Episode 367: How a dog understands its name

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And also, as I've said in my one-man ban show that I did just before this, George Kittridge, Loving Memory of You as well. Thanks for your Patreonage as well. All right, let's do it. Welcome back to Canine Paradise. I'm your host, Pat Stewart. I'm joined today by my co-host, Glenton Cook. Oh, hi, sir. How are you? I'm the best I've ever been. It's the greatest day of my life. Hey, before we get onto our topic, one thing that's bothered me this week, and I have been bothered by it, that they finally are openly disclosing UFOs. And no one's really excited about it, or even really talking about it. They just keep going, "Yeah, whatever. Let's talk about the Epstein Fox." Which is, well, clearly, it's a distraction because they're not really disclosing anything. They're showing a bunch of shitty old footage of maybe a dot moving around on a screen. Yeah, but they're openly talking on the news, like about four different variations of aliens that have had contact with Earth. And it's not people with aluminium fall hats anymore. They're, or aluminum, if they're in America. Yeah. Isn't that funny? The difference between aluminum and aluminum. Aluminum? Aluminum. But yeah, it's not just a conspiracy theorist anymore. Like they're openly talking about, like, "Oh, yeah, we've been negotiating and dealing with these different life forms." Yeah. I still haven't seen it. I'd like them, I'd like them introduced on camera and say, "Hey, we're the insectoid group and we're the gray group and we're the draconian group and we're the, what's the blue system?" Well, I think that the four Nordic groups or whatever they think. Nordics, yeah. Well, I think that that four species thing is not been released. That's just something that someone said on a podcast and people have run away with. It was how Put Off set it on the Doriva CEO. And so he kind of mentioned, "Oh, we know there's at least four of these." But it wasn't like an official release on that. Of the officially released stuff, the only thing in it that was interesting and put some sort of ego on NASA's face is that there's photos and audio of Buzz Aldrin talking about. They saw some awe as well as there's on the moon. Yeah. And so, NASA have been lying about many, many, many things for a very long time and are now caught in a lie. Because they have been saying, "No, there's never been anything like that." And now it's one of their own documents that has come out. So like NASA, they're like, "No, no, no, where the official and we've never seen anything is now." Like, "No, no, we know that you have." And the big one for me, when we were starting with conspiracies, as you know, I was tracking that three-hour outlust really closely. Like, I was following that. And everyone was really excited because I think it was like 3rd of October. Last year, it flew past Mars and NASA re-rolled one of its satellites on Mars to get what would be the best photos of it. And they didn't release the photo. Like, that thing releases its photos every day. It just puts them on the internet by itself. They didn't release the photos for like 16 days. And then even then, the photos were not. Like, you could at that time take better photos of it from Earth than the photos they showed that they got from a satellite all but its orbiting Mars. And that's when they started calling it a comet. Like, in their press release, they called it a comet like 100 times. Like, trying to make sure everybody knew that it's a comet. Yeah, you've got to be conditioned. Yeah, it didn't meet any of the criteria of a comet. Like, it is definitely. Whatever it was, the thing that we know for sure it wasn't was a comet. So, NASA is a full shit. That's the thing that has been confirmed. It is weird. But people like you and I who have been looking into it, you just look at all this stuff and you go, "Oh, this is the distraction bullshit because I know that you have more than that." And like, maybe it's a slow release. They're putting stuff out. There's a lot of talk at the moment that they're going to at the roles well anniversary, have a bunch of stuff that Trump is preparing. Like, I think if there's one thing Trump would love to be the God. Like, that would get you remembered forever if you're the God. Hang on, wait. That makes you sound like you've heard it for Trump. Just keep going. That's one of the funny things. And if we can point that out again for the fucking morons, that think that I voted for Trump, you and I, you and I, you and I, you and I, we are Australians. We don't get to vote in the US elections and get any influence in anything to do with anything in the US. Yeah. I want to go on the record now saying if you think that a politician is on your side, you are a moron. There are politicians that give a fuck about you. So, I do not have a political home. I do not support any politicians. I might at some point say I like that decision. That was a good thing. But of any politician. But if you think that we are supporting anyone, especially if you think that we voted for Trump, I just want you to reflect on how stupid you are. Because that's not possible. I am an Australian that lives in Australia. I do not get to vote in US elections. That's a very good point, mate. And something that I will make mention to everybody is that the only time that I ever see politicians being remotely human or nicer people is when it's coming up to election time. And that's the only time they need you. And that therefore that's the only time they're prepared to give you any remote space. Once they're clear of you, they're basically like, "Fuck them, they've put us back in the office for the next four years. It's time to fuck everybody right, royally, over and do whatever we wanted to do." It reminds me clearly of a meme that I saw the other day. And I've seen it throughout history where it's got a picture of a lion standing at a podium saying, "And if I'm elected, I agree to turn vegetarian." It also reminds me of this saying that says, "The forest was shrinking, but the trees kept voting for the axe. For the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because he's handled was made of wood, he was one of them." Yeah. This is the ancestral thing and the time proven anecdote that politicians are fucking open liars and they're getting more brazen about it. They're publicly changing their mind on election promises. And they should be held accountable for it. But let's not let's not let. Yeah, I know, I know. I guess that's a whole I guess so wild about it that anybody would be stupid enough to think you and I voted for Trump or trust politicians in total. They're menaces to our society. But what we are is people that will talk about things that we like when they're happening. Talk about what we do and don't like regardless of the, because I am politically homeless. I do not identify with any political side. I am a person who makes up my own decisions based on my own life actions, then I am not a go with the crowd person. Yeah, I just like, if I hear a policy that sounds less crazy than the other crazy policy that goes out, then I might say that policy sounds good. Let's see if they actually enact it and they do anything about it in any form of salvation that improves people's lives and stops people having to play these stupid pretendies games that we've been playing for the last five or six years has been crazy. Yeah. Hey, we got to talk dogs. I put it out the way we got the government shit out the way. Yes. Oh, we can bring it back. We'll start with the reaction. Okay. Okay. We can always talk about it. So I put a post into our Facebook discussion group asking people about what they think of their dogs names. Because it's just interesting to me. Like, I think that what we're learning as we sort of do more, as we can see into a dog's brain better, is that a lot of the things that we've in the past said, oh, you're anthropomorphizing. It turns out you're not. Turns out that they are capable of the level of thought and understanding and emotional things that we have in the past said, no, they can't do that. And we've learned that they can. You know, like I think the best example is that they've almost certain a dog loves you, right? Like loves a handler under FMRI. They can see the parts of the brain lighting up that they yep. These ideas agree. A dog just is. Yeah. And that a dog is just enjoys your company because you give it things or that it's sucking up to like we can say with a decent level of certainty that that's not necessarily the case that your dog can actually love you. I don't know about a dog's name. So I put it in the Facebook group that can I power it on discussion group has 102 comments and I just spent the morning reading. I'm pretty sure all of them, unless Facebook's a bit weird at formats, oddly, but I'm pretty sure I read them all. And the overwhelming consensus is that no, a dog doesn't necessarily understand that you've given it a name. It's that there's a queue that the dog makes an association to and then it doesn't necessarily understand that you are like the concept of a name. And I think that, you know, I don't know. I like I want to agree with that. And I think for the most part, I do, but I just think that that is something that happens in the black box that maybe a dog is aware that it has a name