Ep 638 - Beef Raised Right (feat. Mason 'Bric' LaDue)

- Wow, wow, wow, Wes. - Yeah, I remember when I opened for Shane at the link, we did like two sound checks. I was like, good to go. I trust these sound guys. I got up there and just every fucking word I said was like, times eight. Just right back, I would say something and it would echo like eight times into my ear. - Got a bounce off so many things in there. - Yeah, well, it just felt maddening. And then I'm like, you know, I'm like, the sound guys were right to my right 'cause it's like, you're in the rounds, you're moving around. So I like, you know, I'm doing like a minute. I'm like, they'll figure it out. My trusted sound guys. I turned to look at them. They were like this. Just arms crossed, looking at me. Like, look, piss that me. I'm like, what the fuck, man? - Fuck it, guys, supposed to be a professional. It was the funniest shit in the world. It's arms folded. Just like leaning this chin down. I'm like, man, you couldn't be less interested in this right now. When I had to hold the mic like down here the whole time, when I tried to shut that dough. - Yeah, I'll get it. - The first thing I'll always do on tour is go meet the sound guy. You don't mean anything, man. How you doing? I'm glad to be here. I heard a lot of good things about you. - I should introduce you, Mason Ladoo. - How you doing, guys? - Yeah, what do you go by, Mason? - Brick, Mason? - Yeah, yeah. - Brick was such a sick fucking name. - Yeah, it was a happenstance how it came about. - Yeah, take me back. Give me the hooks. You have a really sick story. I don't know if I've kind of punged around. - You can biography mock a lot of people. - Probably look good. - It's pretty sick. - But all by mistake, too. All by just bouncing around no real plan. - That's how you do it. - I mean, I grew up in the Dallas area in Texas. Well, I grew up in the rural area of Texas and Dallas area. Went to school, middle school, high school suburbs of Dallas. And just kind of had a real multifaceted upbringing as far as seeing exposed to different rural life, cowboy life, and then suburb life. You know, I'm 43, so I was a, you know, Columbine happened my sophomore year in high school. 9/11 happened my freshman year in college. So like a lot of like cultural, impactful stuff, internet came about. So I just had a pretty cool upbringing and it just bounced me around in the music business. - Yeah, wait, so how did you start? Did you start on the ranch? Did you start on the suburb? - We all grew up out where I work at now. It's in Leon County. That's where my whole family is from. And it just super rural in the 80s and 90s. It was obvious that school and all that, like raising kids was gonna be pretty tough. So like my parents, my dad had a family business in the Dallas area. And so we just kind of relocated the suburbs. And that's where I grew up the most of like my childhood. - Right. - And all that. And basically split in time, you know, like school then every weekend or holiday, you know, head of the ranch. It was my great-grandparents ranch. - It's a big ranch. - Yes, it's quite large. We've done a little bit more expanding from what they happened. They had a little bit more of a homesteading aspect. But you know, that was kind of the lifestyle back then too. Like, you know, the chickens in a garden, cows, and just the whole thing. - I mean, I mean, not to obviously try to be an imposter. I read Lonesome Dove the first time this year. I was convinced I was a cowboy for like- - That's a good, that's a ride of passage. - I feel like it should be government mandated that you, every American family watches, maybe even get your citizenship. - Why? - That's your point. - You have to watch Lonesome Dove on VHS, not DVD. - I mean, that's not a hard sell. - I mean, why not? - No, I mean, that's also what I've heard. Like, especially when I've worked with Mexican guys, they get disappointed when they come here 'cause they think we're all cowboys. - All Lonesome Dove. - They think we're like, real- - All of this. - They think we're like Slim Jim and Brim and they come here and they're like, you guys are like, weak and effeminate. - No, not all of us, man, come on. - Yeah, yeah. - I mean, coming from Mexico, seeing cowboys, then ending up on like a liberal college campus, you must be like- - It's all silent. - I got, I got tricked. - I got tricked. - We're in North Korea. - Right now. (laughing) - So you did, you were in the Dallas area. So how did you get into kind of the, I think you're kind of under selling it. How did you get into the whole music? - So in high school, I was a little bit of a rabble ralzer, didn't really follow a lot of rules and all that and it would send me down. You know, I had an efficiency for weeds. So it would send me to places where the weed was and I ended up fellowshiping with those fellows and getting into business with them and fellowshiping. (laughing) - You know, you are hanging around the boys. - Yeah. - I was with the boys quite early in life. - You know. - You're a fellowshiping. - I think like- - You didn't fellowship about the nugs. - I think like the, yeah, truly, true. - And back then, that fellowship was a secret society. - Yeah, man. - 'Cause weed was super taboo. - Especially in Texas. - Texas, it was bad. - Even I grew up in the Philly suburbs, even then it's like you would go to jail for like a pound of weed. - Oh, you were going to jail. - Yeah, it was bad. So I became the liaison, you know, I was the gold finger. - Nice. - So that kind of integrated me into like, you know, more like, I became, I was also obviously growing up in the 90s without a huge rap fan. - Yeah. - Just like default. - So that kind of put me in the mix, being in the urban, developed areas to get my flower. And I was like, what are y'all listening to? And it was like, chopped and screwed, like, screw music. And I was, you know, a white kid essentially from the suburbs. I had no idea, but I just knew that was the coolest sound I ever heard. And it was all local, like, Dallas, Houston music. And I didn't really know the difference. It was just independent. The only way I knew it was kind of like, let's put together, you know, like, let's, like, you know, it was kind of like, crappier quality, CD's, crappier quality sound. And I was like, this is like, cool, like, local. So then I became kind of prideful of it being like, from Texas. And I just got super into it. And then, you know, made friends with a bunch of people that were doing it. And one of us, two or three of us would always go down there and hang out. They started doing concerts. They started putting out mixed tapes, doing shows. - Who was they at this time? - Oh, I'm sorry. - This would be Dirty South Riders, which is big tuck in TomTom, which are like considered like Dallas legends nowadays. My bet, one of my best friends is TomTom. He had a song go on the radio, like, 2006. And he was just, you know, off to the races. - Yeah. - The Texas music scene was largely independent in the early odds. And so there was a lot of money to be made in the mixed tape scene. There was a lot of places for, at this time, you know, 19, 20-year-old, young, squire, trying to hustle up, whatever, evacuated with money and taboo. It was the perfect blend for me to get into it. And, I mean, you're buying CDs wholesale, two, three dollars, and selling them for 10. - Yeah. - I mean, and we were hopping out at gas stations, but y'all want this mixed tape. And, I mean, - Oh, that's crazy. It was just a crazy hustle. It was so fun. I didn't realize you would enlist the help of other people to sell your mixed tape. - Oh, big time. That was the biggest with all these mom and pop CD stores. - Yeah. - It was just like this big tape trade going on, you know, and I would, you know, I'd get, I got in the mix with Tom 'cause his song was on the radio and we were off to the races pretty early, like, 2003, 2004. - How old were you doing this? - I was like 20. - Damn, so you're just getting blazed and hustling, chop and screwed mixed tape. - Yeah, yeah. - That's a dream. - Yeah, that's a fucking dream. - Coming from a town of 158 people, you know. - And then when it go into a 5A high school, I go into a 5A high school, which out here that's like, my graduating class was 800 people. Damn. So, which I think there's even bigger schools. I don't think there's like six out here, even seven. - Big schools out here. And football schools, all this derived from football. So anyways, so just got in the mix and then became friends with Paul Wall and Houston and Slim Thug. And it's all based on making money together. - Yeah. - Seven CDs, doing shows, putting things together on the music scene and, you know, meet them everywhere and, you know, Paul's just one of those guys. That's just the friendliest. - Heard he's the man. - He is the coolest bro. I like, one thing that's accosted in my life is I was supremely blessed to be around people who were super solid. - Yeah. - I was put my neck out there and I could've got. - How so? - Just like, I mean, just high-risk activity. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You know, and just be, I mean, the rap game kind of turned in for a while. Like, it was, you know, domestic warfare at certain points. Like, we were running security detail. It got pretty wild. You know, it's just high-stakes shit. You know, it's just high-stakes shit going on. - Where were the stakes more like, there was a bunch of money. It was like kind of like a gold rush in terms of the money. And what would that be like? - I think it was the culture at the time was like getting money off of being kind of, well, I mean, like, Tom's song, the first words in Tom's song that made that was his first big hit was, I'm gonna do something bad to you 'cause you a motherfucking hope. - True. - So here I am going around doing these concerts. The whole concert turns into a big fight. Like, you know what I mean? Like, there's videos of me YouTube fighting my ass off at these shows. - Well, people would hear that in the crowd. Like, no, you won't. - Oh, just like, when they come to town, we're gonna see. - Oh, yeah. - And like, Tom's group, like, we were known like, back then, we would go to the club to fight. You know, we would go to the club and be 30, 40 steep and just be like, man, I got some shit to get off my chest. - Where's gonna play it? - You know what I mean? - It's like, little jar. - I knew I was gonna be supremely jacked. - I mean, we're going to the club during, like, little scrappy headbusses is playing. - Yeah. - Like, come on. - And then the whole club starts fighting, and then they start playing, like, lovers and friends about us, you're kind of calm everybody down. (laughing) - It was a war zone. - I bet it's crazy. - But my man, I-- It really like accelerated me like as far as like you know earning my stripes is shoving this because that says but it just like proved like you know I'm just with it like if you're wrong and I'm your boy we're both wrong yeah we're going down together fuck it you know and so well let me let's so did you gravitate towards more of like a business like you're a producer right did you did you kind of take it it was just appealing to me yeah the money handover fist and the pop culture blend it was just appealing and I just had the person and now like I'm a people person I can put people with people I'm a dot connector you know I can fix them you know it's your goal finger right I'm the man so like I was like it just I just was able to be the man where they can't be the man because they're being the artist right right so like it just works so well and then so Tom had another song going the radio like oh nine and that's when we were doing like they used to have these like car show circuits where local radio stations would pay you in radio spins to perform these car shows for free so we'd be like a you know 10,000 spins or whatever for your song that's on the radio come perform for free and it'd be these huge like convention center car shows it was called like Las Magnificos it was like a low rider club yeah but there'd be like 10 15 20,000 people there a huge thing and so you pay to put your music yeah and so it's this big like business thing with the local radios and you got to play fair and you can't smoke weed in the convention center you know it's this all this like bullshit like you know like kind of mandatory shit you got to do in the industry and we would meet guys like you know that we were familiar with they would also also had songs ready like Whiskelife and that's how I met with was through these car shows he had a song Tom had a song we all loved weed weed was taboo yeah didn't know where to find it I'm the man you know and so we just kind of it just all just formed through like a fellowship a true you know like matter fact me and Paul walk our group chat for the longest was called the underground lean network oh yeah so but take me back to the lean well the point of the lean hit was a lean earlier on so lean was part of it like already yeah and it was cheap and it was just kind of like something we did yeah and then it became more expensive and like I don't drink alcohol yeah so I'm smoking weed and this is like delicious drink pops in front of me it makes me fall asleep here we go yeah so it is delicious it was it is very delicious or was I I have done it quite a while did you get into all the weird things the different color leans and how like the yellow lean is like pretty purple drink your purple time that's good for you and then I lean myself off the red drink and then once it started getting tricky I was just kind of like you don't fuck all this right yeah I mean so like I definitely I mean what's the most we ever pulled up oh man I was I was a everyday zipper for two or three years I got up to 300 pounds and it's the soda because it's the soda I was here about the lean though a leader sprite I do a leader sprite put four ounces in a leader sprite like instead of coffee yeah you know like and then smoke a joint and then wonder why I got a bad attitude yeah yeah and be like I don't know why I can't get shit done today look at the baby bottle yeah you haven't shit for like a week so it's just like lean cost about you oh shit I don't remember shit and I guess so yeah fuck I mean but it was like I don't want to like say it was pretty prevalent yeah so like I think you at that in my era when it was cheap and available you had to make a decision to not be a lean zipper yeah yeah if you're especially during the coming everybody walked around with cups and everybody I mean but it was also a crazy charge if you got caught yeah because there's this dilution dilution rule on the book because like some tweaker try to dump a bunch of speed and they're like two gallons of bleach they gave him so the rule is you diluted that whole so if you get caught with like a leader sprite and you might have four ounces they weigh it all up you're the you're the kingpin yeah on paper yeah I knew I knew this like she was like a little hippie chick and she had taken a tray of brownies she made to like one of those like Tennessee hippie festival she was in Tennessee yeah the cops got her and charge her with like five pounds of whizzes and brownies so she got it's actually a super antiquated rule yeah it's a law or or what they call statute that all the legal beagles follow and you know if it wasn't to deal with like a severe opiate it probably shouldn't be reversed yeah I don't want to be a proponent of people getting away scot free with having a shit ton of drugs like it is a someone to victimist crime but if it is 80% soda it's like that's a recreation and plus it's like come on I'm definitely not sharing this shit with nobody yeah there's no distribution going on at all damn so it was just how long was that period of just for probably like I mean I I was into the music scene early in the Texas probably like you know from my O2 to O6 and it was all in the mix and then they started trying to play with it and like you know it got real popular and then the whole Justin Bieber you know he was actually a real big reason why they got rid of that shit at first government of what uh the brand the activist brain he got caught with lean or something like that did he really holy blew the roof off of the whole operation and so it got so bad you say blew the roof off he just got a lot of attention or you say it's made a nation-wide pop culture popular yeah I didn't realize Justin Bieber yeah I wasn't they didn't the lean industry didn't have the bandwidth for that for the Bieber rub it didn't have the bandwidth for the Bieber rub that's crazy yeah I want you to get caught with I think he just got he just kept fucking up a bunch and there I remember Bieber's bad boy yeah and and it was lean he was that was his bad boy arrow was fuel fuel pie actually who gave him the lean I uh he was best friends with the Texas rapper I did not know beeps were sipping yeah so they the you know this is all kind of rumored in you and but it's also out there you know I'm not revealing my bad but no but yeah it's I mean it just makes him even cooler around but yeah I mean but that was that just shows you how first of all how also explains a lot explains all of his like nasty stuff he got in trouble for doing as he had he had lean head lean face like I told it totally understandable you know you get memory got into it with the full up player on the street Chad was a Chad Johnson oh he got into with those you know it wasn't no it was uh no it was the other dude played for USC Kishan Johnson did he really oh he got it because he kept speeding down his rod Kishan like damn kids like like you know he just had lean attitude and lean gives you bad attitude to really he just had lean to it man that's funny I'll never forget I remember because it was like in Philadelphia it came way later and no filly it was the start that's where it started oh yeah it was the paint pants takes a syrup they used to call it dude all the filly rappers when Texas like Beanie Siegel and all them were like y'all just now doing that we sit that shit straight out of the bottle yeah Beanie Siegel probably was the first lean rapper on record that's funny because that is it that's the North Philly it was the Perker sets and lean it was pancakes and syrup yeah I thought it was after though I always they were first it came from there yeah because up there it used to the brand was called bar B-A-R-R-E and I think there's like Philly slang that they call it bar only or something way old school they call it bar that's interesting I know I always yeah I always created it to Texas well Philly was copied we did it better true we did who did the double cup first I think we did the dope because it's so fucking hot down here true the double cup is to save the ice yeah also to sip it straight out the bottle it's kind of that's pretty cracked that's that's insane I remember just once I remember I finally got my hands on a big pint of lean I was so excited to sell it and I gave it to my friend's house he drank all of it or like a enough of it he drank enough of it and just crashed his car into a hill yeah yeah yeah dude I fucked up oh hi that shit so fucking sick Friday Saturday night you just have people fall asleep at red lights after the club just like yeah I was dead asleep at the gas stations and shit they used to cut it with corn syrup so people K-ro K-ro K-ro K-ro in your cup yeah out of life I said if it was crutt if you on did the thing and it was crusty it was all cables or if you flipped the bottle over and had a little like residue of the needle getting pulled bro people were so full of shit crackheads are amazing aren't they at all shapes and forms well though yeah the lean it's just such a funny thing it was it was expensive it was so expensive you put it in a baby bottle and you'd have grown adults making thousands of millions of dollars like like like like a bottle in the club like bro there's no way that drop it's it's the funniest drug of all time it is by far the easily the funniest drug design as far as designer drugs it's gotta be the most assing on