Ep70 - Miracles with Michelle Davies

Welcome to One Minding. It is with great pleasure that I am joined by the incredible Michelle Davis, also known as the Miracle Worker. In this episode Michelle opens up about her heart centered healing and shares stories of the miracle she has seen. We also dive into her recent discovery of the three principles. So please sit back, relax and enjoy the show. Welcome to One Minding, everybody. It's been a long time since we've had an episode. A lot happened to me since our last episode that we'll talk about another time, but I felt really called to come back and speak with my special guest, Michelle Davis. I found her on the deling pod and you'll either know what that is or you won't if you don't check it out, and her work really resonated with me. I'd been through something that I felt I needed some help with and then we connected and then from there we've become colleagues and friends and Michelle's become interested in the three principles, so we thought we'd come on and have a chat. So Michelle is known as the Miracle Worker and I can confirm and I'd just like to hand over you to you, Michelle, for you to tell everybody a little bit about you that may know nothing about you and maybe to elaborate a little bit for the people that do. Thank you so much. I'm really excited to be with you in this space today because we have made a connection and I think that we can have a really good conversation to share with your listeners. So yes, if I just say a little bit about myself, being in practice for 28 years and prior to that I trained as an osteopath for four years. In latter years I've been working with biofrequency and I've published a couple of books, Miracle Worker was the first book and then Mental Clarity is the second book. Miracle work at the title came from patients reporting miracles when they came to see me, so I actually thought that it would be a really good title but it's a kind of whistleblower book. There's a big story behind that but maybe you'd like to read it and you can find that out for yourselves. I've treated maybe in over 57, 58,000 consultations over 28 years and I work with babies that would be one or two days old or one or two days young I should say all the way through to people in their 90s and I use my hands in private practice. I work in Harley Street in London through demand because I had so many patients that were traveling to me from either Europe or south of the country and I work in Herifiture which is where I'm from. I'm from Worcester, I'm Bromyard, so I have a practice there too and I work virtually now using the biofrequency which means that I can now work with people all over the world and I'm helping people in over 25 countries which is fantastic because I haven't had the ability or the technology to be able to do that before but now because I'm using a Sylex AOScan technology it's enabled me to bring my approach and help people worldwide through podcasts as well with being able to reach people this way so that they can understand perhaps there is help out there because I'm treating more and more patients with mental ill health but from a physical cause and I'm doing more in this area and trying to encourage people to look into mental health issues not necessarily being an emotional mental problem but actually being a physical issue with the brain health and the nervous system. I think that's me in a nutshell. Yeah I think it's amazing because obviously in the Prince was well I mean it would still be classed as thought we look at everything as thought so even the brain health would be made of thought but what's fascinating is that when you had your hands on my brain how you linked into concussion as a child a lot of things that actually were still stuck in my system and I can only say that in my first consultation the feeling I had was very similar to the ones that I've had when I've had a deep insight through the principles and I've had these awakenings and you there was some access to that via your work and I felt that in the room with you and then it felt like there was this clearing within my mind and you know after I'd had obviously I've had an accident and I did still feel like there was something blocking me and it feels like whatever that was in my mind was unblocked and it's quite interesting because people in the Prince was well can get quite stuck that there's only thought and you know you just have to see thought in your okay and yes to a certain extent I did have that experience many years ago of waking up to thought and my mental health recovered so well but I think these can go hand in hand I think there's a beautiful symmetry to what you do in the principles and it was really interesting that you know it was on the second session you actually ask what I did because of how I was clearing and it was it really resonated with you so I want to ask you about that as well what was it that you felt and you saw that kind of really kind of speak your interest because when I put my hands on your head I'm I'm feeling through the glimphatic system some feeling through the skull bones the tissue around the brain and this flow of fluid and it's a frequency that I'm feeling within the tissues and I can rate it from like 0 to 10 not being that there's virtually no flow up through to 10 where the flow is amazing and it's like that is godlike that's light the highest frequency vibrance beautiful feeling and it can be the other underwear is zero and it's very heavy dark feels suffocating and I'm able to feel this because of my training it's a skill I've been using it for so long that I can put my hands on your head and I can feel where you're at and make also kind of predictions about maybe what you might be suffering with or struggling with and what amazed me about putting my hands on you and feeling you in that moment that you felt so low in a form of frequency and vibration which I knew was from an injury that you had sustained and there was a concussion that was present in your head your brain your brain tissue it was it was like a brain injury and it felt so dense but then something extraordinary happened with you within such a short period of time you went from 0 