Episode 3: Karaoke Trauma

Welcome Back to Episode 3: Ming's Rough Day and Running Philosophy Hey, what's up you guys? I'm Grace. Speaker 2 And I'm Ming. Speaker 1 And this might get iffy. Welcome back. Speaker 2 Welcome back everyone. Speaker 1 I can't believe we're on episode 3 already. Speaker 2 I know kind of crazy. We're, you know, just dancing through life, perhaps. Speaker 1 God, I looked at my list of podcast topics and I saw Wicked on there and I was like no, no, not today. Speaker 2 And everything comes back to Wicked. What can I say? Speaker 1 It was wicked all the way down. Speaker 2 Yeah, all the way down. We had a phase when we were brainstorming ideas for the top for the podcast. We had a wicked phase. You know, it was pretty recent. The movie came out second movie. It was on the top of all of our minds, let's just say. But staying on witchy theme, I guess. Well or OK well, do you have other things to say to the to the viewers at home listener? Sorry, no, no viewing experience. Speaker 1 Once again, don't rub it in. No I didn't. I don't know why. Speaker 2 Yeah, she's really low energy today. I. Speaker 1 Am really low energy. I've had a rough day, you guys. Speaker 2 Yeah, she had a rough day. She went for a run. Speaker 1 Well, that was the best part of it. Good part of the day. I had a great workout yesterday. It was awesome. Speaker 2 You you want to tell people about it? Speaker 1 I don't think they care. I'm going to cut it out. But I didn't. Why? I did mild repeats. What? So basically I ran over to the track nearby. Yeah. And I just did a bunch of miles on it. And then in between the miles, I did a quarter mile jog recovery. Speaker 2 That sounds terrible. Did did you record yourself like those influencers where it's like mile 1632 and then you're in the same place because you record yourself if since it's a track? Speaker 1 Do I look like an influencer to you? Speaker 2 You could be this is what you're trying to do. You love fame. You're a protagonist. You want to be a protagonist. Speaker 1 I don't think that's what a protagonist is. A protagonist is I just have main character energy. That doesn't mean I want to be the center of attention. Speaker 2 No, I think those things are like interchangeable actually. Protagonist and main character center of attention. Speaker 1 And it's not that I want to be the center of attention, I just happen to be. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're saying influencers are trying too hard to be the center of attention whereas you normally gravitate? Speaker 1 Yeah, as some people just don't have my personality and they don't get. Speaker 2 It yeah, you're so right. But if you record yourself, you can fake center of attention. Speaker 1 But I don't need to fake it. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. But like you're on a track, there's no one to be the center of attention for, so you might as well record yourself like a running influencer. And the funniest part is, but that's the background doesn't change every mile because you're on a track. Speaker 1 That's the thing though. I don't need to be like, I don't need other people to see me as the center of attention. I just need to get my workout done. Speaker 2 Yeah, we're different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're not the same. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, you will not catch me being a running influencer, but if I could run 630 miles I would. Speaker 1 Well, I feel like most people could if they train hard enough. Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm not going to train for that. I'm not a runner. Speaker 1 But you said you would if you could, so. Speaker 2 Yeah, if I could, like without much effort, I'm not a big effort guy, you know, like I don't, I don't put effort into things like I'm low maintenance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Horoscopes, Chinese Zodiacs, and the Truth About Podcast Editing So I feel like we're on a, you know, big personality kick. Every episode has had a, a tie to our personality test, and this one will be no different. We promised the viewers that we would be talking about our horoscope signs, astrology and and Chinese zodiacs because the Lunar New Year just passed and it's a it's a year of the Fire Horse. Speaker 1 Yeah, and to be clear, one thing we would never do is let down our viewers. Speaker 2 Yeah, what? She said. She might not let you down, but like, yeah, well, maybe for me. Speaker 1 Means a low effort type of guy. Speaker 2 Yeah, so you might get let down like. Speaker 1 Just a little. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, because she's kind of carrying the podcast cuz I'm just a talent. Speaker 1 Yeah, he did offer to edit once. And then I was like, if you want to, you can. And he was like, no. Speaker 2 And then she stopped editing them all all together. Speaker 1 What do you? What are? Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, I. Speaker 1 Ended a lot out of that last. Speaker 2 One really it sounded like it was the entire thing. We didn't record for that long last time. Like it's like the entire thing. Speaker 1 The thing is, I had to cut more than I wanted to out of the first one because we would record it for so long and then we got feedback that the people liked the length of it. So I didn't want to cut too much out of the second one because we didn't record for as long. So I tried to just trim, but I had to trim a lot of blubber off of it for. Speaker 2 Sure, so we need longer recording sessions is what you're saying? For for for more content to sift through. Speaker 1 I prefer the editing of the second episode to be clear. It was a lot easier. Speaker 2 I I can imagine but it sounded like you also like were out of content to edit, like you were trying to make up a specific like time. Speaker 1 Well, do you think I should have cut out more than I did? Speaker 2 I don't know. I mean, I listened to it and it was pretty good I think. Like it was fine. I have gotten feedback that like most of the juicy details are at the end. Speaker 1 Yeah, but that's kind of the type of people we. Speaker 2 Are yeah. So you gotta just listen to the whole thing, like support a brother out, you know? Speaker 1 Yeah, and we love to end on a cliffhanger. Speaker 2 Or just, or just rant for like 15 minutes when we're, when we say, all right, we might as well wrap up and then another 15 minutes of, of rambling. Speaker 1 Yeah, well, should we like drop in something you should see at the beginning just just to catch people in? Speaker 2 Yeah. What? What would you like as a hook or or story are we telling today? Karaoke. Karaoke. Yeah, there will be. We're not going to sing on mic unless you know, you want us to. Like we're we're performers. Speaker 1 One thing about Ming and I is that the friendship we have established is 50% surrounding karaoke. Speaker 2 Yeah. And out of that 50%, there's quite a bit of trauma. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 2 And maybe not trauma on us, but we caused the trauma. Maybe. ANYWAYS, you got to stay around to listen to that. From Buck Teeth to Rat Cunning: Exploring Chinese Zodiacs and Tarot Do we want to start with that or? Speaker 1 No, I think we could end up horoscopes, OK a little bit or I mean signs and stuff. One thing I will say I am I know I'm the year of the rabbit. Speaker 2 OK. Speaker 1 And I knew that from a very young age, even though I come from the Midwest in a like pretty suburban, honestly pretty white area. Yeah. I had no business talking about Chinese Zodiac, OK, but I know so. Speaker 2 How did you know? Speaker 1 Well, because my family made fun of me because I had buck teeth and I looked like a rabbit. So they were like, yeah, that makes sense. Speaker 2 OK, I can't believe. Right? OK, so now you know how she looks. Speaker 1 Well, I don't think I do anymore. I've paid a lot of money for those braces. Well, my parents did. Thank you, mom. And. Speaker 2 Dad, I never had braces and now I went to an orthodontist. Adult orthodontist, not the play anyways, are. Speaker 1 You going to get braces. Speaker 2 No, they're like recommending Invisalign, but I don't, I don't want to do it. Speaker 1 You know, everyone's got Invisalign these days. That's what I'm saying. The easy. Speaker 2 Way out. It is the, that's what I'm saying. I feel like the adjustment's not as big. Speaker 1 You know what you need? Headgear. Speaker 2 Huh. Speaker 1 You've never seen headgear? No, it's like basically braces, but they also need to adjust your palette and stuff. So they put this big brace all over your head and you look like. Speaker 2 It's like a helmet monster. It's basically like a helmet, but like a wrapped helmet. Speaker 1 It's like if you've ever seen Regina George. Speaker 2 In the cast. Oh, I'm familiar. Speaker 1 It's that but like with it connected I can't. Speaker 2 Believe you reference Mean Girls. That's crazy. Yeah. No, you're so right. I know exactly what you're talking about. The imagery is there. Speaker 1 Yeah, that's headgear. Speaker 2 Yeah. Oh, I'm not going to do that because that's like not a short term solution or but. Speaker 1 It'll fix it. Speaker 2 Yeah, but like over like years? No, just like braces or your misalign. Speaker 1 Yeah, I actually don't know. Speaker 2 Anyways, so I don't really know what the year of the rabbit means, but I can tell you I'm a year of the rat and I agree with that I'm a rat. Speaker 1 Right. So why do you agree with that? Speaker 2 I'm just sneaky. Let's just say no actually. OK, so the reason why I agree with it is not because of like what rats are in like now a day times, but the folklore behind it was like there was a race to select the 12 like animals for the Zodiac, right, Because it's every 1212 year cycle. And the rat was just the smartest because I got a ride on the back of the the ox. You know, work smarter, not harder. Yeah, right. Trying to get out of doing work. Speaker 1 30 miles you'll just be piggybacking. Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm just gonna stand in the same place and be like, that's my mile time too. Speaker 1 Yeah, we just ran together. Speaker 2 Exactly. Speaker 1 I'll wear your watch on my wrist. Speaker 2 Hold on now. Wait a second. Yeah, I gotta close them rings. Yeah. So that's like, at least in the folklore, Like that's what the rats were, just smarter workers, not hard workers, just smarter. Like they got a ride all the way to the finish line and like hopped off like right at the end to like secure first place. Like the rat is a first in line. Oh yeah, 12, I guess. But like if you're on like the ox's head for example, you can just like. Speaker 1 Yeah, with the. Speaker 2 Dash for the finish line. So all I'm saying is like, I think it's fitting. Like, I'm not calling myself smart, but like the folklore calls me smart, let's just say. Speaker 1 And you agree with? Speaker 2 And cunning. Speaker 1 Right. Speaker 2 Yeah, I agree. Speaker 1 Do you think you're first to the finish line? Speaker 2 No, but like maybe first the finish line with the least amount of effort. Let's just say I feel like it's about how do I minimize work for myself? Speaker 1 But we have to understand that you're also in your despair era, as per. Speaker 2 Yeah. So you say I need to real like dial that back a little bit and actually put in some effort. Speaker 1 You're not winning the races yet. Speaker 2 Yeah yeah, yeah. And that's OK. That's just like a time thing. I'm not gonna change myself cuz I'm. Speaker 1 You're already. Speaker 2 I'm already in the I'm already in the despair era. Speaker 1 Right. Speaker 2 Like changing myself is not gonna get me to my Empress era. Speaker 1 I'm not sure I follow that. Speaker 2 I'm saying the Empress era will come regardless of if I change or not. Speaker 1 I don't know if that's necessarily the case. Speaker 2 You think so you think, You think. Tarot is like telling you you need to change in a specific direction. Speaker 1 Tarot is very much everything that's in the future is subject to change any little It's like very butterfly effect. Anything could change it. Your life could change so you're. Speaker 2 Saying if we did a tarot reading again. Speaker 1 Future can be like kind of a warning too. It's like look out for this or avoid this or something. Speaker 2 Like that depending. Speaker 1 On what the card is too so. Speaker 2 We'll see. I'm not planning to change right now at least. OK, I'm sure though, go. Speaker 1 For it, stay in your disparate era. Speaker 2 There are changes that I'm implementing, it's just like not very interesting to talk about. From iPod Shuffles to Restaurant Raids: A History of Petty Theft Right, brick by brick. Speaker 2 Yeah, book club. I'm reading physical books. Mind you, I I'm a scroller, OK? What I'm learning about myself is that I prefer ebooks so I can fully lay down and scroll. Speaker 1 Honestly, I get that. Speaker 2 Yeah, cuz books are heavy. Like that's an arm workout. Speaker 1 Do you have that like holder that attaches to your bed frame that'll just hold your ebook in front of you? Speaker 2 I have like an arm thing, yeah, but it doesn't work that well. Like it, it doesn't actually sustain the weight of like an electronic device is the problem. Speaker 1 That is kind of a problem for the fact that, yeah, it's kind of it's. Speaker 2 It's one of those like really cheap. It's the thing that I got off Timu calling back to our last episode. I got it off Timu. So it's a little bit of how do I say this over promise, under deliver, because it's probably like only a dollar, you know. So, yeah. So I don't really use it like I have one, it doesn't hold the weight of my phone very well. And the phone is like the least feel like heavy of electronic devices to hold up. Yeah, that's except maybe like a really thin iPad. I don't know how. I don't know how iPads are these days. Speaker 1 Either I. Speaker 2 Don't know how heavy iPads or how big iPads are these days. Speaker 1 IPod Touch hold. Speaker 2 On do you remember those? No, I know. I wait. I do you remember the pre like even before iPod touch? Yeah, the shuffles, the nano. Yeah, OK. Speaker 1 I think I had I my mom had an original iPad and or an original iPod and it became my first iPod when she handed it. Speaker 2 Down yeah I had an iPod touch but I think my sister had a shuffle maybe and I stole it for like 2 weeks. I was bedridden for two weeks with pink eye. Yeah. And so I let's say not stole or borrowed. Yeah. Infected the iPod shuffle 'cause, you know, I couldn't see. Speaker 1 Right, you couldn't see that you were stealing your sister's iPod shuffle. Speaker 2 No, no, no, no. I had really bad pink eye. Mind you, in high school I had really bad pink eye for two weeks. Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I get what you're saying. I just don't see how it correlates with you stealing an iPod. Speaker 2 Juffle from your sister. Well, I needed some entertainment that doesn't involve opening my eyes. Speaker 1 But you said you had an iPod touch. Speaker 2 What? How are you going to see the whole point of the iPod touch is like, It's like a phone. Speaker 1 But you can still listen to things on it, no? Speaker 2 Yeah, but don't worry about it. Speaker 1 Stealing was fun. Speaker 2 Oh, Speaking of stealing, this girl is a kleptomaniac. Speaker 1 Who? Speaker 2 This girl Grace right here, what did I? She loves stealing from restaurants. You heard it here first. Now, you could cut this out. If she cuts this out, you know, she's protecting hers. Like, you know, officer, don't get hurt, but. Speaker 1 I'm I'm just going to bleep out. Speaker 2 Yeah, so you don't know what stealing is? Why not just bleep us? Speaker 1 Like them? OK. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, stealing is you heard it here first. Stealing is warranted if you like them enough, right? It's it's do you hear yourself for that it? Speaker 1 Doesn't matter, it's so low cost, who cares? Speaker 2 I mean, you don't, but like, have you ever asked your victims? Unpacking Daily Horoscopes and Navigating Workplace "Ops" Yeah, it'll only. Speaker 1 Take one at a time. Anyways, it's not my fault that Sam also took OH. Speaker 2 Oh oh. Anyways, what does your horoscope say? Are we looking for daily? Speaker 1 Horoscope. Wait hold on. So my sign is Gemini. Speaker 2 Is that the the the dual one like two person alleys? Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 2 And I'm a Leo. Is Gemini a water sign? Speaker 1 Gemini's an air sign. Air Sign. Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm a Leo. That's a fire sign. I'm a fire sign. Speaker 1 Yeah, that's not surprising. Speaker 2 Yeah, I I'm like, I'm very much a fire sign. I think it gives a lot of those traits. And do you know where you're compatible? I think fire signs are like self compatible. That's as much as I know. As in fire signs and fire signs go well together. Speaker 1 I don't know my compatibility. Speaker 2 I've never actually looked up a daily horoscope, actually. Speaker 1 Zodiac sign compatibility. Speaker 2 Fire signs are most compatible with fellow fire signs and air science for intellectual adventurous stimulation. Speaker 1 Me and you, both of us together. Speaker 2 That's the theater kid coming out. Speaker 1 That's from Monsters Inc. Speaker 2 Theater kid, you're right. You're right, right on spontaneity and independence. Why am I using Google AI? I'm so sorry. What does my daily horoscope? Speaker 1 Say let's see what Reddit says. Hold on. Speaker 2 Today's matches love Gemini. Speaker 1 Wait, what? Speaker 2 I don't know if this is the right one. horoscope.com. Is this a legit? It must be. It's horoscope.com. Speaker 1 Yeah, so, Gemini, I'm gonna read 1. Speaker 2 We probably should have pulled this up before we started the podcast. Speaker 1 I did, but then I got distracted looking for other things. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker 1 OK, so March 11th. Other people are the most important aspect of your day-to-day, Gemini. You'll find that things might get a bit difficult and unruly alone, but if you connect with others, even the most challenging task becomes almost effortless. OK, Honestly, yeah. Speaker 2 It's telling you it might get iffy. Speaker 1 Well, I think that's exactly what's happened today. I've been dealing with this issue all day at work and I've just been asking like coworkers who I trust about it and they've been basically saying telling me the same thing. Do you want this in how I should it or no? I don't think I will, but. Speaker 2 But there is a between the. Let's just say. Speaker 1 I'm gonna cut that out. I do an op. I have an OP. Speaker 2 Yeah, a new one. Actually, she already had one. She has a new OP. Speaker 1 Well. Speaker 2 Within the company. Speaker 1 I have an OP but also possibly a friend. Different people. Speaker 2 OK. Speaker 1 We'll see. Speaker 2 Yeah, we'll see how they perform. OK, Mine says for today, you have a great deal of power at your disposable. Today, Leo, You should keep in mind that just about anything you wish for will come true. Don't waste words or actions. Concentrate your energy and focus on one or two important things instead of dispersing it and thereby diluting your overall power. There isn't anything to fear on a day like this. Speaker 1 Wow, I don't. Speaker 2 Know I don't really live like life with fear. Speaker 1 Do you feel like you've been diluting your power today? Speaker 2 No, I, I think I've been doing yeah, I focused on one thing, OK, my one side quest. Yeah, I, I had to get some, let's just say administrative things done and. Speaker 1 Some documentation. Speaker 2 Some documentation done and I was really focused on that because it didn't take all that long, but it was just like really draining for me at least. Speaker 1 Very cryptic of you. Speaker 2 Cuz it's well, cuz it's like not something I would normally do on a weekday. Speaker 1 Right. Speaker 2 But unfortunately