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Ep 608 - WrestleMania (feat. Cody Rhodes)

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Ep 608 - WrestleMania (feat. Cody Rhodes)

The conversation blends personal and professional reflections, centered on the narrator’s upbringing, family legacy, and deep connection to professional wrestling. The father, a non-union plumber, is portrayed as a humble yet influential figure whose life story—filled with wrestling passion and working-class values—resonates with authenticity, reminiscent of the narrative style in *Big Fish*. This emotional connection is mirrored in the narrator’s admiration for early wrestling culture, especially the energy of matches like WrestleMania, where moments of raw emotion and spectacle create a sense of suspension of disbelief. The dialogue also explores personal habits, such as waking early and engaging in meaningful routines, and touches on the importance of authenticity in performance and storytelling. There’s a recurring theme of generational identity, where personal experiences—like growing up with a plumber father or being drawn into wrestling through family—shape one’s worldview. The discussion extends to modern wrestling dynamics, including celebrity appearances like Pat McAfee, the nostalgia of classic eras, and the impact of fan interaction. Ultimately, the narrative emphasizes authenticity, passion, and the lasting influence of personal and familial history in shaping both identity and appreciation for the sport.

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Wow, wow, Wes. Hey, you're not masturbating in your already. What up, big guy? Oh, no. What are you doing? Let's turn this bus there. Oh, that man. Don't put the belt, don't put the belt on. Yeah, this is a, so you got quite a scene in here. Let's see what's going on. I'm going to do it with just your other hand. So on this free spirit, you're going to have to do it. It's why you've been rising for the rest of your big kids. Oh, man, it's pretty good. Well, thanks for having me in your room. You're so much. This is a fact. Energy. Oh, man, we're going to do this. What do we get going on? Oh, why do you have it so loud? You're right here. Oh, man. All right, man. It's going to work. Yeah, I'll be up covered. The bags on you. The bags on me. Hello, there's going to cry. Oh, man. Are you crying? No, I'm not crying, dude. It's just very surprised. They're good surprised. Yeah, it's a nice surprise, dude. It was tough to keep you out. Normally you're asleep by one. I thought we could sneak in there while I'd still be asleep. Yeah, I'd be nice and said he tried to go to the gym this morning. And I had to be like, no, dude, get back in your room. I have a meeting. I have a meeting works really well on a lot of people. It was it. Yeah. I have a comment. Oh, I don't think it's even like the parlance anymore. But I have one where I tell my one buddy. And he knows I'll be like, I got to zoom in the zooms. I don't think people are even zoom anymore. But he knows that just because I believe it. It's a good move. What's going on? Thanks for coming. Yeah. Appreciate you. We're starting Austin, huh? Yeah. This is it. My dad grew up in East Austin. And I feel like I forget that. And I feel bad because I'll come into town. I've got two nephews who are at the University of Texas. Just that's awesome. Forget to say hi, breathe right over them. They're doing it. You can say hi to them today. Nope. No, we are meeting. David, that's from East Austin. I didn't know that. Yeah. No, he was he was from East Austin. His his whole story coming up in Austin was just like, especially when he got into his his wrestling career in the American dream. A plumber son. Yeah. My grandfather Virgil was a plumber. But the story he would tell and you see it in a lot of the old old territory wrestling interviews is that like they were down on their luck style plumber. But my mom knows better. He was a non-union plumber who was killing it. He he he was doing very well. Yeah. And dusty. My dad was like his pride and joy. You see all these pictures him and like full-blown brand new cowboy outfits and like the red wagon and everything. I mean, they weren't super, super rich or anything like that. But it's funny to hear the story as it's told later in my dad's career because you know, I'm the common man that, you know, dad was a plumber. I came up on the streets. Yeah. Yeah. There's some elements of that. I don't know about, you know. Like my life ends up very much. Have you seen the movie Big Fish? Yes. Yeah. Okay. So my life. I felt like that movie hit me in a way that no movie has ever hit me. When my dad passed away and we were at a service, it is literally like the scene in Big Fish where you you realize, man, a lot of this stuff was real. Like a lot of these stories were cheesy. Like these characters are it's accurate, which is a crazy thing to think. But yeah, he's the lore. It was there. You're just calling him out in that one detail. Well, this is what I don't mind it because I can't he's a plumber son. They grew up on a call like technically. It's real. It's real. But I always laugh like my mom knows a little better on that how he was he was treated very well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like to hit my dad with that. My dad, I like to tell him he was fake poor. Yeah. He loves crying poor. I'm one of 10. We didn't have pot. You know, all that shit. It's like, bro, you're spoiled, dude. Shut up. We call it a spring scene when you pretend to be more working class in your art. It's pretty spring scene. It's real. I feel like that's maybe all generational. Yeah. Is they seem to for how bad it was. It seemed to get everything they ever wanted, you know, everybody got the big family and everything. And I get it college was 20 bucks house house was $150. Right. They're doing great. And then so because we're talking about your hours, sleeping hours. What's what? When are you up? When are you down? That's a good question actually. Lamar. When are you up? When are you down? Why are you talking to me? No, no, this is actually a point. Oh, what are you trying to talk shit? You're all fucking about Lamar. We we've got. We've got guys in our group that run at a completely different speed that they're you know if you text them at 7 a.m. You'll receive a reply at 1 p.m. That's when he's up. It's got most of the squad. Okay. Yeah. Other than that. That's a way the rest of the squad is. See, I'm from like a different. I think I'm misplaced in time. I'm up super early. I'm a total goody two shoes. I'm also a real let everyone know. I'm working real hard here. Yeah, it's like. Speaking of the guys who wake up early, let everyone know they're up. Yeah, they're really like it's a car. Just you know, I'm a wake right there. I do it every single time. It's the best. I love like because we were just filming a TV show and I had to wake up every day like six every day. I would text all my friends but I did wake up. You bombs do the struggle. Yeah. Yeah, Ryan Christ. I'm already working. There is something beautiful to getting up early in the morning. There's a whole day that you don't. That's just nice. It's awesome. I discovered the super old man thing that I do. I was describing it as maybe the most old man thing I do. We just went to the beach with my girls. And I go down to the beach right when the. The gets the chair part like the chair person opens and I'm there waiting for my beach chairs. And then I put stuff in the chairs so that people know these are. Yeah, these are these are taken and I so I was standing around with a group of men that were much older and talking about things a lot different than what I would be talking around. I thought this is yeah, this is where I'm supposed to be. Yeah, this is me. Now I've two little kids. Any chance you can get to just like get it like a solo 15 minutes is pretty nice. Yeah, I wake up. We're at the beach. I wake up. I got to set the tent up now. I'm going to set it up. It's nice to you. You're like, oh, it's probably low tide now. I'm going to push it back. Little high tides coming. Yeah, I know the tide. I love that. No concept. You're thinking about the tide's got a man. That's the type of talk I want. Yeah, you guys make it up. I just make it up. I go there and just go like, yeah, probably low tide. I will. This is my theory on it. You guys with your kids. You can be wrong about everything all the time. Yeah, to your little kid. You can go. The sun explodes at night. Yeah, there we go. Holy shit. Yeah, but then they start going to school and then they start going. But I think for like six years, you have just like, I've never been wrong. No, you haven't been wrong in six years. You haven't say anything. Yeah, complete free range of times. It's going to be gone in 20 minutes. Yeah, I'm running up against kindergarten right now. She's debunked a couple of things. And I'm like, yeah, well, your teacher doesn't know. She's starting to find out some things. Yeah, you're undefeated for a while. Yeah, you're undefeated. But it's also to the tide thing just to get back. Sure. You're not totally wrong. Yeah, do you do you I feel like you may not know exactly what you mean. I was like low tide high tide. There's something to what you're saying. That's accurate. It's come. Water is coming in. Water is going to happen. I just I'd be surprised if anybody here knew timing. Like how long is it a high tide and low tide? See, I got to observe like 12 hours or no, it's like I think it's every I know the moon controls the time. I got ready to go. Yeah, I can talk. I can talk. Tads. Oh, I get it. I look at wet sand. And then I if I see the waves aren't exactly making it to the wettest point. I go, time must be going out. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Now man, you're undefeated right now. What I would have liked what I would have liked when we visited Lamar's room was for you to see he has a secret cabinet of. Oh, his guys. Ooh, a shrine. He has a shrine of guys. You took down the shrine. He got made fun of too much. Yeah. What was the shrine? No, you saw he getting some pussy in there. Yeah. What was the shrine. It was just like it was like a filthy Kingston and orange cash. Oh, see. Oh, wow. He had the figures in there. We're like, Lamar, it's time to put down the figures. But he had them hidden in one of the cabinets. What? Honestly, why did you put him down? Why did you take him down? I don't know. I just I don't know. I'll tell you, if you have a lady friend in there, be you. Keep your figures up, man. Sure that you keep. I'd say you went in there, you can't be himself of the ones in there. I mean, you can't go on watching cartoons and playing on my video game. There was a lot of, I noticed a lot of sensory overload. TV was jacked up on a documentary, and then you were playing your RGB. When you were deep in that, obviously, there cannabis swirling in there. And then like a very makeshift cleaning system where things were stacked. Yeah, he's waiting to clean. Yeah, I'm on my way to cleaning. That's like a ring of a tree. You can see the last time he cleaned by the layers of trash. That was April. Oh, man, I'll be proud of your figures, man. Yeah. Yeah, don't, don't be afraid of that. I am jealous. My nephew has all my figures now, and I saw him, and I was like, fuck, I was wondering where those went. I want him back, dude. Did you take him back? I should. Any, any grails in there, anything that was real. I was a big DX guy. So I was like, when I saw the DX figures, I was like, damn, I wish I had those guys back. It's done cold, obviously. It's a classic. What was it about DX that you, was it them just? They were just being bad boys. I don't suck it. Suck it was incredible. Suck it was huge. That was the biggest. I don't know what these are. Those are six seven. Yeah, it was every single kid of a camera's on them. I don't know what genius it was. If that was X-Pock himself, there's just like an absolute genius somewhere that was like, here's what we're going to do, because that was one of my favorite things. Did you know who came up with Suck it? So I think if you kind of pull the thread on Suck it, there's going to be a two or three guys who try to say it was them, because at first people were doing the crotch chop and DX classic WW style. Let's mark it this and it's a whole another thing. I'm going to say it's someone, it's a X-Pock. Probably if anything, Sean Michaels will get the credit for it, because he was doing this kind of before, but it's like the Fargo Strut, which is what Rick Flair does that whole deal. If you really look at it, it's hard to always determine who came up with it first. More wrestling, the rule is whoever got it over, whoever made it famous, he becomes theirs, especially in the 70s and 80s. They were just Bob Dylan songs, just straight ripping the lyrics and putting them into promos. They would do similar stuff in different territories, but there's no cable at the time. So it's really whoever marketed it and patent it. Prime example, Hulk Ogan's Hulk Up, every wrestling baby face, pretty much used to do the, hit ya, nope, not anymore, and they'd start coming back, start coming back, and then he made it such a big thing. The Hulk up was so the finger point that nobody else could do it anymore. And if you do it today, you're like a crazy person. You try to Hulk up at any point, even though that was a common baby face. Basically, they'd be selling, hey, I'm done with you hidden me. Like now I'm coming back and the crowd could feel it, but yeah, wrestling whoever gets it over, it's there. So it's Pock's pretty much. It's X-Pock's. I'd say so. Yeah. That's awesome. I think Tony A.O. came up with, you can't see it. Yeah. You don't think so. Hold on, here we go. Limerah's active. You're like by the rules. John Cena got him more over, you know. I don't know. Tony A.O. did it in a, in and like get Richard, I try it. But John Cena's been doing it for 20 plus years, you know? Where do you stand on? I think you're going to be the, you're going to be the boat. Where is it? It's John, right? You're taking it from me. Yeah, I'm going to have to go get you a little bit. I'm going to have him break into your room this week. How many people go in his room, by the way, was that? Not many. You're one of, most people don't make it back. That's a tough thing. Clearly he's refused. Clearly he's, do not go in. I'm honored. Yeah. I said, because I saw you at the Austin show you came to, right? Was it? Yeah. Yeah. Good time, man. This episode is brought to you by Pricepix, a preferred partner of the NBA. The regular season is wrapped up and the NBA playoffs are finally here. And there's no better way to cash in on that high flying hoops action than Pricepix America's number one sports picks app every bucket, every dime and every win means more when you're playing on Pricepix. So don't pass up your next shot with Pricepix and get $50 instantly when you play your first $5. 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He saw, it was a Harley. I think was Dorgna Guest, and he was like, dude, I want to do that. And I was like, bro, you should definitely do that. Damn. Make your validate. And jelly roll is a big part of what we do now. Yeah. Thank you. This is, that was Limer. Yeah, yeah, Limer. The guy sitting next to a guy going, I think I'm going to do that, and he goes, yeah, you should. That was all mania, that was really beautiful. Yeah, but you got to come to Mania, man. It's Vegas. How did you come to Mania? But did you, did you get, you got into it because of, he got me into it for a minute. It was, it was during WrestleMania, and I was like, man, I'm doing this fucking. I don't like watching WrestleMania. I'm doing this off. And then I started watching it, and I was like, oh, yeah, and then we were watching it. Actually, I watched the last few manias when, uh, years, when, uh, taker came back and like all that. I was playing on this couch. Yes. I was laying on the couch. And then when the lights went out and taker came back, I was like, everything came back. I was like, oh, shit. He, uh, I've told this story before, but he ran to the ring with two brand new, I believe either hips or knees. He just had double. And this was the first time he'd run, but the, the blackout, when we do it in the stadiums or in the arenas, it's not full, like it is on TV. It's you can see a bit and he rolled in the ring in a way that he could have probably killed a full blown lion. He had such testosterone and so I mean, he was so ready to be standing up in for that moment. It was incredible just to see how agile is why I'm such a great athlete. Uh, agile he was, but then again, in the moment he hits the choke slam on, on rock. And I told him when he was on my podcast, but I can't believe it happened this way. He literally looked over to me. And I think I missed the moment a little bit because I think he was looking for a little bit. I got your kid sheriff's level, the playing field there. But I was just half dead from whatever Roman and I had done, but he, he completely just winked at me, lights went out. I, I, I was in it. I was so like, man, it's again, like the big fish element of it with what we do, the suspension of disbelief. What's real? You cannot convince me he's not magical and save my WrestleMania. So do you know that's how my Eagles love all that all started? No, I'd know I did. Okay. So I bounced around NFL wise, I'm from Georgia, I'm from Marietta, Georgia. So as far as teams to root for in Georgia, that are safe. The Bulldogs and Athens can't ever go wrong with UGA, the Braves. The Braves are going to consistently be a good team. I got really into the Falcons as a kid, Michael, Michael, that came on board. That's awesome. He's in ticket sold out. I was wearing that number seven jersey every day. I was all about it. And then the worst thing that could have possibly happened in the state of Georgia. And then we fell off as a fandom. And then of course, Maddie Ice and the comeback. So I always loved my home team, but I never, I was never fully juiced in my sister, my oldest sister, she and I. up her big dream growing up. She wanted to cheer for the Cowboys. So she cheered for the Cowboys for two seasons. So most of my family are Cowboys fans, but I never really had a team. So I bounced all around every year. I just kind of take a pick. Hey, I like a good SEC quarterback. I'll follow him. I my favorite arena to perform in arena as well as Fargo and Philadelphia. It's a hard arena. They like the bad guys more. And for whatever reason on a night, I had nothing going on. This is money in the bank years ago. I'm sorry. I'm looking at you. I'm like, you know, the way the story we told the match was like, maybe they'll get behind Cody because this is kind of an odd group that we don't have a running favorite. Maybe they'll get behind him. They got behind me in this match and the story that matches more about me losing them winning. But after that, I thought so strange. I'm a nepo baby in the business. A lot's been handed to me. This is a type of crowd that wouldn't take to me. And from years of performing in front of them, they did. So I always had this Philly love fast forward to the biggest match of my life and where my whole life changes. And why the title exists. Why I have it here is there on the link is WrestleMania 40. And after that, I just couldn't. I mean, I dressed in their locker room. Yeah, that's all. My life was my life changing as an entertainer in the wrestling business, all the scuffs right there in that infrastructure. So I just fell I'm in. I'm in. And good team. Go bird. Yeah. Go bird. Great conversation with Cereon. Everything like a great team. I'm in and and Cron. You know, everything he did, I felt like I had just something about this place. Fast forward to I want to take my some of the camera guys and one of our writers, WWE's names Kersh and our director. They want to go to this Philly's Raiders game in Philadelphia. Like they want to go to the Eagles Raiders game in Philadelphia. And I was like, oh, we can do it. We can make it work. And I didn't want to go through anybody. I just got a suite, got a catered. I didn't try to do any of these hookups. The same game that I did this Joe Biden was that. And I'm not kidding. They treated me better than they treated Joe Biden. That's kind of surprising. I know those guys. I got I got pictures of me on the field throwing the ball. I I stood by the tunnel. They made everyone in my crew feel amazing. All we so afterwards, we're going to leave. We've had the best experience ever, especially some of