Ep. 907: Yellowstone Wolf (Mis)Management, Betting on Wildfires, and Bears Ear

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It's thriving wildlife, working forests and farms, clean water, vibrant communities, and outdoor places people can enjoy for generations to come. With over 9 million acres protected across all 50 states, the Conservation Fund's approach gets real, lasting results. Learn more about how they do it at conservationfund.org. Welcome to the news show. Today, we've got Spencer reporting on the most reported on story in the world, the old-timer who got tossed by a buffalo in Yellowstone. We've got wolves in Yellowstone have left Yellowstone, and that's got Yellowstone wolf lovers' panties in a bunch. The Trump administration has made changes to the endangered species, and if you're guessing that it wasn't to make it strong and more effective, you're onto something. Colorado's dumb fur ban has died, but they replaced it with something not quite as dumb. Is the perpetuation of daylight savings time good or bad for outdoorsmen? How can you make money betting on wildfires and more? But first, our news. I'll tell you about our news. That's good, Bill. Listen, you wanna, you wanna, like, you wanna talk about workplace drama. Mm. Workplace drama. This, this represents tremendous workplace drama. I'm not aware. Oh, the Bear Grease bib. Yeah, what's the drama? Clay fought for years for these bibs. Mm-hmm. I think since 2019. Relationships were ruined. Mm-hmm. over these bibs. Mm-hmm. Because. Because Clay stuck to his guns. Uh-huh. He would, he would accept nothing less than perfection. If you're a bib man, let me stand up. You see me good, Bill? Mm. Look great. Here you go. See the important parts? Yeah. I'm not trying to flash. Well, you can see the main, the main part of a bib is the top is attached to the bottom. Okay. Here, put that camera on, so you can see the most important part. Put the camera on, so I can see what's going on. Yeah, there, there you go. The Bear Grease bib, look. Ooh. Zippers. Like, it's all in reverse, come look around the camera. Zippers. Zippers. Yeah. zipper side pockets okay you can run them like you can run them southern style we just run around like that zip them up flexible they got chaps running from ankle up it's the ultimate bib it's the greatest product we've ever made and and like i said a lot of fighting a lot of fighting i had some household drama over these how so i brought them home and i have a pair of 3xl carhartt overalls that i do all my car work in i brought these suckers home to do that in and my wife said those are too nice to do car work in but now i did car work in them like she wants she wants those to be your dress bibs yeah i asked her like can i wear these to church she didn't answer i think the if you had those i would say i'd like this man to step up to the pulpit i think he's got something that he should share with the congregation also you're not a 3xl what are you doing with 3xl bibs at home oh i got this from the thrift store they're just like a big pair of bibs you do you're working these are i think they run a little bit big because these were your original ones i'm running around in a medium which is right right right where i should be for a pair okay this is a large i'm 64 big guy 220 oh i see clay is a reference clay is telling people on instagram they run a little big so if you're getting your pair keep clay's words it depends if you like to put them on over a bunch of stuff yeah this is the best listen this is the ultimate deal this is what i live in from now on i will live in from now on i will live in from now on i'll say i will i throw these on like in the morning i climb a tree and shoot from my saddle before work and i just throw these on over my work clothes climb the tree good to go because you don't want to get your t-shirt dirty well i wore a t-shirt today but usually i have nice pants on yeah dude people know about my dress up game this is some rock these are rock solid bibs i like them yeah i gotta get me some oh dude oh yeah just like durable a lot of fighting they're available now that's what we want to emphasize most above all else there's a lot of fighting there was a lot of fighting between it got like it got emotional these were built with anger it got emotional i'm picturing an instagram ad just like clay fuck you know these bibs it got emotional a lot of fighting and here after after five years of fighting i think it's seven i thought clay said seven years of fighting clay being like not like that like this yeah for the uh for the ignoramus back here what's the difference between the two of them i don't know i don't know i don't a bib and an overall i think i use them interchangeably okay it's interchangeable i didn't know if there was a practical difference if i had to say a difference i feel like an overall maybe like goes all the way to sleeves no that's a cover-all cover-all that's a great product too my wife's got a lot of cute little overalls these days yeah that's the thing my wife's got a pair of overalls are cute bibs oh yeah she's got some real cute bibs are working yeah she's not running around these if she was she'd probably cut it she'd do it something to it she'd mod them she's not gonna start working on the truck no she just runs around being cute in her little overalls now and then it's only a differentiation between coveralls and bib overalls yeah um uh you can get them now and you gotta go get them because here's the deal all that fighting if if they bomb clay's getting fired there's more fighting so if you want to bring peace to the workplace blow these bibs out of the water get them love them clay wins i win everybody's happy a lot of fighting nate's got a hot tip for you uh or a cold tip because i had norovirus this weekend and spent a lot of time in the shower oh dude is miserable um not as miserable as when i got it after the mile high hunting show and spent an hour and a half plane flight in the bathroom but this weekend you're a two-time norovirus ham i think i've had it three times in my life i've had it three times you gotta eat more bad stuff i've had norovirus hold up just strengthen the system yeah that's probably a good point you weren't frequenting taco bell were you no not surprisingly i know but it could have been no our whole social group got it so it pretty sure it's norovirus anyways i'm a little skeptical of western medicine or western medicine curious and i don't believe in the over-utilization of the medical system and so instead of going to the doctor when i have stuff like this i just do every hour and a half i get in the shower and sit there for half an hour kind of soak it out hydrotherapy but eventually after the seventh or eighth shower rotation the shower gets pretty uncomfortable so i thought to myself what could i put in here to make the shower more comfortable and lo and behold i had a sleeping pad so i blew that sucker up threw it in there and it made my eighth ninth and tenth shower of the evening far more enjoyable do you imagine that you're sort of washing away the sickness i don't know if it's this i'm washing it away or i'm steaming it out what i'm what i'm concerned about is i whenever i think of air mattresses i think of all the crevices you know like there's crevices in there to me that would be ripe for say if some duke got in there there's a good chance he's not in there shatting himself in there you'd be surprised so if you find yourself on your seventh or eighth shower rotation of the evening uh blow up your sleeping pad and sit on that sucker get a shower stool it's available at a common drugstore i like that idea though it's a great dude i don't take baths but if i did i'd say this is not comfortable no the cdc says norovirus is very contagious what are you doing here nate i stayed home yesterday i was clear on sunday and i stayed home yesterday so i didn't get you guys sick okay i'd also just love the game i got i got in our news here's the deal um there's a place called matt's real repair m-a-t-s not two t's matt's real repair i've been using them for years those guys if you got a fishing reel that needs work those guys are the best guys on the planet in their business nicest dudes in the world do you send us all to there or something i send my i send every year i send reels in the matt's real repair if you get if a real gets to where they'll call you be like you're throwing good money after bad it's done you got to give it up i just every couple years i take my reels and send them in for like i write you put a little form i put down you clean lubricate fix what's broke it's like taking your car in for a tune-up or whatever oil but i've been running some dia with saltist reels i love those for for way over a decade in the salt in the salt just the nicest guys man just like you know you call over there like hello that's what i like it's not like press one for them two for them um okay we're gonna we gotta we gotta do some corrections but the audience has a love-hate relationship with corrections some people love them some people hate them we're gonna try to shorten it up so we brought in a thing to time it what's the winner get nothing right now we're just we're just rounding up corrections oh yeah no you're not gonna win nothing right now a long time ago a guy made us this interest-o-meter can you put this can you put can you put my shot on the screen yeah get the diarrhea sleeping pad off the okay a guy made us this interest-o-meter hold on yeah there you go i'm gonna walk through some corrections very quickly okay this was listener ryan thomas who created the meter who created the meter oh thank you ryan got three red dots yellow and three green so seven levels of interest and the way this machine functions is we all have a terminal with a dial and it averages those lights average our interest in said topic and so steve will spend about a minute covering a correction and we'll all weigh in with our dial on how interested we are and the top one wins guy named troyer writes in a couple weeks back you guys mentioned new shirts with tr on them love the idea but you guys called him teddy and that would have made the man bristle he did not appreciate the nickname well there are reports that in political sphere he did not mind if a stranger called him that as supporters of the man i personally use tr or theodore proper as it has been said that he never permitted himself to be called teddy all right they're turning their dials i'm moderately interested in that i'm not turning my dial okay we didn't make it out of the red we got a three who's this guy the venison the guy this is some dude from the uk what's his name i can't remember his name let me start by expressing my this is about yanni's report on wimbledon the tennis contest serving venison to lower their carbon footprint dropping beef picking up venison which we covered feller says let me start by expressing my genuine admiration for the meat brand your team and everything you do for hunting and conservation internationally the reason i felt it was worth writing in that meat eater has earned enormous credibility with hunters around the world when you speak about a country or a hunting culture people listen that is why i felt compelled to reach out after listening to your recent discussion regarding wimbledon venison in the uk landscape the venison served at wimbledon is sourced from the royal parks this is managed park venison not wild shot deer while quotes in the article note that eating venison helps control deer populations causing ecological destruction eating park venison does absolutely nothing to reduce britain's booming wild deer population trained hunters in the uk are legally permitted to sell wild venison directly into the food chain yet only one major supermarket chain regularly stocks genuine wild british venison most stock imported or farmed venison because of public perception the market finds park or farmed labels more palatable than wild despite wild being the ethical sustainable choice he notes one minute average he notes too that they're now they're now serving wild venison in the uk as the national health service hospitals i know but here's the deal i was gonna say that too but i ran out of time oh i thought that was for you to add it in well i thought we could have got okay okay i thought we could get rid of interestingly you're beginning to see genuine progress you left wild british venison is now even being served in several nhs hospitals as part of an initiative to promote sustainable locally sourced food you don't say that's a good detail it's exactly the kind of food that's being served in the uk as part of an initiative to promote sustainable locally