Episode 21: Your Chocolate isn't Chocolate and is AI Coming for our Jobs?

[Music] I'm warm today. I love how we update everyone on the temperature of the room as soon as we start. I tend to do that on Instagram, on my story. You do. I only get one. The weather this morning. I just feel like people need to know what it's like in Yorkshire. I think people like to know it's a. Do you know what's really interesting? Sorry, got to go off into tangent in the first ten seconds. With that. Obviously on YouTube, I'll show Mugs breading, whatever it will be. And I never realised that people were so interested in whether or not you could get on fields. Whether you could travel. So like this people from Lancashire, like on, say Blackpool, that kind of way, that they are literally like Tom Pem, really very wet in winter. And they were like, "I can't believe you're still travelling." It is interesting that people are interested in what we're doing. They are genuinely interested in what we're doing. I think YouTube has a place. For weather updates. It's like that north Yorkshire weather updates. It's not about weather updates. Well, I can tell you the weather in Cumbria is absolutely grim. It's miserable. It has been actually for the last couple of weeks. It's been pretty horrendous. But before we go off on too much of a tangent Charlotte, a quick couple of things to mention and the first one being, we are at DairyTech on Wednesday the 4th of February at 12.30pm. Well, kind of hosting a live podcast. It's a bit of a new thing for us. All about, well, as the name DairyTech suggests, some of the new tech, the new advancements out there for dairy farmers. So, a few different suppliers on board with that. So, come and join us. Half the interviewings. Some pros, won't we? Yes, yeah, people who know their stuff. I'm excited to do something. Honestly, I never, the first couple of years I went to DairyTech. I didn't have dairy cows. So, I didn't really get it. We had a research, or were you? Yeah, a bit of, but I was working as well. And I was sort of researching. I was sat on a panel. First year, I went, I think I went for fun. But yeah, it was, it was kind of all, I'm going to say, above me a little bit. A bit beyond me. The robots hadn't gone in. We didn't really understand what I was doing. I really was very much, I didn't understand. Yes. And now I go, oh god, I'm friends with all the reps. They're all on the yards. And we buy half the products. And it is interesting. Like we were just talking about borehole waterway. Yes, yeah. We've got a borehole, obviously. And we were talking about different UV lights. And whether or not that would increase or decrease your cell counts in your cows. It's just such a niche conversation, isn't it? Well, it really is. It seems like we're now doing a massive plug for dairy tech. But it's really good to actually go and chat to people in person and say, this is what we're seeing on the farm. And then you build up that relationship. The next thing, you know, it's a new supplier. They are coming out to the farm. And you've changed something. You've advanced something. And it's better around cows, bottom line, whatever. So you can really learn a lot from. And they hand out the gold cup as well at dairy tech. Oh yeah, of course. Yeah, they did. That's like, you know, the top, the gold standard. It will never be me. Speaking of events, we were at Lama. A couple of weeks ago now. Yeah, I was going to say it was a week and a bit, wasn't it? Yeah. Somebody said that they thought it was quiet. But I actually thought it was really quite busy. But I mean, we were here there and everywhere, weren't we? I wonder what visitor numbers were. Yeah, I haven't seen, actually. But one panel in particular, we did want to. Get fully into the episode. There was an interesting panel that we were part of in terms of how it was received on social media. It wasn't it, Charlotte? Very interesting, because I've never. I've never experienced it. As a staunch person, if anyone ever mentions women in farming, I'm like, "Woo, women in farming, yes, we're strong, we're bad." You know, don't dismiss those kind of things. I've never been a fan of catawalling or simpering women who want to be seen for being just a woman. In fact, that's my. I hate that, actually. As an absolute passion, I hate the whole, you know, "Give me credit because I'm a woman. It just can't stand it." Give me credit because I've done a good job. Well, yeah, give me credit because you've done a good job. You're doing a good job regardless of who it is. If someone else can do a job better than me, if someone else would do a job for Roy better than me with no pay and, you know, the abuse that I was standing at. Free, feel free. But no. So, yeah, I've always been. I've been vocally, sort of, against the women in farming movement, being pathetic and needy. I've always, like, strong women in farming that don't need to be, you know, say that they're a woman. Kind of thing. Anyway, this common section pretty much humbled me. Well, it was straight away. To set the scene, it was a farmer's guardian panel hosted by Emily Ashworth, a really brilliant, good friend of ours. And then myself, Charlotte, and Harriet, too, you'll know of Clarkson's farm. And you're right, the comments were so orientated two hours. No, two. You're not. Well, I can't really explain. They were just a road to trace. Yeah, in general. And it was something that we have not experienced for now. Now, if anyone didn't want to watch something we were on, they tend to just scroll by or not notice us. Yes. I think because the girl's beautiful young and blonde, if I'm honest. And I would say there's a lot of jealousy towards Harriet because she has found herself in this amazing position of being on Clarkson's farm, which obviously catapults you into the public eye. It gives you a platform on all sorts of things, doesn't it? She's not stupid. She's definitely not stupid. So the way that people. The way that people look at her, because we say, "I, we haven't had it." But obviously, we're not young, blonde and pretty. A whole more than me. Well, I'm older, aren't I? And I immediately jumped in the comments section and got on my high horse and started telling people to f-r, because that's just me, isn't it? But I just thought, "You absolute assholes." And the comments were basically broadly aimed at the word influencer, which, as you know, is my absolute hate. And it brings about so many problems now that I. You know, if we ever do anything again, I think I'm going to ask people to stop using it, because it's just such a. I don't know. Connotations around it. And they're not always positive. And I think, and I've seen loads of comments around it recently. There's a difference between. Now, if you want to do meet and greets and go and meet people who you're inspiring, fine. Absolutely fine. That's brilliant. I wouldn't do that. But we do not command this. A following of people who really want to meet you. I don't command any following of people, to be honest. It's very interesting. People think that you think that you do when you don't. I