Episode 3 - Pulley injuries part 2

[music playing] Hey, welcome back to this a vaccine. I'm Steven joining me today. It's the filthiest man alive. Jack Heason. I really thought you were going to go with Adam for that one. Too easy. I really thought that you were going to think that I was going to go for Adam for that one and then that you would respond exactly the way that you did. So how about that? I'm playing 4D chess with you, buddy. Wow, what a terrible introduction. I'm getting my fucking crown, you know. I know. And you thought you were the ultimate filthy boy. No, I was going to introduce you as the man who wants to go out like divine sleep apnea at 42. Yeah, absolutely. I'm cruising for it. Yeah, you know, just you snore loud enough and God will say someone's knocking at the door and he'll just open it up and bring you on in. What's the alternative? Yeah, you're going to fucking live with those machines for the rest of your life now. Thank you. Oh, yeah, the little breathing machine. I think I think aren't you supposed to, I mean, you can get like surgery or they like drill your nose out or whatever. Or just not being a fat fuck, you know, that usually solves most of that. Haha, that out works. I'm pretty sure that's how it works. Can you, can you, can you, can't you be like, like, lean and fit and still snore? Yeah, I mean, my grandfather had sleep apnea. He was, he was certainly not a fat fuck, but, you know, he contributes. We'll say it's a strong contributing factor to sleep apnea. Yeah. Why do they have the differences? And this is my non scientific, but 100% correct observation. Like, there's people who snore and then there's people with sleep apnea. And those, like, it's, it's not the same. The Venn diagram, there's obviously overlap there, but like, you know, the thing is, it's like snoring people. It's, there's always like a steady cadence to it, you know, rhythm. Yeah, yeah. Whereas people with sleep apnea, holy shit, you, you, I mean, you just hear them and they're like, they sound like they're actively dying. That's where they forget to breathe, Steve. That's the apnea part of us. I don't think you forget to breathe. That's it. You can't. You just can't affect though, right? Yeah. Yeah. But it's okay. It's just like, you know, people with sleep apnea that he loved to, we should get him one of those colored ribbon things, you know, what color could the sleep apnea ribbon be? We'll have to think about that. I don't know. They're just like they're, they're the, the, the pug of the human world, you know, sleep apnea. I feel like this is going to bite you bite us on the ass. This is going to, this is going to be the episode that goes viral with our, with our common sunsleep apnea sufferer. The sleep apnea community. Do you get a cat? I'm going to tell you again, I, I, I, I have a bad diagnosis because Lord knows I'm not going to go sleep in some weird bed and, you know, get tests done. But I, I, I, I am a weird bad. I am a member of the fucking sleep apnea community undiagnosed or that was 100 per fucking set. So, you know, I speak with someone, TikTok that just says they have autism, even though they don't know for real. No, trust me. I, I was a snorer when I was younger and that I transitioned and they're like, boy, I can't sleep for more than six hours because I'm probably actively choking to death the entire night. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, probably. I don't know. I feel like another way you can, you can cure sleep apnea is just convince yourself that you don't have it because like how do you know if you're snoring loudly in an irregular pattern, you don't unless someone tells you, I guess. So if, and if someone said to me, hey, you know, you're, you're, you're, you're just snoring last night. I'd be like, wasn't me. And I don't have a problem. So it's up to think about, guys. Yeah. But, you know, I think I also have a leg up much like was being a drunk, which I'm not really anymore. I think that there's a certain power to the methodology of my sleeping that will save me from a sleep apnea death. I think a lot of it, you know, it's this back sleeping. You sleep on your back like most folks do. That's when you choke on you. That's when you get to choke them. I don't do that. I sleep, I sleep on my stomach like a lunatic. I think it is my theory is it will prevent death in the slumber. I'm a proud tummy time sleeper myself. Yeah. Exactly. We're not going to choke the death in our sleep, Steve. Yeah. Back issues, back issues, or breathing issues, whatever. It's just one where the human body was not designed for most of its activities. Yeah. Horrible crippling shoulder pain. I will definitely say that stomach sleeping leads to that. Thank you. You go chicken wing all the time. You rotate your cup completely wrecked by the time you're 40. Yeah. It's a bad time. Yeah. It's a bad time. It's not great. Well, hey, what are you going to do? Fix your life. I don't think so. No, what about tomorrow tomorrow? Tomorrow if they're like, hey, we give you a CPAP machine. Now you got to sleep on the back for the rest of your life. That would just, I would get less sleep than I do with the apnea. I probably would have just tangled up my way. I can't get one of those those bezies. Your little collar out the mattress at the top so your CPAP machine fits into it. You're just getting a big ass hole in your mattress for your CPAP machine. You should dig another one for your arms when you're like for whatever's underneath you just slide on in there. I like the idea of a virus buying a luxury platform bed from the 80s that used to house like an aquarium underneath it. But he just leaves it dry but drops of big ass sleep apnea machine in it. See, the problem here is again, this posits one chicken wing for a prolonged period of the night. Usually not, no, I'm fucking rumbling all over the place. I'm toss it and turn it. I'm switching out the arm, you know, what's going to happen to this fucking machine? It's going to get ripped to shreds. It's going to get ripped to shreds because you got multiple stances. You're not a one-stance guy. I'm on the move. I'm on the move all day. Stance. Exactly. Exactly. Again, I am the same way. I'm like, I'm like a pig got a little spit roast just kind of rolling around there. That's me. I just wake up all the sheets are off the bed. You're like, how that happened? You need to get all these fucking things out. You don't want to do fitness video called like dreamer size. It's all about like getting your movement in on the bed. I don't know if I'm an ideal spokesperson for this lifestyle. For abs or stuff. I didn't get a stunt double for the video, I guess, or whatever. But it's your idea. You should copy right that. It's like it would help if I just need to, if only I had a metabolism then I could really market this thing. What, what, what, could we just use you for the before and then we'll just find a different guy for the after. Yeah. Well, I could also, you know, just get man some of those. Yeah, the G L. Or whatever. We'll just start taking the juice, you know, and then I'll claim and I'll do my sleeper size. Do you want me to like go on Reddit and see if I can buy you some like illegal like injectable weight loss drugs or something? We'll just, we'll just juice you up. I mean, I'm, I'm pretty sure you pay your aunt here. I'm pretty sure I, I mean, I am certainly not a wealthy sort, but I think we've gotten to the point where they're just, you know, marketing this to everyone. Which means, which means we're like five years away from learning that it's going to kill you much faster than being a guy. Speaking of marketing to everyone, they've added for that shit with Serena Williams in them, which is probably the most insane marketing spokesperson I can imagine for a product like that. And so, does it make any sense? It's like, fellas, the only thing fat on her is that asked, why would you want to like, what's like professional athletes Serena Williams needs chemical assistance to lose weight? It's like, what the fuck? Well, I mean, to be fair, if they went by BMI, she's probably considered morbidly obese. Yeah, that's why BMI is hell's professional. Yeah. No, it is funny because like, you just see people that are just like the healthiest individuals alive and they're just juicing with the weight loss drugs. And you're like, man, what happened to like the good old days of crooked doctors? You know, not, I want to, I want to do little injectable drugs that make me skinny. Like, what