Episode 333: Carnivore Q&A with Dr Anthony Chaffee | Jan 12, 2026

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Show it. This is weird for some reasons. Showing this is very small on my screen so I can't even see this properly. It's very weird. Come on. All right, that's not helping out either. Okay. Sorry, I'm going to return with this here. Okay, so so a question from Terminator. There's things that it's so small on my screen, like I can hardly even read this stupid thing. Okay, so a question. So excited about the new, but does it look like a question? Oh, yeah, so so excited about the new USA dietary guidelines, what are your thoughts and expectations? Well, it's great that things are sort of moving and going in the right and looking in the right direction, you know, like talking about just eating real food, you know, this whole food. I mean, that's really important and that you should eat meat, you should prioritize meat and those sorts of things. I was a bit disappointed that they didn't change the recommendation on the limitation of saturated fat. They said they were ending the, you know, the 50-year war on saturated fat, but then I didn't actually change the recommendations on the amount of saturated fat. Hopefully that was a typo. Hopefully they changed that, but that is that's that's one of the things that has the most evidence for it. Now, it's getting rid of that is saturated fat. I mean, we have umbrella reviews, look at meta-analyses, the meta-analyses of randomized control trials, showing that there's absolutely no connection whatsoever between cholesterol or sorry, saturated fat intake and cardiovascular disease. In fact, it's protective against strokes, so more saturated fat can be the less strokes you have. So that's one of those things that we have the most evidence on, and as far as dietary guidelines, even in that umbrella review, posted in the Journal of American College of Cardiology in 2020, the state of the art review on saturated fat and cardiovascular disease, they even said in there that, and these were people that had previously been on the guidelines and committees for making that restriction, keeping that restriction of saturated fat, that they even said themselves, there should be no arbitrary upper limit on saturated fat consumption. There is no upper safe upper limit on saturated fat consumption. It's just safe. You just eat it. It's fine. So that's something we have the most data on. I look at this as a step in the right direction. Hopefully, in the future, we'll get more steps in the right direction. I really don't want to wait five years to get that saturated fat taken off as, who knows, who's going to be in charge of things, then those things could screw things up, you know, royally, then as well. I think it's really important to strike what the iron is hot and get that out of there, that arbitrary limit on saturated fat needs to go. It's incorrect. It's a high time that it goes. But it is definitely a step in the right direction. You definitely see some people's heads exploding. Oh my goodness. You shouldn't even blah, blah, blah. There's no evidence for restricting me none. And no high level evidence, anyway. Not even proper epidemiological evidence. There's a lot of epidemiological evidence that is done in honest form that show actually improvements from consuming meat. It's just the nurse's health study, and Walter Willett, Dr. Gardner, who are completely captured by the process food industry, and their own ideology, vegan ideology, pushing that sort of narrative that needs to bad, or the seven dead-benished church, who funds both of them and who have massive ties to process food industry. They own a lot of process food companies like sanitary and food in America, or in Australia, and so there's the largest cereal producers in Australia. So they have all these financial and ideological ties to pushing out meat as bad, which it all goes plant-based, and it's garbage. It's garbage science done by garbage people who have no integrity. And so when you see even the same design, like the McMaster Pure study, this still does food-freaknessy questionnaires, which are, you know, which is what the nurse's health study are and cannot be captured by any stretch of imagination. As you actually be able to remember what they've eaten the last two to four years, and they try to hype this up. You know, they're the vegan people talking about how this is, you know, confirms dietary blah, blah, blah, every two to four years. Nothing's confirmed about it. There's no, but they're not taking notes about every single meal that they take, and they're guessing at what they're eating over the past few years, and they know that, but they're very dishonest human beings. You know, if they actually believe that that is accurate, then they're diluted. But the fact of the matter is, I don't think they do believe that. I think they know for a fact that it is complete garbage, and they're trying to pretend it's not garbage, and say that it's more than it is to push their ideology because they're dishonest. And when people do food-freaknessy questionnaires, but are not dishonest about it, about how they crunch the data, like calling fast food and pizza meats, even though it's less than 10% of calories are from meat, and over 70% calories eating meat is a hyper carnivore, like a polar bear or a great white shark, over 70% calories consumed from meat is considered a hyper carnivore, and you're talking about fast food that's over 90% plant-based, that's hypervegetarian, that's nearly vegan, right? McDonald's is nearly vegan, right? I mean, you could stack up four patties and swing the tide a bit, but if you're having that with the fries and the drink, still majority of calories are coming from plants, and certainly, like a little big neck thing with a tiny little two-ounce patty, and the rest of that thing, like no, you're talking 90% or more of that calories coming from plants, and so that's nearly vegan, and they're saying that that's meat. People eat more meat, have a problem. No, people eat nearly 100% vegan vegetarian diet with junk food, that's what's causing the problem, and it's still plants, so processed plants. When the pure study was done at McMaster, they used the same food-freezing questionnaire, but they didn't break it down in fraudulent, intentionally dishonest ways, like will it and gardener do, and they found that actually there was no increased risk association that any disease would increase meat, and in fact, they found a protective mild protective association with cancer rates, so people that ate more meat actually had slightly less cancer risk. Okay, so there's other studies looking at 175 different countries, so it was out of the University of Adelaide just a couple years ago, and every single one of those 175 countries, they found that increased meat consumption was associated with longer life and better health. So again, there's no good, strong data showing that meat is harmful, certainly no experimental data, showing that meat is harmful, and there's plenty of population epidemiological data showing that it is extremely beneficial, and you'd have to basically assume that the diet that we've evolved on and evolved to over the past 2 million years, they allowed us to become the most dominant predators on earth, and the most dominant species on earth, that that is somehow at the same time harmful, or is just magically become harmful, when that we just magically change species overnight. That doesn't make any sense, that's completely incoherent, and so there's no reason to limit meat, so that's good, but there's also no reason to limit fat, and so I think that was something that maybe this was a bridge too far, maybe I don't know what went on behind closed doors, but I think that that part of the recommendation was one that had the most strong experimental evidence to show that it needed to go. Right, I mean I don't think there's a single thing on there that has as much experimental data, randomized control trials, metanalyses, and umbrella reviews of those metanalyses, randomized control trials, like we do with saturated fat and cardiovascular disease, I don't think there's a single other thing on that change that was made that has nearly the evidence behind it, that that does, so that is definitely justified to take that off, and hopefully that's something that they amend, and hopefully they don't just leave that and throw a cookie to them there, and then hope it's a piece, because that's a big one, and so hopefully that gets fixed. Okay, so here's a comment that someone had that, someone that was a one of the flags, which is, Dr. Chapese is amazing to answer everyone, and he really takes the time with us, and that's rare. He spent more time answering me than any doctor who knows me since childhood, well that's really sweet, right, thank you for that, and I appreciate that, and hopefully it was helpful, and I'm sorry that doctors don't take as much time with you. Sort of tough, you know, sometimes you get five minutes