Episode 187 - Penny for the Guy

Welcome to other world. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. Sometimes when you spend every day making a show like this, you kind of see certain things pop up over and over again. But when we first spoke to the woman you're about to meet, this one immediately stood out as different. It comes from Sarah, who's from Cornwall, England. She is an herbalist and teaches locals about plants, foraging, as well as the history of Cornwall. And the story takes place in the town where she grew up between Manchester and Liverpool. And it takes place partly on Bonfire night, which is a celebration on November 5th, marking Guy Fox's foiled attempt to blow up the House of Parliament and assassinate the king. I think these days the origins of this night have sort of faded and it's mainly just a night of fireworks, bonfires and celebration. Sarah's story is about a hyper-local legend. In fact, as far as Sarah knows, only her and her friends knew about this legend. It's almost as if they made it up, although none of them can remember making it up. It's as if they just always knew about it. This episode is called Penny for the Guy and you're listening to other world. Hello? Is this Bobby? What could it be? It's at its core, the science you can't argue with. It's not a story to bow all the sudden. It's up in the sky. It's almost frustrating that it's happened. I'm glitchy, so I'm going to die a project. It's limbs were just like rung. Everybody knows that can take a bite, even if it takes them a minute. So my name's Sarah. I live in Cornwall, which is the little boot at the bottom of the UK. I trained at the College of Naturopathic Medicine in London, which was a five-year degree course in Botanical Medicine and I was very lucky to do that course. There were only three of us on the course at the time because it wasn't a very popular thing to do. One like today, which thankfully, there seems to be more people becoming interested in herbal medicine. I have a small practice here in Cornwall and I really love doing herbal walks, herbal folklore. It's my thing. I like being out in the woods, which I think has come from being outside a lot as a child. Just being able to play outside in nature quite freely without worrying about, you know, traffic and lots of people being around. We were able to make dens and all of that kind of enjoyable stuff. So I think my love of herbs came from being an outdoor child really. So at the moment, as well as my clinic, I have a substack where I write a lot about herbal folklore, herbal stories. Not so much about the medicinal side of things, but more to do with the tales that are associated with the medicines and the trees and the culture and the old ways that are abundant here in Cornwall. We're very lucky to have lots of off-grid places that you can escape to still. So yeah, I enjoy taking people out into the woods. I grew up in a town which was right in the middle of Manchester and Liverpool. So as I mentioned, our house was a brand new house in the 1970s. It was built on an estate, which is quite a large estate, but it still hasn't changed much even though I went back. I'm 53 now. So at the time of the story, I was probably 8 or 9. So it's a long time, it's not much has changed. The the lucky part for us was that my house was right on the edge of the estate, on the boundary of the old village. So right where the old village finished, the estate began. So we were quite lucky in the in the little village we had a post office. We had a Methodist church, which is probably 17th, 18th century, I don't really know. And that had just a big sprawling graveyard, but right next to it was a chip shop. And we would go after school on our bikes and get a bag of chips for 10p or 12p if you wanted a big bag, wrapped off in newspaper. And we would sit on the church wall and eat our chips and make up stories about the graveyard and about all of the things that hid behind the railway line, because as well as the post office and the pub and the church was a very old train station with an iron bridge that goes over the top. And the train station was hardly ever used, but the trains used to go from Manchester to Liverpool and back again and very rarely stop, maybe once a day. But if we timed it right on a Friday, we could catch the train in some Manchester and go another night out and then cannot come back on the late train, which was really quite good fun. So yeah, the train station was there and we used to sort of hang around that area and bob in between playing with the older kids on the estate and then taking our bikes and going up to the village and hanging around in the cemetery and behind the back of the chip shop and all those kinds of things. We were always scared of the railway because I remember that the caretaker at our school came in one day and stood on the stage with a pair of trainers in his hand and said, you know, this is what happens if you run on the railway tracks so you'll get, you know, you foot-tracked in the thing and you feet will get chopped off. So we were always terrified about going anywhere near the railway but we couldn't really help it because the park where we used to play, backed on to the railway. So in the evening, after school, I