Ep 9: Maya Sherman, AI Expert at GPAI discusses the importance of diversity, data accountability, and algorithmic transparency

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Every single time I come all with you guys, right? Every single time. I don't, I don't, it's not my choice. Limits plays at every single time. Joey doesn't know how to turn the computer on back here, Nick. It's always me. How would I know that, Limits? It's your computer. I mean, it's just sign in. That's it. You don't have to turn on the computer in right in front of you. No, I'm scared of that thing. I bring my own computer. It's like bringing your lunch to work. You know, you know, I don't trust anything else. I'll do it myself. They're bringing us lunch today from Tim's corner market. Oh, I do like that. All right, Nick. What's going on here? When do the Steelers leave for Paris? Should there be concerns? Do they have concerns about the unrest right now in Paris? Do you like their travel plan? All of that. Let's talk about the trip itself here. Yeah. Well, they're leaving here Thursday night. They're going to get there Friday morning. Basically, the same thing they did last year, be when they went to Dublin. So they will practice literally basically right when they get off the plane and get to their hotel. It's not going to be a long practice. It's going to be a short one. They don't even have very intense Friday practices. So it doesn't really change much about what they do under a McCarthy staff. When the Haaland came over, they actually had a pretty spirited Friday practice straight off the jet lag plane while guys were barely awake. So that was interesting. But I think this year it's going to be a little different in that regard. It seems like it's already over there as you know. It seems like there's been mixed results. As long as they're not doing what, you know, Sean McVey and the Rams did and flying in the day before the game. Yeah. Just to kind of do that. I think you're okay. They'll get they'll get acclimated and adjusted to the time zone by Sunday. So that shouldn't be much of an issue. As for the unrest, I mean, it seemed like you're calm, brisk. You're certainly was like kind of a little bit against it yesterday. And he said kind of it looks crazy over there. It doesn't seem like the league or the organizations are going to budge on this. As I said, the Saints are already over there. So this game's probably going to be played in Europe one way or another. You're not really going to make the Saints come all the way back, especially with the Superdome booked out on Sunday. That's the other thing here. And so that is probably where this plays out. It could maybe if you moved it, you moved somewhere here, but if this is going to be called Joe, I mean, it's going to be called sometime within the next 24 hours. You can't move this any later than Wednesday night. Maybe that's Paris local time. And over there right now, it's about five. So that around this time Wednesday is when I would have to think it would have to be called that you would move that. But certainly doesn't seem like the NFL or the orgs are like super overly worried right now. It doesn't. It does not seem that way. At least not yet. All right. Let's get to the football portion of this. Let's go straight to the talking point for everybody from Sunday's game. And they're two of them really with Mike McCarthy's management at the end of the game. First, they get down to the Tampa three with whatever it was a minute 30 something left on the clock, right after the Dean interception. And then they throw on first down and then they run on second down and then they throw again on a pass option on third down. Let's sort this out. Was this a complete act of insanity from beginning to end? Were you okay with the first down play? What were your thoughts as you were watching it live and as you've had a chance to digest everything? They have an absurd pass rate inside the five. I think that they passed the ball like 80% of the time inside the five yard line this year, which is just quite crazy to think about. But I didn't hate the first play call. I hated the next two. You have to run the ball. You have to make them burn their next two time outs. Ideally, you would just run it three times. But I get it. You want to score the touchdown. You want to you want to kind of get up on them. You wouldn't trust Jayland Daniels to drive down the field in a minute 30 score with how he had played in the second half. Okay, fine. I understand that logic too. But you got to make them burn both time outs. Like that is the bare minimum. They cannot have a time out to work with. And then if you give them that time out as they did, it allowed them to work the whole field, right? It allowed them to work the middle of the field and open up the entire thing. You condense the field significantly for an offense if they don't have a time out there with about a minute 12 left is what they probably would have had. But I would have just preferred them to run the ball three times. I mean, the first and only running play they had in the drive, he gained two yards to the one yard line. They probably would have scored anyways if that's what Mike McCartney really wanted. And then I mean Aaron Rogers, it's a run pass option on third down. I don't really care what the look is. That's a veteran