Ep 54 - Neonatal Nutrition Support

Alright, Kiss Army. Welcome to the Kiss FAQ podcast. Thank you for giving us your time today and letting us into your head. I hope we don't do any damage. We're just a bunch of Kiss fans and we talk KISS. So come along for the ride and you've got nothing to lose. Alright, welcome to the Kiss FAQ podcast. I'm going to go and go. We've got Lonnie. We've got Ken. We've got Mark. Marcus Almighty here today. Thank you for joining us live. Stargazer, Kiss Vids, CNMAC. Good to see you, buddy. Super Zapper, Jeff Davidson, Kiss Rocks, who am I missing? Hopefully no one. But thank you for joining us live. And if you're joining us later, tune in with your comments or chime in with your comments as well. Where have you listened to the show? Use for the week. Let's get it over with merchandise drop. Jeff, I guess everyone saw that coming. And this time, at least the gender of the model was obvious to me. It was actually, it should have been obvious last time. So that's a ladies raglan on the top right there. Gene Jacket, as I mocked in my little monologue on the merchandise, will go well with your Fanny pack and your Pumas. And of course, the trash bag and the single with the Italian color. And as I moaned about, they should have done the misprint with beef. That would have been funny. I'm not a big fan of beef that cover. Thoughts on the merchandise, Lonnie, how much money did you throw at them? Zero. But. I do like the fact that you can buy the single just as the single. And you don't have to buy a package deal with it. But what's the deal with the trash bag? Beth Kis. Smash. It sounds like it sounds like a caveman. I'm kind of a Hulk. Grim. It's a Beth Hulk. It's a Beth Hulk. It's a big mask. Let's go for the man who often buys this stuff again. Who? Who? You know who? You know who? Why is it a Gene Jacket and it has Peter on it? I don't understand. Anyway. Oh my god, that's actually Woody. Hell areas. Ha ha ha. Well, you know, the single looks cool here, but I don't know if that color looks if that's, I'd be surprised if it looks that good because that looks pretty good right there actually. But I have the vinyl, you know, remember the vinyl box that came out some how many years ago now. And like 12. I have all that. And it might be the exact same. A plate or whatever you want to call it to press those. So I don't know. It doesn't make sense to get another one of those. I already have all those singles. So I'm done. Those for now. And I'm imminent anyway. And who knows? And I'm the rest of the year holds. Mark, you seldom purchase any of this crap. So your thoughts on this as an independent music provider who does, you know, have an interest in merch to go with your brand. What do you think of those items? Well, I'll echo Lonnie and the fact that it's great now to be able to buy these things individually and start having to be a lot of you get messages. I know. Sorry. Other than that, I mean none of them are of any real interest. It has the same bad, you know, Detroit rock city on their blah, blah. So I'm not really interested in that. I already have a 45 with those things on there anyways. But, you know, giving more options for people to buy. I mean, there's lots of people in the collecting circles that might find these things interesting. I know there's first of people money is no object. So maybe the gene jacket will be something that they like. Like you guys, I don't know what the deal is with that garbage can bag or whatever the hell that thing is. But, you know, it's not being bad. The word, the wording thing is a little odd because it does come across a very incredible Hulkish green. And he has that whole smash bit going on with his thing being a big and technical Hulk and myself. So, yeah, I mean, and it was Beth. I mean, the last thing I would feel when I hear Beth is smashing, I mean, that's that would go better with a hard rocking song, right? I mean, Beth, I think you're very smart. That's a bit of a grisbee. So the tote bag is based on this trade ad from September 4th, 1976, being a juncture with the release of the single. And they just are really like and slapped it on a tote bag. And you're in educate us. No, I haven't deleted the graphic yet. So it's still available. All right. So they finished the cycle celebrating the 50th. We hope they finished the cycle celebrating the 50th. Get to the next one. The destroyer. They've released four of these singles. Obviously Flaming Youth shouted out loud based on the Dutch cover. Flaming Youth was Yut's Yut's. What a man. Passion Yut's. The two Yut's was from the Japan sleep overlay and German destroyed rock city and Italian. Beth, I'm not a big fan how you've got Flaming Youth and Beth with the same design in essence. But I can't think of anything as an alternate. I can't remember if they ever even reissue the US picture sleep for that matter because I just don't pay attention to that stuff anymore. But out of all four of those is there one that you find particularly appealing as well well done. Mark, go back to you for a second. Well, I think logically I think the actual destroyer covers the one that works because it's promoting that cycle. I mean, I love the first album imagery, but it just gets confusing as you're thinking, well, why are they showing that? Or even the other one there, the, yeah, that sort of other first album imagery that one with the destroyed rock city yellow cover there. That's, I don't know. I think the best one that goes with it is the destroyer cover to be honest. Yeah, I mean, one's miss well, both of the other ones are mismatched with, yeah, those look like rayan shots, I think, on the destroyed rock city. And of course, just the album cover outtake can any of those catch your fancy as better as one that you say that's really cool. Not really. I mean, there was a good, I remember there was a shot it out loud just a number of years back single. Yeah, based on the Danish cover. Yeah, right. That was a good