to 10 like I was in awe of that because to feel someone go so rapidly through this scale kind of blew my mind in that moment being with you and I thought oh my goodness and it felt like there was this presence in the room like I was being helped you were being helped were being guided there was something there's some other external force in that room and that and it's really hard to put words to it but I felt something incredible with you and I was so intrigued with how that could happen and then I was really curious as to know more about you because you've had this rapid transformation in a period maybe of 10 minutes and that's when I started to ask you about what it is that you do because I find that the people that do do the inner work they can rapidly transform because they've like paved the way for me to do the work with my hands because when you have been injured to your brain and your nervous system and it is blocked I think it's extremely difficult to unblock that yourself but once you've had a helping hand in unblocking that which allows the flow of the cerebral spinal fluid which is what cleanses your brain when you've had a helping hand with that and you've done the previous work which you've done you can get this incredible release yeah but yeah I really did feel it when I was with you as well it did feel like this this kind of elevation this rush and I do you know I put it down to the the principles because there was many years before that that I did live in quite a higher state of consciousness of of really kind of allowing thought I was really shocked when I had an accident and this thing happened to me and then it was you know I went to a very dark place and then I came out of that but there was still something not quite right which is what you picked up and that you cleared it and I think it's such a testament to your work and to the principles because they were both in the room at the time and I think that was the the ability was because the thought wasn't getting in the way so much there wasn't the heaviness of my personal thinking getting in the way I mean that it was there but it wasn't as sticky so when I work with you it's like that thinking's really sticky and the less sticky it gets the more we can release it the better you feel and it was like the the accident caused something to stick that you that again I couldn't do it myself and you did it and and I liken it to when I speak with my clients around the mind and so you it's we can't always do it ourselves it's like trying to tickle ourselves it doesn't work and so for what you do and for what I do there you know that third party is the the conduit the catalyst for the change and there was just something so profound in the experience that I had with you that I was like oh yes she lives up to her name thank you you're welcome you're welcome it is a collaboration though isn't it like I can't do it all you can't do it all but when we come together to support the patient in their healing then why would they not be able to self heal it's all about the self healing that we've got within every single one of us we've got that divine power and when you're talking about the stickiness I feel that when I've got my hands on the cranium the stickiness to me is the cerebral spinal fluid which has been damaged injured and it's the toxicity that is in that part of the brain which causes the stickiness it's so I feel it as that dense sticky horrible feeling it's like I say things like you've got something between the ears it's just like a feeling of fullness where it can feel a mass is in the way and how I explain that to patients is that that mass of fluid which is inflammation it's free radicals it's toxicity if that is left it can create toxic thinking so the toxic thoughts can come literally from the toxins that are coming off the brain which is normal but they're meant to be cleaned away but if you leave toxicity and you're not having enough antioxidants then the free radicals are completely overpowering the antioxidants and we get this toxicity of thoughts which then creates the toxicity of our actions which causes toxic habits and behaviours yeah it's it's interesting because we you know for all the wonderful spiritual explorations for the you know the principles other things like it that you said you loved Michael Singer and it reminded you of that that that book so these are all wonderful and they can create amazing change but we do have a dense physical body we are in this kind of material world and it just makes sense that that material can get clogged up can get sticky so can you talk about maybe a case where you've really seen something truly in your eyes that was miraculous that there's been such a profound change in somebody from your work I'm sure there's many but but one that really stands out yeah there are many so I've got select yes like a selection of ones that stand out I suppose I've witnessed something incredible healing responses but one particularly with using frequency so this is completely remotely using the scan technology which would then be quantum physics so me not having any hands in this which is new for me only in the last couple of years not having my hands on someone to kind of promote this healing response but using the technology with a lady who was in hospital who had been given 72 hours to live and she was told that because she'd had a stroke that if she hadn't if she survived the 72 hours then she wouldn't walk normally taught normally and eat normally again and so I scanned her in hospital when I say scanning I used segment of a voice so 10 seconds of her voice with a photograph of her and her height and her weight and her date of birth and it scanned 2000 frequencies in her voice and picked out 12 notes and four of those notes the most out of balance created music to be able to pay back to the patient which was having then this frequency response within her I was able to remotely work with her on half a dozen occasions six scans and after 111 days she walked out of hospital and she was talking normally eating normally and she walked out with a stick but she walked out and then within maybe about a month or so she actually then came to