the crew who this was just all of it was a bonus. Hey, come back, come in the locker room, go in the locker room, doing some local access interview about how the offensive line played that day. And I'm just talking nonsense, but they treated me like a native son. So every time I go, it gets deeper. Like I can't because my mom the other day she asked me, she was, why are you an Eagles fan? Nothing ever good happened there. And I'm thinking, you were in the ring. That's where that's where that's where it all started. So I'm new. I'm new. It's fun. But man, they do they've been so good to me. Yeah, the Eagles are all yeah. Also going back to the Nebo baby thing. I don't like that idea at all. I hear you heard about like ice cubes on all this stuff. And it's like the idea of somebody working hard and then putting their kids in a good position to like work hard and do good stuff. People resent that. I'm like, I look at it like a Roman senator. So you're just bringing more glory to the house. So it's like, yeah, it's like house. He oh, Shay Jackson, he brings glory to the house of cube. You bring you bring glory to the house of roads. I don't that whole thing. I just I'm just not with that man. Bro, it's bottom. That's like that's that's it. I mean, the song as true. I'm a super dramatic person. And when it comes to wrestling, I take it so seriously for how often silly the job actually is. But I mean, the first words in my song are wrestling has more than one royal family. And it's all about, you know, the hearts, the big man's the Guerrero's and finally getting a little, hey, the roads are here, dude, you know, we're gonna run this score up. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I think that's awesome. We hear people like, it's like, dude, tell your dad to do better, man. Tell your dad to step it up, man. So anybody who brings their kids around work, and they're if they're like young boys or whatever, and they're thinking about getting in a wrestling, I always tell him, like, hey, it's gonna be easy for you. Private jets, you're not gonna be commercial. And I can always see like their parents stop on the tour bus. Like, hey, you got a little heat in the locker room. That's okay. They're just just if it's gonna be bad, just lean into it. Yeah, lean into it. You know, like WrestleMania, somebody called me the golden boy yesterday in a backstage pre-tap or a few weeks go on TV. And I thought hilarious because I used to be a job guy here. I started very low here. But after that, I decided I'm gonna just go in on this and my maniac year, a lot of gold, like real. Yeah, sick. Real little bit of a under the under the cow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You gotta go, dude. It was hardcore. Holly like big Bob. Yeah. Do you have any bodybuilders in your in your life? No, just me. Yeah. That's the juice. So he was the first guy who taught me how to train. But his life consisted of one night I drove him from Jamestown, New York to somewhere upstate New York in the middle of a blizzard. And we get to a red roof in at 7 a.m. legit barely. This has just been brutal. The show's not so 7 30 the next day. And I asked him when he wanted to meet and he's the old school guy who they didn't just set times. They say, oh, call me when you wake up that thing. No, tell me the time. Yeah. That's weird. Right. But he was like, I don't know. What is it 7 30 now? Let's say me to 10. Yeah. What? And we'd workout. We'd eat. Then we'd have nothing to do. We'd eat again. He was just very much the first guy I met. That was one thing he did right by me. He taught me about, I guess, proper training and proper nutrition and took me to the gym. And as far as a tag team partner, he was one of the toughest guys in the locker room. So no one ever really messed with any of us. But then other nights, he'd scare me. I think like one night, I was in the shower and you know, those soap caddies, the things you put a bar and a bar soap. I guess I was taken too long. And he was getting frustrated with him anyways. And also in that soap caddy flew by my head and shattered against the shower wall at like a a Mariano Rivera speed to the point where I hope he wasn't the name. And for me, because that would have killed him. But now he was, he has a very grumpy reputation, but I had at the time I got nothing but respect for it because I needed that. I needed, I think that's why they put us together. Give him the most curmudgeon. I mean, his name is hardcore holly. Let's, let's see how they do. He do one thing he did that would always be a lesson, but a tough lesson. Sometimes he did way cooler stuff than me in the ring. And then they'd build the big hot tag we call it. The guys getting beat up, he's getting beat up, he's getting beat up. Finally, the other team are going to power play style, switch the odds here. And sometimes instead of him getting beat up to tag me in and give me this big glorious moment, he'd just grab a guy in a full Nelson and pick him up and slam him, which is a full Nelson slam, which is a finish. And then he just walk over and tag me like this, and I'd get in and like, oh, punch. Drops. He's coming to kick and while he's down. He like really plucky. He's like, yeah, baby. This guy. So he was, he was the exact right person. I still friendly with him to this day. I think the exact right person I needed in my life, a wild one. And but never, never did anything crazy or unsafe because he's got a lot of weird stories. He was great by me. What I needed at the time. What is the training like thing? Because you got like, it's almost probably similar to bodybuilding, but then you probably have to do a lot of like, I don't know, like a agility balance, flexibility. So you don't just like jump off the thing and rip everything. Today, it's the way NXT operates, which is our developmental system, the performance center. I, I won't, I like how I came up, which was a different system. I came up. I went to OVW where you got with like-minded people. You'd sit there and watch wrestling. This is before the network. It was WWE on demand. It was like, seven, nine, like on the cable package, watch the MSG network shows and stuff like that. I got around people liked wrestling. I'd go to the gym. They'd, that was, if you liked it, you'd click today. It's all, they've got it all mapped out really well. They've got exactly what you mentioned. They've got agility. They've got multiple rings, including one that has an extra layer of pad and bounce. So if you're going to try big high spots, they've got Shawn Michaels. Again, we're talking about probably the greatest in the ring ever. So that's your head coach. How could you not be good? The system they have down, down there with the performance center now is designed for the NIL athlete because they're used to it. I came from baseball. I came from football. I came from gymnastics. So they need all that. They need a room that's recovered. very sweet. They need a full blown weight room, which they have. They need all that. When I came up, you were just doing it yourself, which I liked, because you found like mind of people. I remember my whole class of coming up from OVW, but the system now, it's a lot healthier, a lot healthier to get everybody ready. But the bodybuilding aspect of it, because since 2007, the wellness policy is there. So the bodybuilding aspect of it, there's a couple of OGs still who treat it that way. For the most part, it's it's all shapes and sizes again, 80-70 style, where not everyone is shredded to the gills and not moving. There's a lot of, I guess, better athletes, I suppose. Yeah. It's less juicing. I would try to put it in there because those boys were flying. Old wrestling, you know. See, old wrestling, easy guy sprinted at like ultimate warrior. I'm not saying he will. Well, he probably definitely was, but just sprinted out of the fucking tunnel. He was kind of the highest guy I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. It's kind of awesome though. Yeah. There's this crazy clip of road warrior hawk, I think, running. This is pre WBE, but talking about that type of energy and flowing through the veins. Yeah. Yeah. He's running out in a studio TV show. So his distance he needs to move is about 10 feet to the ring. And then he's going to have to turn to face the little studio camera. Forget if you save him. My dad or if they were saving somebody, but he's running with such everything that he jumps the top rope nearly hangs himself. The rope gets and then he's able as strong as a bull and the adrenaline and speed. Yankees that out. Save the fall. So he never falls. He jumps to the top rope where his head is. But then he's, you know, when you're falling and you need something to catch, he catches himself on the top rope where they're all like this. Anyways, looking at the heels, come on. What the, like, you know the conversation after I had to be like, what the, like when Rick Flair, when he, he's old, but when he like runs into the turnbuckle and like bounces off of it, he's just flying. I think nature boy, if you were to shoot him in today, you know, he could flip up upside down. He's, he's, he's got it. We're about to shock master. You think he was a little juxtaple? Well, the shock master might have been juiced on the shock master's connected to my family. I don't know. Oh, I didn't know that. So no longer married to my Aunt Bobby, but that was my uncle Fred. What? And my dad, I'm trying to word this nicely because I don't know. I was a kid. It seems like my dad was trying to help Fred out. Okay. And seemed like he was trying to give him a role. He had great run at WWE. His typhoon and tugboat. So the shock master was the role. I don't like to just, it doesn't seem like the idea was that well. It was a stormtrooper mask. It was a bedazzle. It's a bedazzle stormtrooper mask. It's a stormtrooper helmet. That Jamie spray painted silver spray paint on it. But the story, the story I've heard is that it wasn't Fred's fault because before when they did a flayer for a gold, the, he, this guy ends up falling as he busts through a wall. His helmet falls off. And he's the whole things dad in the water right that moment. The best part about that is Sid, who's going to WWE's Hall of Fame right now is still trying to hang on to it. Most people in that group are like, woo, it's