sourced food you don't say that's a good detail it's actually a good thing to do so now my interest has fallen because it went on too long but i know if it were me i would have cut out all this stuff about how it's not you his genuine admiration for the brand and i like that part because those are enormous credibility all right we we were at a five out of seven then brody brought it down to a four but he's still he's still in the in the lead here he achieved yellow we covered a piece we're in alabama h-o-a and alabama brought in the feds to kill a bunch of geese that were bugging them and we're like what i was saying i was saying just don't start the timer yet this is background i was saying it seems a little severe to call in the feds to kill some geese there's got to be another way that's just my comment as a guy that doesn't know anything about this hoa guy writes in he wants to remain anonymous i am a wildlife biologist with usda's wildlife services i would like to add some insight on the hoa geese issue first some information was left out of the podcast segment including previously used non-lethal harassment and the severity of their situation according to heritage plantation they have invested over twenty five thousand dollars using coyote decoys lasers shoreline fencing and the introduction of swans for over 10 years they have been conducting egg oiling this blocks the egg pores preventing oxygen and stalling embryo growth in addition they were also denied by the city of madison to use trained dogs so they tried a lot over the past year sixteen geese and seventy five percent of the swans have died from illness and one hundred percent of the carcasses tested positive for avian influenza one important thing to note here is that they most likely they were dealing with a resident population this means they remain there year round these situations are very common in urban and suburban areas in fact in places that have worked on goose issues are conveniently also where the d_n_r_ chooses to band geese every single banded goose i have lethally removed were banded in the exact place i shot them with examples of some birds being banded almost ten years ago in the same spot this is all to say that the d_n_r_ it is extremely hard to harass resident geese and it seems to me that they have exhausted almost every other method besides installing a wire grid across the pond here's what gets interesting as to the method of lethal removal roundups are just the most efficient way they're conducted during the summer molt for euthanasia most programs utilize co2 gas chambers takes about 10 to 20 seconds to kill a goose i saw a comment saying that geese can hold their breath for 45 seconds but that doesn't matter because co2 is odorless and they don't know to hold their breath i got a bad feeling guys yeah one two three we're out of we're at a we're a six out of seven there for the interest i just jammed it up i forgot my minnesota wolves pat durkin nate reviewed compensation programs for wolf killed livestock my hearing aid equipped ears perked up when nate said wolf advocates were the original source of wisconsin's wolf compensation funding here's where it gets tricky when wolves are being managed by the state dnr department of natural resources through hunting and trapping state law requires wolf depredation payments come from wolf hunting trapping licenses and license application fees however when wolves are being protected under the federal endangered species act the money for wolf depredation payments come from wisconsin's bureau of natural heritage and conservation so if you're allowed to hunt and trap them hunters pay depredation if you're not it comes out of a totally different fund man that's a nice tight correction there pat coles is with this thought pat has often said deer make people stupid yep he elaborated on that elaborated on that deer make people stupid wolves make people mad turkeys make people happy turkeys make me more amen to that crank that sucker up lastly this is the final final mention on whether it is okay to refer to weed smokers as dope smokers pat achieved yellow there so you got a five out of seven second place no well yeah okay last one light green last one the most important one i'm writing in to defend steve and correct the angry dope smokers about the use of the term dope smoker first i want to establish my bona fides listen carefully this is the most this is the most credentialed dope smoker in the world i want to establish my bona fides i lived my entire life in the foothills of northern california and was a self-proclaimed stoner through most of my 20s and 30s i spent many croptobers as a trimmer getting paid in weight for my services in addition after recreational cannabis use was legalized in california i was the director of product development for two of the largest and most well-known cannabis brands in the state my job there was to select the best weed build supply chains for manufactured products like oils vapes and edibles and then bring those products to market that's very credentialed i bet you that guy had a subscription to high times now on to the topic at hand is the term dope smoker acceptable the answer is yes perhaps the best supporting evidence for this comes from the band sleep who are the undisputed creators of stoner rock genre in 1998 sleep released the album dope smoker which i listened to phil can you cue up just a quick intro to dope smoker you're supposed to have it ready was i did i get it i'll pull it up right here let me know when you're ready yeah okay give me a sec in 1998 sleep released the album dope smoker which contains only one song titled dope smoker it would be an ep the song is a 63 minute epic tale about a pilgrimage made by weed priests known as weedians across the mystical desert the purpose of their pilgrimage to cast seed of eden onto the nurtured desert soil of zion which is to create a permanent spiritually elevated sanctuary dedicated to continuous cultivation and smoking he's losing me this is great no no more of this the band spent four years writing and recording the song here's how it starts i was hooked that's good phil okay great they spent four years writing recording the song album both the title and content of dope smoker were so important to sleep that when their label london records threatened to drop them over it in 1996 the band went to court lost then leaked the album themselves two years later that's great he goes on to say i dare any offended dope smoker out there writing the album he goes on to say i dare any offended dope smoker out there writing the album two years later he goes on to say i dare any offended dope smoker out there writing the album two years later he goes on he goes on to say i dare any offended dope smoker out there writing into the media podcast to tell the members of sleep that the word which caused them to fight a years-long legal battle with london records effectively bankrupting them and causing them to break up for 15 years is somehow a pejorative keep up the good work and to all the dope smoking hunters and anglers out there stay high i was right he achieved uh five and a half on our scale it's flickering on six so who won the geese man i think that is a six though isn't it is it just a bad no it's like flickering you know someone just gave him a little the engineer's got he's got we got a couple mods yep yeah before we go back to prize given we got a couple mods i always get excited when an intelligent new action thriller comes out out and i'm excited to check out the fix starring liam neeson in theaters friday september 11th directed by guy machay and also starring zachary levi and elnaz new rosie the fix follows a group of disgraced former cia operators on a dangerous mission deep inside tehran after devastating events in afghanistan leave them searching for redemption and a 25 million dollar score if you're a big fan of action suspense and military thriller i'm excited to check out the fix check it out the fix opens nationwide in theaters friday september 11th for me it isn't really fall until the mornings get cold the grouse start flushing velvet starts coming off those buck antlers garden season winds down and i start getting really excited about getting my kids into the woods if you are a mountain dew fan it's also time for you to stock up your cooler with some dew for all the fall action born in the foothills of tennessee mountain dew is an american original powering good times for you to stock up your cooler with some dew for all the fall action since two brothers created the beverage about three quarters of a century ago in tennessee mark your best fall memories with the crisp refreshing citrus kick of mountain dew from hanging out around the bonfire to just hopping in your friend's truck and cruising the woods get outside and enjoy a mountain dew that's right enjoy the outdoors with mountain dew an american original tasted great since 48 look for mountain dew stores near you for over 40 years the conservation fund has raced to protect at-risk land and water for over 40 years the forest farmland open spaces and places that wildlife call home they believe that people and nature depend on each other so they act quickly to secure at-risk land before it's permanently lost working alongside communities to help shape a future where people and nature thrive together the result is more than protected land it's thriving wildlife working forests and farms clean water vibrant communities and outdoor places people can enjoy for generations to come with over 9 million acres protected across all 50 states the conservation funds approach gets real lasting results learn more about how they do it at conservationfund.org buffalo flips old man on to the news all right a viral video from july 10th showed an old man getting thrown uh what's been said eight feet in the air i don't know where bib overalls i believe yeah he was yes he looked like a dope smoking man who could use some bear grease uh bibs i would say uh throwing he would have been unscathed in these berries bibs yes yep uh thrown eight feet in the air by a bison yellowstone it was 65 year old carl mcdaniel he's from a small town north of seattle he was in the park with his grandson and the two were on a walk at a campground near yellowstone lake when they spotted a rutting bison who was putting on a show uh the bison rut goes from june to september so they're kind of peak that time period carl and his grandson lingered for a second to take some pictures and then the attack happened play the video phil for our audio listeners there's two individuals mm-hmm yeah the old timer's running one of those beards that goes down oh is that a beard it is yeah oh he's running one of those beards that goes down to your nipples and he's got suspenders and jeans not oh not bibs yeah and a grandson who's wearing a miami dolphins ryan fitzpatrick ryan fitzpatrick jersey bison is wallowing he's now on his feet this white pickup it was later said it was trying to haze the bison didn't work uh the pickup honked that was a very poor hazing operation yeah they said that the the pickup honked at the bison and the bison was trying to haze the bison and the bison and maybe that's like what got the bison on its feet actually so it was doing the opposite of what it intended uh the the bison and the man are playing ring around the rosie with some trees and then this is where uh the attack happens oh oh god quite a video man captured by a photographer who was at the campground at that point can you imagine if he didn't if there like wasn't a dude with a really high powered camera is that where it at like did the bison just walk off after that uh immediately after the attack some good samaritans including the cameraman who stopped filming uh they hazed the bison until it moved away from carl uh and because they were in a popular area emergency vehicles got there within 10 minutes uh the man is hurt but okay his femur was broken in four places near his hip uh the accident happened on a friday he had surgery on sunday right here in bozeman and he was standing again on monday carl said it wasn't a good thing to do but he was able to get out of the car and it was the ground sure uh so it wasn't the impact from the bison it was coming down that uh caused that broken femur now the national park service says you need to stay 25 yards away from bison is on their website it's in all their reading materials they also say 100 yards away from bears wolves and mountain lions uh carl estimated that he and his grandson were 100 yards away from that bison so they were bare distance uh 4x what the national park service says uh normally when these things happen the reaction