Ep #7 | Live from ICSC: The Smart Locker Debut, Austin Delivery This Summer, and the Man Who Predicted It All

It seems strange to think to say that I think the moment is the actual incommissionality for the job. A raft of the defeats, because both of those defeats had the potential to turn into a bigger thing. The Newcastle won. It's pretty much the only time he's hampered the players and he went for them in the dressing room after that game. It was like need. Both of those could have been and Rammer would have been a crisis. Under Carrick they never felt like a crisis. They were just defeats and everyone asked for a lost game, some of them on the league. He didn't turn them into a crisis and I think that ability to prove he can handle the pressure and he could deal with those moments was massive because Panagana and Rammer wouldn't. Before we jump into this podcast, let's just have a first word from our sponsors, NordVPN, the fastest VPN in the world and an absolute essential travelling companion. You can use NordVPN on 10 devices with just one account, easily switching your virtual occasion to access apps and websites in other countries. But if you're out of the country, make sure that you've got NordVPN to be able to use your subscriptions and watch the live sport that you might miss. If you're at home, use it to see if you can save money with products that might be cheaper in another region. Go to nordvpn.com/manchester to get four extra mums on the two-year plan. The link is also in the podcast description. Hello and welcome to the Manchester is Red Podcast. My name is Stephen Realston recording this episode on a Friday morning. I'm joined by Tyrone Marshall as usual recording this episode very, very soon after the announcement that Michael Carrick has been hired as its permanent head coach on a two-year contract. It was a formality when you was going to happen. It was just a matter of when it would be announced. It's finally been announced Ty ironically on your half day. I'm working a full day so I don't mind. But we'll try to keep this podcast pretty swift but let's get into it. Big news, as I say, when you was going to happen. We did know it was going to happen yet. Announced within 10 or 15 minutes of Pep Guardiola leaving City as well. I think the two Manchester clubs trying to give pack reporters a coroner, I think, with both of those events happening within 15 minutes each other on a Friday. Maybe United Revenge for what happened at Old Trafford yesterday, which perhaps we'll talk to on in a little bit, Stephen. But yeah, we did know it was coming. It's hard. I was thinking on the way up here. We're just admittedly there's only one flight there so it wasn't that much of a time. What else can we say about this? Like we're spoken of at it for so often. It is obviously the right appointment. He had to get the job, especially once Tuckle was a no go. No, I got him was a no go and Rika was a no go. It had to be Carrick. I think, you know, there's a couple of managers you can look at in the Premier League and think, do they deserve a shot? In I am a really definitely one of them. He's someone, you know, it looked at why wouldn't you? The job he's done at Villa is incredible. But he's had a crack at Arsenal and PSG. It's not really worked. He is a, well, I think he's more of a manager than a head coach and you'd probably look at Villa's recruitment and say, like, it's noticeable. That Villa team, the one-year-old league, basically the Villa team, he inherited like his signings at Villa. The signings at Villa haven't been great. You know, that was basically the team that inherited and fair plays and proved those players. But transfer records, not brilliant. Irola, we spoke about Irola. I think he's got a big future. But why would you risk appointing him when Carrick is just showing you he can cope with the pressure? And that is a, you know, a big region he got the job. Is that he is one 11 of 16 games? I've just had a long read. I think arguably the, it seems strange thing to say, but I think the moment is that actually coming tonight at least for the job are after the defeats because both of those defeats had the potential to turn into a bigger, a bigger thing. The newcastle one is pretty much the only time he's hammered the players and he went for them in the dressing room after that game. And that was the worst performance, probably the 10, the 10 men for 45 minutes against newcastle. Then he had Villa at home 10 days later. That had the potential to spiral leads again, a really bad performance right at the point where you thought, you know, this is the time that Carrick's going to get the job. Both of those, someone says me both of those are the kind of moments that under 10 are going definitely ammarine. They spiral and they become an issue and they feed into another defeat and another poor performance with Carrick. They were both like, here's what went wrong. I'll hammer the players at newcastle. This is what happened within a day. It's gone. It's forgotten about. And it was like, neither, both of those could have been, an under-ammarine would have been a crisis. Under Carrick, they never felt like a crisis. They were just defeats and everyone asked them to have lost games and they've won the league. They didn't