yeah not right like I'm not gonna like I can understand coke and Molly like I'm going to sedate myself yeah but also it I feel like it doesn't like in a small dose it doesn't really do much that was kind of thing like you pay a lot for it you almost had to take percussettes with it well in Texas it started because people smoking fry smoking PCP was so big down here they would simply to level themselves off off the fry it all comes back to yeah true harder drugs yeah that's true that's so you did that you so you're you're in the mix it sounds truly insane yeah it was just I mean there's I mean I didn't realize like the adversarial nature of trying to tour with rap of like yeah you're kind of talking shit to them yeah it's it's kind of a big machismo thing and especially like I mean, we, like, I said, I was blessed to be around like real cool guys. And like we were like real, you know, we didn't get into a lot of shit. We had a dust up with the franchise boys, remember in the white tees? - Yeah, yeah. - We had a little, what was the franchise? We beat the fuck out of them in a mall in Dallas. (laughing) - Wait, where'd you beat them in a mall? - In a day-on-down. - The malls, dude, or? - Balls are troublesome. - Tom and them used to wear the tall tee shirts and keep the tall tee sticker on them. And the franchise boys had up in my white tee. So they made a remix and shit on Tom and them keeping the sticker on like it's some country shit. So Tom's like, that, I'll see you when I see you. And we did, we went to the franchise boys. - Yeah, it was the mall. - Yeah, it made the mall keep a statue. We're like groups of three. Can't, no more than groups of three, can we? We've bopped them from the fucking wind seal to do this. They had no chance. - The mall is like an entity has been for two decades now, trying to figure out how to politely deal with, in Austin, in Austin during South by Southwest, and they used to have this track meet called the Texas Relays. Everyone would just go to the mall and they would turn it to just a one way. You couldn't just gallivan in there. You had to do a big lap. And it was just basically like a conveyor belt of who you want to fucking fight. (laughing) It was crazy. - The mall used to be the spot. - It used to be, it used to go down. Man, I went to a mall recently and it's stastardly in there these days. - Oh, man, it's, it's a, it's just in there right now. - It's like retail hospice. (laughing) - Does Kiosk guys aren't even passionate no more? - No, look dude, it's, yeah. They're not even trying to run out and like do one of your nails or whatever. - I would think the Kiosk guys would be bought, I mean, all the fake jewelry, like this is their time. - I know. - And they're just, not in, they just don't give a fuck. - No, they're hearts in it, man. There's no, every mall that I grew up going to, if I go there now, it's like, oh, it's either shut down or you go in there and you're like, dude, what the fuck is this? - It's like discount like 70% off. - Yeah. - Maybe close. (laughing) - No, it's like, it'll be like, you can go, most of the stores that I've seen are like, it'll be like a Chinese lady that sells like books, video games, CDs, and like bamboo, little plants. - Yeah. - Who the fuck is this for? Who's, who's coming here to purchase a little - Like those little waterfall plant things? (laughing) - Like what the fuck is this place? - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, Jin, we got a little dust up in the mall. He fought a bunch of kids in the mall. - That's a Dallas thing, man. - Yeah, just like he's a Dallas. - He's a Dallas, he's a true Dallas trap white. - Yeah. - He's a true trap white. - That's the new category, Trapper White. - I was a trap white. - You were a trap white. - That's so funny. - Yeah, I understand Jin Lee. - Yeah. - Dude, Jin Lee fucking does. - I didn't go to the in-bombs. - Yeah, you didn't go all the way in. - No, that was a little crazy. - Yeah, that's it. - Teach us on. - True. (laughing) - True. - Not for me. - Yeah, I mean, it's a lifestyle for sure. - Yeah, yeah. - That's true. - That's true choice. - I knew a couple white guys like back when I was like up to my no good error. I remember meeting like the like real Trapper white guys and they were just, and we were just rolled off. - He's come. - It's a thing. - Yeah, they were just rolled off their tongue. - Look at Fat Joe. - Yeah. - Well, yeah, he's Puerto Rican, so. - Steve, but that. - It's a question mark, it's question mark, right? - These guys were just like crusty, grimy white guys. - Yeah, yeah. - And they were just like, they were like, "Hey, what's up, man? "Is this what we're doing now?" - Yeah, fuck's going on. - They're more from like, what are you gonna do about it, Perspectives? - I don't think they even fucking think about it. I think they're just like, what? - I definitely know a lot more East Coast Trapper whites that it's just part of their vocab. Down south, it's a little bit more, like there's a little bit more, it's more touchy feel. - Yeah, a little more charged out here. You notice that with the standup, you bring up race stuff, sometimes out. - Oh, damn. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Next, yeah. I don't wanna think about it. - Yeah. - Although I feel like the south is, I mean, it's definitely more integrated than the Midwest. The Midwest. - Oh, my dude, the Midwest is so segregated. - I can see that. - I was in Milwaukee this weekend. Dude, Chicago's like, I've never seen anything like it. - Oh, well, despite pre-Joyed Floyd, I always said Minneapolis was the racist place I ever been. - Yeah. - The venue's up there. He used to fucking hate to see us coming. We too. - Really? - Yeah. - And at this time I'm touring with Wiz. And I was like, bro, we're just smoking mad weed. We're doing it. - Yeah. - And they would just be real, just firm with us. And you would hear stuff like, at the venues, you know, you get in there and load in. And you'll, you know, all the crew members are getting dispersed for their job for the night. And like, I'll stand in there. And I guess they didn't know as part of the road crew. And this lady walks by to the sound engineer and goes, "Haha, you have the rap show tonight." I was like, bro, we fucking sold 10,000 tickets. Like, what the fuck? - How many clubs do that a lot? - Really? - A lot of, yeah. There's a lot of talk though. They'll be like, yeah, it's a bit of an urban crowd last week. And they'll try to beat around the bush. They'll beat around the bush with you. - Yeah. - Yeah. - They'll really beat around the bush with you and be like, "Oh, yeah, we really glad to see you." - It would be, it's a great sociological experiment to travel the United States, visiting like 500 to 2,500 person rooms. That's the true core of America. - Yeah. - That's who, like, like, you see the regions, like, you know, like Pacific Northwest, that's a different type of fellow up there. You know, and then like the South. And then like, these are all like, these people are all so different. And it's like, even how they watch the show. - Yeah. - What they do after the show, during the show, it's all different, like, I'd have to say, the Midwest probably got the most fucked up it shows. - Really. - And the most tore up, yeah. - Yeah, dude, there was a-- - Nothing else to do. - True. I was leaving the show on Milwaukee. And this car, I'm like walking past like a parking lot. This car pulls out and there's one guy open the door and goes, "Holy shit, you're a, uh, yeah, I know that guy." And they're fucking shit-faced driving. And the one guy opens the door and the back goes, "Who are you?" How does he know you? And the driver just goes, "He's a bar stool legend." (laughing) And he's kept screaming, "He's a bar stool legend." (laughing) - He's a bar stool legend. That's who he is. He's like, "You're a bar stool legend." - And there's like, "Rove fucking hammered." - All like, "Misplace Grimp, that audio character is true." "He's a bar stool legend." - I remember what they did with they always did. - Did you ever do knitting factory? And Spokane? - No. - Okay, I think it's the knitting factory in Spokane. Well, Spokane is a spooky town. - Spokane is fucking, I was just there. - Really? - Yeah, so if you know what happened to them, they were like a train, you know, railroad down. That dried up, so some fucking person in the 90s went, what if we just turned us our city into like a massive hub for bus stops from all over the area? - That's why they did. - Yes, but that's why it's so fucked up. - Somebody transient fucking weirdo's there. Hell if it's the Spokane listeners. - Dude, it's, no, I talk about it all the time. Like you guys should fucking murder that lady or whoever came up with that idea. Like it was a good city council person's life. - No, that was a stop. - Here's the stop. - I was gonna get war mode on that shit. - We're gonna import weirdos from every way. And dude, it's like, - It is a very spooky town for real. - It's crazy. - It's fucking nuts there. And they have, I think Gonzaga's right there too. - Really? That's building him, I thought. - Was that right there though? - It's right there, I didn't believe it. I looked it up and it's like, maybe, it's right there. - And Gonzaga's a groovy college, yeah. - Yeah, Gonzaga's a super nice place. And then you just like walk and you see it. It's like a, like 14 benches in a row with like a big building. And it's just a bunch of different like, Peter Pan, Greyhound, just the best of the brightest. - We were, I was sitting outside of the venue in Spokane and two dudes got kicked out. And the big guys are like, yeah, they were doing Coke in the bathroom. And the guys turned around and were like, we weren't doing Coke in the bathroom, we're gay. We were having sex. You're gonna prejudice us for having gay sex. And I was like, that's a crazy like pivot. Like you'd rather be gay than Coke. - I know, fuck. - You really want to see the concert? - Yeah, like he was, it was a, I was, that time I was touring with Yellow Wolf. - Nice. - There was a Yellow Wolf crowd at that. - Yeah. (laughing) - Wild, but Yellow Wolf is a, he's an interesting cat. - Is he really, I don't really know much about him. - I mean, he's just, he was one of the first like, really like white rappers, you know, from Down South. It was really kicking ass and, you know, he started like, he's good. He's got a crazy following. - Yeah. - I mean, we were doing super sold out shows and he's a wild man. He's a true like Johnny Cash wild man type, you know. - That's pretty cool. - Pretty cool dude, you know. Had a lot of fun. I was touring with him. I had a signed a group from Dallas. I was trying to break and it was that, it was terrible on that end, but the tours were fun. - Because Yellow Wolf was the man. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, what is it like? What have you noticed in terms of like, the life of a white rapper versus like a black rapper? And like, what is it? What is it like for a white guy? So just like. - I mean, my only perspective is my perspective. And like, I very rarely, like really, I had more problems with like, office people in New York. The riff, the riff that I saw was being dumbed down South Texan trying to go do business with those guys in New York in the offices. And that was the only real like racial. And that's all like, like Paul, you know, Paul Wall, he moves freely about. You know, I think once you get to that certain stage of artistry, like, like, there's no challenge. - Yeah, no one like it should. - I was around post-mollon in the very, very beginning and people viscerally reacted negatively to his, you know, I had to do a lot of like, defending him, like physically. You know, I really, yeah, because you kind of did what did you connected him with Wiz Khalifa early on? Well, so me and Wiz, Wiz was doing like a lot like DJ gigs. So it kind of had, and this was kind of like in music when like a lot of like, one hit wonders for like a better words for popping up, like that up on a Tuesday song. Travis Scott had Mama Sita that, and like all these guys were a kind of new young thug was on fire. And so we're constantly like digging the crates per se to find these songs for Wiz to play. Like alongside Wiz is like, I need, I'm gonna break new music. He didn't want to just play club hits, but he wanted to use the platform for like new new shit, you know? And so we were constantly just trying to find new shit. And then white irerson came about. And basically just like, I think we found it on SoundCloud. Like SoundCloud's algorithm just threw it in front of. And it was real. I mean, it was a great song. And so like, wow. And it was also pretty different from anything that's out. And I knew that one of the producers on it from Atlanta, his name was F.K.I. first. And he was quite established. He had done stuff with Travis Porter, you know, like all these Atlanta guys. So I was like, okay, so this has some legs and the song was pretty unique. And then I started looking into it. Well, the song had like 300 plays when it came across her SoundCloud. And I played it and I started, I'm just sit on the laptop. I was like, it's kids from Dallas. I was like, oh, white kid, Dallas, gold teeth, braids. Like, yeah, this is the emulator. Like, yes. And so I remember I told Whiz these guys words. I go, hey, I'm gonna play this song for you. You should play tonight. It's this kid from Dallas. And like his back to me is like, I'm not playing it because it's your friend. I was like, no, no, I don't know this guy. And so he played it. And he was like, oh, my God. And so like we recorded the video of Whiz playing it in the club that night and posted it to Twitter. And then like, Mac Miller hit himself like, what is this? Like, oh, that was a good example of like white rappers moving around. Like Miller, like, you know, like he had no qualms. Everyone loved that guy. I didn't know if it was like just a thing at first, like getting established. I guess that's what that maybe in the very, very beginning, but like by the time you're kind of like out on the road with a following. Yeah. Also, too, I think it's pretty brutal for everybody. I'll never forget I used to work with this guy. And we were doing demolition. He like came to my house. He was just grabbing some weed and then mind I was like, I happen to be living next to this older guy that I just worked with. It just literally was a coincidence. And he had these kids and his one kid was like, I'd put out like a record. And I remember my friend comes over and they're all in the car like, yes, this is our kids. You know, he's playing a song like showing it. My friend stuck his head into it literally stuck his head in the car in the window. Listen, man, that shit's fucking trash. And then walked into my house and I was like, that was so rude, dude. Yeah. Basically the internet. Yeah. He was the first Instagram comment. Yeah, that's just fucking trash. And I'm like, dude, they're by neighbors. Why did you just do that to them? That's YouTube. That shit sucked. Mr. YouTube. That was just like, dude, they're celebrating. But that was just really, so I guess it's just, yeah, it's probably tough all around until you're established. And I can post had, you know, he had a lot of visceral reactions. And then like the culture of ultra crap was real big and appropriate. All these like terms that didn't exist in my world. Yeah. I never heard these no one damn sure ever said those to me. So I kind of just took them under my wing like, hey, I believe in you. You're good kid. Yeah. But he says anything crazy to you. Give me a call. You know, I mean, I just kind of big brod him a little bit and it worked well. Like, man, I think like artists like that are magical. And like, I hate saying like I discovered him. Yeah. Yeah. Because like, I think it's just like already in the clouds. What's going to happen? Right. Right. It's a destiny fulfilled at that point. Right. Here's right place. Right time. I do sometimes wonder without the firm fist, the coast that I've laid down. Would it have been so easy for him? What was in what were some of the fisticuffs? How do you lay down? Charlemagne the God got him on breakfast club. And I mean, I remember you dressed him down. Yeah. And I flew up there next week and made sure like that wasn't cool, bro. What do you say? Not too much. Dude, and you bitch, Charlemagne? Yeah. So fucking cool. And then. Fuck. And then DJ academics. DJ academics had some crazy shit. I caught him in an elevator. He's always talking shit. Yeah, I caught him in an elevator at 300 records in New York. And I just. And he's a little dude too. You really? Oh, yeah. I go. And he vamped on academic. I just looked at him. I said, you knew quit talking about posts like that. Cause like, you know what could happen right now. And he just was like. And I just. And then. And then. And then. And I just walked out. Damn. I was like a like a two or one operator. You just like. But that was happy. I just was like, I texted him. I was like, bro, I just happened to be an elevator. I just happened to be an elevator with this clown. You know what I mean? Dude, that's hilarious. Uh, you know, I. And like. Everything's about like, I didn't really realize how much of the entertainment internet stuff was making these guys money. Yeah. Like the academics and all these guys. Like, I'm a huge pro wrestling fan. Yeah. So like now hindsight 2020. I was pretty passionate about post and protecting them. I probably would have done things eloquently but still pretty firm with those guys. Because they had a chance to fuck them over. Yeah. Before anything. I wasn't cool. I don't. I've never been cool with that. Yeah. He's also such a talented dude. Like you can't deny. He's really nice to know. I've met him once. He's a super nice guy. This episode is brought to you by Ethos. Once you have a family, you start thinking a little differently about the future. You want to know the people you love would be okay if something happened to you. Ethos makes it easy to get covered online. You can get a quote in seconds, apply in minutes, and there's no medical exam. Just a few health questions. Take 10 minutes to get covered today with life insurance through ethos. Get your free quote at ethos.com/mssp. That is ETHOS.com/mssp. Application times may vary, rates may vary. Hey, everybody. It's me, Lamar. Please, please come hang out at these shows. The optimal practice every first and third Tuesday at the Creek in the cave. Also, I'll be in Indianapolis on the 8th for Let's Fest. I'll be in Marion, Illinois on October 10th for Little Egypt Festival. That should be a hoot. At the end of the month, I'm going to be all the way out in New Orleans on October 21st. And then in Florida, in Jacksonville, at the River City Company on Thursday, 29th, and in Orlando, it Alex is underground on the 31st. Please hang out. Really that fun. Also, guys, I'll be in Charlotte, North Carolina, October 9th. Then Jacksonville, Florida. I got Atlanta, Chattanooga, Fort Lauderdale, Tampa, Orlando, the big one, Newark, New Jersey. That's, I don't know why they they're just, this is a humiliation ritual. It's like a 3000 cedar Baltimore, Maryland, Columbus, Ohio, Cincinnati, San Diego, and Sacramento. Please go to matmakusker.com. Thank you. There's like a real funny like Reddit internet conspiracy that like compared us like our trajectories and what's the internet? What's the anime term? What's it called? Destiny swapped. Destiny swap. Yeah, they're saying they're saying that I got Destiny swapped with them. It's pretty funny. That's really funny. I mean, it is what it is. Hold on, but here's the thing though, dude. I mean, being on the fucking ranch after all that kind of rules. Dude, let's be honest. It was my original life plan. I was a ranch management major in college. It's what my family does. I always knew I was going to wind up back there. What I didn't think I was going to happen was have like a 15 year detour in music. Yeah. And I had a lot of fun. I met a ton of great people and up and down, up and down trials and tribulations. Right. I don't know if I