because we know that a dog has a sense of self. A dog can recognize itself not always in a mirror, but by scent. Dog can determine whether its own scent has been altered. So like there is a sense of self. Do you think it's fair to say that a dog has a sense of self that it's aware that it is a limited being defined by its edges operating in an external world? Oh man, it's such a tough one. I think the now science doesn't support that. It does support that they're far more intelligent than when I started my career in training dogs. And you know, the information passed on to me in the early early days was coming through old mate down the road or Grand Papi gym or somebody like that. It was a family member or it was the old dog trainers guild that were saying dogs can't seem black and white. All the things we've covered off in early episodes and so forth. I feel that the now science still determined that a dog is yes, they're intelligent and yes, they do love us. Yes, that has been proven when people have walked into a room in the regions depicting love have been lit up like a Christmas tree when the dogs issue. And I don't need an FMRI machine to see that my dogs generally love me and they have a yearning for me. The company I have with them is different than the company of somebody else. There's been time to where I've been away on work trips and so forth and I've come home after week. And the dogs are screaming, you know, like they're dancing and screaming and they're so happy to see me and Neral will even say geez, I thought I missed you. I can't believe how much the dogs did. Like they're so much more excited like they're jumping around and screaming and hysterical. Like just different than they are on the day to day. Like they're happy to see you on a day to day basis when they haven't seen you for a period of time. All the little franches will be in hysterics. They're just crazy about it, which determines I believe that there is a genuine love there. Getting back to the characteristics of the name, maybe they know it, maybe I don't know. I think the way that we've established a name is generally a focus word or an informal recall word. So most of the times I feel that when people are talking to their dogs and using their name or it can be a punisher. It can be a condition punisher as well. So I've seen plenty of dogs who are punished by their actual name because their nickname is really their name. Like my dogs all have nicknames and their nicknames are their genuine names like the names that get more attention from them. So for argument sake, Mando, our body, when I say Mando to him, that's when I want him to fucking pull up, pull up stumps. So I recognize that in myself that I've conditioned him to understand that when I say Mando and then I think, oh fuck, I shouldn't be doing it like that. Like I should use a word like no, ah, when I'm doing that because that still has the desired effects. So now I've inadvertently done something that I've told other people not to do. But his nickname is Job. When I say, when I say Job, he turns around and looks at me. It's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, what do you want? When I say Mando to him, his tail is always up in the air. But when I say Mando, his tail sinks. The first time that happened, I thought I've conditioned a punisher or using his birth, well, not his birth name, but his official name, the name that I named him as a puppy when I got him. He's not excited to hear that word. It's like saying to your son, let's say your kid's name is Jake or something like that. You go Jake and I look at you. You know, humans can differ, entuate between those sort of thing. We have that deductive capability, but still we have those conditioned effects as well. Then when we hear the name said with that tone, we understand this is punishment. Like I'm being punished. But usually when I see other clients using their dog's name, though, I the nag it, so it has no real definition at all. It's just gibberish in a sentence because they'll say, "Foto, fighto, fighto, fighto, fighto, do this, fighto, fighto, fighto, fighto, fighto, fighto." So the name it becomes spaghetti in the background. It's just randomly and repeatedly said on mass. Other times, I hear people singing it out to their dogs and their dogs come running. They hear the name and it's an informal recall. It means, yeah, come back here. It just needs to come back. All of the other name of the dog will look at them and they'll give them attention. People will say, "Well, that's an indication that they know their name." But then I can challenge them on it and say, "But is it? Does the dog think, if you say that name or that word or that cue, usually all I have to do is look at you? I don't have to do anything else." And then people can say, "If they are being a little bit, there I say an anthropomorphic, whether they have these beliefs or connotations or learnings themselves, they're saying, no, my dog definitely understands its name." So I don't know. I'm not going to say anything with conviction. I'll just say with, and that's not a cop out sitting on the fence. It's just that I'm talking about the now science. I don't think the now science supports it. Yeah, I agree entirely because that's where we're at, right? And it's fun to speculate. We know for sure that dogs can learn from deductive reasoning. And the experiments that demonstrate that show that you can have a dog and you can label, like I've got to use that word label instead of name, you can label items. So there's video of this, there's Chesa, who does it, there's that Russian dog. Mostly all Border Collies that they demonstrate this on Aussie Shepherds. But you can have a series of like toys that the dog understands by name, by label. They can be told, get the monkey and he goes and gets the monkey toy. And then if he's got say three that he knows that have a label out and you put a fourth out and say a new name, go get the whatever, the dog can go out and go, okay, I don't know what that is, but I know that the monkey is not it. And he knows what he knows. So then he can go, okay, well, I don't know what this is. I can deduce that that's what you want me to get. And therefore he gives it he assigns at that label. So that's been demonstrated. You can watch the videos of that. That's online. Like dogs do understand that a thing can be labeled right because then Chesa again can demonstrate the difference between like now and adjective, he can be told to go do something. He can move things. He can retrieve them. So let's just tell us. Tell us about Chesa. Chesa is a dog that a lot of these experiments were done with like a very high drive. It's called Chesa because he was relinquished for chasing cars. There's a lot of the experiments on how intelligent a dog can be and what a dog can actually learn were done with him. Or her, I can't even remember. So long ago that I booked into all this, I even has a big part of it on his course. And that's where I was kind of introduced to it. And then I sort of got obsessed and kind of did what a research on myself. But it was a while ago. So I'm not full bottle on it. But we know for sure dogs are have deductive reasoning. If you tell it to do to get a thing and it doesn't know what those things are, it can then go, okay, well, I know that this is not what you told me. So the thing that he's out here must be what you wanted me to do. They can deduce that. And so to me, there's a level of implication. And that dog then understand there's labels two things. So it's reasonable that for us to then deduce that perhaps they could understand that they could be labeled. And so especially when you see people in multi-dog households that are good trainers. My favorite example to use this is always Sarah Bruski, you know, as a professional performer with her dogs. I think at one point she said she had like 13 dogs and they just sit on the podiums and they wait their turns and she calls one off, does the performance with one sends it back calls the other one off. And so there must be a level of understanding of that is a command for me and for nobody else, right? Like that and when the dog, he's another dog's name, he must have some level of understanding despite the commands that come after that name being the same as my commands, the precursor, the name prior was not mine or was not the one that I am associated with. And therefore I don't do the things. Is that intelligence or good training? Yeah, I think it's got to be both. I think there's an element of like that that's kind of where I'm going with it is that it's only the people who like and reading the comments here, the people who are saying that yeah, I think that my dog understands its name because it does, it only reacts and I can send it to the other dogs. Those are all people that are pretty good trainers, you know, and so I think it is at the case that the dog understands its name versus they have just very intelligently and carefully and effectively put a precursor to the commands for that dog that the other dogs know that you following through with doing the thing that I have asked if your name doesn't predict it, if you're label, if that sound that I make doesn't predict it, it's not for you. And I think like to me, that feels kind of difficult and there's no evidence of this, like I'm just saying you know for myself, like it feels