happened to guys that would just sell you pills like straight up, you know, where's that guy? Where's Vic and doctor? Honestly, it pissed me off. We've got this whole Trump administration that's all like, you know, bring it back. Like, let's bring back the 80s. Let's bring back just white, rich assholes just running the world proudly just doing whatever they want or something like. At least start making quailudes again. Like bring that. I thought you were going to advocate for friend fan. Quailudes. We got to get friend fan back on the market. No, I would say quailudes. Yeah, I could go for some loads. Please get the. Can we have something good bring back the leads? Like if we have to put up all this other noise, can we get one cool thing back? I mean, what's the point of what's the point of outlawing loads? I guarantee the United's bad for his fentanyl or something. Let's get the ludes gone. Yeah, I agree. It's strange too, because it seemed like such a prevalent thing in like movies in the 1980s. had to be everywhere. Where they go? People just stop making, nobody just stops making drugs. Like there's all kinds of shit that's not even that like, why does anybody making PCP? What does that do? It's not that addictive. You just do it and then you fucking freak out and like kill people and run through fences, like you can't have fun. >> Sometimes you just got people to face officers problem. Like that's, yeah, that's awesome. It kind of turns you to a superhero. I wonder does this, what is like the practical application of a, is it, I mean, not that the practical application of methamphetamine is like a concentration and energy, but it does have that effect. Does PCP have a similar positive impact before you go and say an emitter caps? No, no, I actually, I just looked it up at it's like, it was originally developed in 1950s because they wanted to use it as an intravenous anesthetic. But it was quickly discontinued for human use by the 1960s because it would cause agitation and psychosis. Wow. Yeah. So yeah, there you go. Yeah. That's kind of. Yeah. So it's like a downer and what are you saying? Linitha. Oh, it's like alcohol, you know, but what's I think is technically like a dissociative drug. Yeah. So it's just like it distorts your perceptions of site sound and reality. And then it in addition to like causing psychosis, one of the most common side effects is giving users of the drug a false sense of you superhuman strength and invulnerability. All so like you're aggressive, you're paranoid, you're hallucinating things. And then you're like, okay, now it's time for me to like fuck shit up and also I'm invincible. So just turns you into a whack down superman. I'm just saying like we get all just walked through like 13 bullet wounds. Like just if we believe. I know. It's like faces of death was lying to me. It's not it doesn't actually make you superhuman. It's just a lie crazy. I guess they're gone. Whatever happened to bat salts. That was a big thing like 10 years ago. Oh, yeah. No, they they stopped. They stopped making them the same way. I can't change the rest. You can't get fucked up about that. But that's all it's original. We got to like do the Coca-Cola. I didn't. Yeah. Passels is yeah, best salts. Now are like new coke. Yeah. We got we got fucking the freedom now. That's the new shit. Oh, freedom is great. Which I thought was like a fear mongering thing. But then you know, NBA star. Well star NBA player. Good solid player Brandon Clark died recently and there. There was rumors of an overdose and they said he had a drug arrest. And I was like, Oh, what are you going to arrest it for? It was like here to a half pounds of freedom. I'm like crazy. What do you he died about? Freedom. Rested for like doing gas station. I knew a guy you've got really like you got heavily into. I don't even remember. It wasn't create him with something like that. But yeah, one of those ones it was like legal technically. And I mean, he got like heavily hooked on it and like everything he said about it made sound like absolutely miserable. Like it just sucked ass like it wasn't a good time. It didn't make you feel good. It wasn't it anyway enjoyable. But somehow he got addicted to it. Like he's using it all the time and feeling like shit. Now I want to know what it was. Was it the fucking Salvia? I think it was like a big powder of some description. It could be like K2. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, K2 is. Yeah, he would he would like mix it in like you make shapes of the stuff. We're going to sell be a shake. So it's going to make me a selfie shake tonight. Salvia is so stupid. That's just like you just buy the shut out the internet. But you buy it. You just do it in your dorm room. Life is bad enough. You're not doing drugs to feel worse. Like that's the most it's like this people who are into bandage. I had a great time on Salvia. People are like pushing you to like a hundred bandage real tablets. Just to feel worse than they've ever felt in their entire lives. It's like you could just watch a movie. You could do anything else. Yeah, I can't I can't meet my sleep paralysis, Steven. If I'm watching a movie instead of smushing together a hundred bedded trails. And someone with a I got in front of someone with a ridiculously high drug tolerance. A manager. I guess I'm one of those fucking anti histamine sensitizers or something. If I have like one of those it's nighttime for 12 hours. You got to push there's there's like a barrier you have to push through. And you can have the worst time of your life. Bad just wow. That sounds great. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, it's got to get past it, man. It's good. It's good. Yeah. Well, what is this of anything to do with today's episode? Yeah, John Waters. He I mean, they did tons of drugs. I would imagine. Yeah. And we got a new Patreon tier now. It's just like, so here's what we'll do. It the long time optimism vaccine heads might remember like a decade ago when we used to like write stuff and not podcast. We did a thing where we bought every single pumpkin beer that they had at like multiple liquor stores. And this was like peak craft beer, right? And we had how many was it was like fucking like 50 different bottles of shit. And we drank all of them and then we tried to like write. Like we tried to rank them and write stuff about them. But as you can imagine, all we did was stay up until 4 a.m. drinking pumpkin beer. And we also hated all of them and did not get drunk. No, it was really shitty. The whole thing was horrible. It was like the better drill experience, I guess. Now we'll do it with like mostly legal gas station drugs. So we'll do Benadryl, we'll do K2, we'll do Cratum. Cratum sounds great. That sounds like a like a cool metal band like Cratum, you know? Like they would be great. I love this for us. So yeah, donate to the Patreon. We'll buy a bunch of gas station drugs. I guess. That's a great plan. Yeah. Myros is just walking around after like four different boner pills called like ultimate rhino gold. A footy would be a ultimate rhino gold cured sleep apnea. That would be awesome. We okay. That's another Patreon tier. Donate a certain amount and we'll make myros take boner pills from the gas station until he stops storing. He's still much but propped up just enough for the air to just like it is like. That's fucking great. I love that. The air can circulate around you like you said a convection oven. Oh my god. Okay. Yeah. So we're talking about John Waters. This is great. You know, I've been a John Waters fan for a really long time. And I have seen a few of his like like shorts and stuff that he did like early, early stuff. But I had never watched his first feature film, Mondo trash show. And it's one of the few things where it might be the only thing that he's ever made where he doesn't seem to think too fondly of it over the years. Like it hasn't, as an agent wall like you can go back and look at his early stuff. And I mean, he'll say tons of great things about pink flamingos and multiple maniacs. But Mondo trash show he's mostly like the best thing I could say about it is it's proof that you can make a movie for no money at all. And he does that. And it's black and white. It's 16 millimeter. There's no dialogue. It is just a little tinny. I mean, it was yeah, no, that's it. Yeah. No sync sound. Yeah. But it's like just tinny music blasting in your ears. And the most overexposed 16 millimeter film that you've ever seen in your entire life, which I got