Episode 104

He lurks in shadow. He slips into dreams. He casts no reflection. Audible presents Bram Stoker's Dracula, a new full-cast audio thriller starring Ella Purnell of Fallout as Mina Harker, Jonathan Bailey of Wicked as Dracula, and an A-list cast including Maggie Gyllenhaal of The Dark Knight as Van Helsing, Amy Lou Wood of The White Lotus as Lucy, David Johnson of Industry as Dr. C-Word, and many more. The new full-cast thriller locks Mina Harker in a battle of minds with the Count. When Mina's fiancé, Jonathan Harker, Louis Partridge of Enola Holmes, vanishes in Transylvania, Mina pieces together letters, diary entries, and chilling testimony to hunt the predator stalking those she loves, only to discover Dracula's already hunting her. Joined by the enigmatic Van Helsing, Mina and a small fearless band race against time to stop this ancient terror. Using her intellect, her resolve, and a gift for drawing the unseen lines between clues, Mina just may hold the key to bring down the Count, if he hasn't already found his way inside of her mind. Featuring a haunting original score by Ilan Ishkari of Audible's 1984 and spatial Dolby Atmos sound design, Audible's Dracula invites you to welcome literature's most shadowy figure into your home. Feel the terror of being hunted and the thrill of the hunt. Don't miss the year's best new audio thriller, Bram Stoker's Dracula, Audible's new full-cast original adaptation, written by Robin Ahern and directed by Mary Lambert. Now on Audible. Listen to the darkness. Go to audible.com slash listen to Dracula. Hate waiting a week for the next episode of Radio Rental? Subscribe to Tenderfoot Plus to get early access to episodes, ad-free listening, and even some bonus scary stories. Visit tenderfootplus.com for details. The following podcast includes scary stories with content that could be triggering to some listeners. Listener discretion is advised. Take a break from the same old boring blockbusters and experience a new kind of movie night with Radio Rental. At Radio Rental, our videos come to life in your living room, defy all logic and reasoning, and make you question your own reality. This is not your ordinary video rental store. At Radio Rental, we carry one-of-a-kind videos so frightening, so mind-bending, you won't be able to sleep at night. You've gone Radio Rental. Hey, what the? Yo, what's happening? Yo, where am I? Oh, shit. I know where the hell I am. I'm at Radio Rental again, aren't I? Mm-hmm, got this little ass vest on with my name on it. What the hell? Why me? Why Jeremy? What's so special about Jeremy, huh? You know what? Maybe, maybe I'm like a chosen one or something. I'm like Neo and Neo. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't matrix you know what i'm saying oh maybe this is the matrix but it's like a teamu matrix because this this is a musty ass rental shop but but it is cool to be chosen one though that's that is pretty damn cool i just wish it could be like a high stakes mission or something like that you know well i gotta be chosen for an entry-level position that don't even exist anymore anyway it's you yeah i remember you i remember you because you didn't say anything last time just like that so congratulations on being the most consistent person i've ever met in my life did you spontaneously teleport here too uh i don't know what to do should i see a doctor or should i just lean in you know always this damn oh hey hey malachi hey i remember you who feeds you by the way what do you eat tape dust i don't understand what you got there is that a little crinkly toy you want to catch go fetch i don't even know cats did that they don't even come when you call them but they'll fetch that's insane well look i guess since i'm here i'll watch some of those horror tapes with you i did kind of like that part last time but hey this better not happen again you hear me store huh okay or at least give me some advanced notice so i can prepare i have to do like damn i mean not today specifically but i usually have to do you just got it right on accident this is anyway all right it's taped on the top of the box let's do this one this story of mine started in philadelphia in 2017. i was in art school at the time and i moved to south philly in a house i was running a room for my senior year just getting to know the roommates these were guys i never lived with before i didn't meet didn't know them they just kind of had like a vacancy and it was a cheap room for rent i was you know poor college student it was like a particularly warm february and the house i was in had like a rooftop deck we were on the roof of the house sitting in lawn chairs drinking with roommates just you know shooting the off to the distance i see like an orange ball of light that i almost described as fire kind of like a orange orb in the sky it was probably like two three city blocks away it had to be the size of almost kind of like a car like a small car it was quite high up so it didn't look like it was coming from a chimney or like a burning building the second i noticed it that's when it looked like it flamed out i wouldn't necessarily think anything of it it was just really strange i just thought maybe it was you know a trick of the sunlight or even a fire from a building but again it was too high to look like it would be something that would carry up that way it didn't look like it was any type of like balloon and i was like what the hell is going on i don't know i'm not sure what's going on it was during the day so there