Episode 10 | The Jungle Giants | 23-07-2021

[Music] Hello and welcome to the Green Room, your one-stop shop for all things music, comedy, pop culture and beyond. This is a podcast presented by the Handshake Agency and I am your host Tiana Speater. Thank you so much for grabbing a listen today and I hope your day is being awesome to you, whatever it is you're up to out there. As with the last week or so, apologies in advance for any delightfully loud traffic noise kicking around on the green room at the moment. As lockdown continues in Sydney, the main road I live on has decided to really crank up the traffic noise. And my question with all of that is where the hell are all these cars going when we're supposed to all be at home. But I did remember there is McDonald's not too far from my house so that could explain the very urgent traffic racing past. If anyone driving past me does want to grab me some fries or hot chips or anything like that, feel free to grab them, chuck them up to me to make up for the fact that you're disrupting my business. Disrupting my podcast recording, I will not say no. But let's get cracking to recap. Last week's episode of the green room was definitely one I will not forget in a hurry. Largely because my ads are still hurting from laughter, which just showcases how fit I am at the moment too. I had the pleasure of spending some time with Mark and Broden from Aunty Donna. Hilarity and mayhem did into you but we did also manage to get some good chats in about the guy's history, the upcoming the magical dead cat tour. And Mark and I even managed to nerd out about Mike Patton for a bit, which I don't ever really need much persuading to do to be honest. But if you are having a bit of a crap day and you're in need of a laugh, definitely jump back in episode and grab a listen to that. But before you do that, let's jump into today's episode. Today marks the long awaited release from one of Australia's most engaging and enigmatic bands, with the Jungle Giants dropping their fourth full-length love signs into the world and once again proving no one puts the Jungle Giants in a corner. Starting off life as high school friends and with slightly more indie pop flavours earlier in their career, the Jungle Giants have constantly kept everyone on their stylistic toes, dabbling in post punk, dance rock and beyond with each passing release. And while the industry and fans out in the world have equally adored the band for their bounce and buoyant ways, it's on love signs that the Jungle Giants offer up an incredible antidote to the doom and gloom bubbling away for many of us as 2021 soldiers on. And before the album released and actually just before Paul Orden-Alvin got plunged back into lockdown yet again, I grabbed a moment with Jungle Giants front-end Sam Hales from Melbourne to chart about future live performance plans, balancing expectation with evolution, searching for that new sound. And along the way we accidentally developed three side projects together, including a TV series called Helicopter Fishing with Ili. It's exactly what it sounds like. Let's do this. Alright, well Sam from the Jungle Giants, thank you so much for joining me today ever so remotely, but it's so exciting to have you on the Green Room with me today. Good to be here, the Green Room, I like it. We're spending many, many an hour in the Green Room. Yes, all this for the other one, but it's good to be here. Well, welcome this one, maybe a little bit different to what you're used to, but I hope it will be equally inviting as what you made in the past. I've got less be known than most Green Room's do, so that's what I have to fix that next time. But it's exciting to have you here and I know the world has gone a little bit toxytover again recently for a few of us, especially where I am right now and not so much for you at the moment in Melbourne, but a little bit of excitement that is very much on the brink is the incredible release of love signs your fourth Jungle Giants to your very album. How does it feel to be at this point after such a bizarre year and a beat in the wake of the lead up to this unveiling? You know, it feels absolutely amazing. I mean, I mean, to me, at this point, like, because I made this, I'm pretty much finished this record during Melbourne's like 100 day lockdown, and I was just deep in the weirdest time of my life, but I feel like right now, I feel so set, the music now feels separated from any kind of, any kind of COVID story, because I feel like what it is, it's something that I'm extremely proud of, and it has taken years to get to this point. And I love it so much because it, I feel like making this album actually got me through, you know, some potential really hard times. And, you know, the time, the times were hard, but I feel like this album really, really kind of like supported me, and it's like, this album is my friend. But so I'm so excited to finally get it out because I'm so proud of it. I think, like, I play this so much to my