancer too or something like that or Or they had heard this and They said I hope he never gets an erection again, and I was like well, I don't think you have to worry about that I think they're honest made sure I do like the I said this on Twitter, but I do like the There's a it produces a very surreal strange sort of social or reality Disjuncture when like a man is constantly appearing in public and you don't know if he's really there or not and he's Trying to assure you that he is actually alive because like at that point like by definition you are basically a ghost Yeah, if you're trying to convince people you're alive that kind of by definition you're effectively a ghost I mean at the time of AI like who are we to know you know also to even if he's alive and we're wrong and we're just experienced our own psychosis It's kind of fun just to give them like a little bit of their gaslighting back to him. No, no, he's dead But but it's possible that you these European leaders are doing the Biden playbook of Appearing to be mad with Israel, but like going along. I mean because genuinely look at everything Israel has done in the last two and a half years Three oh Jesus Christ like right like Three three and a half years two and a half ago. I guess yeah like Two and a half years now right like look at everything that's done like you would have to be Like I just don't I don't I know that like their entire ideological base is structured around You know Israel being like Not only like pure and holy and good and nothing you can do can ever be wrong But like it is also just strategically important, but like I just don't understand how like you could see them now running the Exact same playbook and Lebanon that they didn't Gaza or how they've escalated at every step of the way in Iran and Not come to the logical conclusion that these people mean to wrap the fucking world in flames like that That's all they want if you weren't gonna intervene before this Then I have to believe that one you won't do anything about it now and two that you kind of wanted this to happen consciously or otherwise You know, yeah, you allowed it to happen to actually facilitate it, you know, but actually like We should read that truth social post that Trump made last night Thompson to do me about the Israeli attacks on Iranian gasfield Genuinely like us an amazing document. Well, you know, I mean like an amazing text That will like be cited by many future The doubt of J. Trump presidential library. Yes, um, I love you imagine what that will look like now if he's First of all worth like the fuck I love the first line it is I was chuckling about this all morning Israel out of anger for what is taking place in the Middle East Has violently lashed out at a major facility known as South Pars gasfield in Iran I love out of anger for what is taking place in the Middle East Like it's some unexplainable unsolved mystery type of it. It was it was just there. It was just there like you know Sombrowness over like the the ongoing fighting that I can't take it anymore. I got a bomb this strategic place Relatively small section of the whole has been hit of the gas building The whole gas station a relatively small city is trying to sure everybody everything's fine gas prices don't need to go up There's only a little quarter only a little quarter. I mean An added contextual element to all this is that You know Jerome Powell came out yesterday like the Fed announced they weren't going to cut interest rates neither where they going to raise him Which we are in such a qualitatively different scenario now than we were just like three to six months ago that Now Trump and these people aren't really even talking about cutting interest rates anymore. Trump wanted Powell's bat gone so bad So he could cut interest rates and now no one is even talking about it now no one even gives a fuck But like you know How comes out talking about like you know inflation will be catastrophic the American economy is too weak to handle anything higher than like oil at $150 a barrel 120 dollars a barrel which is already insanely fucking high But like you know house prices are also You know spiraling upward. Yeah, this is about as high as gas prices can go without like insiding like Bricks through windows and stuff Yeah, I mean it is qualitatively Uncharted territory. There's only a handful of things that can like penetrate the Passification of the American and it is one gas process is one of them milk processes another Aged process like though the things that we actually do measuring commodity pricing those things people pay attention to Yeah, did you see that interview with that woman at a gas pump? She's apparently I'm fucking stupid I voted for him three times See those are the mega people that can be welcome back into the coalition if you publicly debate yourself as an idiot and a fraud You you can come back, but if you double down it's it's stringing up by your toes um Now they have no control on this situation Trump and them they have no fucking clue how bad they've stepped in it like we're we're fully through The looking glass like they are pot committed now. They don't even know how fuck they are you know what I'm saying? But thank you. It's it's it's it's it's just it's it's a combination of being stupid and also being Just cruel as fuck because they want people to suffer well you know earlier when I was talking about every American thinks There's a you know a milk fairy and a gas fairy and all that kind of stuff They these guys think there's like a America fairy that just like make sure That like the everything's humming along fine. Yeah, sometimes there's hiccups and all this kind of stuff But they've never like really there's Americans haven't had to deal with like an engineered collapse collapse and we've had like Depressions and we've had recessions like 2008 great, you know the great recession all that kind of stuff If something doesn't change and drastically quick and it might not even be There might be nothing you can do about at this point. It may just be no control it. No 2008's gonna look like fucking Sunday morning service, you know now they that mortgage The housing market is like reached another kind of critical point US homes new home sales collapse by most in 13 years But I think I saw something that said like the search phrase on Google um Help can't sell my home was like the most searched for I don't know phrase in like the month of January or February something like that like It's frozen everybody is locked out like everything is kind of just like Crick me if I'm wrong, but I don't know I for like 10 years at least since we started the show Have been operating on the assumption that something sometime was gonna happen like some big Terminal crisis event was going to happen, you know to mean like that whether it's a world war whether it's a complete economic collapse or a nuclear Armageddon something was gonna happen And now it's like we're fully through that like membrane. We're fully through the event horizon Um, dude, the thing about it is think about the terms. Like Iran was willing to give up more than they even had a right or should have. Just to keep the peace and they could have kept the money training bird and they could have even probably poached a third election. And people were that passed by, they would just be resigned to it. Okay. They could have done that and instead, aggressive somebody that was getting, like imagine you're in the negotiation table and the person's like, you know, fuck it to keep the peace. We're not even that pressed about it. Here's everything you want, whatever. We'll even give our, our, you're enriched, you're writing to whoever the fuck you want to give, who else to give it to. And didn't you just say, now we're just going to like bomb you anyway. And then they just, it's kind of the perfect trap really. I mean, you got a plot. No, no, I was just thinking about two men, like how, you know, at some point in the future, if we have, I mean, there will be a future. Well, we be in it is the question, right? But like, I got to think about like, well, we have new adaptations to just, we have fraud, gills, for example. We got some water world shit. Web, web, two stomachs like a cow, so we can digest like, you know, GMO chemicals, grasses and, yeah, plastics. Yeah, we'll get together in 30 years and we'll all look like some fucking something like shape of water. The squid billies are some shit like that. Hands are up. But like, I was just thinking like, you know, you know, we can look back at certain historical boobits, like, you know, I guess World War II, and you can point to many different reasons, World War I rather, I guess you can point to many different reasons why it happened, not just the assassination of the, you know, the France Ferdinand, right? But like, this feels like a moment that people could look at and they'll be like, this is a unique historical boobit where Trump's hubris and stupidity was the fulcrum upon which history turned. Yeah. There are a lot of reasons and things that allowed