the same good. We got to get out of here. We can't just go, well, cut, you know, it's alive always with us. But Sid's going, who is that? He's trying to stay in. But the thing that Fred told everybody is there was a board, a guy named Jackie Crockett, who is a cameraman. He put that board there to just make sure the flayer for the goal because there's just a three wall set doesn't fall. That board apparently was not there earlier in the day and that board is what did it. I don't know anyway, which this ever would have worked. Say he emerges to the wall in his story. His purpose and Oli Anderson, who's doing his voice. He's like, yeah, it's not him talking. He's like lip-syncing, like he's talking. It's so crazy. Okay. So this happens. And it's funny to the entire wrestling world. Some stuff is so bad. It's funny. We call it a monitor cell out where it's just, oh my god. It's gone so bad. Look at it. Like let's stay. But I had a very interesting ride home because my dad was mortified. And I'm pretty sure he thought he was going to be fired by Ted Turner and TBS. My uncle was not going to make it in that role. That wasn't going to. So we just drove home from wherever that was in dead silence, like the lost the games, like that type of. So all we ever talked about was wrestling. And how cool that was. But I knew like we did we do this. Yeah. Yeah. You bomb you get in the car with everyone. Drive home silently. Yeah. The bit the bit didn't work out that someone says one thing like you shut the fuck up. That's a bad ride. Yeah. And there's always the one guy trying to be like, let's go to Taco Mac or someone. No, man. Like yeah. My friends. We have this thing of the match. Oh, the funniest bomb ever. My two friends were on stage together and just the crowd fucking hated them. And then we get in the car and we're driving back to our place and it's just dead silent. And then finally it's like you guys suck. And then they were like, okay, all right. Yeah. It's pretty funny. Yeah. We suck. And then after like an hour of me making fun of them, the one dude just losses mine and tried to fight it. Oh, no. Well, we had a chair. Isn't it? We had like a house with like five of us. There's one chair we don't play video games. If you bomb it, like do you guys sit in the bomb chair? Are you bomb tonight? You got the bomb chair? He kept bringing up the mashup. Yeah. And he stood up fully like fighting you right now. I can't. I thought he was joking too. He like went into the kitchen. He was like, are you one of the fuckers? So I got in his face joking. I was like, and then I realized he was serious. And I was like, Oh, he might murder me. Do you feel it's important, though? The passion in terms of when you bomb or have that moment, you need to have that bad night. Yeah. For sure. But I would never argue. And I don't know why I would say never. I spas on so many people after I've bombed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think you need that. Yeah. It's embarrassing though. When you, if you bomb and then you get mad at somebody else, yeah, you got to be mad at yourself. Yeah. I almost threw a can of liquid death just the other night. I loved the last like two words of my closer. I just like fucked up the clothes and loved the words. And I was like, all right. Yeah. You guys got that idea. I'm out of your side about that. And I walked backstage and I was getting like ready just to hurl a full liquid death. And I saw a camera above me. I'm like, yeah, maybe I'll just chill. Yeah. So I just squeezed it privately. I put against my chest and squeezed it. I saw like right before you took a break from stand up, you got off stage at helium. And I was on the other side of the door. And I was just like, Oh, that's like, fuck. I was like, Oh, never mind. Never mind. You can just be like laughing off. But every once in a while, you'll see someone like fully like the worst. We did a comedy contest in New Jersey. That was sick. And I had like an okay set. And I remember the guy came up after me and was just like, yeah, this started to like trash me. And I was watching it. And I was like, he was sitting next to me. And he was like, fuck her. Chains laughing. I'm like, it's not funny. And then I was I chilled out for sure. But I remember he was done. He was with his girlfriend. I like, walked up to him. This is like hours later. Walked up to him. I was pretty funny, man. He was like, Oh, okay. And I was like, no, seriously, every day I get I like pulled him in. I'm like, every day I get a fucking kill. He was like, dude, relax. I'm just kidding. He was right. I'm just being spassed. But yeah, it's okay. As far as like wrestling promos go in the last lines being flubbed, that's one of the worst feelings ever when you think you've got some high ammunition. And then you come back and realize, didn't get. I got 60% of that. Yeah. And it didn't land. And it also, you feel like it's everybody else's fault. Because our lease side, you go out there and it's live. So there's the camera there and there's all these other elements. I'll tell you a crazy one that people never take into account. Now I own my bus every now and then I'll try and do this. But the amount of stuff, physical stuff, sometimes in wrestling. So you're just sitting there, you're talking, I'm going to say this, I'm going to say this. And then you realize like, I got it. I'm going to have the title and the mic and then I might have the glasses on. You think of all these other elements. And I always, those are where I usually go to blame. Like that. Yeah. You'll know there was one promo I did where I laid the title in front of me. And I just told the cameraman, I said, shoot up like it's a big dramatic shot. I can't park around with this thing right now. Like I, it's so much. Yeah. Yeah. I play everything else. When I fucking crowd sensitive, whatever, no matter what, I got a fucking guy before me sucked. The last time that that you felt you bombed. It happens a lot. I bombed on Friday, the fucking United Center in Chicago. Big build. That was the biggest big money. Literally the biggest arena. And that was actually sounds fault. Yeah. So there's a acoustic why acoustically it was terrible. We fixed it. They were adjusting it the entire time during my set. Oh, it took like 25 minutes into my set. They started to fix it. Did you feel that are you your own biggest critic that you bombed by your standards? Or did you feel you really? I don't know. It probably wasn't a true. It wasn't a true. It was fine. The show was fine. But there was definitely like sections of people that could barely hear it. So then you're like, those people wasted their money. Yeah. Yeah. That's like you feel all careful about that. You're a real, you're, you're a real one. Well, that's the worst. Well, the consumer experience is everything. I feel like the longer you go in any type of entertainment, I like being around people who care because a lot, like a lot of young wrestlers, for example, they're just, just want to body slam him and then he kicks me up and we go, they're thinking very much about just two of them. Yeah. And then I think especially if they go on before Raw or Smackdown, I'm thinking there was 12,000 people. Yeah. They were, they, they didn't mind what you did, but you could have brought them in and involved them. Could have, like, get them going, get excited. We're about to go on air versus do kind of your own performance. The first, I did the first arena I ever did. I was always like, I'm not going to use fucking like fog machines and fucking lights and shit. Like I'm like, that's all fucking corny. I just, it was the worst decision of all that. Just stood on, it was just violent in a stage. And I was like, we got to get some fucking lights and shit. We got to spruce this up. Yeah. Is that the other comedians doing? I'd be like, fucking losers. Yeah. And then you kind of have to. That's kind of the George Strait in like country music world just stands in the center of the stage. Yeah, it turns out I'm not George Strait. So I feel like a lot of people have the turns out I'm not George Strait moment. I was like, you know what? Yeah. Load it up. Yeah. I'm good. I was night one. And then night two. I was like, all right, we got to get like some fog or something. They got one tiny like mall fog machine. It was like a hundred yards away from me. There was just like steam coming out of the side, bombed again. I was like, oh, fuck. That's a working progress. Yeah. We're figuring it out. Yeah, that's too big of a space just to come out to and be like, walk some walk out quietly. Yeah. Everyone's waiting for you. Crazy. That's so fucking. Yeah, it was bad. I used to think it would be funny to come out on stage to ambient music like the stuff you fall asleep to. Yeah. I tried it once. And I was just like, I'm so, so whole pick songs to walk out to because it's funny in the idea of it's funny. Like, what if I walk out to like flute EDM of fucking dubstep? And then every time Matt walks out at one of my shows, I'm like, who picked, what is this? Turn this the fuck off. It also plays for three seconds. Yeah. It just blasts that fucking garbage. That doesn't play long enough for it to land. And I also run you never really fast like it. That was funny. He just starts, he's like, hey, how's everybody doing? This guy's out of his mind. Yeah. It's like, boy, boy, boy, boy, boy. Yeah. What's the song? You got the song. I know exactly what it is. I can play right now. It's just a song. How did you come with your theme song? Damn. Come on. That song, well, the speaking of him coming out to land songs that may not land. I got to hit it. I got a good one right here. Where is this thing? Is this one? Oh, here it is. I found it. No, no, it's not that better. It sounds pretty similar. No, it's right. I'm excited. I'm worried that this is such a long. Here we go. Let me skip a head a little bit. It's good. It's a good fucking wrestling walk out. All right. Yeah. I'm worried though. I'm worried though. It's crazy. The song doesn't really tell us anything about you, right? Other than I privately think that's funny because to your question, the trick with a wrestling song, all the greatest wrestling music, it doesn't need to be a good song. It needs to be a catchy song. Jimmy Hart, the mouth of the South, the manager for Hogan, he was making all that great 90s content music that ended up being everyone's favorite. It was catchy. I like Kingdom, the song I come out to. And I actually think those guys are great. Downstate is great. It's great song. It's done amazing things. It's the only walk out song I think WWE has. The WWE doesn't own. I don't know how we feel about that. But the issue is I hear it so much that especially at the end of the night, it's if I'm doing the rounds and I'm staying and they're just playing that one song, it gets you. Yeah, and I heard my daughter the other day. She doesn't know the words, but she was saying like something she put paw patrol in it all of a sudden. It's very, it's very, you can, I've heard people do something, something, Cody Rhodes, which is just kind of the appropriate way to sing it and what not. As long as you get to the woe. What do they say? What do they say? Yeah, the way nobody seems to know the words, but they just, there's one part of that. Something, something, Cody Rhodes, and it's, if you think of it that way, it's a pretty, it's a pretty interesting song by WWE standards too. It's got my voice, which I recorded on a generation one iMac when I first left WWE because I took this song on the road with me. That's one of the things why WWE doesn't own it. 