Episode 362

Sort and scale contains adult themes and violence and is not intended for all audiences Listener discretion is advised I had a nice in my hand and I think the blanket was over his head and I pulled the blanket off and I think I started snapping him in the throat I thought it would likely be his ideas and everything All right, so I put the videos in a higher tier and you guys complain so After a while I I bring it down and I make it available to the lowest tier available and Then the guys in the higher tiers complain and It seems like no matter what I do this year You've all woken up in 2026 with something shoved up firmly up your ass It's like everybody's on their period or something Yeah, I said it That's what it's like from my and I get it from every one of you all of you complain to me for some reason As if I give a shit. I mean, I do give a shit I do want you to enjoy the show and what I'm producing here, but You got to stop I'm gonna produce whatever I'm gonna produce I'm the one deciding that as the creator of this program and you can like it or you can not like it and That's why there's a million choices available online. You can just go to something else you like You don't have to attack me personally and you know try to dig up secrets about me and like, you know Try to ruin my life and all that shit. What is that? What's wrong with you? Go on Boko Ratan, Florida sits on the Atlantic coast Manacure neighborhoods Gated communities palm line streets a Sundrenched tropical paradise where tourists find it easy to forget that life just kind of happens here and Residents have to get a move on with their routine and get things done Just a few miles north in the smaller city of Delray Beach That routine continued on the night of February 2nd, 2020 Traffic moved through intersections patrol cars idled at lights Nothing was unusual That is until the traffic cop pulled over a white Ford Explorer Give me the 1100 block. It's out federal. It's a white Ford Explorer reference no lights Can you put your hands on the little body? Okay, hey, they're almost just with the reason why I pulled the over you know what I mean lights on Behind the wheel was a man in his mid-20s He didn't appear intoxicated his speech was steady His demeanor calm If anything he seemed apologetic, but something about him stopped the officer cold His face his chest his hands were all spattered With blood. Are you okay, bud? Yeah, I just had a no-clean You sure you don't need paramedics or anything? Okay, yeah, are you able to turn your lights on? Yeah You sure you didn't get like beat up or anything? No, I just had a nose Okay, do you have your license on your body? Yeah The strange man with a nose bleed handed over his license Which identified him as 26-year-old Jared Neumann? As the officer returned to his patrol car to run Jared's information Another unit pulled up the second officer immediately noticed the blood It's got blood all over his face. You see all the blood on his face? Holy shit, unfortunately for Jared the blood wasn't the only issue When officers ran Jared's information they discovered something else His driver's license which was actually a learner's permit had expired All right, so I'll show you know that your license isn't good. This is it's not good It's been expired since 2016 and so E class learners, which means you're supposed to have someone 21 or older that's licensed with you So it's fine. I'm only giving you a citation. You do have to show up to court Here's take your ID back. You just got a sign saying that you're gonna show up All right, and you can keep my pen because you're covering a blood The officer issued a citation for the expired license and told Jared that he could not drive away He would need to call someone to pick him up. I'm gonna tell you this. You're not allowed to drive Okay, so I'm gonna pull the thing down. That's what I suggest. Yeah, listen, you're an adult You get caught driving. I mean it's there to get a show that you got it A court date, you know what I mean? So they're gonna they're gonna give me any breaks. Just gonna rest. Yeah Next the officers returned to questions about the blood By now they had noticed the scratches the small cuts on Jared's hands and forearms They knew that all the blood did not come from a nosebleed I don't know what else to tell you besides that I don't know They'll put all of your toes. It's like you paid them blood That's not just a note And if you're part of something actively bleeding from your elbow So that's just how it's Yeah, just stuff. I'll work with you. All right After stepping out of the vehicle Jared changed his story He admitted the blood hadn't come from his nose The blood all of your feet. There's one run from the nose to your feet the bleeding from the elbows, apparently, the knuckles are bleeding So what happens for real? I don't know if I was somebody and they they hit me and Just beat up Where does it happen in Boka? Yeah, do you want to report this? I mean I really know it's no big deal to me. I mean you beat the shit out of me pretty bad Who is this person? I don't really know him like that He was just somebody it was arguing with me After hearing his new explanation the officers requested EMTs to the scene and asked them to do a basic checkup on Jared At the same time they contacted Boka retarded dispatch to check for any reports of a fight Hey, it's Officer Smith with Delray PD Hey, I just pulled over a guy. His name's Jared Neumann. He said he got into a fight in Boka with somebody I'm trying to see if you guys any batteries Recently that you're looking for this dude He's he was covered in blood The Boka Raton dispatch reported no recent calls about a fight No one there was looking for Jared So the Delray officers had a decision to make What should they do with Jared and what should they do with his Ford Explorer? I got into the car And it looks like you live in it and you work out of it, so yeah, you able to call somebody. I'm really not Can you please like not? That's what I'm seeing if you can call somebody If you take that car I have nothing I understand that but it's also a liability on me if I knowingly let you Leave with the car and then something happens. It looks bad on me. It's gonna happen. I'm just gonna go over in your spot It is that's it. No Jared pleaded with the officers not to tow his vehicle He told them he worked out of it lived out of it It was all he had So the officers gave him a break They allowed him to move the vehicle to a nearby parking lot on the condition that he wouldn't drive again until his expired license situation was resolved Jared agreed and just like that he was free to go The next morning about 10 miles south and Boca Raton A parking garage employee arrived for work and discovered something waiting outside Something horrible He comes up to show for work. He turned it comes up the ramp. He sees the black peg right on the other side of that pillar There's a black bag don't know if it's connected enough But he sees it and and while he didn't see the blood yet because he's in his car He sees the bag and he's been here for like 15 years So he's used to seeing homeless people here. So right