I got a feel for the guy too. Cause yeah, that's always a great feeling. You shoot something on 16 millimeter and then you go to to look at it like now. There's just lightly get everything looks like asked. Awesome. Do you imagine someone clean really love that? So he imagined we were looking at this like crystal clear sparkling Mondo trash show. Vigorous and we'll probably do this. So they have a chance. But I think it would just be eerie to watch this movie like looking good. I mean, much more interested in an audio remaster than right visual clean up. Just a Dolby at most. It's just something that doesn't sound like at AM radio where you're like just leaving the range. I mean, to be honest, like the thing about this movie is the audio like the audio track is actually a far more energy. I think was expenditure on that than the images. Cause I imagine it's got to be a pain in the ass to edit. Yeah, he's cutting in and out of tone like classic like tunes and using refrains of dialogue and chorus within, you know, the tunes to comment on the action. That's like, like honestly, that's probably the main thing about Mondo trash. Or like that's the like big artistic conceit of that. It's just him and his friends just doing weird shit on screen. Yeah. It's it really does. It feels, I mean, it is, it is very John Waters in the sense that it's, it's got all of the bad taste and shock value that you've come to expect from him. But none of the plot or the, or the wit necessary is coming through. Yeah, it's just, I mean, yeah, I mean, it opens with the classic John Waters calling card of a man dressed kind of like a game executioner murdering like at least three to four chickens. So like you're right in the immediate, you're like, okay, I know John Waters made this. I can understand that entirely. But yeah, it's sort of a loose. But I mean, I think Waters is on record same self that in retrospect, this should have been a short movie. And I think these probably correct. Yeah. Like it's a very 90 minutes is a little much. It should have been about 20. Yeah, it's got a very loose storyline about the, uh, laid the bombshell, this blonde woman who is waiting for a boss and she heads off. And then she gets run over by divine, uh, who takes her under her wing while she's recovering and takes her to the doctor who, uh, amputates her feet. And there's some naked dancing in the middle and appearances of the Virgin Mary. And then we have some pigs fucking, um, not police officers, just literal pigs fucking in mock. And, uh, yeah, it's, it's kind of a series of things. But like, I would say, in this movie there's like eight things happen but it's an hour and a half long. Like it seems just lasts for like three minutes. Like she goes, it opens with the woman after the murder chickens which is a pretty sprightly part of the runtime to be honest. We go to the bombshell waiting for a boss and I think she must be waiting for that boss for like four minutes. I don't know. It's just she's just hanging out. Like we're waiting with her. Which fine. Maybe if you know some fancy Taiwanese guy made it in the 1984 way, they're like oh the genius of cinema, the temporal aspects. But it is also kind of like maybe we don't need to see your wait for the boss quite this long. I don't know why it is that. It also that also bookends the film. We were the end was also a terribly long wait for the bus. I mean I guess make movies about what you know. The end is interesting though because it mirrors the end of like multiple maniacs and it's kind of this interesting element of water's early films I guess which is like ostensibly normal people just hurling abuse at people they think are flakes which is you know which which of course renders the normal person quote unquote as like seemingly ugly awful monster. I don't you know I don't even know what is even going for a moralistic point of view but it comes off a little bit like that. But I think he's mostly just like you know we don't fit in and we love it so. Yeah. Yeah. And it is quintessentially John Waters but also I can't imagine anybody watching this for anything other than to be a completionist of his work or I guess academic purposes. It's yeah it's it's all the little things that you like about John Waters but just nothing is jelling and nothing is coming together. And God it as soon as the man discovers the power of synchronized sound it's almost like that's when everything starts to click into place because multiple maniacs you want to talk about like a huge step up from Mando Trasho I don't think it gets like it's a massive yeah. Yeah. It's still completely raw. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Multiple maniacs is it like it is what like how fully formed water suddenly feels just by getting like having a soundtrack link up to have his characters be able to like really converse with each other and Mando maniacs is interesting because it's like again it's not a tight film like the scenes meander on as the characters just like scream at each other largely just throw around insults and abuse. But it's kind of like it's got more of a I guess they have more kind of like treated locations I mean I'd granted the main location I'm pretty sure is John Waters apartment and complete with like posters for like boom and cold sack and my Zetterlings night games and pretty poison oh and and possibly his theorem which I never really thought about before but yeah I reckon John Waters probably fucking loved theorem I reckon he left that cinema floating on a cloud when he first saw that movie so that does make sense to see the poster in there but yeah yeah like multiple maniacs is really where I think he starts to understand that it's not just about his the people he knows just filming them doing goofy things he starts to really particularly for divine I mean this is multiple maniacs is kind of the film where you discover that like divine is just this incredible presence on camera completely uncorpornal filtered like and not particularly what you say harnessed in multiple maniacs in any particular way I think they're all still learning the ropes but divine just like cuts through as this like utterly compelling figure maybe you know you're not exactly sure why it's just completely just I mean obviously by the end of the movie which we'll get into which is some events if not no traction which we're done events and multiple maniacs has several significant events in it one of which involves divine getting raped by a lobster I think great I'm not 100% sure attacked by a giant lobster but in any case it's one of those sequences that is just finally yeah and it but it's one of the people for multiple maniacs is good it's a entertaining movie and then that happens completely out of nowhere there is no reference to a lobster or anything like this prior and she's in her own apartment when this lobster just appears and that happens and it's one of the most incongruous insane things you'll ever see in a movie and it is like a lightning bolt it's like you're just like this is incredible like it makes sense somehow and it turns divine and you know afterwards it turns into the seeding basically fucking coyd you like literally just I mean it feels very much like a reference to like yeah it'll be your the sea monster yeah yeah it's it does feel that well like along with other thing you know like I guess there's like a surrealism element I think a dolly I think painted some some lobsters and things as well but like I don't know if there's any specific thing other than just be this completely disruptive element like this complete like you know a record scratch just like everything you know about this movie no longer exactly counts the way you thought it did and something else is happening and it's such a bold look which is like the Leo's correct thing too yes like real Leo's corrects would sort of revisit a very similar concept with just like making Denille a vant like hey what if you're just like trash man god's and let me tell you it's a concept that works to this day bring me all your trash man fucking indie godzilla nonsense because it's great yeah and it's it's just like multiple maniacs like let me talk about like divine basically goes insane after this and she starts just walking the streets about Baltimore and like I suppose what's not evident in multiple maniacs up until this point is that it's not like none of these movies are particularly cinematic normally in in the concept of framing and and mise en scene right they're very much like