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My word. We'll find her. What? I was a big, spoke American guy like this. Yeah. Yeah, speaking of that guys, what's going on with that prick Pat McAfee? Yeah, what the hell? What a prick. How well? How well do you know? I know I'm pretty well. Yeah, he's a jerk. Let me see what I can see. I like to stomp him in Las Vegas, WrestleMania. I'm going to beat the fuck out of Pat McAfee. I mean, that would honestly be awesome. I actually have to open the straight-of-horn news again, though. Oh, yeah, fucking bit closed. It's I can't cut a big try. I've been I've been told that some of the people in his his orbit, his circle think he's the next Sylvester Stallone. In terms of TV film, I don't know if I'm getting that. From what I've watched, I have very limited knowledge on Pat other than I love me some college game day. Yeah. Yeah. He is very good on college game day. I will say I know you don't want to hear this. He's the fucking man. Yeah. - I would say, I'm glad. I'm glad there are people who like to pitch themselves in these WrestleMania and these big moments. I am flattered. - Yeah, he wants to be a part of it. - I'm flattered. Yeah, that's as Lamar, you shaking your head, no. - What was that? - Lamar, have you turned on Pat? - Have you turned on Pat? This is a Pat friendly house, right? - I haven't turned on Pat, but like to, like, you know, like it doesn't make any sense. - Talk your shit dude. - Yeah, talk it. - Like, yeah. - Talk it 'cause I'm not. - Yeah, give me a hand. - I'm, I'm just gonna do the Mariah Carey answer moving forward on Pat McAfee. - I don't know him. - There's like no tough punters, like, you know. - What's the answer to this, right? 'Cause you keep me in the, like below the belt here. - Yeah. - That was an NFL punter. - That one, that might be, though you want to stay away from those legs, I don't know. That might be it. - Yeah. - This is the first time I've been asked about him. And I think henceforth, I'm just going with the Mariah Carey. I don't know him, response. - Even though I might-- - What was the nature of the betrayal? - What exactly happened? - Oh man. - What do you do? - I, let's see how we could explain. Randy Orton, who I'm wrestling in WrestleMania, we have like almost two decades of history between each other. He was my mentor and I had Sino, I drove around. I had Randy, very different opinions, but also really helped shape me. We were on screen together as part of his group legacy. He had my dad's last match, my first match in the company, so he was Randy. There was a lot of rich story material. And then we inserted Pat McAfee. (laughing) And that's, we are literally in that part right there. So your question, is everybody else's question? - True. - And that helps this guy even doing here. - Yeah, no, you know like the troops all outside and there's that clown, right? I'm not saying he's like the clown in that regard. He just, it's an interesting fit. And we're gonna see where it goes. - We say he's not a serious person. - No, I don't, I think he seems like you can't have that much success and be ground up like he is without being a serious person and having been to the Thunderdome. - For sure. - What I would say is, right now what I've seen is everyone around Pat McAfee, his orbit, probably someone needs to say, no, every now and then. That seems like a dangerous group of people to, you know, you need like we were talking about Bob Holly earlier, man. You need that one guy in the room to be like, I don't know, man, jumping into the WrestleMania main event. Also, while I was getting my ass kicked in the ring the other night looking up and he's wearing shades, like he put the shades on to go out there, it's a different era of wrestling. It was like watching a guy at a bar do like a stone cold impression or like, and here's the thing and I'm really trying to, I'm just gonna stick with it, I don't know him, but this is my, is, I heard him, again, getting my ass kicked. I heard him talk about the attitude era and I'm thinking, oh man, I don't think he knows. Almost 30 years ago, almost, so love it and it was the most prolific era in the business until the last four years. So if you're part of the last four years, you kind of feel like, why are we talking about this? You know what I'm saying? We're playing in this game. Why are we talking about this? And yeah, no, I'll stick with the official though. I don't know him. Yeah. Damn dude. Should be interesting. Oh, and that's the best part about it. It's very interesting. WrestleMania and something that modern wrestling fans and more what I mean is younger fans who didn't watch WrestleMania one or two, the original WrestleMania was built on the celebrity interaction. Like Mr. T. Hogan, Liberace, everything there. You know, you know, Wendy Richter, everything like Mike Tyson and when WrestleMania with him was Sean and Steve. So there's always that element. Now Pat is there. They were sat in the ring. He's in it. He's the new Liberace. Is what you're saying? (laughing) In that list of celebrities who come to the first of the mania, Muhammad Ali, Mr. T. Wendi Richter and Liberace, you decide where Pat falls on the list. You decide, you know? Well, there's that. Yeah, I was watching the, I just saw an Instagram reel of when Mayweather was on, when he punched Big Show. I watched that live and I was like, he really fucking punched him. Yeah. And then them talking about it was pretty sick. Also, I think show, the Big Show, they had a nice agreement between each other. That, when wrestling's done, right? The best thing ever is when you can just have a little bit of a doubt on, ooh, seems like those guys, do hate each other. Seems like, and we have a lot of that in both main events this year. There's a lot of sincerity to the suspension of disbelief. I just believe you. Yeah. I love that. Well, I tried very hard to navigate in this bloody, so now I'm sitting here to feel bad. No, dude. It's wrestling, man, yeah, it's wrestling, man, yeah, it's wrestling, man, yeah, too. He's such a serious guy, say that I, the crazy thing from my game day experience. Did you have notes when you did yours? No. I didn't know what was going on. You just won it. I had a couple drinks. I had a couple drinks during the day too. It was a night game. It was a no-name playoff game at night, dude. I was mackered on there and mackered a few gold. Almost made it. Almost made it. Yeah. It's such a great show. I went on and I had the night before, kind of like a set had been thinking of, there's, there's some teams I don't know. I don't know much about Kansas State, but I want to be able to make my picks. I'm in Athens and I go up there and I got the title and I got the fanatics other UGA title. They're making me bring up there. So I didn't have notes. And I sat down next to Coach Lee and I sat down and he looked at me and just went, no notes, huh? And I thought, oh, shit, oh, man, oh, no, no, no, could I have notes? I would have not been able to memorize who won this award because some of those teams are, I'm not watching, you know, I'm an SEC guy, mainly for the most part. That's where I was at, but I loved game day. Love it. Yeah, it's awesome. You did great on game. Thanks. Yeah, like the replicate. The ride is great. Yeah. That's a good statement on that show. I mean, it's real. That was so funny. You also have a deep knowledge of all like the teams and stuff. I wouldn't. I'd be tough. It would stiff me out pretty quickly, I think. Do you ever, do you ever listen to a Sabin or a Kirby locker room speech to get yourself fired up? Those are sick. Those are pretty awesome. I have found myself listening to Kirby talk to a bunch of college kids like they're going to war. Yeah, it's awesome. And I didn't realize he might have f-bombs in a college, like Kirby speeches get me. That's a regular little treadmill lesson. Freeman got one at a Notre Dame's coach got one is half time a Notre Dame Penn State. I think it was 10 nothing, 10 three, and he was like, it's just a fight. Go out and fucking fight. Yeah. He's like, you know, this fight on man, Louis holds has my favorite one. It was right before it was Notre Dame Miami, they got in a fight in the tunnel. And all the players are like, because coach holds was like a very serious like, they're like, we're going to, he's going to yell at us for fighting. And he's like, I just got one thing to say, you leave Jimmy Johnson's ass for me. Yeah. Yeah, all right, P, is this Yeah, what a, you see, yeah, it was that game. It was that game. Yeah, that's, that was just real as it gets. That's fun. Oh, yeah. All on the line. You know what I'll say about the Miami fans, they, they love the whole, we're the bad guys thing. Yeah. You call them convicts once and they're all like, that's mean. Oh, yeah, I tell you guys, we can't think. Shout out. Well, I think also the number seven to come for you, Miami, you coming to South Bend. I think the sensitivity of that arrow is a little different though in terms of