would go and call for my friend who lived at the bottom of the hill. We'd knock on the door and then I would we'd go down to the park, which I mean it wasn't a very good park really, there was two swings and these really weird kind of, we used to call them the polar bears because they looked like great big white polar bears. They were just concrete really that were covered in, I don't know, some sort of plastic for kids to play on and so the park was there but then over the back of the hill was where the railway tracks were and that's the place where we just never used to go because we always used to say that that's where the little man would be hiding. So I think it's one of those things where you don't really know whether you made it up or you were repeating something that somebody else had told you and then it becomes a thing and again because we used to like hang around the graveyard and talk about all these kinds of things in the bushes, it kind of became more and more exaggerated as time went on. So we would play on the on the swings but I can remember that you used to wait for the, if the train was coming past you could hear it, you know when you get that humming in the lines that's sort of in the background so you wouldn't you would know that in about you had about 30 seconds to get well off the ground because it was the game that we used to play because we would say that if you weren't off the ground when the train went past that the little man would be able to get into your head and know where you lived and follow your home that night and then come and knock on your window. So you know God forbid if you needed to go for a nature wee while you're out in the during the evening at some point you really would take your life into your own hands because you would run over the hill and if you heard the humming you knew that you had about 30 seconds or so to get back up the hill and get off the ground if there was space because like I say there was only two swings and these horrendous kind of weird sculptural polar bears that people used to kind of clean going to until the train had gone past. I remember at the back where the the train line is there is like a line of willow trees so the odd time if you were in desperation you would have to jump up and hang onto a branch until it went past and just hope that you know that you didn't fall off and your doors have the man it on the end shout out you get out the trees stop playing in the trees like we were absolute terrors so yeah that was the game that we that we used to play but that space behind the Even now as an adult, when I went back there, it's really got a weird feeling. You would think really it would be the perfect place for people to walk dogs or to build dens and all this kind of thing, but there is nothing. It's like everybody knows just not to go down there. But like I say, all of the time when we were little, all of those years and years of talking about this little man, nobody ever saw him. So it was around the time of Bonfire night, which is another strange custom that I'm not sure if the listeners in America will know very much about. So every year, on the 5th of November, the whole of the country would celebrate the fact that somebody tried to blow up the houses of Parliament, which is a very odd thing to celebrate. But it was a huge thing, not so much now, but when I was a child growing up, I mean everybody did Bonfire night. I can remember, my dad was the head of the Bonfire Association for the residents on the New Estate, and believe it or not, as children, we would, you know, 12, 13, were allowed to go into the shop quite happily to buy a box of explosives, which we wouldn't open with no gloves on or anything. Take them all out, look at the wrappers, laugh and joke around with them, take them home, and then they would get to sit on the top of the fridge until it was time to set them all off. I'm sure that wouldn't happen nowadays with the health and safety. So the idea behind it was that people would make their own Bonfires. It wasn't usually a public thing, you would do it in your own backyard, but sometimes people would make their own Bonfire, and it would be in these kinds of liminal spaces where nobody would get where adults wouldn't sort of go. As part of the Bonfire celebrations, we would make a guy forks in commemoration of guy forks who was the man who tried to blow up Parliament. So people would go and get all of this wood, they would make a guy, and for about two or three weeks, sometimes people would be a little bit cheeky, would wheel this horrid effigy around the neighbouring houses and knock on people's doors and say, can we have a penny for the guy, and people would give them £10 or £50 if they were generous to say off you go, off you go. And it was a thing really, people would create, or have competitions, almost like a scarecrow competition to see who could make the best guy, and then on Bonfire night, obviously, would throw him on top of the Bonfire and then just set light to the whole thing. So it was just a big carry-on really, and everybody loved it. So obviously when I was a bit older, 18, it's not really as cool to do, like the lads would go down and make the Bonfires, but girls would just not really be that