quarterback. You got to know better. Run the ball. Make them burn that second time out. So this was a large part to me, an act of just insanity overall. Because you lost, I mean, in terms of win probability loss, they lost darn near 15 to 20% of win probability just by their own decision making. And so it made really no sense at all to throw them all twice. I didn't love throwing the ball even once, but I understood the look and why they did it. But they probably should have just run this ball three times and they didn't score. Who cares? The Buccaneers would have had 30 seconds with no timeouts and a quarterback who seemingly couldn't complete a pass in the second half. So yeah, I think it was a complete malpractice from quarterback and head coach. So the first down play, I'm kind of with Dorn on that one. I figured they would sell out to stop the run and you just take the easy, easy touchdown. I was okay with that. The third down pass was an act of insanity. Not only was it a pass. It was, it was a risk, a risky pass. It looked like Metcalf broke it up more than tried to catch it. I mean, first of all, he's not good at the 50 50 ball anyway. Secondly, everything you just said about guaranteed stoppage of clock, et cetera. Do you have a theory on why Rogers chose to throw the ball there when he had the option just to run it? Well, they again, they did kind of sell out the stack the box. So maybe he thought they weren't going to score. And it certainly seemed like he and McCarthy were in. We're not in burn clock mode or forced them to use the timeout mode. It was score mode. And that is the mode. I don't know why they were in it. That's the logic behind this is they were in the kind of draws of saying, what's the best look to get us a touchdown? And the run pass option was just a simple duo play with the fade. I mean, that's it. That's not it. It wasn't a crazy. So that's McCarthy's fault. It's McCarthy's fault. Then in my opinion, he gave his quarterback an option. He, he get period. He gave him an option. And one of them was for a fade route that could have been picked off. That that that that's a high risk ground, no matter what a high risk play. That's McCarthy's fault. I agree with that. I agree with that. And listen, they might not even score anyways if they were on the ball in that play, but I don't think it was a great play to get that done. So yeah, it was a really weird play call all around the first downplay call. I mean, it basically almost worked. It took a really good play by Buckeneers defender to get that one broken up. So I understood that one to a degree, but that third downplay was just as just a disaster of a play overall that I do not understand why it was called in the first place. And you know Aaron has the propensity to sometimes kill run calls and throw the ball. Well, don't give him a kill in the play. Just say we're running the football. All right. You like it or you don't. Right. Well, let's hear McCarthy on that Nick from yesterday, what he said. When did the decision make you to kind of go for the kill shot there at the end by throwing the ball on that last session really regulation as opposed to maybe be conservative and make them burn their timeouts? Well, you know, I think that, you know, the sequence here, there were some, you know, run play options there. And in those are decisions that, you know, that are clearing. But yeah, it's football, you know, I get the post evaluation of those situations, but, you know, they're solid plays. I guess if you're looking to like tie a game and you need a touchdown, what the hell kind of explanation was that limits? I hadn't even heard that whole thing. Yeah, I just didn't understand it. Like why are you not trying to just at least win the clock battle, especially against a rookie quarterback. I guess any quarterback you want to win that clock battle. Though the sequence there were some run play options, those are decisions that are clear. No, they're not just by the very nature of it being a run pass option. And you're leaving the possibility that it won't be clear at all. In fact, it's very unclear. Nick, what do you think of his goal? comment. Yeah, mid no sense to me. I mean, it really does me like Joe, it continues to tell me they were in the mode to score a touchdown. And they never even thought about the time out to the ramifications of what they were going to do. And that's just being essentially up in the air about what the situation is. I mean, you can't just go for the kill shot for the touchdown there. It really makes no sense at all. Well, you can on first down, you can on first down, right? Sure. First down, you can second down and third down. The ball has to go somewhere where the clock's either going to continue running or you think you're going to score a touchdown without it compromising into a very risky play. Like if they want to do a pass play on third down, it should have been like a screen. That's what it should have been. Something like that, whereas a really quick out. And if Rodgers didn't see it, he could have gone down real quick on the clock, could it kept running or they, or they would have forced them to use a timeout. Why not just run three pushes in a row? They could have, they could have. I mean, but like the thing I keep coming back to, Joe, is they ran one run play from the three and Jaylen Warren