away he's thinking there's a homeless guy in here somewhere Makes the turn as he's coming up the ramp. He's looking straight at that. He sees that Doesn't know what condition he's in. He sees the blood shoots up top parks the car walks down sees him That calls 911 Normal multiplication of the emergency It is in the parking garage of one south ocean boulevard in Boca Raton Uh, there is a dead jet gentlemen here with a knife wound blood all over the place and he is dead not breathing. He is dead. Is he in a car? No, he's laying on his ground. Is he white black or Hispanic? White. Is the knife good enough? No, the handle is right by his head and the nice part is about four feet away from him on the ground. And where is the staff room? There's blood around his head and shoulders. And is there any kind of car around him? No, there's no car. It looks like a homeless person because he has his mats here and his coat and his flip-flop sandals. And nobody else is around. Did you see anybody going to leave as you were coming in? No, no. After the parking garage, worker discovered would appear to be a homeless man stabbed at death. He called 911 and detectives quickly arrived. What they found was an area saturated with blood and clear signs of a very brutal attack. Almost looks like he was sleeping there and he got attacked. Yeah. Alright, stay back over here. Yes, we've got some blood over here. I got footprints here. Just please watch. There's blood. Foot prints coming away from him. So yeah, please. As detectives processed the scene, they noticed a trail of bloody footprints leading away from the body. It didn't take long for them to form a theory about what happened. They assumed the homeless man had been sleeping in the parking garage when he was attacked and stabbed repeatedly. There were signs of a brief struggle. Then the killer must have fled. Yeah, there's a nice handle. There's next to him up there and then the blade is over here. It looks like he was sleeping and got attacked and then wound up over here and dropped. But whoever was with them, walk out this way. Yeah. Nearby detectives also recovered a murder weapon, a cheap knife, long, sharp and broken. Yeah, he fought. Yeah, he's got you can see slice wounds defensive. His hands are up on it. Yeah, he's got a stab where he broke the knife off. The hand broke the handle off the knife. It's a pretty good, pretty good blade knife still up there. Yeah. After several hours, the body was removed from the parking lot and transported to the medical examiner's office for a nausea. And hopefully, an identification. As detectives continued their work, word began to spread. The local media reported that a man had been found dead inside a Boca Raton parking lot. Residents woke up to the news of a violent crime in their community with few answers and no suspect and custody. Boca Raton police closed off the one OSHA plaza parking garage on Monday as they investigated how a man ended up dead with a knife wound. This section of A1A is a popular place for walkers and cyclists. Kevin Metzler says he's never seen this kind of crime around here. You know, pretty shocking. You know, East Boca Raton, you think it'd be very safe for air hopes. It's an isolated incident. It's sad and it could be just a one weird accident that happened. It could be something odd because I wouldn't anticipate that this would be the norm because this is a very, very lovely community. And as of right now, Boca Raton police haven't released any information about who the victim is and their death investigation continues. For a moment, the Boca Raton police had no suspect, no name, no clear direction. Just a body and a parking lot in a trail of bloody footprints leading away. What they didn't know, what no one in Boca Raton knew was just a few hours earlier. Adele Ray Beach traffic cop had already stopped the man responsible for this murder. He had blood on his face, on his chest, on his hands, and they just let him go. On the morning of February 3rd, 2020, Boca Raton detectives were investigating a fatal stabbing inside a parking lot. A man had been found dead. Bloody footprints let away from the scene. There was no suspect in custody. Just hours earlier, in a neighboring city, a patrol officer had stopped the white Ford Explorer driven by a young man covered in blood. The two encounters had not been connected yet. But that wouldn't last. After reviewing surveillance and processing the scene, detectives began zeroing in on a name. An arrest warrant was issued for 26-year-old Jared Noiman, and it didn't take long for Boca Raton police to find him. Once again, Jared was behind the wheel of a white Ford Explorer. But this time, when officers pulled him over, they approached him with their guns drawn. During this traffic stop, Jared was taken into custody without incident. His explorer was seized and Jared was brought into the police station, where two homicide detectives were waiting to question him. Before outright addressing their murder investigation, the detectives took their time and began the interview by asking Jared about his background. From the start, something about Jared's responses felt a little off. He didn't appear nervous or confused. But his answers were guarded, and they didn't always add up. Follow-up questions about his background often contradicted details he had just mentioned moments earlier. Did they work? Yeah, my mom's working. What did they do? My mom's a nurse. I'm not really sure what my dad does. I stopped talking to him. Oh, you guys have fun? I like a fun. I just, you know, nobody in the family really talks to him. I don't talk to him. I probably don't talk to him. Why is that? It's just, I don't know. He's just a weird person. Do you have mental problems or drugs? I think he does, but he won't admit it. He's like the type of person that tells everyone else they're crazy, and then everyone else is saying, "No, you're crazy." And he's like, "No, I'm not." You know, so, you know, he just distance yourself from people like that. What was the last time you saw them? It's been a few years. Oh, really? How about your mom? It's been a start of a year, is it? Next, the detectives shifted their focus to a key piece of the investigation. Jared's vehicle, the white Ford Explorer. That car that you have, does anyone else drive it? You're the only one that drives it? Yeah. Because there was some tools and stuff, and there were those who were, uh, that's for work. I guess so. What do you do with those? There was a painting job I had. What kind of painting? Um, oh, what do you mean? Like interior, exterior, outside finishes and business. Uh, just, uh, exterior paint. Okay. How's it going to do that? Um, what is it? This is like. We're just not curious, we're just trying to get in though, because we saw that start the next flight. And it almost seems like there's more than one person. Really weird questions. No, it just seems like there's more than one person living in the car and stuff like that. One person living in the car. There's a lot of stuff. Right, right. For more than one person, yeah. Just you? Yeah. Okay. And you said it was registered to you? Yeah. First, Jared told detectives