friends, our parties and stuff. They actually, it's driving them nuts. I think now it's time for the public to have it, you know. It's out here now. But that's a really nice way to put it. And I mean, as much as it's obviously come about during a time that's been really, really uncertain, like the really incredible thing is that you guys have had quite the journey. I mean, looking back to the start of 2020, you guys were actually on to our overseas at the start of the year when all of this was kind of kicking off. Like, how does it feel over a year later to be at this point? Like does it just feel like that was a complete different life time ago, considering you are traipsing the world. Totally going around the world. We were in Japan when we when we heard the news. And then we just kind of like ran back home. But yeah, I feel like I, I mean, I'm a positive person. And I, to me, I'm kind of like, I'm not really trying to compare then and now. I'm definitely I miss international touring so much. But I've kind of just changed my attitude now to just being extremely thankful for what I can have. And I feel extremely lucky and Australia to be actually be able to play shows. You know, I can't wait for us to get up these vaccines, but I can sort it so we can actually, you know, not lose the boat, not lose the race with everyone else. But yeah, I mean, I, we've had it relatively and absolutely rock and fucking covered compared to other places around the world. And yeah, I can't wait to go back overseas. But I feel like I've got used this time to make the record. I had extra time to finish the record, which I really needed. And we've luckily been playing heaps of shows weirdly. Like we've been all over the place. Even this year and towards the end of last year. I was like one of festivals, but they've been sick. Like I was in Darwin a couple of weeks ago, I played a really nice show. They have like really sick capacities there was like 16,000 people. And the day before I went helicopter barumundi fishing with Ili, which was like, oh my god, I didn't even know you could do that. But a friend of us like hooked up a helicopter. And there's no doors. There's just this helicopter. You have your fishing rod. And then you kind of just like the helicopter pilot would just look around and point where you can see fish. And then we'd land on this little beach just like wild animals riding a mechanic brumbee. And then we jump out and we grab a beer and then just fish. It was like the best time ever. I feel like I've fought maybe I'm seeing more of Australia than I ever had before because I'm, you know, I'm a domestic guy now. But we all are. And it's good to get around Australia because it actually rules. Yeah, there is there's so many places I haven't seen. I can't say like it feels like helicopter fishing with Ili sounds like some awesome new TV show I instantly want to watch. Yeah, 10 out of 10 will watch that show can't wait for you to pitch it. But I guess that has been the thing like it's been away. It's not I don't want to use the word forced, but it's almost allowed us to kind of cast our gaze. Inwards a little bit more than we ever would have been able to and like even in, you know, various shots of her people are discovering their local. Even not town like they're actually just around the corner like I found a car that is like 200 meters away from me. I know that you existed and yeah, it's wild. But you know, and there is like there you know, sometimes I go I go like overseas and do like a long tour and I get home. And there always be this readjustment of like, oh, back in Australia. And there's these little things that you you kind of reminded that you back in Australia and I've always loved that moment and like I'm back home and like in Melbourne, there's all these little things and I feel like during this time I've discovered all these little pubs and stuff around me and I found this pub in Melbourne called the railway hotel. And to me, it's like the most Australian pub I've ever seen because it's it's like they haven't changed the day course since about 1982. And it's this beautiful old pub is just like a time warp. It's got fireplaces and it's so nice. And I keep thinking that that's like the most Australia place that I've you know that I've ever seen and I just found it during these couple of months and while I've just been chilling in Melbourne. And now I feel like every time I'm from now when I go overseas, to come back to Australia. I'll feel like I'm really back in Australia when I'm sitting sitting at that pub with a beer. Yeah, 100%. Well, that's going on my mast visit when I am allowed out, but it's a really nice thing to come out of it. And another thing too with the album come to life, I know you guys have plans to tour it, and I'm crossing all my fingers and very, very long toes that it will come about. But coming back to the album for a second, I did read that you kind of sequestered yourself into a studio locked self away, embraced a