kind of difficult to then say, it doesn't understand the name, you know, like when you observe that. And I think I agree with you entirely, like one of the things that I used to do when I was doing a fair amount of in-home behavior mode stuff, if people were getting a rescue, I would usually encourage them to change its name. Like whatever name it comes with, I usually encourage them to change it because you just don't know what association has been made to that name. And I have for sure many times said to people, your dog doesn't know what's his name, right? Like it's not a name for the dog. It's a word that carries a value to the dog and you don't know what value that is. And so often I encourage people when you get a second hand dog, unless you know the history of the dog, like it's a private rehome or whatever. But if it's like if it's history is a black box that you can't see within, I usually encourage people like, hey, change that dog's name because you don't know what he actually thinks when he hears that name. And I believe overwhelmingly with most people, their dog's name is in some way at least a non-reinforcing marker, if not a punishment marker, for sure. And I think that that is just a sort of natural state of affairs to fall into because when you're with your dog, as they're about to do something, you don't want them to do, you yell their name in order to get their attention, which acts as an interrupter of a way, in order to deflect them back to you and bring their attention to you, which is the exact same thing you're doing with a non-reinforcing marker. Guilty is charged, you're on it. Guilty is charged. Yeah. I think overwhelmingly people are. Even people who actively speak out about this in my own observations, I've silently watched them doing the same sort of things. And I thought, oh, I could make this a gotcha moment, but who needs to, you know, if this, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's overwhelmingly. It's overwhelmingly the case. Most people do it. Our parents did it to us as kid, and we hereditary pass it on down to our own children or our own animals and so forth. We kind of think when I'm angry with somebody, I've got to say their name with a level of an addition of decibels to it. So they kind of know, I'm serious about this. Yeah. For example, if people have a shortened name, let's say for example, somebody's name is Mark or Deb, you know, and then you say Margaret or Debby and they say people only say that when they're angry with me. I mean, trouble. Exactly. So they have an identification as their full name as that's a name that I've been scalded with. My love name or my normal name that people call me is Deb or Mark or whatever it is. We've got a friend out there whose name is Deb Neuralinise friend and she'll hear this and she'll go, because her and I had that conversation one day I called her Deb in church. No, that's my punishment name, not my most of my graduate name. God, most of my life I used to get called Gleny when I was a kid and that was my parental love name and Glen was my punishment name. Most people's names who Glen is usually a Gleny along the way. So that's yeah, what you get. So one of the reasons this is on my mind, Valerie's death now, right? fully. Yeah. So not entirely, but certainly at a like a verbal level she's gone. So she's had some names through her life, right? So like her actual name on her pedigree is Canicula elderberry. Father was a poor and your mother smelt of elderberries. Yeah, so her actual paperwork is her name's elderberry. Yeah, the candle is Canicula. I've never once called it elderberry and I obviously didn't name her that. That just came on the paperwork. The week I got her, me and Sam were getting her to film the whole vowel video series that we've done for people who are new or haven't heard me talk about it. We got her, she's 12 and a half. She we got her 12 and a half years ago to film a video series on how to raise a pet dog. It's on YouTube. Now it's all free. We sold it for a long time. And despite it being 12 years old, it's still a very good resource for many people to check out. But the week we got her because we were trying to sort of get some social media traction, we said, hey, what should we call this dog and press the photo? And my friend Jamie who I was in the army with you know Jamie, he recommended the week we're getting her cam bed who I was in the army with who had was posthumously awarded a Victoria class. That happened the week we were getting her. And so Jamie said, what do you call her, valour? And because the plan when we got her, yeah. So the plan when we got her was we're gonna just film the video series and then give her away at the back end of it. Because I was in the army still and it just seemed like the thing to do. We were planning to donate her to like one of the army assistance dog organizations. There were many sort of yeah, like young diggers or something. Yeah, exactly right. So we named her valour. That was when we picked her up. That was a name VALOR you are. Yep. And then that very quickly became val. Right. So then she was called val for quite a while, but val short for valour. And then that just morphed into valori. Right. And I think someone asked me one time like, is that short for valori? And I was like, yep, it just became that. And then two things happened when she, by the time she was about six months old, I'd fallen madly in love with her and realized, now I'm fucking keeping this dog. I'm not giving her away to anyone else. And I think we realized that rather than helping you with PTSD, she'd give it to you. Yeah. Like she's not that. But like she's funny now because yeah, she's so old and slow now. But she was, I would say one of the highest drive dogs I've ever seen in my life. Like off tap doesn't stop springer spaniel bouncing off the walls all the time. I've seen like, I seen it. Yeah, you remember when she was young. Yeah. Anyway, so that's been her sort of journey through names, right? Can you give her elderberry? Never been called, but VALOR turned into VAL, turned back into valori. And so she has always been VAL when I'm talking to her like as a command to sort of like when I'm, you know, one attention whatever. And VALOR was her, that was her urine trouble name, right? Like that was her life. Are there any other names? No, I used to call her mama all the time, but that was sort of it. Because she used to think that she was, it's a partner that we didn't ever breed her because she was one of the most maternal dogs I've ever seen in my life. She used to love puppies and would would she raised a lot of puppies and back in the day, she was really, really good at sort of strengthening a weak puppy. We had many come through the house that were like the vet kind of knew if they had a puppy come in that it had something happen in the critical period, like if it was attacked by another dog or something, he would refer people to get in touch with me. And I would take that dog for a few days and VALOR was very good at recovering them. Like I had a pretty good success rate in that of her kind of mothering puppies into strength. And in a way that only a dog can do, you know, like a person can't do that kind of training. So she was incredible at it. So yeah, we called her mummy quite a bit, but that was about it. But she's deaf, right? And so I realized like three or four months ago that she's deaf because she's a really highly trained dog and she just lives a sweet life, right? Like she doesn't, I don't do anything with her. She's just always in the right place at the right time. And you know, really about as far as commands that she would get where I needed her to do what I said was a recall. And that was kind of it, right? Like because when I'm going somewhere, I need her to come with me. But then she knows what I want. Like she walks on the loose lead. We go where we want to go. She sits at all the things. So like, you know, there's been no, she's just been living the life of a dog that knows how to live the life. So I've probably been talking to her for a long time. And she's been here in none of it because I don't realize like is enough other nonverbal communication that she's not know what's up all the time. But a few months ago, me and Remi were doing some stuff and then we were leaving that area of this park we're in. And I got to like, you know, what would be a threshold like I was going from one section of the park into another section of the park. It wasn't like there was a fence or anything. It was just sort of heavy trees. So she wouldn't have seen me if I had gone another 10 paces. So I call out to her and she doesn't do anything. And I'm like, what? Like I'm yelling at she's like nose down sniffing around she just puts her out and she's an old lady. So she just sort of she used to tree possums all the time and want to kill him. Now she just sort of follows them. She just she still kind of trees them but she just looks at him and goes like, yeah, found her and then goes and finds another one and just kind of putters around following her nose. So I'm calling her nothing, no reaction. I'm like, this bitch. I'm like, I've been blown off on a recall in 11 years of like what is happening here? I'm like, yelling and yelling and yelling. And I realize she kind of looks up and I'm not where I was initially and she has like this little panic and starts