Episode 3: Ancient Wisdom, Modern Application

Welcome to all things Vegas, nourishing self-care for the helping professional. During our time together, we will explore a wide variety of topics relating to self-care, all especially geared to the helping professional. Our guests are all thought leaders and cutting-edge providers in their respective fields of endeavor. They will offer not only helpful insights but practical skills that you can begin to use immediately. Janne Gallipo is a doctor of Oriental Medicine who has been in private practice since 1993. For areas of study and expertise include acupuncture, homeopathy, nutrition, and both Chinese and herbal medicine. Dr. Gallipo has traveled the globe as an advanced instructor and ambassador of leading edge mind-body energy medicine. Today, her Miami-based practice is a testament to the powerful integration of all aspects of her holistic mind-body spirit approach to helping well-being. If you're interested in learning more about Dr. Gallipo's approach to helping well-being, please visit her website at bodyintuitive.org. Well, Janne, it's welcome. Glad that we get to have this conversation today. This is going to be pretty interesting, I think. So for all of our crew out there listening, can you start by just giving us kind of an overview of the foundations of Chinese medicine? I think a lot of people know little bits and pieces here and there, but can you kind of give us something that kind of ties all of this together a little bit? I know it's a big subject, so it's a big ask. Well, Kathy, thank you so much for having me on today. And as you know, I love talking about Chinese medicine. All aspects of it are really fun. And yeah, for looking at the foundations of Chinese medicine, we have to go back a long way because Chinese medicine is like really old. And so, compare it to our medical system today that's been going on for maybe 150, 200 years. And we're looking back four or five thousand years. It's like, wow, like how did they know so much back then? So the origins of Chinese medicine really go back to the Stone Age. The first needles were made out of stone. And that's what they used in the acupoints. And of course, if they were meddling, you know, four to five thousand years ago, then that means that they had already developed a theory about Chinese medicine, about what they were doing because in order to put a needle in some place, you have to understand like what the needle was supposed to do. And so, yeah, so the ancient Chinese, the ancient Taoists were observers. You know, they were really checking out the body. They were observing the body from the outside. They were, you know, looking for what we call signs and symptoms. What was visible, right? Because they didn't do autopsies. Like, you know, there was Chinese medicine. It was really based on, you know, Taoism, Buddhism, Confucianism. And they did not believe in cutting into the body because the body is something sacred. So, so everything that they learned about the body, they had to learn from observation. So, yeah. So then, you know, then when they are actually counting the, you know, period that where Chinese medicine actually began, they're looking at written texts, right? Because it's really, it's hard to come back to an oral tradition, although obviously it did start in that way. But the earliest written texts were maybe 1600 to 2000 BCE. So, yeah. So, we're looking at a system that is definitely over 4000 years old. That just, I think, for a lot of us, it's a little mind-boggling perhaps, right? And again, recognizing, as you said earlier, I think it, I think you can't drive the point home enough that, you know, how do these guys know this, you know, that long ago? And just the power of observations, pretty astonishing, I think. You know, and it's really interesting, because when you read some of the ancient texts, and you know, some of them have been lost, but some of them have been, you know, kind of resurrected. You really see that each of the Chinese doctors were kind of doctor scholars. And so, each one would study, like one particular subject for the whole of their lifetime. So, you know, one would be studying, you know, the spleen, the role of the spleen, and the other one would be studying, you know, what does the Chong Chi of the lungs do? You know, and all of these subjects, so then they would spend their whole life studying this particular aspect, and they would, they would write a treatise on it, you know, and then that would then be inherited by the next generation of doctors. So, it's a very long scholarly study, and I think that we can say that it has survived today because it worked so well. Right. Exactly. So, when we look at this really long, you know, long-standing medical tradition, what do you feel like are the pieces that we are the best at bringing forward in terms of, you know, what is it, what is this best serve in our modern times in your opinion? Yeah. So, you know, it is ancient wisdom, but ancient wisdom can be applied for modern times, because, you know, within the theories of Chinese medicine, there's a lot of flexibility. Right. And so, you know, the Chinese doctors and scholars believe that everybody was very different, everybody had very different, you know, environmental conditions, home