the practice in Harley Street she walked up a flight of stairs and lay on my couch for some hands-on work so that is miraculous that's a combination I would say of prayer which is high frequency and the technology which again is working with her frequency and the other case is then where I've used hands-on was again actually going into a hospital where a lady couldn't feel and couldn't move her lower extremities her legs so what she would have described as a kind of paralysis she was actually diagnosed with a functional neurological disorder she'd been in hospital though and there wasn't a sign of her coming out because she couldn't move from her her waist down so I went to do a visit with her in hospital because she was low-caughting me even the way that that came about was extraordinary and was definitely guided so I went in and placed my hands on her and started working with her and I found a brain injury I found a trauma to her brain which was exacerbated by other factors such as trauma and vaccinations for the toxicity from the vaccines but I found this congestion of cerebral spinal fluid and started to work with that and helped unblock her and I left within 10 minutes of me leaving I received a video to my phone as a message from the daughter with the mother-in-law sitting on her hospital bed moving her toes and she hadn't been able to move her toes and her right foot for several years at this point and she wasn't in hospital for for that long this is like a recent episode but the history of it was that she didn't have function in that right leg and then I went to give another treatment this would be a week later after that treatment miraculously she walked 10 meters I went back and I gave another treatment did some more unblocking by which time then I felt that I'd done enough for her anyway within those three sessions and then she was able to walk out of hospital it was extraordinary it was a miracle and that was through unblocking this cerebral spinal flow of fluid and mixed with other things though like grounding and visualization and prayer and listening to the frequency music and what you were touching on earlier about the Michael singer but this sort of suggestion to people about the power of now and being present in the moment and using visualization to help with the process of healing I actually encouraged her to close her eyes and visualize her feet moving and visualize her walking that was part of her recovery was her faith in her seeing herself walk again she was so determined to leave that hospital that is what made a big big difference and I knew I could work with her from the day one of messaging with her because she said she was going to be walking out of the hospital and I knew that I just I had someone here that I could work with and it it worked because of a combination of her faith her belief her discipline her motivation and the work that she would do in between the sessions so yes that there are a couple of examples but honestly every day with every patient I put my hands on the healing is extraordinary and it's like there is another presence with me like the Holy Spirit is working through me I believe in nature I believe in God but even the creator, source, universal intelligence and it's like something is working through me in it to enable somebody to heal and I it's like I'm not doing this myself kind of using my hands at my skill but there's so much more to it than just that I love it I love that yeah and and same I believe in all those things and and then immense power of the mind that I don't even think we as humans kind of really access even for us I mean I think we probably only access a fraction of the power I think it goes way beyond anything we could possibly imagine and I think we're working towards that but you know it's so amazing to me that that you know we know we're conduits even when I'm speaking to some if I'm with a client what comes through in words is not coming from my personal mind there's something there's a guidance there there's something coming through that's deeper and I can't get on on a call with a client with a script you just wouldn't work it's always just going to be what comes through to just what needs to be said and even to the point where sometimes a client says can you repeat that and I go I don't know what I've said that's why I say to some people you can record the session if you like it would be a lot easier if you record it though funny but you know there is this power this this source energy and what I love about the principles is that they they're they give us some kind of formula some explanation some divine technology of what's actually going on they really give us this mind consciousness still this this way to access this creative potential and the way that there's a enlightened man called Sid Banks you know looking to him he founded the principles he had an enlightenment experience and then over time he formed it into these three principles but his first experience was seeing thought like the the power of thought and when you're speaking about that second lady her the power of thought in her experience and there's so much there to uncover to see that we we really misuse this gift that we've been given of thought and I'd like to ask you because you seem to instantly resonate with the principles because I told you about them and then as soon as you listen to it was I'm in my car and oh my god so what was it that you heard like I'm really interested in that well because through my own self-development like where I'm at now with the work that I'm doing I started with osteopathy but there wasn't the spiritual side to osteopathy when I was training that's 32 years ago my self-development then started when I left the college or in a left university and I would have read the power of now and his conversations with God and Michael Singer and hearing you speak about the principles I hadn't I didn't know there was this the three principles or the three pillars and I didn't I didn't know about Sidney Banks either and I couldn't believe that I hadn't heard of him and the three pillars because so it just resonated so much with me as like I could just feel it in my heart and I