Ep 72: Designing How Groups Think Together - Marco van Hout on AI and Facilitation

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The President said some things in his, I think, now famous nuance and subtlety where he told the Iranians that we may have to destroy them or maybe they should make a deal and they walked out. And so I think that this point, the Iranians, though, were basically setting terms that are truly unacceptable, trying to call us terrorists. I think that's why the American Representative got up and walked out to return the favor. This comes on the heels of President Trump sitting down with leaders from the Gulf region to discuss the conflict with Iran. Where do things sit after that walk out? Well, I think that that meeting with the Gulf countries was very strategically important and it included an expanded list, not just the Gulf Coordinating Council members, but also Turkey and a few others that really matter if Operation Economic Outcast is going to work. And that is the ultimate pressure mechanism. I'm sure the President received some advice and counsel from those who want the U.S. to do more or want the U.S. to do less. Hopefully he and the right kind of allies came out with a clear game plan for the near future. Here it goes next, President Trump is holding his cards close to the chest. He says he's going to take decisive action after the midterm election. Do I drive them into hell with no chance of survival and no hope of future greatness or generations? But I believe we'll make a deal right after the election because it doesn't make sense for them not to. They're waiting to see how I do in the midterm election. What they don't realize is that I'm not running. And so does that mean we won't do anything big before? You don't get to know that either. We're also on day two of Xi Jinping's three day visit to Washington. The White House has prepared a lot of pomp and circumstance for this visit, but of course, there's still a lot of tension around this visit. What are the topics that you expect President Trump and Xi to address? Well, the plate is extremely full for this visit. Really, when you think of anything related to China versus things that happen in the world, these are overlapping sets. Almost everything we deal with from our border and homeland security to our public health to dealing with Russia and Ukraine, everything is a China file. And so there's almost nothing the presidents don't need to discuss. I think AI safety is going to be one of the broad themes that is a priority, should be a priority, freedom of navigation in East Asia and China being a little bit more responsible in that front should be a part of the conversation. Where do we land on our economic negotiations? Do we extend the terror of truce of last year? I think that's the most likely measurable outcome, whether it's a one-year extension or an agreement to continue talks. I think in effect, that's the most likely output of this conversation. But managed competition is the way I would put it, not looking for structural breakouts. One other question on the AI front, Trump has been very clear that he is against over regulation on this, kind of any regulation on this. What are we hearing from China? Well, the Chinese favor regulation, and they favor regulation where the ultimate decider is the Communist Party of China. And that is why ultimately I think strategically coupling is the direction we are going to have to go. I don't think that's the president's near term preferred approach, but I think that's what the system is forcing us, because I don't think America or allies can be dependent to bond and integrated with a system where the Communist Party of China is our safety monitor. They didn't keep us safe from COVID. They won't keep us safe from a breakout AI. Well, certainly a key issue for a lot of Americans, it's on a lot of people's minds right now. It'll be interesting to see if they do come to some kind of agreement. 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Tensions between the U.S. and the U.K. over a deal involving a joint military base have come to a head this week as the U.K.'s Prime Minister was in New York. The U.K. wants to transfer authority for the Chagos Islands to Mauritius, but President Trump has slammed that deal as terrible. Meanwhile, back in England, yet more boats full of alert. legal immigrants have sparked a strong response from citizens. Joining us to discuss all this is Bev Turner, host of GB News Late Show Live. Great to have you on again. - Hi guys. - So let's start with your new prime minister here in the US for the UN. He's come at a crucial time. He gave a big speech. He sat down with Trump. First, how did it go for him here in New York? - Very good. In terms of them meeting. I was there in the room. President Trump came to me as part of the American press for a question. I got to ask both of them prime minister Andy Burnham a question and also Trump. Between them, the atmosphere was exactly as I predicted. They get along very well on the surface. 10 out of 10 said Downing Street in terms of the success. They want to reset the relationship between our two countries after the relationship with Keir Starmer was not great. - Yeah. - Later in the day, Andy Burnham went on stage and delivered his speech at the United Nations General Assembly. And it was like a globalist's dream. It was whole opposite to everything that President Trump had said in the morning. Literally every issue, whether it's about net zero, about Russia, about DEI, about globalism, about working together, about bureaucracy. I mean, it was so far from what Trump had said in the morning that I really wished that Andy Burnham had done his speech before they met because I think that meeting would have had a very different tone. Now that we know more about Andy Burnham and his vision for the UK, watch this space 'cause that relationship, I believe, is not going to maintain in such a happy way. - Now as to this Diego Garcia base blow up in the Chegos Islands, it does appear the UK may be backing down after Trump's hard pushback on this. What is the situation currently? - This is a really complex story. And I was very interested to see that all the British newspapers, the day after these two met, led with this story. I was in the room, it was a throwaway line from President Trump about Chegos. He says it's a terrible deal, and it is a terrible deal, but I don't genuinely think President Trump truly understands it. Why? Because nobody in the UK either really truly understands it. Effectively, in the most simplistic terms, we are giving the Chegos Islands to Mauritius for colonial reparations. There's nothing in it for us to give it back, but it was decided by an international court that that's what we would do. The deal means that we rent back the military base there, Diego Garcia. That is critical to America as well, particularly in relation to China. It's a very complicated situation. We understand