only really ever get stopped for a photographs when I'm with the boys. So the boys would mean like Joe Seale's, Oli Harrison, or Tom Pemberton, especially if you're with him, because people see you and by association go, "You're Charlotte Ashley, because it's kind of that bit of association with them." On my own, non. And that's exactly the same for me. And I'm completely fine with it. I feel like I am very, very rarely get stopped for things. I don't have a cult for. Now, it's interesting. Sam Schup, for instance, has a bit of a cult following. Yes. I have noticed. And that's so good for her. Yes. But it's a different thing. Also, it's not as glamorous and whatever to sit on a panel talking about the impact of inheritance tax or what technological innovations you're using to. Yes, you want to go, isn't it?. that's where you want to go, isn't it?. to then, you know. So I just think we're on a no less or more valuable route as such. I think we're just on a different route in that we probably want to talk about stuff. And be asked to go on panels, and be asked to be a trusted voice, or a sharing your experience or your thoughts. And do you think it's a path that you get presented and you make a conscious choice? Because I think I did. Now they're made that conscious choice, I think. That's a really good point. And I struggled with it. And I think I definitely made the choice, whether I knew the repercussions of the "you can either go more influencer, more. " And this is in no derogatory way, more kind of glamorous, more kind of chatting with people who really enjoy following you versus being a speaker. I don't think I need a reputient. You are a reputient, though. Well, and I enjoy it. I enjoy it. You are not an influencer. You are a speaker who stands up in front of rooms of people after dinner speaking. You will deliver something on a par with Victoria Atkins. Oh, well, that is a compliment. But honestly, I don't think you even. I think it is an absolute insult to put you in an influencer bracket with such. What's the word? Not a brain, a bloody caliber of whatever. Do you know what I mean? I just think it is damn right insulting to call you an influencer. I really do. Now me, I am. I like the word "YouTuber." I can take that. Yeah, yeah. Because it does what it says on the tin. And there's no inherent, immediate, negative perception of being a YouTuber. No, there isn't. But being an influencer, there. I think YouTube stands slightly separate to social media, to Instagram or to TikTok. It does. It's long-form content, different people view it. It's YouTube's sort of like a TV channel. Yes. Yeah, yeah. This is a. This is just one of the comments. I'm sure there are more informative speakers that would shed some light on how to navigate farming. Now, we're considering we're both run-pissing farms. - It's quite a fett of. - Different sectors. Having me and Roy just set up a dairy farm and plowed all of our. everything blood-swet tears, life earnings into it. I'm not quite sure who you would find that would be a better speaker. - Whatever your name is. - It's then. And then obviously Charlotte jumped in the comments section, probably went a bit far. - Do you want to read my reply? - No, well, that's somebody said. Look out for the big rush for the videos to be uploaded onto social media and you replied, "Don't worry, the Wi-Fi's great, it won't be hard." I hadn't seen that one, you were really exiled there. I just was cross. I don't think the comments were aimed at us. These shows are platforms for so-called farming influencers as opposed to a machinery show which they once were. Also, I know we hate the word influencer, but if influencers get people to these shows, who are we to criticise? - I just don't get why it matters. - No. - I don't know why it matters. - But they're. Out of all 41,000 people that entered Lama to be reduced to a number of. I mean, let's say we are in the bracket of influencers and people like us are in the bracket. 30 people at most? - Yes. - Between all the other influencers. - And basically, we're occupying so much time. - The fake tractor guy who does porn in his tractor. Let's include all of these people from different. And then speakers. - Yeah. - 30, 40 people. So you've reduced 41,000 people and all of the 600 plus stands, salesmen, machinery, kit to 40 people. - It's actually. God, we must be making waves in farming. - If you know, we're all people out. - But you know what all this says. If you're not hated, you're not rated. Can I just do a quick. Before we actually get into the episode, sorry, we're out. - God, I'm sorry, we do this every time. - I'll have 15 minutes in already. - Right. We'll crack on. But a shout out for the people in the comments who then just waded in, changed the narrative around it all. And I was like, "Oh, well, it's fine. It's okay." And we're not phased by it. But you sometimes think, "God, we spend a lot of time doing this for sometimes no gain other than to try and help the industry." And anyway, I like this one. Maybe a panel made up of all the insecure men in the comments section would be better. - I think I mentioned penis sizes at some point in real life myself. - They have a lot to say. - I can't help it. - You'll never change me. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Nick. I'm sorry. - Well, this is. Sorry, I'm going into a reply. There's nothing somebody replied to her. Nothing insecure about it. What's so great about women attention seeking on social media and dancing around that little school kids for likes? - I have never danced! - Hey, Mish. - I can't dance, hey, Mish. - Look through my social media. You won't see any dancing. - But the point being, I think, it wasn't aimed at us. - Yeah. - Yeah. The fact that we. It's the Clarkson's farm effect. And that poor girl, she has been thrown literally into a joyful role of, you know, whatever you want to aside person on Clarkson's farm. - Yes, yes. - And she's coped with it remarkably well. She comes across exceptionally well on television. I enjoyed her a lot. - I thought. - I think we're in across really knowledgeable. - She did come across knowledgeable. And actually, she's witty. She's funny. She's nice. She's kind. She's not up herself at all. She is everything you would actually expect her to be. She's a nice girl. And I just think, like I said to her about the comments, because she'd read them, but not really, she hadn't waded in like I had. Which poor girl. - Where someone should have stopped me. What am I going to say? You know Roy should have taken my phone off me. - Yeah. - Yeah, she didn't deserve. She doesn't deserve any hate, but she said it's because I'm blonde. - I said surely not. That is not how shallow people are. - I think it is. I think it is. It's quite something. - She's more concerned with the makeup and things. And I'm like, surely that is not a concern of anybody in the world how much makeup someone wears. - I thought I'm her. - Are we face value that much? - Yeah. - Are these people really that shallow? - Yeah. And is that where we are? You know, I kind of think, "Oh, the industry's not that sexist. I don't really see it that much." - I mean, do you remember Abbey K. writing an article for "Fam is Weekly?" And I was like, "You're wrong. This doesn't happen." Sorry, Abbey. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Take some of that back. - Yeah, no, I do. I seriously do. It is just who you are. - Is it the, I think I fit into an older category. Like I fit into sort of like the mum category. - And having had children as well, it does change the tone of - Yeah, I'm not trying to be young, hot and sexy at all. Like I'm not really at all. - Right. - Yeah, should we get into it? Yeah. - Let's get into it. - To women in farming that don't know what they're talking about. - Yeah, sorry if we're going to chat absolute shit on this and we don't know anything. Sorry. - The end of food as we know it. - Do you think that was a bit too dramatic? - No, I quite like it. I think we should leave that as the actual title. - Right, I'm going to play a video. - I've got some news for you. Two of the most iconic chocolate biscuits in the UK are no longer chocolate. Now, I was brought up on these guys and had no idea that one day they would no longer be able to be called chocolate because the amount of chocolate in them was so small they now have to be called chocolate flavoured biscuits. So as the percentage has gone less than 20%, we are seeing a real difference in these products and it isn't. - So I'll stop it there because he just go on to explain a bit more. The person who's speaking is Tim Specter. He is a British scientist and, fun fact, he is one of the world's most world's top 100 most cited scientists. So basically he's a big deal. - He's a clever guy. - Now, we wanted to talk about this. I guess because it feeds into a conversation that we've touched on before, particularly when it comes to labelling for consumers. But I think it's also more widely. We're very looking to talk about how lucky we are to pretty much rely solely on whole food, fresh food, home-produced food. We would get a lamb back for the freezer, you'd get your pigs back for the freezer. So we're in this privileged position of eating the nutritious food. Actually, are the floodgates about to open on food as we know it? And it is going to be so full of stuff. - Emulsifiers. - That we're going, well, you look at the studies. - We're all going to be unhealthy early deaths. - What is an SPF? No, what is it? - U-P-F. U-P-F. - Oh, that's an SPF. - We probably all should be putting on our SPF though, Charlotte. - Can I on your sunscreen? - So this chap as well also has just started a programme called What Not to Eat. It's on Channel 4. No, it's just started in the last few weeks and I haven't watched it. But my dad started watching. He said, "I couldn't watch it because basically it was a couple of overweight people." He didn't say it in these words. This is me. Incorrectly quoting him. Basically, some people who were overweight and they went through their cupboards and they were like, "Oh, well, we didn't know that basically that would make us fat." And it's like, "There's no fruit, there's no vegetables, it's all processed." "Everything is in packaging, bit after bit after bit." And it's like, "What do you expect?" I think we are incredibly naive in what the UK eats. Now, I know we like to think we are the norm or we're really not. We, the majority of all our meat apart from chicken is from the farm. - Yeah. - Really? And if we only have pigs in the freezer, we only eat pork. - Yes. - Do you know what I mean? If we're about to butcher a cow, we're going to be eating beef for you. That's how it works here. We're very meat and two veggie kind of people, very anti-processed for the children. I can't honestly speak for Anna, she's a schoolboy, I don't know what she's busy using. But yeah, it is an interesting thing to think that other people just eat processed food. - How? - Well, you think, imagine back in the day when a shop, you went into a shop and there was probably some fruit and veg, some meat, well, you'd go into the butchers for you meat, there'd be some milk, and there'd be, you know, your staples of maybe flour and things like that. That would be it. The choice that would be there in a shop would be so minimal because you would be creating the meal yourself. Now, I think we've had such a change in people's attitudes. And actually, you don't have the traditional stay at home mum anymore, for example, who, it's time, isn't it, in knowledge about cooking, I think. - A lot of time and space. - Yeah, absolutely. - Absolutely. - Time and space. I mean, if you're getting in from work at seven o'clock at night and you've been on the train for an hour and a half, the last thing you want to do is start peeling potatoes to make chips. - Yes. - Honestly, you don't, you just want to go in the freezer, you grab a bag of chips and you throw them in the oven or they air fryer or whatever, whereas I have the luxury of coming in at three o'clock because I am at home. - Yes. - And you can put something in the slow cooker or in the oven. - Yeah, or Roy, very much. Yeah, Roy, I've, Anna broke this slow cooker dish. - Oh. - I know a big deal, big deal, big deal. - She came out yesterday and said, "I'm so sorry." And I was like, "I'm moving some sheep out of time anywhere, I came in." So what did you want? And she tied it all the kitchen and I was like, "This is unusual." - Oh, dear. - "This is unusual. Why are you tiding up?" I've broken the slow cooker dish. I was like, "Oh, God. How did you manage that?" - Well, it was in slow cooker and it was kind of in a cupboard, but you know what they're like, the kind of. - Oh, yes. -. tockly. Yes. Anyway, it's fine. It's fine. We need a new one anyway. So another reason we've got to keep the cuckaran that we can't afford to run. (laughs) Loved to know how much a day it costs. No, I've got a smart meter. Don't do it. I might do it. To earn everything off and say how much it's costing to run. Oh, to be fair, then you could switch one thing on at once. Because I could just not tell you how much they cost to run. They are serious. They are a train. Yeah, they are. But it's nice to have one, isn't it? Not if you're Ryan, you're hyperventilating in the kitchen because it's too costly to run and too hot. And he's going to have to take his coat off and open the door and stand by the window and sweat. Because it's just so hot in here, you're going to have to turn it off. If anybody's tested out their smart meter, can you tell us what we should be switching off, please? I don't know, because your kettle makes it go red. When you put the kettle on, they're like-- Well, to be fair, if we didn't have a kettle, we could use-- We could just boil up a can on the air. We do have-- Do you have an aga kettle? Yeah. Charlotte. Lazy. We have a kettle. I want to bring this back to the packaging, because we've talked before about do consumers look for the British flag, for example. Now, I actually-- I was in Morrison's. I'm going to name in shame. I'm sure all of the supermarkets are very similar when it comes to sugar. Please don't see us. Please, it's so. So