one. So I don't know, they're all okay. I don't have a favorite or anything release. All right, Lonnie. I guess it's the Beth one. The Beth one looks the best out of the four. I mean, but at the same time again, like none of us ordered any of them. It's not like I'm overly excited about. So the Beth one looks the best, but you know, I for the for the completionist and of the kiss fans that had to have them, you know, I'm sure they're great. All right. Can you drop the video this week another episode or an installment in your final minute series? Let me tell the people about that. Well, it's about the music from the elder vinyl and I pull out some of the copies I have going from the beginning to the most recent stuff and talk a little bit about that that album. So yeah, it's out there. It's about almost a half an hour long. So it's not miss. It's minutes. It's approaching hours, no, but yeah, it's it's out there if you want to see it. Yeah, so do you have a favorite pressing? I haven't listened to the episode yet because I'm like, well, but if you if you have a go to elder copy that when you're in that mood that you go for, what would it be? Right now, the the was it the clear one, the clear half speed mastered. It was it sounds really, really good. And it's the proper sequence or original. I don't know what you say proper, but the intended sequence of songs, the order. So I would say that one for now. What about the other guys? Mark, do you have a go to elder, either LP or some other format that when that mood for Ezra and Torcher takes you, you go for? Yes. And that happened so often. I think that for me, the pressing that I like is probably my US copy, my first US pressing, but I mean, I did listen to the clear one. I did get it recently as I showed you guys and can said I should definitely take a listen to it. And I did and it's really good. It's good. I think the problem, not the problem, but I think the reasoning why I picked the US one is because I'm just so used to listening to that particular one. I've had it for so long. And whenever I listen to it, I always listen to that one. So I'm so used to that one. It's not like a gigantic difference. Sonically, there's some things here and there where it's a little bit more, you know, fuller on the bottom end on the US one and the other ones a little, you know, more clear and shinier a bit more top end wise. But that's being nitpicky and, you know, the nose up audiophile kind of approach. So. Craig or Lonnie, do you have gas? Not currently, not currently, but I don't know, I go to the, that the 40th anniversary, you know, 2014 reprotsing is probably the one I reach for if I'm in the mood for the other. That are, that are my 97 remastered CD. I'm a big, you know, I still like, I still like CDs and those 97 remasters, they still sound good. They still hold up in my opinion, those CDs too. So what are those two if I'm in an elder mood? Yeah, that's an interesting thing that there's not really a whole lot in terms of sonics that wasn't covered in 1997 with that remaster. My listing copy still based on the Japanese 86 CD, which was a different master than the US ones. But in recent years, I did get a couple of in house cassettes of the mix. So it's nice just to be able to listen to a digital rip of that analog tape without the mastering that was then laid on top of it for the Japanese, it's identical to the Japanese release in terms of its sonic finger prints. But you know, that one gives me a little bit more flexibility for, I guess, maybe a true listen to the album. But to be perfectly honest, I won't listen to the elder in quite a bit. All right, time machine. Today's episode is the time machine. The idea behind this was just to spin the clock back 10 years and see what was going on in people's lives on the message board or to any point in time that they chose to spin that wheel back in time if they were able to get on the FAQ. Sorry Mark, technical issues this week. So you'll just have to hop in on the topics as they come along anyway, but you know what we're kiss podcasters. We can pontificate at the drop of a hack, can't we? Absolutely. One of the first things to go back to 2016 with was the Freedom to Rock Tour. And I asked everyone before we went on the air, I'm still going to ask you, you know, what did you recall about the Freedom of Rock Tour when they went out on the road with the Dead Days, these Caleb Johnson? What do I happen to him? Is he like, want to gram me yet or a platinum album? They were doing, you know, their basic set was Detroit, do shout out creatures. I love it loud, flaming youth. So flaming youth. Got a thunder, psychosoica, shock me, cold gym, look it up, war machine, love gun, black diamond, Beth and when they were north of the border, they were actually doing O Canada. I was made loving and rocking all night. So just a standard greatest hit set during that time. Anyone catch the tour or got any thoughts on Freedom to Rock, Lonnie, we'll get this over quickly. No, I missed the Freedom to Rock Tour. They did a lot of shows in the Midwest, but I was, I think I was generally surprised that they were touring in 2016. I think I kind of caught a lot of us off guard when they announced that tour. And I had, in 2016 was the GNR reunion and I had already dropped quite a bit of cash to see them multiple times because I'd waited so long for that tour. So I missed the Freedom to Rock Tour. It's one of the, they didn't come to St. Louis, proper. Had they come to St. Louis, I probably would have went, but it was a lot of smaller markets, like Springfield, Missouri Springfield, Illinois. Some other places are in and around the Midwest, but they didn't come here. I dropped a lot of my, this travel, the seed guns a couple times. So I, I didn't miss that one. Yeah, just in, I'm just looking at the stats from that tour. I was waiting for loving you there and needed the one time. Of course, the one date that I clicked on, but calling Dr. Love was a rare one on that tour. 100,000 years was an oddity when he cropped up twice, strutter three times. Do you love me 21 times? Can any memories of the Freedom to Rock? Well, I didn't see anything for that tour. I didn't see them. Did they come anywhere in there? I don't even remember them. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't even remember them coming in the area. So that's probably a good reason why I didn't go. I'm mercy in videos and things out there on YouTube. I remember the flag celebration and, you know, Gene had that axe base and flag. He was flagged on it too and stuff like that. I mean, I like the patriotic stuff part of it, which was cool. It wouldn't work better on an anniversary of like, like this year or something, but it's, you know, it was still cool. It was kind of tough to celebrate a tour that none of us went to. Mark? Well, I didn't go to it, but I do have a good memory based around it in the fact that if you remember when they did that very first podcasters convention in Nashville, that would be in Julian and Lonnie went to. Julian had brought with him a bunch of his books and he did this run of these individual chapters in these small books. And I remember I picked up the freedom to rock individual chapter and I thought it was really cool to have that. So that's my one fond memory of that actual tour is picking up that book and reading it in the hotel room and on the way back home. You know, because Julian always makes these excellent books. That's a good to read. And a small convenient sized one for that chapter was just what the doctor ordered for the flight home. Yeah, thanks, Mark. I don't have any of those myself anymore and I've done the completely different direction by doing huge books now focused to single tours. Boy, you know, I didn't get to see any of those shows either. I mean, my one memory of the freedom to rock tour is that's the year that KISS finally played Lake Minnetonka. Remember, they did that benefit show or something. It was a unmasked charity fundraiser in Minnesota, which again, that's really the only thing that they did. At the time, it was like, why are they not touring? Why are they really, you know, just focusing on these smaller runs? But one of the topics to pop up at that time was Paul's voice. And it was again, Paul's voice has been an issue on the FAQ for many years. But in 2016, one of the topics that popped up was Paul's voice, at least he's not doing this, Joe Elliott. And the poster goes on to say, I'm a big fan of Death Leopard, but it saddens me to see this. Leopard have always gone on about how they don't use backing tracks and concert, which is something I've always struggled to believe. I agree with that. Given how perfect their background is always sound. Now it appears that Joe is getting help with the lead vocals. The reason why I post this is there's obviously been a lot of talk about Paul's voice these days. People prefer if Paul sang with the backing tape or would people prefer to hear the real thing every night. Boy, this one has aged real good. This is going to be interesting. For me, the choice is obvious. Give me live all the way. If I want to perfection, I would go listen to the studio recordings and forget live performances altogether. Wow. We're going to open up that can again. Going back to Joe Elliott. I don't know if any of you have seen Joe Elliott in concert. When I saw AT&T Stadium, I was immediately struck by there's tape, there's backing tracks, there's samples, all these additional tricks to take the weight off the lead singer's symbol, which are valid because KISS obviously used triggers and samples in the 80s to fill those gaps. But there was something about it that didn't feel right. Now since then, Joe has adjusted his vocal style because he still has the capability of adjusting Paul had physical damage, I think. That's topic, Lonnie. How do you take that ten years later after what we know now with what we know, what we thought then? You know, that's a real interesting discussion. I've seen Deaf Lepre two and I originally knew it and sometimes it sounds too perfect. You know what I mean? But, you know, and then KISS sounds like the way they did in 16 and then we get KISS the way they sounded in 19 when they did the end of the road. I think it's a show in itself talking about backing tracks, but I think that, you know, it's a double-edged sword with it, I guess. You know, and you know, part of it says, you know what, I'm going to a concert I want to see the live show, you know, regardless of what it sounds like. But at the same time, there is Yari Minne. We talked about it a lot. during the end of the road tour that, well, it doesn't make the concert experience better that you're not like, "Ooh, it's something a different part of the show." So, you know, there are arguments for both sides. And part of me is kind of like, you know what, I'm glad I didn't have too many just cringe moments. The last time I saw Kiss that, that that, you know, isn't like, stapled in my brain as a memory. So, you know, there's two sides of it for sure. Yeah, Mark, looking at that topic, how's the take now? Well, I mean, having had 10 years to go through these things and just experience music in general over the 10 years, I mean, I'm gonna go out and say it. I mean, this stuff has been going on probably a lot longer than we probably have even been aware of. I mean, a great example of this is I saw Deaf Leopard a few times, like, hysteria tour and adrenaline and stuff like that. I've seen a few shows here and there. I always thought that they're backing vocals for the most part were all on tape when they did their live show, especially sounds like, you know, when you hear, like, "Die hard, the hunter," like that whole "Die hard," and all that stuff. It just sounded so fantastic. I was like, "Wow, this is like, you know, even the coursing effects were on there and everything." So, but the thing is I also know a guy who's a real speaking of Die