had to I had to stop the recording and message you immediately and I just couldn't wait until the end of the journey I just thought no I need to pull over I need to stop I need to message you straight away because I just felt so connected so connected to you and to him and to the the three principles and reflecting upon my approach within my practice is very similar we're just we're perhaps using different words to explain it but I work with a model and there are three points to the model which is flow frequency and focus so you could look at the focus being the divine consciousness and the frequency and the flow being divine mind and divine thoughts and it's this it's it's so similar the parallel parallels within your work and my work but it was just using a different language to explain it it's just extraordinary yeah I couldn't believe that there were people like you that would be there to support my patients who'd have the time like a mentorship and a type of counseling where people could spend time with you talking about thought because it's something that I talk about within the treatment room and make suggestions but I don't really have the time to spend talking about thoughts and consciousness and it was just amazing then that I had this person you but I'd be able to refer patients to that would have the time to spend talking about it because I really believe that everything starts from thought it begins with somebody's thought everything has to start with a thought everything that's ever been created starts from thoughts to take and explore that with you in such detail on a call with you or be in presence with you it could be extraordinary for the patients that I'm also treating that I don't have time to do that and I think the two of us together helping a patient to be their divine best version of themselves could could be extremely powerful and that's why I just had to pull over and think we need to collaborate and we need to do it now I don't want any of my patients to you thank you I mean you know I feel so blessed and connected to you and so thankful for you know the referrals and the work that we're going to do together what was really funny and for me was that I got home from the second treatment having given you the information around the principles of my podcast and Sydney banks and I spoke to my mom and I was like I got home I was like oh my god I keep getting I've got to do a retreat with her but she knows nothing about me or what I do and then when you message the next day you give a saying about oh my god this is brilliant I love it you know we've got to connect and then the next message was by the way we've got to do a retreat together and I was just like oh wow you know when you talk about guidance and you talk about the connection it was it was such a Easter egg for me it was it was such an acknowledgement of what I felt the day before was reflected in your feeling too and that we had this connection definitely and yeah that filled me up as well because I'd literally just thought about the retreat and that you and I being together on this retreat would be so powerful for people and we were thinking about that at the same time so it will happen it will we are creators yes very much so yeah yeah but again oh can you tell your story about the week later and being at the rugby because that's amazing as well yeah so I hadn't heard of Sydney banks as I just said and then I went to a rugby game I was invited into a hospitality box and there was another guest there there was a group of about 30 of us and happened to be then sitting next to one of the guests it was his first match he'd been to he was invited similar to myself and he mentioned Sydney banks had I heard of Sydney banks maybe I would like to look at his YouTube videos I couldn't believe it like well yes I have heard of Sydney banks and I have been watching his videos on YouTube how extraordinary and it was within days of having the videos from you that you'd sent to me to to watch so again I knew that I'm on the right path it was confirmation that we are collaborating together and we will how patients be their divine self I just love how it works yes I just love that you know my my retreat little message and you sitting at the rugby and getting that confirmation and the other thing is like the principles of such a revelation like for me when I found them and I'd been you know I'd lived in India and I'd been the seeker and I you know I'd studied all these different spiritual understandings and and which years later that suddenly these principles appeared and Sydney banks appeared I was like how have I never heard of it and I hear that so often and you echoed it as well it's like suddenly it just appears at the perfect time yes you know you're on track don't you yeah yeah and then that confirmation at the rugby it's it's it's kind of mind blowing and and I think when we're open that's everywhere that those confirmations in life those connections those serendipitous they're actually in everyday life it's just that we get so closed down that we don't see them and I think this your work my work this opening up is suddenly you're you're aware you see the threads that run through everything that we're we're we're always getting these little messages these little confirmations that we're going in the right direction I'd also say after having quite a not what I call it a negative experience or difficult experience in the accident last year and I'm what followed with that is that even that's part of it too though sometimes we just go through these difficult times and if you are listening and you are going through a difficult time there there is hope there is light afterwards and these difficult times often come to teach us something they connect us they you know I probably wouldn't have ever met Michelle if I hadn't gone through that time there's other things that have come out of this this dark time that have brought more light into my life so we're going to get all of it the principles aren't about you're going to find them and you're going to be happy every day of your life forever that that isn't what it is but it does give you a grounding and an understanding you're