him to, you know, to, to, you know, to become president, sure, and all these pressures and whatnot. But it's really just one guy stupidity of you, Chris. Well, we live in Terence's set, we live in his imagination and, and you know, whether metaphysically or not, like literally the effect is the same. I mean, but like in this lead up to war, like, something that has really been astonishing to me is the role played by Jared Kushner and Steve Whitkopf, who are the diplomatic negotiators with Iran, who like, I don't know if you'll see these stories that have come out about these negotiations now. But like the, uh, Whitkopf and Kushner had no idea, like they had no translation for like the technical terms that Iran was using. They specifically rejected using a translator for that portion of the program. They had no frame of reference for like understanding Iran's nuclear program. And by the way, Steve Whitkopf's best friend is Miriam Adelson and like he has in his office, he carries with him a custom pager gifted to him by like Netanyahu and see your massage officials, like in reference to that pager attack, which the Israelis think is so epic and cool. This guy like they wanted war, right? Like they wanted war from the very fucking beginning. So like everything that's come out afterwards from like a nominee, I think you referenced it, Tom and Omani official, like we said, like, Iran was prepared to give them an even more conciliatory deal that they, then they gave Obama and and Trump and Israel, the ones that like chose war. And now the entire global economy is collapsing. Like I'm serious. Like I don't we've joked about rationing podcasts, but like if Brett, if food and oil are the first to be rationed podcasts will be, you know, we don't win no brother. I just have to know was Jared Kushner in a rod with Ed Bog and went from Bob to without warning. Not have been pretty funny. We caught Whitkopf and question. What's your head Jared? Whitkopf and Kushner is like the Lewis and Clark of bitch assness. It's like they've conquered here two, four unseen territory of pussy ass bitchness. I wanted to say I might have told this on Monday, but I saw something that cracked me up. It was like this like video like Chris Christie went on a podcast and was talking about when Trump brought him into the administration and they were like interviewing candidates and all this stuff and they had him picked out for whatever the fuck he was for like eight seconds when Trump's like, let me call you a fatty on Twitter like five times and you can be like an undersecretary of something or whatever back in whatever that was. Trump won. And Chris Christie tells a funny ass story about how it just speaks to how deluded these people are and how like Israel must be vanquished okay with using extreme prejudice. He comes in that meeting between Trump and Christie and and starts telling Trump no his fat ass can't be in here because he he prosecuted my father, you know Charles Kushner who was a finance criminal. And when Trump was asking him about the finer details of it, Kushner with a straight face said that his father should have been tried for finance crimes under rabbinic law. Do you imagine that? Can you imagine like it's like some sovereign citizen shit. It's like actually your honor like you are not my judge and jury that is only a the same chose panel of rabbis from Israel okay. You're not the beginning and end of me and it's like but you defrauded people in the state of New Jersey. Doesn't matter. Does it? My only judge is Yahweh. It's just mad delusion dude. It's just to finish Trump's thing here and then I'll move on to Zionism for everyone. Because like there's a few things I wanted to say about that essay like I was not prepared for how fucking stupid it was when we tried to read it on the show on Monday on the Patreon. But like to finish Trump's post here real quick. A relatively small section of the hole has been hit. The United States knew nothing about this particular tech and the country of Qatar was in no way shape or form involved with it. Nor did it have any idea it was going to happen. Unfortunately Iran did not know this or any of the pertinent facts pertaining to the South Pars attack. An unjustifiably and unfairly attacked a portion of Qatar's LNG gas facility. No more attacks will be made by Israel all caps pertaining to this extremely important valuable South Pars field unless Iran unwisely decides to attack a very innocent in this case. In which instance the United States of America with or without the help or consent of Israel will massively blow up the entirety of the South Pars gas field at an amount of strength and power that Iran has never seen or witnessed before. I do not want to authorize this level of violence and destruction because of the long term implications that it will have on the future of Iran. But if Qatar's LNG is attacked again I will not hesitate to do so. Thank you for your attention this matter. So wait I'm confused my life. So he said no more attacks. Israel must commit no more attacks. But if Iran continues attacks then we will bomb it back into the stomach. I'm confused. Okay. It's well it's just it's it's it's it's it's it's the entire thing from the beginning of this which is that we're we've won the war and we're winning it and we're doing better than we've ever done but we've also won it and we're not going to hit any gas fields but we will if Israel does something stupid but we love Israel but Israel didn't make us do this. But Israel did make us do this. Here's the thing just do what Americans have been doing for time in memorial. Just claim victory and pull out. That's what we've been doing. We ain't want to go them wars. Well dude there's no money in winning wars. We don't know. We wouldn't know what the reason they can't now. The reason they cannot just pull out at this point is because the global oil and liquid natural gas market is so profoundly fucked that pulling out now would change nothing about it. It's fucked for at least the next year for at least the next. Yeah they say they said at least until mid 27 is there the like the soonest it could like rebound. So like that whole situation is fucked and my punch is that continuing to be over there is not going to you know. No. Do anything to help that timeline. But the reason why dude the reason why it now cannot back down and deescalate is because that would require a few things from the Americans which they do not have the ability to do. One of which is to renegotiate several things with the Gulf States and there is a lot of bad blood with the Gulf States now and that would require a diplomatic effort the likes of which this country is probably not fucking seem to work. You don't need to team for that. No. They've got the team for that. They see Jared over there. Jared ain't coming back. You can't yeah you can't send Jared cushion. Don't get the Jamal Kishoggi special for sure. Oh yeah Jared will get the bone saw. No question about it. Number two they give him the Colombian necktie right, taking up an helicopter and fucking number two that would require them to restart renegotiating with the run, which they cannot do now. Precise. nicely because they have hit so much of their critical infrastructure and killed so many of their pragmatic leaders that only the hardliners are basically running things now so they can't really painted themselves into a corner number three they cannot fucking uh. negotiate with europe now because that would mean they would have to touch the ukraine russia situation which has now become such a fucking powder keg like like a hot but an issue for them because they've lifted sanctions on russian oil dog they are so far fucking down the looking glass they're so far in the real rate uh. you know maze of of of mirrors that they have talked about unsanctioning iranian oil on the fucking oceans unsanctioning around in oil who i can imagine that like a way to work with the ron like the iranians are going to overlook the carpet bombing last time we spent you know these yanks are all right there like the now they want the sanctions that's up on the third point they can't they can't re-open all this stuff with europe because they've antagonized europe so deeply over ukraine and greenland and every other mother fucking thing that they've basically torched all their relationships there and swiely trump last week was like nato better show up for us they better fucking do something that's all they have left is just bluster and bullying and it's fucking very thin these days it just doesn't british friend great we've got no mates you've got no mates it's just i i don't know like they couldn't deescalate at this point because there is there is no way to do it um. yes they could just pull back everything bring it all back home but that would mean that they would then have to start the diplomatic process and i genuinely think they fear that more than they do sending boots on the ground it takes stupid fucking island we're more we're more worse with boots on the ground diplomacy because our