gave two yards. I know. They seem to be in love with getting a passing touchdown for some reason. I don't know. Maybe it's just in their DNA. I don't know. It is. I don't think Aaron or Mike know another way to play football, other than air the ball out 65% of the time. And that's the way they do it. But it is, it is a mystifying call there. I don't really understand. He's lucky. He wasn't this week's Washington commanders. Like that's legit or the Eagles or whatever he almost was. Like he's lucky. They won. Let me ask you a question because that raises a question. Crazy thought. But I was just thinking this because McCarthy also said yesterday he has a guy in his ear. Did he not confirm that during the thing? Yeah. Okay. So he has a guy in his ear. I'm wondering if, if these head coaches who have people in their ear are doing more harm than, than, than good because Dan Quinn last night. Listen, the thing coming off what happened with the commanders was it last week? They're the one of the worst snafu's ever. And then last night, he thought he thought it was third down when it was fourth down. And after the fourth down play fails, he tries to run his field goal team out there. Listen, Dan Quinn might not be the smartest guy in the world. I don't know, but he's smarter than that. I can't help but wonder if having somebody in your ear is causing some of these guys to lose their minds on obvious things. Do you know what I mean? It's too many cooks in the kitchen. If you listen, if you're a head coach and you can't manage the end of a game by yourself, then what the hell are you doing out there? Why do you need somebody in your ear saying no, Dan, it's, it's third down, not fourth or no mic. There's a minute 36 left in the game. You should probably run here. Look at the scoreboard. They have two timeouts. There should be somebody to answer your questions. If you're McCarthy, how is that right? Two timeouts for them. Correct. Yes. Minute 36. Right. Yes. All right. Then I'll, I'll take it from here. Thank you. You know what I mean? Yeah. I can, I can get down with that, especially for McCarthy, who is calling the plays while doing it. That is a lot to take on your play. So he's communicating with Rogers while thinking, Oh, what's the next best play all while probably having a guy in his ear now? I know. I believe, I believe it's Tim Baronstein. I think that's how you pronounce the baronstein bears. Yeah. I don't, it's baronstein something like that. Did you watch that show? Nick is a kid. The baronstein bears, the baronstein bears. I didn't watch it much, but I know about it, obviously. Written by a couple of people from Beaver County, I might add where Ron Cook is from. No, my point that I might have gotten that I might have convoluted there was, I don't care if Mike McCarthy's calling the plays or not, or whatever Dan Quinn's doing. As a head coach, you could have too, too many voices or too loud of a voice in your ear at the end of a game in what should be a very simple situation. Sure. And what I mean by what I was going is, if you're calling the plays on top of that, I can imagine where you're calling the play thinking about the play and then, Oh, here comes this other voice and you just lose sight of a basic thing. Yeah. I think it's very easy to do. And so, I mean, and then I don't even know what to explain with, you know, the clock management on the field call. Oh, my mind's just, it's just mystifying. I mean, my McCarthy's type of Bay that there was a miscommunication between him and the referee on that where he did, he thought the ref hurt him and didn't realize the ref hurt didn't hear him. And so it wasted 20 seconds. Wow. I just, I mean, that is pretty wild. But also at that point, when he was at 13 seconds, he probably should have just let the ball run. He should have just let the clock run out. What did you hear the whistles? Like, what did you hear the referees blowing the whistle to signal time out? If you're Mike McCarthy standing on the sideline right next to the rep. I really don't like, let's hear his explanation for this before we even hear it. I just, I don't like his explanations. I think he needs to be more straightforward or own up to screwing something up. Like, yeah, I screwed that up. That was ridiculous, actually, at the end of the game. I should have told Aaron to run it. Or in this case, I hate to say this, but it seems like he made up this story about a miscommunication with the officials, just reading Alex Cazora from Steelers Depot, who went over the, the all 22 tape and was looking over at the sidelines. And he says it didn't look like, you know, McCarthy was in any sort of like, you know, upset over there that like somebody was not giving him a time out that he wanted or anything like that. As, as Cazora said, if McCarthy was eager to stop play, he needed to do it immediately. And he didn't do it. He say blamed it on miscommunication. And Cazora says, take a look at the play. After her sketch, watch the top of the screen as McCarthy, McCarthy slowly walks on the field with the line judge five yards away. He seems unconcerned with what's happening. And there doesn't appear to be any discussion with the official. So that leads me to wonder, is he just making up a story here to cover it for the fact that he totally screwed up the end of regulation? I don't really respect