generally be happier a lot more often but it also gives you something that you know is there that has your back that guide you through a system that will guide you through the dark days too and I think we're all kind of or have been looking for something that's going to cure thought or get us to be able to control thought but actually it's in the allowing of it it's in that knowing knowing no thought has any power over you it only has the power that you give it and the belief in it is only your belief a thought is neutral and I think there's something that when I first saw that when I first came across the principles 12 13 years ago it was a revelation for me because up until then it's like I need to meditate to control thought I need to have better thinking there was always something for me to do with thought and then suddenly this release of oh well there's nothing for me to do with thought I just have to allow it and in the allowing we stop the resistance to the thoughts that we don't want and then they stop showing up as much because we're not giving them any energy or in any power and with your work and with these principles it's like suddenly we can just live in a really new way of what it means to be a human being yeah letting go is part of that isn't it way you're just sitting with the thought observing it and allowing it to pass and it's just it's letting go and it's a really hard thing to do and if you get to that point where you can accept see it observe it and allow it to pass let go I I talk about affirmations and prayers and with patience I also try and help them by saying if they have got a lot of thought that they're not finding easy to let go of or to accept or to clear I use the heropona opopra and I just encourage them whether they're religious whatever religion they are or spiritual or just non religious or spiritual if they can just say four things I am sorry please forgive me thank you I love you and sometimes it's useful if you can't just sit with the thought and observe and allow it to let go and to flow I find that that can be of benefit to some people to use that as a prayer and then it allows the thought to pass by but and then yes seeing every downfall as an opportunity if at all possible so when things are seeming so devastating so upsetting but to find the opportunity within it because where the opportunity is as where the growth is and wherever we are we're only here because of the mistakes that we've made because of the injuries and the traumas that have actually happened to us we get out the other side as a higher being with a clear mind with clearer thought and we can achieve more and help more people heal we're all healers and every time we're in contact with somebody else we're helping them heal if our frequency is high enough and I do my very best to maintain a high frequency so that if people come into my presence into my treatment room within the space that I'm holding that I can freely help them to be their best self because they can take from me in that sense that they can step into that light step into that frequency and enable self healing we are all affecting each other because we are all connected there is not a difference between us there's we're not separate we are connected what I do affects you what you do affects me and that prayer is so powerful because the prayer is actually about healing the other people not really about yourself it's it's helping others to heal and I started using that in my practice over 10 years ago and the miracle started happening as soon as I started to use that prayer which also means that while I'm using the prayer I am being present and I'm I'm just sitting with my presence because I'm saying the prayer and I'm able to listen at the same time to the patient at the same time I'm saying this prayer in my mind because I realize that I have to help other people be their best version and I need to be able to clear myself and clean myself it talks about this through the book the prayers from the book zero limits and it talks about cleaning cleansing ourselves in order for other people around us to heal at the time when I read that I that shocked me as well because I thought how am I responsible for all these patients coming to me that's a big responsibility but then I saw that I needed to give it a go try it which I did and then the miracle started happening and I started to think okay yes it is about this it is about healing other people through me clearing myself so when I work on my own thought my frequency and I can be better to assist others yeah I love that and I love that prayer I've probably been I don't use it as often but it's been in my life for probably about ten years as well straight yeah I've got the book zero limits I I used to do it a lot and then I go off don't do it for a while and then I come back to it again and sometimes I tell my clients to use it in fact recently I've been giving it out a little bit more and I think again it's it's these higher vibrations it's it's how how people remember who they really are and I think being in your presence or when people speak to me and we're sat in that vibration it's a recognition it's a recognition within them sometimes I feel like I don't even it maybe if we didn't even speak so if I'm with a client and there wasn't even a conversation would there still be a shift because actually you're just sitting pointing in the direction of home pointing the in the direction of truth of who we really are before who we think we are because everything's made up about us we've made it all up and and it's so fascinating when that starts to unravel and that just unravels by looking by our deeper awareness so when we explore these understandings a deeper awareness comes in and it's within that observation of the self that the self then starts to unravel starts to look different starts to be taken less seriously and the other thing that I love which is what you pointed to was that your osteopathy training didn't contain any god didn't contain any any spirituality or anything pointing to what where the human experience comes from and I feel like that about psychology and I feel like what Sid brought was he built a bridge