he's using a handheld camera he's just kind of like swinging around to whoever's talking and moving through the scene you know probably did some kind of blocking but they also may not have for many of the scenes and but when divine is like stomping through the streets of Baltimore the the cameras is shooting her from like the waist up but like a slightly lower angle and it gives her this looming like Kaiju godzilla presence and that right there is it's like I feel like that's like John Waters is unlocked like suddenly we're like okay you know instantly watching you're like okay I understand where this guy came from like this is immediate like this guy is going places yeah yeah yeah there are definitely those moments in this movie right like this movie feels like a there is this artistic undercurrent to it and it is incredibly amateurs don't right don't be you know don't be expecting something remotely polished I mean I don't think you ever really get there with John Waters but this is this has the feeling of sort of that home movie aesthetic there most of his crew of people at this point are quite uncomfortable like visibly uncomfortable in front of the camera like there is this and some of the takes and pacing like there is this scene with mixed ol and divine where she's just like her her eyes are drifting all over the camera lens and it feels like he's hanging on it for like seconds and seconds too long and there yeah I mean there are segments of this movie where you're like all right I'm a little out of patience with this but where it gets to by the end you're like okay okay now this is I get it like this might be I this might be my favorite of the three we cover this week I believe and I don't think it's as like complete an artistic statement as something like pink flamingos is but just the highs in this movie again the ending of it is fucking incredible and the concept that is introduced in a mando trash show where he's playing with this religious iconography and divine is having these visions and blah blah it is essentially really fleshed out in in this film and this long sequence where big stole is like fucking playing with the vines asshole the church and it's just like this long long ridiculous they're they're reciting I don't even know what there were some sort of pants oh it's the stations of the cross yeah and god the whole thing is intercut with divine like loudly moaning and it's just it's trashy as hell it's insanely paced where you're like good god how long could we keep this gag going and yet it is like pure art it's fucking rules I can't get enough of it like I I really appreciate the hell out of this movie yeah it is very funny how clearly waters is openly trying to piss people off like I mean the yeah it's solemnizing divine with a with a rosary in a church is like yeah and like 1970 that's that's gonna hurt people even just hearing about it let alone seeing it just knowing that happened in their local town it's just gonna get people annoyed and clearly he's there for us well and I think with waters too is not only does he do things that they're genuinely gonna piss people off and he knows it and that's why he's doing it but I think it's the kind of thing where if people were to say oh I hear this happens in the movie and then you see it and it's actually even worse than what you probably heard and how often does that get to happen right like oh and it is great because I mean this is how he sorts he sort of starts to build his legacy and who he is it is you know his infamous persona that he's cultivated here because yeah, you got to think like the people who saw this movie and then told other people about this movie. It's just absolutely unhinged shit. It's the kind of stuff that, you know, would definitely more than ruffle a few feathers. And even now, I mean, God, we're going to get to pink flamingos in a second. This is the kind of movie where I was, I was blown away because you know, I'm like, this is, this feels a lot more shocking now than most things that people try to pass off as upsetting or there's some sort of stuff. Yeah. I mean, consider the context too. Like I think the big defining difference between Mando Tresho and multiple Minyx and Pink flamingos, you know, beyond waters, just kind of growing as an artist and his collaborators becoming comfortable participating in this art and collaborating is the Manson murder. And you know, that's kind of the big difference where all of a sudden his little gang of dreamlanders is very much drawn in parallel intentionally by waters himself with the fucking Manson family. And yeah, what a thing to see in 1970. I got to imagine it would indeed be quite shocking. Yeah. The legacy is really funny because because multiple Minyx was, I didn't realize this. Like I it criteria and restored it like five or six years ago. I didn't realize so prior to that the movie had been basically completely unavailable for like nearly 20 years. So like, I guess I might have gotten a DVD release or something, but like it was, it was not really available. Prince and like weren't there. It was pretty much almost like a lost movie I ate to my understanding until Criterion managed to track down original elements and restore it. And I think it's really funny now because you look at the movie and you're obviously like, well, yeah, this is, this is a volatile film. And then to realize that this is the only one of the three movies we're talking about that's currently available to stream anywhere. And it's like on fucking HBO. It's really odd. I don't know. Waters movies, it's funny too because I mean, his entire career, this like cult filmmaker, it was all sort of like this midnight movie into the VHS market into, you know, now everybody knows who John Waters is basically. And talking about Pink Flamingos, there's a movie that, I mean, when it came out, it happened to hit right around the same time as, you know, something like El Topo was becoming a big midnight movie. Really the concept of the midnight movie was born with Yoderowski and El Topo. And then for him to be there, John Waters to be there with something that's, you know, it's just completely shocking, but in a different way, whereas El Topo is much more like Art House Fair. And then to go from that to basically getting cred in the gay community and through the power of homosexuals and VHS rental stores, he just becomes this godlike cult figure to the point where Pink Flamingos is a movie that if you haven't seen it and you watch it, you're going to be like, holy shit, it is all over the fucking place. It is just, just filthy and shocking. And yet for some reason, more people than you think have seen this, you probably, your mother has seen this movie. Okay. Seriously, like at some point, they've seen this. It's, it's nuts, like the amount of people that have seen this movie and to go from something like Montotrasial to multiple maniacs to Pink Flamingos, all of which have these like massive leaps, but keep the same sort of chaotic energy and you know, cheapness to them to go from that to a mainstream Hollywood filmmaker. Well, I think is right. That's like the power of hairspray and his filmography, right? Your mom likes hairspray and she says, oh, what else has this guy done? Oh, it's second-famous movies. This is probably either polyester or this thing called Pink Flamingos. Let's check that out. And all of a sudden, you're watching a very fucking different thing than the hairspray. I'll tell you that. Yeah, I mean, it's very much the, the progress from like subversion to mainstream, but it's just like how did what, like how did this become mainstream? Like how did divine, you know, like divine power to the mainstream simply by sheer force of presence, you know, she just she had to be in there. You couldn't ignore her. Oh, the image of divine in the red dress, like holding gun, like the pink flamingos cover that you saw on VHS copies of this on, you know, just anywhere, like just that iconography is so famous that even if you've never seen pink flamingos, you can see that poster and go like, I know what this is. And yeah, I mean, it's just, it's incredible. But yeah, or if you've never seen pink flamingos, you still know, oh, that's the movie where the drag queen eats the dog shit. Everybody knows why pink flamingos talking about like just the insane breath of water's career. Pink flamingos, the film that, you know, has a person eating dog shit and has a sequence of guy flexing his anus for an accordion, an ordinary matter time. Actually, one of the only parts to movie I, I last saw pink flamingos in college. I remember that scene being much longer. So that's something. But I just think it's really funny that I just tolerance for asshole has. So I guess I guess I just felt like breezy now. But I thought it was really funny to starting up a pink flamingos in 2026. It opens with a library of Congress loco. And you're like, this is why America is still good sometimes because this can happen. Yeah, every once in a while, we'll get it right. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's, it is really funny. And especially talking about pink flamingos is this movie that has been so influential and just so widely seen. And yet you'll watch it today. And you're like, this is still incredibly shocking. And in some ways, it is more shocking than things that people have been trying to make for decades after to be more shocking. It just, it works on a different level. And I love that just in concert with the fact that this chain saw a massacre energy to kind of like it just has like this vague feeling of being just slightly out of control and a little bit like this, like why did this get made? Yes. Showing up every day to make pink flamingos like showing up at a workplace and rolling up your sleeves because you watch it. And it's, it's, I mean, it's so like gleeful and just just wonderful watching it. But at the same time, you're like, I wonder if anybody went to jail and there's multiple times for you see things and go, I don't know. You know, even when they're, because explaining the plot of this movie is like again, fucking gonzo. But one of the elements of the plot is there's this couple and they what they run an adoption agency and they get babies, not from like just getting babies that are abandoned. They keep a woman or women in their cellar. And then they impregnate them and then they like harvest the babies. But there's all these seeds where like they're, they're like, there's an actual baby like an actual infant. And they're like fighting while one person is just holding the infant their hands. I'm like, I'm pretty sure this baby just caught a left fucking hook in a movie that is currently held the library of Congress. I mean, fun when you go back on because it's worth mentioning like Mondo trashos, as far as I'm aware, they did get arrested filming a scene in that. There's one scene, which is really funny, considering all the stuff the waters would go on to do. They got arrested for a pick, having a naked hitchhiker in one scene, just public nudity or whatever they, they all got arrested. And it's just like, do you know what they were doing elsewhere for this film? I know. Subsequently, but great. Yeah. And I don't know for yeah, further along and being flamingos, you've got a sex scene where like the guy's sister enjoys watching him have sex. And then he invites this woman over and the sister is watching him fuck this woman. But also he's, he's specifically like, I got a special one for you today. And it's just him like holding chickens while he's banging her. And she's like, no, not chickens. Oh, the chickens. I mean, it's got two great sex sequences because it's got that. And then it's also got David Lockery and Big Stool just like frantically sucking on each other's feet while making no other sexual contact. But like that's yeah, as they would just I thought you're going to talk about the scene where divine blows her son. There was also that which apparently apparently was John Waters at like pastiche of like the growing a porno chic era, which is really funny. It's like pastiche was just having a gay sex blow job on the screen. But sure. And then she's just like, I want to give you the ultimate gift to child. And I'm like, Oh, God, what the fuck? Yeah, this one has some interesting, you know, ideals about sex. And we were just like, you know, David Lockery in addition to the bizarre foot fetish thing is also a flasher who walks around like showing his cock with like a fucking turkey neck tied. It's just, there's lots of insane nonsense in this movie. And boy, yeah, I, it's hard to imagine this ever had a strong audience That's right. Like it. if this is again, oh man, young a clouds again, but imagine this being the least today. Where would it be released? Who would be the audience? How would it ever fucking exist? - Yeah, I don't know, like the audience is today. Like I feel like we're this weird space now, where like people, you know, our age and a little younger like grew up and you know, we just watched like life leak and shit and you could see like genuinely awful shit unfold in real life. And then, you know, I don't like, we're weirdly denationalized, or like desensitized to these things. Like I don't know, Pink Flamingo's isn't that weird gold and era where it was like you were able to push those boundaries, but people were not necessarily ready for it and they just had to kind of like push through, you know, it was kind of like, you know, like you either bucket up or get out, you know. Which I think was probably a really positive thing. I'm sure Pink Flamingo's changed several people's lives for better or worse, who knows, but changed it for sure. And nowadays, I don't know, like you can just show people out trade, disgusting, gons of stuff, but like half it's been corrupted by like fear factor and crap. That's just turned, you know, people's miseries have been turned into commercial sales. And like it's kind of straight like in one way, Pink Flamingo is as crazy, you know, and hinged as it is seems almost, you know, kind of whimsical and like fun in a way that like even relatively benign entertainment now doesn't. Which I think because there's one interesting thing and like it's not exactly a thesis, but like divine in Pink Flamingo's is like proudly both tightly the filthiest person in the world. She is just this deplorable human being and it's a title she guards closely and apparently it's a title someone has bestowed on her officially. However that process takes place. And these other two people are trying to take that title from they believe they're more fitting of the title of the most filthy people. But they're more like it's strange 'cause we discuss they have their like feet sucking sex in and he's a flasher and they, you know, like a lot of the things do suggest they are true freaks, but also like their baby, you know, adoption scam, you know, and having like in in house help who's basically a slave that they, you know, they just, you know, beat him and lock him up and torture him and stuff. Has these kind of elements of like kind of like monetization, you know, that divine's clan seem to completely issue. They don't seem to make money from what they're doing. They're just deplorable disgusting people for the love of the game whereas, you know, Mink Stoll and Dave Lockeray's characters are like specifically, you know, they make a living from being filthy, which cheapens their filtiness. It's not like an exact science 'cause like I say, they do some pretty odd stuff still. But like I feel like that's kind of part of like the idea that permeates pink flamingos is like a true, the true filthy people, you know, the truly deplorable kind of like they know, like they live it. It's like just a state of mind. It's not something you can like lower yourself into. Yeah, these other people are like trying to blend in the society, right? You know, they're doing it. Exactly. Yeah, they live in their little house and, you know, when they talk to people and they go to the post office and stuff like this, whereas divine literally threatens to murder the postman wouldn't even show up. You know, but yeah, I feel like now we're in that stage where everyone's basically like Mink Stoll and David Lockeray's character, like all of entertainment is just people play acting at being depraved in the hope that people will pay attention to them. And that's all we have now, you know, that's my thinking. We couldn't make pink flamingos anymore. We've somehow were too depraved for this disgusting, odious film. Well, I think there's like an important distinction. I'm glad we're running this, you know, kind of concurrently with Andy Milligan because I think it's gonna become more stark as we move forward. But there's such a bitterness in Milligan's filmmaking. That where the content is perhaps less objectionable. In fact, the most objectively less objectionable. But the tone is so completely and utterly different. There is such a almost whimsical joy to these films. You