that if that's the case. Yeah. I mean, that's possible. I haven't watched the footage. So I don't know exactly, but I can imagine that would be something that could happen. And here's the other thing. I don't think people understand the balls used in kicking. He called a time out with 13 seconds left. That was the ball that Ted Hurst had caught. It's not a kicking ball. When he called time out, he allowed the Buccaneers to sub out that ball for an actual kicking ball that Chase McGlockland had wanted to use. So he actually gave the Buccaneers a better football and a better chance at making their field go by calling the time out. So if he didn't want to call a time out at that point, he should have just let him run it down and said, you know what? Do it. Just do it when the, when the clock is double double right? Like he did the worst thing he could have done, which was for some reason midpoint. If you're not going to call time out, I still don't agree with that, but don't call the time out. Make them kick with the sub-optimal football. I don't know what was going on, but yeah, kickers have a certain preference with what kind of balls they want to kick. I'm Ana Garcia, host of True Crime News, the podcast. Every week we bring you in-depth coverage on cases making headlines, as well as those that go under the radar, tune in for murders that defy explanation, mystery seeking exploration, and shocking secrets that will leave you breathless. Each week we honor the victims by going beyond the salacious in our search for justice. Crime never stops, and neither do we. Listen to True Crime News available now on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. I don't think anybody can argue with that, Nick. But yes, everything, everything about that situation at the end of the game was just very, very odd. And we're sitting here now two days later in the head coach has had two cracks at either owning up to something or logically explaining it to people and he's old for four. Yep. I mean, that is what he is. And I mean, I think Mike is always been a stubborn guy. If you talk with people out in Green Bay or Dallas, he kind of really stands by what he does and what he does do. He often sticks his heels in on it. I'm not surprised by that. That he has continued to justify them because he probably firmly does believe in his heart of hearts that he did the right thing. But obviously he did not by process. I mean, I think he's aware that the end of the game, that situation, not at the goal line necessarily, but what we were just talking about, that something was drastically wrong there. And he blamed it on a quote, miscommunication. Why won't he just clarify what the miscommunication was? That's what I don't understand. But let's move on. How about Patrick Queen? What's going on with him? days. Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot that's going on there. I do think he's like actually playing very well in coverage, but it's not doing much in the run game. That's the interesting thing about PQ is he has given them some pretty good coverage reps this year and the tackling is just abysmal. I mean, it really is. His mistackle rates up near the top of the league right now. He's not playing with a ton of urgency or physicality coming down hill like he usually does. To this be a guy that, you know, you end up seeing moved the trade deadline. Maybe I wouldn't be stunned, but I also think they don't have an actual replacement for him right now for what he does in coverage. So they probably are just stuck together as two sides. I don't think either sides are necessarily super happy with one another right now, but this is probably one that they just ride out until the end of the season and then he walks. That's kind of how I read on this. And listen, I think you're just going to have to take the ups and downs. He does give you a lot of utility and coverage, but the run defense and the mistackles have been absolutely brutal. All right, MVS for MVP, right? He's back in town. We've been waiting for this haven't we, Nick? Yeah. Once you saw him get released by the chargers, was everyone's first thought that he's going to come back because I think so. It was obvious. It was obvious. I mean, it was either going to be like MVS or Alan Lazard. And I think everyone kind of figured out was going to be one of the Rodgers McCarthy guys. And MVS coming back, it makes sense, I guess, in some respect that they get another outside water seer with size, but is anyone expecting anything from MVS right now? I mean, is he an appreciably better football player than Brandon Smith? I don't even know. It's just a, it's a, it's the type of guy that they bring in because they have connections in the past and they trust each other. And so there you have it. He's back, but I don't think this is going to move the needle anyway. You sound pretty pumped up about that signing. Um, she brings you back. They bring feeling back. Um, okay, let's move to the, uh, I was going to say the other side of the ball. Well, yes, back to the other side of the ball. Secondary wise, how do we feel about the Sean Elliott? Is, is what we're seeing with Everett and Samuel? Like, I think people, and I respect what they're doing. Like Samuel made some huge plays last week. Everett had a great interception this week. I still feel like they're guys that are going