Ep138 - Is the Philippines Ready for Nuclear Energy?

'Tapos na siya, the fuel hasulay delivered na sa lebas na nang planta. Ito pasukalam. 'Chinector ang IAA twice. It was able to test it running without the fuel. But then two things happened. Unfortunate things. So the Chernobyl accident. Akala nang mga adviserslipori. Nakaramiya nang mga ganos yunatanya. Da. Jobar aroyo. Fuming fell. 'Tapos ng IAA twice. Unfortunate things. Jobar aroyo. Fuming fell. 'Tapos ng IAA twice. 'Tapos ng IAA twice. And nuclear power plant has two lived in regulators. Like in the U.S. 94 plant. The coal plant was able to test it running without the fuel. Welcome to Behind the Science Podcast. New episode every Thursday at 7pm. Hispanic kids, so it was not only a science training, but I had a very in-depth experience of the through American life in the city, even the difficulties and the good things. So I like America, and then I met there, one of my favorite high school idols, the famous jazz pianist, Bon Penera, because I played guitar, I played jazz guitar, and then Bon Penera was the biggest name, and I met him in Chicago, and he became friends, and he was there for four years, and he just came back, so he's now here. So I'm trying to see if I can play with him again. So. In our audience, we met Dr. Kalee Palano, he was the only band in the Nigs, he was the lantern parade and come back by event and sunnings. Anna, tell us where is Anna in the band? Actually, it's called the Ancon for me the band. The Ancon founder actually by itself. But I mean, the driver of the N.C. Dr. Mario Raleo who plays the drums. And we had a job used to die. Ray Flores who was my batch mate. That's a real honor for me the band now. But they're young students. I can't believe that they're really oh my god. They're good. They're very good. I like flirty then. I play guitar and piano. As you know, students, I'm the one who's been doing this for a long time. If you're the one who's been doing this for a long time, you can do it. And to me, you know, they make singing contest and parade. It's a lot of things. And then when you're doing that, you know, the same Mario as Dr. Raleo. So when you're back from US, you know, say you pee. What are the subjects that you're learning and at that time, what are the research projects that you're doing? Actually, can you do it? I was already teaching in the US. I was teaching in a small university called North Eastern Illinois University, but my mother got sick. I had no fun. I had no fun tracks with any school because school right now. I mean, I wasn't sent there by UP. I arrived in my own private sector, but when my mother got sick, since I went married, and so I came back, I gave up my career in the US. And then, of course, I applied to UP. And thankfully they accepted me. So, then when I came in, I had to take over neurology, which is really all my expertise, you know, neurology. And then when I arrived, I received Dr. Carla de Melanta to finish her PhD in Tokyo. So, no one was left to this geophysics. They forced me to this geophysics, can you imagine? But I'm very happy that I thought geophysics because I learned a lot, you know. But is there any way for you to train your masters and PhDs or never again a kind of geophysics class? But it was kind of a different geophysics. And geophysics, none of our insight and exploration geophysics. The geophysics there was like birds interior, you know, big. But we had seismologists. I mean, in Chicago at that time, there was a very good seismologist in Northwestern, not in my school, but like in some neighboring universities that I would attend lectures to. Actually, I was very happy I thought that course because I learned more than the students. And then I used it. I've used it. After the, I mean, in many of my future work, I, for example, I was able to buy eventually after the electromagnetic machine that we were using. And I'm able to use that when they were doing exploration work. So my first research was related to mining. I was from the mining industry. I was a process neurology. Okay, so that was, and then I had years of experience and without mining companies. And then actually in the beginning, we were the pioneers when the nickel mining came in, you know, the study of that. And we had drilling. And then, and then very happy because I wanted to put up an XRD lab, the XRD lab in newbie when I arrived was not working when I arrived in newbie practically no equipment were working. And then I, you know, I'm proud that today became director was able to build not me, but I, you know, I did fundraising and periods. So a lot of equipment were pulled up. 20 years now, okay, that was my ICPMS. And then we have some very, very, and then, I don't know many vehicles, because I have one that's in the industry, so I could ask money from them. So, so by that time, you know, I was the director for like nine years. So we were able to acquire substantial equipment, which allowed us to have right