Hard, Die Hard collecting fan of Deaf Leopard stuff. And he had a real nice recording of the Pyramania tour when they were doing some club dates in the UK back in the days and those backing vocals were pretty horrendous, like when they were singing. And you can tell there was no tapes on that stuff and, you know, that brings up Lonnie's point. Do you want to go through a whole show going, "Oh, wow, oh god, that was bad." Or would you rather, you know, go through it and enjoy the whole experience overall. Now, you know, I look at it from this perspective. Kisperl for a lot of the tours, and we brought this up a few times, had a lot of walk-up business for some of these tours. You know, they would sell X amount at a time and then there'd be a lot of general public that, "Oh, I'm going to go see Kis tonight. Why not?" I really don't think those people even gave a shit if there was backing tapes or even would be aware of how the difference between backing tapes and a live concert sounded. So I think for that situation, Kisperl probably wise to use the backing tapes because those people probably walked out and said, "Oh, it was a good show. I enjoyed myself. Whereas us nitpickers who are much more aware of it will probably make up like 30% of the audience. Probably we're saying, "Oh, I don't know. That's Tay-Fi. That doesn't sound right to me." You blah, blah, blah. So I think overall Joe was smart. He fixed up his singing so that he can do it more live and stuff like that. I still think he was backing tapes for their backing vocals still regardless. But I think Joe's vocals overall, they're not how they were in the younger days, but they're still list nibbled. To me, they're not really that cringe-worthy to his moments, of course, but I think it's smart that he changed it up. And you know, I think when it comes to it, it's a business. You know, you want people to come back. You want to make money doing this tour. If word spreads that it sounds like horse shit, you're not going to have people go into this show. So there you go. Show business. Yeah. Ken. Yeah, back in 2016. I mean, his voice had been going since the, you know, the four sonic boom came out. And it was, wasn't doing too well. It was passable up to 2016. But 2018, I think towards the end of those tours, those shows or whenever they were touring, I think it was 2018. Anyway, Paul was, it sounded really, really, I mean, it was bad to where we were on an episode and I said, there's no way, there's no way they can do another tour after that, you know, with Paul's voice like that. Just, I said, it won't work. You know, they're going to talk to, we talked about them, you know, doing the kind of end of the road. We didn't know the, we didn't have the announcement yet on end of the road. But I said, there's no way they're going to, you know, they can't do it with his voice in that shape. It's just not going to work. And then turned out they announced the tour, the end of the road. And yet, then we know everyone noticed that, oh, his voice is better all of a sudden. And then people started fighting videos of him singing. And he was, you know, off mic and he's singing. It's like, here is, oh wow, how did that happen? You know, so we knew all the events was there. People didn't want to believe it. But that's the way it is. And kind of with, like Mark said, there's a lot of people that just wanted to see Kiss. They, they're not a Kiss fan. They don't know if his voice was going or anything. They didn't even know there was backing tracks during the end of the road had no idea. I mean, it worked out well. It's still an enjoyable show, whether he's saying with his own voice, backing track or whatever. I don't know. He might have done that. He probably did. But it worked. It did work. I mean, it worked enough for me to go see them three times on the end of the road. So I had, and I had a great time. So, yeah. And I mean, come on, I can't throw any stones in that glass house, you know, for how many times I saw them on the end of the road and how much travel I did to see them as well. I mean, it wasn't like one of those crazy Scandinavians who did, you know, 30 shows on the tour, who seem to pop up in every city. But I did a fair amount of travel, both coast and Canada for I think going back to 2016, it was always like, you, we knew that his voice was declining. 2012, it was obvious 2006. It was clear for me on the live to win tour that I saw the film or that he was cracking. And it, it's hard to go back in time and wonder what, you know, what I was actually thinking, you know, because again, we knew from Gary Corbett that tapes had been used and were triggered to help batten the sound. But it was more about fattening the sound and filling a void rather than band-aiding the lead singers broken instruments, which are a couple of completely different paradigms. I think we overall, kiss fans became very accepting in that they wanted to experience the show and continue to experience the show. And they were going to have a high level of tolerance, particularly with some of the tricks that were pulled during end of the road, right down to pure memorax because there were definitely areas where he was off mic, not as bad as Vince Neal. But, you know, Vince Neal's a special case where you don't know which, which section of lyrics he's actually going to be miming because he only sings about a third of a song if you're lucky. So it was a very weird thing. But again, we had another seven years of it after the fact. I skipped the deaf leopard and and kissed tour because I didn't want to see my two favorite bands. Really? Like that. You didn't go to that? I did not go to that. I did not want to hear Joe. I didn't want shortened sets from either of those bands either. Yeah. Because while it had been tolerable for Erasmith, I mean my number two, you know, in some ways. So it was weird looking back at it. Where is he? We actually have a topic from this guy I dragged up from 2016 as well. Let's