from the general public is like wow what an idiot you know he sure deserved that go team bison you know get those moron tourists uh that hasn't been the case here and when i watch that video i don't have that reaction either um like the dude seemed like he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and and he didn't linger too long and and the way that video begins you're watching the kind of encounter that happens in yellowstone thousands of times a year where someone's just like watching a bison from what would be considered a safe distance uh and and usually it doesn't happen like this where the bison actually attacks him do you guys feel the same way or did you see something different no but i never like i never think that the person was dumb for even creeping up on stuff petting them listen i'm like a guy you know i like to get in there like i've never seen a guy's stuff well you're telling me you never try to sneak closer to something yeah i of course i have but i'm not gonna try and pet but i think what spencer's getting at is true like this guy no he didn't have when the video i'm not mad at him and i never do that i never do that i never do that thing like oh what a dummy but that's like 80 percent of the online reaction normally yeah when when this happened normally people are like boy dude had it coming yeah i feel like the reaction to this one is very different than what you usually see like that that thing was gonna get him no matter what it went through those trees yeah and that old guy's pretty spry he was multiple moments where i'd have been like oh i'm safe now like the thing is over and then the bison like keeps going after him that dude was hitting the nazi zombie moves i don't know what that means thanks will what's that it's a call of duty no um are you gonna add anything to this that yeah i got more i got more randall had to take oh i was just gonna say like he starts out what looks to be a very safe conservative distance from the bison that truck goes through blows its horn they start moving off as soon as the bison starts moving towards them like i don't know that there's anything in there that i'd second guess and then the other thing too is like you never really see the grandson get away yeah but you sort of get the sense like he when the grandfather comes around the trees he kind of stays there and does the cat and mouse thing with it and i kind of wonder if he's like trying to distract the bison the grandfather said that was the case he told his son to run to the or grandson to run to the amphitheater um and that he was going to try to distract him so he just ran we couldn't see him yes the distraction worked a little too well though as we saw in the video now of course i'm not getting 100 yard vibes off that i didn't think so either but that was what the quote said as far as distance now they got the the the hazer yeah then i think the hazer got it with the hate what's funny about this the dude who supposedly hazed it from a truck even though he's in a truck he gets scared yeah he got out he runs away in his truck yeah like right here right here you can see he's like trying you know he's trying to distract the bison i think oh look at that that that's a bad that's a badass again multiple times i'd be like oh it's i'm safe you know i've evaded the bison yeah i want to draw that i want to draw that bison tag and get that one all right hit me with something i don't know hit me with something i don't know okay of course carl survived but i went to one of my favorite books death in yellowstone to try to put the attack in perspective there have been two bison related deaths in yellowstone uh the first was from july 12 1971 almost 55 years ago to the day when carl was attacked uh that's when marvin schrader a 30 year old from spokane washington was at the fountain paint pots with his wife and three kids marvin wanted to get a picture of a solitary bison that was loafed in a meadow marvin got to within 20 feet of the bison when it got up and charged him uh the bison's horn pierced the man's liver just before it launched him 12 feet in the air marvin's family watched him groaning on the ground for a few minutes until he died you're doing fatalities fatalities two ever not not i would have guessed much higher i would guess it was fatalities so that was 1971 the second fatal bison attack happened 12 years later in hayden valley again it involved a solitary bison during the rut it was july 31st 1983 21 year old french visitor alain dumont uh wanted his picture taken with a bison he got to six feet away when the bison turned and gored him throwing him 10 feet in the air uh dumont's injuries included a punctured kidney punctured stomach torn colon damaged spleen and four broken ribs dumont survived long enough to see a doctor but later died from an infection because of the ruptured spleen so those are the two fatal spleen is mine hurts now uh now all three of those events share some similarities it was a singular bull bison during the rut which again is happening right now uh specifically in july the victim was either taking a picture or getting their picture taken with the bison including modern day carl uh and and my last thought is this book made me aware of something that i hadn't really considered before and it's that humans have always been stupid i i think there's maybe like this shared thought among people today that we're like more disconnected from nature and our cell phones are making us dumber and common sense isn't common anymore uh and i think people maybe carry some even more common sense uh and i think people maybe carry some even even more common sense uh and i think people maybe carry some even more common sense uh and i think people maybe carry some even guilt about just like how dumb the modern man is this book will make you realize that people have been doing dumb things and dying in spectacular ways but they're not doing 150 years who's not all kinds of hot buffalo hide hunters got killed it's like the world's like a slightly dangerous place i'm telling you this book if you read if you look at this book and look at all the deaths that have happened in yellowstone over the last 150 years your takeaway will be like oh man people have always been stupid people are always trying to like take a cool picture or impress a girl or win a win a bet um or you know like ignore bad weather ignore an animal's behavior that's been happening for the last 150 years for as long as people have been recording this stuff and i feel like we we just kind of assign that to folks in 2026 like look at how stupid we are collectively this book will tell you otherwise we have always been stupid um and and it's like you know maybe our society has been stupid but we have always been stupid um and and it's like you know maybe species has a chance here's the best evidence of this whole thing in the 1980s yellowstone averaged six bison related injuries per year in 1983 alone there were 11 injuries today it's less than two a year despite there being literally twice as many bison in the park and twice as many visitors so we've we've cut down we've cut down injuries because they've they they they control they control people's freedoms i don't think so i think they're just better it's like the land of rules they're just better at telling people like hey don't get to six feet from a bison because they restrict people's freedoms yeah americans are a trigger happy lot we like to get in there we want to mix things up and they they make it like you can't mix anything up in there yeah they should uh engrave that on the land of rules i knew spencer was headed for troubled waters on this one when i found out that the view also covered this story oh dude my wife pointed out this story to me and we don't like we don't traffic in the same news source they didn't talk about the two bison fatalities though and no no you brought it you brought it no it's good i like the spleen and again humans have always been dumb humans have always been doing stupid things in dangerous places i'm just very slow to condemn someone for having a mix-up with wild animals like specifically the thing when it comes to taking the best picture like taking a selfie that has been going on for as long as cameras have existed there are so many deaths in this book because someone is trying to get the right picture i feel like your book might have the opposite of survivorship bias but you're only going to highlight the things that went crazy bad yeah but that's why it's fascinating yeah that's why oh yeah if you made a whole book oh another book called uh normal everyday things going normally that's yeah it's also it's also a little sad because every character that gets introduced in this book you're like well i know how this ends they're gonna die i got a book about hunters dying called dying to hunt montana it's you can't it's it's too painful the gunshot section it's it's just like the writer's too good sparse you cannot read it you cannot read it yeah the amount of people jumping crawling under fences going over fences and i don't read it being like dummy dummy i read it like dude world's slightly dangerous place but you still gotta get out there and mix it up randall you're gonna do the the changes to the esa but should i start with the world's most misleading headline or do you want to end with that let's start with it okay phil i sent this did you see that email uh yeah i've been yeah this is big news we're a little uh just because of our recording schedule we're a little late to the game and talk about this but it's not going anywhere randall's gonna lay out some changes the trump administration made to the endangered species act but and amongst all the reporting uh those great wildlife reporters at the washington post run an article about these changes and you see a couple manatees floating there yeah there's two manatees hanging out and it says trump administration allows killing of species threatened with extinction which one might reasonably assume good lord they're hunting manatees yeah we were sharpening our harpoons i was already on the road headed to florida when i realized that this was a very misleading photo but uh in all seriousness like i said up top if you're guessing that uh they they want to make the endangered species act not as effective you're correct yeah and this is one of those cases where there's a headline and you think god it this is this seems ridiculous um surely it's not a big deal the headline is both wrong but this is also a big deal yeah they just wanted to find a way to take something that was very wonky yeah and hard to understand and make people click on it by making the impression that it's now okay that trump is saying you could hunt manatees right and it worked because that screenshot the hyperlink was purple so somebody clicked on that and read it i don't know who that came that came from me i clicked right away yeah yeah i clicked knowing it was dumb but i still clicked yeah i was i clicked on it just to make sure i got my my tag application in on time um so the the force or i'm sorry the uh fish and wildlife service and noah so the department of interior and the department of commerce issued a rule on july 14th and the rule is called rescinding the definition of harm under the endangered species act um the endangered species act at the most fundamental level makes it illegal for anyone to take and these are when i when i say the word with that emphasis that's from the law to take endangered species without authorization from the government and in in section 319 the term take means to harass harm pursue harm hunt shoot wound kill trap capture or collect or attempt to engage in any such conduct so the word take is defined by 10 different terms um and so this as i said before in the rule they're rescinding how the word harm under that umbrella of take has been commonly understood for the past several decades um so harm until this rule change the operational definition of harm included in destroying an animal's habitat if destroying that habitat or altering it impairs essential behaviors such as breeding um and one example that i found in my research from i believe is an article on vox i can't remember recall exactly where but building a hotel on top of a beach where sea turtles nest right like because that is going to impair the ability of the species to to recover from the harm that they've done and that is considered take under the endangered species act um in this uh in this rule change the administration does not offer a new definition but it refers to a dissent made by justice former justice scalia the late justice scalia in a case known as babbitt v sweet home that also had