conditions, genetic conditions. So, there had to be a lot of flexibility in the approach, you know, how do we treat this particular imbalance? So, I think that one of the things that has made Chinese medicine so applicable for today's healthcare issues is its flexibility and the ability to look at each person very distinctly and very separately to see what's going on in there, you know, what is the state of their union, what is the state of their five elements, you know, where's the pain in their body, you know, and to really apply these theories in a very kind of flexible and adaptable way. Right. Exactly. So, one of the things, of course, that's that we're really focused on with our podcast is the idea of how we can better use, you know, these various topics that we're exploring to take better take care of ourselves. So, I think a lot of people have the impression perhaps that Chinese medicine is something that is done to them, right? Like you go somewhere and, you know, get something done. So, what kinds of things are there kind of embodied in the whole Chinese medicine philosophy and theory, what's there that we can actually apply to ourselves, you know, in terms of self-care? Yeah, great question. So, I think there's two points that I always like to make, you know, with clients and with students. And one is you have to understand something about you and young balance in the body, right? The fact that, you know, there are these opposite forces that are happening, right? So, Chinese medical theory kind of started with the idea of one, right? So, there's the one person. But then that one person suddenly gets split off into pairs of opposite. So, we know that, you know, there's night and there's day, right? There's dark and there's light. And in the body, there is the right side and there is the left side. There is cold and there is heat. You know, so there are these, you know, internal forces that have to be balanced out in the body. One of the really interesting ones is the concept of excess and deficiency. So, you know, excess basically means we have too much stuff going into the body, right? There's too much stuff. There's too much food, there's too much alcohol, there's too much, you know, too many other substances, maybe their pharmaceutical medicines or, you know, whatever, there's stuff going into the body that's not sort of part of the body's natural processes. And it creates a build up in certain organ systems and areas of the body. So, we say that's an excess condition that has to be reduced to balance, get in young, right? And then of course, there's this concept of deficiency, opposite of excess. So, deficiency is not enough stuff going in, right? Not enough good, nutritious food, not enough rest, not enough relaxation time, not enough recovery time for the body. So, so the fact is that most of us in modern life are this kind of weird mixture of excess and deficiency. We've got, we've got, you know, certain areas that are like crying for help going help, don't give me anymore stuff, you know, like the liver. And then we've got other areas that are really feeling deficient, you know, like, like maybe the spleen or the lungs are saying we really need more stuff in here. We've got to produce more nutrient rich blood. We need help. So, what we're trying to do always is to balance out these yin and yang or what we call excess and deficiency conditions. And, and I think awareness is really important because I think you're right, Kathy, like most people equate, you know, Chinese medicine is, oh, you go to the acupuncture doctor, they stick some needles in you. And I don't know what they did. I don't know what really happened. But that's not really what Chinese medicine is about. Chinese medicine is more about understanding the philosophy of what makes the body happy, right? What helps the body to be balanced? You know, it's a it's a philosophy that can be applied. And that's what's important in our daily health. You know, we got to wake up in the morning and say, okay, what do we got to do to be healthy today? And in order to understand that we have to apply some philosophy or some understanding rather than just like, oh, my elbow hurts and I wish it would stop hurting. You know, that's not a philosophy. So so part of the philosophy is this philosophy of balance of getting beyond and courses in the body. So that's one one up thing. The other thing, of course, is we talk about the five elements. So everybody, you know, you say the five elements, their eyes glaze over like what is that? That's a weird Chinese medical theory. And it's like, no, actually the five elements are outside of us. We see them every day. We see the sun, which is the fire element. We see the we see the the ground, which is the earth element. We see the the minerals in the soil, which is the, you know, the metal element. We, you know, all of these elements, you know, are balanced to the water element, of course, wood, our trees. So understanding that these elements are external forces, right? They're they're external resources that are outside of our body. And if we had no contact with them, right? If we had no contact with the earth, we weren't grounded at all, we weren't getting our food from the planet. If we had no contact with a tree, you know, with with the wood element, if