Morrison's was supplying sugar. And there was a British flag. In fact, I took a picture of it because-- Oh, were you in sentence? Couldn't quite believe it. I wonder how-- I just searched for sugar, do you think it'll come up? I can't believe you phone does that. You type in on your photos. Rebecca. Rebecca's face comes up. It's amazing, isn't it? Or sugar. A bag of sugar comes up. Here we go, right. So-- Tate and-- Tate and Lyle. Pure cane caster sugar, OK? Now, there's-- you'll be able to see this. There's a very prominent British flag there. And it says, "Made in the UK since 1878." So you think, fine, grab that. It's pure cane sugar. We don't grow sugar cane in this country. So I don't quite-- you know, we grow sugarbeats. That's naughty. But obviously, what they're doing is bringing in the sugar and processing in here. Yes. And then refining it or doing whatever here. So they can say that that actual bag of sugar was made in the UK. I just find it deceptive. It is. It's very deceptive. It's like the whole fake farm-named thing, isn't it? That forgets my goat. And I think with the chocolate side of things-- and I know we don't grow cocoa in this country. So it's-- I know it's not an example. No, it's just an honesty thing, isn't it? Yeah. It's a deception, I think. Have you seen the-- there was a video the other day of it was possibly even that one of them, is this what you're-- this is what you're snacking on? And it was them being made. But like properly being made, as in the emulsifiers going in, the sugar going in, the this going in, the coloring going in. Yes. It was basically just a powder mashed up with whatever water. And then it came out as this gloop and you're eating it. And this is what you call a chocolate. And I'm like-- It's unbelievable. Well, am I still going to eat it? Yes. Yeah. Am I still going to buy it? Yes. We actually-- I did ask Instagram-- my Instagram for some comments on this. And I-- you see if I can find the screenshots. Because somebody commented pretty much along those lines and they said, sorry, just scrolling through the lamb pictures, apologies, apologies. Rebecca's lambing. Yes. She shouldn't be here. But I had Nora virus. Yeah. The other day. Shall I? There's been a bit of a write-off. I've been very, very unwell. And that's the first time in about 16 years I've been-- To actually go to bed. I went to bed for two days. I did not get up. It was very poorly. Anna brought it back. Anna brought it back from a ski trip that she didn't go on. Children. I know. And they outed themselves by sending an email and saying, get the children on the ski trip have come down with Nora virus. If they've got at school, they'll be isolated at school. Otherwise, they'll be sent home. And she came home in a day later. I feel a little bit unwell. I was like, oh, it's all right. Go to bed. Then she was chuking up. And I was like, oh, no. Oh, no. And I was like, we had Rose dad's funeral the day after. And I was like, you are banned from her. Get in your room. And normally, I would be nice getting your room and do not leave. Do not leave your room. You cannot. You've got a day to be-- Yes. --to stay. Well, you stay in your room and don't move. And she then-- We made to the funeral, which was fine. Everyone was well. And she'd made Rufus empty her sick bowl. And then made Himmiel. And then he made Royale. And then Roy made Meel. You were the last man standing. I was definitely not standing. I've never been so unwell. Well, it does. It just absolutely right you off. I've never not done farm work. I've never not been out. And you know, I mean-- I'm just for a few cars or stuff. We were sending a load of-- --beasts to the auction. And the poor guy who came to load them practically had to load him himself, God bless him. He was just-- we were a write-off. Really? Yeah, it was so bad. So we rearranged recording, basically, because I didn't want to give it Rebecca. This is the thing about farming though. There was no one else to help. There was no one. Yeah. And you couldn't say, come and help me, because then you were at risk of making someone in it. I just want to-- when you're saying, you're still going to buy chocolate. I am. I'm going to buy it all and the cheaper the better. So this one. I am the problem. Yeah. Honestly-- so this is having seen the video that I shared. Honestly, I reckon my purchasing habits will remain similar. This has been going on for a long time with things being referred to as ex-flavored. It's a marketing issue. I'm still going to aim for eating the best quality things I can reasonably afford, whilst occasionally eating a sharing bar of fruit and nut in my polaris, because I'm having a fucking shite day. Sorry, bleak. I'm not losing or gaining anything if Nestle and Trading Standards want to take each other to court. Fuck the lot of them. I'm not losing. We're really in and leaving it all in. I'm not eating a bag of minstrels. I'm watching this just to think, oh shit, I thought they were full of antioxidants and protein. [LAUGHS] No, you're right. What are we eating the junk food for? Because it's junk. We knew it was. It's called junk food. I'm going to read out a few more comments on this. You want to be healthy, eat an apple. Completely shocking. I have both in my cupboard, but won't be buying again. It definitely puts me off, but we need an alternative that we know is OK, disgraceful, to be honest. It's everywhere. My stir for I beef the other day was only 98% beef. What? I don't get it. I'm amazed that people can walk down supermarkets and not realise the amount of health, conflicting ingredients that are contained in the food that they're buying. It's quite easy to look at an ingredient list and see that UPF products are full of things, which are the bodies, which the body struggles to process. They should at least print the ingredients list in large letters. Profits above health, poor health equals profit for big farmer, the circle of money. Average shopper only reads the price ticket in supermarkets. I do. Well, that's quite a lot of responses to it. I'm Roy reads the price ticket, and only buys reduced items. I just buy anything fancy. I go, oh, I fancy. I go to sweet aisle and I'll get my finger and go, [HUMMING] That'll do. And I'll take that. Jelly tots, whatever it might be. Jelly babies who went through thing, wine gums. I'm really into M&Ms with the salted caramel centres. Oh, I am. Yeah. I bet they've not even got peanuts in anymore. Well, you will be pleased to know that if you're eating proper cocoa chocolate, there's some health benefits to it, Charlotte. I can't pronounce these words. Flavanoles. Polafinos. Which improve blood flow by increasing nitric oxide. Support heart health, protect the brain, and even act as fuel for beneficial gut mites. Well, you know when you buy cocoa. Coco, cocoa. Yes. Coco, cocoa. Coco, that's probably-- Is it like a thing? No, it's not by cocaine. You know, like a box of a thing of cocoa that you can buy. Yes. Coco. Do you mean cocoa? Coco. Coco. What? Like chocolate. Like cocoa powder, do you mean? Yes. Yes. For cooking with. Yes, yeah, yeah. When you