looking around and then she sees me and comes around and over. And I realized in that moment, I was like, oh, she's deaf. She can't hear me. Like that's she fully was not paying off a recall. But now like she can like if there's a loud bang, you can see her startle like she can hear sudden high frequency stuff like that like a crash of something. She hears that. But just general back and forth. I don't think she hears anything. She doesn't hear me come home anymore. Like she doesn't like when the door opened, she's not meeting me at the door. If she's not looking at the door, she doesn't know it's open. That kind of shit. Yep. So when I'm calling out to her, there's nothing. So I've got to go over and like actually touch her and I've been trying to teach Remy because he's still can hear the old man. I've been trying to teach him to go over and get her attention. But he just won't like he won't have any part of that. I'm not talking about that. Speaking of what's his pseudo names? His real name is Remco, right? REMCO. Do you remember when I first got it, it was that a bringing up freshers, your tiny little baby Remco. Sweet precious tiny little baby Remco. Was he because he was this sweet precious tiny little baby dog. Yeah. That turned into split bar because then people got we used to write that on the board. Yeah. Like he's done for stuff. People would write sweet precious tiny little baby Remco. But then that turned into split bar because it was too long to write. But the way his name works is I call him Remy. That's what I call into his face, Remy or Remy. And that's his informal name kicks around. That's what I'm talking to him. But when we're training, I call him Remco. The way that his commands work is Remco is actually his out at the only time I would use his name on a field like when we're actually doing things is hits his out. Right. So so he has two forms of an out. He has an out and stay in the guard and he has an out and come back to me. The out and come back to me is just a whistle. But the way it works is I say Remco loss and he's already letting go by the time I say loss. Right. So it's a two stage thing that Remco is his that's his out. And then if he's not biting and I say Remco theoretically and certainly this has worked for us many, many times. I wouldn't want to put my hand on my heart and say it would work currently. But that should get his attention. So if he's at distance, he should look to me. And again, that's why I don't necessarily think that he understands Remco to be his name. He knows it as a precursor. So he knows it in the context of if I'm biting and I hear my name full name Remco, that means let go. He just understands that as a command. And if I'm not biting and I hear my full name, he should look for me and give me attention knowing I'm about to tell you the next thing to do. And usually that would only sort of be used in the case of like Directionals or like remote Directionals or something like that where we're not together. He's out there. His attention has been stolen with his full name. Remco, I can he will look at me. So I don't think he knows that as his name in any way, shape or form, I think that he just knows that as a word that carries a function. But does he know Remi or Rem to be his his label for himself? I don't know. Like I it definitely causes a reaction. He definitely likes to hear it for sure. It definitely like said in the exactly as you say though, like if he's if we're out and he goes to do some Tom Fulery and I say it, he turns around and sort of slinks back to me like, "Ah, yeah, you got me." If I just say, "Hey, Rhett." And he would he then know that maybe that's just all tone. But if he's on the couch and I look at him and just say his name, his tailwax, you know, like he enjoys to hear it. But in the same way, if I just look at him and smile his tailwax, you know? So have you ever done any programming? What do you mean programming? Like computer programming? Yeah. I did when I was in school and computers were sort of just like making their way into life. You know, it was the new thing. We used to have like a computer class. And it was an elective you could do if you wanted to. And it was a nerdy sort of thing. You know, most people went, "Oh, I don't want to do that sort of thing." But I love tech. I always love tech. And I wanted to be involved and learn about it. So our computer arts teacher, he taught me how to do some basic programming when I was a kid. And I loved it. And I wish I, you know, I leaned into it a little bit more. It would have been a very rewarding career. But one of the things he told me, he said, for the machine to understand what to do, you have to assign the code has to be tagged. So the computer knows what it is that you're trying to say to it. So, you know, like there's certain parts of the chain in the coding that you're actually doing. And forgive me for the people who do know coding out there because I am so basic at this. It's not funny because there will be people listening to this going, "Yeah, you're fuck with." And it gives. That's not how it works. But the very, very basic of it is, you know, like tags need to be assigned coding. And it needs to understand on how to execute it. So if you're doing headers and, you know, and then you go into different lines of what you're supposed to do, the machine needs to understand, "Oh, I see what you want me to do." So if I want a graphic in a certain area, this is how it needs to, this is how you need to communicate it to me. If you want text to be in a certain area, this is how it needs to be. So any function that we're trying to assign here, I need to understand the way I understand it. And until the new science improves it, which is it's done considerably since I started coding, you know, like things are already done for you because people have coded it that way. And then the machine understands it. Like it says, instead of somebody having to enter manual code, now they just need to click it with their mouse and pull it across and put it in an area. And because of the coding, I already understand that's what I need to do. I just need to assign it in this area. But you had to manually do all that sort of thing. Point being, point where I'm going with this is, you know, it's much like humans. We need to be coded in certain ways and so to animals. So they need to be coded in certain ways. So if we assign value to certain tags that we're giving dogs, then they understand, "Oh, well, that's the assignment that that tag has given me. That's what I understand it to be because I've gone through, you know, like it may be something that's operating on a subconscious level or it might be operating on something that's a very conscious level." And it's the same thing with coding. It could be something I need in the foreground. It could be something that I need in the background. So dogs and humans, you know, like many biologists who talk about human learning and animal learning, animal learning in general, are basically saying, you know, like we're a biological machine. We still need input. We need to be coded in certain ways. And that's evident because if you're listening to somebody speaking a different language, you don't understand what they're saying. It holds no value to you. So you don't, you know, like if you're in a foreign country and you hear people talking a different language, whatever that language might be, to you, it's gibberish. It has no value to you. But if they said in that line, patched you it, you would turn and look at them and go, "Why did you say my name?" Yeah. Like all of a sudden, there's value in, well, there's input in there. There's a tag that's attached to that where you'd probably turn and look at them or you might say to them, "Yes," or "Why did you say my name?" Depending on the context of it and your understanding of it is the response that you're going to give to it. Now, I feel that's very much the same for dogs. Like a lot of times when I'm coding my own dogs, we can say training for practical purposes. But when you're training your own dogs, you're coding them. You're actually teaching them how to assign values to each tag that you've told them to do things. Because a sit is an English word. It's not a Russian word. It's not a word that's said in Cantonese or Mandarin or something like that. Those words are completely different. So if you say sit to a dog that understands Mandarin or Cantonese, it might be a completely different word and the dog goes, "Well, that's just background gibberish to me." It means nothing. And then if you say the dog's name differently, it might go, "I kind of understand that word." It's like you and I were talking a while ago where we're saying how we've got four different versions of their in the English language. They're there and there. Because I've had people who have learned English and they said, "That is a motherfucker when you're trying to learn how to use the different theirs in context." And you'll spell it and then somebody who's English narrator or something like that will look at it and go, "That's not the way you use that in the context of the paragraph." And they're going, "Motherfucker, I don't even understand." You know, And I like there's three other versions. I'm all I'm playing is roulette at this point in time. Give me some fucking space until I actually learn the right way to tag this into