bothered. On the night of the Bonfire, it was sort of that kind of dusk time, so it's not really night, but it's not daytime either, that kind of twilight in between time, and I was walking down to go and join the other people that were there, but at the time, I was a really healthy teenager, I was obsessed with herbal medicine, I was obsessed with having beautiful skin, I didn't drink beer, I didn't take drugs, when we were playing the game we were probably at the end of primary school, so sort of, you know, 9, 10, 11, 12, that kind of age, but this was around like 18, 19, so, you know, teenager, a bit too cool for that kind of thing anymore. This is the thing about it, because it was so ingrained in us, whenever the train came faster, you would still try to get off the ground, but without looking like an absolute idiot. So on the tap, this is what happened on the actual day, is that I could hear the rail, the train come in, and I wasn't quite at the park yet, but I was at the community centre where the scouts and the brownies and the guides were, would all hang out, so it was right at the end of the bit where you have to cut through the bushes to go to the, to the space in between the park and the railway lines, and I could hear the train come in, and I knew that if had gone through the bushes, there would be nowhere to get off the ground, so even though I was 18, and should have known better, I've just looked around and I thought, oh, there's a step, I'll just stand on the step of the community centre, and that I'll do, it'll be fine, I'm not running, I'm certainly not going to clean down to the branch of a willow tree, you know, I'll just stand on this step and it'll be fine, but I remember at the time just thinking that it's not good enough, it's not really off ground, it's the era, you know, so in the back of my mind, I was kind of thinking, I know that I'm going down the back there, I know that the train has just come past, and I know that I've not really been off the ground, but I'm going to the bonfire, it's absolutely fine, I'm not thinking too much about it, but then if, like, my heart is just beating, thinking about it now, because it is just so horrible, and so after the train had gone past, I waited for a little while, because in my mind, I was feeling, I've got to walk down that place now, and not even though I know it's not real, there was kind of a trepidation about wanting to cut through the bushes to get to the bonfire, so I waited a minute or two, and then I thought, I'll just forget, don't you silly, just walk through, but because I've been standing there for a while, I couldn't really be bothered to walk right to the end of the bushes where the community, the brownie hut was, to go around the corner and enter the way that most people would, because I knew that there was a cut through in the bushes that I could just quickly jog through and get through that way instead, so I pushed my way through the bushes, I've put my head through the bushes, and I'm not joking, right in the little clearing, just standing above in front of me, was just this, the horrid, all I can describe it is, it's like a horrid goblin creature, it was like the size of a child, but like a trump child, like it was an old man, so I couldn't really see his features, because he was quite far away, but I could tell it was, it was almost like, you know, when, like when the trainers gone passing, you can feel the electricity still in the air, it was like that kind of thing, and I remember at the time just thinking, now I know what the smell of, when you know when people say that, saying the smell of fear, I could smell it, it just went through me whole body, it was like a feeling of damp hay, so it wasn't, it was more than a smell, it was kind of inside, I could feel this wave of damp hay just gone over me, and the little man was just standing, stalk still, no dog, no other children, no kind of bear in his hand, or you know, jumping because somebody just pushed the head through the bushes, he was standing, looking directly at me like he was waiting for me to come through the bushes, like he knew, he was going to come through those bushes, and for a horrid minute, I mean, I can't, I don't know how long it was, but I was stood there, but you kind of feel like really enthralled, because in my mind I was thinking, oh my god, it is actually real, because I've never seen it before, you know, it was like a shock of the little man's real, the little man is real, so I was kind of taking it in, the little man is real, but at the same time I was thinking, it can't possibly be real, it can't possibly be real, the overwhelming feeling was that horrible smell, but really this shouldn't have been a smell because he was quite far away, he wasn't near enough to smell, but there was this wave of damp hay, so it was quite clear that it wasn't a child, and it certainly wasn't an adult that I would have known, if there was somebody of that structure, I had good eyesight, it wasn't even though the person was in the distance, it wasn't like they were crouching down or bending, I could see quite clearly that that was the full height, and I remember looking and thinking, which again, it just sounds ridiculous to say it out loud, but I was thinking, why