to do with the endangered species act and habitat and in his dissent scalia said that essentially everybody knows what take means it means when you deliberately go out and kill an animal and so there's no way that you could understand take to include destroying that animal's habitat by dissent you mean he was on the losing end of a decision that's exactly right so so in that case scalia was not the court actually ruled that conserving habitat or i should say destroying habitat falls under the definition of takes scalia disagreed with the majority but the administration is going back and using his words to argue that in fact destroying habitat in a way that will harm the species does not constitute take um now the way that this works essentially is the there's there was a change two years ago in the way that administrative rulemaking works like when congress passes a law saying you take an endangered species and then gives you 10 words traditionally historically the agency themself has been able to define what harm means right and as long as the court found that their definition was reasonable then the agency could use that that definition um two years ago the court repealed that was called the chevron doctrine where it was up to the agencies to find a reasonable meaning of the law after the chevron doctrine was overturned by the court now the court has sort of claimed the power to interpret the best meaning of these laws so essentially what's going to happen in september is that harm the word harm will no longer explicitly include actions that will destroy habitat um you could build a hotel in that example you could build that hotel on the beach where the sea turtles nest and as long as you're not intentionally killing individual sea turtles or their eggs you're fine you're not you're not going to shut down a logging operation because they're spotted owls around that's exactly right yeah so so you'd have to drop a tree on a spotted owl yeah the the part that's the part and again the administration is quoting scalia's understanding of the word harm and what scalia says is that it has to be an affirmative act directed immediately and intentionally against a particular animal it's not an act or omission that indirectly or accidentally causes injuries to a population of animals so this sort of fundamentally undermines the purpose of the endangered species act and what's interesting too is that it's it's clear that congress intended the endangered species act to cover those habitats um in the endangered species act itself it it talks about conserving the habitats that species need to survive it says the purpose this is from the law itself the purposes of this act are to provide a means whereby the ecosystems upon which endangered species and threatened species depend may be conserved so in short the administration is saying that harm doesn't encompass those habitats even though congress specifically calls out habitats um and then the law also has provisions to permit incidental take like if you're going to do a project that would harm habitat that's needed by an endangered species you can work with the government to to offset whatever incidental take you might have um but because harm is no longer going to encompass that it's unclear what will happen with those types of projects like if if incidental take or or habitat destruction is not considered harm it's it's very unclear like how that will move forward and this is probably going to long story short this is probably going to end up in the supreme court um they're basically the administration has basically said harm under the rule of law that no longer encompasses destruction of these habitats and so like it it really removes a big chunk of what the act is supposed to do so if if it's going to end up in the supreme court in the meantime do they get to operate under this new definition of harm or well there's there's lawsuits that have already been filed i believe but i don't know whether the court will issue an injunction to stop the administration from um from putting this rule into effect but as of right now in september yeah this rule takes effect whereby habitat destruction is no longer covered under the definition of harm which is hard to wrap your mind around but that's sort of where we are man these guys got a case of the ass against uh yeah wildlife yeah and it's you know it's one of those things like i i feel like every every person in our community that cares about wildlife and cares about habitat and wild places like we can all acknowledge that the endangered species act has been weaponized in some instances like there's ways to improve it right but to to do away with this chunk of it which seems awful important if you want these species to survive like it's it's kind of taking an axe to the whole thing when when i think most well i don't think it's the the concern is with wildlife obviously the concern is with for sure development and energy extraction and stuff like that for sure yeah it removes a lot of roadblocks to to things like as you say development yeah there are some real significant pain points in the endangered species act i mean the most obvious example of that is the way wolves and grizzlies have been handled where in the case of grizzlies for decades you have decades Grizzlies have reached recovery as defined when they were listed yeah but people block the delisting because it's they view it as a my favorite animal protection act that sort of thing creates a lot of ill will right toward the endangered species act where people just look at these these ridiculous examples of people weaponizing the esa it creates all kinds of animosity toward the esa and then you get actions like this i'm not trying to blame certain people for it it's what i'm saying then you get people that are like all right i'm done with the whole damn thing yeah it's a polar i mean it's it's a legitimately polarizing topic because of the way that it's played out in contemporary politics especially like in the west here but man to say that the whole thing is rotten is maybe a step too far i always get excited when an intelligent new action thriller you comes out and i'm excited to check out the fix starring liam neeson in theaters friday september 11th directed by gaia maché and also starring zachary levi and elnaz new rosy the fix follows a group of disgraced former cia operators on a dangerous mission deep inside tehran after devastating events in afghanistan leave them searching 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percent of the species that go on the endangered species act come off because of recovery two percent things come off because they didn't deserve listing in the first place yeah things come off because uh they're extinct things two percent there's some big examples bald eagles whatever two percent come off because it worked so that's another thing people will look and be like well it doesn't work anyways yeah you know yeah yeah I mean it's one of those things too it's just like governance is messy you write a law with the best of intentions and it can be used in any number of ways through litigation and all kinds of stuff to to you know there's tons of different perspectives on the ESA but like just getting rid of harm including habitat is like is wildly sort of like a huge like leap in imagination like like let's say for for some reason just you already made this point I just want to double make it let's say there's a there's a particular cliff face and there's a type of swallow that nests on that cliff face and it's the only place those swallows ever nest some guy says I want to blow that cliff face up historically they've been like well you can't blow that up because that's an endangered swallow that nests on that cliff face now it'd be like okay wait till all the swallows are off right then you can blow the cliff face up that way you're not technically taking any of the swallows yeah yeah it's not like the people who crafted this actually believe that destroying habitat is not quote harm like they know they're being cute right yeah yeah so uh something that got my attention was Randall saying that Noah is under the department of Commerce which I didn't know and I never considered where it was rolled up in the government I knew it wasn't doi but I googled why would it be under Commerce uh it was created in 1970 Noah was and the most famous driving reason for Noah's placement was a political feud between President Richard Nixon and his secretary of the interior Wally Hickel following the 1970 Kent State shootings Wally wrote a public letter criticizing the Nixon administration criticizing their handling of the Vietnam War and urged the president to listen to the youth furious with Wally's public defiance Nixon chose to punish him by stripping the proposed oceanic and atmospheric agency from the doi's purview instead he handed the agency to the Commerce secretary Maurice stands a loyal ally so that's how we got to where Noah is under the Department of Commerce which when you hear it you're like well that seems weird um and and there's a good reason why it is so weird 10. I wish I could do it better I know Phil can he just doesn't want to no I can't okay that's cool I don't mean that second oh go on wildfire make money on wildfires no we're talking about daylight savings time oh that's what's up now and if it's going to become permanent this this whole thing is so confusing to me I got you we're going to clear it all up there's the farmers started was it Ben Franklin two hours one hour okay we're gonna clear it all up so right now the House of Representatives has passed the Sunshine Protection Act which is not the first time they've they've brought this bill up uh it's a bill to make dst or daylight savings time permanent what does that mean daylight savings time permanent daylight savings time means one Hunter's legal shooting shooting light comes at 7 0 5 a.m and another's at 9 12 in the same time zone in this case Central Time this gives an extra hour of shooting daylight in the afternoon and so the question we're going to examine is the extra afternoon light worth it yes all right we got one hold on hold on I'm already confused I'm already confused and I hope you're not making the mistake of thinking that the numbers we apply to this somehow affects how many hours of daylight there are no it's all relative to work hours yes that's what I'm talking about yes because we'll get into it when I was in college this is the one thing that got me to write an email to a politician was that when the time would change um when it does the bars would still stay open until 2 a.m but now the sun's coming up an hour earlier so I'm losing an hour of sleep now every time the clocks roll back so I'm like we got to get this fixed we need that extra hour in the afternoon instead of in the morning because I'm not going to leave the bars early to make it up for shooting light so I'm looking out for those kids the drink yes okay take it away so to answer this question we're going to go way back what is daylight savings and where to come from a plain definition is that daylight savings time is the practice of setting our clocks one hour ahead of standard time in the warmer months so a given stretch of daylight lands later in the day we move the clocks forward one hour on the second Sunday in March and back one hour on the first Sunday in November the origins of daylight savings time can be traced to published a satirical essay that Parisians could save 64 million pounds of candle wax if people just woke up with the sun he did propose firing cannons at dawn but never proposed changing the clocks fast forward about 100 years and George Hudson a New Zealand postal worker and entomologist proposed a two-hour shift primarily so he'd have more daylight to collect bugs after work this I don't know if anyone's ever observed this before but that Ben Franklin's smart man I don't know if anybody's noticed that this was October to March in the southern hemisphere but same for us it's the opposite in the northern he didn't get a whole lot of traction until 1907 when William Willett an English builder Royal Astronomical Society fellow and golfer proposed a similar Advancement but in four 20 minute increments across the month of April and reversing that in September the stated benefits were more recreation time less crime less energy uh to Spencer's point uh people in the past being dumb this is a great example We hate changing our clocks once this dude proposed changing it four times over a month. The first official adoption is 1916 in Germany, which was an effort to conserve coal for the World War I war effort. What? This takes us. Oh, yeah. Germany was the first one. That's how this started? Yep. Now, granted. One of their plots for world domination? Yep. I mean, within months, the rest of Europe adopted it for the same reasons. So there seemed to be some merit there. Fast forward two years, 1918, the U.S. adopts DST for the same reason, but repealed in 1919 after the war amid public complaint, much of it from the agricultural community. I'd always thought that the ag community loved daylight savings time. Like, that was the whole point. It is not the case. They do not like it. 1920s, DST becomes optional daylight savings time. There's limited local adoption. It's pretty patchy throughout the U.S. There's all sorts of issues with trains and trick commerce and whatnot. 