EP#40- The Wellness in Giving with Surayah Ryha, Co-Founder of Project Child Indonesia

(gentle music) - You can only give if you feel like you have something. So it always have to start within you, right? You feel like you are enough. - Welcome back to another episode of Everyday in Dorfens. You just heard from Saraya Rihah. Saraya, who also goes by Ia, is the founder of Project Child Indonesia, a community-based nonprofit that works to alleviate poverty in the coastal and riverside communities of Indonesia. Their vision is for every child in Indonesia to have the opportunity to learn, to have a healthy life, and to feel supported and secure in a clean living environment that is prepared for natural disasters. Ia and I met in Bali, where we were both completing the Yoga Teacher Training course this past summer. And we quickly became very close friends, and as I got to know her better over the course of those two months, I was able to discover her passions beyond yoga and all the incredible work she's done, creating her own nonprofit, working as an entrepreneur, and learning from her life wisdom. Ia is one of the kindest and most open-hearted people that I've met ever, and she automatically took me under her wing in Bali. During the program and after, when I was hanging out and just relaxing in Changgu, she made me feel at home, and she also acted as almost like a mentor figure for me. As I had just graduated college, had a lot of time on my hands doing fun things, and then was about to enter a corporate world and start my first job. And also, Ia growing up in Indonesia had a very different lifestyle than myself growing up in New York City. So it was really amazing to hear about the differences and similarities in our childhoods across separate parts of the world. But in this episode, Ia and I really focus on the wellness and giving, so the benefits that are derived from cultivating a giving mindset and giving back to other people, which is what she's focused her whole life on doing. I don't want to give too much away in this episode, so without further ado, let's get into it. But before we dive right in, I have a brief message from my sponsor, Anchor. Hi, Ia. Thank you so much for coming on to the podcast. You have a podcast, boys. Thank you. I've heard that a lot actually as I've taught my yoga classes in the teacher training, but welcome. Thank you for having me, Stella. It's a pleasure. It's also really funny being in a more professional setting as I've gotten to know you in such a fun, casual and friendly way over the past almost month and a half now. The theme of this episode is about volunteering, giving back and the wellness that comes with giving back to your community. And you shared this amazing quote with me in passing in a conversation a few weeks ago, saying with every opportunity we have the responsibility to give back. I think that's beautiful. Thank you. I really, really think that is a powerful sentence for me. Like every time I hear it or I hear me talking about it, it reminds me again why I do this work. I feel like very privileged. Like, I mean, don't get me wrong. I grew up in a remote island in the middle of nowhere. At that time, we didn't even have a library. And I love reading. So it wasn't much for me there. But I feel very, very privileged. With my parents, they're very supportive. They're always bringing me books. To read. That's good. They'd go out of their way to find some books for me to read. So yeah, with all of that opportunity that has been given to me, I always feel that not just a passion, but an urge to give back. So let's talk about where you grew up being on this remote island in the middle of Indonesia and how your childhood was a very formative experience for you developing these passions around education and community service and humanitarian work. I grew up in a little island, right? It's like a beautiful postcard beach, like white sandy palm trees, water like crystal clear. So I spent a lot of time connecting with nature. My parents, they love reading. So we grew up having a lot of books, music, good food at home. The place is far. So I remember it took us three days on a boat to get to the capital of Indonesia, Jakarta. That's how far it is. On a boat? On a boat. At that time, my childhood, there was no island in the island. So yeah, we often get blackouts because there is not enough power for the island. Lucky enough, we didn't have much of TV time. So I spent a lot of time outdoors, just like swimming, free diving with my cousins, like checking out the fishes. Really being connected to nature. Really that was your childhood? Yeah, really being connected to nature. And my parents, they are very social. I think they are personalities, but also their job. I grew up with my dad like being a politician in my little town. And he always has people come over. And it is his passion to serve the community. So he's taking education and public health very seriously. I often hear this type of dinner talk between him and my mom and me and my sister just caught up in an adult conversation, which wasn't boring for me. This is the first time I realize, like, yeah, these topics, they are not just interesting. They are important to talk about. Absolutely. And this is kind of what informed your passion for the education sector in particular. And when you went to university, you studied regional development, also community development. Can you talk a little bit more about your studies and then how that transitioned into you founding your nonprofit, Project Child Indonesia? With that type of dinner talk all the time, right? We hear about the political issues, economy, and social disparities at home. And