he worked at Firehouse Sups. But when asked about the tools and supplies in his explorer, he claimed to also be a painter. The story didn't really add up. And detectives already knew the vehicle wasn't registered to Jared. they also knew that he wasn't the only person living out of it. - Oh, yeah, that car. - Oh, man, two years. - Oh, cool. - And you live in a car? And that way you get-- - Yeah, I do live in a car. - Where do you normally stay? Like, where do you park it at night? - I like, probably, like, in the parking lot. - Here at Balco? - Yeah. - You know, my car's gonna find me in the back. - Um, just towards the back. - Okay, what do you do to clean up and stuff? - My, I'm a person with LA Fitness. - Hello, okay. - Fitness and shower. - The detectives also questioned Jared about his criminal history. Even though they already knew this wasn't his first encounter with law enforcement. - Have you ever been in trouble before? - In what? Have you ever had a right to do you? - Yeah. - What were you in trouble before? - Um, just like, just like, small altercations, you know, stuff that, you know, I just made a mistake and, you know, to make a decision. - Nothing major. - You know, all of them are done the same thing. - Yeah. - Full bad decisions. - Anything recent? Not really. - None of what Jared told detectives about his record was true. At just 26 years old, he had already accumulated a growing list of pretty serious criminal charges. - Police say this isn't Neumann's first run in with the law. He was arrested on February 22nd and June 19th for simple battery against strangers. And he was interviewed by law enforcement in October after posting Facebook comments with threats to kill, do bodily injury or conduct a mass shooting or an act of terrorism. - After hearing Jared lie about his record and the ownership of the Ford Explorer, detectives shifted their focus to the night before. The bloody traffic stop in Delray Beach. When the Delray cops asked why Jared had been covered in blood, he offered a simple explanation. He claimed he'd been in the fight. - So to take you back to again, when this incident happened last night, 'cause that's the main thing that we're concerned about is this person trying to locate them. - I don't know. I don't know. It's information. - You don't have anything else? - Yeah, they're phone number or anything like that. - I don't know them like that. - Okay. - So after you left the traffic stop in Delray, did you go anywhere to clean yourself up? - I mean, what is all this for? Why am I being questioned and all this stuff? - Well, you had a lot of blood on you right last night when you came into work. - That's my problem, really. - Right, but when a violent crime happens in vocal, then it becomes our problem, 'cause we have somebody out there who might be successful. - I can't go get the guy for you. I don't know where he lives. I don't know. I can't like that. - Well, there's just certain things that you've been telling us that just kind of don't like, there are like really easy questions that like it seems like you're not telling us the truth on. - After pressing Jared a bit more, detectives were able to get him to give up a few more details about this supposed fight that he had. - He just approached me, he was very aggressive, and we argued for a minute and then he started attacking me and I fought back and we just kind of got into a fight and eventually, you know, he just stopped and got tired and just walked off and I walked off and that was it. - Where did this happen at? - It wasn't Boca. - Oh, like where? - It was like somewhere in your motto, like I was walking, you know, and he just approached me. I've seen him a couple of times, like he kind of knows me, but I really. - Do you know what I do? My mom was a pretty big girl. - Yeah. - He was like, "I don't know, I don't know." - Like I don't know, like I was like just walking on it and like, like paid him just considerably where I was. - And who's the guy that confronts you? - I don't know the name. - How do you know what Mike has, he seems like. - I've just seen him a couple of times, like he's talked to me before, like briefly, but like. - Where are you super, where are you seeing that? - I was just like around like here and there. - Can you describe him? - I mean, like how? - Male, female, male, white. - Black, Hispanic, black, black, male? - Yeah, black male. - But I'm old. - I don't know how old he is. - I have no idea, I mean, 20, 30, 40, I don't know. - Do you think you got the best of him or he got the best of you? - He definitely got the best of me. - Oh really? So you got the worst with the cuts and everything? - Yeah, he was fine, I mean. How annoying is it when people are vague like this? Intentionally obtuse. Tell me you're lying without telling me you're lying. As detectives continued pressing for specifics, his demeanor began to shift. For the first time, Jared's composure appeared to slip. - Where'd you get them going after work? - Just to my car, eh? - If there's something else going on, you want to tell us about you, why you're excited about something? - Me? - You just looked like you got lost in thought for a second. I just wanna make sure that there's not a missing piece to this that you're holding back on anything. All right? - Yeah, okay. - Okay. - Up to this point, the detectives had allowed Jared room to talk, to explain, to revise, to hedge. But eventually, that changed. Detectives stopped trying to understand his story and began challenging it. And when we know it didn't happen on your motto, and we know that your car wasn't at the McDonald's, and we kinda know where you are. - All right. - So what can you tell us about what actually happened? - I don't have any more information. I just, whatever I said is what I was saying. - Were you by the beach yesterday? - What is this about? - This is asking you, were you by the beach yesterday? - I don't wanna answer any more questions. - Do you feel like I'm being on target or something? - The shift in the detectives' tone had a noticeable effect. Jared began to retreat. His answers grew shorter, then he stopped answering all together. But the detectives didn't ease up. They doubled down and confronted Jared with more of the inconsistencies in a story. - We know that you were by the beach last night, okay? You're on video at 7-11, okay? We know, I don't know why, you're distancing yourself from your dad, you don't wanna talk about your dad. We know the vehicles who I just showed to him. Okay, it's not registered to you. We know that you guys were together in the vehicle a month ago, right? You got arrested. You got into a domestic with him, you were living down here with him. And you're relying on Thomas that he's living with his mom somewhere. So there's all these things that you're telling us that you're lying to us about. And I think it's because you're upset with what happened last night, understandably, okay? But you need to tell us the truth about what exactly happened because you're lying, there's all these things that we know that you're lying about. But we just need to know exactly what happened. - What did happen? So we need you to tell us, Jared. - Can you tell me? 