1942, FDR institutes year-round wartime, which is year-round daylight savings for energy saving. In 1945, three years later, wartime is repealed. States and cities set their own rules. Again, it results in this patchwork, and confusion peaks in 1954 when, for example, New England extends through October, while other states end in September, and then some go to November, and some do one hour, some do staggered. And so it's a mess. They've lived with that for about 20 more years, and in 1966, the Uniform Time Act is passed, which standardized DST from the last Sunday in April to the last Saturday in October. That said, states may exempt themselves, which is how Arizona, Hawaii, and portions of Indiana were exempted. You'll also notice when we look at these lines, there's a creep, the boundaries creep, where the western edges push to escape those late sunrises. 1974 to 75, the same things enacted during the oil embargo. They enact year-round DST to save energy. There's a ton of public backlash, specifically citing kids going to school in the dark. And within eight months, they roll it back to the standard six-month on-again. Can I ask a question, just to be clear here? When they're talking about energy savings, they mean that it's an hour less that you'll spend dicking around your house at night with the lights on. It's the lights on, which we'll get into, and now it seems to be offset by AC and all the other things that take energy. 2005, the Energy Policy Act extends DST from the March to October, or I'm sorry, from April to October to March to November, and that's what we have today. And it was mostly energy-related. The current Sunshine Protection Act, introduced in the Senate originally in 2018, then again in 2021, then in 2022, has been reintroduced again here in the House in 2026 and passed, and it's sitting with the Senate. So, there's this long history of daylight savings, and ultimately, the main critique is that it just needs to be the same across the board, whether it's early or late, whatever. I got a question. Why daylight, why do they want to go with permanent daylight savings time versus permanent standard? Standard time. It's basically a trade-off if you want time in the morning or time at night, and that's the question we'll get into. Daylight in the morning. So, they're talking about. I'm just going to take the perspective of the dumb guy out there, because that's where I'm at on this. This means you don't have to message your clock anymore? The goal is to never change the clock. Okay. Yep. So, it's just, are you going to adopt the fall time or the spring time? Yes. I don't care. Well, it's, are you going to adopt the permanent summertime or the permanent winter time? Because that's when it changes. That sixes to me. I support this whole thing, because I think the whole clock changing thing is dumb. Agreed. So, the question is. I'll tell you why later. Let's just clarify terms, because I think we need it at this point. What we do currently is we switch twice a year. Spring forward one hour and fall back. Everyone hates it. There's then permanent standard time, which is what Steve's talking about, where we stop switching, we keep the quote-unquote natural clock, which has lighter mornings and darker evenings, and happens to be recommended by most sleep scientists and the American Academy of Sleep Medicine. And then what Congress is passing is permanent DST, which is to lock the clocks one hour ahead forever. Lighter evenings, darker mornings. Well, until they change it again. Until they get kids out having fun riding their bikes all summer long at night. They need to get up in the morning. If I have one takeaway from your segment so far, it's that it won't be forever. It'll be for 20, 20 years. In one of the studies I read, it said it took us 50 years to get this standardized. What's next? That said, states can still opt out, which under this rule, they have to be in the same time zone. There's a few other stipulations, but if you really hate this idea, your state can't opt out. Would it be that Indiana was right all along? Parts of Indiana. It depends on what you think is important. Arizona and Hawaii, the territories, none of them observe it because they're near the equator and it doesn't really matter. It's just useless. But it does matter significantly, especially for the groups that are the two corners of the time zones, which we're going to talk about. The time zones themselves are an interesting little tidbit. So where did these come from? To weigh the pros and cons, we need to have a firm understanding of those time zones themselves because the impact of this proposal is drastically different if you live, say, in the northeast corner, or I'm sorry, the northwestern corner of North Dakota, which is the top northwest corner of the central time zone, or Panama City, which is the far southeast corner of the central time zone. So these time zones came originally from the astronomical societies. Basically they wanted 24 worldwide meridians, which is 15 degrees apart, and that would collapse all these different railroad times into four time zones across the U.S., eastern, central, mountain, pacific. And every time zone is built around the central line of longitude, where the clock is supposed to match, noon would line up with that meridian perfectly. And so that's why it's in the middle of these time zones. So instead of, you know, like, the time zone line that you're basing it off isn't the split between, you know, Alabama and Georgia, or wherever your split is. It's the center of that, generally. The farther east you go from that meridian, so in this case, let's take the center of the country and you're going towards the edge of North Dakota, the further east you go, the earlier the sun runs against your clock. The farther west you go, so towards Florida, the later it runs against your clock. To put it simply, latitude and longitude. Longitude, east to west, is when the sun crosses your clock. Latitude, north to south, is how long the day is. And both of those get, they stack at those corners, the northwest and southeast corners. So, Phil, if you don't mind pulling up that first little slider guy that I've got, what we're going to look at is the two time zones for the, you know, we can choose, well, which time zone do you guys want? Central? It doesn't matter to me at all. Which one? Central. Central. Central's the largest. So click on central, in this case, Wilson, North Dakota, and Panama City, Florida, and you'll see in December 21st, you've got a 9.42 a.m. wake-up in North Dakota versus a 7.35. Sunset isn't that drastically different, but that wake-up is crazy. Now, if you go back, let's take it to, let's call it November 7th. What you're looking at here, and this is how you can measure it from a hunter's perspective, you'd be 8.49 a.m. under permanent daylight savings time, which is, you can't hunt before work. And I'm only talking weekdays here, I'm not talking weekends. You're not going to hunt before work with an 8.49 a.m. sunrise. But I don't think you're hunting before work when it's a 7.49. Exactly. That is my whole point, is I don't think it matters. Because, you know, take an hour off this, you're going to go if you, sunrise, shooting light isn't until 7.15, you're not going to get that sit-in before work. And so it doesn't matter. I don't know, man. If you work here, where people just do what they want all the time anyway. Now, that said, after work, you got great options. 6.28 sundown, so shooting light ends at 7.00. Dude, you can sneak out of work at 4.00, hop up in your tree stand, and you got two hours to hunt. Can I share a dirty secret with you? Please. I used to like when they switched the clocks for fall bow hunting. Because you'd get out of school, your old man would pick you up at school, rush you out to sit in the tree stand, and you just got to the magic hour that much quicker. Before, it felt like you were up there forever. But then all of a sudden, you just rush out there, and the minute you get in your tree, dude, it's the magic hour. So I used to look forward to it because it shortened how long you had to sit in your tree before you saw something. I used to get like 90 minutes after school, which was perfect. Because my old man, he'd be up there for a million hours. Well, I'm sorry for the kiddies, but for the people who have 9-5s, I think this is great news. So what we're demonstrating here, and you can do it across all the time zones, you can check winter solstice, all the things, but you guys get it. The trade-off is regional, especially as you live on the far extremes of these time zones. So why it matters to everyone, there's very clearly documented associations with the time change specifically. There's more car crashers, there's less robberies, there's more heart attacks, more strokes, there's mood implications, I could go on. But ultimately, what does it mean for us as hunters? And for hunters, there's a few elements. Energy usage is the first one. There's this argument that daylight savings time increases energy efficiency because you don't have your lights on as long because the sun's up. The jury's out. It seems that the increased usage of home appliances and AC during peak heat hours throughout the year after daylight savings would actually offset that because lights have gotten so efficient with like LED lights and whatnot, as opposed to heating up your oven at five o'clock when the sun's still shining is going to be significantly more energy draining. And so it's kind of a moot point from the rancher impact because we love our ranchers here. The switch is what's annoying. It seems like they don't really care which one's which. It's just like, choose one schedule. I want the milk truck to show up at the same time every day. I don't want my cows to have to change twice a year for their schedule. Do your vehicle. And that was, that was actually a tough one for me to wrap my mind around. Like, why is that time really matter? But if you had like a morning routine, like your morning poop or something, and then someone said, Oh wait, actually you need to do that an hour earlier today, twice a year, it'd be super annoying to adjust all your routines. And so you have to take up smoking. I feel for the cows. Yep. Um, another interesting one is deer vehicle collision. This is the big one. Yeah, man. If you're a hunter, you're like, Oh, okay. Now I'm convinced. Yep. We're getting even, even more dialed. So this is a study that covers one over 1 million collisions and 96 million hourly traffic observations. Collisions are 14 times more frequently two hours after sunset than before, which is pretty clear. Um, the fallback shift puts peak traffic into darkness at the time of the rut, which also sees more deer injuries year round. DST would prevent approximately 36,550 deer deaths, 33 human deaths, 2,054 injuries, and $1.2 billion in costs annually permanent standard time, which would be not shifting the clocks would make collisions worse at $2.4 billion annually, 37,000 more deer out there walking around. If we change the clocks, cause they're not getting hit by vehicles, save big bucks, save big bucks. That's good. Yeah. And you have a logo for that with a dollar sign and a big buck and then in little letters, I didn't even think about the play on words. That's great. Yeah. And so finally the, the ultimate question I wanted to answer is your hunt schedule. Do you have a weekends or weekends, but on a work day, if you're trying to get in before or after, um, does permanent daylight saving time give you to give hunters more hours before or after and what's the trade-off? And so Phil, if you can pull up that second slider, what we're going to look at is total hunting minutes, which I defined as before from 30 minutes prior to sunrise up till 8:00 AM and from 4:30 PM till 30 minutes after sunrise. So this is a working man's schedule here. Yeah, this is a working man. Yeah, exactly. Like we, like I said, weekends are weekends. We're