jump into that one before I forget or he leaves. So his topic, where's Drago, was the oath-free appearing as exciter. Let's read this one back. This is from August the 5th, 2016, and nearly exactly 10 years ago, considering it was the album that all but ended their run-and-make-up and signaled the death of kiss in any way a commercial entity they'd become used to. And considering, looking up was potentially going to be their comeback album, it was a headstrapcher that they chose to use the same basic riff from the oath to kick off that new album. Or perhaps it simply shows the potential the elder period actually did have if they hadn't muddied the waters with the concept. Mark, get us started on that. Exciter reimagining the oath. Was it attempt to rehabilitate the elder or what? Wow, I mean, I kind of find out a little bit of a stretch, although I love Drago. He's a good guy. He's an important member of the project, Gemini Family. But you know, when I think of the oath, I don't, the exciter doesn't immediately come to mind. Maybe it's just because when I think exciter, I think of that huge flanging effect that do do do do do do do when he's playing that opening riff, I just think of that. Whereas I think when I hear the oath, it's more of a metalish riff, and then, and then, then, then, then, then, then. So to me it's a little bit different, I can maybe understand that he could think that maybe that riff from the oath might have inspired the writing of that song. That I can maybe see, that maybe that would have triggered him. Maybe he was just playing it, and then all of a sudden, him just jamming on that song, spark the idea of the exciter. That I can see, you know, that happens a lot of times that band members, and, you know, they're playing a song by, let's say, whatever, free or somebody, and then, all of a sudden, that riff they're playing morphs into something else that they have, that becomes a single or an original song of their own. So I could see that happening, but a direct comparison to it, I don't really hear it that closely. - Yeah, Lonnie. - Yeah, I'm kind of with Mark. I really don't hear it that closely, you know, I think they, you know, maybe, but I understand maybe where he's coming from, that, you know, they had a good riff and a good rock song with the oath, and, you know, it kind of got lost on an album that didn't do well, and people badmouthed, and maybe people saw badmouthed this day. I think it's a hidden rocking song on that album. So I don't hear a whole lot of comparisons with Exciter. I mean, two songs that like are kicking the ass to start an album, but it was because the oath was, you know, originally the first track on the, on the elder, but I can see the comparisons in that, but I don't hear a whole lot of comparisons, really in the riff, but, you know, but it, but it, but it is a good comparison, though, is a, a, a, a really kicking the punch in the face type, saw on, but to start an album, but I don't, I don't necessarily hear the comparisons between the two. - Okay. - Yeah, I mean, I can, I can understand the little comparisons to me, of those, the similarities, but they are, I, I don't go out and say, oh, that one sounds like that, at all, really. There are little bits of similarities in there. You know, the oath has some riffing, and then it has a galloping kind of, you know, a bit, you know, to it, where Exciter doesn't have that in it. So, but both, both great songs, you know, both just great songs. I, you know, I don't know, Devin saying, you know, was it Exciter kind of saying that, yeah, you could go back and, you know, the, oh, there was, is that good, you know, and it's good, it is good. I like it, but it's not all rocking, you know, like, look it up as an album. Well, in honor of Ken Rex is both a, but great song. So, I guess it's a tie. You took the word I was thinking to describe the similarities between them. The only similarities that is got the galloping section, and it's weird to use the word galloping, I think, a Steve Harris in his baselines. But it's got that galloping part, and that's it. That's the only connection that I make between the two. Both of them are fantastic songs, which one sets the tone better? Probably Exciter in that the album lives up to the tone that it sets, rather than the elder, which in the jumbled order that was released. It's kind of, well, it's more like being dragged over speed bumps in the garbage can. Because there are high points, like, under the rows and dark lines, and, and smooth parts, like all a word without heroes, and only you. But it's very uneven, shall we say, in terms of its tone and pacing, unlike "Lick it Up," which is they stick their foot on the floor, and off they go. And then you get to the end of the album. So, I'll, I'll take Exciter in that context, but I will never forget the importance of the oath to me, with that first single, my first collectible, and all that. Where's Drego? You only had one rate, one response to that post back in 2016. So, you've had a bunch more. So, thank you for the effort. I'm not randomly popped up. It was finally going to it. Oh, let's go to a double dynasty topic from 2016, and everyone, no cringing. But he posted a poll. So, the last kiss or rock the nation. So, two videos, one's originals and one's not. Which one of those videos do you find better and why, Lonnie? Rock the nation. What was the other one? I'm sorry. The last kiss. The last kiss. Well, rock the nation is good, and I enjoy the different set lists from rock the nation. I'm going with the last kiss. I think that show, feature in the original four, is really good. And it's something I'll go back and listen to more frequently than I do a lot of other things. I think the band released, I mean, as much as the farewell tour kind of gets people kind of say, oh, they were, you know, the band was falling apart during the farewell tour, and they didn't sound as good as they did in the reunion tour. I think that show from the