or something like that with 10 minutes or something like that, scheduled with the patient, you've got 30 more patients that day or whatever, and so you can't necessarily take the deep dive with them, but that's important, it's really important to do that, so I try to do that with my patients in the clinic, and also with answering questions here, so hopefully that's helpful, and glad it wasn't your case. Okay, so a question from from the menu, "I eat mainly conventional beef, do I need to worry about getting enough omega-3?" It's a good question, if you're getting just grain finished beef, then yes, it's going to have less omega-3s, you're sure you're going to get, you know, six, there's so many different things out there, but anywhere from six to twenty to one omega-6 omega-3s, you're going to want more of a one-to-one sort of ratio between omega-6s and omega-3s, so you have a lot less omega-3s when you're great finished, and some studies show that after about three months in a deep dive that cows have very little omega-3 left, so you would want to think about where you can get a better fat source, so grass-fed butter, grass-fed tallow, grass-fed beef fat trimmings from the butcher if you can get them, and even oily fish, wild-caught fish, you know, sardines, you can have a couple of tins of sardines a day, macros, a good source of omega-3s as well, those sorts of things, and that's important, that's a very important thing to look into. There are a ton of people that just eat fatty rib-eye, and there are all omega-3s, and there's a more omega-3s there than almost anything else you're eating, so, you know, if you're eating, you know, mostly grain-finished beef, but you were eating a mixed diet before that, with probably also the best you're going to do is grain-finished beef and some chicken or something like that. You're still getting massively increased amounts of omega-3s, compared to where you were, and that's better, but do you want to be better or do you want to be optimal? Well, then if you want to be optimal, then look at other sources of omega-3s. I would not take fish-roll supplements or would not take those sorts of things because they're, they generally oxidize and rancid by the time you get them, long before you get them, and, you know, things like, like, when I go cod liver, it's a great source of these things. They come in oils, so cod liver oil, they're going to have good nutrients and vitamins, how much of the omega-3s are left at that point, it's hard to say, well, it probably still has some, and the liver itself still have some of that in the tissue as well. That's a great source, and, you know, just the liver in general, it's a really good, good nutrient source also. But yeah, I think that that is something that if you're trying to optimize your health, a lot of people are just trying to improve their health very sick, and so that's all, it's already going to be a massive improvement. But if I had to pick one thing that I would, you know, want to spruce up about grain-finished beef, that would be the omega-3s. And so I always look at, you know, I get a lot of grass-bed, pasture-rays for me, but I also go to Costco, I also go to other sorts of places, I try to get the grass-finished when I can, it's not always available when I'm at, but I do have a source of grass-finished fat, fat-trimings that I get, and so I will often just chop up some of that and lightly fry it in a pan and a little pile of fat with the meat as well. And that's a good thing too. I mean, now I'm going to have some sardines or some macros, I just like them. You want those packed in water, you don't want those in olive oil or God forbid soy meat oil or sunflower oil, those sorts of things. And grass-fed butter, I only use grass-fed butter if I use butter, and grass-fed towel over those sorts of things. So yeah, there's definitely ways you can do that, and I would recommend it. It's good for you to get more of those, than just, than you generally get from, from just a grain-finished beef. Okay, next question is from low-carb low-drama. Thank you very much for the super chat. I really appreciate that. A close friend had a stroke at 70. I'm very sorry to hear that. It has been wheelchair-bound for two years, with some memory loss and but good communication. She has been vegetarian for 70 plus years, which clearly didn't save her from a cream. That's her disease. Let's see, continues here. What highly bioavailable nutrients at DHA, Coling, B2O, etc. That support recovery and prevention of muscle loss. Thank you for all you do. Well, muscle loss, all of the above, but the proteins, bioavailable proteins, creatine, those sorts of things. That'll help brain and body muscles. For her, with the stroke, in saturated fat, we just covered that, that higher DHA intake of saturated fat actually protects against stroke and improves things from that point of people. That would suggest improves cardiovascular disease, wouldn't it? Because that can be caused by, there's other causes of stroke, but certainly, arthrogenic strokes. The thing is going on to getting into ketosis to help her neurological issues and her neurological recovery. It could still happen. I mean, you look at Dave Mac, he had a stroke 30 years ago, and going carnivore within three months, he started getting improvements in his strength down his right side. So that's amazing. So even two years down the track, she could potentially get improvements. You want to be in ketosis, you brain runs on ketones optimally, and they cross the blood brain, very reconstituted into fatty acids that make up the physical structures and matrix of the brain and nervous system. So that's important. It's important to have those in there, and not only that, but there that the optimal tool source for the brain. So when you have glucose and ketones available, your brain only runs on those ketones, same with your heart, your intestine, your muscles. If you don't want to get that, they think it's just glucose and glycogen. No, it's ketones, it's phatoxanization. If you're in ketosis, over 90% VO2 maps, you're still burning phatoxan for energy, not glucose or glycogen. So that's optimal for that. And then B12, absolutely, vitamin D3, 100%, colon, pre-teen, carnitine, DHA, EPA, saturated fat, cholesterol, all these things are essential for the brain. What I would do for, you know, and eating that way will optimize her muscle and body mass. And so she doesn't put on excess body fat and metabolic issues on top of everything else is such an outmodal. Go to my website, and there's a protocol for multiple sclerosis where I put out basically what's optimal for what's optimal for recovering from any sort of neurological issues. This is specifically talks about MS, but it could be anything. It's just, you know, especially things like the stroke, you know, this is optimizing nutrients that you need for neurological recovery. Like B12, like vitamin D, but all the others as well. DHA, EPA, those are the omega-3s, eat some sardines every day, eat some alcohol every day, have grass bed, I'm finished beef, if you can, get those fat-trimming grass-fed butter. These are really important factors to get. And hopefully that can help her and good luck to your friend. I hope she'll wish her the best and hope she gets better soon. Right. One second. There's another super chat from the triple C. Thank you so much for the super chat. Hey, Doc, question if you can. My friend says that red meat makes some sick. He saw a doctor. They don't know what's wrong. And maybe Melm's orbsian friend did say that he eats a lot of plants. He has had this issue for about a year or one plus years. Well, you know, possibly, I mean, the thing is that it could just be that he. Well, anytime you eat, whatever you eat with other things, it changes how your body deals with them, right? And so it's, you will digest things differently when you need to plant it with fiber with tannins and other anti-nutrients. Tannins bind proteins, so you can't break them down and absorb them. So they have to go out. And you can get sick, because you can get bloating and irritation and things like that. Because now that stuff's getting you to colon, or normally it would stay, it would stay in your small intestine, get absorbed there. Fiber delays or prevents up to 30% of nutrient absorption of fat protein and other nutrients. And so now they go into your colon, they get broken down by the bacteria, and that can cause gut issues as well. You can also be psychosomatic, people that I'm just convinced themselves that me and particularly animal fat are bad for them, they just, you know, they can actually get sort of eating, like, oh, I don't know. It doesn't make me feel good. But I cannot tell you how many people have come into me as patients, and they're like, oh, I can't eat meat, I can't eat red meat, it makes me sick to my stomach. And, you know, I mentioned that about sort of condition, response, but also your body, you know, metabolizes, or breaks things down and digest these very differently, depending