'Cause I don't know what happened. - After more than an hour of questioning the detectives stopped circling. They moved directly to the reason why Jared was in that room. The bloody and fatal stabbing in the parking lot. - So we saw how much blood there was on you. I also see the injuries that you have. All that blood was not your blood. - Okay. - So that blood's going to be in your car, okay? And you know that that's going to come back to you? - What? - Who's the blood going to come back to you? - What do you mean? - In your car, the blood in your car that was all over you that's not yours because you only had a couple small injuries. - I didn't even see any blood in my car. - There was blood all over you last night. All over your face, all over both of your arms, all over your pant legs, all over your feet. - Now you can see it on the outside of your car and on your arm rest and on the center console from standing outside your car, you can see it. - That blood, that was a lot of blood. - We know who you got to fight with. We need you to tell us who you got to fight with. We know the person. - I don't know the person. - We do. - How do you know the person when you're just telling when you're just asking me about them? - 'Cause we're seeing how honest you were gonna be with us and we don't take your honest at all. - Next, the detectives turn their attention to the victim. They already knew who he was and so did Jared. - Since that's your dad's car, how do we get to hold your dad to tell him that's his car and we have it because we got to release him to somebody. Where is he? Do you have a number from him? - No. - What was the last time you saw him? - Why even? - Why is that a tough question for you? - It's really not. It's just, I don't even know why I'm being asked. Where are you okay? - It's one of the less time you saw your dad. 'Cause I wouldn't let you accept the mom. - We need to get his car back to him. - No, I'm the one using it. You don't understand. It's registered to him. - Okay. - The law is the only one that can get the car back. - Okay, then he can come get it. Why don't you even use to get it? - He won't know where it's at. - Yeah, we need to contact him. - I can contact him. - How? - I just don't want to answer my questions. - What was the last time you saw your dad? - When was the last time you saw him? - Well, I'm going to say today, today. - The victim in this homicide investigation, the man found brutally stabbed to death inside a Boko Ratan parking lot was 59-year-old J. Neumann. He was Jared's father. - So obviously, Jared, we're here about your dad. And when we can talk about my dad, we can't be any more clear about that. - Why are you here about my dad? Tell us. I would like you to tell me. Why are you here about my dad? What happened? - I think it's obvious that you know because all the questions that you've been avoiding today have had some sort of relation to your dad. There's certain things that you've been honest about. "Well, I'm certain things that you've lied about and every single thing that you've lied about is how to do it with your dad." "What was going on?" When the conversation turned to his father, Jared responded the same way he had all along. He acted as if he didn't understand what the detectives were asking. It's like all of a sudden he doesn't understand English. Some people were really suck at lying. "So fortunate, Jared. What really is?" "What is fortunate?" "Because, as my partner said, you're well aware of where you're here and you're well aware of the situation that's going on." "No, I'm not. I'm sitting here and you sit here and act like you are." "I thought you were more of a man and I thought you were more of a decent person." "I don't know." "Let's say, like, good." "Really? And much too many. I'm homeless. I'm poor. I fucking. I'm sorry to excuse." "I'm not a good person, I'm just saying that I'm not a great person. I'm homeless. I'm poor. I don't have a lot of stuff in my life." When confusion failed, Jared changed his approach. And he cast himself as a victim, of course. Aww, poor little Jawid. Yet, even in that shift towards self-pity, the story remained inconsistent. "So you don't even know what it's my dad." "But we need to confront it before we say it." "You think it is?" "So you don't know." "Well, yeah." "So, like, that's fine. You just don't really know." "I don't know." "You just don't know." "I don't know." "Hey, I don't want to tell you." "Say, like, you don't want to tell me, like, you don't have to tell me anything." "Are you sure?" "Yeah, I mean, I know everything in my life is fine, so it is." "So you said it shipped two minutes ago." Despite Jared's attempts to steer the conversation elsewhere, detectives kept bringing it back to his father. You know, the victim. Before long, they raised a recent incident, one that had resulted in Jared getting arrested for assaulting his dad. "So what I'm asking is, I don't want to pisses me off about my dad. I'm trying to figure out what set you off that day." "But that little assault charge that they dropped because they didn't even have evidence." "That's my course." "What is that?" "Yeah." "It was nothing. He was like a whim. He just called the police." "But, like, what? Why? Like, what is a whim? It's like, you know, he's like the first person to just like jump on the phone and call 911." "Does he like get pissed off at you? Are you working as hard as you should?" "I don't know. I don't know anything about my dad. I don't know. Like, I never knew him since the day I was born to now. I never knew a single thing about him because he doesn't like to share. He doesn't like to communicate." "Stand office?" "Yeah. I mean, he's in his own little egotistical world with all the revolts around him. So, I can't, you know, it's like when talking to a wall when I talk to him." "Right. So, how do you get your point across?" "I don't." "You don't?" "No, I should get ignored." Bringing up the recent assault shifted the tone of the interview. Jared began speaking more freely about his father, about their relationship, the tension between them. So, the detectives leaned into that and let Jared continue. When somebody starts digging, Hannah must shovel. "I mean, some people just don't like that. No, I mean, no matter how much you talk to them and how much you say, you're not going to get to them." "Well, yeah, this is frustrating. You know, I'm going to try to cooperate with somebody and they don't want to cooperate. You know, you--." "Well, what are you trying to cooperate on?" They're saying, "Everything, I tried everything to cooperate and have agreement and peace and he was not interested." Captain Vagnes began to unload his frustrations about his father. Before long, the detectives attempted to steer the conversation towards a resolution, offering him a softer path forward. But they asked him to tell them what really happened. "The picture that you kind of painted, I'm kind of on your side as to what you're going through and what your dad was putting you through and the pressure you were feeling and the personality conflict. So, I can understand that if something happened between