with to the research. So that was the exciting part. I even got involved as a threat in in payatas. I say, let's assume in payatas study. And so we had to, we had a friend in environmental engineering, we helped them, we drilled and then, and we discovered that, you know, there was methane coming through. And so, they studied the possibility of having a methane from, you know, from a garbage dump to power to power a power plant. And I saw a similar plant in Illinois. So, you know, you know, you know, we helped with that. But, you know, they cannot take away our, you know, the work that we need that there. So, yes. Yes, have to depend on the first thing that you need to do is basically cassette. Okay. It is the thing I learned that the second is a big portion of our waste, our municipal waste, our organic waste, kids and waste. Yeah, and that one will be for both and produce the methane, but also being part of plastics chemical, the important thing is he will I am an organics organics. But when you have an organic nominated waste, you know, to seal it. And then the bacteria do the job and then they'll generate the methane. Okay. And then the best thing can be quite, quite a lot. And then so, you know, I, in the US, I can, you know, you want to first saw it. So, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know. So, the guys there told me, I feel safe riding an airplane because the jet engine with the methane does not stop. I don't know what happened now. I have to visit it. I have to go in. So, I'm going to go in there. After the course is consideration, if you have a bottle of clean air, which is a stupid thing. Clean air after all. And then you have a bottle of consideration, which is you can do it cleanly. It's being done in Japan in many other countries. So, what are the conditions? I think that's why I'm not processing that before I release the gas, my additional processing. You know, you're on time. But that's really time I put them on Ion we could use that We could have insinerators and then make energy from it. Why not that make me think what is very different name, you know, but it's, you know, but it's what I'm saying. Gagawa ng mga loss na dito ganda advise it, ang science advice, at the time papahamak. 'Cause it, it will be an insineration, ang choice mula and field, it will be an gupa sa mila lagay. Gaya kaya sa na votasi, gilatapapapalang ng canyan. So you, anyway, batipang mga sa pingay. Ah, sir. And so, mejong matamina tayo ng discuss lalo na dun sa basura, and possibly turning them to energy, nungain punta naman natin nuklear energy. So sir, since naging director kaya ng PNRI, can you share sa audience natin? Bakit, bakit langan ng nuklear energy, why is it to transition to nuklear? Ang punan tanong sa akin, opan na kanakil nuklear na geolotis ka na bak. Okay. Now, the good thing is that when I was doing my master's and PhD, I studied with one of the world's best mineralogists, Steve Bogenheim. And he's an expert, the expert, the expert. And one of his studies was nuclear waste disposal, no level in Illinois. Okay. And so I've been doing the study for decades already. Okay. And the, I say, nuklear, the radio isotopes, facility, some down for months will last for 10,000 years. So you have to isolate it from human activity. And the only way you can do it is geologic disposal, deep burial, how deep you must bury it at least 500 meters. And the basis for the, the founded meters is there's a very rich uranium deposit in caldapol cigar lake. You cannot detect the deposit from the surface. So basically, you chemically isolated nasya. But then they put in an additional, an additional engineer buyer, which is bentonite, bentonite is a clay mineral. Layers, rupture, but the layers are negatively charged. So automatically, they do not glide more in the groundwater. It will be caught in the layers that are positively charged negatively charged. And then drop in forever. Okay. That is the basic principle in geologic disposal of nuclear waste. And we know the technology for decades. Now, I know that because I've been doing research with Japanese guys. Japanese guys were coming to the Philippines. I have a farm in. We went with the bentonite and then the water anyway. So I knew this. When I finished my nine year term. I have a three term for the director of the company. Because the director of the company. When they extend it again, they will extend it again. They will not be able to do that. It's 1665. So they will not be able to do the director of the company. So I just applied and I was chosen. Oh my god. And then so suddenly I was in charge of a big organization. But the great thing about this. I learned so many things here. It's not just nuclear power. The first thing is. It's not involved in nuclear energy. Even at the time. It's not only the research that is nuclear technology in visual applications. Okay, number one, agriculture. We develop products there from Paragene. And that. That produce rice. 