was, I can't say I wouldn't change the thing. Because there's a lot of times these days where I didn't have tears in my eyes how happy I am living now. And I was like, damn, I sure wish I wouldn't have just committed to this 20 years ago. And I could be so further along. Right. That makes sense. I was telling that to, I was confiding into one of my cowboy buddies. And he goes, shoot, man, you might have got burnt out on the cowboy shit and started trying to wrap it 40. I mean, that perspective is above the fun. Well, the thing with entertainment is it's like when you're, even if you're not in it, there's this idea that like, it's almost like a spaceship where you're like, you're transported to this like. It's fantastical. Level of, yeah, like you're just like forever transported to this level of bliss. And but in reality, I feel like you can get very stressful, very high stakes. High stakes, man. Very high stakes. And it's like, you know, it goes away. All of it, all of it always goes away at some point. And that leaves people sad and dejected. And it's like, whereas crashing into a ranch and being outside in nature all day. Like you split the doctor order, man. Dude, that's what I'm saying. It's like, I understand the, you know, the reasoning of like, oh, it'd be so sick to just keep leveling up and entertainment. It's like, I don't know, man versus riding around the way I looked at it, dude, was. That's not what God put a ceiling on that for me because that's not what I'm was here to do. That doesn't mean it was bad experience. It doesn't mean it was a mistake. It just mean it. I feel like if I had my hands and discovered one of the most internationally known musicians. And I got dirt. Shit for it. That's a sign. Not that someone screwed me over. But yeah, it's also aside from God like the same for me go find with for you. Yeah. And and like this is something that you know we'd be on tour and we'd pass by a passion but it'd be like brick what what kind of house are those out there. You know it's just something everyone always knew. And like in 2019 was my last tour with Wiz and like that last tour everyone knew I'm like I'm not doing this shit anymore. I'm going to the ranch. Yeah. And so it was like kind of like a good it was a great tour because it was 20 it was the 2009 tour which was current soon Wiz. So we reunited. It was a 10 year anniversary. That's like my whole musical family. It felt like a high school reunion for like 56 straight nights. And it was like the perfect. It was the quarterback went in the Super Bowl and I'm retiring. That's what I mean. Yeah. So then I did another tour of Yoldo Wolf. Like like a true athlete goes starting with a bull shit team for like the last really. No bull shit but so what was it like transitioning to like full-time ranch life from that? What was it like a lot of rekindling with like people that I've had in my life that wasn't really on the forefront with and a lot of re-acquemating. I've always been around horses. I've got like family friends that are Olympic show jumpers professional polo players and you know big in the horses. So I've always been on the back of a horse since I could remember. Yeah. And it just it's a lot of re-acquemation and a lot of like you know when you learn something to learn it and then you're learning something because you're passionate about it. Yeah. And like I switched the gears from like playing catch up to learn stuff to learn it and then you start soaking things up to be that you're passionate about and it just you just the revolutions become more you just have these like epiphymes daily and that's like like wow now I know what it is to live in your calling. Yeah. You have these like explosions of like gratitude of effectiveness of ability and all these and it just comes together and it's natural and it just is like man this must be like what fucking Kobe felt like shooting a jump shot. Yeah. You know it's just like of course I'm on earth to do this dumbass. Yeah. And so it just is a lot of that and then you learn you hit a certain stage for me it was like oh I look like a fucking idiot. Oh everyone knows all this I don't have my legs or whatever and then you get to the point where like everyone out here this is everyone's first fucking September 27th you know. So like everyone's out here is fucking willy and free and trying to figure it out and and they might have a rhythm better than you at this certain point but like it really like killed my ego and that's when like you really start growing and I think even if it killed my ego it would have told me yes keep on this path or no your ego is now killed but this is not for you. Yeah. Yeah. If somewhere else you know what I mean. Yeah. So like it just to like walk in that every day is like a you're like I'm I'm all in you know what I mean and it's a it's a lifestyle commitment and I can see like some people get a fatuated with the look but like it's you know like I was I was talking a little mayor I was like what do I wear this thing? You know like this is what I wear every day you know so why would I wear anything different? Yeah yeah and just like if I was on the road doing music you know I'd walk in wearing what I'd wear on my off day on the road you know so yeah I mean there's there's not a group. If you ask any profession of any especially with dudes and probably chicks too but being like oh he's a cowboy now everyone's gonna go yes fuck that's a little stone yeah or just or there's big that sick like no one in the world is gonna be like he's doing what yeah they're going damn that's I'm yeah I'm fucking gay for not being a cowboy yeah I mean I feel like me when I'm like fuck I haven't got like you know as far a lot of people wonder I think I kept it hidden my frustrations like you know the like the post debacle thing was a big pillar you know for sure and I think I hid the the ill I took on that pretty well I mean I basically kind of compromised myself in industry for him and like I went around and made sure I was compromised for like you know I just was just you know I was really passionate about making sure they he didn't get bullied and fucked over and probably went a little too hard yeah and so like I kind of looked back like man like that was all kind of like to no avail whatever but I still met like a lot of good people so I mean it is like to me I just feel like like when you walk your line like you're gonna encounter people and that same thing's gonna happen to you every day until you like complete it right yeah and it's gonna come in different shapes and forms whether you're a cowboy or on the road yeah whether you're an artist or a comedian so I think it's cool too also to have such a wide kind of breath of life experience where it's like and then I'm sure the guys you work with like dude that's fucking oh yeah I don't run into too many like you know like I was like people were like you know wow what the hell just like how you started like what you know I mean and and like now I'm getting like real passionate into like you know making good beef and like eating families dude I'm not lying that steak and I'm not just gassing you up because you know you get a steak I get it from the farmers market here it's all pretty fresh it's all good I fired one of those salt pepper and butter and was like what the it was fantastic it's all like what type of cow do you guys it's a it's a a kushie so I run a kushie which is a Japanese breed it's not wag so what I've been told and what the general nomenclature is is that all a kushie is wagyu but not all wagyu is a kushie okay so a kushie was like quote the emperor's breed it was never supposed to leave Japan it's raised on a mountain region and also mountain regions um and how did you get them from uh there was an importing loophole in the 90s that brought seven over and from seven they've expanded of the breed and how many head how many head of cattle you get well you know it's not appropriate don't talk you don't talk about the head of cattle my bad you don't want cattle here I got one too many how about that fuck it's so fucking cool god I got one too many you want one god dude I try to be a cowboy 30 seconds we're a pretty formal of operation that's good you know in you don't talk about me stay busy I mean we're we're good you know I mean like so that's is that really like kind of like a it is my bad my great uncle gober you know I was all everyone has been victim of it you don't know until you get told right so you never ask is it like yeah but then your life at the same time like I'll the same time like I'll go work for a ranch and like the first thing on my mouth is like how many of these motherfuckers we got to do today so it gets broken pretty quick you know no and is that just out of like out of you just never want anyone to know how many you have or just it's just like by how much money you got yeah I got you know what it's a quick one too is people seen in your patreon subscribers yeah I try to hide that assuming like five dollars a month time yeah it's no say no more yeah patreon takes 95% yeah yeah it keeps going on picture to take it all damn that's so I'm so happy now that I know that I can't wait to the best the best way to act on a ranch is to be eager to learn with also shutting the fuck up yeah do you have you how often you know like kick guys off the ranch I'm sure this I've worked I mean I we had a I heard manager that would be like had a good night last night I'm like yeah man you know do that you look a little hungover you can go home yeah you know oh yeah or had old old guy would be like you know he's free to raise your today you know and be like go shave damn and or some people have like a strict no cussing policy yeah you don't you don't cuss on their property wow and now that's pretty pretty hard-ass you know um but for the most part like to me what like you think it's like a team effort where I'm like I'm over here hey yeah make left right you know dude you shut up you know and whatever happens happens you're supposed to just have this like skill skillful you're talking about