buy that, that is-- Right, so that is chocolate. Charlotte, who knows? I don't know at this stage. No, because actually, let's be perfect. It doesn't taste like chocolate. Yeah. I'll take the cheap stuff with all the UPS thing. Give me the sweets. Yeah, I think you need like the 80% cocoa solids, or let's say you need the one on which actually says-- Because I had a cooking one once, and I ran out of hot chocolate and tried to make hot chocolate with it. It was diet. It was a worse hot chocolate I'd never had. I made chocolate brownie the other day, and I didn't have any of the cocoa powder, which we assume is cocoa, but we don't know if it is or not, but who knows. Well, I can't say this. Anyway, I used-- And this will be full of shine. Aldi's chocolate-flavored, like, hallix oval teen stuff. Oh, I bet that's good. Anyway, so I made my chocolate brownie with it. Unreal. I'll make you one. That's so good. It was only by accident. It was so good. And I did put a bit of dark chocolate in it, because I thought this is going to be aggressively sweet, which it was. That's so cool. Right up your street. I'll make you one. One question I do have is-- so quoted in a BBC article by Confectionary Historian, Alex Hutchinson. Oh, well, he's going to be in favor of proper chocolate, isn't he? Anyway, during my lifetime, the cost of cocoa has stayed around. I'll convert it to pounds. 2,600 pounds a ton. Last year, it's sold to 8 1/2,000 pounds a ton. So, there's this massive. cost to chocolate, it's, you know, what you can buy it for is increasing massively. They're saying it's whether it's drought, splur-blur. What I want to compare this to is this year in British farming, we have had a severe drought. Yeah, why is our price not going up? This is exactly it. Now, is it just because cocoa can only be grown in a certain climate, a lot, kind of smaller geographical areas? Well, companies are finding a way around it. So the price has gone up, but no one's buying it because it's expensive. Yes. So they're just going round it. Absolutely. Can you make, so you wait? So you, yeah, like gluten free bread's minging. Oh, it's like a brick. My mom's gone gluten free. It's awful. I feel so sorry. My dad's seeing it, I can, it's, it's, it's, it's so sorry. horrendous. You do, it's amazing though. I tell you what, I've, have I said this before, gluten free Yorks puddings, make them with corn flour, you will never go back to making them with normal flour, genuinely, absolutely, absolutely, absolutely amazing. I'm kind of conscious Charlotte about how they're okay. Oh, yeah. We know we're okay. We're doing good. I have, I have got a few more questions. Okay, so when they're not you using cocoa, they are going to be using substitutes like palm oil. Now, the reason again, to bring this back to British farming, I feel like we are so, or so strictly regulated when it comes to environmental impact. But palm oil, for example, the production of that, there is no concern for the environment. So a little statistic here, the zoological society of London, the amount of land occupied by palm oil plantations has increased almost ninefold over the past 50 years, from 3.3 million hectares in 1970 to 28.7 million hectares in 2020. So these things are completely degrading habitats by diversity, forestry, etc., etc. Yet we are still just for the sake of some fake chocolate, but we are still, you know, to me, people are selfish, honestly, people are, people don't care. They don't care. It's outside our mind. Yes. The Amazon's not my problem. Well, and should it be? I mean years ago, do you remember all the things have saved the Amazon? Were you a bit young? No, I was young. Now, when I was younger, I seem to remember there being a big like campaign of saying the Amazon, and it was all like, you know, restore the Amazon rainforest, it's, you know, our biggest this, that the other. I've not heard anything about the Amazon for years. Neither have I heard anything about the ozone layer. What happened to that? Did it stitch itself? Has it just gone? Or did it just disappear? It just not exist anymore. Or or did it happen? Did the worst happen already? Is this said that we can't grow chocolate anymore? I do have another video to pay. This one is from Concept Dairy on Facebook. And this is talking about ready-made pastry. Now Mary Berry, absolute queen icon. Absolute. She won't let Roe turn the agar off, would she? Mary Berry would slap him. She would not. She said that like, who do I think I am being like Mary Berry? I have something in common with Mary Berry after I met a beautiful hair. We should all aspire to be like Mary Berry. Did you bring scones today? Yes. Scones and Victoria's bunch, but I absolutely stop it. I cannot claim to have made these. This is all with them. How cute is this? I love this. She does enjoy baking and also we did have so many eggs they just needed using. Where does she find time? I don't actually know. Two o'clock in the morning. Yeah, well, imagine a bake in it two o'clock in the morning. That's her thing. She's a night owl. In the way that I am not a night owl. So anyway, Mary Berry says life's too short to make pastry. But this is this one has dropped. This one has gone far more than I raised it all in everything. This one's supposed to be a dairy bar. I was now. You have no idea where the butter is coming from. Look, at least using butter and this one is supporting Malaysian and Indonesian farmers. They'll bear off by the buttermilk. So we're creating where these are two subtitles on that. It was very quiet. Yes, he didn't have. And Irish. Yes, it wasn't very good quality. Was it? But basically, there's two packets of just roll. I don't want you to come from me, but just roll pastry. One of them is butter and one of them is palm oil. There's a slight color difference on the packaging. So when somebody in the supermarket just goes to grab what they think they usually test. Oh my gosh, should we do a live podcast taste test? Should we go and get some? Yeah, maybe we actually should. We could get some apples. Make an apple pie. Something really easy. Maybe we should. I'll just get a load of mincemeat. Oh my gosh, maybe we should actually do it across a wide, like an actual a few different ones. Do some research, find some. It might be a good idea. Yeah. I mean, we've got all the fancy cookers. Well, if you want us to do that, can put a pinion. A little pinnie. So let's bring this section nearly to a close-in. Do you think we should be worried? Should we be worried about the food that is presented to us that the majority of people are eating the long-term impacts of it? I think knowledge is power. And if people are aware of what they're eating, then fair enough. Now, if it's a sneaky thing by the companies to, you know, slightly make things cheaper and get some crap ingredients in there, no, I don't think it's fair. What people will just, to be honest, 99% of people just won't give a shit. Yeah, they won't. And I think it's really hard because we can always say, well, what can consumers do? Well, yeah, they can be more discerning about reading all the ingredients, reading the labels. But ultimately, I think we have to put more pressure on the manufacturers to be clearer, to not be underhand, to not keep the colours the same. Yes. I think they absolutely have a supermarkets. The supermarkets have the ultimate power. And they don't use it. They use it for all the wrong things. They don't seem to. We should do an episode on supermarkets. Yeah, we should. We'll get cancelled by supermarkets. Fuck up. Let's do that again. Anarchy. Now, let's take a quick break to hear a little more about our headline sponsor, BKT and Kirby Tires. 