has he got a bowler hat on? Like people in, people in, you know, 1970s north of England do not walk around with a bowler hat on, I can't remember any of this clothes, I've got to be honest, and I would be making it up if I described them because I didn't, I was in such shock to see the size of it, and the fact that he had this hat on, and the fact that he was just standing waiting, looking at me directly, like he knew I was going to come through these bushes, he was standing there, just stuck still, and then I heard, I can't believe I'm actually saying this, I heard laughing, it was almost like his head just went back, but for a moment I thought, are you going to do a tap dance? Because it was almost like he could have started doing a tap dance, or he could have just rushed straight up, so I didn't know what was going to happen, it was that kind of, what's he going to do? Why is he just standing there like that? So we were both just staring at each other for a moment, and then it was almost like this, there's a comedy, if you look it up on, on, um. YouTube maybe you'll see a clip and it's called The Silent Singer and it's a man in a library who does these really weird, it's supposed to be funny but it's not, it's just weird and horrible and just really creepy and it's these very sudden jerky motions that he does and he just kind of did a like lifted his chin up and started laughing but no noise came out but I could hear the laughing it was just like the smell, it was in me, it wasn't a physical laugh, it was like a silent laughing my head and then I just liked it, I just, it was like I am gone, I am not waiting around to see what's going to happen next, I am out of here. Like the first thing that went through my head was the shock of thinking this is actually real, all of those years when we've made up all those stories I've never once seen anything and I've completely out of the blue when I was least expecting it as an adult, it's, it's, it's, it's almost like you have a reflection thinking back to yourself that you realise I'm having a shock, I'm shocked that I'm shocked, I'm not, horrible feeling that you think you know who I am, so even though I was out of the way I felt like he was kind of still reading my mind and because that's what we've said is children, that was the, that was the story that if you're not off the ground when he's there he'll read your mind and he'll follow you home and he'll come knock on you window that night, so even though I'd got away from it it wasn't like it ended if you know what I mean, I was just thinking oh once it really goes dark is it going to come into my garden or what's going to happen now, but I didn't see anything again after that night. 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Tell me, Eric, you kind of a borderline con person in most of your life, too, but you got conned by a conman. Blood Memory, a new podcast series from Love and Radio. Search for Blood Memory, wherever you get your podcasts. I just went straight home and was really glad to have normality. You know, it can't be real, it's not happened, I must have imagined it, you know. Or I knew it was, you know when you imagine something, you know when you see, because it was just the shock of it. I just was not expecting to see anything at all. It was just so out of the blue. I just totally forgot about it. I didn't say anything about it at all. I just thought I just want to put this to the back of my mind. I've got no reason to really go down there again. So I just avoided the area and didn't, I just didn't think of just, with your routine, age of when you're 18, you've got better things to think about, helping in a little man in the bushes. So it was probably towards the end of October in the lead up again to Bonfire Night. It's probably not about 1990, 91, round about then. I was in the front room. So it must have been waiting for our hearts to come on, because I was obsessed with modern-harket. I used to wear all of those leather bands around my wrist like they thought it would do me skill uniform, thinking it was really cool, and it would have been amazing to have the whole room to myself without anybody interrupting. I could watch the TV with my channel and have the, well, they didn't have remote controls, well, you did what you've actually plugged it into the TV. It wasn't a bit like a Bluetooth one. It was on a wire. And I was probably recording it on the video, which would have been very annoying at the time. So I was really obsessed with just, you know, get the recording done, get the watch the TV, what's coming up next. I've got all these things ready. Nobody's going to interrupt me. It was just nice to have a bit of time as a teenager without other people around. And I remember hearing this knocking at the door. I didn't think anything of it. I thought, oh, it's somebody coming to do Penny for the Guy again. And on the side of our, sort of, we had like a mantel piece near where the porch the door is. And on there was the jam jar with some coins for the people that were coming knocking on the door for the Penny for the Guy. And so I was like, oh, I've just got it over with quickly. It goes to the door, give them the 10 P or whatever. And then I can just carry on with the evening. And