was like no fireworks or i think anything that someone would would create this themselves i looked at it i i thought it was weird i didn't say anything because like i didn't know these guys too too well i only lived there like about a month and a half and i didn't want to like be like what the hell was that that night i went to bed as normal around 2 30 i woke up in an extremely strange way i woke up like i landed on my bed my hands tucked under my chest kind of like face first like i planted onto my bed like i was physically dropped on my bed and i jolted awake almost as if you were like as a kid running and jumping onto your bed and landing on your stomach with your hands tucked in your chest just literally felt like i was dropped on my bed i like sprung awake and it was extremely strange i had a squeaky mattress at the time poor college kid so the mattress was squeaking as if it was like ricocheting off the weight of me landing on it i jolted up very extremely groggy and shocked i don't to my knowledge sleepwalk or move around in my sleep wasn't like that sensation where you're about to fall asleep and your body jerks a little bit it wasn't that sensation it was much more intense and more physical i would say it felt almost like i smashed into the bed and then had to like push myself back up so it wasn't just kind of like a flinch or a quick jolt of the body it was like a physical full body sensation of being imprinted into the bed and then bounced off super strange and i just went back to bed the next morning i'm getting ready for school my roommates at the time they were all working so we were up at the same time because i'd get to school at 8 30 they would have to get to work my roommate sean who i shared a wall with was like did anyone hear like that crazy noise last night it sounded like a bomb went off in the city and the other two guys who lived on the the bottom floor were like no i didn't i kind of also was like oh no uh i didn't mention that i was like oh i might have jumped onto my bed that was my assumption that i might have just like jumped on to my bed and like hit the wall or something he was like oh it was weird he's like i just didn't know what it was didn't sound like thunder there was no storms i leave for school and i'm walking to school the college i went to was the pennsylvania academy of fine arts it's a really old art school it's actually the oldest art school in america it's a two building school one is this old historic museum and i had classes in that building as i was walking around that day like weird electrical things started happening i'd walk under a light it would turn off or a light would flicker and i'd walk under it and then it would stop this is strange but it's an old building this type of stuff didn't normally happen to me. I didn't really register it. As I was walking home, it was, you know, dark in the city. And as I'd walk under streetlights, the same things started happening. They would like flicker or they would turn off or they would turn on if they were already off. And that's when I was like, okay, this is a little strange. It's happened enough now in enough spaces where like, this is really strange. I go home, you know, eat dinner, just hang out for a bit. Later that night, I take showers at night. So, you know, I'm getting ready for a shower and, you know, looking in the mirror. And I noticed these dots on my back in like a weird geometric pattern. It's like two on top of each other, then one, then another two, then a one. And they kind of start near my spine and move to the side. And as they move, they kind of fade. It's not like I felt a sensation back there and that's why I was looking. I just happened to stumble upon them. They weren't raised. They didn't itch. They weren't indented. They were just red dots, like flat red dots. And I was like, okay, that's really strange because they're in a pattern. I don't have like back acne or anything like that. There wasn't really like an explanation for the pattern. And in art school, we're standing all day and painting classes. So it's not like I was sitting down and something could have imprinted on my back or something like that. I was like, huh, that's really, really weird. I didn't really think anything. I didn't think it was too much of a concern to like go to a doctor or anything because there was no pain. So, you know, I took my shower and I went back to bed. Throughout the next couple of days, the light stuff was still happening, but it started to fade. And every day that passed, the dots on my back were getting less and less. You know, I had some friends look at it and they were like, oh, that's really strange. We like tried Googling it, but we couldn't find anything. Those fade and then eventually the light stuff stops and I kind of forget about it a little bit. And I was like, oh, that's just a weird story. It was like a couple of weeks later, I went home for Easter. So I'm in my childhood bedroom and I wake up the same way again. Boom, like it feels like I landed on the bed. This time I was like, OK, this is really strange. Like this is the second time this phenomenon has happened and not in my Philly place. I'm in my parents' house. This is really weird. Kind of a little freaked out. Went back to bed. And then the next morning checked. And there were dots again on my back. But in a different position this time. They were smaller. And then like this time, I believe they were to like the left. But again, still in that same pattern. The two, the one, the