farewell tour is very good. They're very good representation of that original reunited lineup. I think I enjoyed that more. And I guess maybe because I have a softer spot for the original four, too. The rock the nation's good, though, don't get me wrong. I think the band sounded really good on that tour. And, you know, they were re-energized with Tommy and Eric in the band. But for me, it's the last kiss. I'm going with that with Aison Peter. Nice. Mark, what about you? Well, I think I'm going to go with rock the nation. Mainly because I saw a lot of shows during the original reunion run. Like I saw them when they did the first run. Then I saw the lost city's tour. And then I saw, I think another one as well. I don't remember where it was, but I didn't get to see the actual fair, well, fair, well tour stuff. Because at that point, I had kind of just, those couple of shows left a bad taste in my mouth because they were getting really sloppy. It just wasn't something that was catching my attention as much as when they first came back. Like when they did that first show in Toronto when they first did the reunion, I thought it was fantastic. They played really well. Was it perfect? No, probably not perfect, but it had a real good vibe to it. The energy in the air was really good. It was really exciting. Then into the lost cities. And it already was starting to show signs of stuff happening. I told that story a thousand times where that was the show where Aison fell over on stage and Jean was so fed up with them already. He signaled the road to not even bother to pick them up. Just left them there until the end of the song. And you could already feel the stress in the air already. I didn't bother going to that show. And I'd seen a bunch of clips from not two. And it wasn't too good. But I thought the rock to Nation tour was really good. I mean, Lonnie brought up that he had some interesting songs brought up on that set list too. So that kind of made it a bit more interesting for me. Like they were playing material that it wasn't played a hundred thousand times already. And I'm a big fan of Eric Singer on drums for the band. So that was a big thing as well. And I never had an issue with the air on guitar. So I just kind of clicked in more with that era of the band a lot more than the outgoing air well tour. Ken. For me, they each have their own good stuff. It's a tie. It's a tie. Yeah, it's a tie. It is a tie, but appropriately. But I just want to mention there is a video that came out. And I don't know how important to the people. But the fair roll tour that came out some it was published just days ago or a lot of that many days ago of the fair roll tour in Concord, California. And it's really good. It's well done. The guy had video, they put the videos together and they matched up to the really good record. I don't know if it's a soundboard or what, but it's a really, really great recording of the audio from that. And it's very enjoyable. And you can see on that and I was at that show, by the way. But they were having a great time. You can see they were all in good spirits and they played well. It was one of the better shows from that tour. They were on it. No, Jean did, I think, full of the lyrics too, let me go rock 'n' roll. - I remember some of them. - Jean is Jean, he does that a bit, which is fine. It's kind of funny, he's looking over at Paul, he's singing the cameras on it, and he's like kind of mumbling it. Paul is singing it, and he looks over it over then he gets back in, in line. And gets lyrics right finally. So yeah, but it was really, really good. It's out there on YouTube. - Yeah, we probably blinked. - Concord 2000 live, kiss. I don't know what the actual title is. - Yeah, it's in the comments. - Okay, Julian put a link, but it's a really enjoyable show, so check it out. - Yeah, so two things on this. Number one, to a certain extent, I agree with Mark about rock the nation and the reinvigoration of the band and the opening up of the set list, which they certainly did on the rock the nation tour. And we've waxed poetic about that numerous times. My problem is that it's unwatchable with the editing, and that's my criticism of, of rock the nation and why you could never select that, is simply because it's absolute seizure inducing crap. So, yeah, again, I wouldn't mind if that was really. - Yeah, exactly. That's the same problems and the same person to blame for them. So the pay-per-view, there's a couple of different versions of it from raw to the one that was on Kisology. I actually find enjoyable for the shows that I saw on that reunion farewell were perfectly fine. And again, some of them I was blinded by backstage and others I was blinded by front row, and that does change your perception of the memory of the event that you remember more that it was great because you were front row or that you were backstage watching Gene walk around with a bowl of dessert, eating it without a spoon, shit like that. So it colors your opinion somewhat. But the pay-per-view, I've actually gone back and watched in recent months. And I don't have a problem with it. So I'll pick that one, but I'll also check out that video, 'cause I wanna see how it, one of one out sounds and how it jogs memories, perhaps. So we've got one more, excuse me, one more topic from the time machine in 2016. And this one is very much timely. Kist destroys anaheim, reissue campaign anybody. This moon like has been circulating for years in various levels of quality. I've never bought one because I never knew exactly what I was gonna get for my money. Could be tapist from a third generation copy or an incomplete set list or whatever. My point is that you never know what you're getting with these releases. At the same time, some of the same said bootlakes have some pretty awesome covers and packaging. Why hasn't Kist done an archival release series? Would you buy them? Could they do it well? My thoughts said it would be awesome. They did a great job