words good for shit you know what i mean they don't have they don't have the dexterity or the flexibility to know for diplomacy it's just easier to just carpet bomb to ron you know i'm reading this as we're reading this director ronnie and hit missile hits israel's hypha oil refinery net nyahu will hold a press conference here in a few hours reporter as trump why didn't you inform allies before attacking a run trump we wanted surprise who knows better about surprise than japan why didn't you tell me about poor harbour uh. skype isn't today in the coming days we may un-sensitio near ronnie and oil that's on the water it's about a hundred forty million barrels so depending how you count it it's ten days two weeks of supply they're talking about like you know can we just go back to the surprise they do i just love that because like it's like it's just like letting your goal partners know that you're about to launch an offensive it's not the gays and of the surprise attack you know that that is true that is true like you get you know what yes you don't want to let the enemy know short but you have to let your fucking allies uh. do you he he saying today he's saying today i'm not putting troops anywhere he just said that because he's holding as we are recording this he's holding this press conference with like bjapanes official uh. skype isn't says we are seeing the defections at all levels as they're starting to sense what's going on with the regime doesn't get reported here in the u_s_ the regime will probably collapse within itself talking about a run these people are talking out of their fucking ass i genuinely think we will see boots on the ground i don't see this ending any other way because like they have already set into motion i think about that fog of war documentary you know what i mean like we're a make a merit documentary yeah we're a make a merit yeah mac than there's talking about uh. christian sending kennedy during the cuban missile crisis to mimos one of which was like a hard liner message the second mimo was has that bad like that hard fucking quote where he's like i've seen the effects of war in the ukraine like i fucking i was there for like the siege in like nazi's rolling over the fucking step in all this like he's like you and i are both ends of a rope the likes of which if we untie the not the world has never seen like they they don't realize trump people that they are pulling their on the rope they cannot now imagine and take one of those guys out of there but you add sixteen clowns that rolled up in a car together and gave them one of those ends that that it's just it's all fucking it is it is pure fucking acceleration now boys it's like there's nothing left i'm reading here in a major win for big banks the trump administration is pushing to loosen the capital restrictions put in place after the two thousand eight financial crisis it's like we it is that is that's rich got logic that's rich got logic oh here's what what here's what will give this economy a shot in the arm we just give more money to the most craven assholes on the planet uh. that's what'll happen because they're uh. there you can share she many times but i mean i think i think that's part of the reason why to we i don't want to say we won't see it into this but we'll only see escalation like from here on out i think it's because these guys are still making money out of the way you know uh. there's no go there's no goal for this war when you can raid the coffers in the meantime you know yeah well that's that the thing is in modern warfare there was a very brief period i think where you could say that like wars were one sort of on two metrics like how many of their guys you killed and how much land or assets or resources of theirs you took it used to be a very political politically thorny thing if a bunch of your guys got killed now we kind of live in a world where everything is so cynical like i think you said it best earlier one of you said it best earlier i think it was you and like it doesn't really matter now like they are leaders don't care how many americans get killed like they did just don't give a fuck like they could get like you could kill like three million of them in a fucking day like that's why iran would never target uh. american cities or anything i think you said you were saying this time like they would never target american cities because like are they know that that wouldn't even matter because american so we'll just eat it way the american public is so fucking house broken they probably would eat it if the chicago got new but be they know that our leaders wouldn't give a fuck anyways the leaders allow children like sandy hook you've all day right sandy hook was the one thing the thing that happened where i was like oh no amount of bloodshed in american soil done to not even just american citizens i'm talking about children dog no amount of no amount of bloodshed you know against americans will will stop these people you know i mean yeah or will make them give it give them any pauses at all they don't give a fuck dude they don't give a fuck i mean care and um. you know and and so that that like raises some important interesting questions of like how do you win a war then like what is the new metric for winning wars is it like how much of an enemy's infrastructure you can destroy like that kind of is looking i got a pete there i don't even think i don't even think we want to win wars i think what we want is just extended entanglements that we can because we win wars by saying we win wars but nobody wins wars we kill a bunch of kids we kill like it's we do crimes against humanity and then after these big long fucking engagements you know a handful of dickheads made a bundle of cash and like there's more money in losing wars than there is in winning 100% yeah in unrate like the decapitation strategy like seems like financial pragmatism was even fucked up we're talking about it in those terms because we're talking about like targeted assassinations and stuff but they talk about it like it sound business decision but all that does is inflame shit and and make us more prone to this kind of shit dude and it's so insane it's it's it's insane from like are obviously from our reputational standpoint and what economic life is like for us here but also just it's say tannic it is say tannic man and you have like otherwise people that other claim to be otherwise moral people talking about this like it's just like the course of things right you know they've always done that over there no the fuck that that there's nothing that sets me off like that shit like there's always nothing over there you know that is something Tom that's like very I don't know it's kind of like blowed my mind and I was hinting at it earlier but just the kind of like cynicism and nihilism of in it of a a global governing structure that like could really give a fuck less that Israel is doing this you know what I mean like genuinely like I'm not just Israel the United States like the Israel and the United States are embarking on a like world tour of just death and destruction and length left and genocide and like every day ptexeth comes out and says death and destruction from above you know what I mean like we're right training down death and destruction. That we have become so sort of numb or inert to the routine violations of international crime or international law that we were just fine with targeting critical energy infrastructure, hospitals, children, and leaders of state. Like that to me is like that. But these were all things that were considered war crimes and red lines. And now we have all just kind of like walked into this situation where it's like, not only are we entering a global conflict, world war, but we're entering a world war with zero breaks and zero checks on how it can be conducted and who can do what? - You know what I'll say, too, dude? You would see, and I'm not saying that the United States or the West is above killing civilians, obviously, right? But you saw at least, after October 7th, the automatic, reflexive defense that Israel would never bomb hospitals, Israel would never bomb schools, right? - Yeah. - And the more that it became, I mean, not apparent to us, 'cause we already knew that shit, right? But the more it became undeniable, right? - Yeah. - That Israel was targeting civilians, right? It's almost like those excuses, those preemptive excuses went out to the window entirely, you know? So it's almost as if like, and I'm not saying the United States is dead. - It's a silence. It's literally, it's a global deadening silence where they just don't even acknowledge it at all. They don't say anything. - They don't have, 'cause they don't have to, because Israel already, not Israel, didn't get the playbook from us, but Israel already ran a playbook of targeting civilians, targeting journalists and their families, targeting Palestinian leaders, you know what I'm saying? I mean, an even artist, I mean, all of this shit and creatives, all of this shit, dude, is like, now we're just, you know, we're in partnership with Israel, we're just doing it in hand and hand and everybody thinks it's fucking normal, you know? 