20% more. I'm going after. And then we do a nuclear medicine. Research is a nuclear medicine. Plastics, for example, did you know that. The Philippines is the biggest one of the biggest pollutes. There's a plastic. Let's go on the shade. Get shampoo. Supposed to go on the top one. But when you recycle them, there's an air bonding. Difficulting. Can you see the product? And then that. But when you apply radiation to this plastics, you can manipulate the bands. And you produce stronger bands. We have produced. Construction material. Blocks of plastic that are stronger than concrete. But we have made a plastic. And then on the other hand, we use it. And cool. Plastic. So, yeah. But then of course, nuclear power. I mean, I will say that because we have reactor. So you want to have a bite in the nuclear. We have been. We have been active reactor since the 60s. Because it may trigger it after time, donated by the Americans. Okay. What? Why do we need it after to study neutron flow? Because at the heart of nuclear is neutrons. Because it's it's neutrons are the ones that cause fish on. So if you don't understand neutrons, you don't understand nuclear. So you have to have a researcher after powered by a three of you. Donated in the Americans, we have some fantastic scientists. They did a lot of research. The Taliban creating new. Plant varieties. Treating sometimes social treating like specialties on your diet. Thyroid cancer, et cetera. So, I'm not going to research just again. What? No. That was of course. Then that's the elephant. Question. I don't know even about the nuclear power plant. Right? Yeah. Because the end of the year was constructed well. It was in. Yeah. We were in college. It was finished. That's it. I did it in 81. That's it. That's it. That's it. And then what happened in 1985? That's it. The fuel was already delivered in the plant. It was possible to. It was actually tested running without the fuel. Unfortunately, things. First, that kind of election. That's the mark was the body. Then. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. I found all my advisors. That's it. That's it. dito per aroyo, pwemintel, sa isa, tayo na hubakal mo kaafsidenti, wak na, into inalang implantang yan. What they didn't know is that the Soviet design is very different from the Western design. And let me just explain one simple thing, because you can explain it to me. Ninety percent of most of the reacts in the world are water based. We have to do either boiling water after like in Japan, Fukushima, or pressurized water after like the BNPP. Water serves as the poolant and also the neutron modulator in the protection. The problem of the Fukushima is that the pollution is too big. And that's what happened in Fukushima because in Fukushima, there was an explosion. But the explosion was that caused by nuclear. Okay, let me explain Fukushima, as it happened in Japan. Tsuguropo, ala motao, ala volin in earthquakes, talasan mo haka ba bayan natin, the earthquake that you're not gonna know. What happened in Fukushima? You had a magnitude 9 earthquake. The epicenter was in the sea floor. Okay, that nuclear plants in Japan were not destroyed by the earthquake, because they were designed for earthquake. The Fukushima plant is the oldest nuclear after in Japan. It's after the older, you know, this older, the nothing plant that BNPP is much younger than that. The size of the earthquake in Fukushima is 0.17 whereas the BNPP is 0.4. Okay, earthquake. It's not the same plant, but then they inserted the problem to stop the diffusion. But they need the pressure vessel, so they have to run water through it. The water has to be driven by these cell generators. It's in Japan that they have these generators in the basement, so that they can get it. It's the tsunami, the tsunami flooded the basement. The Fukushima plant that so killed the diesel generators, no more cooling, meltdown. And then with the water there in the siliconium plants, you have hydrolysis, which produce hydrogen gas. And then with that, you have hydrogen gas. One part. Okay, now why will that not happen in the Philippines number one? Okay. The elevation of BNPP is 18 meters above sea level higher than the tsunami. Then of course, this is the same. All the 400 nuclear plants in the world did the Fukushima stress test. Okay. And BNPP is a Chernobyl. It's a Chernobyl because the RBMK designed the Cadillac in the water-moderated, graphite-moderated. Tapos, didid nat po ikaw kentang. ay antawagyan yung containment structure. Okomot tapas sa P&R ay nakitanyong hitlo. There is a structure there. That is supposed to prevent mag-may accident that materials are only inside limited. Sa Soviet Union din lang ginawayon, din nakailangan, fangatawag po din communis, design, this year everything including disasters. So, noong experiments in a dun sa asternu mo bil. Ayur, nampak saapog niya buw. Walang containment, kaapumalat. And here's the worst part, ka? You know, I really don't like this determinist