we had no contact with the sun, we just stayed inside all the time without any sun contact. We had no relationship with the water element, which is, you know, so important hydration and how dependent we are on water. We can only go, you know, a day or two without water. So, you know, understanding that those external forces are inside of our body, right? They're inside. So inside of us, our water element has to be happy. Our earth element has to be nourished. Our metal element has to be balanced. Our fire element, which is what maintains our body temperature. Yeah. So these elements are inside of us, but they're not just outside of us. Right? Just like what we look at. And, you know, so they're inside and we couldn't really live a day without those elements being active in our body. So, you know, we have the water element. We have to stay hydrated. We need water. We have the fire element, which maintains our body temperature, you know, our 98.6. So if we didn't have an active fire element within our body, we'd be like the reptiles, right? Right. We're all flooded. We need our earth element that really furnishes our nutrition. And so, so we need all of these elements. So there's this very important relationship between the inside and the outside of the body. And I think that that is something that really makes Chinese medicine unique and important in our understanding of health. Because a lot of times, you know, we're focused in on, oh, you know, I'm fatigued today or I have a pain here and my stomach's upset. But we don't really understand that a lot of times it has to do with something in the environment. And so there is something in within the sort of five element configuration outside, right? Either we're not nourishing ourselves properly or we're spending too much time indoors in front of the computer and not getting enough sun and air, whatever that is. So it's that factor that's producing the internal conditions. And this is often something that is not really recognized, you know, people don't understand this. And so I think that that is something that's very important to understand from a Chinese medicine standpoint, because we're always looking at interrelationships, right? Right. So where Western medicine is really focused in on, okay, what's going on with the anatomy of a particular organ like let's do our MRIs and our CAT scans, whatever. And let's see what's malfunctioning. We're looking at relationships, relationships between the organs, relationships between the inside and outside of the body and like that. Right. Right. Exactly. And I think that, you know, point, the point well taken that, you know, that we see so much of what's going on inside of us also happening in the world around us. So I think we can't ignore that. Yes. Ignore that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Say that the body is actually a microcosm of the macrocosm. You know, that there's very important relationship between what's going on outside, you know, planetary conditions, the cosmos, the planetary configurations, the climatic factors. All of these things have a direct effect on our health. Right. Yeah. So Janet, I want to back us up step or two. And I want to just for the sake of clarification for people that may not really truly understand the whole concept of Yin and Yang, can you dive into that paradox of opposites? I always kind of think about it that way because, you know, they're interrelated. They need each other and yet they're opposites. So can you say a bit more about what that, what that, how that rep is represented in the body? Yes. I can certainly try. I mean, I think one of the main Yin and Yang relationships in the body is the relationship between our body's energy, what we call Qi. Right. And our bodies blood or fluids. Right. Right. So a lot of times when we're looking at someone through the lens of the Chinese doctor, we're kind of trying to figure out like, well, is this more of like a Qi situation or is this more of like a blood/Yin situation? Because these things are different. They're actually opposites. Right. She is our vital energy, our electrical energy, the energy flow, our nervous system. You know, we can say it's the it's the flow of energy for our nervous system. So that has to be, you know, aligned for our balance. But then we have this other liquid component, right. So the liquid component is most of the fundamental body substances, which are liquid, you know, including blood, including the water, you know, blood is mostly water and content. And so that also has to be aligned. And if those two Yin and Yang forces, the Yang force of Qi or energy or the nervous system and the Yin aspect of the liquids, you know, bloods, fluids are not matched. Then that is one of the reasons why an imbalance can set in that will eventually be too a disease. So that is a good kind of example of how Yin and Yang manifest in the body. And then of course, you know, it breaks down further from there. There are some Yin organs. There are some Yang organs, you know, and so then we really look more into detail of, okay, you know, what's going on with the main organ systems, what's going on with their meridians? Are they more Yin? Are they more Yang? Are they more about energy? Are they more about blood? You know, and then from there, we we