know, regardless of what the fuck they're doing, this is, you can look at this movie and you could say and some people do and they go, oh my God, this John Monter's is a piece of shit. Like he's killed these animals and his films and look, he made his lead eat a piece of dog shit. But that's not the spirit of this film. Like this spirit of this is, I'm sure that divine was like, sure, I'll do it because you know, there is this boundless collaboration and the way that the lens through which this filth is viewed, it's almost like an eight year old kid's idea of what would be gross. What would shock the adults? Like it's got such a wonder to it in its way. (laughs) - Yeah, there's almost like a religious frenzy to it all, just like, you know, the push through. You become yourself through these acts. You truly find yourself in it. And yet, I think it's an interesting, yeah, like compare it to Andy Milligan's work. I think it is really interesting that Billigan's work ostensibly through these early films. Certainly, not so much of vapors and seeds, I'll admit. They're very unusual films. They're not in and of themselves. But, you know, with the ghastly ones, and certain other early Milligan films, here's much more of a, normally a commercial structure on his films. Like they have genres. Normally that they stutter, they have mysteries and reveals. They have like, you know, kind of like stories to tell. And John, well, like I think what's really interesting about John Waters starting off, particularly with these three movies is that like, none of them have a sailable concept. None of them have like, you could not walk in and pitch these movies to people with money. Like they would be like, what is the, like what is the story of Pink Flamingo? It's like there is no story. It's just, you know, depravity and competing oddballs doing nonsense, you know, but like there's no, you know, larger structure or story tie in that would like, you know, make this a coherent film project that you could market. It's like a comedy or a mystery or an action film. It's, so it's kind of funny that, you know, I think Milligan to a sense while still kind of trying to stick to his guns, but like Martin, I think largely just hemmed in by the just complete absence of finances. And we're still trying to make something that could just kind of like be slapped on a double bill with a poster saying like it's, you know, a gory mystery movie or it's a, you know, it's you've never seen anything like it before. Whereas like John Waters just seemed to effortly, just realized that his own natural proclivities and his past and his ensembles just kind of magnetic gravitas, you know, as you say, almost like is this Manson family kind of ask sort of like troop, you know, just this cult of personality around them. And they don't need a story. They don't need to fit in. They are the draw in and of themselves. That's kind of how Pink flamingos works. And Pink flamingos kind of took off as a midnight movie because you had to see it because it was full of disgusting insane things that people filmed. And it's like you know when it filmed stuff like this before surely and not for entertainment purposes, not for broad release. But also, you know, it was kind of like just an unusual film just a film that wasn't like other films. And I think it's kind of interesting that Waters somehow threaded that needle successfully to kind of pull through it. I think a lot of that just came from the fact that he is able to thread humor successfully through. He's able to lean in, I mean like his voice over that he does himself in Pink flamingos in this outrageous Baltimore accent that just like just announces scenes is like, meanwhile back at their house. And it's like, there's no like, there's no story. But like his narrator that just announces the next scene, like we just like turn the page in a comic book. And we're in a different story now, but it's the same movie. But it works. It's great. It's funny. And he's able to just thread that needle of having a movie that shouldn't work. Like Pink flamingos shouldn't work on paper. Multimaniacs shouldn't work. But yeah, it does. It's really pretty engrossing and fun and entertaining. And I would say to on the topic of like what separates a John Waters from any Milligan. And I think in terms of both career trajectory and just like this sort of energy they bring to their films, you couldn't have to, you know, more diametrically opposed people. But the story of the dog poop, the famous dog poop scene in Pink flamingos, okay. The crew followed around a dog in Baltimore for like three days, just waiting for it to take a shit. Three days of just this dog's good shit. It's gonna shit one of these days. And then immediately as soon as the dog shits, then they just they start filming and like they just do the whole thing, right? And so just dedicating three days to that. Whereas I feel like Andy Milligan, if given the opportunity, would stay up for 72 hours straight and make his actors work so he could finish a whole ass movie and try and sell it. So it's like two completely different mindsets, more or less. And you know, and don't get me wrong. I love me some Milligan. But yeah, it's just kind of, You're gonna get different results. It's an interesting day out of me, right? There's one of these people where it feels like everyone involved is legitimately invested and having fun. And there is nothing fun about it. No, Andy Milligan, it feels like he's got everyone trapped in the room and they're other being, you know, basically he's got a gun and he's holding it on them so he can make his movie. That's what it feels like. Yeah, like I absolutely loved seeds, but good God. Like all the purple prose monologues and it's just dripping with this like rage and resentment this early in his career. And this is such again, we're talking about three days following around a dog for a scene that is not even in this fucking movie really. Wow, it's like the horror movies. It's like the horror movies stud. Yeah, it's like the credit sequence. There's nothing to do with the rest of the movie. Like they need this at all. Like, you know, it's just like, well, I guess we could do this. Sure. Whatever. It's so like you talk about the structure of this movie where you like what is this? Usually you'd get some sense of that in, you know, this big end monologue. Like the divine and the reporter stuff is all fucking gold. It's all so goddamn funny. But this huge model actually is about like, you know, condoned first to cremert. It's like, it sounds again. It is very much divine as Charles Manson, despite the fact that the cast of both of these letter two movies is essentially like the regular John Waters players. And then if you look up who the guy is who kind of looks like Charles Manson, it's just like random guy who looks like Charles Manson was never in another movie. That was just part of the rotating crew. We got to get a Manson type in here, even though, you know, against expectations. It's it's always divine. Who is the Manson figure? And this is it's the monologue is so ludicrous. Like what is being said is in theory, it feels angry. But the way it's delivered and the toe to the fill, you know, even the palate in this film, my god, it doesn't feel that way. It doesn't feel that way for a second. And it's it's not meant to. And again, you're giving a long-scree. But now, you know, we should basically kill the rich and, you know, we, well, kill them all, kill everyone who's participating in society, essentially. And there's an authenticity to that sentiment. I'm sure from this crew of outsiders, but it's also delivered very tongue in cheek. And it just feels so goddamn fun. Like it's legitimately funny. You're getting across that sort of anger and rejection without being angry and rejected. Yeah, it's pretty incredible. And this is pink, pink flamingos for sure, but all three of these movies, it's like they, they channel this, this feeling that you will not get anywhere else. This, it's like confusion and joy and disgust all at once. And it's beautiful. It's beautiful. It's a whole new emotion that John Waters is able to evoke. And you will see things that you had never seen before and we'll never see again. Yeah. And you'll see, you're not going to watch another movie where a guy sings with his butthole to Serfenberg by the trash man. And if you don't know what that is, do you remember the 90s like Pringles commercial with the, was it Taj Bowery from Smart Guy, the TV show? And yeah, it's