so we do look at the mind I do sometimes you know or actually quite often look at what the person's mind is saying but it's then taking their hand and and bridging them over to to god to truth to to the energy behind life and that can be anything like you know it doesn't matter what what religion or no religion or where someone's coming from everybody can see there's something deeper there's there there is something creative there's something there's some perfection in the design and even if you can just see that you can start to wake up and I think it's pointing to there and then you're working in my work that has such healing powers and that's so lost in all the other things that just seem to focus on the material body or what the mind is saying so the principles yeah we look at what the mind is saying but it's much more wow you have a mind oh wow your mind says things oh well where does that come from and that creates such a shift in the perspective and in the understanding of who we are as a human being and what it means to be a human being because we've been programmed to live in a material world you know materialism and science has become a god and it's not and we have to bring it back to this this true essence this there's something beyond us there's something that we're made of that is so beautiful and so powerful and so divine and and just start that journey for yourself because when you do there's there's such riches within that and it's nothing to do with the riches in the material world no I mean with osteopathy it dates back to 1874 and divinity has been deliberately removed wow you know the founder of osteopathy in 1874 Dr. Andrew Taylor still he said osteopathy is the child of god god is the father of osteopathy and it was a spiritual practice and he was treating disease and illness not musculoskeletal issues that osteopathy would be treating now so he would be treating pneumonia infections meningitis diphtheria and he was saving more lives rather than the the the other surgeons he was a surgeon at the time than the other surgeons actually were just experimenting with drugs so it's been the the spiritual side has been deliberately removed by science and osteopathy is the science and an art but it's they did take the divinity the god aspect out and it was not taught through the four years of the degree course it was very structural and I've just been inquisitive and with my Catholic upbringing started to question religion and osteopathy as well in my spiritual aspect and how did it all fit together but it's interesting what you're saying because it's it's definitely been removed because the pharmaceutical industry don't benefit from people healing themselves and from the work that you're doing the work I'm doing is to empower people and you know remove blockages and help them heal themselves which they're capable of but they have been indoctrinated and manipulated and coerced into thinking something entirely different that that is outside of them rather than inside and the power lies within us within all of us if we give it an opportunity and we create the right conditions in the environment then we can heal but we have to take that responsibility and the pharmaceutical industry has encouraged not to take responsibility and just to take a tablet and take a pill and and have some therapies which will be the the psychiatry industry and it's no wonder people continue to stay sick but it is as we know the sickness industry the health industry is where you and I work yeah the big difference and it's yeah it is a spiritual warfare that we are living in we really are it's it's really interesting with with both our work because you know with the principles it's very much waking people up to their own power there's no there's no room for a victim there's no old you know obviously we can empathise with the human experience you know we do go through things but it's really pulling people out of that into their own power you know you're you're not a victim you have something within you that is godly you know you're made in the you're made in the image there's there's something there and and explore that because it's it's almost as if you know especially in our society the programming of victimhood and how stuck that keeps people there's there's just there's no room I remember this was quite a while ago you know freed the covid rubbish and all of that it was I remember watching it like my mom had a morning show on or something and and the guy was on then he was like would this happen to me 20 years ago and I'll never be over it and I know I'll be a victim of it for the rest of my life and it was when I just found the prince was not like oh my god no that's such an untruth but look at the stories that the mind can create the mind creates these narratives and and then the people people believe and get wedded to these stories and live as if they're true and actually they're just an inside into thought an inside into your work or on my work will wake someone up to see that oh wow everything's coming from me I have everything within me I need I have wellbeing I have peace of mind I have joy I have happiness it may be covered by a lot of personal thought and but and someone may not feel that but that's the truth of who we really are and something that's really interesting is when I do work with people I I make a point that I never see them as unwell I just refuse they maybe have symptoms of being unwell they may be presenting certain mental habits that are keeping them stuck but I try to see what's beyond that what's beneath that because people aren't used to that being seen in them either they're not used to being seen as divine godlike beings that that have everything within them that they need to heal and be okay and I think even that in itself is something that's quite different yeah a lot of the patients who I see feel validated for the first time and it makes a huge difference to their recovery because they have felt that it's just in their head nobody can understand them and then they realize that it's quite simple you know that there's been an injury or a trauma and once it's cleared and then they work on their thought then they can