my passion, like, connecting with nature. I thought it would be really nice to study both. And that led me to choose this. I had an opportunity, like, scholarship to go to one of the best universities in Indonesia. And I thought, okay, I'm just going to learn sustainability and development to combine both side of the physical environments and economy. So that's what I studied. And during my study, I found out, obviously, that I really love studying about the coastal area, the ocean and the beach. And it's people, the economy that grows around that place, how people really live their life. It's shocking for me to realize a lot of poverty happen along the beach in Indonesia. I mean, this country has the second longest coastal line in the world after Canada. We're basically just like coastels everywhere. And in that area, a lot of fucking land, like government on, or just fucking. So it attracts a lot of people who don't have access to land. They build illegal housing and create slums around in the coastal area. In the coastal area. So it attracts a lot of poverty. Later on, I realized it's not only on the beach, but also on the river banks, because that's also like a fucking land. So all of this fucking land then become very attractive for the disadvantaged community to come and try to build life there to have a little bit sense of stability and home. I remember I started being very interested in this particular community, the sea people of the cause of the war in Indonesia, in Wakatobi Island. So they are the last living synomads. - Synomads, that's what they're called. - Yeah, like the Bajo community. So the generation before now, they were still like sailing and having like really no roots anywhere. Like they're both, is their home. - Wow. - And synomads. I've never heard that term before. - Yeah. - Grandparents or synomads. And like right now, they are landed. Not really. Like I mean, they built like communities like houses just off the coast, like on top of the water, like still the house. - But like right on top of the water. - Right on top of the water. - And they live there, you know? And of course, like there's very little, access to electricity, almost no access to healthcare, fair little access to education, live mainly from nature, like the whole economy built on their ability to get something out of nature and sell it. And I thought like people who live in the area with very rich natural resources, sometimes also the poorest. And I wonder why. Looking deeper into it, we realize, right? It's our economy system, not created so equally. So the way we do our economy create a lot of disparity. That's what happened, that's what I see. I was like in research with this community, I met the children playing with them. And I thought maybe I do something, give back, because they are giving me a lot of material for my research. And they've welcomed me to their home, with their very limited water resources. They share it with me. And this is when you were doing your masters, right? You were doing your thesis. I'm a bachelor thesis. You're a bachelor thesis before you got your masters to create. Before, before. But I continue my research there as well. So I was really hooked in this community. So I went back to the library. There is a little island there, like half an hour paddle from the community. And there is a library by a sex university, London. So they built a research center because they realized how rich this area, like every other week, they would find new species, for example. That's how crazy bridge the nature is. So bio-diverse. So bio-diverse. It's like a hotspot for biodiversity, facing a lot of stress because people who live there would have to take something out of the ocean to make a living, you know? I grabbed this book, like Fish Atlas. It contains like thousands of different fishes. They're names, like in their local names, they're English names. So you're a fish connoisseur now. Yeah, yeah. I thought I'd took this book and show it to the children as part of me giving back to the community probably talking to the children, educating them about the species. Little did I know I am being educated by them. So I opened the book and I was just like, "Oh, do you know this fish?" And they start shouting local names for all the fishes. And we're talking like five, six years old. They understand so much of nature. They live so closely with nature. They could name like most of the fish. I was impressed. I was just like, wow. It's very exciting for me. And I realized, I love this type of job. I love seeing like children's curiosity. I'm a very curious person. So I always see myself in them. So things like this, I realized at that time as well, like how hard it is to live in poverty and to have the pressure to save the environment. At that time, WWF World Wild Funds has had a program to conserve the Mangroof around the area. I mean, we all understand how important Mangroof ecosystem is for spawning. They always call it like house for the fishes. So I don't think I make babies. And we're going to have more fishes. Like all the marine creatures. And these people living on the ocean floor, on top of the oceans, have no access to drinking water. So for them to be able to have drinking water, they would have to boil the water that they took from the main land. And the only way to boil it is to light up a fire. And the only wood they could access is the Mangroof. So they start chopping down the Mangroof to really just boil water for drinking. And I'm asking myself, so what is more important? Do we save the Mangroof and these people not drinking? Or do we let them have their drinking water and not having the Mangroof as the last