what was on TV. Also, the way they presented both themes. True. Yeah. Well, the way the teams present themselves, also, Miami's going to tell me to help it off and spike it on a guy's character question to find out where you stood during the Catholic Skondex side of football and I know exactly where I stay at this. I like my roster, not getting arrested constantly. That's, I mean, what are we talking about? That's why my dad loved you, but I see why you like the bulldogs. Oh, the dog, bro. They're the best. They're pretty good. Other than that sugar bowl. Yeah. That was fun. But also as far as a team to root for, it's a good team. You're consistently, you're, you're winning home game between the, between the hedges. You know, the bulldog, man, you like it, bevo, bevo attacks, it'll go, bevo, every time someone's like, I think it's a good idea. Let's just get a dog. Why would you put a full-blown steer in this bulldog are going to do well together. You know, I love them dogs. And a dog biting people sometimes that's nice. Well, that great picture. I think he's got a five in the Auburn game. Yes. That's the type of run through brick wall stuff. If our dog is getting into this, we're fighting. You know, that's pretty cool. Yeah. I think my niece is going to UGA. Nice. Yeah, that's big. That's awesome. I'm excited. Yeah, the dog's good team. My mom's a big Notre Dame fan. She's, she's a saint. Yeah. She, she, yes, you're happy to hear that. She says you're struggle because we don't get it. Because here's why don't you get this. So her air of growing up Notre Dame, it's Notre Dame. That's all you have to say, touchdown Jesus. It's Notre Dame. Right. However, we don't know anyone who went there anymore. We don't have any connection to it. That doesn't stop. And multiple children have gone to other major universities. And it's still, I'm going to the Notre Dame game with my sister, the, who, who do you know? It's like you got to get out there. That's their thing. Once you see it, you go, I get it. Does it get you? Yeah. You'll get it. It gets you. All right. It's one of the greater franchise. I'm a franchise. Greater institutions of all time. If not, top five, top five is crazy. Top five. Now since Bama went on that run with Sabin, now Notre Dame's two in Bama being one. Bama's now number one. Where would you put you? Yeah. Recently, they made a good run because before that, I think they had one title since like 1980. Yeah. Then they had. But now they, yeah. They're up there for sure. What about Texas? Not really. Yeah, man. I still like Texas. They're great. They're, they're long ones are fun. Look at maybe. They're not. You can't put them up there. It was. They're not even above Oklahoma. Oh. All time though. Just blue blood wise. Wrestling. Famous wrestling and answer Jim Ross is watching this now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I sent you a text about this. I don't know. I think I saw you talk about it one time. And I was telling myself. I was like, I have to ask him about it is a Ken Burns Civil War. Shoot rocks. I live for Ken Burns. Yeah. And it. Have you seen it? I haven't seen it though. It's 47 hours long. Yeah. I heard it. I've never seen it. I haven't been able to commit to it. There's no video. I've watched it. Yeah. It's just pictures. I watched it eight times. I don't think I've gotten to Gettysburg. I watched the first five hours of this thing. That's still really good. It's great. Awesome. I got the part of Gile and Street Fighter coming up. Oh, yeah. That's right. And I'm thinking like, Oh, I just want to get as American. Yeah. How you can get, right? And deep dive into, you know, military history, all stuff I already, like. Yeah. Clearly already. Very much like. But I was just diving in. And for whatever reason, I got stuck on Ken Burns Civil War. And I was just fine with that. Yeah. So good. It's so incredible. It's still funny to watch that prepare for Gile. Yeah. Yeah. I got an knowledge of what it's. What's real. Think about it. Think about it. Pick its chart. Hey. The sonic boom. This is what it took to get you know, true. Oh, it's just a good day. I was shalt on that. What's that? Andrew shalt on that. Yeah. It's phenomenal. Yeah. He's the man. Oh. And genuinely phenomenal. Yeah. I think people will be. Cause they have Noah, Centenayah, Kalina, and Koji. The three leads. Chun Lee. Ryu and Ken are killing it. They knew their stuff. They were ready. They were pros, pros. And I think they put 50 cent sholts in me. And we got to come in, float in. And the way sholts is in the movie really blew me away. Yeah. Cause I got to see him both making people laugh hysterically. And then also a couple sincere moments. He's a special one. Yeah. Really special one. Yeah. He told me he'd help me against McAfee. I don't know. Sholts. Yeah. And then sholts also has started. I think single handedly sholts started up. Mortal Kombat versus. I'll tell that. And everyone, I think on stage thought like the same thing. Okay. Well, back him. Cause that's our guy. But like, you know, like, yeah, I don't know how far. I think it's only any worse. Like sholts is ready for a fight. But also like, I don't know. I was saying he's like my tag partner. I'm in. We got to go. We got his back. Great guy. I wish he had jumped in the ring with his shades on. And he came out of the attitude era. True. While I was laying there. Confused. You know, uh, but yeah, no. I know him. Yeah. True. I know this other guy. McAfee's a freaking punk. I can't turn it. I can't wait for this. I can't wait for this all to get settled. Hey, is this your wrestler go to this right here? I got. Have you. I got Hulk Hogan. What coming from you? And you, uh, do you know? When you do, when you do media and stuff for, for your shows, the people ever ask you, do something funny for every all the time. Okay. And what do you have a bit? No, I said, no, I don't do. I do. I tell everyone because some people when they don't know wrestling and I totally understand how great the 80s were and I get it. I loved it myself. But that is a common. Hey, man. Why don't you just cut a quick little promo for. And that's what they want. And I usually, it's, it's so soft and just almost I'd say, I, you can see in their eyes. Oh, that's what I want. I thought you were going to like say, let me tell you something brother. You know, like, bro, it's seven a.m. Uh, I'm in a suit and it's, it's 2026. You know, like, I can just tell you this other stuff. But then also in my mind, I leave, like, well, I should have something. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I now try to have one ready. But then I never do. And just always try and tell him. Let's just avoid before we get out of here. Cause I think you actually have to go. Yeah. Could you cut one for us, Lamar? Yeah. Sure. Lamar, please cut a wrestle man. He needs you to cut one. I need it Lamar. Lamar. Let me get in front of the camera. Get in front of the camera. Yeah. Get in front of the camera, bro. I'll set you up. Lamar. This guy came for us. Yeah, bro. He inserted himself in a wrestle man. That's your turf. Lamar, the belt was in your pool house. Yeah. Honor it. That they V title. Grab the note. Get the belt. Get the belt, bro. Get the note. Get the belt, bro. Get the note. Get the belt for this. Yeah. Get him. You got a brother. Can't tell McAfee. What's up, dude? What's the date? One's WrestleMania. 1890. Yeah. Pat McAfee, you dare say that the wrestling industry is the wrestling fandom to the IWC stinks. Dude, this is the stuff that you're made of. This is what you're from without the IWC. You wouldn't even be on TV. You wouldn't be shit. Keep going. He won't be shit. This WrestleMania. April 18th, April 19th. You and Randy Orton think you're going to take on the American Nightmare Cutie Realty. You think you're going to walk out unharmed. Yeah. You think you're going to walk out fully together. You think you're going to walk out the same guys? Just guy right here, Cody Rhodes. You're making Nightmare, QB1 of the WWE. He really lets us down. He won a lot of shit talking to that. You fucking he does pretty good for us. What the fuck? Look at that. That was great. I think unfortunately you set it up where it's like, man, he rarely lets us down. Basically like no chance. He's going to let us down. Lamar I was happy. So you coming to Mania, right? Yeah, you know he's going to get into Mania. You got to be there after all that. Watch out for pads. You got to be there. Can I before we go, I have to say one more thing. So on the way here, I was doing a little research. I came across an interview with you and your wife, Brandy, right? Yeah. And there was just a point of it. It made me laugh so hard where she introduced herself as the African American Nightmare. Yeah. And then you said it. You're like, yeah, I forget American Nightmare. You're like, okay, don't say that. That interview's so funny. It's not man. It's not mine. It's not mine. It's not mine to access. Yeah. And I learn it more every day. It's not. So I referenced my nickname on TV. Rahim. And that was funny. Until I said it. And then now I live with it. So yeah, if you're so funny, that's not mine. It's not easy. Nobody loved you. You must have been like, oh, I'm keeping that now. See how it goes for me. That's not mine. God, that was fun. It's really funny. You definitely watched that. I learn every day. Yeah. Yeah. It's good. You're growing. Yeah. You learn it. Lamar, thank you for the promo. That was a great job. Lamar. Yeah. You're coming to WrestleMania, man. You got it in Pat. He'd be scared. He'd be scared running into you, man. You got him shaking, right? You got it. You're holding the Notre Dame title. Friends. Yeah. Yeah. Have our friends at fanatics. Yeah. You know, you feel in that energy. It's past move now. Yeah. What do you worry about? I think you could take Pat. Randy, Randy, like a- human horse, though, thick, you thick boy, you know, so you got the mayor's the mayor. You're strong as hell, right? You're okay. We're talking like you're taking out Pat. Oh, yeah, I can take Pat. Pat would beat the hell out. Yeah, I'm going to heel. I'm going back. Well, thank you very much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, man. So, man, thank you so much. 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Podcast Summary