two, and then they would fade. So that, again, was super strange. I remember telling my mom about it and I was like, this is the second time these dots came up. And she's like, oh. Maybe you need to go to the doctor. She was like, they're flat on your back. But this time, like these electrical phenomena happened again. I'd walk by the TV, the TV would turn off. I would go outside with the dog and then the lights on the patio started flickering. Now it's happening at my parents' house and their house isn't that old. It was built in like the 90s, I believe. So I was like, OK, this is really strange. And, you know, it's kind of started to freak my parents out. That night we would hear like doors starting to slam. We were on the second floor and like the first floor had the kitchen and we were hearing doors slamming and we were like, OK, now we're all really spooked out because this was really kind of creepy. I grew up in this house, there was never like a haunting or any type of paranormal activity. Eventually, just like before the dots faded and that phenomena stopped, this time it faded a lot quicker because the dots were smaller. And more faint the second time, I believe it only lasted like one or two days. And by the time like Easter was over and I went back to school on that following Tuesday, it was like kind of done. I haven't woken up this way before. Those dots have never reappeared on my back. I do check a lot. This has been almost 10 years, but I will still check sometimes. Occasionally, a streetlight will turn out as I drive under it or something like that will happen. I think that's more up to chance now. But every time it happens. The friends that know this story or the people that know me that know this story are always like, oh, it's the it's the aliens. The second time it happened, I really kind of went on Reddit and was in a community and being like, what is this? What's happening? A lot of people pointed to aliens because of the electrical phenomena and the dots. And they were like, oh, people had similar dots and and this and that. And I remember finding like a really like crappy website, like it looked like it was made in like the 90s. It was just like text, white text on a black background with images. Someone had a very similar dot pattern on their back. It wasn't quite like mine, but it was a similar geometric shape and they were claiming aliens. Do I believe it? Maybe I do think aliens exist. I don't know if they're like actively abducting people or what. But yeah, I don't I don't have any other explanation for it. Out of all the, you know, paranormal or, you know, fanciful things out there, I do think aliens are the most plausible. I've heard other abduction stories and people like losing time and being misplaced. I don't have those. But again, this was happening when I was asleep. You know, I might not have the same same lost time or the same, you know, grogginess or waking up in a different room or waking up with different clothes on. It was kind of terrifying to think of like, oh, what did they do? Especially if there was these dots on my back, like what were they doing there? Like, was it an injection? Was it like surgery? Who knows? Like, what did they take? What did they put in? Mixed emotions for sure. Like exciting in the sense of like, oh, that's really interesting because it happened to me, but also quite terrifying because I have no idea if it is true what they've done or what happened or what was going on. Damn. I kind of know how that guy feels. Feeling like you're falling through space, waking up in a strange way. Possible abduction. Pretty familiar, huh? So I remember we had to do ads and I want to start talking and then ads start happening. So I know they're supposed to happen. It's just. Are y'all faking me out? Are there no ads this time? OK, fine. Let's run. Let's roll another tape. OK. Oh, this one looks good. This one looks good because. Haute couture, high fashion, Paris, Milan, catwalk, baby. Yes, you heard the rumors right. 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supplements some meal prep boxes why don't you cook you got a kitchen don't you i don't know maybe everybody doesn't have a kid all right anyway that's what's the next tape my job at the funeral home was a removal technician which meant that i went to the scenes of death and i retrieved the dead bodies from nursing homes houses hospitals crime scenes car crashes anywhere that somebody may have passed away if they needed to be retrieved and taken to a funeral home or a morgue it was my job to go get them this day it was getting close to closing time we were planning to actually shut down kind of early because it'd been a slow day and we got a call my partner that i usually did removals with had already left for the day so the person that i had to take with me was an embalmer it was somebody that didn't actually go do removal and i was like oh my god i'm gonna have to go to the hospital she just managed the funeral part that was all we had so she ended up going with me the call was in town so it wasn't too far we thought it would just be a quick pickup take back finish up for the day so we got to the scene there's a lot of police presence usually that's normal for a homicide but what we'd been told through the paperwork was it was just an elderly man that had passed away at home so that confused me from the get-go but the weirdest part starting off was the state of the house it was a house that was just on a normal block it wasn't out in