the conversation. And that's how, when I see dogs having communication breakdowns with their owners, and they're having those difficulties with their own owner or the people or the family that they're with. And especially when you've got generational issues, like you've got parents saying it one way, kids saying it one way, you've got one person who's very committed, three other people who are very loosely committed. And then it starts to have like a seepage effect across the dog or the dog understands like, this is how I'll do it with Pat, but with Jane, I'll do it differently. And with Rip and Axel, this is how I'm gonna do it with them as well, because they don't really care about it. It doesn't hold the same value. They're not gonna reward me the same way or they're not gonna, you know, like they're not gonna hold up the punishment. So I'll behave a little, you know, the variations of behavior I'll give them will be different than what I'll give to Pat. I won't fuck around with him because I know, either I'll miss out on the reinforcer or I'll be punished for it. And I know that that's a very real consequence of what's going to happen with me, whereas with the others, they'll just walk off and go, "I'm over there." So that's primarily how I'll focus with this. So, you know, I kind of look at it sometimes as a coding thing. - Yep. - What's the value of the tag? Like what does it actually mean? What's the attribute of it? - Yeah, I think that overwhelmingly would be the case that the dog's name is basically the precursor, that it's like the word that follows this one is for you. And so it sets the conditions under which then the dog knows, okay, the bit that comes after that is for me. One of the things that sort of comes into my mind is, I got asked one time, like, you know, when I teach events and seminars and stuff like that, inevitably, especially when I'm doing like working dog ones, inevitably I end up fixing it out. If you never work with me, it's one of the things I can't gloss over. I don't care what you came to me for help with. If in trying to demonstrate the issue that you're having to me, your dog can't out, we're fixing that out. That's number one. Because in my opinion, there's probably another topic for another day. I think the out is the source of many of the conflict that we have. So I often don't have to fix the actual problem if I just fix the out. - Yep. - Anyway, moving on. What I find is when I'm playing with the dog, even if there's no need to, I tend to use the dog's name and then the out command when I'm teaching the out. And someone asked me why that was happening. And I actually didn't know myself, and I kind of had to sort of pick it apart and realize, and it's because I tend to then be talking to the people as well. 'Cause I don't do that with a dog whether it's just me training the dog. Like if I'm in here alone with the dog, I'm not doing that. I just say the out command. But when I'm with a group of people, I always catch myself using the dog's name and then saying the out. And I think it's for that exact reason, is so that I'm giving the dog the opportunity to say, I do a lot of talk with men. I'm talking to a bunch of people that aren't you. Don't worry about the things that I say, but worry very much about the thing that I say after you hear this particular word. You know, like when you see baseball coaches given the secret signal, they're touching themselves all over the place and pretending these are the signals. But then there's always a key where they're like, there's a signal that says the next signal is the real signal. That's how so much encryption works, right? Where there's a lot of nonsense just for you to get lost in. And then there's a key where we say, after that bit is the real bit and then there'll be more nonsense after that. It's like hearing patch stew it in that name. Like it's the one that makes you go, "Oh, it's the only thing that has meaning to me." When I see or hear that. And then I realized, okay, you said my name, I hear patch stew it and then I know that words follow that. Before too long, I start to now I know those words and you can drop the patch stew at par because those are words that have value but you gave them value by putting them in the tree. - Yeah, you have signed something to the tag. - That. - Yeah, it's an attribute. - Yeah. - Just ask a question on this because I'm curious how you would feel. Let's say, and this is totally hypothetical. Let's say you and Jane didn't want to live together anymore. She just said, "Pat, we're not together anymore. You can get out, make your life elsewhere." And you met a new lady and she said, "Pat, you and me, we're an item." But, Pat is your name assigned to Jane and I don't want to call you Pat anymore. I want to call you Henry. Would you protest to that? Would you feel weird about that and say, "I don't think I can do that?" - Yes. - Okay. - I would. - So dogs don't, you know, this is the thing when you take a dog and a dog is assigned a name. You take it in and as you've said, and I've said many times and people have done by choice and they called it a different name. The dogs don't go, "Oh, no, that's not my name. I'm not fucking, I protested that. I won't do that." Every fucking dog that I know who's ever had a name change has never protested to it. Anybody who's been told the change their name without them saying it's my idea to do it, I know people have changed their name. I know people whose name is attached to drama. They've elected to say, "I'm not calling." Or, "I don't like my birth name. I don't like the name my parents gave me." I was nearly called Scott when I was born. You know, it was between Glenn and Scott that mother named me after an astronaut. She didn't want to call me Scott 'cause then she kind of thought, "Well, it sounds like Scott no mate." So she didn't do it. So, "I'm not Scott, I'm Glenn." And if somebody called me Scott, I'd go, "That's not me, that's my other mate that I rode motorbikes with." So, point being is that, unless it's your idea to do it, you would protest to having somebody change your name. You would say, "That's not my name. That's not who I identify myself as." And I think that's the difference between the deductive side of it, which, you know, people, when they're talking about this element between a person and a dog. Now, I might be full of shit. Melanie Udemype here in this and going, "You are a fucking lunatic." I thought you had some decorum and, and, and, you know, somehow, but this is absolute nonsense. We must ask Melanie on her next visit to chime in on this. Hopefully she is listening to this and as we're lost her along the alien path, well, here or anything like that. But hopefully she is listening to this because I'd be interested in, if I just said, "I don't want to call Pat Nimon, "I'm going to call him Henry every time we do the show. "I'm just going to make up that he's named as Henry." I think you would be offended by that. I think you would go, you know, you probably say to me off air, like, "What are you playing at? Like, who are you doing this for?" And you'd probably be a little, a little bit pissed about it. It'd become a contentious point between us. If I kept calling you Henry, you'd say, "Dude, what the fuck? "What the actual fuck?" You know, like, this is just silliness now. Whereas if you said to me, you came in and said, "I'm not going to call Glenn. "I've had years of trauma over the name of being called Pat. "I don't want to be called Pat anymore. "I'd prefer if you called me Henry now. "Henry's my name going forward. "I know you're going to struggle with it. "Don't worry if you trip up on it a few times. "It's going to be a bit of a mouthful to get around. "But I am Henry, Henry is who I am. "I don't even identify with being called Pat Nimon." Okay, cool. "Your Henry from this point onwards." But it would have to be your choice. Again, making my point, getting back to my point, no dog that I've ever had, as ever, a dog I'd looked to me when it's got used to the fact that I'm calling it that name has ever gone, "Oh, I'm not coming to that name, you motherfucker. "You can stick that up right up your ass." They always go, "Yeah, yeah, I understand that Fido "is my new name now." And I'm quite cool with that. I'm down with that. It's good. Yeah, or even at all that I don't necessarily say Fido's my new name, just like, I like it when these students have Fido's name. Exactly. Better, more to the point. Yes, yeah, I agree. Yeah. It is a funny one. And I don't at all think that a dog has any sort of emotional attachment to its naming in that way. No, it's not at all. It's for us. The name is for us. Yeah. If you were able to talk to a dog, like literally interview a dog and have a real conversation with it, like if somebody invented some form of AI, they would say, "Oh, I didn't know that was my name." It was just, it sounded attractive to me. It just had an attribute that was favorable to my existence. My name is more of a little, little, little, little. Something like that. Yeah, yeah. You know, that's who I call myself. Or they might say, we exist beyond the comprehension of being tagged or labeled. You know, like that's not how we do things. Yeah. We just exist in the moment. Life is not that complicated. We don't have to worry about those sort of things. We grift through life and we just take, we seize opportunities as we see fit. We don't need to be identified that way. Or, better still, as we've said, it's about Oda, not a physical name. It's how you smell. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like my brain is going in million miles an hour. I don't know if I've ever told you. I intentionally rebranded my name like 20 years ago. So like people called me Patrick growing up. It was, I was Patrick. I had a couple of nicknames like playing sports and stuff that never stuck. Like none of them were ever sort of took hold. And then, you know, everybody in the army is to usually called by their last name because that's on your shirt. Yeah. So then people come up with some kind of like, you know, if you're in the army and you got a hyphenated name, you're two dads. If you're in the army and you're in the army. Yeah. That's how I explain that in a way. Oh, you got a hyphenated name. Then you must have had two dads. That's as simple as it gets. There's no, that is never questioned. That is, that is a straight fact. If you have a hyphenated name, your nickname is two dads. And there's no way out of that. Like it's a thing. Like I joined with he like, he's been out for a lot. He's been out way longer than me. Yeah. When I see it, I still call him two dads. Like he is two dads. Yeah. Like he's a two dads and all sorts of, you know, feds or army or anything like that. There's always a two dads. And it's not offensive at all. It's just a fact. Like there's nobody gets upset by that. You just like, no, mate, you got two fucking names. You can give us two dads. Like that's as simple as it gets. And as soon as people go, oh, how dare you in the-- this modern, you like shut the fuck up. No, he's that's, that's two deads. Like we're not even getting into pretending that this is real. Yeah. Or we're not even going to confront the bigotry that might have been behind that in the past. Fuck off. His name is two dead. That's what we're calling people. Like there's certain, like if you've got Rob in your name, so if you're Robberts, Robbertson, Robber, Binson, and those are your Robbo. Like there's no fucking way out of that. And then you might end up like if you get enough Robbo's in one place, you can be distinct by stinky Robbo. Like they could be there. Yeah. Well, so like there was one, won't list the Robbo's because some of them were pretty offensive at the start. Right. Because we got to distinguish these guys. So like now we get into which Robbo with it. But like you could have just used their full name. We're like, no, no, no, that's a Robbo because there's got Robbo in his last name. And now we got to figure out how we distinguish the Robbo's, right? They're just facts. This isn't happened. But I kind of rebranded myself. There was a bunch of reasons, but I intentionally stopped writing Patrick and just started writing Pat much to my mother's dismay, right? Because she called me Patrick. I remember being told one of my sisters wanted to call me Ricky, like, or tricky. And so that's why I want time. I tried to push that. I tried. I saw someone put a real up saying, if you name Patrick and you don't call yourself tricky, you've missed a goal and opportunity. And so I posted that saying, like, all right, from now on, I'm tricky. And there's a few people who are still call me tricky. Just because of that one. How do you get tricky from Pat? I'll pat trick trick trick tricky. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's I'm Richard and Dick. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's Rick Dick. Rick Dick. Yeah. Yeah. My dad was Richard. So he used to get called Dick. Oh, he was dick. Yeah. Yeah. I was explaining that to rip the other day. Like, try and explain to a 10 year old, hey, turn Richard into Dick and that you can call someone. Like, try and explain to him, like, no, Dick's a real name. My people can be called that he was counting himself laughing. Yeah. Or if you call Ben addicted, he can be called Dick as well. Yeah. There you go. I mean, my name wasn't really funny yet. That's cool. So people used to call me cookie monster. That was all my cookie monster. So I was cookie close friends and people that I've known for years will always still call me cookie. But my best mate, that is anytime he reaches out to me, you'll say, oh, cookie, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But at school, it was always cookie monster from the Sesame Street thing. I went along with it. I was never offended with it. I kind of thought, oh, people are joining in on the fun. So I'm joining in on it. If I don't like it, I'll probably probably fucking put your head through a window. But, you know, I'm like, but that's pretty typical, right? That like, cook turns into cookie. Yeah. And cookie monster just kind of flows a lot. I was trying to explain to this to Mel and Euda when she was out. I was just saying, it's very Australian to be assigned a nickname. And you've got a long name like Patrick. It'll be abbreviated to Pat or Pato. Yeah. Many pets that I've known over Patrick's I've known over time are either just Pat or Pato. Yeah. Mine is especially because I've got three first names. I'm Patrick Roberts to it. So like they're three, three first names. You could say there's a name in order. It makes no difference. But I didn't want my last name being like, because that's what most people would do. Right? You just end up stewie or something like that. And I'd want that for a bunch of reasons. But this is what I mean. Like so as people, our names evolve. Right? Like I've had many names and I am called by many things to different people. They all carry different connotations. I know that they're talking about me or to me with men. There's many different things I can be referred to as and they make me feel differently. But I still know that I am being referred to. It feels kind of similar to like what a dog would do. It was like, we have these same things. Right? Like I refer to most people and reading the comments on my post. That is a common thing that people have like, no, I have numerous names for my dog. And they all mean different things. And for sure, probably most accurate angle to view that at is to know the dog just has assigned different values to different sounds. And they're not at all does he understand you're talking about him. They just know that you're giving advice to the dog. You know, like it, it's a precursor. It's a, it's, it's, it's, this will lead to this. And he probably doesn't understand it to be his name. I sent you a meme a while ago, which I was doing my usual morning thing when I wake up in the morning. I look at my phone and see if there's any emails or messages. And then I go over to memes because usually the American crew will send me bunch of disgusting memes, which are hilarious, which I'll send out to my meme crew. And then I got one, which I sent on to you, which I think it said words through the effect of, it's amazing how so many people find the word to be offensive. But if you go out in public to a group of people on yell, or at least five of them will turn around. Yeah. Sounds like butcher from, from the boys. The boys is finishing our right. Yeah. Yeah. Hamland has been fucking no more landed. I fell off. I haven't watched the last couple of seasons. I fell by the wayside with it. And his real name is John. It's not homeland. Oh, really? Yeah. John, John is his name. That was his birth name. There you go. Yep. So that's my feels on it. That's where I'm at with dog names. I agree with everyone. I think that it's probably just a cue. I don't think that a dog understands like that it's sense of self, via its name and I'm going to go. I'm going to put my voting card in the order that name you from your the way you smell. I don't disagree with that. I haven't thought about enough to say that I agree, but I don't necessarily disagree. But I think I for sure want a hold space for the notion that a dog can understand its own name and that it understands your referring to it in it has a sense of self to that degree. Well, there's no humans around. How do they how do they have a self like a sense of identity? Well, by their own smell. So for sure, like as you said, yeah. So like we know that there's evidence that that shows a dog like I look this up a while ago in terms of the dog sense itself. Sorry, I just got an mentally meet you have been able to talk to a dog in a dog going, I didn't know your name was Glenn. I just know that your ass smells like pecan's your food bag man. I call you food bag man. So I watched Project Hal Marius that day. Have you seen that? No, it's good. I've been really wanting to watch it. So first of all, I've got two kids. So I watch a lot of kids movies. Yeah. Right. And then I've got a wife who I love daily and she hates space movies. And I love them. So the frequency at which I can allocate two or three hours to watch a movie by myself is low. For me to decide I'm going to give two hours where I'm separate from my wife separate from my kids and just watch a movie for that period of time. It had one of fucking peak my interest. I like that is just not a thing I do. But that Project Hal Marius, I really wanted to see that and I've been waiting for it to come out streaming so that I could download and watch it. Did it yesterday? Well, I worked my guts out in the morning and was like, okay, I've cleared some time and I watched it in the