that song. It's that one. It's been in a bunch of different things. I think it's on, I think it's on family. Yeah, I'm pretty your family. Family. I'm really, really introducing it. Oh, I was generally that one. There you. Yeah. It's funny about like Pink flamingos, pretty good. It's also, you know, I think it's a very funny because it's, it's, it's also surely a movie that introduced a whole bunch of probably fairly homophobic white guys to gay culture without them really clocking it. To a whole generation who suddenly knew who divine the, the drag queen was. And that's like, you know, and it's like, it's just winning the game by just completely, just making up your own rule set. Like John Waters just, like basically just kind of like did his own thing. And so ostentatious, it just kind of like came out on top. Like he didn't matter. Like I don't know, like could a homophobia have affected Waters career? No, he's like, he invented some like sneaky third way through to like coast on homophobia to deliver homo, homosexual content. Like a just queer content generally. It's this syncedious subversive stroke. I think it's just really, really funny. Yeah. Truly the best. God damn love John Waters. And yeah, this is, I like that we're doing this too that we're, we're kind of oscillating between John Waters and Andy Milliken. This is hard because we shot you down for trying to do back to back Milligan episodes. So he wanted to do back to back to back. Yeah. Right. Right. We're like, no, Milligan, I don't think even Andy Milligan would recommend that although maybe you would because he probably just like us. Yeah, we will do, we're going to do Milligan's whole career and then we end in ritualistic suicide. It's great. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, this is fun. But I do love that this is the palette cleanser. It's like, no, yeah, how do we? Oh, geez, like all these, this Andy Milligan stuff. How do we cleanse our palette? Well, we need an obese woman with crooked teeth sitting in a baby carriage thing with filthy underwear on yelling, I love the egg band. Like that's, that's, that's your antidote right there to Andy Milligan. It's all you need. The person who again became like a pop culture phenomenon of the 80s, all the media's messy. Yeah. I miss what culture had interesting and weird things and not just a bizarre mash of garbage. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the, the masses got more, more secret than any goddamn reality TV star you could think of. Like she's genuine home grown, you know, kind of entity. Mm hmm. Well, we should probably wrap things up. I'm sure you guys want to get back to your Milligan watching. So, you know, you're going to let you do that. But before we do that, why are we putting over this week? Good Lord. I literally watch fucking absolutely this week. Yeah. No, I honestly have no fucking idea at all. I, I, I have watched some basketball and that's about it. And I'm not putting over basketball because it's over now and, and you know, I'm putting, I'm putting over Trey G'Lindon going and getting a second star for the pistols because that was, that was a sad way to go out. Yeah, it was, it was pretty sad. It was rough. Hard out here for basketball fans. I don't know. Yeah, I, I don't, I don't want the, the next to win and I don't want, I certainly don't want Oklahoma City to win. So I don't know who am I rooting for? Like, are the calves the canonically good team to, to like root for? No, I'm not. I guess. I'm going to go, I think the canonically correct team to root for is probably the next, I mean, they haven't won an NBA title in like 50 years. Yeah, but their fans are so annoying. And I mean, that's like rooting for the Cubs, you know, like, come on. Yeah, but everyone kind of was back then, you know, you know, the Bartman, everyone kind of wanted to see the Cubs win, right? I guess. I feel like fans are at that point with a nice. It's sufferable pricks. I'll say that loud and frown. I would say the, no, no to the calves because James Harden and fuck that guy and no to Oklahoma City because fuck that team that city, you know, you're fucking all fucking, they stole the super sonics, fuck them. Uh, so I guess it's, it's either the nicks or if you don't want to root for New York to win anything, you go spurs, you go spurs. But what about, what about the, the Wembee elbow? People are mad about the Wembee elbow. Uh, I think that was more just a consequence of him being fucking gigantic, you know, everyone throws that elbow to get off me elbow. It's just so happens. He's like a foot taller than everyone. So it almost blew a guy's, he does have the proportions of gumbee. His arms are very long. So I suppose that's fair. Uh, for all you non basketball heads out there, just to just imagine the largest man on earth elbowing someone in the face. Uh, yeah. You know, I, I will say one thing that I did enjoy recently. I thought, well, maybe this will be my putover. I put it over the city of Minneapolis. I was there for work for a week. And one of the things I noticed is people just would walk around downtown and they're just yelling, "Nos, read!" It just for just that nothing, just yelling, "Nos, read." What a fun thing to do. That's so great, right? Just yelling, "Nos, read." Does passerby is great. Uh, 10 out of 10. Love that. So, uh, Jack, what do you put over this week? Well, you know, I've also not been watching any other movies other than, uh, you know, John Waters and Andy Milligan has, you know, balanced diet dictates. Yeah, yeah. So, you know what? I'm going to put over a band. I recently discovered the issue when you put over a band is that everyone was like, "Oh, you've never heard of these guys before or whatever." But, uh, you know, maybe that'll happen, but I don't care. I discovered this, this Mexican punk band called "Sawies." They're like a punk new wave band that formed like, they were really brief career from like 79 to like 83 or something. But they, and I don't know if any of their stuff got really like released at the time. I think like a compilation came out in the 90s. But, uh, the band is called "Sawies" and they're fantastic. Cause it's like, it's like punk, but would like just tons of like, like, almost prog rock synthesizer nudely jammed in. It's really great. It's fantastic. So yeah, a size, they're a really good band. I, I recently happened upon them and I was like, this is not, this doesn't sound like stuff I've heard before. This is pretty cool. There's a reminder that. some really cool shit was happening around that time and that like a punk kind of decayed down into all these other different things as the musicians learn to play better, I think. Which, you know, I say that as an avid punk fan, so I'm allowed to say that, but, you know, yeah, size. Mexican, Mexican punk rock band, punk new wave. They're great, they're fun. - Right, shake 'em out. - Wonderful, wonderful. I guess the only other thing I'm gonna put over is the summer of Steve is upon us, and if you're asking, what is the summer of Steve? I'm so glad that you are asking. And it's me in the summer, except I have this new thing where I just bought giant flowy linen pants, and I'm just gonna wear all linen all summer. - I'm, I'm, I'm doing it, baby. I'm full Panama Jack. I'm gonna start like, smoking like loosely rolled like skinny cigars and shit. And yeah, I don't know, it's gonna be great. The flowy linen island lifestyle. - You're gonna need some falling around listening to Jan Hammer music. - Hell yeah. - It's gonna be great. Mario, so are you on the, are you on the linen pants train? - Oh yeah. - Oh yeah, I've got a racked linen pants in the summer, for sure. - Also. - Let it shirt too. I like it, yeah. - Oh yeah. - I like a good white linen shirt. - I gotta, I gotta get some shirts. I gotta get some linen shirts, but the pants, I'm blown away by. - I may also recommend to get a spec to the original topic of the episode. - It's a linen sheet. - Spring for those linen sheets, baby. - The linen sheets, yeah. You know, should get some linen sheets. No more synthetics for me, I'm over it. The best thing about the linen pants, those are great for your ego, because they are truly gigantic. And for the first time, probably since I was 12 years older, something, the size of pants that I bought, from the men's department, small. I'm a small in flowy island pants. What have I ever been a small, I've never been a small. I'm not tall, but I am like an, I'm actually 5'10", okay? This is not like a typical man height inflation. I am a solid 5'10. When I played basketball, they listed me at six feet. That was a lie. I am a solid 5'10. And if I went one size bigger on these pants, the pants would overflow with, but as a small, incredible, beautiful. Everybody get the island pants. Jack, you get an island pants? I'm fascinated having learned of this, this sizing matrix you've described. I know, right? I must know more. You've been in my presence. Have you ever looked at me? You ever sized me up and say, "There's a small". You never said that. No. I think you and I are roughly equivalent in many, many cities. Yeah, exactly. 