I can remember feeling really cross because I just wanted to get rid of them as soon as possible. So I could get back to my TV programme. So I took a 50 P, which is quite generous at the time, 50 P coin. And I'll remember this so vividly. And I opened the porch door. So there is like a door for the porch and then there is the main front door. So where the main front door is, it was made of wood. And we had kind of like glass slats, that kind of glass. And it's a bit mottled. So you can't really see behind it. It's not a clear glass. But it's not a full pane of glass. It was sort of wood glass, wood glass like this kind of thing. And I remember seeing a shadow outside of the door. But the thing that struck me was that it was on its own. Because I was expecting it to be a group of children. And of course people to puff in the effigy or making it look good to try and get the money and laughing and joking more than one person and with some noise. So instantly I thought, oh this doesn't feel right. There's one person on the road. There's no noise. There's no laughing and joking. And it's just again standing very, very still about the door. And this is the reason why I haven't actually told this story before, because it just sounds so unbelievable. When I opened the door, it was there, it was there, there on the step and I could see. And this horrible fit that horrible smell of hair all just came immediately came back and that was why only it's that thing again And I could it was standing on the steps so close that I could see its skin and it looked like You know like when you get a like a packet of ham slices and it's gone off and it's kind of gray silvery green Pinky, do you know that kind of shimmery? Gone off meat colour. So all his skin was like that. He had that bow the hat on which was really tati And I remember because he went like that to tip to tip the hat and the horrid twinkling eyes and again that transfiction of It's me again. You know you know who I am and I'm not joking on it You would not believe it was real in front. It wasn't a ghost. It was a physical thing and He just put his head down like that with the bow the hat and put his hand out. It was almost like they have power over here Look, you just go on to a kind of an automatic It was so polite. That was what was so hard about it the little ticking of the bowl the hat and then the hand coming out for the money It was it was almost like It was the dumb thing And this is the thing that I remember more than anything which totally totally totally creeps me out When I put the 50p in his hand Water came out of his skin. It was like you know like when if I was pressing it into a sponge and that was wet and the water comes up Water just started gathering in the palm of his hand Over and over and over in my mind. I've questioned. It's not real. It's not real or I could have made all these things up but that water coming out of his hand It's the one thing about the whole of this Tale that is will not go away And I can remember just standing there thinking this is Is this is this real what's up? Is it a Pearl is it a person playing a trick? I just didn't know what to do I just didn't know what to do because in my mind I was thinking it can't be a Goblin It can't be a goblin standing there on my steps. Look in front of me But the horrid smell it was the same smell and it was the same but I could it was like I could hear his voice in my head to go in You do know it's me again But again no talking totally silent but laughing Like horrid twink like a horrid twinkly laugh So I gave him when he had just shut the door in his face. I went back to the top of the pubs And I just sat there on the sofa and I put him in the back room on the phone like nothing had happened And I waited for about ten minutes before going upstairs But it almost felt like he was just standing there just waiting waiting waiting I was like as he gone as he gone to the dead. I'm not opening the door again. There's absolutely no way I'm going that to the door So I went upstairs to my brother's bedroom because he was out And his bedroom overlooks the front of the path so I could see if he was still in the garden or if he'd gone And there was nothing he was just empty I think but again, I don't know from this point on I don't know whether it is just my imagination tricking me because I'm sure this is an experience that everybody has had So in that house it was a carpeted house So when you went to bed at night, sometimes you could hear sort of That became a thing for me for quite a few weeks afterwards But again, I don't know whether it was because I was heightened and Thinking about it or whether or not that was some sort of until the point as well where we or I also had Like a headboard behind the back of my bed in my old bedroom, which was velvet And at one point I remember thinking it kind of went like touching my head like I know where he lived now because the whole story when we were little was that If you are not off the ground, he can read your mind and he will know where he'll live and he will come and knock on your window But unfortunately for me, he didn't just knock on the window, he knocks on the front door I've never told anybody about it before because if it's all my signs that