driving them yeah just anything working with cattle is pretty like nonverbal with people really people who work with so like what's the formation is it like someone up top someone's like a sweep so like so like let's just like for for easy methods it's a big square pasture and you'll have we'll we'll try it out in a single file line and the guy whose pasture it is or who whose property is drops people off usually the sheet of your people dropped along a fence line so they can use the fence line as a way and some of your better people are gonna be in the middle it's not always like that but it's just kind of for a cleaner sweep and then y'all basically just you just kind of move like a greater like a human greater through the really all at once and you're you're like whistling back and forth to see where your next man is how lucky whistle man I I do an Indian yelp because I can't whistle I don't realize I have like a genetic deformity because I try to whistle up my dogs I just can't I just hit it like yeah yeah this is a little Indian call that's awesome yeah and you know and another part cabway and is like of course we're all trying to be perfect but like it's also given like there's gonna be some major fuck-ups you know yeah your co-worker is a bovine with no frontal lobe yeah you know what I mean true true so there's gonna be some fuck-ups you know Sean knows what I'm talking about now you got any shouts on the on the property anyway what are shouts my brother's lobbying you know my brother is he's a super green thumb agronomist and a great painter and and he's just like he's really of the regenerative stuff in like the real like kind of like things. So he's lobbying for pigs and like, I'm just like, "Hey, there's like so many feral pigs." They're doing it for us already. They're already out there doing it. We don't need to be able to do it. - You got feral pigs out there? - Oh, what was that? They just sneak off the farm and just go bad. - I think it's years, like I think it started. Like there's a few different types of breeds that got loose. I think apparently it just the pig itself is just a real like adaptive animal. - Yeah. - So you had like Russian boars that were brought over for hunting purposes, like sport hunting, they get loose. And you got like barnyard pigs, they get loose. And like they're really smart, you know, they know how to get loose and stuff pretty easy. So they get that kind of pack mentality and get feral. They're just like picking them up like magnets. And like you'll see like, you know, it used to happen like when I was younger a lot, but like it don't really seem too much anymore 'cause there's just so many feral real deal feral pigs. - Jeez. - But like when I was younger, you'd see a group of feral pigs and then here comes like a barnyard sal with the group. - Oh, it's joining. - And it's just like like a killer wills fin when they're domesticated or floppy, ears pig, pigs ears are floppy and when they get wild they get firm. - Whoa. - So they get domesticated, they get furred up. I think it takes them like two weeks for them to get like the fur and not be all that. - What? - Yeah, they're real adaptive. Now they're saying like warthogs are coming up out of South Texas. - And they got the fucking. - And they're the Timon and Poonbass. - It'll gore you. - Yeah, it's from Africa. I think they're pretty dumb and pretty scary. - Really? - But they're destructive as shit. They build like eight foot holes in the ground. Well, that's how they got out. They dig under the fences. - That's awesome. - So that'd be pretty fun. - Yeah, the place I was at with my kids, they had a tortoise set, a tortoise set was let loose. So they're missing their tortoise. Those things barrel 180 years old too. - Yeah, I was gonna live forever to now live all of us. - Yeah. - That's, there's a tortoise on the looser. So if you see a tortoise. - I'll take it back to the balcony right now. - I'll capture it for you. - So what were you saying? I mentioned about bringing my kids there. And you were saying something about children and horses. - I mean, it changed my life as a kid. I think it brought my horizons for sure. But I really feel like, alongside the government mandate, VHS, Lonesome Dove, I really think every child in America should ride a horse, like physical education almost. - Yeah. - There's just, I mean, horses are therapeutic, it's proved. - Yeah. - Horses can feel your heartbeat from like four or five feet away. It can literally feel your vibe. - Whoa. - So like, if I'm working with a new horse and I'm like, fuck this horse, I fucking, I don't wanna do this, it's feeling that. It's felt, and they're like supreme fly animals. So you know, but if I go in there and just, I'm not just gonna be all lovey-dovey, but if I'm just even killed and really not, like showing teeth and being all flustered and heartbeat and fast and all that, you get a better response out of that horse. - Dude, how do they study that? - How do they know they've-- - I think it's done a lot of good work through PTSD and through autism. - Oh. - I think they've found out through therapy through autism and PTSD, this has got some kind of calming element. - And that they're reacting, they could probably either study your heart and see how fast it's going. - But I mean, it's always been like the lore of how to train a horse is that you psychologically, so like the olden days they would break them physically by dominating physically, by laying them down. - Oh, really? - There's a psychological thing that you do where you get a horse and you lay it down and it has this thing in its chemical releases where it thinks it's dying and then you wake up, wake it up or lift it up and it thinks that you saved its life. - Whoa. - So it is now bonded to you. So it's convinced this guy is not gonna hurt me. He's already saved my life. I'll do whatever he says. - That's the theory. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. And then also just riding the fuck out of him, riding the buck out. These days it's all psychological. Like my main horse was consider a hard start, which meaning he didn't really take to a lot of the psychological things too easily, but they said that the hardest start horses turned out to be the best ones. And this horse, like I will cry when he dies. I'll fucking get a tattoo of his face all, you know what I mean? - Yeah. - He's the man. - He was a horse's name. - Bolero. - Fuck. - It's fucking awesome. - I didn't name him my trainer, Louie. - He changed tomorrow. - But you can't change, it's bad luck changing tomorrow. - Oh yeah, I would never. And horses lived to what, like 40? - They're different breeds lived. Like so, like the bigger like show jumping horses, they actually are like pretty young and dumb until they're like 10 or 11 years old. They're pretty like dangerous, per se, 'cause they're so big and powerful. And they don't really start really getting their, what they call collection where they're really composed and doing what they're doing collected, you know, all together. So they're like 11 or 12 years old. Quarter horses, what I, you know, ranch horses, a 12 year old quarter horse is kind of a old ranch horse. - Got you. - Some would say they're in their prime, others would say this little old. It's all preferential, like I don't like mayors. I don't like female horses. I don't speak mayor. Single 43, no kids, of course. - The fuck, I'm gonna shut it. - It's your stallions only. - No, gildings. - Gildings. - What's the difference? - Gildings are gilded. They're capertornas, castorornas. What are those guys called? Yeah, they're castrated. - Oh, nice. - So they're terminal basically, so. - Got you. - And no. - When does that happen? - You can do it whatever. Like I know some people that will gild their studs, seven, eight years down the road, maybe try to get a couple babies out of them. 'Cause studs are very, for the most part, very difficult to manage. - I was about to say, yeah, they must be tough. - They're very, very difficult. - So they neutered or they just have no peace at all? You put them down. No, they have a peace. - Look at no balls. - Yeah, just look at dogs. - Yeah, yeah. - I don't know why I thought you cut their whole dick off. - Don't worry, they still have huge dons. (laughing) - Thank God. I don't want my money back. - That's the only one I'm here. - Where's this fucking. - So there's one I'm here. - Paid to look at a giant dick. - Yeah, yeah. - Horses' dicks are just so disheartening, man. - It's fucking crazy. - You think you're the man? - Yeah. - And a good night. - Go watch a horse piss. - You shit. (laughing) - Hey shit. You shit. I don't know. - Yeah. - Even my dog when it takes a shit, it's dicks pops out. My wife's always like, - That's a strain. You need to go, is this the blind dog? - Blind dog. He's probably just pushing too hard, but my thing is my wife's like, "Oh, jacks." - He can't see. - I can't see a turk. - He doesn't let him fill the window in his dick. He's saying he's shit. Doesn't have any balls. Let him fill the window in his fucking dick. - Yeah. - Leave the guy alone. - Let him fucking live. - I'm always like, yeah, let him stick his dick out, man. - You're like, turn around, you got to look at it. - Yeah. - I have two, my main two dogs. I have an Australian shepherd. He's the man's name is Lou Ellen. Another ironic postman, in fact, about me and him. He also has a dog that he named Lou Ellen. - What? - After mine, I think. (laughing) But it's from no country, my favorite movie. - Yeah, that makes sense. - There's no country for old men, which is also another iron. He probably his favorite movie. - Yeah. - We're kindred spirits. - You guys are kindred spirits. - We're just a little adversarial right now. - I didn't know you're adversarial. - We're never brought it up. - Yeah. - Well, I mean, it's all good. 