on what you eat them with. And if you just go meat and water, sometimes that results, I cannot tell you how many people came back to me and go, I'm like, I was convinced that you were going to be wrong. But yeah, as soon as I stopped eating everything else, that all those problems went away. Also, you know, what kind of say, just sick to your stomach or what else? Because unfortunately, there's this stupid alpha galfing going around. And that's spreading like wildfire. And now people are saying that it's in the mosquitoes, which has never been in before. It's never in the ticks before either. And you get these weird people talking about how, wouldn't that be great if we could spread red meat allergies, you know, through ticks, or mosquitoes, or something like that. And then a few years later, all of a sudden, it's happening. If that were to be the case, you know, those are those serious crimes against humanity and those people should be tried for Christ. And it gets humanity in and executed. I mean, just quite frankly, that's just, that is just beyond the veil of what is acceptable. And so, you know, maybe, maybe get checked for that. You know, you can try just cutting out everything except meat. But if it's just red meat, that's causing the problem. Could be something like the condition respond. Could be that what he's eating it with. He's eating a lot of plants with it. But if that doesn't have, he just tries, I mean, just self-experiment to say, okay, don't eat anything today. Just have some eggs in the morning. Have a steak at night. See how you feel, you know, and still getting problems. Maybe it's a condition issue. But if you don't have a problem with chicken or fish, then it might be alpha gal. And so, that's something that you can check out with his doctor is alpha gal. The good thing about alpha gal. Well, hopefully, the good thing about alpha gal is that you can still eat, you know, poultry and fish and things like that. Eggs seem to be fine. But the good thing is that for a lot of people, they're reporting that they're actually getting over that and they're recovering after six months or so, six months to a year. They're actually able to start eating red meat again. So, hopefully, that's the case. That this isn't a complete, you know, allergy that people just cannot eat red meat for the rest of their life because that would be truly tragic if that were the case. But that's what I would do for him is I would check out, check and see if it's alpha gal. And then if it's not, thumbs up, you definitely be able to be fine. It's just going to be a condition issue or just eat in with plants and vibrant. Okay, so, super chat from Lee Hamilton. Thoughts on what exactly to eat while dealing with opular shingles. I've been carnival for three years. That is, yeah, that's a very good point. I would, you know, it's not, it's not going to stop you from getting any sort of infection. I mean, if you have things like shingles, they can come back, unfortunately. The good thing about being carnivores that your immune system does perk up, it does get better. Interestingly, some of that has to do with your oral biome, the bacteria in your mouth. Prefer amounts of gingimilus, it causes gingimitis, also causes ulcers, other issues in your body. Every time you brush your teeth and floss especially, you introduce those bacteria into your bloodstream. It's not really a natural thing to do in brushing our teeth, is it? Normally, we would do that in toothbrushes or much more, much more recent sort of invention. Animals in the wild don't brush their teeth. So, that's not something that's actually normal and it does create a bacteria, a transient bacteria. So, you get bacteria going through your body every time you brush your teeth and especially when you floss. And I'm not recommend if you will stop brushing your teeth or flossing. I'm just saying this is something that happens. When you have these other nasty bacteria like preferinose gingimilus, they can actually damage your body, they can damage your coronary arteries, your CVs and plaques. Seeming brain cancers and 89% of brain cancers sample in one particular study with like 26 GVM, Clioblastoma brain cancers. 99% of them had that in the tumor, I believe. I'm pretty sure that's what it was anyway. So, it's showing up on the body, it also has been shown to have suppressed specifically your viral immune system. So, if you want more susceptible to viruses, you get a chronic Epstein bar, you get a neural Epstein bar for, you know, sort of herpetic viruses, like HSV in the brain, shingles are getting more recurrent, those sorts of things. Shingles is a type of herpes virus. And the thing with herpes virus is they live in the nerves and the neurons, right, and then they sort of present every now and then. You're by sort of trying to keep these things under wraps and if your viral immune system is a bit under the weather, shall we say, then it can't really do that as much. So, stress or sleep, you know, improper sort of, you know, exposures, improper diets can screw that up. Perferemonis needs, you know, tangentially, it needs you to eat carbohydrates for it to exist in your mouth. Your oral bottom changes dramatically based on what you eat, just like your microbiome, doesn't your gut. And perferemonis, well, it doesn't eat carbs itself. It is an anaerob, so it has to be in a non-oxygen environment. And so, if it's in your mouth, there's a lot of oxygen there, it doesn't grow very well. And so, it needs to be an environment that is created by Candida. So, Candida creates a bit of an anaerobic environment for the perferemonis to grow. So, they grow in a dual biofilm. They grow together. And Candida absolutely does need carbohydrates to grow. And so, if you stop eating carbohydrates, you stop eating sugars and whatever, Candida can't grow, therefore, for an anaerobic can't grow. Therefore, you're not going to, that you're not going to, you're not going to be able to get change of INS and these sorts of things every time you brush your teeth, you're not going to feel throughout your body and things like that. Which is great. It's really good. One of the things that it does is, again, it shuts down your viral immune system. So, typically, when people are in a farm where they don't get sick as much. And that's one of the reasons why. Another reason why is because when you eat carbohydrates, this is a study going back to 1974. So, this is not like this is a news flash. They gave people carbohydrates in various forms, 100 grams of carbohydrates from sugars, the starches, the fruit juice, all these sorts of things, so different sorts of sugars and carbohydrates. And then they checked their blood levels at 30 minutes, one hour, two hours, three hours, four hours, five hours. And they looked at different sorts of things. And what they found is that their neutrophils basically went inactive. Neutrophils are your first line cellular defense against bacteria. They're required for wound healing, for cancer surveillance, killing cancers, and pre-cancer cells. And they get dysfunctional, so they can't eat bacteria or other cells when they are, for five hours after you've eaten carbs. So, people say, "No, no, no, carbs don't do anything wrong." Well, they shut down your immune system. They do that for about five hours. So, if you eat three square meals a day, that's 15 hours straight that you can't properly fight off bacteria. You can't have proper wound healing. So, you're trying to heal from surgery, or an injury, or a cut, or a bruise, and not get it infected. You don't want to eat carbs. You don't want to eat sugar, because it will suppress your immune system, the bacterial immune system specifically. And also, your eating carbs is going to breed for perferimonis in your mouth. It's going to get in your bite. It's going to shut down your viral immune system. So, the best thing you can do while having any sort of viral issue is doing exactly what you're doing. Very strict, zero-carb carnivore. That helps your body and your immune system as much as possible. You have an immune system for a reason. These things can get through the whole training theory versus germ theory. People get a little confused about that. Training theory isn't saying that bacteria don't do anything ever, and they're only good, or they're completely neutral, or the same with parasites, and that it just matters what's going on. But no, that's not true. We have an immune system for a reason. We have viral immune for a reason. We have bacterial immune system for a reason. We have parasite immune system for a reason. Of course, these things can cause harm, and you have people that have suppressed immune systems for whatever reason. They get destroyed by bacteria and infections. People die all the time from infections, infectious disease. That's a major, that's a major, major killer. I mean, look at the Native Americans who are just eating a carnivore diet and a lot of these people. Some European diseases just wiped out 95% of the population in North America. They