kind of can can look at, you know, how how to balance, you know. And so I think these concepts are very general concepts for people to understand. Like I don't think they are mysterious concepts that are beyond the, you know, understanding of the average person. I think people can understand this very well. You know, people understand when they have low energy, you know, where they are cheap. People understand when they are dehydrated, you know, like they wake up and they're like, oh my god, I'm so dehydrated. Like why? It seems like I can't drink enough water, right? So that's an internal condition of dehydration or what we call indecency. So I think that these things are very understandable for the average person. And I think that one of the things that's really important is more basic Chinese medicine education, you know Chinese is like one of the, you know, ancient healing systems on the planet. I mean, we also have, you know, Aru Veda, which is another excellent system. And so these ancient systems have been around for thousands of years and they have survived for a reason. They're survived because they work really well. And because they're, they're kind of a way to look at our health, a way to look at the planet, a way to look at the relationship with our environment, the way to kind of check in with ourselves and say, okay, you know, what's our state of, you know, health or balance today. So, so I think that, you know, they are systems that are used, you know, all over the world, they've survived for thousands of years. And some of that ancient wisdom can definitely be applied to, you know, life in the, in the US and the Western world in 2022. Right. Exactly. So I think it would be really also interesting. I think you've alluded to some already talking about feeling fatigue or feeling dehydrated as, you know, connecting the dots between these Chinese medicine concepts. Could you expand a little bit on helping us understand better what, you know, like something like, let's say stress or a traumatic experience or whether it's, you know, firsthand trauma or secondary trauma. Can you help us understand from a Chinese medicine perspective what that actually looks like? How might, how might that present in general? Sure. Yeah. So, well, you know, looking at our energy, understanding something about where our energy comes from the support of. So of course in Chinese medicine we talk about this balance between what we call prenatal energy and postnatal energy. The prenatal energy is what we're born with. From our parents and ancestors we have a certain amount of this energy, this prenatal energy that we call "jing". It's almost like our savings account. You're born and you open up a savings account and there's a million dollars in there. And then as we live and we kind of run through our lives then you know this savings account gets a little bit depleted. You know over time we have to go in take some of that amazing you know prenatal juice that we inherited from our parents and use it. So it's always interesting to look at children in this context. So you see a child and I was actually just the other day when to a dinner party was around a three-year-old. And you look at that three-year-old right they're so like amazing and precious and they have so much energy like if you try to keep up with that three-year-old forget it right the energy and I mean it was like 1030 at night and she was dancing and she was doing puzzles and she was doing gymnastics and she was running around in circles and all the adults are trying to like keep up with her. So that's what why we say that when we're born we have so much of this jing in the savings account or exuberant with it right you look at a little kid and you know you look at you know a five-year-old or a seven-year-old or a ten-year-old and they're playing sports and they're and they're you know doing school and generally they have a lot of energy. So that's sort of the energy savings account and that has to be balanced with what we call our postnatal energy. So once we're born that is kind of up to us right where is the energy coming from and it's basically coming from our food and drink and the air that we breathe right so those are the sources of our postnatal Qi that really rules our daily cycle. So we need to make sure that we're getting enough good quality food to eat and you know enough clean water and enough clean air to breathe hopefully in order to have a good source of prenatal energy. So that's kind of a long answer to your question Kathy of where does that energy come from it comes from the balance of this prenatal and postnatal energy. Right right. So when we look at somebody and they say oh I'm really exhausted. I you know I'm not sleeping well I can't get out of bed in the morning I have no energy and we have to look at them say okay well where is this coming from like is this coming from because like you have bad parents you know who like we're you know alcoholics or drug addicts or whatever right they gave you some like badging you know you got a low savings account you came in with or is this more about your own activities on a daily basis and those are running you down. Right. So number one factor in running down that daily energy is stress. Number one yeah and we know this I mean we might want