theoretical amount. No sumapukshana, this should have worn the population. Kiev was part of the Soviet Union as a Ukrainian. Malapitlam. This is the way nerdingan. Nabuti yung hangin o sa kong going to Siberia it cross a Siberia and then turn off the alarms in Sweden. What I'm saying is, din yan ka ilis kung saaplian gobyan nog, pagindi independent yung regulator. That's why I'm sure Tatanangin sa Philippines has saved by yung nubliyan. The city will be guaranteed by an independent regulator who should stand up to the government saying, "And save it all, stop." Save it all. Yung kanilang beauty. Okay? Ah, yung kong mga kalong planod we don't care, stop. Kasi nukurampin ng nubu saapan. That's the importance of the filatong go ng muketrehid ka. At sa Japan, they learn from Fukushima kasi medio chami-chami yung regulator at sa kaya yung tapue yung electric power company. So nilagay ka yung regulator nang Japan under the ministry of, I think, environment nandarmati. Napaka-kaki-bid sa Japan ng regulation. Lat nang prosidenstilang live stream. Okay, talagang natu-tutuk na purohon sa dat. Ganyan di nanggagawin sa Filipina sabi sabi sabi may binat live streaming but the independence of the nubu-regulator is extremely important. Kung ngulang independent regulator welcome nata yung mga nubuyan kasi yung karatgaranti the safety. Okay? Nubu-reg power plant has two live-in regulators like in the US 94 plants. Dalaw ang nakatira doon. Kung may problema, kina pa intoa planta. Ang coal plant to lang ganyan. Gas plant to lang ganyan. Due terminal to lang ganyan. Nubuyan lang meron. Anyway, this is just some of the aspects that I am discussing because, kina ka pan yung mga tao pa kasi ng nubuyan ba ang bagadang na sa isip. Okay, what people don't know? There are 400 plus nubu-regactors now 94 in America. In Japan, 50 plus. Yung natang reactors in Japan after Fukushima. But, nubuyan lang nubuyan kasi in gas nalang sila. Mayon, there is a start in it because they have evaluated the safety and sa kasobang mga nubuyan. Sa atin, ang mga nubuyan may nuku-reg power plant tayo, may nubuyan pa ganyan. I hope that nubuyan pa ganyan. You know, the South Korea acted interesting and talking about the batan nubuyan power plant. When the batan nubuyan was constructed in the 80s, four plants were made, batan nubuyan the Christchurch plant in Slovenia, Angra in Brazil, and then 42 in South Korea. Except models. Westinghouse, VWR622, megawat. When of the four plants that they are running very, very well, Slovenia has ten percent of also very electricity. Ten percent. South Korea now has 26 reactors. The 42 is being realized for around 20 years. 70 South Korea, we can start your plant because we have a working model. The net visibility study is a remit at the U.E. in deep and apakit at Aik Nakalino. That was probably said that visibility a few months ago. That was Ayupa Inboxan. That's what we are talking about. Now, again, when we are going to buy the net, when I was born, I went to Korea in Busan. I didn't take the train, so I went to Busan. I went to Busan, South Korea. That's what the Korean nuclear plant is doing. At the end of the year, I was born in Mandal. I was born in Mandal. I was born at the end of the year, but I was born at the end of the year, but I was born in Mandal. The problem is, the plant is not a problem. The plant is beside other, they have now 26 nuclear plants. You drive almost one or the cabaret manufacturing plants, you'll die there, because electricity is cheap. That is what we lost in the Philippines when we didn't find a nuclear plant. Who will invest here? Apak silika, apak silika. Sa mga hukong ko ng yung power niyan? Pede ba yan magano mag-mog solar? Eh, na yung hukong kan? Ha? Balkyo. I mean, so ito yung mga problema ng. 'Kong wala tayo power, wala tayo yung tubing, pa ka pa magpapak silika. At sa kagangito ba, 'I was involved in the nickel. We are the number two supplier nickel in the world for still manufacturing. Kasi yung manufacturers still you need iron, nickel and clone. The biggest manufacturer is China. Wala si nang nickel and clone. That's why the import from Indonesia and from us. But we export our raw, one to two percent, but the four-hourser kondok lagay sabang hud, the retro dan China, Pafe. Kasi mahala ko yante dito. We could process that here if we achieve electricity. Another reason to go nuclear. Tapos, ndiilagyan. Yung mga export natin nickel ors. Yung mga misinikyan. Ano pa kaya ang naman yan. Kasi ang binabayod lang sa atin, ain, nickel. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. What we discovered. It has about 0.2 percent. It has canned yung. It has rare telements. And then we're giving it away for free. I'm not going to lie. So go nyan talaga. So, yung nyan talaga. Ay. Nakaka inis. Lakan na raka. Yung riba. Nakaka. Wendy. Ha. [laughs] Danfusawa sa pinapag-activate ng BNPP. Kasi parang. Siguro may dalong follow-up question ako dan. Unar. Siguro may mga contentions, then pagdating sa geologic hazards. Like, yung lubao fault. And then yung mountaina tip na pasibio-active. And then second poll, na question. May enough trained scientists and technicians probatay sa Pilipinas to operate a nuclear power plant. Hey, sa isay natin. Okay? Can I talk say any? No, you need to natin ng BNPP. One year after, I'm damning ground health. Because it's designed to replace the 18-term of that. It's a good boy at that. No, at the late 1980s. In the past. Ten r. Ten r. Ground health. 11 r. Ground health. A city of 10 million. Ten r. Ground health. Okay. Si nuba ang circatarian energy ni Korea, you know. Si aboitis. Ang talong nga sa kanya nungon. Brings of darkness. Kasi nung mga ground health. Si nung may yung nga bina naman. Ang yaman nga nga aboitis. I mean, na wala naman. They're good to company. I mean, sila talaga may hawak ng maraling power sources. Okay. Pero, we say natin. Meron bang fall. Doon sa BNPP. Okay. When I came back from the states, I could not believe that they would build a nuclear plant without checking my fault. You know, because it's costing more than a billion dollars. How much is it to. So, my geologic studies in the ocean. Okay. So, you know, yeah. But I did my own independent study. I paid for it. And, you know, after my plant. I surrounded it with resistivity. Size mean. And then, radar. Radon is important. Kasi. If there is a fault. If there's a fault, like that. Radon gas will emit. And then you can trace the fault. Kindness. Mentona. I did radar gas studies. I did seismic studies. And then I did resistivity studies. All three studies show no fault. In the plant. Kasi kung my fault ka beside. That, I don't know. That, that, that, that, that will depend on the design. And so, you're a journalist. A fault must have a superficial manifestation. Where is it? Simahar may pinakita siyang fault. That doesn't happen. That doesn't happen. That doesn't happen. 'Takil extendang ay ang paper niya from the bow and the one. So, anyway, let's look at the evidence. No personalities. Mar is a good friend of mine. And then we are publishing a paper on our findings with his public scientists. Now, you're not native. The months have been out to speed the novel. You know, it's true that the plant is built on the hard flows from mountain at the, but it's the native volcano active or not. The only evidence, I mean, the far gone 14 days, that it must 60,000 years. But we have new studies now are gone, are gone dates done in the US. million years. And then secondly, we instrumented the volcano. So we put seismic sensors around it to see if there are seismic activities beneath the plant for more than one year. We're publishing the paper now zero seismic activities so that volcano is dead. So the reason that the volcano, you know what the hell is? Geology, huh? I mean, the political problem, huh? That the fall and then the earthquakes are the most egregious fake news imposed on the Philippine people for the past four to years. Our papers will come out. If there's evidence, let's be evidence. This is Kelvin. I'm talking to the government. Kelvin Rudolph. You're talking to a rapper. You're talking about articles. That's what I'm talking about. may mga sites na yung pinagagalala rin yan na. Meron, magataparit ang one-traelit sa DOE, especially with Secretary Garin who does not like me anyway, but where credit, she made the number L.A. program into agency committee work. So meron yan yung 19 milestones na kaya a-siting yung mga their committee whole government works, meron yan na output. I can tell you that, including siting. So the act of some involved on, you and the coming involved, so you but MGBs there, few blocks is there, maghasa is there, PNRI is there. So we're having your list involved. So mejo, matagalata galanarin fuyong discussion natin. Almost one rin na rin tayo. And so you're sure before we put it on the ending segment natin. Final in the final question. Do you think you're ready, the Philippines for nuclear energy? And in your opinion, what are the aspects that can improve so that 100% of the Philippines are ready? Okay. No, I think we're ready. More than ready, we need it. They say need is a matter of intervention. But I will not advocate nuclear power unless the independent regulators are appointed. The director, Jan Lufilatong. Pasisila, pasisila. Amaggagalantis nga nakawal bayan. Pasisila, pasisila, pasisila, pasisila, pasisila. They will issue the license to per strap. And then the license to operate. Umong guanda ng regulator na bahayos. Forget it. Pasisila ng maggagalanti. Pasisila ng Pilatong poseparit antiti siya sa pinar ay? Yes, sa parit yan. Tapos kapilit level yung head yan. So under the administrative office of the president, pero independent, tanayan independent body yan. Yung number one akay lang ang gawin. Okay. Kasi siyang mong jasabi. Oh, lagawa akami ng nuclear plantito. Kasi yung license to construct. Manami ng yan. Manami ng yan. So yan ang number one. Wag mga wangulang yan. And