afternoon. But it's one of the things that is similar to this. Like he, it's really good. I enjoyed it very much. But it's about like a scientist. Have you seen what it's about? We got the gist of it. Like it's there's something going wrong with the sun. And basically like the gist is it's there's a. Oh, it's just one with Ryan Gosling in it where he meets an alien and the aliens world is blowing up at the same time. I've only seen the shorts of it. I haven't seen it. But don't give it away. I don't. Yeah. Well, the gist of the movie is like from a high level is that there's some kind of microorganism that's eating the sun. Right. It's it's it's dimming the sun. And therefore like it will cause, you know, all of humanity to go extinct. And but it's happening to all of the stars in the solar system except one. Right. Sorry. And in the galaxy except one. So they they fund this mission to go to that star to figure out why the fuck is that star? Not it's not happening to it so that they can try and figure out how to stop it elsewhere. And when he gets there, there's an alien there to do the exact same thing. And they end up having to work together. It's a very good movie. But the little alien is not humanoid in any way. It's it looks more like a spider. It's kind of made out of rocks. And they're have this conversation where they're trying to develop a language and they can agree on things. The alien he ends up calling him Rocky. Rocky can make his sound for the thing. And so then Ryan Gosling, his name's Grace, he then records that sound and then assigns that the value. So they can point to things and go like he says, you know, I called this a computer. And then Rocky makes the noise he calls it. And then he records that noise and then you know puts that into his language thing so that the way they end up communicating is Rocky makes his noises and the computer says the words that he's been saying. Gotcha. But they have this moment where they have to name each other, right? And like, you can't point to the thing. It's an un it can't be done. Like you can't so he says his name. Rocky says his name, but it's just like a vibration that he makes off of his arm. And then he can't possibly convey what that is in the material world because it's a felt sense. So then so Ryan Gosling says to him, like I have like I can't get that. Like I just have to make up a name for you. Right. So like he calls him Rocky because it looks like he's made out of rocks. But that sort of like feeds into this same thing in the same kind of even be explained. Right. Like with the what you have for yourself. So even if dogs do have a name for themselves, they think of themselves. They have a label for themselves and their friends. They can't explain that. Like, we'll never know. I mean, who knows what technology will exist in the future. I'm still hoping one day they have like in Doug Dave's, you know, like in that movie up. Yeah. He can talk. I love that. I love that, if that happens, we'll find out. But like how that would have to be, it's basically the same thing as what they have in Project Howl Mary. It's that the dog makes dog noises and it interprets it into human language. So you still probably would not ever be able to fully understand what a dog would call itself or you would be able to understand what it called its friends, but only in the same word, right? Like the same way it called it. I think it's an unsolvable problem or I'm totally wrong and it is a completely self problem and I've just fucking missed the target on it completely. But I think that's something that stays in the black box. I think that it's highly possible that a dog does have a sense of self where it would give itself a label. And I think you're probably right. If it were doing that without any human interference, it would assign a no to itself because we know that dogs recognize their own no to that's how we know that they can recognize themselves. So we'd think of itself as being that. I am the embodiment of this odor. That probably is sort like the most likely thing. But I wouldn't want to take off the table completely that a dog, if it's used in the way that would allow for this to happen that a dog could have a sense of self where it would understand it's now to be its unique identifier and not just a precursor to what might happen next. I want to hold space for that being possible. Well, I think super intelligence at some stage will work this out. I think it's bound to, especially when they start talking about the potential of quantum mechanics and quantum computing and so forth about how ridiculously advanced that is beyond comprehension, even at entry level, how far that can propel you into unknown futures and unknown sciences. I think at that stage, there won't be anything that will be unsolvable at the level that we've been trying to solve them. You know, like there might be things beyond that in different realms. I think there's always different rooms, different doors with different things as we get into comprehension of where we are and what we're currently doing. But I think at that point in time, you know, being able to communicate with animals, being able to assign different thoughts and speech patterns and having a universal language instead of not being other, other understand people, there used to be a show was a science fiction series called Farscape. It was about this guy from Earth who got propelled through a portal and landed on this bio ship, which was alive and had a crew of different aliens from different planets. And it was kind of like a little stingray sort of thing. It came up and stung him in the leg. And as soon as it did that, he could understand everything that everybody was saying. He was automatically attuned to translate all of the alien languages because before it was just gibberish, everyone was speaking a language and he was overwhelmed and suddenly it all went away. And I think the Babelfish and Hitchhiker's got to the out. Exactly. Like the Babelfish. Exactly right. So I think at some stage, they're inventing things for ears now where you can talk and it will translate for you and say, oh, this is what he's saying in your language. And this is what he's saying back to you in his language. And I think eventually it will be at a stage where we have the capability of if you want to talk in your mother tongue, that's fine. And I can understand it in because it's been translated inside my head. You know, like the wearables that I've got or the chip that's been implanted into me as the mark of the beast. Now I can understand what you want. I love your style. By the way, we started with conspiracies and now we've come back hurry out. Well, you said we were going to. So I weaved it back in. No, I love it. Two things on where you just said, the super intelligence thing, I don't know if you've seen any of the stuff about time travel and the quantum computing time travel. Have I what? It's kind of scary because that's where you can alter time and even timelines that we currently understand they could fucking vanish. You know, like, so we could have we could have distortion like there is in the movie Loki where if all there's all these fronches and things taking place. So they're some terrifying stuff getting around in the conspiracy world about quantum computing being out of travel through time and talk to itself. Because as it's being invented now, yep, it meets different iterations of itself in time. Yeah, there's an idea that the versions that are just coming online are able to communicate with all versions of quantum computing from everywhere that it could be used. Wouldn't that be mad if that was the cause of the big bang or something like that? Well, this is the thing like you open up a portal and that's able to talk to itself and then all of a sudden it goes boom and fucking turns into this entire different universe. Yeah. Yeah. Then you sort of into the weird stuff of do believe in the block universe where time travel is possible, but nothing can be changed or like parallel timelines where things can like a butterfly. Yeah. So like that that's some fun things to tear apart. But there's actually some like terrifying shit going on in the actual world that is worth unpacking to understand that. So what was the other thing you just said there was I've forgotten the other fucking thing I was triggered on by you saying translators like different types of translation and. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So the other thing that you were just mentioning is like the Babelfish from the trucker's guy to Galaxy, the stingray that that stings a guy in fast cap and he can understand. There's some interesting I'll be careful. Choose my words carefully because I like I know that religion is a weird topic, right? But the Tower of Babel was an interesting sort of idea to me, right? Because I think that it's especially old Testament. So like when you look at the Bible, there's a lot of very verifiably true historical accounts in the Bible. Like there's some of it is definitely very true. But I think the further you go back, like certainly Genesis, I think is pure metaphor. I don't think that any of that like I'm not a young earth creationist. I don't think that the earth is 6000 years old. I don't think any of that. So I think it's all metaphor. So what the fuck is the Tower of Babel and metaphor for? Like why was everybody spread around the languages mixed up so they couldn't communicate? Right? Like where's that story from? Because I don't believe that that's a real thing. I don't believe that humans were working together to build the tower to God. God got angry about that. Moved them around the earth and gave them separate languages so they couldn't work together effectively. Like that's the story. That's something happens. Something did happen because where's that story come from? Right? Like what does that mean that we can't always communicate effectively? Right? Like what is the function of that? And what do they mean? That's interesting to me, but it's probably a topic for another day. As we're sort of drawing to an end, I remember a conversation where people were, it was early on Facebook and people were sort of like saying, you know, like if you could go back in time or you could bring anyone back to life, who would it be? My response to a lot of people, because people say, I, you know, I'd love to meet Bruce Leibhem. I'd love to meet this actor or that famous person. And I said, I'd love to go back into the time where Jesus was walking the earth. And I'd love to meet him in person and sit down and have a very, very detailed conversation with him. I would love to be witness to Christ's walk in the earth. I'd love to sit down and have it, like have a deeper meaning for with him. And people used to say to me, you know, that's all bullshit. And I said, but that's my thing, you know, that's the thing that I want to do. He's such a historical figure where you believe in him or not. Everybody around the world knows who Jesus Christ is. You know, like these other people are just like interesting people. He's one of the most cornerstone people in modern day living ever since I've been alive. From the minute I knew what I knew, to right now, Jesus has been one of those people who's been, you know, he's not the only one, but he's certainly been like a very significant person in my timeline. So you have course, I'd love to go back. If I had the capability of going back in time, I'd certainly love to have that opportunity. One thing worth saying on that was, was careful. You can believe whatever you want about whether Jesus is an incarnation of God or the Son of God or whatever. That's totally up to the individual to decide, but that Jesus existed and that there was a dude from Nazareth 2000 years ago causing all kinds of political problems for the Roman Empire at that time. That is a fact. That is why it's still so significant to this day. Yeah. That's up to the individual to decide, right? But I have only fairly recently in my life come to understand how indisputed that is as a historical fact. Like there is more evidence for that. Like one of the things the example that was used on me when this was explained to me and it's what I say to others is very few people would argue that Alexander the great ever existed, right? Like we know that he existed. There is probably 200 times more evidence that Jesus existed than that Alexander the great existence. The fact that these people that history ever happened, you only have like if someone wrote it down and how they wrote it down and where they wrote it down and in what context they wrote it down. So like there's only a couple of references to Alexander the great. We can see his works, but the people who named him gave his lineage and what we understand of him only comes from a couple of texts. And nobody's angry about that. That's what I mean. Like you got to be careful of that because it's fair that people make their own decision and whatever. I'm not interested in trying to convince anyone of anything either way, other than that, they've got the accounts for sure. There was a dude name wasn't Jesus, but there was a dude causing a bunch of fucking problems because we've got the accounts from both sides, they know like the records of his crucifix. Like that happened. That should happen because they've got the documents to prove it. Now it's up to the individual to decide why that happened and the specifics. But there was a dude who was like fucked the establishment two years and years ago was causing all kinds of problems. That is a fact that I only recently came to understand is probably one of the least disputable things of ancient history. The fact that that existed that went down is not really like even in people who are straight atheist are like, oh yeah, but that sequence of events happens like that. That is not open for debate. Whether you did perform miracles whatever that's up to you to decide, but that he was causing trouble for the establishment because lots of people wrote that down at the time. A lot of people were pissed off or enjoying it. There's a lot of evidence about it. Anyway, maybe this is the place to end the podcast. We've covered. We've probably pissed off enough people for today. Yep. Yep. 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I know it's not talking about our product but it is certainly one of the ones that for your dogs ongoing health, it's one that we have implemented. We give our dogs Antonyl every day. It's fantastic. Our dogs see the benefit of it. I think you give it to your dog's pat when you remember. It's fantastic. It's terrific. These are the sort of things that we want to promote and encourage people to look at further, even if it's not something of our products, something that's foundational for your dogs beyond just the normal ranges of dry foods that I keep getting stick by people but nonetheless find out that they've been sponsored by these groups. I'd rather that you look deeper into it for yourself. There's not for me. It's not for our bank account or anything like that. It's for you to look deeper into and understand that your dog can be doing far better foundationally. If you do research better means of nutrition and diet and foundational supplements as well that your dog can actually have a far better lifestyle, improve lifestyle, a longer lifestyle, better skin, better coats, better dental hygiene, better stores. The whole lot can be achieved by looking deeper into products like that before. So if you want to, if you're curious about it yourself, if you're thinking that your dogs need a better life planning stage, look at canoncerticals.com.au. There's even like a questionnaire as you open the website that can ask you about some of the conditions that your dog has or where you'd like to go. We'd like to see your dog. You can fill that out and it gives you a better idea of the products that you might be wanting to look at. But even things like before I end up finishing up about this, Karen Bacquero, Rodney Huberb and many others who are credible people who do do research have talked about the benefits of things like turkey tail and Narell has been selling liquid extractive a lot of quarter-seps and turkey tail and lion's mane and so forth, which I take as well. Narell takes and there's been people who, and I'm not going to say because we don't claim to magically cure your dogs or anything like that, always just saying is improving the lifestyle. You have to say that by law, but we also ethically say it. There's been people who have had dogs with horrendous terminal diseases who have come back and they're saying that it has stopped it or it has reduced it or it has gone. I'm disaying. That's the feedback we're getting from customers. So like I say, and I have said to people whether you're a dog trainer or you're selling supplements or lifestyle changes or foundational health or whatever, the proof is actually physically in the pudding itself, not just on what you think or what your fancy marketing team put out there. It's what the critics actually come back and say and the critics are coming back and saying, "Fucking hell, why didn't I get on to this before? Why didn't we make these changes before or why did we wait until our dog was sick for this before we've made these significant foundational changes?" So be a part of that movement, whether it's with us or with somebody else, Narell's products are all ethical. They're all human grade anyway. She's a scientist, she's brewing at what she actually does, but look into it, do your own research, get out there, that's how Narell managed to do it for herself, and many other people who have made those changes. I'm very passionate about it. I've overtalked this. I've gone into overtime talking about this, but it's only because I've seen and lost dogs that I really feel probably could have been prevented if we only did better for them during the stages of their adolescence into their late adult ordinary, I wish I did it earlier. We've learned from those mistakes. We're doing it. I'm not saying it's the be all and end all, and it's the cure all for everything, but it's certainly going to make your dogs life a lot more enjoyable and at least give them some growth potential as they're going along. All right. That's it. And if you're getting touched with this, you can jump into the Facebook discussion group. That's what about Teespring do. Totally. So we're out of our tapestry or tapestry and tapestries. You got to get them jumping in the show notes. There'll be links there head to spring. You can buy some cool merch without stuff on it. And if you want to get in touch with us, jump in the Facebook discussion group. 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