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So we really are glad to have BKT and Kirby Tires backing the podcast, backing agriculture and helping make sure Charlotte doesn't get her tractor stuck. Right. Let's get back into it. Right, Charlotte, back talking about AI and can we actually escape it? So the telegraph have written an article and to well summarize it in a sentence. It basically said that if you're doing a job like a farmer, you are going to escape the threat of AI taking your job. So Microsoft did a list of jobs that you'll be safe from. They did some, I don't know, score of I think basically if you could type in your work question into their, what's their chapter of BKT? What do they, or co-pilot? Basically, if co-pilot could answer your work question, then you're replaceable. AI is going to take your job. A little of AI to call my car was I. I think it's really difficult and I think we'll probably do a full-on episode on AI more like the dangers and delve into it even more, but more on the job side. I feel like on the surface we are pretty safe. Surely AI cannot replace walking your cows, walking around your sheep, laming a sheep. I think we are very information heavy now, whereas we never used to be. I don't think it can replace menial tasks at all. I really don't. I can see maybe like the milk recording side, that kind of thing can all become sort of any information, anything that's based on a computer can become AI, can't it? Definitely. Or any paperwork will be able. Yeah, I don't think we're going to be all right. Interesting that we had for a future episode on twins at Alice Wilson and Dean Wilson here yesterday and I sort of we had a bit of a chat about being twins. Anyway, Dean is a personal trainer and Manchester and he was telling me AI threatens his job, especially app versions of personal trainer. Yeah, and he said it's a big worry. It's a big story. All you do is you send your, basically, your statistics, what you want to achieve and it'll send you back meal plans, it'll remind you, it'll do everything that a person will do for no money. And even to the stage of, I can imagine it could create what you think is a personal trainer on, you know, some AI generated person who's shouting, go, yeah, now just do this exercise. Like they, some AI generated thing could take your workout from home. No, I can't see an AI generated thing being able to correct your form and stuff like that, but I can see that that's a real concern for people who use apps especially and social media. I mean, if your, if your sole job was social media, I would be worried right now. Because the, the deep fake AI kind of, I know they're using it generally just for porn at the minute, aren't they? It's only going to get more real. Do you think there's a problem in that? Now, I'm not saying, I would say I'm quite savvy in that I see something and I think, well, that's AI. Do you think we have either, maybe, I don't want to stereotype, but perhaps children at one end of the spectrum and then the kind of like grandmas and grandpas who have got a phone in Iran, do you think I would hope the middle tier, you know, 30s type age, you know, all around there. Well, I just had a very big discussion with Oliver Harrison and he'd seen a picture and he said that, that's real. And I said, that's not real, Ollie, that's AI. No, it's not it's real. And I'm like, it's AI. Like honestly, there was a sunset behind this picture. And I was like, it's not real. It isn't real. Anyway, I ran it through an AI checker and it wasn't, it wasn't real. And he was, he needs, what, it's a 40. Gosh, so maybe ages and maybe I'm being stereotypical in that children can't be discerning because they don't really have much experience. The older generation haven't really been on phones as much as perhaps we have. So they wouldn't be discerning. But maybe we're all kind of at risk of, have been taken in by it. But what are people going to do with their time? How are they going to make money? Because not everybody's going to be able to turn into an AI. It's just going to literally turn into an even smaller triangle. And the people that are making these machines, controlling these machines, they're going to get more wealthy. And the rest of the general public that did have a job. Yeah. Well, it's, it's interesting because in their article, it mentioned the rise of, of teenagers applying to ag colleges and etc. Now, whether this is the Clarkson's farm effect or whatever, who knows. But they, they set, so this is to quote the article, the chart rise in teenagers applying to agricultural colleges is not just down to the success of Clarkson's farm. Gen Z is trying to future proof itself by going right back to basics. People will always need to eat long after they have forgotten how to read. I think it's too simplified and too optimistic to think that people are that conscious about the future and thinking that they are. But I do think it's interesting. And that's a general trend. I think I'd be very, very happy for that to happen for people to go back to land based studies, to go and study painting and decorating college, to go and do carpentry, electricians. My, my, my brother is a corgi registered heating and underfloor, a lady hot air ventilation engineer. Yes. And I'm not going to do that. Is it? Well, that's another one of the jobs in the headline was Arufa, for example. And there isn't enough of them around. There isn't enough. Well, I feel like this is such a grandma or mum. We are. We are old now. I think we just have to face it. We are just old. But, you know, if you needed it, now we're probably looking in the sense that we have quite a lot of tools at our disposal from the farm and we're probably a bit more gung-ho to go and try and sort out your pipe work in your house or something. But if you tried to get a plumber, you know, they're not coming out today or tomorrow or the next day, you know, it's that they are in. Maybe they tell us that they're, that they're busy, so that then we all think they're busy and we're like, oh shit, then no wonder they're going to charge us loads of money. Well, I think is, I think all prices will drop. I don't think it'll be quite as well paid as what it is now. It is, yes, it is what you need. It's a necessity, isn't it? But these things, there are so few about that these people do charge. Yes. What they need to. Yeah. That's, but I think if there's more around the prices, we'll go down. Yeah. There's a couple of things that God, the world, will be a better place if there was more