just trying to sneak out after schedule. There you go. Um, and in this case, we'll, uh, we'll talk again, North Dakota and Panama city and what we can do. If you want to slide that towards November, uh, look at that, that second though, the blue is your morning minutes. So if you want to slide that towards November, the orange is your afternoon minutes. And so that top with the top row itself is standard time. The second row is permanent DST, um, or daylight savings. And so you end up getting a few more minutes when you switch in North Dakota, if you're down in Florida, it doesn't really change. Um, but then if you look at the full year, so under Williston, the second set of bars, you end up with significantly more hours of sunrise under the system than you do under standard. And you can, you can apply that kind of across. And again, it's, it's, it's greater at the Northwest corner than it is in the Southeast. And so there you go. I'm a big fan. I think it's great. Hmm. Yeah. If I was alive a long time ago and someone would have brought this whole thing up in the first place, Ben Franklin, whatever, like, you know, we're hanging out. Um, I would've said, man, let's just, no, let's just do focus on something different. Like this thing just seems like a headache. It's gonna be hard to get buy-in. It just feels arbitrary. It's taking like a hundred years. It's like stuff. Just the C I like the seasons. Like just, no, if this sticks, it'll be really interesting in like 30 or 40 years to tell little kids about how we used to change the clocks twice a year. I feel like they've been talking about changing this though. My whole life, this feels the closest it's ever come because Trump said, if it gets to his desk, he'll sign it. And it would be a big win for Republicans. Cause he's a big boy. He's a big bow hunter. When we, when he gets off the truck, you know, he's always up in the old tree. Yeah. I bet it happens this time. This is it. This is where we, we make the change permanent. Yeah. Man, we could go down through hunters, but we've gone on for a while. So you're good. I do like Nate's, uh, note about Upland retirees, more daylight to hunt, fewer clock change, health risks. I'm just saying, if you're, if you're hunting up in birds, you're probably retired. So none of this matters to you anyways. Okay. And you're just less likely to have a heart attack with the lack of, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Clock change. Yeah. That's good report. I'm with you. I always get excited when an intelligent new action thriller comes out and I'm excited to check out the fix starring Liam Neeson in theaters, Friday, September 11th, directed by Guy Mache and also starring Zachary Levi and Elna's new Rosie. The fix follows a group of disgraced former CIA operators on a dangerous mission deep inside Tehran after devastating events in Afghanistan. Leave them searching for redemption and a $25 million score. If you're a big fan of action, suspense and military thrillers, check it out. The fix opens nationwide in theaters, Friday, September 11th. For me, it isn't really fall until the mornings get cold. The grouse start flushing. Velvet starts coming off those buck antlers, garden season winds down. And I start getting really excited about getting my kids into the woods. 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Learn more at conservationfund.org. Back to Colorado. Back on the fur ban thing. It's dead. It didn't go anywhere. Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission voted six to five. That rejected the petition. Six to five? There's still five people that thought it was a good idea. That's just people in there, right? They're not going anywhere. They actually put some new people on, which we could talk about. What if it would have passed? Would it have went into action at that point? Or was there like another hurdle? Wow. Yeah, it would have. I mean, there would have been exceptions to like flies, felt hats, stuff like that. But anyway, it's done. It's not happening. I think we should take credit for that. We should. We got on it. One of the commissioners, Dallas May, said CPW, did a survey in April and 57% of the public did not support that ban. So, you know, they went along with what the people wanted. Yeah, 65 is basically 57%. Right, exactly. This was that original proposal by the Center for Biological Diversity that we talked about a bunch, but we're moving on. 43% of Coloradans. I know, that's my takeaway. Feel that you should not be able to sell the ban. Yeah. You should not be able to sell or buy a product made from muskrat fur. I mean, I'm not in charge of the survey, but if you think about where people live in Colorado, you know what I mean? Like that concentrated number of people on the front range that probably would have supported it. It kind of makes sense. I would have just talking. Oh, good. I would have felt a lot better with a seven to four commission vote. It doesn't matter. It's done. I know. I'll tell you a quick story. I was down and I gave a talk down in San Antonio, Texas a weekend ago to a Texas wildlife association. And in my talk, I was joking with them about how everybody in Colorado always bitches about you people coming up and buying all their land. I used to, but I'm like the way things are shaking out in Colorado, I would say that the more the merrier. They need more Texans. Open the border. They need more Texans to get that place straightened back out. There's probably people from Colorado now that are moving to Texas because they like the way things are. That's their whole problem. Austin. Oh yeah. Left wing, left wingers. This is a controversial statement I'm about to make. I don't want to get political. You don't say lefties don't want to live in lefty States. Not anymore. Lefties want to live in righty States. Yep. The big lefty States lose population to the righty States. Yeah. It's so weird. Yeah. Demographics are like, I don't want to live with someone breathing down my neck all time, but you know, I don't want to get political. Yep. All right. Um, we'll move on there. They, did have some options they could have gone with, which was Keep the current regulations, ban the sale for products with exceptions, ban the sale of raw pelts with exceptions. That all seemed confusing and they just got rid of the whole thing. The second thing that happened at this meeting was that because they couldn't just let the furbearer thing go completely is the commission voted also 6-5 to impose new daily bag limits on 17 furbearer species. Now, um, that basically what that means is trappers and hunters like the coverage on this, I felt like was kind of screwy because everything mentioned trapping, nothing mentioned hunting. Um, uh, it was definitely like the coverage was aimed at like painting trapping a certain way. I felt like it kind of left the hunting part of it out of it. But anyway, no more than two animals per species per day. Um, those species are Badger, Bobcat, Beaver, Coyote, Muskrat, Striped Skunk, Western Spotted Skunk, Raccoon, Red Fox, Mink, Possum, Pine Martin, Ring-Tailed Cat, Gray Fox, Swift Fox, Long-Tailed Weasel, and Short-Tailed Weasel. Two Muskrats a day. That's it. Um, now CPW proposed a 15 animal daily limit, which was largely a symbolic. Cap because very few trappers would ever reach that number. Of course, wildlife advocacy advocacy groups were like, no, that's way too many. Um, so they came up with a couple of different options, eight animals a day for common species that are often considered like a nuisance for livestock owners like coyotes, raccoons, red foxes, four animals a day for less common species like Pine Martin and Mink. Um, ultimately those options didn't go. Through the commission adopted an even stricter rule, which was the two per species per day. Um, this isn't like, this isn't banning trapping. You can still trap, um, kind of, you can, can I ask a stupid question? Uh, yeah. For like, if you, if I were to say to you, you can only harvest four animals a day. We're talking about Martin and Mink. How does that. How does that work out in practice? Cause you're going to have more than four traps out there. I mean, like, does a good day turn into a bad day? Yeah. What if you get six? It's yeah. It's meant to like really upend your deal. Like if you're setting, like it would be that if you're trapping muskrat and muskrats possums, there's no, you don't have control. There is no, there is no species concerned about these species, but it would mean that you'd be like, do I make three sets? Right. Trusting that one of those sets doesn't pay off. That's what I'm. Yeah. You would turn people into violators for sure. It's on its face. It doesn't seem crazy because people reach those levels, but it does kneecap you in terms of how it plays out on the ground. If you want to stay in compliance, normally what you do when you're trying like a normal state that is interested, a normal state that is interested in like honest wildlife management does they, when they look at a species that's susceptible to overharvest, they create unit wide quotas. Right. And the unit wide quota, everyone that gets something, say it's a Bobcat, everyone who gets a Bobcat calls a hotline or goes online, reports their Bobcat as you approach the unit wide quota, you give a 24 hour or 48 hour notice that the season is closing or if you're racing toward the quota, they might call it knowing that in the next 48 hours, the quota will be achieved. That's like a serious grownup way of handling this problem. This is a way meant to like kneecap. People and prevent people and basically criminalize normal activity based on nothing. And to be clear, like even Bobcats, which are regulated tightly in some States, like none of these species did CPW, like none of them are biologically unsustainable. Right. Like even with no limits, the populations were doing fine. Right. So it's just like this vote is just like a broader trend. In Colorado towards restricting, you know, things like mountain lion hunting, wolf, wolf restoration thing. Like it's all part of this trend to like make it harder for people that hunt and trap. Now, like the thing about this is, is that impact practical impact on people in Colorado is probably not going to be there's not probably not much to it because. So, you know, I think that's a big part of it. I think that's a big part of it. being guided by commissions that have a clear goal to go the other direction you know i don't know how yeah i don't know how colorado is going to pull back out of this okay i want to give a silver lining to outdoorsmen there if this were to pass when i lived in south dakota there was a body of water i fished that flirted with the idea of going from the daily limit of four walleyes to three naturally people were against it who fish but quietly i was like well if this does pass this will be a different definition of success all of a sudden because if the if the limit is four and you come into the boat dock after a day of fishing and someone's like how'd you do you know catching zero walleye is basically the same as like bringing three it's like did you get a limit or not like yep got my limit now if the limit is less you're more likely to be like yeah i got my limit what a badass trapper i am i don't think trappers think that way i thought but i thought that was like a they were saying that you now have a limit that you can get per day do you understand what i'm saying if the walleye limit was now three instead of four everybody's getting limits wow look how great of anglers we are silver lining molly's wolf yeah steve knows he's coming around trapper who got a limit now that's a trapper he's so effective well if it's a two muskrat limit there's gonna be a lot of great trappers and they're such a good trapper the state's like they didn't realize how lucky they are you're getting too many there's trouble brewing in yellowstone this is silver lining this is this is a very western heavy episode we're gonna run with it anyway trouble brewing in yellowstone wolf world concerning a pack of wolves so there's a pack of wolves originally called the crystal creek pack okay the pack has been in existence for a long time and it's been in existence since the reintroduction so it's thought to be the first pack that ever coalesced and formed of course all those original wolves in that original pack are all dead but like as a sort of piece of continuity the pack has kept going reminds me of i used to live in a house where none of the people on the lease lived in the house but the house just kept chugging along with various people moving in there was always four or five people in there none of them were the original people that