turn them into a crisis. And I think that ability to prove he can handle the pressure and he could deal with those moments was massive because 10 are going to ammarine couldn't. And there's no guarantee someone like Andonia Raiola could as well. So I think it's an obvious and the right decision. You made the perfect start in the beating in the city and Arsenal and his first two matches. Arsenal had not lost the game at the Emirates at that point all season and what a performance that was down there in North London. Some of the big wins, Liverpool, Chelsea, Asden Villa, to in 36 points in the period that he's been in charge more than any other manager. It was really a no brainer at this point, as you've said, when you look at the market, Mike Cavia was, if an elite manager was available, had to go for that candidate, but with the market the way it was, no one was available. Michael Carrick was undoubtedly the right choice. As you see, we're kind of reflecting on how do we speak about this now because we've spoken about it at length. I think what we can do is throw it forward and talk about next season. Now, the logical thing, as you've said, if you finish third would be lock up. And if you lock up, as mentioned at the press conference, just gone on Thursday afternoon, that's Arsenal and Manchester City. My argument would be, of course, you have to have the ambition, of course, you have to try to push up there and make some really good saying into someone to do that. But I'd like to see you know, it just consolidate in the top four next season. I think top four should be the target, really consolidate in the Champions League. Go a bit further in that. Go a bit further in the cup competitions because they can't possibly do much worse than last year and have that really strong season to then build for a potential title charge the air after. So it's a two year contract. We'll clarify there's no option there. There was some nice round that we've had it confirmed this morning. So do you think it's a title charge next season? I just think it's important to be realistic. I don't think you go into next season saying we're going to win the league, but I also don't think you go into next season saying let's try and just make sure we finish in the top five because why would you? That's a negative four time and before we go in back to the top four. They've just finished third. They finish four next season. I mean, that's going backwards. There's no getting away from the fact that that is going backwards. And I don't think, you know, Karik is saying the right things and he's saying the right things because he gets Manchester United and he's saying yesterday, the last couple of weeks, we are looking upwards. We are looking at those clubs and they are, they're 14 points off Arsenal at the moment only twice before they finish within 14 points of top spot in the league. And I think it was 12 points in sauce guards final full season and it was 14 points in 10 hugs first season. The following seasons, they were 29 and 31 points off top spot. So they have been here before. They've been here where you think everything is pointing in the right direction and it unravels spectacularly. So you don't want it to unravel, but also you can't go in going. Let's just make sure things don't know. No, but you've got to look at the opponent's around you and obviously look, we've just had a major announcement that Pep Guard, Pep Guardiola, Setteliff, Patsitia so well run, they will be around it, Arsenal the Premier League champions, you'd expect Liverpool to be a lot better than they have. And certain to you around Chelsea Fair enough, they'll be around a Tottenborough. But the Chelsea will be more of a threat than Liverpool. Well, they really, yeah, that's a big statement. But there's going to be some stiff competition. It's not this season's been very, very unique in the sense that a lot of big teams have fluffed the lines and fair play the Carrick and the Scursion stuff because they've done very well to capitalise on that. But next season is going to be more competition. But you're saying this season was unique. Well, it's exactly what happened last season. I'm going to never pull one the league. So two seasons in a row, that's happened. So I don't think this one's in the season. No team is going to get like 95 points next season. I would be staggered if that happened. No one is getting 95 points next season. So if the league has been one by 85, then it's achievable. It's achievable for Arsenal and City. It's achievable for United. It's achievable for Chelsea. It's probably achievable for Liverpool. Chelsea Liverpool have been awful this season. They have as bad as they are. They have. And you would like to say you would expect them to improve certainly. I think Chelsea of Chelsea are probably coming from a better base. It feels like there's more issues to sort of Liverpool and obviously big players going. Like I say, I don't clearly not going to be favourites for the league next year. But if it was a sitting in the year and say they've got 84 or 85 points and won the league. I wouldn't be like, wow, right. I never saw that coming because it's not impossible. And they won the league within the next two years. And I know you've made the point before. People