'Cause the past two and a half years, we've seen this shit play out. - Yeah. It is a sort of hardening, we have mentioned this multiple times in our show, but it's kind of like hardening and retrenchment of political horizons. And that is something that, like I've been thinking about, like since we tried to read that essay on Monday, and if I could just like kind of give you a quick summary of it, 'cause we're not gonna be able to read the whole thing, 'cause it is extraordinarily long and like all fascist propaganda completely unreadable. It's like literally illogical. It is, as Tom said on Monday's episode, like they can't even make sense anymore, like they don't even know how to talk about it anymore, like they are so delusional. Like they're so fucking just in, in psych, full like bloodless psychosis that they can't even understand what they're trying to say anymore. But it is obvious like reading to me, like I think what they're trying to say. I think this has a lot of relevance for like the modern global political situation and especially the American political situation. But like if you listen to the show on Monday, you'll know that she starts, this is the essay is Zionism for everyone in Tablet Mag. And she starts talking about like, just these very vague things, like oh the world's crazy, A.I. is becoming a thing and you know, there's a lot of wars going on right now. - Crazy. - And isn't it crazy? - I'm placing big gays and Israel is weird. - Anyone. (laughing) - She says, she's like literally in the midst of all this craziness in the world right now. Future historians will really have to figure out why of all things people wanted to talk about. Dot, dot, dot, Zionism. Like I just don't understand it. And then proceeds to like try to make the case for why we should be talking about Zionism right now, even though they don't want us to be talking about Zionism right now, it's completely in coherent and illogical. Does that make sense? - No, I mean, I think the fact that you wrote this article proves the fact that Zionism is a very important political, it does this the whole time. - The whole time, extreme highs, extreme lows. It's a very like in my opinion, it's very, it is a very endemic trait of a lot of Zionist propaganda to do this very weasley, millymouth thing where like, oh, we're just little guys. Like why is anyone picking on us? And by the way, we offer the most glorious vision for human flourishing. But why is anyone wanna talk about us? - We're a little birthday boys with glasses, but. - Yeah. (laughing) - It's fucking very, it's very creepy. - It's creepy, yeah. - I guess, well I mean, if you were to just outright say what your Omnissado project was, then that would be an incredible turn off to majority of people. - Well, I just wanna read a few like Ed Sertz from it, that we didn't get to on Monday, but just to like recap, she talks about like, she opens it up with, yeah, like I was saying, the world's crazy, the world's on fire. Everybody, it's like Billy Joel song, like, you know, JFK and MLK and bubble, but she's like. - Put the Oasis of sanity is real. (laughing) - I like how you're a narrator and that is Barack Obama. (laughing) And then she talks about like, the concept of an ethnos and her idea of historical change that all technological innovations spur on changes in sociological arrangements and how we organize society. - You can't be talking about that, white lady. You can't be talking about that. (laughing) - Her name is Alana Newhouse, I don't know anything about her, but she is an American, but maybe also once the design is, or who knows. But you know, it talks about like, the concept of like technological change, again, this is her conception of history, technological change breeds changes in social arrangements. And this is how we arrived at the concept of tribes and ethnos and then goes on to talk about how like, why does no one ever get pissed at Japan for being an ethnos day? And like brings up all these, like, you know, 'cause Zionists love to do this, they bring these counterfeits. - You had a war, you know what, (laughing) - Yeah, whatever, bro. - But, so like just, you know, that's the part we read. We quickly had to speed to the end because we were getting, it was like we were doing too many whippets and we couldn't even think any more. - Why doesn't Japan, I'm just really stuck with it. Why doesn't Japan get called out as an ethnos day, don't I? (laughing) - I mean, setting aside the Japan issue, it'll come back up. - Well, Japan was doing some Israel like shit when they put the fucking smallpox on the feathers and threw them in Korean people's homes and shit. Like, I'm sympathetic to the argument, but not in the direction that they're going with it. It's like, yeah, because, - Do you see, they're just as violent, they just have just a violent history as we do. (laughing) - Her, it is completely garbled and nonsensical because Japan now has a past misconstitution that it basically not allowed to have a military. But then that didn't Trump lift that and maybe they were like, we gotta bring China to heal. (laughing) - Maybe that was the joke or something. - There is a lot of fascist elements in Japan. And, but, you know, setting aside what I think are some major differences, there are, you're right, Tom, I'm a little sympathetic to the idea, but like, her ultimate argument is that that's good and that we should embrace nationalism. And her specific version of nationalism that we should embrace is Zionism. And here's the case, here's how she's gonna make the case. It is hard to imagine, it is hard to process the human effort, time, blood, creativity, capital of all kinds that went into developing the identity of Western nations. Everyone was its own collective work of aesthetics and human engineering as impressive, as any physical structure built by the great empires of the past. - What the fuck are you talking about? What the fuck is that? - As aesthetics. - You're into an art critic for a minute. What are you talking about? - Dude, she wears many hats in this piece. I'll tell you that. - Yeah, she's basically like, nations are when you get vibes and put them together. - It's when you put all the different colored crayolas in the box. - Then you have your own food. - Now, in 2026, they are experiencing massive and in some cases crippling identity crises, as though they'd all been struck by some force of nature, like an ice age or the impact of a comet. She loves it, it's like a little flourishing. Like, she really thought she went off with this one and it'll become more clear. - You remember when her boss attacked Israel, in October 7th, it was like the asteroid hit the dinosaur. (laughing) - A new eight pot was there. - In fact, it was more like a social contagion. Man made unstoppable and maddening to witness if you understood what you were looking at. It began 80 years ago in the wake of the Holocaust. She's talking about the identity crisis of the West. As the rebuilding efforts began, alongside them came an ideological and philosophical reckoning, explains the Swedish writer, Anika Herneroth Rothstein, who succinctly laid out the narrative in a recent essay. This is the excerpt from that essay. Europe decided that the villain was ideology itself. [BLANK_AUDIO] Biology built on a religious belief and defined identity led to the formation of nation states borders and divisions between places People's and beliefs. This is the thing that she keeps doing in his day. I say that is not why we have nation states We don't have nation states because someone was like that's a good idea Yeah, it was it was it was literally a result of political economic developments the merchant class asserting itself Which would eventually you know result in the motive for production known as capitalism But we don't have nation states because we were like that's a cool idea man like let's do it I'm a nation called friends. That's a good idea. Let's do it Exactly like wouldn't it be cool if we had a nation called Italy? Yeah, let's go do it It's just this not a computer idea mom me and what a good idea Um, and so award-damaged continent having just come out of a global conflict over borders and identity decided to do away with borders and identity altogether Assuming this would be the road to lasting peace spoiler alert. It wasn't oh no She didn't this with spoiler alert Instead of inoculating Europe against further strife the post-nationalist ideology that developed as a response to World War 2 would end up Distabilizing Europe and the whole west arguably in more lasting ways um She fucking talks about like how uh with the heavy-handed encouragement of the Soviet Union the infected global community began treating all western Nationalisms and especially American nationalism as criminal whereas the nationalisms of post-colonial states were virtuous I mean when you have The west like the United States with the implement with the CIA