actually get better there isn't actually something that's fundamentally wrong with them and that there's no blame it's not their fault not anybody's fault and to be validated is really important isn't it I think something that's really freeing and it was freeing for me because when I came across the principles my mental health wasn't great and I studied therapies I was actually a naturopath I had a chomyopathic clinic I had done all of that that was my history and then I had a breakdown and I was in that for quite a while and that left me with anxiety and depression it was quite a shock as well coming from the world that I came from to have that experience and then suddenly the principles were were just I had a huge insight into thought and I had a complete awakening and my mental health issues just seemed to dissolve they just went away and I remember one of the things that I found so helpful was that my thinking was I wasn't responsible for my thinking my thinking said nothing about me the worst sort that I could have didn't actually say anything about who I was as a person and I'd given myself such a hard time because I'd had such kind of disturbing thinking at times during my breakdown and my mental health issues that when I came out of it and I saw that as a truth and I think that's really important we see things as true because we can kind of get them intellectually but there's a deeper seeing of truth and a knowing that Sid Banks talks about where things really begin to change and I really saw that oh that that's nothing to do with me I'm just excuse it's like almost like we have a radio and this thought comes and goes these radio waves and we pick up what we pick up and I think that kind of goes back to the frequency that you're speaking about and and I think when we can actually detach and observe that thinking as not ours we're not we're not feeling guilty or we're not feeling shame and shame such a toxic thing to feel about the thoughts in our own heads because we're not choosing it if we're choosing thinking we'd be like I'm going to have this thinking today I'm going to have that thinking tonight but we'll be choosing this amazing thinking 100% at the time and nobody gets that we all get out unhelpful thinking from time to time but when you can detach and observe that and know that it's not personal there's a real freedom a real ability to not take your thinking so seriously which is such a help to the human experience yes I mean the timing of this is again extraordinary because I only had a conversation in text messaging with a patient a couple of hours before now and he's a patient that suffered with mental health severe anxiety and doesn't want to be here doesn't want to be alive and I've been supporting him recently and I asked him to do a piece of work which is called mind sync it's using technology that works with your subconscious and it's actually you record yourself saying positive affirmations and you hear them back to yourself explain to yourself with an eight hertz difference between the left and the right ear which acts to like recondition your thinking and I'd asked him how he was getting on with it and he said I'd listen to it once and I can't stand it I can't stand listening to my voice lying to myself and so I waited a while on that and I before I replied and I actually made the suggestion because I know he's devout Christian as well and made the suggestion that the thoughts he was getting in his mind that were telling him that that was all a lie and that he it was almost it was a disgrace that he could hear himself lying to himself for you some pretty explicit words like he hated what he was hearing and I just proposed that maybe that voice wasn't coming from God it wasn't coming from source it was actually coming from the opposite which would be demonic or satanic whatever you want to think about it darkness rather than light wherever wherever you're comfortable to think with that but I just made the suggestion that made me that voice that he was hearing that was telling him that his voice stuck to high heaven about the things he was saying not in these words but that's and I thought oh no I hope I've said the right thing to him because he is wonderful and I hope that he's received what I've said in the love that I'm giving it to him and his reply was remarkable he said yes I agree I can see where those thoughts are coming from and they were not mine I have since been listening to the mind sink and I found it really helpful wow yes and I was not expecting that and I and I sent the message with a little bit of fear because I thought I am being really bold and abrupt and direct but he received it with the kindness that I sent it and amazing that he could actually see that that voice in his head it wasn't his and it wasn't coming from God it was coming from the opposite source yeah it's it's amazing because as soon as we see the that we we get that shift that gap between us and our thinking we logic comes in you know the the logic says to be able to see that and really there's only one in my opinion there's one thing he needs to see which is thoughts that aren't true now if you really deeply saw that he wouldn't even need anything else it would be oh wow okay this really isn't true I've read this wherever it's coming from it's made up you know whatever saw she think it is yeah it's not true it's a transitory experience it's like clouds in the sky they just come and go and I think yeah that could be its wake up today there yeah that little text information could be the wake up too that's actually not mean yeah yeah we had an insight he did have an insight and that's what the principal is a based on and they can come from anywhere from a bold text from listening to a podcast from going for a walk in the woods from listening to said banks from a conversation with you are right and it's like for me it's like the seeds are there the seeds within all of us absolutely and and you know if it's just in that moment where it blossoms because for me it was it was I traveled the world to find this thing called enlightenment and whatever happened happened to me in my childhood bedroom in Essex not in India not in Asia not in a