plumbers and farmers and decorators and people that work with the hands. Yeah. I just think mental health would improve. Oh, well, get out your bloody bedrooms and open the curtains. Interesting you say about working with your hands because what sort of jobs are safe, ones which require, and the first thing is physical presence and manual dexterity to AI cannot emulate. If you, you know, if you transpose that into farming, a physical presence in your shed to identify, yes, you can have heat detectors and things like that, which suggests, you know, what stage of cow like that coming in season or, like, all the rest of it. Ultimately, will anything ever be able to look at that sheep and think she's been, she was pouring the ground and took herself off to the bottom of the field this morning. Now she's brought herself into the shed. Well, you say that. Because those cow detector tail things, what they call mucol. Yes. And they basically do monitor the tail movement and then they tell you that they're carving. Now, for instance, our carving, our carving, our cow collars, they're on like the lele, like the standard lele thing that comes with them, the transponders and they have heat detection. So when a cow in our shed comes into heat, it automatically sheds her into the back into a separate pen so that when we look at our phone in the morning, it says, this cow's in heat and we ring Rachel and Rachel comes and the cow's stood there waiting for it in a separate pen to everyone else. So really, yeah, we are, I would like to say that farming is utilising AI for its advantages, but not necessarily being overtaken. That manual dexterity though. Well, you say, will the machine AI? I bet we'll get to a stage where some kind of, hold on, we need to. We'll hold on. Yes. I was just about to say we're talking about AI and AI, like AI in terms of artificial intelligence and AI in terms of artificially inseminating cows. Oh, sorry. Yes. We should probably just need to clarify that. Sorry. We have really, really confused probably people who are not. Yes. Who are not. But what, so artificial intelligence could pull together the cow's behaviour to think she's in heat. It does do. But we perhaps still need, oh, we do, whether this will change, we still need the person to command AI artificially inseminate the cow. That's still a process which involves humans. But then you've got genomic testing. So for instance, so two different companies here. So we use, well, wide sails and they supply our semen. So basically to inseminate our cows with and Lizzie comes, Lizzie lives around the corner and she scores our cows. So scoring a cow would be basically look at all its traits and she thinks, you know, that cow has, you know, short, will simplify it. Short legs, a big, or a, you know, she's not got a very big head or whatever, whatever it is. Yes. You know, there's God knows how many traits they use. I can't remember. And she will match a bull that isn't obviously related to that cow. Seem X, who we also used, this is all on sort of, this is on a computer. They don't come out and score the cows. Interesting. So it's, it's one step detached, isn't it? Yeah, I don't trust it. I don't trust it. I don't trust it. I don't like it. I'm like an old woman. Oh, no, I like you, I'd like you to see the cow plays. Well, interestingly, one, one, another thing that I picked up, AI or jobs where you need real world problem solving in unpredictable environments is there more of an unpredictable environment than being on a farm. You know, you're, well, I was going to say animals or children. I was going to say weather, but AI is now starting to predict weather patterns. That weather station that I had used AI to log and track data points of weather to then predict, well, herd watch. And that if you go on herd watch, you can now basically type in like chat GPT at the top of herd watch, any question about your herd. So I could say, like here, for instance, when was the last calf born? I don't even need to say, you know, anything. Yeah. That and then I'll, I'll go and it you, it's AI and it'll go in all of your information. It'll tell you what the last calf was born. So I don't even need to word it in a, you know, well, it's interesting. You say that because somebody, as I said, I did ask on Instagram for people's thoughts and somebody who get loads of comments back on Instagram, I never do. Well, is our audience is a very different, this is what we were talking about at the start, isn't it? Have I curated unintentionally people who are more worthy and would are happy to write sentences and write, it's the valuable audience like we talk about. It's the, I'd rather have a few people that get the crack and want to talk about what we want to talk about than 500 fake Asian man that I've bought. Yes. Honestly, I really would reference back to previous episode on by followers. Yeah. So somebody messaged and I was asking, what, I asked the question, have you ever used AI? The results of that polar interesting, I will share those. And this chat message, get with it or fall behind, such good, labour saving tools. Well, interestingly, I'd never touched AI in my life, had I? I didn't, I'd never been on chat GPT. It was just something I just had never done. Anyway, you have. Yes. Bear in mind. the person who can write the most and the best and rivals, JardgbT, has a used AI. And I was like, what? And you're like, we use it for like a skeleton. Yes. You start with an idea and then you build the meat on the bones kind of thing. Or even, right. This is another thing. So my brain is a kind of tired, lamin-brain plus all the other stuff that we end up doing. So I've got a lamb, which I went out yesterday and I was like, that's not well. So brought it in by the aga, talking a lot about agas today. Where God would pluck her aga. And anyway, I thought that it cost 26 pound a day to run. Anyway, I thought that needs some. Cuc-a-good jacket, but it's a little. Cuc-a-bit too well if you leave it in there. I'll stop it. I've got like five absolutely rock solid black potatoes on the side, like with no inside left. So anyway, I was doing this, basically electrolytes for this lamb. I was going to chew it. And it's actually. It is from the vet, so you can use it for sheep, but it's initially originally made for calves. So the ratios that you'd be making like a liter of this electrolyte, whereas for a tiny lat, I'm two liters to one sash I normally, isn't it? So this is a liquid that you squeeze a little bit of liquid in here. So it gave this conversion rate for. Or I think it was two liters of water and I'm like, I don't need two liters of electrolytes. I need about 200 ml. Anyway, now I know people are going to be listening, being like, you've got a degree and you've got a master's, how can you not work it out? I could not work it out. So my dad was there and he'd got out his pen and paper. So I said, and I said, I'm going to ask Chuck G.P.T. and I better not beat you to it. And I just literally said, the ratio of electrolyte to water is this. I only want 200 ml of water. Can you tell me how much electrolyte