overthrowing democratically elected leaders You know what I mean? In like Latin America dog, you know fucking around in Africa and shit like that I mean, I think you could say which movement is more virtuous. Like the people fighting for the shackles of colonialism or the people trying to keep them shackled. I don't I don't understand I like What she's insinuating here is that like this is all parrots of a nefarious like communist plot to convince the masses of the world that certain nationalisms are bad and certain Nationalisms are good and woke and and this falls into her schematic of like why is Israel targeted unfairly But Japan isn't even though Japan is you know We do talk about how fucked up Japan is, but that's neither here nor there in her schematic It it must be necessary for her to understand the world that this was a communist plot Does that sound familiar to anybody that maybe bringing of Nazi propaganda? These are logical rules became codified in the supposedly moral divide between oppressors to whom everything was forbidden and oppressed to whom everything was to be permitted Oh no, that's fucking terrible And why is she also echoing Alistair Crowley there that's kind of a creepy thing Did he say that it's like what's the quote he has like something about everything's permitted I forget I had to look it up. It's She's like would you like to live deliciously? Yeah, that's yeah Um an ideology that is infected international organizations including the UN Yeah, yeah, the UN was infected by Soviet The what the fuck are you talking about? It sounds like it sounds like this person is talking about let me tell you all something now There's a guy I forget what his name is David Something David Barton He's like one of he's like one of these like Christian nationalists. He's like A guy that used to appear on like Kenneth Copeland show and like all the TV preacher shows and like would just do this like we're Right these weird revisionist history books that like Word like closer to like killing Lincoln then You know like any actual historical thing and I feel like the Zionists have like Just been like OD on that kind of shit. Yeah, well, like they really have their own conception of history in the world That is totally foreign everybody else, but they're just kind of not aware of it You know, I mean they just they don't know that what they have been fed is like not In any way a consensus, you know, this is why I yeah, this is why I describe it as a mass delusion It's like it's it rests on a historicalism or Was the word a historicism that it just it's it's it's a fantasy it doesn't Correspond to anything in reality like I guess like you have the nations right We did something called the Soviet Union did exist ones, but other than that. It's like Narnia Like what the fuck also it's extremely rich for her to be talking about like the Soviet Union like nefariously working behind the scenes to like undermine The Western nationalisms when as one of you pointed out this yeah, yeah, it was doing that and is still doing that till this day But Israel itself is fucking doing that in America like did you guys see this? Did you guys see this you guys see this thing about these races in Chicago and how much money Apex spent on these races in Chicago, but they can't do it under the name Apex anymore because Apex is so toxic and no one wants to fucking be associated with it. So now they've created these like shadow groups called like people for democracy and Chicago partner progressive partnership That like our masks mask organization is a front organizations for Apex It's Yeah, they've got like they've got like a I'm That say this is a matter of fact, but like they also have like sort of a Social media strategy arm called the six points that goes around paying influencers like a thousand dollars for a post Just to not even sometimes explicit sometimes just to muddy the waters and be like pro-era and war and stuff like that You know like I've no friends that have told me they've been approached by Those lobbies and offered money to just like put out videos that just you know Have the air of like you know like this thing's good in Iran or whatever if if they're um Spending money and operating behind the scenes to like muddy the waters and stuff like that Kind of makes you think they might also be paying people and training people to do false flags that give people the notion You know what I mean like include but not limited to some of our national bogeyman like you know ISIS and al-Qaeda well Yeah, well obviously that but also just like this idea that anti-Semitism is just like fucking a massive social problem That's gonna like wind up in as Michelle Goldberg said a stab in the back myth Which is like wake the fuck up. We don't live in that fucking world. If Israel went away tomorrow What do you think would happen to Jews worldwide? Nothing nothing nothing nothing In fact in fact it would probably be a net it would probably be a boon to just be great For them Is it big though? Is that like you could say that any ideology Maybe takes not any but many ideologies can take liberties with history, you know Bended and manipulated to their will but You can see that like I don't know this mytholization of Israel is very similar to the same mythology We have about America where it all is a historical and bence to justify a settler Colonial state, right? I mean this is exactly why again. I have to bring up this commercial This is why you have this commercial equating anti-black racism anti-Semitism to anti-black racism That we saw during the Super Bowl. That's just so salty like in the United States We're talking about that's fucking in the same comparison to bring up dog. I'm sorry, you know Listen, I understand like you know There was real problems at a certain point in American history with like you know Jewish people not me know getting certain schools or living certain neighborhoods and like that's real You don't want to race any of that stuff, but like There's still neighborhoods in Eastern Kentucky where black people came by house Tonight, you know, I mean like it's just like to say that and then to like just to compare like People being mad about Israel to like, you know people Like dealing with the legacy of like slavery is like it's absurd It's just absurd in every way and like oh This justify the existence of a settler colonial pedophile state. Oh To me what's so frustrating about all this is like it doesn't have to be Zero some Like I don't understand what so fuck this is the thing we everyone is 12 now and no one can talk about this like adults I don't think it should have to be difficult to say that like anti-Semitism was one of the bedrock and ideologies of the Christian West That affected its development in terms of political economy and and racial ideology and all this stuff And resulted in a horrific Historical event known as the Holocaust but That is not the same thing as saying um, you know I think we should be able to acknowledge that and then I think we should also in the same breath be able to acknowledge that like The criticizing the state of Israel does not traffic and any of that same tradition of anti-Semitism that resulted in the Holocaust Granted There are plenty of cynical people who do one to do that like Tucker Carlson or whatever. I don't fucking trust any of those people to do that Um, well in fact in fact too that when the joke can't thing happen we were talking about earlier That was my first thought. I was like is this guy just jumping off the Trump wagon the sort of hitches wagon to Tucker Carlson sort of nascent Political sort of movement that you can clearly see playing this day that he's cooking up When it's possible, but the thing is it's like I don't even really I don't know maybe this is Controversal to say but like let's game that out What if Tucker Carlson is the next Adolf Hitler? Like, okay. So are we going to, do you really think that within Tucker Carlson's lifetimes, we will start doing like death camps again in like the United States and like, raising the specter of world jury. Like, maybe is this an anti-submitting Trump to say Besidewood Kappas asked before any of that started? - You know what I'm saying? - Well, he's probably, he's probably, yeah, I said him so. I guess that's, yeah, maybe that's where I'm going with this. But I don't, I don't fucking know man. Like, let's say Israel does collapse under the weight of its own contradictions. Tucker Carlson and the anti-submitting right does rise to a position of power and prominence. I think that the tenants of anti-designism are so deeply held within the American left that I would assume that we would, I don't know, I don't know if like, I don't know, dude, I don't know, I don't know what I'm trying to say, but I don't know if like this is a real left. - They've read through that shit. - Yeah, I don't know if the German left was inoculated as well inoculated against anti-submitsism as our American left is now. Like, we're pretty well inoculated against it. - No, that makes sense, that makes sense, yeah. - So