were doing things right, you know? It wasn't just that all of a sudden diabetes swept through or whatever. It's a communicable, infectious disease. But the healthier you are, your terrain is stable, the less likely you want it to get these infections. And one of the reasons is because your immune system is able to do its job. So just being carnivore, being very strict carnivore, I would just not add anything else, high fat, and get your rest. I know that you need to change anything besides just being carnivore, but just to the best you can. There are a lot of people that find that they just get these sorts of representations of shingles or other sorts of viral issues. Much less common, much less common, but they can break through. And stress is a big one. Of course, sleep is a big one because that can suppress your immune system as well. When your cortisol goes out, that can suppress your immune system and then you can get these issues. So once you have it, hopefully it's a more mild illness and we'll go way better and quicker. But in the future, just you know, all you can do is optimize these things and I hope for the best, but sleep, stress, very important factors as well when trying to stay healthy. So good luck with that. Hope you hope you feel better soon. So this is a super chat from Michelle Cali. Thank you so much. I didn't come with a thing on it, but there we go. It's down here. Okay. So Michelle says, hello, I recently noticed my hands are getting really dry. Could this be some sort of vitamin issue? I use beef talo, but it doesn't seem to help. Thanks. Or it doesn't seem to be helping. Having good potentially. I mean, some people get more dry skin when they're not eating enough fat, interestingly enough. And so I would be, you know, I would think about that. You know, so you can think about that maybe, maybe increasing the fat that you're eating, vitamin issues, I mean, potentially, but I mean, you know, there are generally specific skin changes, specific nail changes, specific tongue changes that we would see with different nutrient deficiencies. You can always get it checked, you know, but just dry skin, just normal dry skin, not, not usually, you know, it's just, you know, maybe there could be some sort of a bit of an inflammatory issue involved. So maybe just, you know, maybe cut down to just red meat and water, see if that helps, see if there's some sort of issue going on there. I would keep using the talo. It's good stuff. Emule oil is good as well. And you just may have to re-ify water dehydration can cause dry skin. And then the lack of that has like I was saying before. So maybe, you know, maybe just, you know, give that a try. I can't think of really anything. You can always get your vitamins and minerals checked, but I can't think of any, any specific nutritional deficiencies that we just call as just normal dry skin on your hand. That doesn't mean there isn't one. I mean, sometimes even little exposures, I mean, you can get like contact dermatitis with different things. Your hands are touching a lot of things, so that's possibility. And so what else, I just have to mind. And some of the weird little viral sort of issues and things. I even fungal, you know, like really flaky skin. So, but that wouldn't have anything to do with with the nutritional status anyway. So you can try checking your vitamins and minerals and making sure you're sort of the upper end of the, their normal reference range or even maybe a bit above is probably pretty good in a lot of these things too, because the reference ranges are just, you know, their averages of sick malnourished vegetarians. I mean, that's just called what it is. And so, you know, the animal based new trends that you can't get from plants, almost everybody's deficient in. So that reference range is going to be skewed left. So that's what I would do trying to get into the trim. Hopefully, it's nothing, nothing major. I was just a comment from Chris Starling. And he just says that how to actually, my father's in cardio is Dr. Starling. He has been a cardiologist for three years. I shared with them the video on Dr. Mason's lecture. He's still having a more time wrapping the LDLPs. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, this is something that's just been inundated for so long, but you know, the only randomized control trials that we have in you and showing, looking at replacing animal fat or vegetable oils and reducing cholesterol have all shown that, that in a dose response, dependent relationship, as you lower cholesterol, more people die of heart attacks and structures as a result. And that's, that was done in the Minnesota coronary experiment with almost 10,000 people. It's two slides in jails or mental health facilities so they could control every meal that they could, you know, bar and contraband. And, and then that was replicated in the Sydney heart trial and show the exact same, um, the exact same results. And we did the LA Veterans Bears study. I didn't show any, uh, any difference in cardiovascular disease, but lowering cholesterol and lowering animal fat did not improve cardiovascular disease for mortality rate, but it did worsen cancer mortality rate, who had more cancers than they died more often. So, you know, we've just been lying to you. And if you look at why we originally thought that LDL was bad, it's from people like Ansel Keys who know we're being paid to say that, um, who had, you know, completely, um, you know, doctorate his own data and suppressed other data. I mean, you know, he recommended people, you know, switched eating carbs and sugar, even though, um, people eating carbs and sugar in his own study, the semination study had exactly the same relative risk association, increased risk association. Between, um, sugar and carbs and um, cardiovascular disease as cholesterol did. So, he recommended you stop eating fat in favor of sugar and carbs, even though his own data showed that they're exactly the same risk. And, um, as Dr. Zoe Harcum showed in her PhD thesis, um, that Ansel Keys on this exact subject. So, if he really wants to go in on that, maybe just read her thesis for paper, uh, Dr. Zoe Harcum, that that's what her, her doctoral thesis at Cambridge University was on that exact subject. So, maybe just take a look at that. And, um, and she pointed out that his, um, that in his data for the semination study. Again, he, he, he cherrypicked seven nations. He had complete data for 22 nations, but he just chose the seven that fit his curve and ignored the ones that, that actually showed that, now there's no association between cholesterol and cardiovascular disease. But she actually showed that people living closer to the equator actually had, uh, what, what had much stronger, um, relative risk association reduction. So, people that lived further away from the equator actually had a higher relative increase in cardiovascular disease than, um, than cholesterol did. It was like 92 percent versus like an 84 percent, um, or our value of, of, sorry, of zero, yeah, our value of 0.92 for distance from the equator versus 0.84 for cholesterol. And it's almost identical for sugar, by the way, so like 0.840185. And so, you know, it could be that people that lived closer to the equator, they're getting the sun more. And so, more of their cholesterol is getting turned into vitamin D, which is really good for your body. And so, well, they have, they may have a little bit less cholesterol, but maybe it's because it's turning into vitamin D, vitamin D is protective. And all these other sorts of things, people that live for their way, maybe have a bit higher cholesterol, but have, you know, because they're converting less into vitamin D and maybe it's vitamin D. That's, that's better. And, you know, people that in the asshole keys his time said that, I mean, this is like, you know, that they're stronger associations, you know, between things that have nothing to do with people that, you know, you know, cook food in a certain way is a stronger association. You know, it's like, it's, and the thing is, too, is that you can't show cause and effect relationship without randomized control trials. And so, cancel keys did do a randomized control trial. He was the lead author, or leading, not author. He was the lead researcher on the Minnesota coronary experiment. And because it didn't show what he wanted it to show, which is, you know, cholesterol being bad for you, he buried it. And they wouldn't, they wouldn't publish it. And so, it got found by Dr. Rampton from the NIH 40 years later. It didn't, it was done between 1968 and 1973. And it wasn't published until 2014 in the BMJ. You know, so check, take a look at those. You know, haven't take a look at those. You know, Dr. Mason's, I'm assuming you mean the most recent one that he did was the germs and the big lie on asking the root cause of cardiovascular disease. I think that's his most recent one. That was fantastic. Anybody else that's seen that should watch that? It's great. It's, it's really good. First 10 minutes, it