5'10, little out of shape. Great. Yep. Small now, baby. Are we all 5'10? Is this like the real 5'10 podcast? This is a real 5'10, white man podcast. I feel like you're a little bigger than me, Myross. I'll tell you. Well, I have a little bigger than you, Steve. It's a little more bad. I did go probably kept at 5'11, but I feel like I'm starting to shrink. Yeah, yeah. I'll probably get a little slumpy in your old age. You bones are starting to go terrible past yourself. I think I'm probably about to say my slump down. I like that. Well, by the way, one last thing before we kick to the picture, I assume you're done with your linen clothes, but over. No, I'm just going to talk about linen clothes the next 20 minutes. I didn't even notice this. This is a piece of IMDB trivia worth noting that the credits in Pink Flamingos, they was dedicated to Sadie, Katie and Les, which is apparently a dedication to the three members of the Manson family whose sentence was reduced from a capital punishment to life in person. Oh, that's great. That's great. I put John Waters in with Negi, so Oshima for like openly supporting murderers. Yeah. Cool. Well, I mean, maybe just openly opposing the death penalty. Well, I mean, that's fair. That's fair. I mean, there's there's politics, everything's politics. Well, I'll tell you what, how about for next week's episode, we'll start off in the little banter in the beginning. We'll be each of us will pick a murderer that we think should be celebrated instead of sent to prison. I mean, it is Pink Flamingos as well, where when divine is like stumbling around the city, it just happens to be a big scrawled graffiti that says free text wants. You know, you know, there's a certain kinship, which is it makes for a fascinating text, I gotta say. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Well, hey, if you listen to the podcast and do you like John Waters, do you like Andy Milligan? You probably like one of those things. And if you do, do us a favor, click the link in the description that'll take you to our Patreon. Why would you want to go to our Patreon so you can give us money? And why do you want to give us money? We're not going to buy drugs. Stop. Why do people think that that's what we're doing? We're not buying drugs with the Patreon money. We're not going to do that. We literally don't buy anything. It just sits in a fund that we've done. That's all it does. We've put it in the lowest possible interest yield fund. Patreon? Yes. That's where my 401k is the best. They won't buy me a microphone until I buy myself a new computer. Because what do we tell you? What do we tell you? You got to invest in yourself before we invest in you. God, hostile workplace. You're just not believing in yourself enough. You're going to have to do it after this vaccine outing where we spent all the Patreon money on like, trust falls, like, I don't know, zip lining. And creation. And create hell for us. Yeah. We're going to get ripped on K2 and. We have like a camping trip. It's time for some great. Jim. Yeah. We'll put it. We'll give Miles a bunch of PCP and then like put him in a bed or came and just like roll a stone over it and see who comes out. Why are we really going to start rolling away? The gas station drugs. You see if you can just look at escalate the PCP. We'll be coming back going that Andy Milligan guy. You knew what was up. Or here's the idea. John Waters, you haven't made a movie in a while. I know you're old, but hear me out. So we get Myros all the different gas station boner pills and there's a whole section where drag queens just measure his penis after he consumes one. And we just, that's the whole movie. It's just measuring Myros's penis with the gas station boner pills to see where it kind of nets out. I'm going to have to get on the GLP one to give us some little bit of showing. It's all happening. But yeah, for people have to give us money first. Yeah. For important investments like Myros versus a bear on PCP. Yeah, these are all things that could happen. So yeah, you can just donate a couple bucks towards that towards whatever, you know, maybe well, I mean, we'll buy a carton of cigarettes, you know, something. No, for just a couple bucks, you get access to our Patreon exclusive feed. It's got all kinds of written and podcast content, all exclusive to the feed. And if you live in the continent of the United States, I will send you a movie from my personal collection. How exciting is that? Will it be Pink Flamingo? No, it's not going to be Pink Flamingo. What do you think I'm just going to give you my copy? I'm not going to do that. But I mean, it could be anything. I'm looking at a lot of stuff here. Look at that a lot. That weird shit could be your shit. One of these days, okay? Think about that. You want to donate at a higher level? Wonderful. We would love that too. So if you donate $5 or more, then you get to vote in Patreon polls. Any get your name read out on the air? Myrosaur, five and above patrons this week. We have Rick Pablo, Evan Ryan, Dustin and Paul. And God bless each and every one of them. Now of course, for $25, if you want to dictate an entire episode. $25. It'll be one time. Doesn't have to be reoccurring whatever. $25. And you, yes, you, dear listener, get to pick a whole episode for us to do. How fun would that be? Other Patriots who's trying to figure it out, you know, guerrilla chair. Nobody wanted to buy us a guerrilla chair. So we can't take that one away. We talked, we tried to do, we're trying to get you a gun at one point, Myros. And now we're then we were on that thing. We're like, oh, donate $100. You can either get Myrosaur Carton of cigarettes or a life alert button. But I feel like that's got to be a one off, right? Because well, I mean, you could repeatedly buy you cigarettes, but you only need one life alert, unless you're wearing it like Mr. T-chains, but they all call 911. If you bump into something, we could do a, you can buy all the life alert buttons and hit them all and see which one is the best response time. Oh, that's a good idea. Yeah. So which one do you close the product reviews? Let the record show that Steve seemingly comes up with a new Patriot here every single week. And maybe it'd be like a constructive gimmick to add these tears and someone would play along with the game and donate. But instead, it occurs to me that every time I check the Patriot to read out our blessed patrons and see if we received any messages or requests, there's no new tears. There's never one spent one. They've never been posted. The real chair is on there. Is it real a chair on there? Oh, maybe the real chair, but to be fair, Adam, before we started recording today, we were just talking about how we barely even edit this show because it's really tired. So it's also, we're also very poor about, we're also very poor about Patreon content. You know, it's, it's not about getting something. It's about keeping the podcast afloat and telling us you love us. And once in a while, you'll get something. We will put stuff out. We're just, we're just not as consistent as we'd like to be because you know, this should take a lot of time. We don't have it edited anymore. We fucking. - We're doing suck. - Yeah, we do suck. We're bad people, but here we are. You know, what are you gonna do? - We're gonna do some John Candy for the patron. We're doing some John Candy one-off. - So that's my thought. - Oh yeah, we'll do some John Candy one-off for the patrons, they deserve it. We can watch. - They see in waters and candy. - Yeah, what a strange fucking thing we're gonna say. - To do it. (laughing) - Just normal stuff from us, that's fine. - Yeah. - Yeah, but if you have any questions, comments, death threats, marriage proposals, ideas for Patreon tiers, [email protected], or you can find us on social media and optimismvexc. And next week, it's more Milligan. (upbeat music) [BLANK_AUDIO]