is? Well, I wish I'd have utilised that tool the other night. We were talking about chemicals and chemicals for robots and cleaning and stuff. They basically, they activate at different temperatures and for they need circulating for a certain amount of time. So I was comparing basically cars, chemicals and lele chemicals and looking at the activation time of like an alkali chemical. That's what I was looking at. Yes. And whether or not they circulated for the same amount of time. But they gave them in different measurements, if you know what I mean. So like one was mills and one was something, one was ounces. And I was just like, I don't understand what's going on. It was like, God, it was like reading an American recipe about cops. It was ridiculous. So I said to Roy, I was like, I literally wrote it down. I was like, if this equals this and this equals and then you divide half that so then a half the other side. Then I have to divide that by three then divide that. Oh my gosh. It was absolutely unreal. And yeah, we never got to end of it. Well, I wish I'd asked Chuck G.P. T. You should have just done it genuinely. I know, genuinely. One thing I mentioned, we've gone really around the houses, mentioning the next generation wanting to get into farming because they feel like they're future-proofing. I forgot to say this. It made me think about a question that we were asked at Lama on one of the panels. And it was about a young person, not from a farming background, but wanting to get into farming. I do feel like this goes against a lot of obviously what we're trying to prove in that we are trying to inspire people to get into the industry. Run fast and hard. Genuinely, I am surprised that so many people do want to get into farming. The headlines are not positive about the industry. It is under so much pressure. Yes, there's some people who have got into the right thing at the right time or done that. On the whole, a lot of people are struggling. If you're a farm owner and a bill payer, it's hard. Money is hard. Yeah. Working on a farm is fun. Doesn't matter what, I don't deal with any finances because I'm horrendous and a bankrupt does, wouldn't I? But, on the say, it's absolutely ridiculous. Get Chattanoopiti to do it. Not a bloody word. I have a friend who's got an AI accountant. You're joking. No joke. Like literally tells him absolutely everything. Oh my gosh. But to my mind, that would feel like quite a professionalised skilled specific sector. Yeah. How fascinating. Well, it's another world though, isn't it? I know. They've just said what's your accountancy software called? Yeah, literally. Sends all the bill, all the everything. Yeah, it works out tax, works out, you know, your VAT or the rest of it. Yeah. And not simple stuff either, things like working with network, where they keep the VAT and, yeah, it's quite a thing. How interesting. On the converse side though, when it comes to young people, do you think I'm being a bit cynical and actually these young people are exactly the people who can harness AI? They have got enthusiasm. They are willing to take risks. They are willing to invest. I think like that guy says, if you don't get in it, you're going to let love behind. Yeah. It's like years ago, so Rose had had a garage for years. It was a four garage, you know, they fixed cars and sold for it. And when I first moved here, they were still on paper cards. And they were in the process of employing a new lady, a net. And a net was obviously was used to a computer. Yes. It was a big thing for a garage that had never, but like Jennifer, who retired, she's died now, bless her. She could not make the transition to computer. She couldn't, she was tired. She couldn't, she was a car, she was a Q-card woman. Yes, that's what she did. And all she done all her life was work on cards. And this is the thing, if you don't get with it, you're going to get left behind. Yes, absolutely. Well, before we, I'm just trying to see if do you think we can make an episode under an hour. It's rare. I'm very rare considering I last two went to an hour and a half. Oh my God, I know, we just keep chatting. We are 30 in the, did you see? Oh, I don't know if that's any, I don't look to be honest. In the charts. Yes. Oh, how ex. Number 30 in leisure. leisure. leisure. Home and garden leisure, something like that. I don't know. It's hard because it's. And then on Spotify, we're under self-help, I don't know how. How have we done that? How have we managed to be self-help? I'm helping no one. I think we don't we put in what category we are though. But how are we on two different categories? Oh God. Do you know what? Let's just ask chat GPT here. One we finish recording. I. So I asked on Instagram, have you ever used AI? And the options were, nope, too scary, sometimes or often. Do you want to know which one came out on top? Which one? Too scary. 53% of people said it was too scary. 27% said sometimes, and only 19% of people said often. That's crazy. Isn't that unbelievable? I do think we should do more on AI. I really do. There was a professor Jeffrey Hinton. He's described as the godfather of AI. I don't really. But he won a Nobel Prize in physics. But he basically was saying that AI has so much promise, but also there's such a risk to it. Basically, yes, it might help boost productivity, etc, etc. But ultimately misinformation, cybercrime, it kind of being watching you all the time, is really risky. And one thing which did actually freak me out is that, what happens if AI becomes more intelligent than humans? What your idea is. Do you think? Well, no, it's all on inputs, isn't it? I think it's still not working out. I think it's still got so much, I think there's still a lot of learning to do before, because it doesn't fully understand humans yet. Does it? And bits of language. It'll come back with something sometimes, and you think that doesn't make sense, or you've made that up or whatever. No, our free version of chat GPT does that. I think actual proper AI is. More clever than that. I think our proper AI is hidden from us lowly people, to be honest, because we'd be dangerous with it. [LAUGHTER] We'd be really nervous. Like they've also have access to that kind of shit. But 99 amongst on your iTunes. Well, I think some companies have their own internal, like within their business, and AI developed specifically for their company, which I think is then tailored to law, for example, or whatever. But I think you've got 30 seconds. Go on quick. Cut something out. I think we should absolutely explore AI more, so I'd call upon you if you have any thoughts on AI, if you are using it in your farming business, particularly. I think we'll be really interested to hear from it. Yes. But in our usual fashion, if you enjoyed today's episode, if you learned something, if you laughed a bit, please do share an episode with your friend. And yeah, we'll be back in a couple of weeks. Bye, then. The presents are not calibrated. Please calibrate before use. The freaking robot. The freaking robot. The robot that you do. Oh, well, we're going to go. We'll be long time seeing you next time.