I don't know, and I think the American public is also pretty well inoculated against it. Like, I do genuinely think that like, a lot of Normie Americans think the Holocaust was terrible, think anti-symmentism is terrible, and think Israel is terrible. I think those are all like ideas that the Normie American holds and that you should be able to hold in your head with that like completely like melting down, you know what I'm saying? - Right, right. - I don't know, maybe I'm crazy though, like, - No, no, I think the only people that have a describe the median opinion. - I think the only people that have a hard time with that are the ones who are also justifying Israel's actions, right? While trying to like, you know, call out label everything as anti-submitted. The only people have a problem with that are those people, right? - Yeah. - 'Cause otherwise they would be unmasking their hominocidal, you know. - Project. - Yeah. - Right. - Well, let me continue reading here. After the end of the Cold War, the anti-nationalist ideology got another powerful boost from the opposite direction. The forces of global capitalism and emerging new technologies that sought to eliminate national differences in order to optimize their own operations. - I knew she was gonna get the globalism, let's go. (laughing) - Let's go. - All cultures and religions had to be considered functionally the same because they were seen that way by technologies that were designed by universal activists. - All cultures and religions. (laughing) - What's this, what's this we shit? - All cultures and religions, okay. - Well, she's getting at an anti-capitalist critique here, but again, it rings pretty hollow when the American national security state and Israel national security are highly dependent on these technologies to say the least. - The primary beneficiaries. - I mean, I guess she's saying that like we have an existential and spiritual crisis because of the rise of social media, AI, the internet, all this stuff, which is like, yeah, everyone knows that. You're not making a fucking profound point. This isn't Joe Rogan, you know what I'm saying? - But should she be happy that because if this technology is like, I don't know, like making us more cohesive I guess or racing differences I guess is sort of where she's getting at. - Yes, she's getting, she's saying that like this resulted in a new multicultural world where nationalisms were even for, because the Soviet Union had fucking like orchestrated this situation where like some nationalisms were good but somewhat bad, but then technology came and like dissolved all of it. - Hey, man, it's all said cool by y'all, but what did she be happy about that? Technologies are a bit used to surveil certain populations and alienate people leaving more. I mean, obviously she's not thinking about this. - They're fucking, they are completely, they don't, they're oblivious to that. - They're out to lunch, yeah. - They're out to lunch. - A new boundary, boundaryless world was said to be drawing, what is that word? - Was said to be donning by who, was that mean where distinctions would be erased and goods and people would move around the world at will making markets and ideas and we're powerful. - Huh. - I wonder what did that, you think it was just the internet? You fucking moron. (laughing) - Yo, I love, bro. I know this might be, I know this might be like an aw, might be unrelated, but I remember like years ago when in time magazine I looked at the speculative, I read the speculative essay talking about what people would look like 1000 years from now. Like no, a mill years from now. And we were all all of skinned, right? And I just thought it was really kind of funny and like maybe juvenile, I don't know about the scientific accuracy of that, but this is literally like the nightmare that these conservatives have is that we'll become one bell did like like, I'm a racial species. (laughing) - Well, I'll become Italian. - Living on panjee or some shit like that, you know what I'm saying? - Well, I love this, like her insinuating though, with greater circulation of capital, capital would come greater rewards. Like, like just describing markets, dog like that that exists for a while, like I, politicians throughout the 20,000 words on this. - Dude, it's insane dude. Politicians throughout the West from both the left and the right began to see themselves as members of a larger transnational global community that had moved beyond the crude realities of national identity to larger questions. Like the composition of a global model culture shaped by free markets and international law with special carve outs to help the quote, "appressed, catch up and join the global system." - Well, it's just like, what's so fucking fascinating to me about that is like, have you never heard of the fucking IMF for the World Bank? - Right. - A structural adjustment, is that phrase and never crossed your desk? You not understand how the fucking global economic system works, you fucking moron. Like there were no special like statuses afforded to quote, "appressed nations." The only special status afforded to them was that, like they got fucking harder like debt, you know, demands, obligations, but on their fucking. - They had to cut social services, welfare social welfare services and shit like that so they could get loans. - It's so high, IMF and the World Bank, bro, what are you talking about? - There, it's so, it's so crazy. Again, it's like that fairy thinking that everything just runs by this invisible hand and what it is is they've devalued labor so much that they've instead of seeing, you know, the workers of the world as who were actually the invisible hand, they've run everything. They've like taken that away from those people because if they acknowledge that and the whole thing falls apart, so they just say there's something metaphysical about American Israel that keeps us blessed. And it's not, it's the exploitation of the work in class. The work in class is the real sitting hand. - It is true, Tom. It is a extremely idealist vision of the world, non-material, very similar to like the Nazi vision of the world, but like, you know, they called, they used to call anti-symmetism the socialism of fools and it still is, but Zionism is also, like you see it, she's critiquing capitalism in a way, but like. - Zionism fascism of fools. (laughing) - I mean, it got it, it's like. - It's like. - Yeah. - It's like, you see them critiquing capitalism in a way, right? But you're like, you're right, Tom, like they can't understand where profit comes from, where value and surplus comes from because like that would explode their entire schematic. Like it has to be coming from these either metaphysical sources or these hidden conspiratorial communist sources or. - It's kinda, it's kinda, it comes out of the same place. It's like if communism is sprung out of work in class Judaism, Zionism sprung out of bourgeois Judaism and like as a response to. - That's true, yeah. - That is very true, yeah. - Western countries push towards seeing themselves in strictly legalistic terms, embracing national identities and covered by as little baggage as possible. The less binding your identity was, the more open you could be to people, ideas, and goods from the rest of the world. Great Britain adopted a version of this ideal under former Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his Tory predecessors, as did the US under its open borders policy under President Trump. - Wait, I'm sorry, Joe Biden, under President Joe Biden. - Didn't Boris Johnson oversee Brexit? So wouldn't that just fly in the face of what she's saying? - The point. - Because she's saying that he's been more amenable to this kind of like transnationalism I guess? - That's a good point. I understand like because she's basically saying that Boris Johnson and Joe Biden were like very similar. (laughing) - No Brexit should happen if I'm not mistaken, it happened under Boris Johnson. - I thought so too. - This whole isolationist show- - Joe Biden fucked a pig to get into fraternity term. - Or was that David Cameron? - That was David Cameron. - It's not a black mirror episode, okay. - Now it was based on a real thing. (laughing) Better well, yeah, it was a black mirror episode. - France adopted a similar, if less openly enthusiastic policy toward the inhabitants of its former colonial possessions in Africa, talking about Germany, blah, blah. - Country by country elites would then be shocked to discover how unpopular these bipartisan supported universally policies were talking about open borders. As it turned out, most citizens of Western countries did not want to inhabit a post local post historical world. Britons were furious to find Pakistani Muslim rape gangs have been molesting their children under the de facto protection of the law. - Only we get to do that to them. They don't get to do that. (laughing) - Come back and do it to us. - If there's any rape and they'll be done We're on here back out. We're going to be the ones to. Any raping epilogue? That's