to be, picked on when we see good quarterbacks mixed with good receivers. Uh, but I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. Elliott and then the rest of the secondary, your thoughts. Yeah, I mean, I think this week is the week that they have always targeted for the Sean Elliott. So I'm expecting them back. I don't think he's going to have a full time role right away. I think they're going to ease him back into it. I think Spears Jennings is going to get some play and some run while Elliott continues to get going. They might even mix in different things with Jalen Ramsey at safety and Chiquam Briskler may be coming out the field a little bit just to kind of keep them fresh and run a rotation there. Um, because I don't want, I don't think they want Spears Jennings off the field because of his speed and what he's brought to the table. He's played pretty well since that Cleveland game. Um, and, but I do think the Sean Elliott's going to be a big boost for them, especially as a blitzer and someone that can help down in the box. So they're excited about that. But I think this secondary right now is in a really interesting place. Jalen Ramsey's like this chess piece that's just playing so well. But you don't really want Jalen Ramsey playing a ton of man-to-man coverage still, right? You kind of trying to make him do a lot of things in space and he's doing extremely well. Um, but I also think you look at Jamel Dean who is, frankly, when Jamel Dean's played on the field, he's been awesome. I mean, Jamel Dean has not had a bad game this year when he's been on the football field. So credit to them, they have a corner that they can still trust in man-to-man coverage. What I think that second cornerback spot is going to be is just going to be a week-to-week thing, Joe. I don't think it's going to be a strength, and it's probably going to be lean more weakness oftentimes. I think you're going to be right. I mean, think about the one drive that one touchdown drive the Bucks had. They just went at 23 the entire time. Yeah. They never got picked on that drive. And we've seen it similarly happen to Asante Samuel, like in the Bengals game, they just went at 22 all day. Um, the coach tried to do it, but he rose to the occasion, but I think when you face, for example, um, teams in the second half of the schedule, like, okay, do we think like Daelin Everett and Lamarge is not going to be targeted by Lamarge Axon? Like, I think so. I think they'll go after him. So yeah, I think that second corner spot's always going to be a bit of an issue. I think they're just going to have the mix-and-match guys see how it fits. Um, like, for example, in the in the Bengals game, Daelin Everett was obviously the better guy for that matchup. He needed they needed the physicality and size against Higgins. Well, in other games, it might need Asante Samuel's own coverage ability and his shifkinness a little more. And so I played by matchup as long as Jamel Dean's there, though, I think they can survive in the second area. Jamel Dean is a real game changer for them. And he's somebody, I think, that has been just an absolutely phenomenal sign. He has been great in every way. And doing so while not even being healthy, he heard his ankle in week one has battled through it and has not really missed a beat outside of missing one game. So credit to him for that. 30 seconds, Nick. Peyton Wilson told the team website that these Thursday padded practices have been really good and a key to what they're doing. Do you agree with that? I know there's a limited number that they can do over the course of a season. So they got to pick their spots. I do. They played with some physicality. You look at it up front and that has really shown up. I think in the trenches, more so than anything. They have the mentality they've needed on an offensive line. They've been nasty on the defensive line. They've been very stout. And so I think that really shows up when you watch it. Yeah. So yeah, those padded practices have really helped the guys, especially in the trenches. Nick, we appreciate the time, man. Great stuff as always. Next, Nick. Thanks for having me on guys. Appreciate as always. What a nice man, huh, Limits? He's off to Paris. Wait a second. He's going. He's going. Yeah. Why don't you tell me that at the beginning? I mean, I thought you would have figured that he's going. He covers the team and he travels to all the games. I didn't think he was going all the way over there. Yeah. You need to get him back on. Now, you know what? We'll get him from Paris. How's that? Agreed. When you get him Friday, we should get him Friday. Let's do that. He's leaving the night. Okay. Let's do that. Oh, man. I didn't think he was going all the way over the limits. That's my fault. I should have asked you and asked him. When I asked him at the beginning about Paris, why didn't he say I'm going? I don't know. That would have been just a natural follow to say, yeah, I'm going to the NFL events here and there and man bun takes over the Eiffel tower. This is incredible. You imagine the luscious locks flowing from the from the Eiffel tower. Paris will never be the same when Ferrari lands and goes there. Worth credit union. Refinance your auto loan today. Subject to credit approval, membership eligibility required. 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