Key Points:

  1. The conversation explores personal memories, family history, and early morning routines, highlighting a deep connection to wrestling roots and personal identity.
  2. A central theme is the authenticity of storytelling, particularly regarding the narrator’s father—a plumber and wrestling fan—whose life experiences are seen as genuine, even if exaggerated, echoing the spirit of films like *Big Fish*.
  3. The discussion touches on cultural moments, such as early wrestling promotions, fan engagement at events like WrestleMania, and the evolving role of celebrities in the sport, with references to Pat McAfee and the nostalgia of the "attitude era."

Summary:

The conversation blends personal and professional reflections, centered on the narrator’s upbringing, family legacy, and deep connection to professional wrestling. The father, a non-union plumber, is portrayed as a humble yet influential figure whose life story—filled with wrestling passion and working-class values—resonates with authenticity, reminiscent of the narrative style in *Big Fish*. This emotional connection is mirrored in the narrator’s admiration for early wrestling culture, especially the energy of matches like WrestleMania, where moments of raw emotion and spectacle create a sense of suspension of disbelief.

The dialogue also explores personal habits, such as waking early and engaging in meaningful routines, and touches on the importance of authenticity in performance and storytelling. There’s a recurring theme of generational identity, where personal experiences—like growing up with a plumber father or being drawn into wrestling through family—shape one’s worldview. The discussion extends to modern wrestling dynamics, including celebrity appearances like Pat McAfee, the nostalgia of classic eras, and the impact of fan interaction.