to pretend that we don't know what we want to look for like other reasons you know well maybe it's you know I didn't as a bad you know the mattress was too hard or you know whatever it is but it's not about that it's actually about the quality of our daily life and how stressful we it is and and so stress we can be talking about of course major traumas like you know I just found out that my husband's having an affair for five years right and we're gonna force now so that is major stress trauma the body immediately goes into sympathetic nervous system mode stress mode cannot function cannot get no healing takes place it kind of goes into freeze mode and so this whole business of like you know postnatal she and how much energy do we have on a daily basis those totally out the window and basically we're in the bank account with drawing huge sums of money to get through our live like oh we need a hundred thousand today we need a hundred thousand tomorrow it's like that right right so big trauma stress totally depletes our reserves of energy but then we have all of the little stresses that most of us live with on a daily basis you know don't have to be the big trauma see me little trauma so the little traumas are like you know whatever you know all the bank accounts running low or the furnace broke or you know I don't get to take a vacation this year because of you know COVID or you know whatever that is right so then those little traumas are also a factor in kind of slowly running down the body right right um and then what happens is the person says you know I feel exhausted I have no energy I'm not sleeping well my body is out of balance so then we really have to look at in part resetting the nervous system okay because the nervous system that's dealing with this with these traumas many traumas and and maxi traumas and of course this is where something like the vagal nerve comes in right that is really you know leaping into being able to help reset the the nervous system yeah the other thing that happens with a lot of trauma and stress is that we become dehydrated so it not only causes our energy system to run low but it also causes the water system in our body to run low we don't feel juicy inside anymore we feel dehydrated and so then we have things like you know aching joints pain pain is mostly it's chised agnation and also it's dehydration in the body it's an area that where there just isn't good energy flow and there isn't good liquid flow in that area so everything gets inflamed it gets it gets stagnated it gets you know hot and dry and so then we have you know a pain you know anywhere in the body you know and like that so yeah so for daily life we have to look at our stress levels and we have to understand that stress takes a big toll on the body according to Chinese medicine right so I think you know and I want to I want to have you explore two things around this a little bit more because what struck me as you were talking about the kind of the idea of the bank account and our job of you know putting somebody in right that we can spend that so we're not constantly you know dipping into our trust fund so to speak right so it feels like that we have a possibility of intervention on our own behalf just you know kind of replenishing the bank account every day and I'm guessing you know good food good water good air as you were talking about could you expand on what that might look like for someone that's really kind of interested in and making sure they're putting deposits in regularly yeah yeah great question you know and it's it's true I wake up in the morning and I'm like okay what are we going to put in the bank account today you know even it'll be a busy day it's like aware you know of what is good to write right right yeah so as you said Kathy you know basics are important right so if we're eating all our meals out if we're eating fast food if we're drinking you know Coca-Cola's or you know too much alcohol you know if we're doing things before living in a really polluted area or we have a bad water supply all of these things are going to contribute to the pleating the bank account right because the body is constantly having to compensate for this other stuff that's going on you know and to get this sort of pureging energy in the body to support bad lifestyle practices and so we don't want to do that we want to be able to look at the basics in our lives to make sure it doesn't mean we have to be perfect nobody is perfect we all have you know times where you know we're traveling and you know we're not eating well or we're you know indulging or having an extra glass of wine it's fine there's no problem it's just that it can't be a daily thing because if it's a daily thing it starts running the body down then of course we have to look at what they call in Chinese medicine the energetic practices that we plentifulging okay so we know what these are this is a this is a familiar list yeah so number one is meditation or meditation type techniques right because what happens as you know is immediately the body shifts into parasympathetic nervous system mode you know a state of higher consciousness and in that mode the body can begin to repair itself so we see that whole mind body relationship and all those sort of feel good you know hormones and and the