bit of the chaos that COVID kind of made you do. And you've emerged with something truly spectacular, like the album is absolutely stunning, but can you take me through a bit of your creative journey and the lead up, like how much of it did you kind of have in your head or somewhere tangible prior to looking yourself away and creating this? Well, I mean, I haven't a fair bit of it done actually before COVID hit. I was, because heavyhearted to come out, heavyhearted's just about over two years old now. So, and technically that's, you know, that's like a long lead single. So I've been making, I've been making the album and kind of releasing it at the same time, which is kind of unorthodox. Some people do that, but for me, it was a new challenge because it had been a while since our last record, and I was kind of making songs in these batches. And my one hope was that each song that I was releasing would still fit the plan by the time I finished the record. And thankfully it did. And I was kind of playing with a new drum sound when I first released it heavyhearted. And that's still maintained to the end of the record. But so I was kind of making it in these little batches between tours. When we were in the States early 2020, we were in a bus. So it was a sick bus. We were like, we had bunks in there. And at the very back, we had like a, it was like a little chill room with like leather couches and an Xbox. And there was this table there next to this beautiful, massive window that you could open. And we were like driving through like the mountains just past Chicago. And I had this window open and I was just making the record in the back of this bus. And it was like, that was a really fucking cool way to write music like moving. I never, it's usually in a studio like, you know, like not moving. But I like that. So it's like it was written essentially all around the world, mostly in Melbourne at my little studio. But yeah, by the time I kind of went into lockdown and finished off, there was a couple of songs that I finished off the writing, but a big part of it was the production. And so I kind of just call it pre-production. So I would just kind of make sure all the shitty recording guitars sounded good. And I had more time to do it, which is good because I was rushed pre-COVID. I was really rushed. And there was tours coming up and travel. And the time was getting less and less and less that I could actually focus on the music. So I really took that as a blessing that I had more time to just focus on what is most important than that's the music. And it's interesting, like you kind of, you get a vibe that there is that differing thing. I mean, you've got stuff obviously, you've got your bobs and you've got your upbeat stuff, but there is that notice of all journey. So whether or not you've intended to imprint this rushing past of a bus or sitting in a studio somewhere like it does really come across. So that's quite, yeah. And I'm always the person I listen to music while I'm driving, imagining I'm in some, you know, amazingly bad movie. So I'm a big fan of music. Yeah. See, driving and listening to music is awesome. And I've discovered that writing music while driving is awesome. That sounds dangerous, but if someone else is driving you, maybe that could be a new thing is like we could just ask, I could just ask one of my friends just drive me around the city while I'm in the backseat just making beats that could be, oh, I'm mobile studio. Maybe that's a thing. I'll get in my college. Yes, this needs to be an immediate business as well. So TV show and business tick. I'll get Ily to drive the studio while I'm Oh, stop it. That's too perfect. This is great. So we'll we'll coin these businesses after this. We'll hear the producers. It's all good. Yeah. For real. And I guess from that perspective too, by the sounds of it stuff has been in the works and there's been a lot going on while you've been conjuring this album. There's been a bit of time now between your previous album. Did you ever have that whole worry about internal external expectations given how successful the band has been in the past? Like does that kind of stuff play on you at any point at this stage in your career? I mean, you've done it for a long time now, but is that ever something gurgling away behind it all? Well, I mean, total. I think it was it would definitely affect me. I think you're always aware of your career and you're always aware of uh, you know, maintaining and also giving like you need to be releasing music as an artist. I think like there is definitely people people need you need to be hearing you need to be in the sphere. But that used to stress me out more than it does now. When I was a young girl, I used to stress me out a little and I had to learn how to deal with it, how to cope with it because that's not something that you usually, when you first started band, you don't think about those external pressures. But then you learn to cope with them as your career keeps