with Resurrected. It had a great vintage vibe and all of the new contents fit with the old packaging of the original vinyl. I'd love to see it. What do you think, Mark? Well, obviously they've done a good job with it to some degree with the whole archive series. I mean, I have that show too and a few incarnations and boys and enjoyed it. I'm glad that they're doing it though. I mean, I think really it's probably one or the more historically important there I say concerts that they did. And I think they performed well. I think it was a good idea. And I am glad that they did that because there is a lot of stuff in the archives that needs to be properly fixed up and put out for us die hard fans to enjoy in as much professional quality as possible. And nowadays with the technology that we have, it can be done pretty well to make it look very well done. Almost there I say make it look like it was done yesterday. So the quality is pretty good now with the technology. So I'm happy that they do it. And it is interesting hearing that kind of a comment from like 10 years ago, not having done anything really at that point to what we have now. So yeah, I think it's a good idea. I think they've done pretty well so far. And I am actually for the first time in a long time, actually looking forward to getting something from Kiss in the Mail. So I can't wait till we get this. Yeah, very, that was more the more of the point. I'm glad you covered it at the end because it's like how are they doing with that hope from 2016 expressed by that poster, who was Peter Christmas. Did I ban him? I can't remember. There's a good chance. We've had that run of off the sound boards, which again, don't assuage all of those criticisms about not knowing what you're gonna get in terms of his and edits. Again, that was a problem on the, oh wait, no, they didn't really set one. Sorry. Lonnie, your thoughts on that? You know, I think, you know, it's exciting that we're gonna get a, you know, an official Anaheim release. And, you know, we talked about that and it is really exciting. It's something that I think we're all looking forward to. You know, at the same time, and Julian mentioned the off the sound boards. I think they've done a decent job of releasing some of these archives. I think that it could have been better. I think, you know, people were, you know, disappointed with some of this original packaging and this and that. But, you know, if moving forward, if this Anaheim show really does better than some of the off the sound boards, you know, maybe I think off the sound boards continue in a different vein and they don't call it off the sound boards anymore. And we get more, we get more releases in the vein of the Anaheim show. And that might make, you know, the kids fans happier. And maybe, and maybe we're, I know it's funny. But, but maybe, but maybe we get more staple shows like this Anaheim show. Like, you know, we've been getting some, oh, well, this Pekupsy show is cool because Mark St. John is on here, you know, and it's kind of just a rare lineup, type thing. But maybe we get, you know, and maybe, maybe shows like that continue. But maybe we get more of these like landmark type shows. Maybe we get a Tiger Stadium like this one day. Maybe we get a, you know, I don't know, maybe, some kind of Houston 77 treatment of this, you know, maybe next year, I don't know, I'm just, I'm just a little one. But it's exciting, a palladium 80, for sure. So, you know, some landmark type shows. So maybe, maybe that's in the works if this Anaheim does well. So, you know, I think they, they, they, their archives are so deep that there's a lot that they can do. And I, I just hope it continues. - Yeah, I want to piggyback on Lonnie's comments there. I mean, looking back at that hope expressed, you know, we've had a good run of off the soundboard. So I think that's checked the box of, yes, finally, an official life bootleg series. Anaheim, though, is the big boy in that they're going into multi tracks. They're, you know, Gina Paula going to be on the, on the mound throwing out the first pitch at the LA Angels game on the 15th. There's, they're putting a lot of effort into tying in with this product. And yes, we know that it's going to be available, all sorts of places other than kiss online, exclusive and bundles. There's all different sorts of formats. They really seem to have committed seriously to a product and to an archival release that has meaning. Not only is it a legendary, and that's a very overused word, bootleg in Destroy's Anaheim, kind of the point of going back to that 2016 topic. But now they're putting where their money, where their mouth is, paying Eddie Kramer to do the work. They put money into doing artwork and a book, different packaging options. They're promoting it. Gina Paul magically are throwing out a pitch. That shit don't happen unless someone makes enough or does someone makes a call. So they really seem to be coordinating. They've released two singles digitally for people to listen to it without having to pay. And no bitching about streaming only or not streaming. So I think they've really hit a mark with Anaheim in particular. Now go back to 2016 and thinking about the kind of releases that that post suggested how many boxes have we had in that time now as well? Destroyer creatures, dressed to kill and alive. I would say that they're making very, very good progress and finally getting into the vault and organizing the very best of the material. We're not at the bottom of the barrel yet. So keep it coming is what I say. Ken. Yeah, I think they're going to probably still do off the sound boards because they are out there but I like their focus. on the, for instance, the Anaheim, since there's a multi-track and the rumor is that there are other multi-track concerts recorded out there, still out there that they have. So I think we're going to see more multi-track, especially if this does well, which I think it will. We'll have more multi-track