the British way. -Sweets were a gas to find large areas of their major cities that become no-go zones ruled by foreign gangs. Leftists in their newfound islamist and third world is allies struggle to explain why, say, French nationalism was inherently wrong, but Palestinian nationalism was right, or why it was better for goods to be made in China by state factories using slave labor than to enact tariffs on foreign goods. Americans, I like catching things like, "Fucking getting leftists in the city." -Is this so clever, dog? -Yeah. -Free Palestine. What about free Britain? Like, what are you talking about? -I don't think I know a single leftist who is good with goods being made in China by slave labor. -I don't know. -There's a leftist-- -I've not left this one yet. As a leftist sneaker head, I'm not OK with that. -Personally, I'm not OK with that. -In fact, I do support tariffs in some situations. I think Trump's liberation-based thing was completely fucking moronic, but tariffs aren't, actually, amannically bad. But why French nationalism is inherently wrong or Palestinian nationalism was right? -Can I answer that really quick? Really quick. -Hady, that's all I'm saying. [LAUGHTER] -I love that story. -What was that guy that we read about in the group chat? -Tan. -Santhan X. -Santhan X. Yeah. I'd heard him mention in the Haitian Revolution episode of-- -Revolutions. -Yeah. -Great name. -It's funny, because to Salt Lubatour for all of his strengths and stuff, he really was committed to having a Frank Fowell nation. And he wanted to be-- Haitians be educated in the French system and all that kind of stuff. And then when Desolene came along, he's like, now bring that little fat French boy back. [LAUGHTER] I mean, it'll be a little more than that. He's the only one, though. -Also, it depends on how you define nationalism. But the reason French nationalism is bad is because it has generally been used to subject millions of people from Vietnam to Algeria around the world. There is-- I don't think there's anything like-- -Yeah, you can't talk to people. -The face of it-- -I can't talk too much fucking far, to see. -I don't think there's anything wrong with being proud of a specific national cultural heritage or the music you make, the food you make, this type of stuff, the clothes you wear. Like, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Once it then gets extended into imperial aggression and theft and resource extraction, that's when it becomes bad. -Yeah. -You know what I'm saying? -It's not to learn other languages and experience their music and their food and their cinema and all that stuff. It gets bad when you go to a place and say, "Yeah, I need to speak French now." And also, we want your rubber in oil. -Right. But I have to assume that this person isn't stupid enough to recognize that. That you can't-- you can't clamor about French and Latin nationalism, extricated from any colonial imperial history. This person's just being willfully ignorant, right? -Yeah, you're right. Because it's like-- the fact that you would even compare the two. -Why is German-- so let me ask you a question. Is German nationalism on the same level as Jewish national? Like, let me ask you a question. Which one are you OK with giving it-- I mean, actually, now we can say that they both intertwined. But OK. -That's a great point. But it makes sense. That's why she has to establish-- -She's a hair and a wife. -That example. -Right. But that's why she had to establish up front that some nationalisms are good and some are bad. But she's trying to invert it. It's dude, it is totally confused. Same people would actually be able to look at this and be like, this makes no fucking sense, lady. But like, these people are all fucking delusional dog. Like, they don't make any sense to themselves or among themselves. -Oh, right. -Wordinary citizens of Western nations are right to fill their evictums of a bait and switch, which various actors who are either dumb or nefarious are both now routinely attribute to a Jewish plot. But the trick that was played had nothing to do with the Jews. Nor was it intended to be a trick at all. Instead, as a consequence of the failure of Western a lease to understand that the nation, like the will, is one of those inventions whose usefulness to humans only grows over time. As a result, they further fail to understand what living in a global society might mean for ordinary people, for whom citizenship represented their most valuable form of personal and political family capital. -But what did she say that-- what did she say that the status of being a citizen is being eroded by the same exact people who are rabid about borders, closing borders? -You would-- God damn, we've almost recorded two hours. Sorry, everybody. In response, people on both the left and the right sought comfort in the past. Leftist in Europe insisted on an even closer embrace of the post-colonial fetishization of the oppressed. In the name of justice on the grounds, the alternative world would be-- alternative would be even worse. For their part, conservatives proclaim their desire to return to foundations that have been rejected as a rank bigotry since the end of World War II. It's kind of interesting, like, in this schematic, basically what she's saying is that Zionism offers you an operant, basically. Like, you don't have to fall into the right-wing anti-Semitism or the left-wing third-worldism. You can embrace Zionism. Zionism, which is-- -You can get a third way-- -A third way-- -A third way Zionism. You know, I won't-- once again, we spent way too long on it, and I need to just start wrapping this thing up. But like, just to kind of, like, speed through to the end here. She talks about America, the war on terror. The Obama Year saw outright attacks aimed at severing the two special tethers in the American ethnos, capitalism and the covenant. I don't know what the-- -Fuck, these are really-- -The covenant, bro. You can't be talking like that. -I'm like, lady, you can't-- -That's about the covenants, right? -Can't be talking about the racial covenant. -Can't be saying that, why, baby. [LAUGHTER] -As America's two unique characteristics were eroded, the weakness of the country's cultural identity was exposed, leading to a series of miserable and ongoing debates about whether America could be singlyly defined as white or Christian or credal or whatever. The tribe became a thing on the traditional left. Bernie talks about-- in AOC, talk about solutions being offered. We're literally-- oh, she goes-- she talks about the solutions they offer as not being anything better than they were being offered in the 19th century. It's like dog. That's what Zionism is. A 19th century-- -Not a century offering. -Not a century offering. Fucking moron. Blah, blah, blah. What almost no politician seems able to offer as a type of politics that could appeal to a sense of collective purpose that would inspire and mobilize the majority of citizens. In the absence of such an appeal, the result across the West has been a series of fractured coalition governments driven by street politics that increasingly resemble outright warfare. Almost out of nowhere, the one thing that everyone seemingly elites, Normie's old young right-left, suddenly agreed on was that their problem was quote, dot, dot, dot, Zionism. Israel is uniquely evil, they claim, because it is an ethno state. -No, I think it's uniquely evil, because they butch or families and kill children. -I think it's uniquely-- we could talk about the dimensions of ethno state and had you not, you know, you know, Janice out of the people and put it before that, put them in a concentration camp, and all that kind of stuff. -And now they're engaged in an eight front war. Now they open their attacks on Iran by bombing an elementary school with the United States. I'm not, you know, absolving the United States. That was a co-lab, because they both see like children as legitimate targets. But also just like look at what they're doing in Lebanon. Like, dog, I saw a video yesterday of IDF soldiers doing the same shit they did in Gaza, where they would go into someone's apartment complex and like, still they're underwear and like wear them around, like, epically. Like the fucking-- the thing that kills me in this essay also kind of like telegraphs unintentionally is how fucking cringe these assholes are. Just like they've got like such a psychotic view of the world that there are temps at humor are like, what if we wore a person's underwear that we've killed? -Right. Like the Nazis didn't even have that fucking sense of humor. If you want to call it a sense of humor. -Right. And not think that people around the world would just look at that like, you're a fucking freak. And maybe everything that I've been hearing about, she was true, you know? -Yeah. [LAUGHS] -At first-- -She's talking about the Zionism thing. At first, this seemed like an odd answer to the most important challenge of the moment, which was the dangerously rapid decline of their own melting pot states. But when seen in