have like look at the way Arteta did it. Arteta doing her is an absolute mess. Like the difference between what Carrick is inheriting and what Arteta is inheriting is pretty big. Arteta was inheriting a team that were a disaster culturally where Thunder had slipped where the football was really poor. They were nowhere near it. Like Carrick's in charge of the third best team in the Premier League this season. And a lot of that is his good work. But the squad is in a really good place, especially off the pitch. Like that squad is really, really like united. The togetherness is as good as it's been for years, I think. So I think there's a lot of things that are in a good place. It is because someone asked the question yesterday. It is going to live and die by recruitments because pretty much every club does. And obviously there's some gaps in that squad that are going to need one big gap. They're going to need filling. They're going to need greater depths with going into the league. to Europe and the Champions League next year. And I don't think Karik is the type of manager that's gonna sit there on a type of head coach, that's gonna sit there and say, the target, the Premier League, like we've been through enough press conferences to know that he's not gonna rock up in free season and say this is the target. He's not gonna say it's the Premier League, he's not gonna say it's just getting in the Champions League. He's just gonna say, let's win every game and see where we end up at the end of the season. - And I think privately he will be talking, the Premier League, as you've said, he understands the club he gets it. - For the people who think it's the World Cup. - Yeah, yeah, and I understand that. But I think, from my personal opinion, I think top four would be good season next year. If it comes to that and the fact, good running the cups, maybe it got to a final, you could turn around and say, you know what, Karik's done another very good job. And then next season after that, you judge in a bit more harshly because you're looking to the top of the Premier League after that. We'll give some flowers to his backroom staff as well because they've been so important in this little turnaround here over the last five months. They haven't been officially announced this morning with the announcement because the contracts are still only to be finalised to find a deal, but that's set to be a formality. So Steve Holland, the assistant manager, he's been fantastic. A lot of experience there. I've actually interviewed someone who worked for England that's going to put that piece out to provide some insight into what he's like, but by all accounts, just a real, real important football man who really gets it with vast experience. You've got Travis Binion there, Jonathan Woodgate and Johnny Evans, some really, really good coaches. And there's a strong blend of skill set and skill set and personality amongst those coaches. They've made such a difference with Praise Carrick, but when he picked up his Marjoram and Fallen January, he praised the players and he praised his coaches. They've been key out there. Yeah, absolutely. They've been really, really important. And we've had a chance to see the work they do because they've had those weeks on the training ground. They've had the chance to do all that individual work. A lot of those privileges aren't going to be there next year. But it is, you know, you think back to that kind of week in January and when they put it together and you know, fair play, you have to say, it's come out like to put that coaching stuff together. All right, Carrick, Carrick and Woodgate have worked together at Borough. Carrick and Evans have played together. But Steve Holland didn't have any real relationship with any of those people. Travis Binion was promoted through the academy and they've worked brilliantly and developed relationships brilliantly. And I think Carrick and especially, you know, I know it's not the dumb thing, it's not the popular thing, but Jason Wilcox deserves credit for helping put together that background team in such a short period of time because they have geled really, really well. And like I say, it looks like they're all going to stay on with two-year deals. Be interesting to see if they add to it in the summer. I think it's probably a decent chance they add to it. Certainly someone with a Johnny Emerson, a lot of set piece stuff, but I think there's a chance one more body comes in. But yeah, they've got a really, really good balance there, haven't they? It is one of the fascinating things next season to see how they react to two games a week because we've made the point previously that two of the three or four, maybe two of the three poorest performances have been the midweek games West Damien Newcastle. But it's a very short sample size to John John. But it is, that is one of the biggest areas of intrigue, I think, next year because it does change the dynamic. But as we've mentioned, they have used that time on the pitch at Carrington very well, very efficiently. And Ruben Amrum had that time, but he didn't make them most of it with Fitch Curson and stuff. And the without Surrounding Amrum's cushion stuff mean Carlos Fernandez and Diel Candillo. Very young in the late 20s. And for a coach