temple you know when I had my first real what I would call my real awakening it was the last place I would have expected to have it but what that also showed me was it isn't external it's it's truly internal there's nothing in the outside that's going to create it when we're ready we'll wake up and that's another thing is that we we can connect with people and the right people will find us and there can be someone that you know we want to get it and they just won't because they're not ready you know everybody is where they're supposed to be and that's quite wonderful because then we come out of this idea that we have to do this thing to help everybody well no we just share it's like for me like an expression I can express this and it will connect exactly who it's meant to connect with and no one else just who it's meant to connect with that could be one people a hundred people a thousand people ten thousand people that's not up to me my job is just to share and that sharing is what's important and also just to shine your lights just being present as well isn't it because it's what you can't see what we can't see was all around us yeah well it is in the invisible yes I mean we clunk around in the material and we think we know everything is that no no no no no no trying our best are we to get ridged to try and explain all those podcasts now it's like it's just it's not enough but it's as much as we can bring to the listeners isn't it as best as we can to try to explain to try to help and like you said it might just be something that someone needs to hear in this moment and time and it will inspire them and it will impact their life in some way and that's why we're here today isn't it having this conversation we are here to help empower people yeah very much that they can self heal and self-repair and there are different approaches but we can come together and support each other to help everyone and raise humanity shine more light yeah there's help and there's hope and then a lovely metaphor that I really like is that you know pointing to truth is that pointing to fire with ice the closer you get the less there is to point with yes absolutely yeah so sometimes in conversations it's just you can just sit in silence and there's so much richness in it because the words are pointers that's it their pointers the truth is in the feeling that the feeling I've had when I was with you the feelings that you get when you found the principles and and in other ways the the feelings that you've had throughout your work the feelings that I have with clients or with my personal insights it's it's the feeling that really is the indicator because in the feeling we just fall out of all those concepts all those ideas and as you say go back going back to the presence we just get truly present and then we're truly present where we're absolutely fine yeah oh it's been so lovely to speak with you and you're the time that's flown by no idea what the time is it's five to five to three so it's been 55 minutes wow I could talk for another hour be terrible so we definitely have to do it again yeah I'd love to do it again because I think there's so much that yeah there's so much to share so much for people to hear and you know we've really you know on your work and my work we've really just scratched the surface I mean that there's so much there's so much depth to what we both do and you know I feel really really privileged to have connected with you and for you know for this guidance and this essence to have actually shown us both that there's something in our work that really resonates and you know so quickly I mean we've only had very brief time together but it was just yeah it's the unspoken word isn't it yeah actually like there's such a gravity and a weight to be unspoken we haven't needed to yeah great point we haven't the fire and ice yeah it's and you never know where it's going to go I'm really got clients go I want to do it yeah but it's it's it's the beauty of the unknown and I think that's something as well that you know for people listening we really get caught up in wanting to secure things and lock them down and make this future a safe kind of identifiable structured thing and it isn't and we and we really truly have to begin to open up and see that the unknown is a beautiful thing and it can contain things that we've never dreamt of and connecting with you is one of the thing that I never dreamt would happen a lot of these things we can't see coming yeah yeah so anyone interested these are Michelle's wonderful books we have miracle worker and we have mental clarity so that's from Michelle's side and her work I mean it's hard to describe you call yourself Osso but you're you're really I mean I'd just say a healer just an amazing wonderful healer and and the techniques you use just really shift people out of the density and the stickiness that we're talking about and then Sid Banks wrote some books he's no longer with us the founder of the principles but he wrote the Enlightened Gardner which is wonderful that's a story that he wrote and then the missing link is another book and that's just him more writing in prose so he just talks about the principles which is really really lovely and a book that I usually have to hand but haven't is Michael Neill's in the Inside Out Revolution it's such a great starting point for anybody interested in the principles I will put all your details underneath the podcast for anybody that wants to contact you I highly recommend going to see Michelle I think it's a wonderful experience and as you said actually I think that most people have some kind of concussion even if it's from when they were children so you know it's really worth doing that and if you'd like to speak with me my details will be on there too and keep your eyes out for a retreat and I will leave you with the last word Michelle is there anything that you'd like to say just thank you to you and the listeners and maybe there's just something that you can take from the time we've spent together in your self-healing yes yeah thank you very much I really appreciate it thank you by listeners thank you for being here thank you for listening bye yeah yeah [BLANK_AUDIO]