recordings, maybe something like the Japan 77 and stuff like that. And that may be part of a live too. I don't know. We'll see what happens next year, right? Could that be next year? So I'm looking forward to that, see what happens. So yeah, if they keep going like this, I think there's going to be a lot of cool stuff coming. The other thing is I'm hoping, you call me optimistic again. There it comes. There it comes. I'm hoping like what they that they release, you know how Andrew did the video and it's all nice and cleaned up for part of the Anaheim show, the advertisement for the new recordings. I hope he did a whole thing, the whole thing, synced it up, did all that stuff, made it nice, looked nice, and that they release it on Kiss Online on the day that the concert actually happened the anniversary day, which is what the 20th or something there. I want to say it's the 20th, but of August and release it that way for the fans. Maybe not as I don't know if they can release a product or something, but to me, they should definitely do it if it's halfway decent, just put it out there, all synced up and nice. I think that'd be a good selling point too, or an advertisement for the vinyl and CD and all that stuff. I'm just hoping they do that. I think it just to me it makes sense something to do. If it was me, if I was Pop House universe, all that, I would do that on that anniversary date. That's me, but we probably won't, but I'm just hoping. Ken for president. I mean, the best part about all this is that we get to celebrate what we believe they're doing right instead of criticizing them for what we feel they're doing wrong. And it's refreshing to finally get to that point. It may not last, but at least for this moment, it's absolutely fantastic. Let's go into one of the other, well, these are some more recent topics, but current ones that I just want to spend a couple of minutes on just for Lonnie, because what if Paul Stanley ended up producing guns and roses appetite for destruction? What do you think would have happened, Lonnie? I think we would not have appetite as we know it. I think we would have had something much more in the vein of crazy nights, something much more in the vein of poison, sounding mid 80s type sound. I think that's what we would have really gotten. It wouldn't have been as raw or as bluesy or you know, just a return of straight up rock and kind of a left turn away from the hair metal that was really popular. Paul, like Paul, and kiss like the chase trends, and I think that we would have really merged into the trend at the time, and it wouldn't be the standout record that it is. Guy, I don't think Paul could possibly produce something that he has no concept of. He's so disassociated from that scene of number one drugs. Number two, that music. He'd never been a part of any of that. So I don't think he would have done them justice, but I also, Mr. Brownstone, I mean, can you imagine him in his shining armor, saying Mr. Brownstone with keyboards in the background or some bullshit? Yeah. Again, Paul's a great producer, and I like a lot of the stuff that he's done, but wrong band, wrong person, wrong combination mark. Yeah, I agree totally. I mean, just reading slashes, book and stuff like that about what happened during that brief period. How they agreed to go through with using Paul, I think what would have ended up happening, and I'm pretty sure confident. I think Lonnie will probably agree with this too, is they probably would have started with it, and about a quarterway through these probably just where we said we can't work with this guy, and they probably would have just abandoned it and started it again, because it seemed like they had a lot of issues that correct me, please Lonnie, if I'm incorrect with any of this, that wasn't it true that they did pick out several different people. Some of them were started with some of them. They just didn't like, you know, and also like that happened with the mixing too, I believe, they went through a bunch of different people that they didn't like, and then they finally agreed on build price, I believe was the person, right? Yeah, it's one of the reasons why it took so long to come out. Yeah, they did mix it, was it Mike Link? Mike Link produced I think the record. Produced it. Yeah, and Bill Price, who did the sex pistol, and that did the mixing of the final record. So that was a big thing, and I think that actually helped the sound was getting him involved with them, right? So, but yeah, I can't see Paul, you know, like you said Julian, it's just not his world. This is much more sleazy or grungy, or it's like a 20 year old version of the Rolling Stones kind of thing, you know, and I just don't think that he would have clicked in with that. Yeah, he was never like, he was never a Rolling Stone. Ken. Yeah, it wouldn't have worked. I mean, I can't see that, I mean, even the kiss, some of the kiss stuff that he's been part of producing, it's not the best produced stuff. I think his best performance producing was animal eyes, and that's it really. A silent. I think it's, you know, I like the sound of a style. I like the sound of animal eyes better than a silent. Something about a silent production wise, I don't like. But anyway, I mean, it's not horrible, but not monster or something. Yeah, I don't think that he would have been the right guy, obviously, and they made the right choice of what they did. All right, there we are. That's enough topics from the time machine for this week. Next week, we've got a real topic, by the way, and everyone's going to have to do some preparation, or they're going to need some preparation, each after doing that preparation, because you can have to tune in and see what next week's topic is, is it induce itch? Oh boy. Oh, yeah, oh boy, that's the operative. But for now, I want to thank everyone who's taking the time to chime in with the comments during this episode. 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