and stuff at Manchester United, that is very young. And you look at someone, again, we're looking at Steve Holland. He's been around the game for 34 years. It's just complete chalk and cheese, really, the experience and the kind of aura and knowledge you have around the place. By all accounts, I'm Ramstaff were popular. I think some of them did do good bit, but there was a certain one, as I've mentioned, who used to obviously the warm-ups sometimes before the games. And I have a personal doubt about all the warm-ups. So yeah, we've discussed expectations for next season. Is anything else we really want to add around this time? Because we've kind of discussed it a lot with Carrick. It's fairly well-deserved. And we both said quite a few months ago, now early doors, probably around March time, that we followed. He was assuring for the job and rightly so. Because he isn't the opportunity to see this club forward. That's it, yeah. I don't think he-- you can't appoint him, seeing when 11 of 16 games get the team into third and then turn away and go somewhere else. Maybe if Lewis Henry Kay had said, "You know what? "I'm sick of winning Champions League's "and producing the best team in Europe with PSG. "I fancy a crack at United." Must be boring that. Maybe he must be terrible. Maybe you would say, yeah, come on then. Off you go, Michael. But I think, like, say, he's earned the chance. I think it felt like he was the obvious appointment for a while, really. Didn't Gary Neville say that? Didn't in one of his sky sports, pod Cassie said, "Oh, I think maybe Michael should just say, "I've done a good job and did." Quatt'n got classy thing in move away. I think-- I feel like it might have been more-- Sure he did. I think it was actually Neville who said that. I mean, they've both come out with some questions. They both land with some mad stuff recently, yeah. And then, I mean, Karate getting the job, and that's, for be honest, it's going to be interesting to see how things go with Roy Kean because he's clearly got a feud there. I certainly, there's got being his bonnet about everything around United at the moment, it seems. But yeah, undoubtedly, the right man for the job. I want to call him a safe pair of fans. It feels a little bit-- it almost feels like a thinly veiled criticism, doesn't it? Yeah, I think it's a really good fan of the fans, but that is what he is. And yeah, he-- I was going to say he just gets it, but again, that's kind of like-- he does get it, but I think there is more-- There's a life point, yeah. There's more to it than that, because it's not just about just getting it. It's about, like I say, the big thing, I think, is the way he's dealt with the pressure, the way he deals with those press conferences, the way he deals with those moments where a more inexperienced manager and experience around that club can let it spiral. Do you not think that comes in? It's very cliché. It's a bit cringy to say. He gets it, he knows the club, but it comes into it. And this is what we would discuss when we were getting into the potential alternatives. Eriola, Glazna, for example. It's such a massive leap to come up from those clubs. Yeah, yeah. And he understands the fabric of it, and he knows how it's speaking. He knows how to talk, and he knows how to react around the players. It means something. It definitely does. Yeah, I think it means something in conjunction with his person. Not saying that's OK. Yeah, it's standalone. That's not the reason you should give anyone the job. There's going to be a lot more around that, but it comes into it. Yeah, it does come into it. Well, I think it comes into it in conjunction with his personality. Like his personality and his understanding of having been around it and had so much experience there makes him a good fit for sure. Press comments are going to continue to be a bit more forthright. Pretty mundane. Yeah, but I think fans quite like it. I think you know, it's stuff quite like it after a manager, as I've said, who literally said to us, I will give you a head like, yes. A positive head, legs moving forward, hopefully, I'll leave it there for part one. Bring your digital life to a whole new level with NordVPN. Choose the fastest VPN on the planet and explore the internet without interruption. Welcome back to part two of the Manchester is read podcast. Now, Ty, it's taken us this long, a bit rude of United to announce Michael Carrick's contract day after the media game, because we just wanted to come onto the podcast and discuss the media game. Yes, yes. We'll quickly run through this match before looking ahead to Brighton, which is the final game of the season, which is going to be far more boring than the game that we played. Not as important as game we play. I have not as important, which is why this is not the start, the second part, not at the end of the podcast. We've mentioned on the podcast a few times, if you've listened, that at the end of the season, the club, we absolutely love it, put on a game between journalists and club media staff. It's the club media staff, isn't it? I think there's a few other staff members there this year. Yeah, but I think they've branched out and recruited a few more. Yeah, they're very kindly put into that place. Very kindly put the game on. It's