'Cause, you know, I'm like, hey, Austin, you know. But it's just, it is what it is, you know. So, but. - Although it's a cowboy without an adversary. - It came for, yeah, true, true. Like, you know, Indians and outlaws, man. (laughing) I don't know who's the true, who's the outlaw? Who's the sheriff in this? But, no, so I have Lou Ellen. And then my other dog is, we suspect is like, I got a little coyote in her. We don't really know. - Really? - We thought we knew, but she's acting like we don't know. But she's, her name is Sheriff Ed Tom Bell, which was the sheriff in "No Country Rolls-Sick." So we just call her Bell. - Do you deal with coyotes out there? I'm sure. - So, unfortunately, I read the Wyatt Flores book, "Coyote America," and closed the book and said, "Hmm, coyotes ain't that bad." And so, like, I don't really have this thing with coyotes. I've seen 'em, and I just kind of be like, "Hey, get on out of here." - Yeah, get out of here. - I'm just not too big on the run around with guns. - Yeah. - I'm not that, I'm not a gun guy. I'm not, I'm not a blow some way to brains out. You know, I just, I can just, hell, if I see pigs, I'd rather rope 'em off my horse than to shoot 'em. It's more fun. - Yeah, I agree. I'm not a, I mean, as sick as guns are, they sound and look. I am kind of like, I see them on a microphone. - Yeah, I'm not, I'm just not, I mean, like, I understand the hobby, and I get the effectiveness, and I think I one should have a gun. - Yeah. - 'Cause it sure does. I'd rather get caught with one than, you know what I mean? - You don't feel a need to blow a coyote first. - But I'm just not one of these guys. It's just strapped to the teeth out there. Yeah, and I don't really hunt anything like that. - Yeah. Now, one of my brothers is dealing with coyotes right now. So he's gonna-- - It's a pain in the ass. - He's getting a big ass. He has a little dog, so he's gonna get a big dog. - Oh yeah, see, and that's like, like, if I had dogs I had to defend, I'd have a different mindset about coyotes. 'Cause they, they're, they're-- - Oh, fuck 'em, yeah. - Especially if they think they got the drop on whatever situation, they will not. You gotta kill 'em. - Yeah. - They'll keep coming. - No, he's just getting a big dog. He's gonna get one big one. - Do you want me to chase him? - Pair knees. Big white ones? - Yep. - There's a lot of those out there. And I mean, I've seen 'em in work. I mean, that is incredible. - Pair knees are sick. - Yeah. - Yeah, I just, I ran into a couple of ranch pair knees. It's not too long ago. - I have a buddy that's in the hill country. It's big goat ranch, like 10,000 acres, huge. I mean, him and the Indians have been the only people in the property. We find arrowheads out there all the time. It's incredible. And they have like a fleet of army dogs that are just constantly fucking coyotes up. - Really? - Yeah. - 'Cause they'll fuck the goats up. - Oh yeah. - Dude, that's the one thing I also get jealous of is the guys who have those like, I'll bring goats to clear out your land. - That, that seems pretty fun. - Oh my god, just acres of shit. If you drop like six goats, way too weak and they just. they'll just eat everything. - Goats are pretty groovy. - Goats rock. - I have a buddy who he runs, he does contracts for solar farms where he runs sheep on the solar farms for grazing the grass. And that's a pain to ask because sheep try to find ways to die. They fucking, they're dumb as the animal. - They got a pretty dumb, oh my god. - You can't do goats 'cause they climb on the solar panels. - Oh, yeah, they fuck around. Goats do fuck around a little too much. - Yep. So I've had some experience like I'll take my dogs out to his solar fields to work the dogs 'cause it's like 4,000 acres. So it's huge, vast land. You gotta move those sheep over. So it's a lot of fun. And it's great work for the dogs. - Yeah, perfect work. - Time's about. - Yeah. Just get some all tuned up. - You look kinda nipped their heels and keep 'em. - So why do they have to clear out four solar panels, the grass? - The grass. - Yeah, they'll keep you down. - Which was like why didn't y'all just lay fucking rock down? - I know, I know, I know. - Dumb. - Yeah. - So dumb. - Every solar fit I've looked at, I've been like, these would work real well on the top of buildings. - Yeah. - I don't understand why we're using acres of grass. - Yeah, that is really weird actually. - Yeah, there's a little bit of that. I guess if they're really laying acres of solar panel. - Oh, thousands. - For you. - Thousands. - Yeah. Oh yeah, there's one right here off 290 that's 1500 acres. - Damn. - And then there's like a lot of much to do about data centers in my area, same type of concept. My whole thing with, that is like, look at your cell phone. When cell phones first got invented, those things were gigantic. - Yeah. - And then within a decade they shrunk down. - It's gonna shrink, yeah. - So did we just build like a bunch of really high-tech chicken houses, you know? - 'Cause it's a good point. - Storage is good. - Well, they'll probably just keep packing them with more, more, more, that shit. But still, yeah, I've heard, have you noticed anything with them or like? - There's a, there's so, the biggest thing I've noticed is the politics behind it. - Yeah. - And like, I'm pretty apolitical. I don't really, I don't really participate in this voting thing, too. - Yeah. - But I mean, like locally I do. And I think the biggest problem I have with it is like, these like Yehu County commissioners, they're basically in these rural counties, they were voted into it. Most of the time, what is it called when you don't run against anybody? At large? - Yeah, man. - At large? - I don't know. - Yeah, like most times they're running, not running against anybody. And the majority of their job is road and bridge. So they're just there to maintain the roads. And now the sudden, this is who's making votes for tax abatement for billion dollar data centers. - Yeah, well, the money's got to be seen. - I mean, my county just ran a commissioner out because they uncovered a bunch of emails of him trying to get them the data center to sponsor the towns like Fall frolic. And everyone's like, "Get the fuck out of here." And so like, and then, you know, there's a, of course, with NDAs, you just don't know who's on the right, who's on the wrong, and like, of course, private, private, private, property. But like, it's kind of like, your private property rights in where mine began. - Yeah. - So like, if you're my neighbor, and I put a fucking gigantic 24 hour skate part on your fence line, you might like skateboarding, but you're gonna fucking hate that shit at three for the morning. - For sure, yeah. - So it's the same type of shit. It's just that like, I see like, I see it being a political clusterfuck, and like, that's what kind of turns me off, and make me be like, how about all y'all fuck off? - Yeah, yeah. - And solar fields is like the less invasive version of that, 'cause in the day, I think you could probably rip those things up, and it goes back to dirt. But man, these data centers are like, not the size of it, small airports. - Yeah, they're massive. - Huge, there's no coming back from that. - Yeah, but they're poor, all that concrete, and all that stuff. - This is fucking 28 inch pad. - Yeah. - So I just kind of look at it like, ah. - What do you think about all the lab-grown meat stuff they're trying to do? - I mean, for me, raising a high quality product that I see in touch and feel every day, all the competition is the better thing. Put that bullshit up against me. - Yeah, true. - Yeah, I'm gonna, you know, it's not gonna be high quality. And like, a lot of like, with Trump, fuck around the new, what he was doing with this imported beef because that two weeks of all those reaction periods from him saying that, I sold out for two years on reservations. - Did you really? - Yeah. - And then- - Yeah, what did he do exactly? He just made an announcement. - He just made an announcement. To me, it looked like he was told to say these words because he has, as we know, he has a big time mincing words. And so he minced technical words. And that's why I was like, oh, so, you know, Brooke Rollins or somebody is probably not happy with how he delivered this because it's a bunch of like word salad as far as the agricultural industries concerned. - Yeah. - He didn't really say much. And so he had to read between the lines. Like he said, ground beef product. Well, you know, ground beef product is, it's not ground beef. What makes beef cows? - Yeah. - So the majority of a commercial beef operation, your ground beef is coming off a old cow. It's just the, you're not getting ground beef off of the prime grade badass steers, you know, and all this stuff. The ground beef is coming off of old bulls and old cows that can't reproduce anymore. And that's a pretty general thing in commercial beef. And I'm not trying to disparage commercial beef. They feed millions of people. But it's just the fact, heck, in my ranch, if my bull breaks its leg, I have, I can either bury it and say, thank you, or I can take it down the processor and grind it up, you know, have it processed and grind it up and have ground beef. - Stabbing to a slim gym. - Right. So the thing is, is like, they're only ground beef. Cows, older, older cows and bulls because of, with bulls, the testosterone. It really kind of makes the meat gameier. And just an older cow has the different muscle structures. And, you know, we're processing these steers, 18 to 30 months old. So that's less than three years old. And most of your ground beef product is going to be from animals that are six to 10 years old. So it's not necessarily a bad thing. It's a way, it's the end of life for that. - Yeah, yeah. - And it's a way, it's a byproduct from that animal spent and it's still viable. - Got you. - But it's not. So when Trump says, like, ground beef product from Argentina, he's importing. He just, basically, it sounds like United States bought a fuck ton of old ass Argentinian cows. - Oh. - They're going to fill these feed lots up. 