ever rented the place in the first place so from the rent from the landlord's perspective it was like the tenants there wasn't one like through yeah there's no through line there's no through line they had no idea who was living in that house just the check came and it was like that house so the wolf pack they die and get replaced but it sort of exists all right it was originally called crystal creek pack it was renamed after molly baity who was the first female director of the u.s fish and wildlife service she actually died of cancer during the time of the reintroduction so eventually they call this pack molly's pack okay here's here's where that here's where this gets kind of interesting this pack has historically stayed put in the park they spent about 95 percent of their time in the park which means because the park's just you know full of people park rangers and whatnot they're habituated to humans but they've now drifted out of the park they've drifted eastward into the shoshone national forest in wyoming this is an area that has a lot of cattle grazing so there's fear now that this beloved park pack which is like a very like a very much a tourist attraction the tourist attraction has moved out into the woods they've moved out into the wild okay and there's cattle grazing there so people are anticipating this pack is gonna start getting in trouble for killing cattle all right is that are they in the like trophy zone they are they're in the trophy zone um now that brody brought it up i'll mention sorry well you're okay yeah wyoming has a area where they manage wolves as a trophy animal as they may that term's goofy they manage wolves as a big game animal in the north west corner of the state and the rest of the state they manage them basically as vermin vermin they run them like coyotes which is i'm not a huge fan of that at all but but they have their extremes but they have they have two units which demonstrate one of them is like sound management and one of them seems feels extreme to me however it's a fear now that this molly's pack is gonna start getting in trouble for killing cattle so the wolf protection is like the park protectionist the public they're saying hey we need to go in and suspend grazing leases in shoshone national forest to prevent these wolves from having a chance to kill a cow and get in trouble all right so they've tried they've tried to bump they've tried to bump the wolves back into the park because they're denning out of the park in a method they use to bump wolves is like you send people in there to kind of hang out near the den site to try to apply a little pressure and get them to nudge back over toward the park they managed to move them but not move them all the way and it feels as though as we're speaking right now right now they're over still in the national forest and they still got pups in the national forest this is wyoming's hunt area one they're in a hunt area there's a bad case of canine distemper in the park which is trimming back the wolves back into the park and they're not real bad so wyoming already reduced the the wolf quota in the trophy area by 50 percent but in this area where this molly's pack is hanging out there's currently from there's currently planned to be a four wolf hunt quota in that area that season's going to run from september 15th to december 31st again four wolf quota in that area so now you've got wolf advocates and even some politicians from jackson jackson hole politicians asking wyoming to to actually come in and halt the the the wolf hunt in unit one not to protect just some wolves in general but but to protect the wolves they like the park that don't know any better they're like it was not that they thought it was okay to hunt but they're like yeah we we understand there's a wolf hunt there but now that someone might get the ones we know and like we would like you to close it they're saying that to the state game commission and they're trying to put leverage on shoshone national forest to say no wolf hunting in shoshone national forest is here because some people's favorite wolves are over there they've tried this before and it hasn't worked for these little pressures like when some wolves were in colorado they tried to get wyoming to hunt and they didn't come in and say okay you can't hunt along the colorado border for fear that you might kill one of those wolves that we all know about in colorado the the wolf project director in yellowstone is a guy named dan staller he's taking a rather circumspect view on the old thing he said he said to a news agency that he'd hate to see an old alpha female like wolf 1090 f lose her life to hunting but that's part of the world of the wolf now it's been part of the world of the wolf for over 10 years yeah and a lot longer before that but they point out the 1090f is world famous is there um any speculation on why they chose to leave the park there's some people throwing darts at it but speculate i've read some speculations it felt like they kind of whiffed of not really know what we're talking about it was that there's been very mild winners here try this one on there's been very mild winners in the park and so the animals in the park are in very good shape because there's been wild mild winners so it's hard and so they're too hard for the wolves to catch there but somehow a little over to the east and shoshone national forest which is subject to the same weather patterns they're yeah you don't know yeah they move around yep they move around it's an invisible line that they don't recognize or know about they move huge distances in fact in a day's travel they could be back where they came from yep it's just they're not aware of the line but it's like the takeaway on this is there is an inherent danger in in the like in naming animals and creating individual personalities around animals of trying to protect this one and not that one this is the thing i often preach and i'm talking to when i'm talking about wildlife management to audiences that might not be familiar with the principles of wildlife management i always use the analogy of and i've used it here before apologies for using it again imagine that that that you have an apple tree and it produces apples animal rights people are very interested in the apples they take a shine to the individual apples on that tree a mature wildlife manager takes a shine to the individual apples on that tree a mature wildlife manager takes a shine to the individual about the individual apples and those apples get eaten those apples fall to the ground and die inevitably but that tree will crank for hundreds well it'll crank for a long time yeah decades and decades it'll produce and so here you have people fixating on the apples that they know the apple growing closest to their house which they which they that which they polish and look at and take pictures of and the tree is this kind of you know not of concern but when it's it you see this thing happen too when you get like you'll get like an albino animal in an area and people it'll put away for people to know that i have albino animal and they're like someone needs to come save the albino animal because i know that one yeah i recognize that individual you and it just it creates a mess it creates a mess um i can't tell what i hope happens here if they naturally move back into the honestly i think that that if they naturally move back into the park and it's like crisis averted you'd be disappointed no no it might be it might just be the best thing because it's better for wolf lovers and wolf hunters it might be the best thing because the state the national forest in the state cannot capitulate yeah like this is my recommendation yeah you can not capitulate yeah like we say the wolves don't know where the boundaries of the park are but there's boundaries right yeah so like they're not in there anymore maybe they should go back in it's like the state cannot i'm asking them like do you cannot capitulate to the to the to the mob yeah and say okay we're going to extend park jurisdictions way out into the national that's the thing is you can't manage park animals yeah they can't they can't give in but if the if the wolves move back yeah then the state doesn't need to capitulate and they don't need to deal with a firestorm with what's gonna happen when someone gets this this famous lady wolf i think there's some wolf hunters already plotting for that september 15th i know there are and i and i don't hate you i just i just i think that a lot of model i think a lot of managers federal level state level would if they move back they'll be like oh my god thank god yeah thank god i always get excited when an intelligent new action thriller comes out and i'm excited to check out the fix starring liam neeson in theaters friday september 11th directed by guy machay and also starring zachary levi and elnaz new rosy the fix follows a group of disgraced former cia operators on a dangerous mission deep inside tehran after devastating events in afghanistan leave them searching for redemption and a 25 million dollar score if you're a big fan of action suspense and military thrillers check it out the fix opens nationwide in theaters friday september 11th for me it isn't really fall until the mornings get cold the grouse start flushing velvet starts coming off those buck antlers garden season winds down and i start getting really excited about getting my kids into the woods if you are a mountain dew fan it's also time for you to stock up 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secures the irreplaceable lands we love learn more at conservationfund.org speaking of potential for really bad stuff um this this next segment could be the latest in an ongoing series titled online predictions markets are weird and seem bad for everything uh these are gambling sites where you can buy shares and an outcome it's typically yes or no question and it could be uh will so-and-so win an election will so-and-so score touchdown will it rain will trump say a certain word in topeka kansas yep will this disease spread into this other country will there be a hurricane in the next week um and it's a multi-billion dollar industry the ones you've probably heard of are kalshi and poly market um but there's recently a story in high country news reported by kylie moore a couple weeks ago and she wrote about the relationship between wildfires and prediction markets and she looked specifically at the 2025 la fires uh people spent 1.2 million dollars betting on 20 different questions about the outcome of those fires it was like how many acres are the fires going to burn where the fire is going to go uh when they'd be contained and in fact she points out there's another site that's launched called wildfire with uh wise instead of eyes uh where it's specifically about making predictions on fires and and the the problem here as you might guess is uh we spent a lot of time sort of as a as a society like public agencies nonprofits all this stuff explaining how people what people need to do to prevent man-made wildfires because it's pretty easy in the right conditions for one individual action to have devastating consequences and now there's a financial incentive for someone to go out and perhaps leave a campfire smoldering um like like anything that people can bet on someone's going to find a way to nudge the outcome that they want and so it's just really weird that we live in a time now where uh you could have financial incentive for a wildfire spreading um and it's a big distinction between betting on I looked at what else you can bet on and call she last night um how many inches of rain will fall in Houston in July whether or not there will be an eight magnitude earthquake in California before the end of this year uh how many hurricanes will be in the Atlantic like those are all things that you don't have control not easily manipulated right and so there's a reason like why it's more problematic for an athlete or a referee to bet on sports than it is a guy sitting up in the bleachers um but again like this is out there right now um these these markets justify it by saying this isn't uh they're saying this is a type of crowd-sourced forecasting meaning that you can look at polymarket and see where the expert money is saying that fire is going to go and so it's actually uh it's actually provides the most accurate information to people uh because they can crowdsource all this which is obviously like kind of a hedge yeah how many billions of dollars is uh are they making like those sites making off of gambling on these things yeah I mean the the like there's proposed legislation right now that prohibits betting related to terrorism uh assassinations