going and I have a really good relationship with the stress of music now I find now. At least I think now because what I do is like focus on the music when I have time to focus on the music and then I focus on uh, you know, release strategies and marketing, social media, all that stuff is part of the job. And by giving it time, like almost a lotting time for it, it doesn't swamp me, it doesn't get over my head, it's kind of one of those things. And so yeah, I mean like I'm conscious as an artist that I want, I want to give my mute, the time I spend making my music, I put in time sharing it as well, you know, because I want as many people as I can to hear it. But yeah, so the pressure is always there, but the stress isn't there as much now because I've just learned how to deal with it a bit more and kind of like learn to cope with it and learn to understand it. And it's just like another part of the job, that's all it is. I think that's the healthiest way to look at it because I think as he said, it is something that is, it goes hand in hand with it and it's, you know, it's not something to be dreaded and it is something that time does also help. I mean, it's like with any job when you first start and you've got all these things. It's all stress. Yeah. Yeah. It's fascinating and I like that you say that and I think it, you know, it gives everyone hope that we all kind of suffer from that, but there is, you know, the more you do it, the easier it gets. So yeah, let's say like you look at it as a, if it is an issue, you've got to look at it as a problem that you can address, you know, other than making it music stressful. It's like, no, no, there's parts of music that are stressful, you know what I mean. So once you address all those little problems and you can learn to deal with them and then find coping methods and, you know, I think, you know, any, any problem can be kind of strengthened out if you just can give it time and attention. Coming up after this short break, Sam and I chart genre labels, positivity, plus Sam shares an extremely neat tip for leveling up your energy in the recording studio that genuinely has to be heard to be believed. Stick around. Steve Bell here. I present the Handshake Agency podcast Rewind. Each series takes you back to a moment of musical heritage as we present oral histories about great albums of our time from the people who made them. If like me, you have a gig like curiosity about your favourite artists, track down Rewind with Steve Bell at thepodcast.com.au, Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your favourite shows. I know with quite ferocity you took over doing a lot of the production stuff and I believe you solely produced and wrote this time round as well. Was that something you just loved so much from the previous experience that it just automatically carried over into this? Like is that another facet that you just find yourself exploring more and more? Yeah, I mean, I've always been writing like the, the jungle music, I write the music, but I didn't always produce and I used to find, I would find myself getting a little frustrated when I was younger, having other producers, but that was before I knew how to produce. I would just have an opinion and I be like, the snare drum's wrong and then you know, this producer that would pay is like, no man, it's right. And then I found that was when I realized, oh my god, if I have an opinion on how this snare drum has to sound, I have to learn the word or I need to learn to describe what I'm after. And then the more time I spent learning how to produce, I was like, oh my god, this is like suddenly now, it's like I've, like I've, the subtitles, I've got the right language finally. I can, I can get people to understand what I'm after if I do it myself. So I also like moving at my own pace and I like having that control so I can write a song, make it sound exactly how I wanted to sound as one. You know, at the same time, that's important to me. I like, I feel like I write and produce at the same time. So that was a natural progression after quite ferocity. That felt amazing for me to be able to make a record, you know, and be able to take the brunt of that stress and that control but be really proud and happy with the results. And then see the reaction that we got from fans, which was awesome. So this time around I did, I wanted to put myself, give myself more like of a challenge, but I also naturally wanted to do this because I feel like I've got more, I've just got ideas for ways that I want to produce all the time. And so I just started, I just started making the record. That's what I, what I was doing, was making demos. And then my manager, when I first wrote Heavy Harded, I'd send it around to the band and they listened to it. And my manager was like, we have to put this out. We have to put this out. And I was like, well, like, okay, like, but you know, maybe I'll keep, I'll keep finishing the record off. It was like, this would be awesome if we put