the middle of nowhere it wasn't anything like that the first thing i thought when i saw the house is how have i never seen this house before so the funeral home that i worked in was maybe a five ten minute drive from my house he lived just a couple streets over from me and the path that i drove to work went by his house and i never realized that i just never noticed it but it was like as soon as i noticed it it's like how could i possibly miss this it sticks out like a sore thumb it's a two-story home and it's a two-story home it's very old it has a creepy look to it just being so weathered the roof tiles were falling off it wasn't kept up very well there's junk all in the yard the porch is full of stuff the windows had all these weird carvings in them almost like zodiac kind of codes it looked like he had tried to carve skulls into it like skulls and crossbones like somebody that just isn't in the right state of mind just took a razor to the windows and just started carving things into it it looked like one of those houses that when i was a kid we would have made up a story about it you know don't go over there because the boogeyman lives in there that kind of house is what it looked like usually when we go to a removal we find a family member and they give us you know their information we give them paperwork as we walk up to the porch there's a woman standing next to a man in a suit this woman just seems completely jittery scared nervous she's just blabbering and speaking incoherently i say hello ma'am i'm from this in this funeral home i'm here to pick up your family member who is he to you she says he's my brother i said okay well i'm so sorry for your loss and she said i'm not i was like oh okay that's not very common to hear she said he and i do not get along i've had a restraining order against him this is my attorney speak to my attorney don't speak to me and that's the first time i've ever had anybody bring an attorney with them to a situation like this the attorney very quickly took all our paperwork signed it told us that the funeral home wasn't a funeral home and that's why we're here we're not here to contact the sister anymore about her brother anything like that okay this is weird i don't know what we're about to get into and usually from the state of the outside of someone's house you can tell what the inside is going to look like what they show to the world they're okay with that what they have inside their house is private it's going to be even worse than whatever you can see out in the yard the outside was cluttered and junky and had all these weird things on it so i'm not going to tell you what's going on in the outside of someone's house it's going to be even worse than whatever you can see out in the yard the outside was cluttered and junky and had all these weird things on it so i'm not going to tell you what's going on in the outside things on it so i've thought let's brace ourselves for whatever's inside as soon as we step inside the living room we're met at the door with two or three police officers and they say hey guys just be careful we've been in here the past couple hours we've been disarming the house and i'm like what disarming what do you mean and they said the guys set a lot of booby traps he has trip wires we've been trying to take them all apart we don't know if we found all of them we don't know what's left where be very careful where you step where you move don't touch certain things don't try to grab things just please be careful watch your step so we're standing there with this cot that we have to take through the house it's a big heavy cot there's wheels on it i'm terrified what if i trip over something what if i trigger something what if you know there's something that the officers haven't disarmed yet i'm trying to get around and all around us are just walls and walls of pizza boxes newspapers a crazy amount of things that are hoarded up and the windows have been blocked out there's hardly any light as we're walking through the house obviously i'm watching my step i'm trying not to step on anything trying not to catch my ankle on anything the house was so hoarded there was only maybe a foot wide path through the house the further you get inside it gets darker and darker getting through it was almost like a weird little maze the carvings that were on the windows started to show up on the walls big carvings little carvings random letters that were in english random letters that look like other languages once we got halfway down the hallway i started seeing what looked like fishing line it was tied to hills and the walls they had fishing weights on them and they were still just hanging from the wall as we walked through the traps moved on from fishing weights and fishing line to a piece of plywood hanging down from one of the doorways that had a large nail driven through it so if you had tripped that wire the board would have swung down with the nail through it at like head level it was swinging back and forth and you could tell that it was hanging to a piece of fishing line up towards the ceiling he had things attached to bookshelves where if you step too close to it it would fall forward he had really gone through and set things up to make it that nobody would get through his home i don't even know how the police managed to not get hurt doing that as we're trying to get through an officer notified us we did find a trap that had a gun attached to it. They did say one of the police officers had tripped over it and the