you guys and you tell us what actually happened and stop beating around the bush." "I don't even know what you're even talking about." "Last night." "Okay." "Tell us what happened. It's not that hard. It's work-based." "Like, what did I do last night?" "Yeah." The strategy didn't work. Jared retreated once again, responding as though he didn't understand what detectives were asking. The conversation stalled circling back over a ground they had already covered. "I want you to tell me about what you got into your most recent argument about." "The most recent argument." "Who?" "Why do you want to know what the most recent argument was about?" "Because, everything here revolves around your dad." "Everything here, what's the reason why we're hearing it?" "Oh, it revolves around my dad." "Okay, so, are you going to tell me what happened with my dad?" "That's what I want you to tell me." "And I want you to tell me." "Oh, I know what happened with my dad." "Because you're with him." "What do you mean with him?" "You were with him." "What?" "Early good this morning." Yet again, the detectives shifted tactics. They returned to confronting Jared with the inconsistencies and his statements. "So, the dad who you told us earlier tonight, lived with his mom in Ohio." "We just listened. Your dad's mom is deceased. He doesn't live with her, and then you told us that you hadn't had any contact with him in years, but she just pointed out a case a month ago where you were arrested because you and him were fighting in a parking lot. And then we just asked you a question, if you and him lived in the truck, and you said, "Yes." And then I asked you if his stuff is in the truck and you said, "Yes." "Right?" "Is that correct?" "Why don't I add that to that?" "You know, that's just serious question I'm asking that showed you're being deceitful, and you said you believe in the truth and you believe in facts. So obviously you're lying because you don't believe in the truth and you don't believe in facts." "Is that correct?" "I just said to you, yes or no, you just said, "Okay, do my head and do another world I need to do that. I apologize." "He's trying to explain to you all the things that you lied about today." "Yeah, I feel like I have to put my business out there like that, you know?" "Well, when it comes to matters that are involving the police and the reasons that were functioning you, then yeah, it matters." "Well, yeah, well, it may matter, but it's still my business, and if I don't want to share my personal business with other people that I don't know who aren't doing anything good for me." "Right, but how do you think that's going to look for you?" "Look, in terms of what?" Next, the detectives began laying out the physical evidence. Step by step, they explained how it contradicted Jared's claim of being attacked, and instead pointed to him as the attacker. "Do you know what the evidence is telling me right now?" "You said I injured the person." "It's telling me that you were the aggressor." "Really?" "Mm-hmm." "So that's why I'm asking you for your side of the story, because all the physical evidence and my physical evidence, I mean the blood, everything else that's on scene, the videos or surveillance, your phone, everything, all of that is telling me that you were the aggressor in this situation, and without knowing the reasoning, we're kind of stuck, and I don't want to picture you as a bad person who would just go out and do something for no reason. I don't think that's the case. I think that there's a reason for what happened, but unfortunately, unless you tell us, walls we're stuck with is the facts on what we're looking at, and the facts don't make you seem very good." "I didn't know that he was injured that bad, but I mean, I thought I was more injured than him. I didn't see them getting injured. I was alone on the ground. He was standing over me." Despite the evidence, Jared continued to insist that he had been attacked, not his father, but by an unknown black man he claimed had confronted him. Yet again, detectives challenged this claim immediately, then the tone in the room shifted. The evidence wore thin, and this interrogation began to break down completely. "I'm not sure if you're going to be able to see that, but I'm sure that you're going to be, I'm going to be able to see that." "You're not going to be able to see that, but I'm sure you're going to be able to see that." "I'm sure that you're going to be able to see that, but I'm sure that you're not going to be able to see that." "I'm sure that you're going to be able to see that, but I'm sure that you're going to be able to see that." "I'm sure that you're going to be able to see that, but I'm sure that you're going to be able to see that." "I'm sure that you're going to be able to see that, but I'm sure that you're going to be able to see that." I had a, uh, a, uh, a laser report, it's a, it's a force to choose the laser. Yeah, and it's the new scientific invention. You know, again, the smudge she said before the Smarter Elk answers when you're sitting here. I mean, you're, you're at a particular track to the, I asked you if you had a weapon. And I already answered you, so do you know? I think you didn't take my word for it. You can't pass through me. So none of you can just do me a favor. Now, do you expect us to take over your workboard when you lie to us so many times? I don't think I don't take my word for anything. You apparently have images for what you need. We're giving you more and more chances to try to be honest with us. And we already told you one out of you, we want the why. Why, why would? Eventually, the detectives stepped back. The interview had reached a standstill. But before they left the room, something unexpected happened. Something that doesn't happen often during a police interrogation. The suspect freely admitted that much of what he said wasn't true. Jared delivered this admission calmly and casually, with an unusual confidence. He acknowledged that he had lied. But when detectives left him alone in the interrogation room, his composure didn't hold up. Jared broke down and began sobbing uncontrollably. Jared! Hey. Did you hear some noises coming out of your ear, right? Yeah. What's going on? What's going on, dude? What's got you so upset? What you did? You're crying. Don't look. There's water coming out of your eyes. Believing they were on the verge of a breakthrough, the detectives reentered the room. They tried to steady Jared with that big brother, big sister thing they do. To reason with him, to guide him towards a full account of what had happened. But, in this moment, didn't hold. I think you're fine, Jared, between taking responsibility to this and not. I, like I said, I, I, you know, as far as I know, I didn't do anything. So, I'm going to travel the out of evidence and you can get a conviction and good for you. I'm going to be going to travel. All right, let's go back to you, buddy. All right, good luck to you. The interrogation finally came to an end. Detectives had challenged Jared, pressed him, confronted him with the inconsistencies and the evidence. But without a clear admission and without enough established probable