daman natin ang engineers. Kasi kung papatat ko ko lang. Pikia mo lang mga isa sa weldo. Yung sinabi ko na gulita lagawa ko toon sa UAE. Hundreds of engineers, Filipina managers, are working in their nuclear plants. And they're easily trainable. Ang gagaling naman ang engineers natin eh. Iba? Yung mga dipidapodis. Eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh. Eh, eh, eh, eh, eh. Behil lang ang yung. Eh, kasi nasa bro, jilanda. Eh, eh, ang pobulan nga sili syarahan nila yung reputation ng napa kagalawin mga galing ng naman ang engineers. Eh, eh, eh, eh, eh. I'm. I'm. I'm a po mo yung from abroad, kasi ay. I go to the Vietnam three times a year, kasi albiaEA. Manami ng tanobaya ang mga cement ng naman ang engineers. I'm sorry. I'm so proud of them. Kasi ang galing nila sa ibang bansaya, pa'yatipas pedipinat sa. Paag-ing. Pa sa oay, pero. I mean, it's. It's a slur. It's an insult to say that Filipino engineers can attend the nuclear. I'm telling you, para ka na papakululan ng tubik, Jenny. Ha? Pa'yatipadong. Medyo. Pa'yatipadong. Nuclear has about 70 years. Ah, diko pangasina sabi. Yung nuclear sabi, jana ko lang reafter smoke. Nakalimotan ko palayita ng kanina sir. Yung BNPP, despite its age na 40 years, safe parin ba sya na. I-operit. Alright. I-operit kung sakali. Ang sakut janganganyan, yung kasi-ing age niyang ngubria plan, kematat ko ko ba? Slovenia, South Korea, present. All three plans are working perfectly. Of course they have had upgrades. And they're being licensed for 120 years. That's the answer to the question. I had a South African nuclear regulator visit BNPP. When he saw the plant, like Murapase, what? Why isn't this plant running? My plans in South Africa are in a worse condition than this one. For those whom I do that, I invite you to visit the BNPP. What's the meaning of the BNPP? So, I hope we will continue to talk about nuclear energy. regulators and alkaline liquids interact with the bentonite, it might destroy its buffering capacity. What will happen to bentonite in 10,000 years? No, can it still retain its buffering or its shielding capacity? Now, how can you construct a 10,000 year experiment? What you do is go to nature, look at bentonite deposits and then if you're lucky you can find a naturally occurring alkaline spring, blowing over the bentonite, this is called a natural analogue and you can see the reactions that have been there for thousands of years. So I looked for those kind, funded by the Swiss and the Japanese and I discovered several sites and one of them in turn up, fantastic site, my bentonite, and then the water goes through that in zero light, so it's very clean and it's pH 9. So we've studied, it's the most studied water in the Philippines, we know the age, 3000 years old. It's fantastic to drink, because I think that's the best water you can drink, I can, I mean now I'm a high-president, so I decided to battle it, I mean, if you're lucky, you can receive an FBA, then you'll have to decide the battle and you'll have to do a big design. So, until you're lucky, then the natural alkaline, then the brand, the alkaline. All right. So, yeah, the alkaline is apinetic, but thank you for opening this recess and then, if people want to ask me, they can email me, calloy@[email protected] and if we need integral and it's competitive, people have signed this eager for the truth, no, the truth shall set you free. Okay, that's the most important message I've ever had. And then last question, sir, in addition to the nuclear and alkaline, do you have anything else to promote? Of course, I mean, I mean, I'm involved in the acting, it's a nuclear medicine, I want to do it a force of cancer diagnosis, that's one of Sanomatoproposian projects, but one thing I'd like to promote among students, especially, is to improve their readings and to take care of their spiritual and mental health. It's very important, because I was in the Board of Presses, Philippine Science High School, I just, and then we see a lot of especially among bright people. Sayang, if you don't take care of yourself, especially mentally and spiritually, problems come in life, and how do you cope with it, so that's the most important, and it affects many things. So I mean, as I said, I am not ashamed to say that I take my religion seriously as a Catholic, and it has helped me, and I hope it helps you too, because it helps me keep objectivity. That's the most important thing. So I guess, I'm not ashamed to say thank you to all of you for sharing your expertise on the podcast, and thank you very much for your time and I'll see you next week, because if you go to research, we'll do our research scientists. The opinions of podcast creators, hosts and guests are not necessarily reflective of the official stance of the pod network entertainment, its host or other network programs. The content created by the people behind the podcast is personal and not meant to harm any religion, ethnicity, group organization, company or individual.