not something we'd say for granted, because we've done it a few times now, which has gone on for a bit. So they very kindly put that on and there's some refreshments as well put on and obviously we go on the kit. So this year, Ty, we were free and ill down for 13 minutes to go, which is very embarrassed and considerate in all the chat amongst journalists about, you know, finally getting that one over the media staff. I've been playing for five, five, six years, member long a man. We've never, we're not one in that time period. This was my third appearance and we'd lost heavily. Drawn one, so there was progress last year, but it looked like it was going to be a heavy defeat. And then bloody hell, I come back for three and three and a half, 16. The miracle of M16 happened. Yeah, from three and a half hours with 13 minutes to go to four three, I did enjoy the moment of going four three up and I ran to the, I was in goal and ran to the sideline to celebrate with a few people and then I think someone said to the ref, ref how long just they went about to kick off and he went 10 seconds and it was like, I yes, I was like, just stand on my line and wait for this shot and in the end, it didn't even reach me. But yeah, yeah, it was brilliant, what it like. I mean, that's the, the continue is just a friendly game like the celebrations at the end were possibly over. It's something I did look that last night. I think, bit embarrassing. We got a bit too far there, but yeah, like, I mean, I, I raised the, run the length of the pitch like Sony Lomons to celebrate the three three and then got back and my goal of thought I am absolutely knackered now. If they attack, I'm not sure I've got the energy to move. But yeah, great, great day and who got the goal, Stephen? I get the trumpet out. You're not the guest. What a will say. I think when it was Neil, no, you made, it wasn't on this. You made a brilliant hit and you are a very good goalkeeper for that. I told my editor that it's when I got the bad set. You seem a bit surprised when I told him how good a goal could be. Really? Yeah, no, yeah, it's really good and go because you were sharing minutes with another. I was. Yes, yeah, I didn't consider you done it for the second year in a row. I didn't consider any in my. You would be sent out on this. Well, not even he would be a being. Yeah, yeah. I can say Tommy and but I put some respect on Tommy and say, yes, so someone would go back into the game. It was four one and I scored a volley at the strep for the end. Yeah. - Yes. - Do you know what? It's on all of your social media channels, isn't it? I think you signed up for some new social media channels actually just opposed it on there last night. So, I was quite unsure if anyone listening can find it easily enough. - It's quite humble at first, 'cause I didn't want to overplay it. - So, because it's only humble, something. - As we said at the same speech, sometimes when you think about these moments, in your head you think they look brilliant, but when you watch them back, it actually looks really rubbish and slow. But then when I finally watched the back of what, do you know what that's actually? - It was good, it was a pretty good finish. - It was a fluke, it was definitely a fluke. - The ball came in, I swung my leg in. - You got fortunate the ball reached you, maybe. I think Mr. Haddenley, but from a corner. But yeah, your volley was very good. - So that was four, two, but I mean, there was still, as we've said, not long left. Was it someone who's scored again? - From a pre-assist. I will say I don't know if there's a stat for that, but there is no. So yeah, I think we had a corner, didn't we? I just retrieved the ball on, pushed everyone up, retrieved the ball on halfway, put it back in, little flick on and made it three, three. - Michael O'Brien from the Premier League, who we met for the first time. Obviously met some of the communication staff before down in the mix-horns in the right-tolders areas, but he was a good footballer. - Michael, yeah. - And he scored the match winner. And as you've said, the celebrations were probably a bit of a top. - They probably were. I mean, if we'd won that game, like two, no or three, one or four, one or something, would he just be like, yeah, that's good. It was the manner of it. I think I sank to my knees when the final whistle went in there. - An enjoyment. - Yeah, and yeah. There was a photographer there, there was potentially a good photo of us, I think, celebrating, wasn't it? So maybe we'll, maybe if that comes to us, we'll share it. But yeah, it was. It was a very, finally get the win, was an enjoyable moment. And to get the win in such a dramatic manner, it was easily the most dramatic game played at Old Trafford, since Leon last year, I would say. - Yeah. If you do want to see Michael as tight, he says, you don't have to go far. You don't have to go far. - It is. - It would have to look hard for that goal, if not. - And I think Simon Stone yesterday, by the time of the press conference, was first the afternoon, he said, "Are you still bloody talking about this goal? "Are you shut up?" - I thought it was a bit much to go up to Michael Carrick and show him the replay of the comments on it in the press conference. - Well, when Carrick came into the press conference, which one of you's played in that game? - In that game, then. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's got a role, Michael. - Exactly. Okay, an actual proper game here, with some proper fitness, I'm sure. - I thought it was my brilliant. - Sorry? - I thought we were talking about brilliant. - Brighton Final of the season, hopefully the sun will be out. It was two years ago when you're not it went down to the MX stadium. We're expecting changes again. The question is which changes will happen. I suppose some young players will get a chance. I told Jim to it should be travelling down. I'd probably give him a game, but I like the C-Shayleys. He's start myself. I'd probably introduce Twits from off the bench. We've mentioned these young players before, have no again. We are conscious. We are repeating ourselves a bit on these podcasts, but it'd be great to see some of these young players get a chance, wouldn't it? - Yeah, it would. I mean, I got the impression from what Carrick said that he's going to start a pretty strong team or maybe even the strongest team. Obviously, Casamero has gone. Casamero was on a flight back to Madrid on Sunday night, straight after the game. Didn't even make the team bonding meal. Hello, everyone else went. But yeah, Casamero is gone and out of Manchester. It sounded like Carrick is going to play a strong team and it sounded like he was very conscious of the fact that there is something right there on this for Brighton and for Bournemouth who were trying to chase Brighton and could yet get sixth, which could yet deliver Champions League football if Liverpool win and will lose. So, the way Carrick framed it about the opportunity in the game to give young players a chance, made it sound like maybe they'll come off the bench. I think Tyler Fletcher and Lacey are probably the obvious ones. As I've yesterday, it's called Jim Tweed's hadn't trained with the first team this week, albeit they've only been in for two days. But the under 18s are still in and there is still two training sessions left so we could step up and train. I don't think there's a chance he's going to start the game, but it would probably make sense to include them on the line. - So, I mean, I'd pick an almost full strength team, but with Lacey on the right. And I think that is a good idea to get a fair assessment of Lacey. You're not going to get a really good idea of where a young player is at. If you just play in them in a complete midship side, obviously they will get the chance to show what they can do. - He's not played since the Brighton game and he got sent off on the FA Cup when he'd done had two really bright cameos under Fletcher. And obviously, there's not been the number of games. I've started to give him a chance, but this feels like it. - Yeah, obviously he was suspended, wasn't he? After that, and then he picked up a little injury, but he's back, he's in a real good place. And that's been told, like, Karik and the staff do really really, I'm not really, they do really like him. So I would love to see him start. It would be really exciting to see him start on the final day. And that's what it's about. This game's a bit of a dead rubber. I know there's something right now that potentially for Brighton and Bournemouth, but for United, it's a complete dead rubber. And hopefully give Lacey a chance. There was some other news around the press conference, because the England squad was half leaked. Some news was coming out. And it was confirmed that Harim McGuire was not going to the World Cup. Now, this was massive news, really, because McGuire has been fantastic for England over the years. For Garas Southgate, such a stalwart, brilliant at the back, in both boxes as well, great scoring goals from corners at 2018 and Russia was so good. And I would have had him in that squad. I think everybody would have had him on that plane. Dan Bern has gotten to the squad over Harim McGuire. Now, objectively, he'd have to say McGuire would have to be in over Bern, but Thomas Tuchel has made the decision to stay with Bern. I just think with Tuchel's squad, if Southgate had made some of these selections, they'd be outcry. People would be up in arms about some of the decisions he's made. Well, I would say people are up in arms, to be honest. If you look on social media, when it started tripping out last night, and this morning, people are up in arms. I think it would have been the reaction would have been even more if it was Southgate. Maybe, maybe that's my advice. I'd seen, yeah, I mean, I'm with you. I had a lot of time for Garas Southgate, his England manager. Yeah, I've seen a lot of questions and criticism of Tuchel's squad over the last 12, 16 hours or so. I mean, the McGuire one is interested and I think very harsh. We, a few of us spoke to McGuire in a cartoon house when they were in Ireland and April, and the last question or so was about the World Cup, and he did say, like, I'm desperate to go. And he mentioned then, like, whatever role I wanted, I feel like I'm among the best offenders in the world in both boxes. And that whatever role I wanted felt maybe significant, because I think there'd been a view or a story that maybe Tuchel wasn't sure about taking him as fifth choice. And did he? I