just completely eviscerates the cholesterol heart, heart hypothesis. And, and they lose on with what could actually be causing heart disease. So maybe showing that if that wasn't the whole Mason when you did, but, you know, Zoe Arkham's things, well, I'm writing, you know, the new book that I'm writing. I'm doing a whole chapter on cholesterol now. That's bullshit. And, but it's way too long. So I just actually put this out as a as a paper or something like that. And see see if I can or just put it out as a blog or something and have that available on my website. And then maybe let me see if I can get that sort of published as well. Like in a journal or something like that. Just trying to, you know, undo the dog on a cholesterol hype. But yeah, maybe, maybe those are some things you can check out. But yeah, to look, it's one of those things that there's a lot of inertia behind it of just people, you know, believing this and pushing this. And there's about 300 billion reasons that the drug companies have to keep pushing this. And they're all in the bank. So yeah, keep that in mind as well. Okay, here's from Stinkass.cat. Good to see you again. And thanks so much for the really generous super chat. That's really, really kind of you. Dr. Chaffee in the house kicking butt in our car and for King. Well, thank you so much for that. I appreciate the support and the kindness. And it's good to see you. It's good to see you all. Okay. Here's, um, at all, can cornbread diet help hyperparathyroidism? Potentially, I mean, it does help with a lot of other reasons, other issues, hyperthyroidism itself and other sorts of things. Hyperparathyroidism is not as common as these other sorts of issues that we see when people go on cornbread, we can see who this helps and who it doesn't. Um, parathyroid is also very much, um, influenced by different vitamins and minerals, like, especially under D3 and K2. And so optimizing those nutrients in and of itself can potentially help optimize parathyroid function. It does matter what's causing the hyperparathyroidism. And I haven't seen enough people with hyperparathyroidism or hyperparathyroidism, um, go carnivore to be able to give you, um, a more detailed or accurate answer. I mean, things like Crohn's disease. I can tell you that's going to help. I've just seen it so many times. It's just, it helps. I've never seen someone not helped by doing a strict carnivore diet, especially just red meat and water for Crohn's disease. Um, so I have seen people with osteoporosis that may have some sort of parathyroid issues because that can deal with how much bone your, your vine breaks down. I've absolutely seen elderly individuals or even younger individuals with other sorts of reasons why they have low bone density or even osteoporosis that they actually reverse that. Not 100 percent of people, some people have very extreme hormonal issues. I have, um, I've seen that where people have had very serious hormonal issues and they're still struggling with, um, you know, bone loss and things like that. But, you know, that's a work of progress. We'll see if we can, you know, correct things and get, get that better. But, um, yeah, it's definitely worth a try though and optimizing the different vitamins and, and so on that affect this such a vitamin D3 and K2, uh, could certainly improve, um, parenthetical function. Hopefully that helps. Um, you or whoever is dealing with that issue. Okay, question from cloned 47. Thank you very much for the sugar channel. I really appreciate it. Um, cloned says that they joined late. Uh, sorry if you've covered this already. How much animal fat or saturated fat is necessary per day if you protein intake should be around 180 grams. I tried to aim for about one to two grams of fat for the one-gram of protein. So if you're hitting about 180 grams, try to hit about 200 grams of fat as well, maybe 2,500, 300. But everybody has a specific amount of fat and protein that they need. And so if you're eating fatty meat until it stops tasting, good, typically your body will attract that. And you use more try to get that ratio, right? So 75, you know, 73, you know, 27 ground beef. It's pretty good. Uh, 65, 35 is even better. That's about two grams of fat to one-gram of protein. Um, so you can try that. And, uh, of rib eyes probably around the 75, 25 ratio of just weight of lean to fatty meat, which is about one-gram of fat to one-gram of protein, maybe a little less. Um, so that's sort of thing. So just try to eat in that ratio and then eat fat until you get sauce tools, but not loose tools because you can only observe a certain amount of fat. So I think it's important to get that amount of fat. Everybody's working hard to produce bile to get fat. You should do, you should, um, give it, give it, give it the fat. Um, so aim for that. Aim for one-gram of fat to one-gram of protein. Just try to eat in that ratio and then just eat until fatty meat stops tasting. You will likely get, you know, meat your, um, your aimed goal of achieving 180 grams. The money may not actually need all that much. It just depends on your body and what you're going through and how much exercise you're doing, and how much if your body wants to put on muscle and things like that. So I would still just eat intuitively. Aim for, if you're gonna have 180 grams, aim for 180 to 250 to 300, maybe even a bit more. If you're getting hard tools and you're not, and by definition you're not eating enough fat, if you're getting soft tools, but you're having coffee, you may actually be under eating fat and maybe cover it up because of the laxative of that coffee. So you just need to sort of have a clean slate, just eat meat and water for a while, and then see how much fat you actually, not everybody actually is sort of, uh, retaining, um, and things like that. So that, that's what I aim for, and then adjust for particular individual needs and what your body is actually absorbing. Okay, uh, question from Joseph. Joseph says, "I sometimes feel heavily judged or socially looked down on for doing this diet. Any advice for this. The results of the diet have been amazing for me personally, so I want to see this." Yeah, my advice is like, who cares? You know, like, I just, I don't care. I mean, people get to be around you. You know, I mean, if you go around in certain, certain, certain, certain social settings, um, and they're all used to doing one thing, they're all used to drinking alcohol. You're gonna look weird for not drinking alcohol. If you go around a whole bunch of coke heads, you're going to look at you weird for not blowing coke. Is that going to bother you? Are you going to lose sleep because of a bunch of heroin addicts, judged you for not doing heroin? Probably not. So, you know, you know, for a fact that this makes your life better, that your health is getting better, you're feeling better, you're doing better. So this is, this is a benefit. So what they're eating is like the heroin. It's something harmful. It doesn't need to be heroin to be harmful. And so they're doing something that they're, they're taking in for hedonistic purposes because they say, "Well, I enjoy it. I like it." Okay, it's not even like, "Well, I'm mixed diet. I'm eating salad and no salad sucks. I'm eating it because I'm supposed to." You're the incates and cookies and crap like that. They know that that's not good for them. And yet they do it anyway. Just like heroin addicts know that heroin is not good for them. They want the heroin, right? So they want the cookie. Are you going to really get, you know, too worried about what, you know, cookie addict cares. If you don't need a cookie, who cares? The less you are bothered by it, the less you pay attention to what you're eating or, you know, caring about what you're eating, the less people even notice. You go out to dinner, everybody orders whatever they order. And then they, whatever they eat off that thing, based on what they want to do. Not everybody clears their plate and not everybody notices one way or the other. You think back to the last time you had a way out to dinner with friends or what to dinner party. You just, you know, had a family dinner like went over to a relative salsa or something like that. Can you remember all the different things that other people ordered and exactly what they ate off of each plate? I can't. I mean, I just don't care. You know, why would I care? You know, if you draw attention to that, then people are going to start noticing. Then they'll remember because there's something to remember. But if you just order a steak and you just eat the steak, I'm just going to bat an island. You know, if you were to the chicken, you just eat the chicken and, you know, touch the rest of the stuff. Who cares? You know, people like what they like. When you start worrying about it yourself, that's when, that's when people notice that something's wrong because they notice that you think something's wrong. And now they tune into it going, wait, why are you doing that? You know? But at the end of the day, who cares? When