cause for murder, their options were limited. Jared was booked on a traffic offense and then he was released. After hours inside that interrogation room, after the blood, after the contradictions, Jared walked out of the station a free man. For the moment, there was nothing that law enforcement could do to stop him. On the night of February 2, 2020, a white Ford Explorer was pulled over and Delray Beach, Florida. The driver was 26-year-old Jared Neumann. He was calm, cooperative, and covered in blood. Jared offered shifting explanations and was eventually allowed to park his vehicle and walk away. The next morning about 10 miles from that traffic stop, inside a Boca Raton parking garage, a man was found stabbed to death. Detectives recovered a broken knife near his body and a trail of bloody footprints leading away from the scene. The victim was identified as 59-year-old Jay Neumann. By the time detectives brought Jared in for questioning, they believed the evidence pointed directly at him. Inside the interrogation room, Jared deflected. He contradicted himself. He blamed a stranger. He broke down. But without a clear admission and without enough to establish probable cause for murder, detectives were forced to release him. For a brief time, Jared Neumann was a free man. But then something unexpected happened. The following day, Jared returned to the Boca Raton Police Department and asked to speak with detectives. Again. "Did you say you wanted to talk to me?" "Yeah, what's up?" "I would just like to confess to the murder of my father." "Okay, I appreciate you coming in and man it up and saying that." Jared didn't only return to the police station. He came back to confess to killing his father. And when he began speaking, he gave detectives what they had been trying to uncover since the beginning. Jared told them why. "I think I just had a huge lapse of judgment on my dad. I mean, I'm not trying to make excuses for why I did what I did because there's no excuse for it. I was very stressed out and unhappy but I constantly disrespect me and I felt like I was being bullied in a harassed. And when I was in jail in prison and around all these criminalized people, they'd always talked about how when people do bad things to you, you have to stand up for yourself and you have to usually retaliate with violence. And it's been so great in my head that I was consistently on a consistent basis thinking about violence when people were mean to me. And I didn't know how to make them stop otherwise. My dad would always call the police on me if I got violent towards them like physically. And then, you know, it just got to a point where I was like the only way to make it stop is to do this. I didn't know what I was doing, I didn't know what I deserved that. I just didn't know what I did until it was over and I realized what I did. I didn't understand what the hell did I just do. As Jared explained why he killed his father, his tone was much different than a day ago. The defiance, the guarded answers were gone, and their place was something else. Whether it was remorse, guilt, or simply exhaustion, it sounded real. My dad didn't deserve that. I mean, he wasn't the nicest person to me, but I don't think he deserved to die like that. It was horrible. I remember every second of all. We didn't do that. I just felt like I was pushed too far and I just reacted in a bad way. After Jared explained why, the detectives turned to the details, asking him to walk them through exactly what had happened between him and his father. Does he always sleep outside of the car and you sleep in the car? Even when it's cold out? I mean, usually it takes two blankets or he will sleep in this corridor spot. Where was the car parked? On the first floor. Where was he sleeping at? He was upstairs on the higher floors. So what happened that let up take me through the act of what happened? Nothing really happened that made that happen. I just thought of it. I just came over me. Jared admitted he had been contemplating his father's death for some time. And on a cold February night, he put that thought into motion. I know this part is hard to talk about, but can you tell me exactly what he did to him? He was sleeping and I walked out and I had a knife in my hand. I think the blanket was over his head and I pulled the blanket off. I think I started stabbing him in the throat, blood telling me to stop. I didn't, you know, I said no and I know what I was doing at all. And he fell on the ground as a boy and I started choking him and I just told him just to go to sleep. Stop fighting, just go to sleep. I still like to leave his eyes and everything. Jared described the attack as sudden, chaotic and bloody. He stabbed his father repeatedly. There was a brief struggle. In the end, Jared. was overpowered. The assault was so forceful that the blade of the knife eventually snapped from its handle. "Where the knife that you use, how did you get that?" "About $1.00.00." "That day or earlier?" "That day." "What was that?" "Earlier that day." "So you went in there and you bought that knife, did you buy anything else with it?" "At the dollar store?" "Mm-hmm." "Yeah, I bought a bunch of trash bags and some gloves." "When you went to the dollar store and decided to buy that knife, is that what you were thinking about it?" "Well, that's why I bought the knife, yeah." "To kill your dad?" "Yeah." By Jared's own account, this killing wasn't spontaneous. He admitted to planning it. And he even admitted to thinking about the better option, which would have been to simply walk away from his father and start over somewhere else. "And it was hard to decide that, to just deal with things, but I told myself, you know, like, maybe I just need to work hard and do the right thing, you know, and just like, just move out when the time comes and then I can buy all my own stuff, you know, I don't have to do anything to him and take his stuff and, you know, yeah, I don't know, like, just something, like, just something, for whatever reason I ended up going back in there and just decided to buy the stuff anyway and I just put it in the car." As Jared continued explaining his reasoning and his thought process, the grievances he described began to feel smaller. He characterized his father as abusive, harsh, controlling, and difficult to live with. But when pressed for specifics, the examples he offered painted a picture that was much less extreme. "Like, in all honesty, I was tired of, you know, kind of being, like, walking over early in the mornings and, you know, kind of being stressed out and, you know, I mean, you know, as I thought things like, oh, like, you know, if I kill him, I'll just be able to, like, take the car, just like, be able to sleep and, you know, my life will be better, I'll be free and I won't have to deal with this anymore and stupid shit like that, you know. You know, I tried everything I knew how to do and this was the only thing I didn't try. So I thought it was my only option. I didn't realize what I was doing." Jared and his father were living out of a Ford Explorer. At night, Jared slept inside the vehicle and his father often slept outside. But Jay had to wake up