think there'd been a story that maybe he told, someone suggested he told Tuchel, he'd only go if he was starting, which I think is the McGuire's way of saying that's total nonsense. Whether, I don't know whether Tuchel asked, I mean, he did that thing after the march into that sort of thing when he said he's fifth choice. I mean, that was beyond Trevor Chalibar, who I don't think is in the squad, does he? So it does seem a bit of a mad one. I mean, I was surprised at the way McGuire came out and preempted it last night by saying he wasn't in the squad. It felt quite an un-Migwaya thing to do. I did see a suggestion in one of the papers this morning that in a way, it almost kind of proves Tuchel's point. I completely disagree with that. I think with a statement, he's got nothing to lose now. If the age of 30 is, this was going to be his last major tournament. It's very uncharacteristic from McGuire to put out that statement, as we mentioned yesterday. It shows his frustration now. It does show his frustration, but he could have put it out after. He has preempted it. He's got nothing to lose now. If he was younger, he was 26. I wouldn't have put that to the table. No, I took on the chin. I agree. I think it's a harsh decision. There's no doubt about it. Essentially it ends. I did see someone saying, if Tuchel had any concerns about him, his role as fifth choice, then doing something like that probably reinforces it. I don't necessarily agree with that, but I think that's probably a fair assessment that some people will say, but there's no doubt for me he should have gone. He's a better player than Dan Byrne. He's a better defender than Dan Byrne. He's a better header. He's a better header than Dan Byrne. He's a better penalty taker. He might have done better. But Gwire's penalties are hugely underrated. He's a really good penalty taker. Dan Byrne might be seven foot, but he's actually not good with his head. Especially. I know he's scored in the car. He's got the car on the car. I want to clear with the fantastic. But Gwire's not good at attacking the ball. Dan Byrne. He's gone on that England friendly at March and nearly scored two or three goals when they were, was it Japan I think they were chasing the game. So yeah, I was stunned by it, to be honest. He said he was shocked. That's the word he used to be. He was shocked and got to do it. He's been shocked and got to do it. I'm not. I'm not. I looked at the English called this morning. I was officially announced. I'm officially announced. I don't really have high hopes. I think it screams. I think it screams. I think it screams. I think it screams. I think it makes it difficult for them to be honest. I think it's the conditions in that World Cup are going to be horrendous. Everyone has to pay in the heat time. Yeah, but lots of country. It's not something that a lot of country is the England. I country that plays their football in warm weather. He's going to win the World Cup. That's not going to be England. Just on the way I had to wrap it up, if this is last dance in a major tournament, which it probably feels like it will be. Walk for areas out of a England. I've enjoyed watching them with England so much. It was a time when he was really struggling at England, which kind of is comfort blanket. It would go away with England and still before. Obviously, the jazz kind of followed them through England eventually and he was heckled at Wembley and made a bit of a joke figure. But he's obviously come through all that. I felt when he was struggling, as I say with the United, it was a bit of an excuse. to get away from his country and he always performed consistently no matter what when he was struggling in that he performed for his country. Yeah he did he said he's had a great England career and he did say when we spoke to him in Ireland that he knew this was going to be his last world cup I think he said yeah a great England career I mean you think back to I think it was 2018 wasn't it whether there's that photo of him posing chatting to family and friends that the kind of went viral and I remember asking him in that interview like you were a cult hero then like he was just one of the lads running like it felt like he was the archetypal one of the lads who's gone on to play for England and everyone loved him and he said you signed for Manchester United and that change is because at least half of the country now hate you and obviously he had really difficult times at United absolute credit to him for the way he fought back like I said that's not many times on the podcast but like amazing character and attitude I think to fight back the way he has done and deserved a better ending than this for England. If Tushal wants to call me up after my volley then you know it's where you are I will be available probably seeing it and he's been on social media for just saying it's going to tweet peachy and say could you show him it this morning I need to eat it before I thought I'll just lay off it a bit lay off it a bit any plans this weekend tie before we go to Brighton? No nothing's done nothing. I'm the same I'm the same boring weekend before Brighton does really make for end of the same podcast chat okay we'll be back after the Brighton game to reflect on that performance take care you