I stop caring, what, what, you know, not being so conscious, like, who got something different, no one said a thing after that. And if they did, I just sort of laugh it off and be like, okay, you know, it's like, well, what don't you need that? Like, no, it's actually super bad for you. And it doesn't bother me. You know, I, you know, people offer me things like, hey, do you want, you know, some of this or this dessert or whatever? It's like, no, thank you. You know, appreciate it. It doesn't interest me. And, you know, if you're just nice about it, you just say, no, no, thanks. No, no cares. You know, they just, they do what they want to do, you do what you want to do. So that's, that's a really important one. I mean, there's the, there's a, there's a book, I never read it, but it's a good sentiment, you know, the subtle art I'm not giving an F, right? It's just like, you don't need to worry about what other people think. Worry about what other people think is a bit of a, of a group's societal survival advantage. Because if the society is saying, look, you're doing something wrong, you should look at the way, oh, okay, am I doing something wrong? Society, everybody's doing something differently. And it's working for them. Or, you know, the assumption is it's working for them. Am I doing something wrong? This kind of make it worse for me. You have that natural, you know, automatic sort of, insect, oh, am I doing something wrong? Now, you're nervous about it. And that's important. You should, you should have some introspection. But if you're doing something differently than everybody else, you know, are, are you the asshole? Are they all the assholes? Usually, you know, it's, it's the one person doing something different than that's the asshole. And so you say, like, hey, you need to get back in line. This is what everybody does. This is what's best to do. You should do it too. And that's, and that's the case for a lot of things, but not everything. There's a lot of things that people have done that were not the right thing to do. But that's how society works. And that's how our social programming works. So, it's natural to feel a bit self conscious and feel judged. But just remember that what you're doing is healthy. And you've seen that. You don't need me to tell you that. You would experience that. You said the results are amazing. And so, you know, that's, that's good for you. That's the right thing for you. And so you shouldn't worry about that. It's natural to feel judged and natural to be a concern when you're doing something differently. And people go, wait, hold on a second. But that's because you have that natural social psychology of saying like, am I am I doing something wrong here? But you know that you're not. So, you know, don't worry about it. Because you know, you're not, I wouldn't get concerned about that. You know, and, you know, you're not going to get concerned if a bunch of heroin addicts judge you for not doing heroin. You know, so why would you get concerned about this when I was doing carpool for my first five years or in my in my early 20s. I wasn't doing carnivores on call carnivore at the time. I just refused to eat plants because I knew they were toxic. And so we're at least had toxins in them to certain degrees. And I had no interest in eating them because they were bad for me, right? So I'm like, I'm not eating that crap. I never said anything. I never told anybody, this is what I'm doing and why. I didn't talk about it and say, well, you should do it because I just, that's just what I did. And everyone else did what they did. I didn't talk about it. I didn't think I just like, yeah, I'm not eating that. And so I would just look at things. Okay, where's the meat? I'm not eating anything with a plant. I'm going to be taking that, taking that, taking that, taking that, taking that. So I played full of meat for it. I'm like a, a fail. I got through a rugby after a rugby game or something like that. I just take the things that I want. Everyone took what they want. I had no idea what they ate. They had no interest in what I ate. I mean, just ate whatever the hell they ate. I didn't have a single person comments on the fact that I only ate meat during that entire period of time. Not one person. Because I didn't bring attention to it. I drew attention to it. So no one paid attention to it. I asked my sister recently, did you have any idea that I didn't eat plants for five years in my early 20s? Now we weren't living the same household for that. We would have, you know, family dinners and things like that and all that sort of stuff. But she had no idea. I mean, she's just like, yeah, I mean, I knew you ate a lot of meat, but I didn't realize that you only because I never brought it up. And so I never came up. No one noticed. I know we cared. So, the less you draw attention to it, the less people are going to pay attention. So just do your thing. Would you want to eat? Do what you know is right for your body and, you know, don't worry about it. Okay. Let's see here. Is a question from Kenneth. Angeanness, excuse me, Angeanness, wondering plants or something at that? Claimed water depletes minerals and salt dehydrates the body. Is insomnia after eating raw meat more likely from vaccines and acid princes? So I think there's maybe a couple of questions I can pick out of there. I'm not too sure what that last question was about insomnia after eating raw meat more likely from vaccines and acid. So I'm not 100% sure what the vaccines and acids might have to do with that. I don't know about how that would affect the raw meat and how that would affect insomnia, unfortunately. As far as water depleting minerals and salt dehydrating the body, if you have a lot of salt, like I said earlier, if you're drinking a seawater, usually you don't drink seawater, because it actually draws water out of your intestines and you have too much of it and draw that out and dehydrate you directly through your intestines, giving watery diarrhea. But it also have high sodium. Everybody says, okay, well that's too much. We've got a problem. So you have to eliminate none of the kidneys. Water follows sodium in your body, right? That's just that's just a thing that happens. So yes, you'll lose you'll lose water necessarily when you are losing more when you're by trying to get rid of more sodium. So yes, the more salts you have the more dehydrated you can get because you have to you have to pee that out and you'll lose water with it. And so your demand for water will increase. So that doesn't mean that you can't salt your food at all, right? And so there's sort of competing ideas there that water depletes your minerals. Okay, so don't drink water and then salt dehydrate you. So don't eat salt. It's like, everything's just going down from there, right? So you know, you're losing minerals and you're losing electrolytes and then you shouldn't replace that because that will make things worse. Just salt to taste. Most people don't even need to have salt there. I said it on a cornboard diet. Salt used the widespread salt use more or less came to be more popular as like during agriculture after agriculture. That's when you had like big salt mines and things like that come through that were necessary because we needed salt and then you know, salt is burned. Those sorts of things. There's a place named after place that has salt mines. There's a whole book called, just called salt. And basically the history of civilization and told through the lens of salt. It's so important. That's where salary comes from because people like Roman areas, their salary was paid in salt or salt. And so they, you're paid in salt. And this is why, you know, somebody's not doing their job and just sort of, you know, half-assing yet you'd say, though, that guy's not worth his salt base. He's not worth his pay. He's not doing what he's being paid to do. That's thousands of years old. We're referential to thousands of years ago. So salt has been an important part of society for a very long time. Post agriculture as far as we can tell. And for at least that's the idea. Especially like the big salt mines and things like that. But, you know, people would go off and, you know, trying to find salt in different sorts of areas for a long time. But, you know, we don't know how far back that goes. And, you know, carnivorous, hunter-gatherers and things like that. But, you know, the thing is, there's tons of people living for decades on carnivore diets that don't use any salt. So I'm not, I'm not, I'm a little agnostic on that one. I think you just salt the taste. I do see people over-salting and getting cramps and dehydration, 100%. And I also, you know, see people, you know, when you first start out, you can lose too much sodium because your insulin's coming down that actually requires salt. And need more salt, at least in that early period. I've only met one person that really fell awful without, if they didn't use salt, even years after being on a ketogenic diet. Maybe there's difference between