it can only be done on a weekday. I was just saying let's leave it at that. My side quest. Speaker 1 Spooky. Speaker 2 Interesting that's I've never actually read a daily horoscope before. Speaker 1 How do you feel about? Would you do it again? Speaker 2 Yeah, I think so, but I don't really believe it. Like like it's not something that I buy into. I feel like I would. I I don't know if like I'd buy into tarot more, but at least with tarot reading we did last episode like that I am more inclined to believe it. Speaker 1 Yeah, it's more of a ceremony almost. Speaker 2 Yeah. So like, keep doing it until you get what you want. Speaker 1 No, I think it's the fact that you can do it less that makes it more meaningful. Speaker 2 Yeah, but like if I got like really bad reading the first time, I think I would want to do it again. Speaker 1 But I wouldn't let you so. Speaker 2 That's but how frequent is like too frequent to read your tarot? What would you say? Speaker 1 I mean that's up to the person who owns the cards and I wouldn't do someone's tarot unless they were like looking for answers for a different aspect of their life. Speaker 2 OK. Speaker 1 Within like, I don't know, maybe like a month? Speaker 2 So we'll revisit it in like 4 episodes, no? You want me to read it for you again? The "Heteronormative" Brain Fart and Grace's Work-Life Balance What do you mean again? You haven't. Speaker 2 Oh yeah, so I didn't reciprocate the reading last time because. Speaker 1 You're not touching my deck. I'll give you a deck though. Do you want a deck? Speaker 2 Not really. Speaker 1 Oh, because. Speaker 2 Like who am I gonna use this on that you haven't already tarnished what do? Speaker 1 You mean you have friends? Speaker 2 I do. That's what she thinks. But yeah, I do. But like, I'm not gonna read tarot like I don't. Speaker 1 Ming says he's sending this podcast to his friends, but I think he's just listening to it on different accounts. So you guys are one of Ming's friends who, I don't know. Leave a comment. Speaker 2 No they did. I swear they did. I can't see the comments though because she won't give me the login to Spotify for. Speaker 1 Creating the only comment I told you it's the. It's the same as the Google One. Speaker 2 Oh yeah, I she did tell me that. But. Speaker 1 The only I have not logged in, the only comment is one of our coworkers. Yeah. Who is such a supporter? King Sled. Speaker 2 What did he say? Did he say poggers? Speaker 1 No, he said. Speaker 2 That's an inside joke. Speaker 1 On the second episode he was like OMG my show is on. It was so. Speaker 2 Normal. That's good, that's good. That's very neurotypical of him. Speaker 1 Right. Speaker 2 Nevermind, I can't say. I can't say what I want to say. What? No, go ahead. Do you want me? You might have to cut it out. We can cut it out. So in one of our late night gaming sessions our supportive Co worker hopped in call and I was really tired. It was like 2 in the morning. Mind you. I feel bad for him and I didn't say anything. We just like pretend like it didn't happen. I was trying to call him neurotypical like because he he makes that joke himself. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 2 And I said heteronormative. Mind you, I did not realize I said the wrong thing and that everyone there was like 7 people in call at 2:00 in the morning. I I don't mind you. Everyone started laughing and I didn't understand why. Speaker 1 What is the definition of heteronormative? Speaker 2 All I'm saying is no. Speaker 1 No, no, it's just. Speaker 2 Conforming to, I don't know, heterosexual society standards, maybe? Speaker 1 Interesting. Speaker 2 So I, I was, I meant to say neurotypical and I called him heteronormative all. Speaker 1 These newfangled. Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm, I'm so sorry. If you're our biggest fan, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean it. Like, I don't think you took offense to it. I'm. Speaker 1 Offensive. If he took offense to it, that'd be weird. Speaker 2 Yeah, it's not offensive, but I'm just like, it's a a brain fart. Let's just call it. It was 2 in the morning. Leave me alone. It happened. Yeah. And so like I've seen him since then. We just don't talk about it. Speaker 1 Oh, it's. Speaker 2 Yeah, it's one of those, like, silent. Yeah. So now he'll listen to him and be like, that's me. I got a shout out. Speaker 1 Has he made eye contact with you or no? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker 2 OK, but like, you know, we're at work. I'm not going to say the word out loud. Speaker 1 Yeah, hey hetero homie. Speaker 2 No, don't. I'm not gonna call him that. Like no Anyways. Speaker 1 OK, wow, that's fun right? I usually join one of these gaming sessions. Speaker 2 Or it's at 2:00 in the morning. You're she's kind of a granny. When do you sleep? Speaker 1 I go to bed at like 1. Speaker 2 OK, it's actually later than I thought. I thought you'd sleep like at 11 like Sam. Speaker 1 No, I told you my screen time cut off is 1. Speaker 2 Yeah, but like, so do you go to sleep at 1:00 every day because you cut yourself off on screen? Speaker 1 Pretty much OK. I would love to fall asleep earlier, but I am unfortunately addicted. Speaker 2 Honestly like 1:00's like pretty late like on a weekday. Speaker 1 I know it's a problem. Speaker 2 I'm not saying I don't sleep by 1:00 on these days right, but I'm just saying we don't normally game till that much later anyway, so if you wanna join, we're always in voice if we're gaming. Speaker 1 Yeah, usually I don't because the walls are thin and my roommate goes to bed at 9:00 PM. Speaker 2 Yeah, so you just gotta go outside. Speaker 1 Although OK I've I've been ruining her a little bit though it's been kind of fun. She goes to bed at like 10 now. Speaker 2 Slowly you're working your way there. Speaker 1 I know. And she's like, I started going to work a little bit later and later you shave. So I was like, thank God, because she usually gets into work at like 7. Yeah, well, 738 I feel like. But she's been getting here around 8:30. Our Shared Project Trauma and the Genesis of Karaoke Night I thought she like works out in the morning. Speaker 1 It depends on the day, OK? Speaker 2 Now wait till you you hear she might faint when I get in. No, she sees me walking every day. Yeah, I'm usually in like 10:00. Yeah, at least 930. Speaker 1 But you join meetings from home. Speaker 2 Yeah. Speaker 1 I'm just, I'm just covering your ass because your managers. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, yeah. I'm definitely listening to meetings at home before 9:00 AM It's less now, though. I used to have a lot more of them but now it's like. Speaker 1 Do you think they've stopped adding you because they know you're not listening? Speaker 2 Yeah, I like to think so. Speaker 1 You like to think so. Speaker 2 God, no, I I'm not on anything that needs to be like that early in the morning. You know, just the time zone of people who I work with have changed. So there's no need for like, 7:00 AM meetings anymore. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of that, Grace and I are going to share a bonded trauma about the karaoke. So this all stems back to. OK. See, we talked about how we met 2021, we started around the same time, like within a month of each other probably. I started in July. Did you start? Speaker 1 In I started in September. Speaker 2 Oh, so within two months of each other? Yeah, and. Speaker 1 COVID, by the way. Speaker 2 And I guess what they decided to do, put US 2 on the same project. Yeah, they put all the new people on the same honestly difficult to launch project. Speaker 1 It was like literally monkey see monkey do type of thing. Speaker 2 Yeah, and I feel so bad for like the project leader at the time. Shout out. She was great. Speaker 1 Loved her, loved. Speaker 2 Her and then. Speaker 1 She's still here, but she. Speaker 2 But she wasn't like the project lead the whole time, so I felt bad for her because we were all like new ish. Yeah. And she was just like. Speaker 1 She was just like basically hurting children. She was just. Speaker 2 Babysitting us, yeah. And so, but as a result of that project, we got to travel many years later together. Speaker 1 Four years later, well, Ming got to travel earlier on the project, but that's when it all. Speaker 2 Went downhill. Speaker 1 Fell apart. Speaker 2 And now they call me the assassin. Yeah, yeah, they call me an assassin cuz I killed the project. But I didn't kill the project. I killed that segment of the project, let's just say. Speaker 1 Things were breaking down. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. And people were not well, they never said it to my face. And it's I it cannot be all on lowly old me. Yeah, you know, it was a team. Speaker 1 Effort. Speaker 2 Decision. Yeah. It was a team decision. And I was simply the person that was there to take the fall. Somebody had to take the ball, you know, And so I went like travel twice for for this same project. First time in like 2023, I think. And then more recently, it was just me and Grace last year, 2025. It's a wild story. There was so many pieces to this project. Speaker 1 We had a lot of long hours. Speaker 2 A lot of karaoke, which was to be. Speaker 1 Expected, but then, yeah, we had. Speaker 2 Some a lot of karaoke during the downtime. Speaker 1 It was certainly a work hard, play hard situation. Speaker 2 Yeah, and we were there like late. And it was really funny because by core, the core memory, I, one of the core memories I do have is like 10:00 PM. We're in like a dark room. Speaker 1 We were in our work building. Speaker 2 Yeah, we had like one set of lights on and then one of the guys walks in to talk to us and we're just blasting Chapel Rome. Speaker 1 We were in a delirious state. Speaker 2 Yeah, it was 10:00 PM and I don't know, I'm the type that like gets hangry and I feel like I was hangry Yeah cuz it was 10:00 PM and like. Speaker 1 We hadn't really had a chance to. Speaker 2 Sneak out, not sneak out to like grab a bite cuz typically like we would do that. It was a really eventful trip, I think. Speaker 1 Yeah, like it was. Speaker 2 Definitely a core memory. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 2 To an extent where, like, I don't know, I feel like it was something. Do you think it brought us closer? Speaker 1 Yeah, I, I kind of feel a little bit of Stockholm syndrome about it, to be honest with you, cuz I'm like, it was so it was so much that happened. Speaker 2 Wait, when you say Stockholm, am I the captor? Who's the cap is? Speaker 1 The situation was the captor. Speaker 2 OK, so you fell in love with the situation. Speaker 1 Yeah, but you were part of the situation. Speaker 2 Yeah, but I'm not the perpetrator. OK, so Stockholm syndrome. Speaker 1 Also, Stockholm syndrome is fake. Speaker 2 OK explain, elaborate. Like you just said, I felt Stockholm syndrome but it's also fake. It is. You can't say those two like side by side. Speaker 1 No, but it felt like Stockholm syndrome as the concept as what people know it as, but what people know Stockholm syndrome as is fake. Why Women Love True Crime and the Debate on Descriptive Imagery OK. And I've seen a lot of research on it, but I don't have the research in front of me, so it's gonna sound really poorly explained. Speaker 2 No, I mean, like, I, I don't know, a case of like, Stockholm syndrome. Yeah. I'm just not aware. I don't look for that. I'm not a true crime person. Speaker 1 You don't know? Are you a true crime person? Real. Speaker 2 So it's not true. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 2 Do you like true crime? Yeah. Speaker 1 Love. Speaker 2 I can see that, yeah. Yeah, it's a true crime. Speaker 1 I think it's pretty like common in women a lot more than it is in men in terms of true crime, interest in true crime. Speaker 2 Yeah, I can see that. Speaker 1 Why do you think that is? Because I have like theories. Speaker 2 I have theories too. So my personal experience with it is I think I don't, I don't know, like I, I don't really want to hear about it and I, I don't really want to know the details of how things were done. I'd rather just want like a one sentence summary of the outcome, like what actually happened in one sentence versus like. Speaker 1 Like all the. Speaker 2 Gory details. Yeah, all the gory details. And maybe that's just me. I, I, I cannot just be me, right. But like I was mentioning at book club, I feel like the imagery that like, women tend to like, like descriptor wise. Yeah, I don't like do. Speaker 1 You think that's because women tend to be more visual? Speaker 2 Maybe and. Speaker 1 Like more imaginative visually. Speaker 2 And like I can imagine it like it's not like I I lack the what is the thing that like makes you imagine or visualize? Speaker 1 I don't know. All I know is some of our coworkers do not. Speaker 2 Have, yeah. So it's not that I can't visualize, it's just that I would prefer like action driven words. Like if I'm reading it's action driven. Speaker 1 It's so corporate of you. Speaker 2 I know I, I don't like, unless like the descriptor is gonna play into a big role or it's gonna like foreshadow something like it's kind of like in one year or out the other. If I'm reading it like I, I'm like, what did they just say? You know, So unless it has like a significance to moving the story along, I place that as maybe less important. So I feel like the details is not what I'm after. And I feel like true crime is all about the details of like, how they did it, like what you know. Speaker 1 Well, yeah, that's how you solve the crime. Speaker 2 I love me of mystery though. Speaker 1 But you don't care about the details of the. Speaker 2 But I don't like true crime, if that makes sense. Speaker 1 What is it about mysteries that you think is missing and true crime? Speaker 2 Well, I think for me mystery is interesting, like from a viewer perspective. Speaker 1 And why is true crime for you as a viewer? Why is true crime not scratch that itch? Speaker 2 Because it's mostly just audio, right? Like it's mostly gonna be like true crime podcasts is the main form I. Speaker 1 Mean not. Originally it was. Speaker 2 Like, yeah, I guess not. But like, I don't document, don't wanna see somebody get axed. Speaker 1 So you don't like knowing that it's real? Speaker 2 I mean, it is real, yeah. I guess maybe cuz like mystery, I feel like I tend to gravitate towards like fictional mystery, you know, Sherlock Holmes. Speaking of young Sherlock, so good. Speaker 1 Wait, can I touch on why I think women are into true crime? For sure. I think it's because women are more likely to be victims. Speaker 2 That's fair, I think. Speaker 1 And for me, I don't know if every woman who likes true crime feels this way, but I feel like the need to understand and respect the victims in a sense. So like, knowing their story is a way of knowing them, OK? I don't like the idea of what happened to them being censored, OK, Because they had to experience it. So it's almost like finding a kinship with them, OK? I also think that there's a sense of like, knowing what like what the risks are for. Speaker 2 Me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker 1 What to watch out for? Speaker 2 But how do you know, like, do you look then do you look for specific like true crime cases where you're more like the victim? Or like, do you feel like you need to be closer in whether it's like ethnicity, age, you know, locate geographical location? Like do you feel like you need to find some commonality between you and the victim to kind of relate to that? Or is it just like you want to respect the story of anyone? Speaker 1 I think for the most part, I think I would respect the story of anyone. OK, It's also like there's something like. Speaker 2 Is is that horrifying that I don't want to do that? Speaker 1 I don't think it's misogynistic that you don't feel the need to like it's. Speaker 2 Yeah, I've never thought of it that way. I've never thought of true crime as like, you got to respect the victim thing. I thought it was always just like about the retelling and like, I don't really want to know the details of like a gory crime. Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I don't, I wouldn't say it's misogynistic. I maybe it's like something that I assume you wouldn't have thought about, because why would you? Speaker 2 Yeah, that's just like, I don't see myself as a victim, but I. Speaker 1 I'm calm myself in. Speaker 2 A lot of things not in true crime cases but like. Speaker 1 I think women are just more at risk and have to be aware of that risk. Speaker 2 Yeah. So in a sense, it's like news to you, Like, oh, what new way is there to creatively murder me? Do you feel that like this could happen to me? How do I protect myself from that? And how do I recognize early signs of this crime happening? Speaker 1 It well, it's not like I'm actively preparing for like someone to attack me in a parking lot or anything like that. Speaker 2 But it could happen every day. Speaker 1 Yeah, it could. I honestly. Speaker 2 We don't get a camera that might. Speaker 1 I'm not like a small woman either though. Like I think I could in at least. Speaker 2 I think so. I think you beat someone up. Speaker 1 I I feel like in like 50% of the time I could take care of it. Speaker 2 50%'s not that high of a ratio I feel like because all it takes is 1. Speaker 1 Yeah, but like, imagine if I was like in stomping boots too. Speaker 2 OK, but does your stomping boots like slow you down? Speaker 1 I can still run. Speaker 2 In on the running OK. Speaker 1 I've tested it. Speaker 2 Yeah, she's prepared. You're prepared for the worst outcomes. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 2 Yeah, I I mean, I do notice that like I feel like true crime has more women like fan base. I don't know if it's just like my peanut brain has nothing, no room for these situations or even reimagining these situations. Speaker 1 Your brain's like, don't know, don't care. Speaker 2 Yeah, like, oh, maybe part of it is like subconsciously, like, how often is that going to happen to me? Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 2 That's like first thing that's kind of gets like thrown out of my brain because it's like, oh, how often is that realistically going to happen to me? And then it's like also kind of the time commitment to listen to specific gory details and I don't like. Speaker 1 That you're just too busy. Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm too busy. I'd rather listen to audiobooks that are not true crime. Speaker 1 I hate audiobooks. Speaker 2 We've established that. Speaker 1 Sorry, going back to young Sherlock you were talking about. Speaker 2 It's good, it's really good and. Speaker 1 Isn't that with that guy who was in? Speaker 2 The Musical. Speaker 1 No, ever. After it's called after, it's called after. There's like 4 movies. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, it's like after series, yes, he's Sherlock, but I started watching it because of the second guy. Speaker 1 Who's the 2nd? Speaker 2 Guy, He's the Irish guy. Speaker 1 Your people hold on. Speaker 2 And and before this, we were talking, before we started recording, we were talking about Haiti's Town, the musical he I was on like the original London, Haiti's Town cast, like the main guy. Speaker 1 OK. Speaker 2 Orpheus. Speaker 1 Right. Speaker 2 You'll like it, I think. Do you like? Speaker 1 I'll like young Sherlock or Haiti's town. Speaker 2 Both. I think we love Greek mythology, You know, like we're reading for our book club, We're reading a Greek mythology book. Speaker 1 We could say we're not Cersei, we're reading Cersei. Speaker 2 And what I'm finding is there's too much descriptive image imagery for me. I prefer just like what happened, Like just lay it to me. Speaker 1 Oh, God forbid someone write some nuance. And it was. Speaker 2 Yeah, and I think that's just that's your knee problem. Yeah, that's my peanut brain. Like needing like, like just give me a bullet point of what happens to her. A SparkNotes version, I mean. Speaker 1 Loves a list. Speaker 2 Yeah, just give me a bullet point of like, what happens to her per chapter. Speaker 1 You should put it into AI and ask it to. Speaker 2 Summarize No, like SparkNotes exist. I'm not going to SparkNotes the book. I just, that's my overall impression from reading half of the book is that I think there's not enough actionable items in the tail. And I think it's like losing losing me a little bit in the plot, maybe because there's too much descriptive imagery. Speaker 1 That's interesting because I love the descriptive imagery. Speaker 2 I know. And you're not the only one. And it tends to be, I feel like men versus women again. And we discussed that kind of in the book club, and I was like, am I misogynistic? So it kind of keeps coming back to this theme. And I don't like that I'm at the center. I don't feel misogynistic, but I have to keep asking, you know? Speaker 1 If you have to, keep asking if the boot fits. Speaker 2 The boot doesn't fit. But I'm asking people who might be affected by misogyny if, you know, like, is this offensive? You know that I'm saying I don't like descriptive imagery. Like, obviously I don't mean it Like, yeah, you're so right. The girl's a girl. Like you said, obviously I don't mean it like wow I hate women. I mean it like do you find it offensive that I don't like the exact same thing that you do? Like and and like it seems to be gender biased. Speaker 1 I mean this might be a hot take nowadays, but the genders are different. Speaker 2 Right. You're so right. Yeah. Yeah. From Enola Holmes to Bridgerton: The Debate on "Woke" Storytelling So what we've concluded is I'm not misogynistic. You heard it here first. Speaker 1 Well, not because of this. Speaker 2 Well, all I'm saying is you heard it here first. You could. Speaker 1 Be misogynistic, but it's this doesn't make you. Speaker 2 Mis No, like I would never. Speaker 1 It's your other traits. Speaker 2 We got derailed. We were talking about our work trip. I don't know how I got here. Young Sherlock is good though. You would want you would like it. Speaker 1 What's the streaming on? Speaker 2 Prime the only thing you do have. Speaker 1 No, I don't anymore. Speaker 2 But you will have. Speaker 1 Yeah, I do need Sam to log in. Speaker 2 Yeah, she'll be back and so. Speaker 1 I do like Sherlock Holmes stories. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's like a like a random sister that shows up. They really like adding random sisters to Sherlock Holmes. Speaker 1 Stories I don't like when they add random sisters. Speaker 2 To but it's OK, like she doesn't play a big part, I don't think I'm not done with it. So I don't actually know if she plays a big. Speaker 1 Part Is it Enola? Speaker 2 No, another. Another sister. Yeah, let's not talk about it. I did like in NOLA Holmes though. Speaker 1 I was OK with it. Speaker 2 Oh did you watch the second one? Did you watch 1 and 2? Speaker 1 I can't I think. Speaker 2 I mean, I I love Mia like a Sherlock Holmes story. Speaker 1 I just, I don't know, I think shows that are overtly like, oh, US women need to solve it ourselves. The men don't understand. It's like you're being a little. This seat feels fake now. Speaker 2 So you don't think it's like female empowerment, You don't think it gives that? Speaker 1 No, I. Speaker 2 Think Are you the misogynistic person here? Speaker 1 No, no, perhaps I just don't like when they like push it so hard that it's like, OK, I really get that you're trying to push this like more of the story, but like it's letting the rest of the storyline suffer because you're trying so hard to be so gung ho about female empowerment. I. Speaker 2 Feel like with like these mystery stories, they the pacing can really be like like, yeah, it could be zero to 100 really fast because it's just like whatever they show as like a clue, right? Because you're you're not there solving it with them. It's just whatever they're showing is like, oh, that's going to be important. You know what I'm saying? Like and I I think I like that style of mystery. So like ones where I don't have to do anything? Speaker 1 Ones where the work is done. Speaker 2 For yeah, ones where I don't get all the clues and I'm not like actually solving anything, I'm just watching someone solve it and I'm like, wow, that's a clever way to kill someone. Speaker 1 I mean, I'm fine with, I like mysteries, I like mystery movies, things like that. I think my problem with Enola, it's like Wednesday. Oh, you. Speaker 2 Don't like Wednesday I. Speaker 1 Do like it but it's so Gen. Z it takes away from what who Wednesday Adams actually is like or originally the character. Speaker 2 Was but don't you think it's like reimagined for Gen. ZS because it's coming on now versus like people who knew Wednesday Adam would have just been reading the original like. Speaker 1 Yes, and again, that's fine if it doesn't take away from the heart of the character or the heart of the of the story. I think it takes away this in the same way I think Enola and it being so intense about the female empowerment takes away from the storyline because it sometimes just ignores the way history or like people at the time would have reacted to some of those actions or like it. It'll have them react, but not in a way that makes sense. Like a man will be like, Oh my gosh, a woman speaking up for herself. What? And it's like, that's not he would just like he would just be like up stupid. Speaker 2 To be fair, I feel like any of these like reimagine historical settings are always going to have like a touch of like wokeness to it to like, you know, because of the time that it's being released in and like, also just like the theme they're trying to deliver. Speaker 1 And I agree, but. Speaker 2 And it's not going to be inconsistent with what's happening in the time. Speaker 1 Period. It is, yeah, meant to be. But when it's overt it pisses me off. OK, it they just need to be. Speaker 2 More that you hate bridge or tip too. Speaker 1 No. Well, I yes, in some parts, yes, absolutely. I think they're a little bit too intense about some things, but I think they do try to keep some of the issues that go on behind closed doors. Yeah, still behind closed doors. OK. Which I was really pissed off about the end of this past season, but have we already talked about it around? Speaker 2 Here, No, we didn't. We only talked about the first part and you cut it out, remember? Speaker 1 My. Speaker 2 God, remember? Okay, she actually, we talked about it before on this podcast, but this girl cut it out because apparently I was too vulgar. It's a vulgar show. Apparently Bridgerton is a raunchy show. What? Speaker 1 About was the nastiness of it all, dude, you don't want to talk about the like understanding of human behavior and you want. Speaker 2 To talk about I don't I the. Speaker 1 Stairwell. See. Speaker 2 Maybe because I'm a man, the the man brain is like, you know, pea sized. There's only so much that can be stored in there, and it's unfortunately just like I said, actionable items, yeah, so not. Speaker 1 Drugs rock'n'roll. Speaker 2 Yeah, so not necessarily just like what drives humanity decisions or whatever else, like actual like big theme topics. I can't debate on that. Unfortunately my pee brain cannot function like that. Right. Anyways, yeah. So you hated the ending of Bridge of 10? I think we we talked about it like. Speaker 1 As a. Speaker 2 Group not as on this podcast, but we have talked about our feelings about it and we kind of both agreed that like what you hated the way they handwritten the. Speaker 1 Fucking point. Speaker 2 Correct. Speaker 1 Of what's her missus Mondrich priming the queen and being like he fell in love with a maid and then? Speaker 2 And then, just kidding, Oops T. Speaker 1 He ha ha, just kidding, she is. Speaker 2 Totally fine actually, but that's not like I think that's obviously like, oh, the Queen knows and she's just turning a blind eye to it. So it's so as to not cast them out from society because it's a good drama, good tea. Speaker 1 But that's right. That's what though, because she's not going to she's, I don't think, I genuinely don't think the Queen was like that pressed about it. She was like she was kind of bored at the fact that she wasn't a maid. Well, even though she was. Speaker 2 No, but like the Queen obviously knew she was a maid. Did you not catch that from the ending? She definitely knew she was a maid. Speaker 1 No, because they were like, Oh no, she's actually part of the family of this blah blah blah. Speaker 2 No, like but the Queen's not and the but the Queen knew that like she is a maid. Speaker 1 But like, the queen literally turned around and was like, oh, that's kind of boring. I'm gonna go now. Speaker 2 Yeah, but I feel like they exchanged looks of like, oh, you know, like I'm turning a blind knight to it. You didn't get that vibe. Speaker 1 No, I didn't. Speaker 2 Get that? I think if. Speaker 1 We like, I'm pretty sure. Speaker 2 We can bring this up at lunch table tomorrow. We got other people who are in on this Bridgerton read read along. But. Speaker 1 Even the way that like, Missus Mondres was like, oh, I must have been mistaken, like. Speaker 2 Obviously it's like everyone's playing dumb. I think the real. Speaker 1 Is a little dumb. Speaker 2 I think she's just bored and so she's like, I will entertain this and they're gonna lie about her last name. That's the part I hated the most is why would you like, they're already, I feel like trying to do like break societal norms. And then, yeah, it's a Cinderella story. So I feel like they should have just done something that like, fit more in theme with Cinderella and either like kept her last name and just like, oh, the queen is accepting, which is like probably not historically accurate. Or they should have just like had another segue I guess about like her actual origins or something like that where she's like legit, I don't know. Speaker 1 I think they should have kept Benedict gay. Speaker 2 A bisexual queen? He's a bisexual man. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 2 So you're saying well. Speaker 1 That's coming soon the other way. Speaker 2 That's coming soon. You don't know. Speaker 1 The girl. Speaker 2 Francesca, yeah. They try to be too woke for her for some reason. Like, why did they? So in the book, that's another man. The cousin's another man, you know that? Like Michaela's a Michael. That's. Speaker 1 Interesting. But do you think they're just gonna like, I don't know, like hide it the way they did the whole maid thing? Speaker 2 Hide it. What do you mean hide it? Speaker 1 Like, because I don't know. I don't know what they're going to do. Speaker 2 Well, it's going to be a while. Speaker 1 Either way it's going to piss me off I think. Speaker 2 Yeah, I can see that. I think Bridgeton has has its like ups and downs for sure. The Wild European Work Trip and Our Traumatic Karaoke Night Yeah, all right. Sorry. We were talking about karaoke and Europe on our work trip. Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. So because it is. OK, OK, OK. Yeah. So basically we went for like a celebration drink dinner plus like drinks my in the middle of the week. Speaker 1 Correct. Speaker 2 Yeah, on a Wednesday. Speaker 1 We were just trying to like. Speaker 2 To be fair, we were, to be fair, like the team there wanted to like take us out basically like the team's pretty young. Speaker 1 And it was more team building. Speaker 2 Yeah, it was more team building, but like we were traveling, so we were like, you know what, we're expensing it. So like, you know, we're taking you guys out like you guys pick a place and we ended up like, I think paying for it between the two of us, which is like, I feel like pretty fair. Like they, they do a lot like our our poor colleagues that we bother all the time. They're they're. Speaker 1 I've met with them so many times. Speaker 2 They're getting mistreated. Speaker 1 But so are we. Speaker 2 Yeah, but I feel like it compounds the more. Speaker 1 That's the European benefits. Speaker 2 Yeah, the holidays, Oh, it was on a Wednesday because one of them was going on holiday. So it was like the only the last day that all of us would be like in the office together sharing one room. Mind you, there was five of us in one room. It was a good time like. Speaker 1 Yeah, we went. We went to a couple bars after dinner. Speaker 2 Yeah. And then? Speaker 1 All of a sudden it was like 11:30. Speaker 2 And turns out that the last train leaves at 11:30 and they commute in by train, so by biking to the train station. And then it's very European of them biking to the train station and then biking, you know, taking it like one or two stops and then biking home. Yeah, essentially they live in like a more. Speaker 1 It doesn't matter where they live. Speaker 2 Ecology Town, you know, a little more downtown, I feel. Speaker 1 Like it don't matter. Speaker 2 Anyways, the Mr. Train, we were in the middle of an Irish bar. Yeah, shout out to, I forgot the name of it, but Irish Bar and where the bartender didn't really know how to make Grace's drink. She's still hung up on that, I think. Were you pissed about? Speaker 1 That, yeah. What did I ask about? Speaker 2 You were like ordering some cocktail, like he was expecting people to get just like beers. Speaker 1 I think I ordered like a or something old fashioned or something. Speaker 2 Yeah, and he, like, pulled out the recipe book. Speaker 1 Yeah, that was crazy. Oh no, I ordered a whiskey sour. Speaker 2 He pulled out the he pulled out that that recipe book. Speaker 1 A simple drink at an also an Irish pub they have like it was it was not that it was an obscure drink for this bar. It was literally one of the like 5 cocktails on their menu and I ordered it and he had. Speaker 2 To He was flabbergasted. This bartender was flabbergasted. He pulled out a a cocktail menu card to know how to make it. He took like 15 minutes making this drink. He really tried. We were the only we were the only table. He was like. Speaker 1 Servicing. And yeah, it was. It was very interesting. Speaker 2 Yeah. And then we stayed there. Oh no, they missed their train. And then the reasonable logical topic that follows through is let's go karaoke. Might as well go to yeah. So we there is a karaoke bar that was open till 2:00 in the morning. Speaker 1 And it was basically right around the corner. It was serendipity. Speaker 2 Yeah, no, the dopamine was hitting and to be fair, I was already tired. I was falling asleep at the bar and then I fell asleep at the karaoke bar. Speaker 1 But so we walked not. Speaker 2 After taking some pictures, we had good pictures and then I sent it to my manager. Shout out I forgot about. Speaker 1 That yeah, that was crazy. Speaker 2 That was crazy. Speaker 1 Cuz it was like during the day. Speaker 2 In yeah, it was during the day. In America it was like 3:00 AM, in Europe, like 2:00 AM maybe. And then I sent it to him and my manager was like looks fun. Speaker 1 We didn't have any. Speaker 2 Like and it was a Wednesday and it was a Wednesday and the lighting was crazy cuz we're all purple. Yeah, the lighting was crazy. Speaker 1 But we walked in, there was like a group of like English dudes. Speaker 2 Yeah. And then two guys, I think. Speaker 1 Very drunk. Speaker 2 Yeah, as you do. It's a carry out. Speaker 1 Screaming into the mic as they should. Yeah. So that was kind of fun. And then and. Speaker 2 Then we ordered a lot of drinks. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 2 Did a lot of Jager shots. There was a lot of Jager. I don't know why there was so much Jager like. Speaker 1 I haven't had my first time having Jager. Speaker 2 Really. I haven't had Jager since college and I've only had it in the form of a Jager bomb. But their Jager bomb is different. Like there's not as much Red Bull in their Jager bombs. I've had like Jager bombs with way more Red Bull proportionally. Maybe that's just like a college version of like Red Bull is much cheaper than Jager. Speaker 1 I had no experience with Jager or Jager bombs so. Speaker 2 Did you like it it? Speaker 1 Was pretty tasty, I didn't mind it. Speaker 2 Did it remind you of? Speaker 1 Mallor no, they're very different. Mallor's so much better. Speaker 2 Really. There's no way, Mallor. Speaker 1 'S just different. Speaker 2 I don't I don't hate Mallor, but there's no ways better than Baker Earthy acquired taste. Let's just say yeah. So we, I felt like we, we did pretty good at the karaoke bar and like. Speaker 1 We sing some Katy Perry. Speaker 2 Some Chapel. Rome, of course, and the bartender was well, and the craziest part is like you have to go up to the bartender to queue up the songs and then like we would take, I didn't really go up to the bartender to queue up a song because like, I'm not a I'm a sing along guy. Speaker 1 Right. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. I'm not the main character, you know? I just, you know, sing along when you were singing. Let's just say, yeah, yeah. I didn't want to be the only American, you know, Honestly, I have performance anxiety. Speaker 1 I felt great. I felt like every every dude there was flirting with me for some reason. Speaker 2 Yeah, even the one that came in with like one of the like with a girl. Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, actually, yeah, he. Speaker 2 Gave me his number. Oh, the girl gave her number to. Speaker 1 You too, you know so. Speaker 2 She wasn't a throuple. I was. You heard it here first. Speaker 1 So the guy was a good singer. So I was like, oh, you're a good singer. I told him that and then went up to the bar when like his like the girl who was with him was up there and she was saying some weird stuff. Speaker 2 Yeah, she was. I we cannot, I mean, we could repeat it on here, but it's not, it's very vulgar. Yeah. And then she's gonna cut it out. Speaker 1 I like went through my purse the next day and she had like written down both of their names and a phone number and slipped it into my. Speaker 2 Purse. Yeah, she was almost in a throuple. Speaker 1 I I. Speaker 2 She was almost 1/3. Speaker 1 Yeah, I walked away pretty quickly after that conversation. Speaker 2 Yeah. And so we stayed in that karaoke bar until we closed it down. Yeah. We're the only Americans, I think. I don't think there were other Americans. Speaker 1 No. Speaker 2 To be fair, it was like late on a Wednesday. Speaker 1 It was a strange time to. Speaker 2 Be so the only people in there I feel like were tourists surely? Speaker 1 Yeah, 1 I mean. Speaker 2 Tourists, plus the two coworkers that we were with. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 2 That missed the train. Speaker 1 They were such troopers. Speaker 2 Though they were troopers, it was so much fun and OK. So this reminds me the first time I went there for for the same project, right? We went to like, basically we got dinner with them where they live. So like a train right away the other way and we got stranded there or not stranded there. We missed the last train there. So everything comes full circle. We missed the train that like to go back to our hotel and because we were on company money or like we're just going to call a cab. There was three of us. We split the cost between like, you know, when you when you do the expense report, you just, you just put three things in there like it's, you know, divided evenly. Yeah, we got a cab because we missed the last train. Whereas like these guys, they were troopers because they, you know, live and work there. They're not about to do that. And so Grace so graciously offered up like, oh, do you guys want to like take the bed and I'll sleep on the couch in this in this hotel room. And I was like, I think she offered like my place is smaller. She got an upgrade. She got an upgraded room, mind you. Speaker 1 To be fair, my upgraded room was one king bed. Speaker 2 I mean mine was like 1 queen bed. Speaker 1 Oh, Oh yeah, I got. Speaker 2 She got a bigger bed. Yeah, yeah. Speaker 1 But yeah, there was like a little. Speaker 2 Like a hotel room, like there's only so big it can be really. And so she like offered them like, oh, if you guys want to crash, like you can like take the bed, I'll sleep on the couch. And then to be fair, like I would have offered two, but she offered first. She offered first. Speaker 1 So one of our coworkers helped put Ming to bed. Speaker 2 Yeah, I also, I was falling asleep and I was like, I'm gonna pass out. And I did. And pass out I did. He certainly did. And so we, yeah. So we left that bar at like 2:00 in the morning. We got back to the hotel maybe like 233 o'clock. I don't remember this but I immediately passed out on the bed though. Speaker 1 Yeah, well, that's good. Thank God. Speaker 2 Yeah, but I was kind of like sitting upright, like I was like leaning against the headboard a little bit instead of like fully horizontal. I remember that because I woke up in the middle of night. All the lights were on and I was like, oh, where am I? And then I looked at my phone and I just saw that Grace like FaceTime called me. And so apparently like they put me to bed and like to be fair, like none of them knew my like room number. They just like walked me to I think to my room because I was on a different floor. You guys didn't know my hotel room? Speaker 1 Number. No, I was pretty sure we I did and we we did. Speaker 2 You did, but like I never explicitly said it like over text or anything like that. I meant room. Speaker 1 I think I went to your room to go get you once. Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like like I think by like muscle memory you knew I. Speaker 1 Was like, I'm pretty sure it's down. Speaker 2 Hallway but it was so funny because she I woke up like the next morning with like a FaceTime video message. Turns out they didn't sleep. Speaker 1 No. Speaker 2 I'm gonna omit some details, but they didn't sleep. They went for a walk and then and then they went to the front desk to ask to confirm if my room number was the right one they had. Speaker 1 On site. So we went to your room. Yeah, we banged on the door cuz we like we were gonna go for a walk cuz they just wanted to stay up and yeah, wait for the next train, which was gonna be at like 4 or five. Yeah. So we went to Ming's room like we're banging on the door. Speaker 2 And I did not hear a single thing and. Speaker 1 I was like, oh, shoot, like. Speaker 2 I really. Speaker 1 Hope that that was Ming's room. So then that's when I tried Facetiming you. Yeah. Still didn't pick up. So I was Facetiming as we went down to the front desk. Yeah. We asked the person at the front desk if that was your his room and he looked it up and told us yes. Speaker 2 Yeah, but I mean, it's crazy. But also I feel like to be fair, you came to them with a room number and a name. And it's like, I feel like that's already past the level of security that like, if they're asking like I'm looking for this person, what room number are they in? I feel like that's like more like, I can't tell you, but if you're like going up to them and saying like, I'm with this person, I suppose I'm pretty sure they're in this room. Can you confirm? Because we want to like, wake him up. Speaker 1 Yeah, but I suppose so. But in any situation, like what if you had just set a random room number and they were like, I think he looked up just your name and I was like, yeah, that room, yeah. Speaker 2 So I mean like. Speaker 1 I feel like a normal. Speaker 2 A normal hotel wouldn't do that. Speaker 1 Yeah, they would be like. Speaker 2 But mind you, it was a chain hotel, so it is a chain, so it was. Speaker 1 A European hotel. Speaker 2 No, we have it here. Speaker 1 Normal the chain, yes, but like maybe they didn't have different policies in Europe. Speaker 2 The European hospitality, Yeah, like giving out guest info. Gave me all guest info. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just a little security breach. He should have just let you in. Speaker 1 He should have given me the key. Yeah, that's. Speaker 2 What I'm saying the master key honestly. Speaker 1 And actually that's my husband and I forgot to get my other key. Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly. So I anyways, I did not wake up through it. I did not hear any door banging, did not hear the call. And then so like the next morning I wake up and this girl went for a walk with them, like. Speaker 1 What? Speaker 2 Did you sleep like 3 hours or something like that? Speaker 1 Pretty much. Speaker 2 She was up and like went for a run at 8:00 in the morning or something like that and I woke up at like 9 something to be fair. Like we weren't needed until like the afternoon, I think. Speaker 1 Well, you I. Speaker 2 She went to. Speaker 1 Go in because it was like the end of my portion of the the. Speaker 2 Yeah, So what was happening, you know, maybe it was kind of a maybe I should have hosted them, you know, maybe I should have been the one to go for a walk. Anyways, I didn't show up until like afternoon because I was like, I need to sleep. And so did our poor local Co workers. Yeah, well, one guy was went on vacation, right? So like that was his last. That was the whole reason we did it on a Wednesday. Yeah, he went on holiday. And then the other, the other guy. Our other. Speaker 1 Co worker who didn't stay past dinner and he was like. Speaker 2 We had a rough night. I'm at 5:00 in the morning too. When he got home today, yeah, it was rough. This poor guy. We put him through to like hell and back honestly. Apparently he's banned from karaoke. We're we have set a bad example. Well, I thought. Speaker 1 That was the other one who had the. Speaker 2 But I think it, I mean, I don't, I think they come as a group. Like they're not gonna solo go to a karaoke bar with any random person who's travelling in. Speaker 1 Yeah, I feel like they're definitely. Speaker 2 Even with, even with our, like established rapport, you think if I go back there, OK, but like, but I think you're more of the instigator. Yeah. What? Yeah, I think you instigated a lot more. You were like, let's go to the Irish bar and look where that ended us. Speaker 1 I did not. You said you wanted to go bar hopping. You were like bar hopping. T hee hee. Speaker 2 And bar hopping we did. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 2 We just lost track of time. Speaker 1 Yeah, well, it's not. We weren't responsible for the training. Speaker 2 Schedule, that is true, yeah. We were going to go bar hopping anyways because we're on company time and like, it's not a good work trip until you've like, had a couple drinks per night when in Rome, you know? See, you gotta have a couple. I didn't know this. Speaker 1 Was my first work trip that wasn't like this was my first European work trip. OK, so I did not know the rules. Speaker 2 Yeah, and clearly. Speaker 1 You didn't be there. Speaker 2 These weren't the rules. It's just when in Rome you do as the Romans. Speaker 1 Right. Speaker 2 So like, you gotta have beer isn't really even alcoholic there. You know, you can drink that at like 12. All I'm saying is it's just a beverage. Speaker 1 Right, it's just to cleanse the palate. Speaker 2 Yeah, and unfortunately I can't digest alcohol. I lack the gene to do. Speaker 1 So. Speaker 2 So I get really sleepy and I get really red in the face. You know, Asian glow. I was glowing for sure. Glow in the dark. Speaker 1 At the karaoke. Speaker 2 At the karaoke bar, because it's like purple lighting and I'm I'm glowing from within, you know, radiance. Speaker 1 Right. Speaker 2 Anyways, yeah, so that's the story of how we got our Co workers in trouble with their girlfriends. Shout out. Speaker 1 Very, very sorry. Speaker 2 About and now. Now they're forbidden from the word karaoke ever again, so I'm sorry. Speaker 1 I might be going back next year. Speaker 2 Yeah, you got, you got to test it because you might not have enough fault without me. I want, I want you to test it. Speaker 1 Right, right. No, I mean, I'm hoping to go with like one of the girls and we'll just go to karaoke on our own. That's crazy. What? Speaker 2 Never mind. Speaker 1 What? Speaker 2 OK, she just doesn't want to karaoke with me. Speaker 1 I feel like because you fall asleep and then knock over the water that. Speaker 2 Only if I've had like 3 hours worth of bar hopping at me though if we start there. Oh wait, you can't really start at a karaoke bar. Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a terrible idea. You. Speaker 2 Know what? Yeah, You're so right. Yeah, you're so right. Speaker 1 Anyways. Speaker 2 Hopefully we got to go back. We don't work on projects anymore. So like we they've separated us too, I think for a good reason. Speaker 1 It's yeah, They learned very quickly not to do that. Speaker 2 Yeah, so. Speaker 1 We do not want to be on any of the projects that you're on. Speaker 2 Same actually likewise. Speaker 1 Is it like your projects or mine? Speaker 2 Yours like, like back at ya, you know, like. Speaker 1 No, that's fair. Speaker 2 Yeah, I would hate to be on those. Speaker 1 Too. Speaker 2 Although I will say like I think your portion is significantly more annoying than what I would like. We're not under the same team. So like it's your portion will be significantly more annoying on your projects. Speaker 1 Yeah, and that's OK. Speaker 2 Yeah, so someone's gotta do it. Yeah, someone's gotta do it. You're just taking one for the team. Speaker 1 Yeah, I am a team player at the end of the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker 2 In hopes of international travel when it's done. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 2 Yeah, so we even get to the stranded part. Oh my God, we're not even at the stranded in euro part. So this is karaoke. And then on our way back. Speaker 1 Hold on. Wait. OK, so here's the thing. Do we have time to tell that whole story, or should we save it for a different episode? Speaker 2 Yeah, I think maybe we leave it on a cliffhanger, right? We've never done that before. Speaker 1 Should well, should we touch on any other topics and you have any thoughts on Gordon Ramsay? Speaker 2 I can't. Why do we have that written down? What do you talk about, Gordon Ramsay? I used to watch so much Hell's Kitchen growing up. Back in my days, Hell's Kitchen was peak. Speaker 1 Hell's Kitchen was peak, I agree with you there. Speaker 2 Yeah, but only I feel like the OG seasons. Speaker 1 Do you prefer the OG seasons that were like, dramatized in a way that was like 2000s reality TV? Yeah. Speaker 2 So like season 2? You ever watched season 2 or 3? Speaker 1 I'm sure I did. Speaker 2 So season 2 had this like nanny, do you remember there's this blonde nanny. Speaker 1 OK, well, I don't remember specifics. Speaker 2 Her name was Bonnie. Shout out Bonnie the nanny I think. Speaker 1 Have you watched Kitchen Nightmares with that one crazy lady? Speaker 2 I don't like kitchen nightmares. Speaker 1 ABC Baking. Yeah, Amy's Baking Company. No. Oh my gosh, brother. Speaker 2 I I don't OK, I'll find it. I don't really like kitchen that one because like it's. Speaker 1 You would like this one. This one is basically reality TV like. Speaker 2 Speaking of reality TV, Mormon Wives is coming back and she hates it. And Bachelorette, she hates both of those. Speaker 1 I actually that's one thing I was going to do for your sake, because you let me talk about love is blind. Last week I was going to look up the pictures of the bachelors for The Bachelorette. So we. Speaker 2 Can so we can do a fantasy league? You're gonna join the fantasy league. Speaker 1 Well, I don't really care about their personalities. Speaker 2 It's OK you just based off of look like there hasn't been an episode aired or anything like you judge before the show starts. If you want to make your own bets, leave us a comment about The Bachelor. Speaker 1 I just want to make a bet. I just want to judge them real quick right now. Speaker 2 Oh, OK, OK. Is that a, is that a good ending to the podcast you think just judging men? Anyways, if you listen this far, we're going to have a special guest next episode. We've already pen penciled it, penned it down, not even pencil. We have it in the calendars. We're gonna have a special guest. I know we're going places. Speaker 1 Although we were supposed to have this special guest for this episode and we did not coordinate well but to. Speaker 2 Be fair, we didn't tell her until today. Speaker 1 That's why I said we did not coordinate that well. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not victim blaming. Speaker 2 I am. Speaker 1 No. Speaker 2 Not me always, no. Speaker 1 No, no. So next episode where we're gonna have a special guest. You heard her name. Speaker 2 Her name? Yeah. Speaker 1 Everyone's a girl here. Speaker 2 Yeah, a girl's girl. Yeah, a diva. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 2 You'll hear from one of our earliest supporters, let's just say. Speaker 1 One of our sponsors. Speaker 2 Yeah, we might have video next time. Speaker 1 Woo. Speaker 2 I don't think so. Speaker 1 Yeah, probably not. Speaker 2 No, you. We need Lucy for that. Speaker 1 Wait, actually you're right. We've been asking the wrong person this whole time. Speaker 2 Yeah, Lucy got the setup. Now she doesn't even need to sponsor us, she just needs to bring again. Speaker 1 Oh my gosh, Lucy, let's combine forces your production value, Our production value synergy. Speaker 2 To do what? Like a podcast? A collaboration podcast? No, well, just equipment sharing. Just. Speaker 1 Equipment sharing. Speaker 2 ASMR cooking show. Speaker 1 We do the voice over for Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker 2 What's up, guys? I I've told her my idea. I was like, I want a voice over your cooking video. The one I do know, that's ASMR. Zach Choi. No. Speaker 1 No, no, no, no. Speaker 2 The whole salmon? No, don't. He's out here slipping a whole salmon filet in RAW like it's a slurping noise and I love it so much. Speaker 1 I hate eating and mouth noise ASMR. I think it's so nasty. I like like. Speaker 2 But you like doing it, no? Speaker 1 No, I like like I like do. Speaker 2 You like do you like the this might expose myself, but do you like the like the voice ones where it's like a boyfriend ASMR? Speaker 1 No, we've already talked about voicemail. Speaker 2 Voicemail. Hold on, hold on. She's been cooking up this name. Speaker 1 No, I just can't talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've already talked about boy's boyfriend ASMR. I hate it. I like tapping. I like the sound of like. Speaker 2 So you don't actually like words? Speaker 1 You just like. Speaker 2 Noises that. Speaker 1 Soft whisper. Speaker 2 But you don't think. Yeah. So like, what if boyfriend ASMR is a soft whisper? No, but then they're telling you they're calling you a good boy. No, no, no, no, no, Really. No. Speaker 1 Wait, I need. Speaker 2 My, we're not the same. Speaker 1 My type of ASMR is like an old lady who's like cleaning my face or like, OK, listen to this, you guys, hold on. Speaker 2 Ain't no way she's. Speaker 1 Wasn't that nice? Speaker 2 I hope it comes out well because it does not sound good in person. I know it doesn't sound like ASM hard to me at all. It's like just normal. Speaker 1 Sound. Well the the sound needs to be blasted a little bit. I'll I'll cut it and edit the sound. Speaker 2 Like maybe in playback it will be like fine, but it's just not. Speaker 1 Some people do like. Speaker 2 Oh, that's good. That's too loud. I think he's feeling soft. Speaker 1 It's coming. Speaker 2 Up OK anyways, this has gotten really derailed. I don't know if we're my lose sponsors, we might lose our biggest fan from this. Speaker 1 If you hate ASMR, I don't want you as a sponsor, so how about that? Speaker 2 We might lose our biggest fan, he might not comment. What after the ASMR? Speaker 1 No, wait, what? I don't know. You don't like ASMR? Speaker 2 I don't know, I'm just saying like. Speaker 1 We'll go talk to him right now after. Speaker 2 SMR might be, might be. We'll do an ASMR. Speaker 1 We can trim it down, it doesn't need to be all. Speaker 2 Of we'll try to do an ASMR episode. I can't whisper though. Speaker 1 I'm just gonna post it as private. Speaker 2 The ASMR, Yeah, yeah, and I'll do the boyfriend ASMR. I'll have a script I need to listen to. Speaker 1 Something. Speaker 2 Like for inspiration? Speaker 1 That we're gonna. Speaker 2 It's like Patreon activity. Actually, I'm. Speaker 1 We're doing that on your laptop. If you're doing it on my laptop, I'm setting my laptop on fire like I. Speaker 2 I it might, it must be. It might be on fire by itself. It might organically combust actually, because this laptop is like. Speaker 1 She's working. Speaker 2 Yeah, she. Speaker 1 That's the fan. Speaker 2 Is going she. Speaker 1 Can't say she doesn't put in the work. Speaker 2 Yeah, I have a similar laptop I feel like and it's really old. I have an old laptop that's HP and that shit is laggy. Speaker 1 Yeah, this is not a good laptop. I don't recommend. I would. Speaker 2 Not get a touch. Speaker 1 Screen laptop again either. Speaker 2 OK, but I feel like all the laptops nowadays are touchscreen even if you don't want it to be. Speaker 1 I always forget that it's touchscreen. Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't like touchscreen laptops either. Speaker 1 They just slow it down. Speaker 2 Yeah, not a fan. Anyways, I think that was good enough yapping. What do you think? Speaker 1 Yeah, I think we're good. Speaker 2 Yeah, we're gonna have a special guest next time. I think we'll maybe talk about stranded in Europe. Yeah, in a different episode. That's not that's guest list. Maybe 'cause there's a lot to unpack with our guests. Speaker 1 I think you're gonna, you guys are gonna learn a lot about our personalities from a third party view. Speaker 2 Yeah, we need a mediator because we also. That was just, he said, she said. Yeah. Speaker 1 We need her to describe. Speaker 2 Her first impression of both of us? Speaker 1 What we're like, yeah. And then if she's mean, we're mean back. Speaker 2 Oh, I'm mean like, normally, unfortunately, like, you know, in a playful way. I. Speaker 1 Don't think it could be mean to her to be honest. Speaker 2 She's I'm unfortunately always mean to. Speaker 1 Her. Yeah, you're gonna. Speaker 2 I'm just Regina George. Speaker 1 Good cop, bad cop. Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm just Regina George, like, you know. Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 2 Anyways, but not in the cast, not in the like after she got hit by a bus. Speaker 1 Right. Yeah, No, not the headgear yet. Speaker 2 Not the headgear. Just like when she gains weight, yeah. Speaker 1 Anyways, all right, well, thank you guys for listening. This has been. Speaker 2 Shout out to our biggest fan. Speaker 1 Yeah, or. Speaker 2 Apologize for our 2:00 AM conversation once again. Surely you listen till the end. Speaker 1 Surely, surely he wouldn't stop halfway. Speaker 2 Through He would not stop halfway through. Speaker 1 And we appreciate you and you alone. Speaker 2 Yeah, please leave a comment so he's not alone. Yeah, and rate of five stars. Speaker 1 Yeah, I probably won't forget to put a poll about how iffy this episode was, so feel free to answer the poll. Yeah, I forgot the last episode. Speaker 2 And that's OK. We're human. We're human. Speaker 1 Appreciate that. Speaker 2 All right. Unfortunately, I think we have to go. We've got to wrap up. Speaker 1 But I'm Grace. Speaker 2 And I'm Ming. Speaker 1 And this has been iffy it. Speaker 2 Kind of has been. Speaker 1 This got iffy. We did. This got iffy the last episode. Speaker 2 Keep it in. Just keep both in. Keep coming. Speaker 1 Synchronous. Oh my God, forget it.