wars crimes um or gambling on people's deaths because obviously being able to gamble on those things creates uh perverse incentives um but there's I bet Randall gets hit by a golf club or like think of it this way in perverse incentives like I bet Randall's gonna get a 200 inch block this year and then lo and behold he starts haunting his ass off yeah or he goes if I could if I could bet if I could bet a million dollars on whether or not I'll fall down the stairs today I will hurl myself from the third floor to the first but um wildfire has not yet like been among the things the band substances bands for proposed bands so understood just a weird we have enough headwinds in terms of wildfire prevention and fighting in this country yeah currently we don't need people gambling on whether or not that fire is going to spread to the next County because you know what somebody might go out there with a can of gas and and uh make that spread to the next County I already shared this with you with the prediction markets you're reading about all these kind of crazy bets about whatever like you know wars and famines whatever I was watching a movie called dnbn foo it was about the French it was about the French defeat by the Viet Minh which kind of ended up precipitating the American War in Vietnam yeah anyways in this movie um there's a there's a bedding salon a parlor a bedding parlor it's a big it's a big plot in the movie where everyone french vietnamese everyone is going into a bookie to place bets on what hills would fall and when the vietnam would overrun dnbn food including people who are directly in not directly involved in the fight but people who are manipulating right the actions of pertaining people yeah military guys whatever so the idea of of inside betting it's nothing inside trading betting on out betting on things that seem almost you know morally reprehensible yeah this is not new no it's just really bought kind of an age-old thing to the forefront yeah and it's accessible to everyone and it's except like it's it's in your pocket it's right there and anybody can do it and it's just giving more opportunity options to people who got bad gambling problems like to be able to bet on anything i'm not worried about those people you're not well i'm not a big like save you from yourself kind of guy well but that's a through line on this whole episode we already got that from the yellowstone thing you talked about earlier yeah i don't yeah i don't i don't necessarily i don't want to save people from themselves but it is yeah to to make it be that you can like profit by like building up a bet around a wildfire and placing the bet you know i get it but it's also like a difficult thing to regulate like you for the government to come say hey no more bet making sure which they do they did they did for a really long time this administration likes these markets though they've been like generally favorable towards them a recent example of like a better who controlled his own destiny was at the last super bowl at levi stadium in california there was a streaker within hours of that happening it came out that he placed i think it was a fifty thousand dollar bet on prediction markets that there would be a streaker during the super bowl plus he got like 10 buddies to do the same thing and so there were like millions of dollars exchanged and made because this guy was like well yeah there's going to be a streaker because i'm going to do it if you're that passionate about streaking and you're fully committed to doing it it would be silly to leave that money on the table i don't know that i don't know that that's the government's problem the super bowl streaker maybe not yeah that went okay i like i feel like if someone said man i got a lot was betting on you know whether to be a streaker at the super bowl i lost some of my hard-earned money and now i really feel like i should have been protected by the government i'd be like buddy i don't know man you're betting on streakers at the super bowl the other thing is if you outlaw it somebody's going to make it a thing anyway there's a lot of people aren't going to stop betting on it the mafia will rise again and make all of its money off of betting if if you know legalized gambling goes away so like someone's going to figure out how to do it and i'll point out i mean i'm not totally hip to current law but i think arson is generally illegal anyway correct so he's already got one problem yeah but they might really yeah they might really put the screws to you when it comes time to like issue a sentence if they're like you know you did this stuff yeah they go to the jury like and the son of a bet on it yeah the streaker he's breaking the law too when he does it not what's the law he's breaking yeah oh that one i don't know how i feel about that should that be illegal probably in certain contexts straight here betting on it i also think it came out that that guy had looked like wait a minute this dude has been a streaker before and i maybe i'm it's not been well reported on like this might have been the second time that he doubled it i mean he knew he'd come out on top financially just as you pointed out with the buffalo attacks people have been streaking long before the age of cell phones there's just something about it it makes you want to go out marriages are trigger happy people yeah yeah no i mean that metaphorically not just that they like to shoot they're just a it's hard to control them americans we're out there yeah yeah creeping up on wildlife maybe taking our clothes off maybe carl had a call she bet on the number of bison injuries this year in yellowstone and now he just cashed the over all right we're done we got one more hit on bear's ears we'll keep this brief uh if you hadn't read in the news the trump administration slashed the monument protections for bear's ears uh this was originally designated 2016 under president obama and it was uh it's about 1.4 million acre monument uh under the antiquities act ostensibly to stop rampant looting across 100 000 plus acre or 100 000 native archaeological sites was backed by a five tribe coalition et cetera et cetera trump won slash the monument in 2017 biden then fully restored in 2021 just a few weeks ago july 13 2026 trump two slashed it again down to about 120 000 acres and he did that by executive order yes by executive order and it's because of an interpretation he he's he feels that or his administration him whatever feels that he can reduce those based on a clause that says the minimum it's like the minimum amount or the least amount of space necessary uh the the end opponents to this say that you can create monuments you can't undo monuments um so basically yeah it's sorry the the clause is smallest area compatible um and it his rationales it locked up critical mineral resources uh from a hunting perspective it doesn't really change the hunting management that's still in the hands of utah but it does change the access because travel rules in a monument it restricts you to motorize travel strictly on designated roads protect cultural ruins and whatnot without the monument protections you can basically do whatever you can do on blm land which is a lot um then there's also an opening of a 60-day window for potential mining oil and gas leasing which will most likely happen in that area an interesting little the the opposite i wouldn't say the opposite but an interesting effect of this um is that when this whole political kerfuffle went down in 2016 with obama and then back and forth um pre-2016 visitation was 75 000 people annually with national headlines and all the digital apps and stuff it drove visitation of 400 000 visitors last year that's compared to so you know a hundred or sorry at three hundred percent increase um compared to a twenty percent increase across the utah big five in that same area and so that's altered game behavior that's increased back country pressure it also calls into question the idea that people are locked out of their undermining exactly yeah when visitation that's a good point when visitation they're locking us up except for the 400 000 people who went there yeah trump's quote was you can't do anything you can't go hunting you can't go fishing you can't do anything you can virtually not even walk on it that's that's completely false yeah yeah that was trump's as he like signed the paper but that was like we've covered we've covered every step of this thing for 10 years for 10 years um 10 years is a long time but it's not a long time i i think that when you look at this i think people often lose sight of the fact that this was first put in place under obama i think in the in the popular imagination this was like something dating back to teddy roosevelt theodore um and this is likely in two years this is likely to get undone again on an issue like this i become interested is what does it take to have this stop bouncing obama put it in place it was under trump undid it biden put it back in place trump was undoing it again um it's that executive order thing and you'd have to get rid of that and have it be congressional yeah they proclaim it to be and then getting it undone is a lot harder part of the issue and and where this winds up playing to outdoorsmen as people follow this debate back and forth is part of the issue is like um there's this fear of losing hunting and fishing privileges on the monument status uh i don't know the the executive action on this becomes a little bit silly and i do wonder what steps it would take and if it was going to get like some kind of congressional designation i'm i'm guessing that there would need to be a some serious gift there would need to be some serious debate and probably compromises made yeah and and it's and it might not land at obama's 1.6 yep and we have a late story coming in of the uh meat eater photo contest if you scroll down to the bottom of your screen phil if you can pull up that first one on the media website there's a contest that ended yesterday and these are the top three winners um that'll be chosen today when this podcast launches and the winner will choose two moultrie edge four trail cameras with solar packs and a hundred dollar meat eater store gift card and so these are the three we're looking at first one what do you see in there with that gator gator come to kill some coons who's winning that fight or a bunch of coons coming to gang up no i've seen videos where they come in right in there and grab them raccoons i'll let that that one gets my boat hands down man oh then with second one there's a mountain lion getting ready to smoke a fawn yeah i'm betting on the line i didn't even see that fawn yeah oh that's real interesting line damn and that's from july 6 that's that picture's only a few weeks old oh there's a guy that actually might still be digesting parts of that fawn there's a guy that actually his trail camera actually picked up the moment his and his arrow entered the vital area on a michigan eight whitetail buck i like that but i feel like i've seen stuff like that before i know because you could get yeah that's not like trail cammy like you could just pull a still off a video and have that there my buddy's got a picture of him and his dad in the stand and his dad is missing their target buck it's hilarious it's fine but it's just it's not trail cammy so what do we what do we vote i'd vote for the gator all right yeah all right team gator i'd like to be standing there to see what happens i kind of know what's going to happen oh but i but my buddy in louisiana has sent me these videos and the gator just comes up and grabs the raccoon i think they can't run away into these corn feeders yeah no the raccoon is like what is that what is that and all of a sudden the gator just walks off with the raccoon i like that the two are sort of hanging back there side by side his body's like i'll go get him bill you all right i i want to back up on something i don't mean to be light i don't mean to be um dismissive on the on the monument the bears years monument status at this point i just feel that this is not this is not done and i think that in two years we're probably going to see another reversal yeah um another football yeah i think it's going to be yeah it's going to be another it's it's like the it's today's anwar even though anwar is still today's anwar tomorrow's anwar it's yeah it's yeah it's going to be one of those things that just it's going to be a long time until this gets settled and it will not get settled through executive proclamations thanks for listening to the new show i always get excited when an intelligent new action thriller comes out and i'm 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