important you know brain body connection kicking in to begin to repair and replenish what was lost in the body you know i'm often asked well you know what kind what type of meditation it'd be anything right if you have you know a mindfulness practice that's great if you have a you know a some other kind of Buddhist practice that's great if your practice is to say the rosary you know you're a Catholic that's fantastic if your practice is to do Tai Chi or Chi Kong you know to just slow down those Chinese energetic exercises wonderful if it's a yoga practice which really helps to you know create balance in in this way in the mind body relationship great so it's any kind of practice that takes you out of your kind of daily kind of just mind, frequency, and just allows you to relax and to reboot and regenerate. So that's very important. And then along with that, we have things like time and nature. Just walking in nature will immediately reset the nervous system. It's a combination of really being out in those five elements and soaking up the sun, the air, the water components, the trees, flowers, all of that. But it's also the walking gate because the walking gate is a form of exercise that triggers like a whole cascade of feel good chemicals in the brain. We've been doing it for tens of thousands of years. And so when we start with that, then the brain in the body say, oh, yeah, I know that. Okay. Now we know what to do. And so I think it's really about slowing down the body, interacting with nature. And if you can combine that with an energetic exercise, wonderful. Exactly. So I think that we can't talk about this without saying, okay, Janet. So we have to talk about the whole idea of acupuncture and acupressure points. And I think I'm aware that there are some combinations, let me just say for lack of correct terminology perhaps, of things that are more focused on acupuncture, meridians and acupressure points. Are there things that we could be doing for again, for ourselves to kind of reset our nervous system that are there things along those lines that we could also be doing in addition to all of the basics and moving and being in nature and having a tentative, the template of practice of some kind? Most definitely. And you know, this has been one of my, you know, just basic, you know, efforts, you know, for the last probably 10 years. It's just really putting out there like how can we use Chinese medicine our daily lives? Like, you know, most people can't go see the acupuncture. It's definitely a part of our culture. So what can we do? I mean, we have these bodies and we have these acupuncture points on the bodies. So how can we work with them? Well, the answer is that we can work with them. The ancient Taoist did not believe in meddling because they thought that putting a needle into the body was very shocking to the body, you know, like you put a needle in and the body is like, what's that? You know, this is a whole interference in this, in this acupuncture point. We have to like bring forces in to like deal with this kind of, you know, invasion. So, you know, you do not have to put a needle in the body to work with acupuncture points. And that is something that, you know, I've known for many, many years and I've really tried to work with. And, you know, so designing some resets for the body that people can work with to balance the system, I think is important, you know. So I've tried to do that with, of course, we have a great one for the nervous system. And do you want me to tell you about the nervous system? That would be great. Yeah. Yeah, let's do it. The reason why I really love this reset is because of the three points involved. Like these three points have such an amazing synergistic relationship with one another. So the first point is on the upper part of the body. Some of you might know this large intestine 11. It's in the, it's in the crook of the elbow, right? So if you bend your elbow at the crease, it's like right there. It's really easy to find. And that point is kind of the main anti inflammatory point in the body. But it does so many other things. And one of the things that it does is it, it cools and calms the body and reduces what we call this excess, young, incituation, right? So a lot of times, you know, where our brain is racing, like we can literally feel it, like whirling around. And you know, sometimes people get headaches or they feel like pressure in their head or they feel like they have too many thoughts. So that's an excess, young condition affecting the brain. Okay. So what do we, what do we quickly calm that? So one of the points that's great is this large intestine 11, the first of the three points in the, what we call the nervous system reset, because it, because the large intestine meridian goes up to the brain, connects to a bunch of other meridians and says, okay, let's cool it guys. Let's just cool it. Let's calm everything down there. Let's reduce the activity and the excess condition. So that's number one, right? So we want to invoke that. Yeah. Yeah. So we have a great point. That's in a kind of a weird place, but it's easy to find. So if you're on your left ankle and you're on the outside, that bump, we call the external meliolis. Right. And we come right below that bump, like the tip of the bump, we come