this light, it becomes more obvious that the attacks on Israel were, in fact, attacks on everyone else's national identities. If Zionism as a nationalist movement is held to be somehow lacking in legitimacy, it's in order to make sure that France and Germany much younger nations with long histories of starting wars with their neighbors and country. -Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. -We're also a little legitimate. -She says France is a journey of much younger-- Germany's pretty young, but France is pretty fucking old. You can really kind of trace it all the way back to like Charlemagne, like the fucking eighth century. Like-- -Listen, Israel is a political entity is younger than my father, you know? My deceased father, too. I'm not taking any shape at all, dude. I'm not listening to that, come on. -Police stop being dumb. Zionism did not become a target. because of the supposed crimes of the Israeli government which ordered the invasion of Gaza in response to a massive attack on its own country Zionism became a target because it represented what Westerners on the right Claim to desperately want but are unable to attain and what Westerners on the left wish to define as impossible a form of nationalism That is oriented toward the future rather than the past and that is able to defend its own particularism while protecting individual and so on So was the future you made an approach that 70 year-long And more resource extraction. What is that looking towards the future like a toward the future brother I get to The future is supposed to be utopian and like design forward and night and I don't know Not a decades-long occupation dog. I'll speak towards the end here But I miss this. I wish I'm looking what I caught this on Monday, but this fucking kills me This is all areas the alchemy of old and new of taking control of one's own fate and changing the stream of history and midcourse is characteristic of Zionism It is also how Zionism having fulfilled its promise for Jews becomes a technology for national renewal that could conceivably be by anyone All right, let's go to this to see what I mean contrast what's happening throughout the west with Javier Millay's presidency in Argentina In answer to a country whose economy was collapsing and whose national culture had become mired in anxiety and depression Millay presented Argentines with the prospect of being part of a new and hopeful experiment in which they could define their country as something other than a scenic economic basket case Bro they had the ball of 50 billion last week off the US just to keep everything from going to pot And he threw a big rock concert then. Well, he was the center. Instead Millay offered a new solution one that was both wild. These people want a 24/7 fucking base nectar concert that somebody else somewhere pays the fucking bill for Just welfare queens your fucking tasteless fucking welfare queens That's all you are that's all you are Instead Millay offered a new solution one that was with widely idealistic and at the same time entirely pragmatic A radical market based shock therapy that every smart person in Argentina knew the country needed But no politician ever had to wear with all to an action. I wonder why I wonder why the mother fuck Yeah, yeah, I give the chainsaw by Elon Musk was the one to do it though, right? In other words what Millay has been a stonest to an act. Oh my god In other words what Millay is manifesting is Zionism for Argentines Lee Kwan you Conceptionalized Zionism for Singaporeans Norenda Modi is practicing Zionism for Indians What connects these men is not only they chose nationalism over internationalism, but they all have real That they rooted their ideologies and the specificities of the unique cultures Which they insisted must remain separate and apart from others But also that they are future oriented high octane idealists this balance of cultural Particularism with tough-minded pragmatism and inspiring almost unfathomable idealism that Zionism Zionism for the if in India talk about Modi dog So to bring us back to the last paragraph and you can listen to this in concert with monday's episode This will weave together the two threads the two strands of these episodes In the last paragraph I just wanted to read this for you Aaron I wanted you to hear it in antiquity the Jews bequeath to the world the concept of the nation as distinct from tribe and empire Which in turn gave rise to modern national identity now with Zionism Israel has again provided the world with a framework for the future this time to avoid entrance in the twin impulses toward digital disintegration of identity and self-worship Don't be so afraid of the gift or so pointlessly resentful of the giver that you deprive yourself of those around and those around you of what you deserve As we say in yiddish Nuts-Gazuntarheit use it in good health and you're welcome. Oh my god Thank you for the gift of Zionism that will lead us into the future Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for $9 gas and every fucking body in the world hating me Fucking god damn it. I hate them so fucking bad The future just being like that fucking scene from Terminator 2 of just like your skeleton getting like fused to a fucking chain with fence What the world just is wrapped in atomic fucking weapons me mechanized IDF soldiers petroleum neighborhood Oh my god. Oh man. I think that sums it up though I think it meant it actually it accomplishes in a weird way kind of what she was trying to Have us not accomplish is like we should be talking about this right now But I'm gonna fucking write 20,000 words about it. Basically like it is a kind of repressed It's a rip cycle psychologically. It's a repressed acknowledgement of the fact that in a world where all other ideologies are kind of exhausted and collapsing and breaking down Zionism does offer a way for it and that way for it is mass death That's true. I don't want to hear them talk about Looking to the future when all they do is echo fucking omelac and fucking All these fucking old Testament wars and shit and blah blah blah blah like yeah, it's now I mean it's pretty clear to that from her essay that mass death liquidation essentially is what she's talking about, you know Yeah, that's the only solution is mass death liquidation of undesirables, you know Well, and it eventually and along enough timeline and I've been saying this the logic of that thought process is that Either Israel wins and gets everything at once in greater Israel At which point at it's again, this is like naziism like where does it end? If they don't get it if they don't get all that that means that every Israeli has to die Like do people realize that? I'm like I'm serious like I mean the way this is the way the argument has been constructed Is that if they don't get it everything they want If they don't get to kill everyone on the planet that opposes them The entire thing must collapse and also take everyone with it, right? The nation must be sacrificed that it may live, you know, yes, the nation must be sacrificed so that it may live And I just I don't I have been screaming this into the void for two and a half years now But when will people wake the fuck up to that? There is no there is no occult anti There's no occult Jewish magic going on there. This is ideology. It is pure material practice It is the development of history Flesh and blood humans making decisions to mass murder other flesh and blood humans for their own Fucked up fucking expansion as proud of people need to grow the fuck up There's no metaphysical dimensions. There's no like no And and I'm also talking about this with regards to like the Charges of anti-Semitism or whatever it is not anti-Semitic to point out The relationship between the United States and Israel. I think that like it is a material relationship And they use anti-Semitism as a way to shield them from criticism Yeah, and to deter people from investigating it, but like you gotta be fucking people need to fucking grow the fuck up We need to be adults about this. This is going to swallow the entire group. I'm going to introduce a concept and it's going to be called anti-Gentilism And it's where if I criticize the state of Israel, I can't get into grand school Like that that's kind of what we're talking about anti-Semitism Like that was the real fruits of anti-Semitism like in the mid-century and so forth Uh-huh. And I know hey So like now it's the exact opposite. It's the it's the gory that if they were vocal about their you know Distain for Israel they couldn't get into grand school or the certain law firm or whatever Anyone well I hope that the essay was enlightening for you all Um, and I'm sorry we went so far overboard today um, but I um You know uh just to recap though put a full put a bow on it An insanely unprecedented week in late-american uh collapse We'll see where it goes. You see if anything changes Seems like uh, we're all in Tune in next week We are all in we are certainly all in anyways. 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