a ketogenic and a ketogenic carnivore diet for, for as far as your salt demands. But, you know, that can be the case. Earlier on, you might need some salt, maybe after that, you don't. I don't really use salt anymore. I lightly salt sometimes when I'm, when I'm like, you know, drying meat and things like that. It just helps the drying process. And other people like salt. So, you know, sort of make a compromise. But, I often don't use it. It often just tastes perfectly salted to me without the salt. And so, adding in salt tastes too salted now. And then you're going to phases. Like, I might, you know, get, get some food or, or someone else cooked something, you have salt in it. It will taste too salty. But then all of a sudden, you know, do that for a few times. And then all of a sudden, the meat that I'm eating without salt doesn't quite taste salty enough. So, you know, your body goes, goes back and forth, depending on your exposure. You stop eating salt, after a couple of days, a couple of weeks. Probably don't eat it anymore. But, yeah, if you drink too much water, like massive, massive amounts of water, yeah, you can deplete your body of, not just a little bit like electrolyte, like sodium and things like that. And so, you can get hyponymatronic where your, your sodium levels go too low from drinking too much water, for example. So, that's the thing. You need to drink water. You need water. You die without it. But, you know, just drink the thirst, drink the amount of water that your body needs. If you're getting cramps, late cramps especially, you're not drinking enough water. 90% of the time, is dehydration. If you're taking in tons of electrolytes of salt, and it's like that, you can give yourself a relative dehydration. You can actually give yourself, you'll be able to get cramps, so I say, I need more electrolytes, and then they get more cramps when they add in more electrolytes. Like, oh my god, they add more, add more, add more on the cramps, which is crazy. And it's not until they stop doing that, and then just drink some more water, drink the thirst, the cramps go away. My electrolyte is perfect. My minerals are perfect. I don't take any supplements. I don't take magnesium. My magnesium is above the reference range. So, all those people saying that meat doesn't have enough magnesium. Don't know what they're talking about, because it matters what you're taking the magnesium with. You're taking magnesium with a bunch of fitic acid, and other anti-neutransitual bind-tune block out magnesium absorption. Then sure, you'll need more magnesium. I'm not eating that stuff. And so, I'm getting all the magnesium. Also, the magnesium in meat is completely bioavailable. Whereas, I'm from plants, it's almost no bioavailability in some cases, or very little. And so, I have my magnesium is above the reference range, which is in the optimal range, but the normal reference range is not optimal. And I just drink water to thirst, and all that stuff. So, my magnesium is outscrewed. My sodium is not screwed. My potassium is not screwed. And yet, sometimes, I'll get like a foot cramp. I know that's when I'm not drinking enough water. So, I just ran out of the water, problem solved. I'm not sure about the insomnia with the raw meat and the vaccines and the acid rids. I'm not sure, unfortunately, on that one. But, you know, I don't yet. I'm not on the research show on that one. So, yeah, sorry about that one. Let me see here. Oh, sorry, that was from before. Okay, we have a new member, who is somebody you used to know. Thanks very much for joining the membership. Would you, you know, membership lives? I try to do those every month. And it's just Q&As just for the new members. Or just for the members and things like that. I'm trying to put out some videos and posts that are just members only. The majority of stuff still comes out, eventually might come out on the link. But some things just come out or come out early for the members and then we do members live. So, thank you very much for joining that. It's nice to have you on work. And probably you, this is the last question before we have to head out. So, we're doing this for just about an hour. That's a good time to stop. So, Annabella, Regwood, thank you very much for the super chat. Is there hope for bacon and fictional carnivore? Yeah, I mean, the thing is that, I mean, if you're getting clean bacon, it has a non sugar cure. It has, you know, pasture raised, non soy fed pork. Probably not a problem with it anyway. But if it does have sugar and other sorts of additives and yokey stuff or it's soy fed factory farm, which they mostly are, unless they say they're not, they are. And so, those will have a lot higher linoleic acid, which isn't necessarily great for you. I'd be now and then still a lot better than giving a plant. But, you know, bacon's nice. It tastes good. But, you know, sort of steak and so maybe just focus on steak and eggs instead of bacon and eggs. But, as long as you're getting clean bacon, it doesn't have a bunch of sugar and garbage in it. Especially if you're able to get pasture raised, non soy fed pork. You know, having some bacon every now and then is actually, actually probably fine. You know, pork and hungry apparently is like, you know, super, super high quality. They're only fed. They're not fed all that sort of nonsense. So, that's almost like, you know, pasture raised, grass fed finished beef or equivalent. But, that's because they have that special, you know, sort of market there. Not necessarily possibly get that outside of hungry that I know. But, if you can, I think you'll find out a local ranch or producer that does that. You know, I know there's some brands in America that do non sugar cures, which is great. If you can find ones that commercially sell with it or, you know, pasture raised non soy fed, should non sugar cure, that'd be fantastic. There are some out there. There are some larger ones. I know Peterson forms. I met the guy, like, you know, Kido Khan a while ago. And he, a very nice guy, he had me on his podcast at that point. And, you know, they do, I know they do non sugar cures, or at least they did the time. Maybe they do pasture raised stuff. Maybe they do non soy fed. Potentially. I would check that out. But, there are others. I mean, you know, Joel Solitan, he does really large scale regenerative farming. I think they tapped him for, you know, an advisor on the EPA maybe. Maybe the EPA. Anyway, he's involved in somehow, which is great. But he does large scale regenerative farming. And you might be able to find bacon from him. And there's a white oak pastures. I don't know if that's his or if that's another one. Anyway, there's a ton of these ones to do regenerative farming in America. And you might be able to find bacon that is non soy fed pasture raised. They're always going to give them something, you know, just because they want the taste of that. No. And grow quicker so they can turn them over so they can make money. But they might be able to get that without soy anyway. Okay. Let me see here. Maybe I missed a super chat. Let me see some smoothness. Oh, here's one. Okay. So thoughts on foamy urine is this problematic. Maybe is the answer to that. It depends on what else is going on. Sometimes if you have more protein, if you have kidney issues and you have protein coming out, sometimes they can make foamy urine. Sometimes you just have foamy urine. You know, if you're urinating into the bowl into the water, that's going to make more bubbles than if you're not. You know, I'm sure everybody who's just played around with this has seen sometimes a pee in the water. And it's very foamy. It's sort of like as a kid, you're like, how far can I get this? And other times it's just a little bit of foam or maybe not that much foam at all. You know, if you're having other issues, if you're having kidney dysfunction or something like that and you're getting, you know, protein in your urine, that could cause that. That doesn't mean that a little bit of foam means that you have protein in your urine. Really easy way to check. You go to the pharmacy, you get a little urine test strips, you know, pee in a little cup, dip it in there, shake it off. Look at it. You have to do that within a certain time frame. You can't let it sit there for a while. It's inaccurate. And you just see, it's just like no protein, correct? Don't worry about it. If it's like super foamy, like coming up to the top of the bowl, I'd get that checked out. A bit of foam though. I wouldn't worry too much. Even, you know, just more than average. Different things can cause that to be pee down the side of the bowl if you don't want the foam. So those sorts of things. Tons of foam, like two, three times as much as you've ever had before. You know, maybe check it out. Do a urine test strip. You know, check out with your your primary care doctor, your GP. And make sure no things coming on. But foamy urine can just be foamy urine. A lot of people have foamy urine. It's excessively foamy urine that may indicate