early for work. When he did, he would wake Jared up as well, start the engine and drive to a painting job. Jared resented that. He didn't want to be woken up. He wanted to sleep all day. And over time, that resentment deepened into something very dark. Jared saw only one way out, for some reason. So he decided to kill his father. And as part of that plan, he even went as far as to dig a shallow grave. "Uh, actually, I did, you know, about 1 a.m., I went over to the beach and actually started to take a hole that I wasn't going to put in the body in. It was right out on the beach by some grass, there's like a huge hole like that." "Okay. And was it within view of people, no?" "Well, it was pitch, you know, dark outside, so I don't think anyone really saw it, but like by morning, I'm sure they would have seen it, yeah." After digging a grave on the beach, Jared returned to the parking garage where his father was sleeping. By then, the decision to kill had already been made. "So after that, where do you go once you give up on digging the hole?" "I think I just went straight to, I went to the car, I waited a little bit because my arms were hurting from digging the hole, and then I just was like, you know what, you know, it's time, basically, and I went up and I just kind of did it." "And when you walked up to him, when you first walked up to him, was it slow or fast or?" "Um, I think it kind of moved, like, not like slow, slow, but kind of like, kind of creeped up on, I guess." Jared approached his father, barefoot, hoping not to wake him. In his hand was the dollar store knife he had purchased earlier, then Jared struck. "Do you remember where you hit him with a knife first?" "Right, he has a knife." "And he was sleeping when you, when that first set, when you first set him in?" "When I first met him, I mean, I was sleeping." "Okay, and did he wake up immediately when that happened?" "Yeah, did he see anything?" "Did he say anything to you?" "He told me to stop." "Okay. Did he say anything else?" "Um, I don't think so. I don't remember, well, I don't think so." "Is there a log one?" "Yes." "Okay." "What happened after he was stabbed in the first time?" "He jumped out and was screaming." "He so he stood up?" "Well, yeah, he jumped up really fast and, like, started trying to fight me off, and he was telling me, Jared, stop, and I, you know, I said, no." "And did you just stab him the one time and then get back up, or did he hit him a couple times?" "Did he hit him a couple times?" "Do you know, if he had to guess how many times would you think that he had hit him?" "I don't know exactly what I would say, several, so, I mean, maybe, like, I couldn't even count him at least four or five times, stabbed him, and it was that when it was all in the neck area, or. "I think so, yeah." "Okay." An autopsy later determined that Jane Norman had been stabbed 27 times. And the wounds were not confined to his neck. They were spread across his body. "So, he got dropped?" "No, that actually didn't work." "Oh, it broke?" "Yeah, and, uh, so the piece is just fell over." "When, that first time when he stabbed him a couple times, where did the other stabs come? If the knife broke?" "Um, I actually stabbed him a couple times with the broken knife." "With the broken knife?" "Yeah, I was like a little piece left, but I kept stabbing him." "Okay." During the attack, Jay tried to fight off his son. Defensive wounds on his body confirmed there had been a struggle. But in the end, Jared, the son, overpowered the father. "And then what happens now that you're both standing?" "Um, I, for some reason, I can't remember this part, but at some point, we both ended up on the ground, and I was on top of him choking him." "And then what happens?" "I'm just kept telling him to go to sleep, and, um, so I don't remember everything I said, but I just remember, um, saying that he was very cruel to me, and, you know, I think I remember I said I didn't want to do this to him, and that he was, that I said I was very cruel to me, and I probably said a couple of other things, but I don't remember what that was really it until he got passed away." Jay Neumann's final moments were violent and horrific. While bleeding out from more than two dozen stab wounds, the last thing he saw was his own son choking him to death. Burn that image into the back of your redna. Imagine seeing your own son choking the life out of you. "How did you know that he was dead?" "I saw the life leave, was I?" "Okay. Did you see him breathing at all?" "It's not like he was breathing, but, like, his body was, like, reacting, like, like he was, like, trying to have air or something, and I kept, I thought, yeah, I thought maybe it was still a lot, so I kept, like, forcing his windpipe down, and, uh, but then I realized, like, my hand took my hands off, it was just his body, like, doing something that he was dead, and, like, I took my hands off, and, like, when the huge amount of air, like, sucked into him, I got off of him." After killing his father, Jared abandoned his plan to move the body to the beach. It was a pretty fucking dumb plan to begin with, because a lot of people like to go to the beach. It's a very populated area, so, probably not a great place to bury a body. And, again, this homeless idiot was a homeless idiot, so he simply fled the scene, leaving Jay where he had fallen, evidence and all. The crime would not be discovered until the following morning. I tried to use the trash bag, but then I just, like I saw across the apartment that there was a light on, and I didn't know if I was being washed or something, so I got really scared, and as I said, "Oh, I can't be here," or something like that, and then I got in the car and just, you know, I took his keys and I got in the car and just took off immediately. And then, yeah, and then I just started heading north, and then, that's when I got the library police stop me and saw the blood all over me. After pulling Jared over and finding him covered in blood, Delray Beach police allowed him to walk away. He wouldn't be arrested or questioned about his father's death until, after Jay's body, was discovered. During that initial interview, Jared lied repeatedly as detectives pressed him for the truth and tried to uncover a motive. But the following day, he returned to the police station, and this time, explained why he did it. You know, I just wanted to get up, he was saying, you know, he used to go to work and stuff. He was, "Oh, right." He was talking about, "Okay, well, if you don't want to get woken up, just sleep outside, you can take the blankets." I said, "No, I can't do that." I said, "It's too cold, I can't do it." And then he said, "I don't know how it got to the point where it was, for some reason, he's He said, "Would you make your happy box left outside?" And I just said, "Yeah." This confession eventually ended and detectives left the room. Jared remained seated at the table. The camera's still recording alone. In the interrogation room, he began to speak out loud. Not to the detectives, but to his father. After getting all that down, I'm sure you're very furious. I don't have an excuse for what's wrong with me. I don't know. I'm sure you're very angry. You can be mad at me. I do what's wrong, I'm stupid. I should have never did that. You don't have to forgive me. It was wrong. Very wrong. Try to turn myself in, okay? So, I'm trying to do what I can to make up for you. No, I can never make up for it. I'm trying to do the right thing. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm just sick going in. I'm sorry, I'm so sick. I'm sorry. A short time later, Jared was escorted out of the interrogation room in formerly booked on murder charges. When he's six-year-old, Jared Neumann is now charged with first-degree murder after police say he turned himself into and confessed to murdering his father in this parking garage Monday morning. Police also say surveillance video identified Neumann as a suspect. Police say Neumann confessed to stabbing and strangling his father as he slept because he did not like the way his father treated him. Neumann remains in jail for premeditated first-degree murder with no bond. He's scheduled to appear in court Thursday morning. After his arrest, Jared's legal battle began. Any remorse he had expressed during his confession faded away, as he entered a plea of not guilty. Much like any sympathy you may have had for him should have faded away. After learning that this manipulative sociopath murdered his own father admitted to it and rather than accept responsibility and take punishment, he pleads not guilty because why not waste a bunch of taxpayer money also? That trial, Jared claimed he'd killed his father and self-defense. That claim unraveled during cross-examination. Mr. Neumann, your statement in the police is so different than it is today, right? A little bit. Well, now you're saying you bought a knife for self-defense, right? Oh, so you can kill your father and self-defense, what you bought the knife? I wanted to protect myself, yes. So you planned out this self-defense where you were purchasing a knife in anticipation of self-defense? If I needed to, yeah. Right. And you bought trash bags and self-defense? Yeah, I did. Well, no. I was thinking if that happened, I would, like, I was like stupid and I was thinking there was like a way to hide this body, but it wasn't. Right. You're going to hide a body and self-defense, too. That's part of your plan. Well, if I kill somebody's self-defense, I don't want like, you know, to hide this body somewhere, right? It seemed like I did. You bought gloves to defend yourself as well, right? Well, I didn't want to leave fingerprints. Right. You don't want to get caught when you killed, when you killed them in self-defense, right? Right. You've done a whole lot of the beach in self-defense, right? Um, I, that was like stupid, but I guess, yeah, I was like thinking, uh, that I could have buried him, but I didn't, I wasn't able to do that. During the trial, prosecutors argued that Jared's claim of self-defense was a lie. Because it was a story constructed after the fact to avoid responsibility. They told jurors the evidence showed something much more deliberate. Jared had grown resentful of his father, planned the killing meticulously, and then carried it out. Hours upon hours of conversations with police officers telling them what happened in all these lives, right? Yeah. And the first time you came up with this story was, today, five years after you murdered your father. Right? Um, I just might have said it differently. Okay. Well, when did you make up this story about what you just, when did it come to you and your mind to make up this story? Uh, I, I was, it's not a story I made up, I mean, I was just not telling the police everything. You know, like you're dead? No. Right? You're dead, uh, maybe a little bit, uh, prosecutors also emphasized a critical detail. When Jay Neumann was attacked, he was asleep. They argued that fact alone undermined any claim of self-defense. You can't get attacked by someone who's unconscious. Then we learned that from the door-dash girl. When you stabbed them with the knife, he wasn't awake, right? Yes. Eyes were closed. Yes. And you took off your shoes so that he wouldn't hear you coming. Right? Yes. And do you remember how in the police that he told you to stop? Yes. Right? Yes. Right? Yes. And you didn't stop? No. You stabbed them multiple times. Yes. Some of them to his back. Because I'm back. When you stabbed someone to the back, that's not self-defense, right? If you were trying to defend yourself and you had to keep hitting them, maybe hit them in the back by accident, defend yourself from a sleeping man? Uh, no. No. But I mean, if it was like a situation where somebody was doing something, uh, defended yourself from a person that's asleep on the ground? No. Unsurprisingly, the jury sided with prosecutors and returned to guilty verdict. Jared was convicted of first degree murder and sentenced to life in prison for killing his father. What happened to your dad that things kind of spiraled in you and him are living out of his truck together? Did he just have a bad turn of events? Is this one bad? What was the. You can ask him. But that's kind of like going from having a business and a condo and that, to you guys living out of the same truck. It's kind of. That's his problem. I don't tell him how it's saying it's about him. I'm just curious as to the mismanaged money that someone take advantage of him. Drugs alcohol? I have drunk. I'm not that involved. It's unclear how or why Jay Neumann ultimately found himself living out of a Ford Explorer with his son. What we do know was that life inside that vehicle wasn't easy for either of them. Living in such close quarters is hard. The space is small, the privacy, nonexistent. Every little frustration lingers a bit longer when there's nowhere to escape it. By all accounts, Jay was trying to make it work. Friends had offered him a place to stay, a way out. But he refused. He knew his son was struggling and he didn't want to leave him alone. At the same time, Jay understood that Jared could be violent and volatile. Having his son into a friend's home simply wasn't an option. So Jay chose another path. He continued living out of his vehicle alongside his son. That kind of loyalty is difficult to measure. It's the quiet, stubborn kind of love that doesn't disappear when things get messy. The kind that stays, even when staying, is the hardest thing on earth. Jay chose to remain with his son. Tragically his son chose something else. In the end, this wasn't a crime born of imminent danger or desperate survival. It was a calculated decision, rooted in resentment, in small grievances that were allowed to grow unchecked, dealt with by an emotionally immature idiot. Jay Neumann stayed with his child when others might have walked away. And that choice cost him his life. Some people spend their entire life searching for unconditional love. Jay Neumann died by giving it. Well that does it for another tragedy, I don't know why you guys listen to this stuff, but I guess it's nothing new. I mean the Greeks love their tragedy, right? So not much has changed in thousands of years. I don't suspect much will change in thousands of years. Until next week, stay safe. [Motor] [Motor] [Motor]