gun was supposed to go off but for some reason it didn't. I'd seen a couple of the officers on other removals and they had been calm and cool. The police officer that was guiding us through kind of seemed shaky himself. It kind of seemed like he was a little scared like he didn't know what might be happening or what might happen. So that kind of put me on edge. What else could he have in here? He could have a bomb set up. He could have you know a siren set up. Something that could you know harm myself or anybody else in there. It was like walking through a field of landmines. One wrong step and something is going to go off. Something's going to swing down and hurt you. Something is going to fall over. It's just it was panic inducing honestly. There's police all around us and they lead us over to the stairwell and they said he's up here so go up the stairwell. It should be fine upstairs. We have officers up there working right now. We go up the stairwell and as we're going up the stairwell I can see into the rooms next to us. One room was just wall to wall with mattresses. Still in the plastic. Brand new. Big king size mattresses. Thousands of dollars worth just in this room. Padding the walls, lined around the floor. It looked like he was setting up a soundproof room. As we go on to the next room I can see inside there's three or four officers just taking apart all these guns. It's rifles, pistols, all kinds of different types of guns. They're taking them apart. They're unloading them. They have this huge pile on the floor in front of them, and it looks like they've already disarmed probably 20, and they're still pulling out more guns to disarm and disarm and disarm. What was he doing? What was he planning on doing? This man's just been living in a neighborhood under the guise of, you know, just a lonely old man. But in reality, he's set up all these traps, he's made all these plans, he's got all this survivalist gear. What was he, one, readying himself for, and two, what was he trying to defend himself from in his own home? This guy was just living amongst us, and he had a surplus of weapons and a soundproof room and all these bulk items in his house that he had purchased. At that point, I just wanted to, I was afraid of walking into a trap that they hadn't disarmed. The police don't seem very comfortable at all. It was just a strange overall deal. So we finally got to him. I was definitely nervous because he had set up all these defenses to protect himself. So what's to say he doesn't have something on him to protect his own body, you know, protect himself? And I'm not sure if he's going to be able to get out of there. I made pretty good effort to check him over and make sure he didn't have anything, you know, strapped onto him, anything that he could have hidden, anything that would possibly go off and harm me or anybody else around us. Picked him up. Still have to go back downstairs, down the spiral staircase, maneuver through the house. This time I'm walking out backwards because I'm helping my partner. So she's at the top end of the cot, I'm at the other end. As I'm walking backwards, I just immediately back into this giant stack of boxes and they all just tip over and things come spilling out. I was so terrified that I had just triggered something that was going to send the entire house crumbling down. I froze and my partner, she just, she just looked at me. I don't care anymore. I'm getting out of here. I don't care if I trip a wire. I don't care. The faster I get out of here, the calmer I'll be. At that point, I kind of just started rushing. It got to the point where a police officer had to come up behind me and basically just put his hand on my back and was like, I'm just going to guide you out. It felt genuinely like being in some kind of mental warfare, kind of thing, because you don't know where you go, what you do. If you move the wrong way, if you hit the wrong thing, something could come down out of nowhere. It was like some big labyrinth of just garbage and traps and all this other stuff. When I got out of the house, it was like being underwater and coming up and finally getting air. Then I knew, okay, I'm safe. I had calmed down quite a bit. I finally felt like I could breathe. There was a lot of people crowded outside that had not been there when we got there. And a lot of people were just coming up and asking me like, oh, what's the inside of the house like? So that gave me the impression that nobody had gone in there. To me, it was just strange that like, wow, all these people have probably been looking at this house for, for years and years that this guy has lived here and they've had all these questions and they wanted to know what's going on in there or what was he like? What's the inside like? What does he have? As soon as that started and people wanted to ask me, what's it like? And you know, what happened? What's going on? Just let's, let's get this wrapped up. Let's get back in the car. Let's get back to where we need to go. And then let me clock out for the day. No way. That one, that one was crazy. I think that's one of my favorites so far. That one right there. I mean, booby traps, booby traps are always fun, but they're never the booby trap you think it is. Anyway. All right. Time for the, for the ads to start again. I'm sure to cut me off right as I get into like talking about. This episode is sponsored by better help. There are plenty of reasons we put off getting support. 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