high protein, protein in your urine. Protein in your urine can cause excessively foamy urine. Other things can cause foamy urine too. So just keep that in mind. It's not. It can be sensitive, which means that oftentimes, when you have protein in your urine, you're going to get foamy urine. But it's not specific, meaning that there are other things that can cause that to. It's not the only thing that can cause that. There are some things that are called pathonymonic, like if you have that symptom, that's what this means. Most things are not that. Most things have multiple, multiple causes. So yeah, so that's what I would tell them. That's what I would do. If you're worried about it, just get urine test strip. If there's protein showing up in your urine, go see your doctor. And, you know, and if you're doing carnivore, you're not doing carnivore. I would do carnivore because higher protein diets are actually going to show them to improve kidney function. And if you are losing protein, the last thing you want to do is stop eating protein. Because you're losing it. It's like if you have an oil leak in your car. Oh, I'm losing oil in my car. I'd say I need to stop putting oil in or else it's going to keep leaking out. Well, your engine will seize if you do that. So, you know, get the oil leak fixed, but also make sure you have enough damn oil. So, simply with protein, if you're losing protein, that means you need more protein of a higher demand for protein, not a lower demand. And the protein doesn't cause the kidney damage. The protein is a symptom of kidney damage, not the cause. And higher protein diets, again, have been shown to improve kidney function, low carb diets, zero carb diets, kidney genic diets, I've been shown to improve kidney function, not eating things toxic to your kidneys like oxalates, obviously improve kidney function. So, just some thoughts on that. But it's probably fine. You can check in your intestine if you are concerned. If there's protein in there, see your doctor or just see your doctor if you're concerned about these sorts of things, too. Okay, thanks everybody. That'll be, that'll be sort of it for today. Thank you so much. I really appreciate everybody coming on. I really appreciate the super chats. It's very generous of all of you. Try to do, you know, as many questions as I could, or not in there as super chats as well. But, obviously, I have to prioritize those because, because people have spent money and that's that's important. So, thank you all very much. And hopefully, see you next week, should be around the same time. Just double check my schedule for next week. Come on. Yeah, maybe an hour delayed for next week, starting at 11 a.m. Perth time or ish. Little after 11, because I've got a couple of meetings before that. I've got my 90 day challenge group. That's been going really well. So, we've got a lot of positive feedback, which is great. Obviously, when you start a new program, you don't know how it's going to be received or how beneficial people are going to find it. They seem to be really liking it. We have a community level where people just get added community support and access to some resources. And then the challenge level that has access to a ton of new resources and new videos and things like that, especially designed just to help walk you through optimizing a coronable diet. A lot of questions that we deal with on these lives are addressed in there as well. And then we get weekly Q&A sessions for a specific help. Past that, you know, if the videos have an answer to all questions, then we go into more detail there. And then a VIP group that is full at the moment, but they open up down the line where people get access to the challenge group and all the resources there, but also can message me one-on-one and get some more, you know, sort of one-on-one specialized support. And we do these at the beginning of the month community. Anybody can join it any time, but the VIP usually people can join it any time anyway just because they'll be able to help you more and more and more. But right now, that's that's a full because I don't have so many hours in the day that I can help people with. And the challenge starts once a month. So challenge group for January for the next three months is going and that's closed, but if people want to go on a wait list for February to start, which is once every month, right? And they'll go for 90 days. And so we'll start those every month. People can get on the wait list for February. If people are thinking of or if you could go do it more, but they need extra support. That's a good thing to do. I also have a lot of free videos online on the playlist getting started on a corner more diet. People just go on to that. If you want more sort of structured support in the community support and help, then the challenge is really really good for that. Also, if you are having started a corner with diet or want to start a corner with that, that's a really good way of doing it just sort of, yes, step-by-step. This is how you should approach this and some resources on why you should do it, why it's helpful, but it's very helpful for getting you going on it and answering those early questions and giving you more support. But also, interestingly, I'm speaking with the director of a company that looks at the microbiome and helps microbiome in Europe. We're interested in why people want to come to that. They need no fiber or all the traditional things that think this improves the microbiome. Why are we doing so? Why are we improving our health in so many different ways? Could it be that you can get an optimal microbiome in multiple different pathways? If we're eating our natural diet, should we get our natural microbiome? That is a very healthy and beneficial microbiome. This is something that needs to be studied. We have studies in Inuit, the Eskimos. It's just the car work for thousands of generations. They have very diverse and healthy microbiomes. Great. What about the rest of us, or are we going to have a similar effect? Also, where's your starting point? Where's your finishing point? Does that matter as well? We're going to have potentially people that can be part in a study. We might do a study on that on the microbiome of carnivores. Long-term carnivores like myself, especially people who have been very, very strict because that's important and not have just to know what the baseline is on people that are just eating meat and see what where our microbiome looks like. But then also before and afters and see if you start a carnivore before you start a carnivore diet. Is that going to be see what your microbiome is? Then after the three-month challenge, see what your microbiome is at that point. If you stayed strict and so we might open up the challenge to people who want to participate in that study for people that have been doing it long-term, especially people that haven't started yet, get their microbiomes first, and then check the microbiomes after three months or so. That would be very interesting. That would give us a really good data set and information for people. That's a major one. Always microbiome, your microbiome. People with a carnivore diet have very, very, very healthy outcomes. There's a lot of people anecdotally that are finding that their microbiome proves massively by going on a carnivore diet in just a few months. This will be really interesting to see how often that happens, how much it happens, for our range of things. Also, what that microbiome looks like and say, "Hey look, these guys have a microbiome. We don't really normally associate with good outcomes, but they're healthy as hell, and they don't have any bad health outcomes." Maybe the microbiome matters in those different contexts as well. Also, what you're eating, dig-takes your microbiome, what you're eating, dig-takes your health in a lot of cases as well. Some of that's going to be, well, this is your microbiome just because that's what you're eating, and maybe these bacteria help and make things better or worse, but your food is obviously going to make your food worse as well, because it's proper nutrients, and it does or does not have toxins in it. A little bit of information going forward that people can think about if you want to be part of that, keep that in your mind, and I'll be announcing that later for long-term carnivores as well as people getting started on a carnivore diet, seeing them before and afters would be really interesting. That would be for people that have not started a carnivore diet. You have to want to get the microbiome that they have at starting point A, and then check them through most down the line, or so that point B. So think about that. Maybe if you have family members or friends or think about this, maybe think about, have them think about it. They would like to be part of that study, and I'll be announcing more in the coming weeks. Okay. Thank you, everybody. It's great to see you. Thank you all for the questions. I really appreciate it, and we'll see you See you next time.