out now. And he was like, it sounds perfect. Like, are you happy with it? And I was like, yeah, yeah. And like I hadn't intended that that was going to be the final product. But so I was like, yeah, actually, you know what? I'm going to re-record this and the tambourine and then I'll just send it. And then I went up to Brisbane and I mixed with a guy called Constantine Curstings, one of my best friends, an amazing guy, amazing engineer. And we just pounded out the song and then put it out. And it was one of our biggest tracks ever. And watching that come back like that, I feel like people were very accepting of the new sound. People were more than accepting that were kind of like, yeah, this is awesome. And I was kind of surprised that no one was like, wow, this is a dance song. But yeah, like people just seem to really, really love it and really, really like kind of believe in it. So that gave me a confidence boost that I was like, I'm onto something here. I'm going to keep producing the way that I feel is right. And then yeah, so I want people to hear that I'm loving what I'm doing. I feel like you can hear that when an artist is having fun and believing in themselves. It definitely translates over. And I think that's what I find so interesting with you guys. I mean, in the past, you've kind of had these different labels thrown at you, like, you know, Indie, Rock, Royalty, Rock, and I love seeing this. And I love hearing. I love seeing the passion that you come out of it. And I mean, it's kind of exciting that you've evolved from teenagers in high school, in a band to the point you are now and to be so confident in what you're doing, but also to be willing to evolve. Because I think I hate labels. I'm in the wrong industry because I hate putting a genre label on anything. So yeah, like, what can you put your finger on then for the jungle giant success in that you've been able to fluctuate and your fans have followed you, like, absolutely adoring it the whole way. Do you think there's some secret recipe here? I do think that a big thing of it, a big part of it, at least like something that's really important to me. And in Trimzik with me is positivity. For me, I love making music and I love spending time making music. And I take it really seriously because I feel like I always need this. There's so much I don't know and I want to keep learning. And I always keep, I maintain that energy into music. I love making music. So I just, I put everything I have into getting better at that all the time. And I feel like a byproduct of that is progressing as an artist. And I've found that the more I tried and the more I tried, you know, I just kind of like put my heart into making music, the more people would understand that they would enjoy that. That would feel that kind of love. That would feel that kind of like devotion. So yeah, I feel honestly, I feel like positivity is a massive part of it. Yeah. And I think there's something to be said for music that has authenticity, but it's still so enjoyable and so relatable at the same time. Like it's so rare that you do have that like, not nothing against, you know, a vapid pop song, but that is definitely not something a jungle giant's song would ever be described as. And it's exciting to say you guys have so much fun, but be just totally in control. And yeah, I mean, I'm a fan. It's no secret, but obviously you have many outside of me as well. Yeah, it's inspiring. I mean, I mean, to come out of high school as well, I was in high school wanting to start a band and we all realized Queen's of the Stone Age were better than us. All we tried to do was grow a Charlotte harmony. So you should know about that stuff. That's the thing. That's the positivity trigger. You can just be like, well, I'll keep going. I'll keep trying, you know, well, I might have to go back in time. I've just held 16, 16 year to Anna. So you're going to have to, I'll come with you. I'll walk out for a while. Oh, God. Oh, this could be better. We'll get elite to host it. It'll be. Time traveling as well. Yes, but the traffic driving you get there. But it's exciting to let not only have you guys had such a long career, but you also recently, I saw it on Twitter, you've just had your tenure anniversary for your first year at EP, the self-titled amazing EP. Made me be it's good that it has been 10 years because it feels like not that long for me. So, um, but I noticed that you put out a caller asking fans to tell you their favorite song from the EP. So I was wondering if I could put that to you. Do you have a favorite from the very first moment? Yeah, for sure. I think the first, I mean, I'm real, I kind of like lost, I forgot about this song kind of. It's been that long since I first EP, but I remember writing that's like a weight. It's a song called like a weight and it's like a really soft, really heartfelt track that a friend of mine recently was like, dude, you have to listen to this song because it's actually, it's good. It was like, I