straight down kind of towards the heel. There's an opening there. And that is, it's got a long name, right? You be 62, you're an area in bladder 62. You think 62, many points are on that meridian, you know, actually 67. And there's a lot, but we only have to zoom in to that one point. So all of the points on the outside of the feet connect directly to the brain in Chinese medicine. It's really hard for people to understand that like, heck, why are we down there when we're trying to, you know, calm up here? But it's because in Chinese medicine, opposite sides, opposite ends of the body are connected, right? So you want to treat the brain and the head and the nervous system connections. We actually often go to the feet. So, so your bladder 62 is an amazing point. It goes, the meridian goes straight up the sides of the legs, go straight up, goes right into the brain. There are many, many points, many connections in the brain. And it immediately comes everything down. It not only calms things down, but it can also treat things like epilepsy. It's a frendia, attention deficit disorder. So you know, all of these different kind of brain related issues have been well researched. And so we know that this point can really help to address these imbalances. So that's the second point in the nervous system. And then the third point on the other side, right, ankle, and basically we come down to the inside ankle bone this time, right? So you be 62 is the outside ankle bone, but right leg spleen six is the inside ankle bone. And we put our index finger, right, on the inside ankle bone with our other fingers kind of going up the ankle. And we go right behind the bone there. It's four fingers are three inches behind the bone. A lot of times we call it the women's point because this point can sure be sore on women. It's a big point for reproductive system health and to really balance kind of blood and urine energies in the body. But the thing that's great about this point is it's called three in crossing. And so it hits three different organ systems. It even the organ system, the spleen organ system and the liver organ system. All of them have a role in stress and in working with the nervous system. So I love this point combination. It works amazing. Well, I've just heard so many great stories from folks that have used it about, I was just so stressed out, I was so upset and then I just did, you can touch the points, you can just tap on them. And again, don't worry if you don't have exact exact, it's fine. We're not putting a needle in here. So with a needle, you have to have great precision. But when you're just using them energetically, you just give a tap to the whole area here. You give a tap to the whole area below your outside ankle bone on your left side, good tap there. And you give a tap to the inside part that's about four fingers of three inches up on the other side, the right leg inside. And you give a good tap to the whole area. And this is invoking the point. The points are listening, right? They're like, okay, we are here. And immediately this synergy between these three points is going to immediately help to get the body into parasympathetic mode and do something very valuable according to Chinese medicine, which is circulate the Chi in the 12 meridians. That's the whole point, right? Is everything moving through the meridians? That's great. Yeah. And I'm kind of guessing from, I mean, I was doing this for myself as we were, as you were talking about the points. And it doesn't take very long. It doesn't feel like. I mean, these days we have to do simple, right? Because we don't, yeah. Everybody's rushing around. They can't be doing, you know, even, you know, doing something that takes 10 or 15 minutes can be a long time. So this has to be done really, really quickly. And this can really be done in just a couple of minutes. Right. And it works very, very well. For extra emphasis, we do it three times. Okay. Okay. Super stressful day, then, you know, invoke the points first, you know, take a couple of breaths, focus, then do it a second time, take a couple of breaths, focus on the points, and on, you know, this sort of mini explanation and then. do it a third time and believe me the body will get the message. You will feel a shift right away. - That's great, excellent. Well, this has been great, Janet. I so appreciate you spending some time with us today and going through all of this. And it's just been fascinating, I think, to look at these really ancient systems that have been around for such a long time and have been so valuable and continue to be valuable and play, I think a really important role in our healthcare today. So it's been great. - Great, thank you so much, Kathy, for inviting me. I enjoyed talking to you and we'll see you soon. - Great, excellent, thanks, Janet. - Thank you. - All things Vegas is brought to you by Western Montana Area Health Education Center, working to recruit, train, and retain healthcare professionals. And in partnership with the Red Willow Learning Center, working to make resilient skills available to everyone. If you have an idea for a podcast topic or are interested in sponsoring an episode, please contact Robin Moky at [email protected]. If you didn't catch that, check the program notes. Thanks so much for joining us.