people would laugh and go, oh, don't be ridiculous But because I can when I talk about it, it's not like it's not really a memory It's inside your body, you can actually feel the feeling of Just horror when you're looking at them and just the disbelief But my heart is studying and beating so fast just thinking about this story I can't I can't kind of I can't wind myself down. I can't relax I haven't thought about this for a long long time and It's quite interesting They're sort of feelings that come up because it has been buried deep It's I've never told anybody this story. Well, maybe one or two people but not the foot to the full extent It's a long time ago, but I made a point to myself if I phone you and I tell you this story I'm gonna tell you what I saw. I'm not going to make up details about clothes and things that are that we're not true But like I said, it's that sing with the 50p that I know That that for me is why I know that that is not a false memory in my imagination and That smell Very randomly last night before Gary last minute I thought I was just up looking for something about that railway track on YouTube and there's one video Which is about 60 seconds long. It's really rubbish and it's about a nine bridge But it's not near where we used to play. It's a bit further up the line. What there is a story of a Trump Ghost gobbling type thing from probably 200 300 years ago That people Won't go over the iron bridge because of it But I've never heard anybody say that story. It wasn't certainly not my parents certainly not my grandparents because they didn't even live in the village And that's the first time I've ever heard anybody Talk about that and it was quite shocking to say I would look I might actually get in touch with that man and find out where we heard that story and where that came from I think that there is a sort of facade But not everybody can pass through it. I think you've got to be in a state of total peace and calmness for it to just Be open to present itself And that's why I do you feel it when you go looking? It's it's not very good It's not authentic it's This is why I find that people try to capture things and they don't always Get what they want to find And also, I think there are things that not everybody can see You have to be up is that the door has to be open It might sound like a strange thing, but I will always feel like I've been quite good at manifesting things And it's not always good things. So sometimes if you Go down a path and you're thinking about things a lot, then that thing happens and potentially because we spent such a long time talking about this figure and And as if it was a real thing And making other people scared of it For it to just appear like that is Just and and in such a detailed way It's it's quite unbelievable for it to be anything else So I do think that if you I do you think that you can Sort of bring the force Things into physical reality It depends how strong the tale is And because we had naturally spent years terrifying ourselves over it that energy has had a long long time to build I'm just surprised I didn't see anything when I was little But maybe I would have been too scared then and maybe I wouldn't have remembered it as well Or maybe I wouldn't have maybe I was supposed to see it and tell other people about it. I don't know I Thank you so much to Sarah for sharing this very unique story Part of what makes it so strange is having met Sarah herself Talking to her about it hearing how scared she was and learning from our conversations that she is Genuinely worried to be talking about this and possibly invoking it This is one of the stories that if I were an outsider hearing it I could easily see myself being a little dismissive But having met her myself and hearing it directly. It's just not easy to do that especially because Sarah was quite adamant In fact, I would say she was even stubborn about being 100% truthful on every single detail of the story which stood out to me and makes all the other things in her story even more haunting because they are so detailed and extreme. The smell of the damp hay, the color of the skin, that oily rainbow type texture, it's all so specific and weird. I couldn't imagine seeing this yet at the same time I instantly understand those references. And that moment when she pushes the penny into his hand and water pools around it, that is so weird. In fact, this is one of the weirdest stories that I have heard in the show. And maybe the weirdest part of all is that her and her friends don't know where the original story came from and how all of this started. It was something only they knew about but they didn't know how they knew it. Thank you so much to Sarah. This episode was called Penny for the Guy and you've been listening to Other World. Other world is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our producers are Theoshafer, Theocrants, Haley Pearson, and Nikki Kate Delgado. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by Wiccafe's Springs Eternal, Juice Jackal, and North Americans. Our artwork is by Koldisak Studios. Please show us your support by subscribing, leaving a five-star review, and telling your friends about the show. 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