know you were a kid, but he, I think something like he was with someone and he put on the EP, the first EP, just sort of like for like, shits and giggles. And he really liked it. And he kind of talked to me about it. He was like, man, I really like this. Like, what the hell? Like, you know, I haven't, I didn't know John, which I did songs like this, which is a funny thing because like, there's been such a progression. But I really, I really listened to it the other day and I fucking loved it. And it's like, uh, because it was really into Bonnie Ver at the time. And it's like a, it's kind of like, it really kind of Bonnie Ver, record all thing. And it's super sad. And I wrote it about, I break up, I had with a girlfriend at the time. And it's just like super sad. And yeah, that'll be my favorite for sure. It's called Like A Weight. Well, I had to say, I at the time, I was actually moving from Brisbane to Sydney. So it has a real link to Brisbane for me inadvertently, not just because, you know, even though you were in Melbourne, a Brisbane band. But I had Mr. Polite was my jam. I don't, I kept coming back to it. And it just always reminds me that I moved to Sydney for a short term. And I've now been here for 10 years. The entire time your EP's been out, I've been in Sydney. So that's fine. Sydney rules. Yeah, Sydney's awesome. But I think there's so much light and shade on it. It's amazing. Thank you. That's my second favorite for sure. Mr. Polite, like, I mean, changed our lives. That song was like the, the single that kind of like, garnered up a lot of interest for us, you know what I mean? So I love that song. And I love what that song did for us. It ought to be my very close second favorite on the EP. Excellent. That's good. We don't have to share that one, then I can have thought it's my number. Now, it would be remiss of me. Obviously, Jungle Giants, your music is beautiful. There's so much going on with it. But everyone raised about your live show. Like, you cannot read an article. You cannot see a review that everyone's saying you have to see these guys live. So given there's been a little bit of time away from it, I know you've had a few little things yourself that you've been performing lately. But with the upcoming tour to celebrate the new album, is there anything you will see, Crude or special you can reveal about what we can expect from a Jungle Giants show in the second half of 2021? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's one thing like we, I feel we, I feel extra lucky to say this. But we actually have been performing at a lot of festivals during COVID, which is weird to say, but yeah, we're, we're definitely trained up. And one thing that we've wanted to do, we're very appreciative of what we can have now. I think that's like been an important thing. So one thing that we've decided for this album to it is to just, just reinvest so much like we're spending so much on this show. But what we're doing is we're kind of making, we're trying to like, we feel like this music is kind of feels leveled up for the show. It's much more high intensity. There's a lot of dance elements now, which kind of translate really well live. And so we've kind of built this production that is bigger than anything we've ever done before. It's definitely like going to be, it's definitely going to be more dance show. But that's one thing I love. It's going to be kind of like a massive production. And I'm pretty like, I think I, to me, feels kind of leveled up from anything we've done before. And this new artwork that we have has all these crazy things we can do with it. So we're, it's going to, we're going to, I can't reveal too much, but we're going to, we're going to fuck with some props this time. Ooh. This, this, this resonates and excitedly. I love a prop. So this is going to be some props. Yay. And comparing that back to, I believe correct me if I'm wrong, that your first gig was at the Powerhouse in Brisbane. The first time when I was there. To approve how much cool you are. I have also performed at the Powerhouse in Brisbane, but it was with forced compulsory university choir. And I think my mother was in attendance and no one else that I knew. So you're a little bit cooler than me, but comparing that, like, can you take me back to that moment when you walked on stage with the jungle giants for the first time? Like, did you guys know you had something special then and there? Did you have that immediate connection with the crowd and just realize this was something that was definitely going to be of pursuit down the track? I mean, it's kind of funny. Like, when I looked back at the shows, we definitely weren't. We were nervous about playing in front of a crowd, but I do think that the main thing we were thinking was how fun it was between us. You know, I don't think we were planning for anything. Like, I mean, I was putting a lot of time. It's kind of funny when I say that, but what I was doing at the time was I was had our first EP and