'Cause we're at a national shortage on cattle in the United States. - So funny because you drive from Austin to any other big city. It's nothing but. - Texas is the least affected by that. - Yeah, yeah. - We still have one of the most cattle. So the number is really hard to see in Texas nationwide. So where you'll see it in the Midwest and the feed lot. I've worked in feed lots in the Midwest and Colorado and stuff and like, you'll see it there. Instead of these things being packed to the gills with 14, you know, there'll be a 14,000 animal facility. But there'll only be 8,000 in there. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Which, you know, husbandry wise, I don't mind. Because these animals are more space and then you'll see the pivot and these feed lots will advertise. We have more square footage per space for your steered. But it's kind of like. - It is. - Come on down on the show. We've got plenty of parking. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, you do, you see that when they get real technical with the chickens and all that stuff. Like, oh, it's free range and you see the asterisk. It's like, each one has about five feet. The funny thing about those broiler hens is that those things are bred to sit inside. They can't stand outside for too long. They're stark white. They're basically albino. - Really? - Yeah, they can't really deal with outside too long. - That they're bred to be bigger. They're bred to be food. They're bred to sit in the coop and eat. So they're kind of doing what they're bred to do. - That's crazy. - Yeah, the outside shit, yeah. And a wild chicken like eat, like a meat chicken that's on the farm, it's gonna be smaller obviously. And there's not gonna be, like you would be able to knock out a whole chicken. - Yeah. - I was opposed to me, I can't. - Well, like, as opposed to like getting a rotisserie chicken for your family, like from Costco, probably gonna put a pretty din in the day. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's where they're bred to be just indoor. It's like an indoor cat. - Yeah, but a chicken. - So it's kind of like, eh, but also I don't really know what they're feeding those things. - Yeah, that's kind of the question, I guess. And like, if you go buy some of these commercial chicken houses, the feed houses that they, you know, these trucks pull up to get the feed from them. And it's like, it's like four knocks, I don't know. - Yeah. - Yeah, they don't let, you can't just wander off in there. 'Cause I don't, I mean, I'm sure they're feeding them probably food products, I hope. (laughing) But it's just, it just probably is. - You don't know, yeah. - The process is probably so crazy. They just don't want people to, I don't know. - True, yeah, no, yeah, that's, I mean, it is. It's once you see it, you're like, I gotta fuck it, kid. - And I think, that's why I think cattle is probably the most honest protein because it's like, you wanna see what I'm feeding it, go walk outside. All that shit you can eat, they're turning that, they're upcycling that into protein. - Yeah. - Cattle 70 something percent of what Cattle eat, humans can't digest, that it's inedible. - They'll eat it, I thought it was a grass. - They're pretty biodeiverse. They'll eat vegetables, any types of vegetables, most vegetations, and they actually got a pretty good nose to see what's toxic for them. And they'll avoid like the thorny stuff and stuff like that, but flowers, you know, crop, cover crops, grass. - Got you. - If you even look on cattle pastures in the tree lines, there's a browse line on these trees, they're eating the trees. If I cut a oak tree branch down, the cows will run to it and start eating that shit. is about fake. Yeah. Not like the brand, but like, I don't you mean the leaves and stuff. Yeah, they'll pick it clean. And then you just got to keep moving them while the grass goes back. Practice rotational grazing and like a good cowman's really like a grassman. Like you're really concerned with the soil. That's why I love having my little brother around because he's super passionate about the dirt. And like he he can critique my operation without even seeing my cows. Because he'll be like, man, I know they're not doing good. Look at this poor soil like that. Grass doesn't have what they want. And you need to put mineral in here for them. They're not going to have this this grassy strip. So like, it's all about that, you know, because you'll be like, well, I mean, they're in knee high grass. But well, all that grass is seeded out. There's nothing in it. All the all the good stuff's in the seed head. Oh, sure. So he just, it's made me really, it's a little bit more complicated than because you have to like mitigate their risk. There were cows are really good eaters and they're pretty fucking dumb and everything goes. So like you have to like mitigate the risk at all times. So you're seeding just for a deck of variety of things they can eat. Right. And then, you know, just to kind of like, to make sure that grows back, you know, you don't want to. So like cows eat in like a sweeping motion. And so they're schmoozed. They're, they're, they're snot and they're when they eat their saliva actually helps. It stimulates that plant sugar to like say, we need to grow again. So if they eat below that, then the grass goes into a panic and it just shells up, you know, just as like in a shock. But if they, if you keep, keep it eating where they naturally want to eat the tops of the grass and you keep them moving off, that it sends the signals to that grass down in the roots like, hey, we got problem up top. We need it. We need to, we need to spray some, send the sugars up. And so it'll, it'll grow right back. But if you continue pummeling that and cattle are real selective. So they'll come back to the same spot. I remember that one spot over there. That was good. Let's go back over there. And they'll eat that shit down the ground. It might be where you threw them some like protein cubes or it might have been just like a nice, you know, little patch. They'll eat that shit down. But if you were able to move them off in 24 hours, then that has already started recovering. And no grays, yeah. That's, I didn't even thought about that. But you just give them grass and fucking weight. Well, technically, yes. But yeah, you got to really be conscious. Yeah. And you just like, uh, man, there's something to do about watching a county to like just, it's just like a real like, uh, like when they're, when you see something doing their job, you know, and happy, healthy and productive. And like it all starts with good grass having that. And so I've mistakenly become like real knowledgeable on grasses and can be like, oh, yeah. And just like pH is and, you know, and like just getting real into that because it's a big part of it. You know, yeah, if you scorched the fucking whole ranch, that would, that's like a massive fuck up. Yeah. Or I mean, and, and, and, and, yes, I remember when I would cut the grass all the time growing up, I'd be like, I'm going to drop the deck and fucking cut this shit low. Why underneath it? Yeah, it burns the fucking other, but grass is brown. They're like, what the fuck do you do? And I'm like, I dropped the deck all the way down. So I didn't have to do it. Yeah. But if you did that to like acres and make it scalped it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just real interesting of what's like symbiotic to what, you know, and like, you know, we don't use any herbicides or pesticides and no synthetic fertilizers. And the biggest observation I've seen is a bird life, burg and bug. Like you see just this like, orgy of birds above the grass just snacking on bugs all day. And my brother was like, that's a healthy pasture right there. Like all these bugs flying around everywhere. Like he doesn't understand somebody walking out in the pasture and seeing a caterpillar and like, oh, when you spray the pasture. Yeah. He doesn't understand that shit. And I don't either, because I mean, it's all what like cows aren't a monocrop animal. They're not eating just one type of grass. They're they're eating everything. If they like it, they love it. Yeah. So I want to just promote that with them. And my brother's been showing me like, you know, you know, where your stuff's good by the bugs and the birds. So like these birds just will, you know, return to these good areas once you practice good husbandry on the land. Oh, okay. I didn't really. So they'll spray for caterpillars and shit. Oh, yeah. They call it army worms. It's like a like a one of the larvae version. They're worried they're going to eat the grass. Well, they do. They eat certain grasses. They'll eat them down. But, you know, if you have an abundance and if you're kicking ass and you've got birds that'll swoop down and eat that shit, and, you know, you can have things work for you like, like, people around my area hate having barn swallow nests for whatever reason. But I'm like, dude, I looked it up. A barn swallow eats like 3,000 flies a day. Damn. So I'm like 3,000, 6,000 or 5,000 and then like, they're right by my horse barn. And I didn't I had to spray my horses for flies like twice this summer. Like that's it. That's nice. And most people have to spray them every day, you know, just get attracted to the flies. Yeah. So I noticed that big time that's and my brother's just always just, you know, always scoreboarding me like, yeah, idiot. I was like, oh, you know, I'm still astonished. And he's just like, finally, it's working. Yeah, yeah. So that's awesome, dude. Yeah, man. It's a lot of fun out there. Yeah, well, I'm telling you, I'm going to go out for sure. I get to check it out. We have to get laminar on a horse. Dude, we do. May I ever ride the horse? Got a hop up there. We'll get you like chaps in a little English helmet. I can hold Fox Hunter. I want a little horse. That'd be great. This is a little, I want a little tiny horse. Now we're going to get you a war horse. Get you one of those like huge war horses that they rode into the Trojan war on. Well, dude, thanks for doing it, man. Man, I love tons of fun. Guys are great. There's nothing you want to shout out. 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