that President Trump can veto this deal. He can literally say, no, will he do that? It will cause a diplomatic war between our two countries if he does that. But Andy Bohnen will say, I didn't inherit this even from Kim Starmer. I inherited this deal from the conservative government that we're in power for 14 years. And there is some truth to that. But it's incredibly difficult to get a clear definition from either side what the right thing is to do and what legally we can do. I fear that the UK is tied into this. And unless President Trump steps in, we are going to give these islands away. Now, we've also been tracking with you for several weeks now. This ongoing saga of Flotillas of illegal immigrants arriving in places like Port Smith. There's also been some more even coming in from France along with more protests. What's the latest on that front? This story is getting stranger and stranger by the day. And many of us who are British are trying to work out what exactly is going on behind the scenes. We've had, as you know, legions of illegal migrants that have been coming to our shores for 10 years or more. The numbers have gone down. Andy Bernan-Brags, that they're down by 50% on what they were last year. But they are still coming over in huge numbers. What we've seen recently, which has changed, is that protesters are being proactive. They're not passively standing maybe outside a hotel with banners, they're going to the beach. They're going to the shores. We even saw one incident of a protester taking a knife to one of the dinghies as it was taking off in France. They are going after them. There's a kind of vigilante protesting going on in the UK. It's reaching boiling points in the UK. And I cannot see where this ends other than things getting pretty messy. - Well, as you said, it does appear like this situation is just going to escalate in the near future. Bev, thank you so much for coming on. - Thank you. - A new investigative report in the California's taxpayer-funded welfare programs reveals a shadow welfare system benefiting illegal immigrants with benefits including college grants, low cost, core insurance, and smartphones. - We're joined by one of the authors of the report, Kenneth Schrupp, investigative reporter for City Journal. Kenneth, thanks for coming on. - It's a pleasure, me on, thank you, Robbie. - So you've teamed up with Chris Rufo, who our audience knows well as well as Austin Hufford to write this piece. All of you all are at City Journal. Can you just tell us what you mean by a shadow welfare system that you guys are saying is running in California right now? - Right, so the federal government prohibits use of many federal funds for illegal immigrants to receive direct benefits from. To overcome this, California has treated a whole slew of 100% state-funded programs that are going directly to illegal immigrants. This includes health care. There's gonna be a new food stamp program for people who are over 50 who are illegal immigrants that's opening up in October of next year. We're also looking at programs like you can get free cell phones, you can get subsidized section eight housing on behalf of some of your household members. The actual benefits go on and on and on. - And they're just adding to these. There's new programs. - There's a new program every year. I mean, just recently Governor Newsom signed a law allowing people to sign up for the free cell phones using their Mexican consular IDs. So these changes are happening all the time and the coverage is only growing. - So how did you guys begin to uncover all of this? - At first, you have to look at sort of the available scope of programs. There's a headline, "Medical," of course, which was expanded by Governor Newsom to include all illegal immigrants. There have been some changes and restrictions in that since our state really reached a financial breaking point in the last year or so. But again, you have to go into the government offices yourselves and start asking questions. Okay, well, what benefits can people sign up for? And they're very straightforward about it. Now, as a former California resident, is this something that regular middle-class Californians can access or do you have to be here illegally to get some of these things? - Some of these are only available to non-citizens. There is a specific program that replaces social disability payments called Cash Assistance Program for immigrants. It's quite literally in the name. And when we asked a welfare officer, if you could sign up for this, if you're here illegally, they said not legal, doesn't matter just as long as you're not a citizen. So this is a cash payment to people who are 65 or older. There's a presumption that people over 65 won't be deported. So that's counting, of course, as a prerequisite to people to start getting some of these benefits. - Now, our Californians aware that their tax dollars are going to these initiatives. This is something that people are excited about or is this something that is somewhat covered? - Look, I don't think people are really aware of this and to the extent to which you can get these benefits. By our estimates, a family of five, let's say two illegal immigrant parents who had the household, there's an illegal immigrant grandparent and two U.S. born children, they can collect benefits in excess of $100,000 a year in cash and services. - Oh my gosh. - If you want that as a middle class California family, you're going to have to make $160,000 a year to get the same amount of stuff. And meanwhile, that's with zero reported income. They can get all of that without any reported income. So if they're working under the table, that's just cash that goes right to their pockets. - And to be clear, is this actually allowed under the California Constitution? - Currently, yes. But voters in California approved a proposition in the 1990s, Prop 187, which actually banned illegal immigrants from getting California services aside from emergency health care. That was overturned and killed essentially when the Democrat's new governor, great Davis, decided not to continue the appeal to protect the law. And when you're looking at the federal level, of course, you're allowed to create your own state program and fund it with state funds, how you like. The one big, beautiful bill act did, in fact, reduce some Medicaid reimbursements or at least the percentage rate if you do enroll legal immigrants in your Medicaid expansion system. And, but again, the payment still grew because the expenditures of the program still grew. - Well, just a thumb in the nose of middle-class Californians as usual. Kenneth, thanks so much for coming on. - Thanks for having me. - Thanks for waking up with us. The reporting that fuels this show is only possible because you tune in every day and because of our daily wire subscribers. - To enjoy the show, add free and join our mission, become a member at dailywire.com. 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