Ultimately, the narrative emphasizes authenticity, passion, and the lasting influence of personal and familial history in shaping both identity and appreciation for the sport.

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The father was a non-union plumber who worked hard and lived a modest life, which inspired the speaker’s identity as a 'common man' in wrestling. His story reflects real-life struggles and pride, and the speaker sees it as a genuine, heartfelt narrative that aligns with the theme of authenticity in wrestling.

The speaker compares their father’s life story to the movie 'Big Fish' because it felt like a real, magical, and surreal experience—where many stories seemed exaggerated but were ultimately true. This moment of realization made them appreciate the authenticity of their father’s memories.

The speaker acknowledges their emotional intensity and deep passion for wrestling, which they take seriously despite the often-silly nature of the sport. Their dramatic expression reflects a genuine connection to the story and the emotional impact of matches.

The 'spring scene' refers to the act of pretending to be more working-class or poor in one's lifestyle or art, as a form of irony or satire. It’s used to highlight generational values and the contrast between appearance and reality.

The speaker finds early mornings meaningful and grounding, saying they enjoy the quiet time and the sense of being productive and focused. They describe it as a personal ritual that helps them stay disciplined and present.

The 'Suck it' move, a signature style in wrestling, likely originated from a combination of creative individuals like X-Pock or Sean Michaels, who popularized it. Over time, it became associated with a specific style, and the person who made it famous eventually gained credit for it.

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