I printed it to CDs. And then I put a little letter on it trying to explain who I was, knew the band was. And I literally put it under the door of all the venues in Brisbane. I was like, I was hustling. Pustling is fun. But when we were playing, we were just super cute. We were just really enjoying it. I remember our manager when we first met him, he was booking an artist. It was going to be billed as just Sam Hales as an acoustic act. Because that's what I was originally. And then at the time, I was like, you know what? No, I've got this new band going. It's called "Jungle Giants." I'm going to bring the band, but I didn't tell him. I thought I did. So he thought he was walking in to see an acoustic act. But then he said, he saw this band just thrashing around on stage. And when he tells me this story, I always feel like really nice. I think it's really cute. Because we were just a bunch of kids just literally banging around. I mean and it was so fun for us until this day is just as fun and we're all super close. We're really close bunch of friends like we've been we've been friends since we were kids at school and I feel like over the years we've just got closer and closer and closer and yeah I love I love those guys shout out to the jungle giants. Oh shout out indeed like yeah what a bunch of sweethearts. Yeah. I love that so much and I love that it still carries over after all this time but one little thing I wanted to check with you before we start to bring this to a close going back to the album for a moment for love signs. I read an amazing article about a little flourish you had to your full setter and the instigating factor behind that is the story correct that your girlfriend is responsible for your full setter leveling up oh yeah well actually do you know what you know what she did so okay so what she what my girlfriend was doing was she was spanking my bum while is that what you heard so yeah I'd heard I'd heard that that was pretty much at the just the perfect moment sorry is it true it is true that she gave me a spank but what it wasn't for my full setter it was because I was I was doing some takes in my studio and I couldn't get the energy right I couldn't get the vibe right so I called her almost in desperation I was like babe like I'm just like my deadline was that afternoon to finish off my vocals and it just wasn't I just wasn't vibing it and I just needed something and so like called her and she came to the studio with champagne and like I could there was a cowboy hat I'm not sure if she brought it or it wasn't the studio and I just got her to press the space far while I was like you know at the microphone and the more and more takes I was doing she was like giving me like champagne and then at one point she was like come on you go this is she just gave me a little spank and it definitely got like it fired me up so yeah I mean I would you know advise anyone who is can't get the vibe in the studio just get like just get us get a cowboy hat someone to spank you and a little bit of champagne and honestly the vibe will be right. Well the secret recipe I'm taking notes rapidly you're just in case I do go back in time and stop my van but what an amazing also just you're a new best friend because she sounds like someone I would want to hang out with but we can talk about that after. Yeah yeah yeah that's amazing well to finish off today considering I have dragged you into my green room with your upcoming tour as well what is one essential item you will be requiring backstage when you christen love signs in your upcoming tour later this year. I reckon or maybe like a love heart shaped pin yada filled with those little tequila bottles that you can get at hotels. Yeah I reckon it'd be that it'd be that love heart shaped pin yada filled with little mini bar tequila bottles that seems fitting seems seems good. It seems beautiful it's love signs just leveled up to the next jungle giants level. Love signs bit of jungle giants mixed together. Together at last well I think that's going to be a fun time for all and I'm so excited for all our little side hustles we've accidentally started today as well but more importantly huge congratulations on love signs it's absolutely gorgeous and thank you so much for joining me in the green room as well. Thank you so much really appreciate it. While I may have committed to a few too many new projects with Sam today I can stand by the fact that his creativity clearly knows no bounds and there are so many incredible things to look forward to from the jungle giants in the not so distant future. In the meantime the band's fourth album love signs is out in the world as of today whether you need a laugh or a cry or you just need to have an impromptu dance party in your living room this album is something truly special and he's hoping we can all grab a test of it live in action later this year when the band hit the road for their love signs national tour. 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