protection of our ocean? - It's a hard dilemma to face. - It is a hard dilemma. I mean, I had the privilege to sit down and thinking about this dilemma. I had the privilege of time. I had the opportunity to see like, okay, it doesn't have to be that extreme. Either we choose the Mangroof or we choose your drinking water. We can incorporate some basic simple technology. And I could only come up to that conclusion because I had the luxury of time to think about it. And if you look at this community, that day in, day out, like working, spending a lot of energy, a lot of time in the ocean, it took them like four hours just to get fresh water back to their home. And to realize that they don't have the time to think of all of this solution that is probably available out there. And it gives me this sense of that, if you are the one who sit down, able to think of things, have the luxury of time, it is your responsibility really to serve, to bring that idea to the community and see what they think about it. What an invaluable experience, really. I mean, to spend-- It's life-time, too. It must be, to spend that much time there and to be really present with the people of that land and the Ceno-Mads and really see the extreme poverty that they're facing and the hardships that they deal with day to day, things that we just naturally take for granted because of our more developed society that we live in. And I think it's amazing that you do that work. And I think this is kind of where Project Child comes into play. That's right. That's right. After that, I went back to Yogyakarta. Yogyakarta is a student city in Indonesia. It's a hub for a lot of people with ideas. It's very-- it's like melting pot. It's also a heart of art in Indonesia. A lot of students, a lot of mind of people. And I started talking to friends. Look, we're university students. So we have something to give back. How can we give back? So that's the beginning of the project. Like just like friends talking to each other. Like, how do we make use of our time? And you were so young. You were a university student. So you've been doing this for quite some time. You founded the program in 2011. Right. I founded the organization in 2011. But the seed of that project started in 2007. We were already group of people who would go on the street and talking to people who live on the street. If we can sit together with the children, helping them out, reading, or simple math, basic math. Yeah. So we were doing that. But it was unstructured. It was like, you know, like the term voluntarily is like, you give what you have, right? And sometimes you think, I don't have much to give. Like, when life, like, start catching up with you. And you always feel like, I am behind everything, behind my schedule. Sometimes you feel like you're lacking everything. So there is not much to give. So that was the beginning of this project. And I realized if we really want to create change, if we want to be impactful, we get a have to have a structure. So we got to have to have that commitment to say like, I am giving this proportion of my time, my energy, and my creativity, my heart, to this project. Like, and into 2011, after finishing my Master degree, I thought, like, there's no better time to give back. I get another scholarship for my Master degree. So I thought, like, I've been so blessed with everything. They sent me to Japan, get this double degree Master program. You've been everywhere, you know, continuing your education. Coming from a very little island. Exactly. Like the middle of Indonesia. It's crazy. And I think it's such an incredible story that you have to share. I'd love to hear more about how the programs with Project Child have evolved over time. I know that Project Child has three main pillars. Volunteer engagement is one of them in particular. So I'd love for you to talk a little bit more also about the different programs that Project Child engages in and also your focus on volunteer engagement. Starting with the voluntary engagement, I was a volunteer myself. I mean, like, created a project and doing it, like, not getting paid to do it, you know, putting my professionality and my creativity and my passion into the project. And I thought, like, what an incredible time of my life to be able to give this back without really getting anything in return directly. In directly, it's a lot. It's a lot. Like, I always think, like, in giving back, you get so much more than what you give. Like, it's funny how those things work, you know? I always feel that it is true. So yeah, it was an incredible time of my life. And I thought, like look, you're university students and before going into work, like it's a labor, you know, like where you have to pay the bills and professional world, professional life, there's responsibility. There is keep performing index, you have to fulfill, like always behind schedule, wouldn't it be nice to just like do something for yourself in non-selfish way, in a way of serving the greater good, you know, so I start like designing this volunteering program for university students just before they're out of uni into into professional life and we've been getting like incredible feedback about it, like a lot of our volunteers are like life changing, some of them change their study completely, you know, like the study economy and like after like six months they were like okay I'm just gonna like study a little bit more of a business ethic and philosophy to enrich my understanding of economy for example and I thought like wow every person who realized that we play an active role in creating a society today and each of them waking up to the idea that each individual is powerful, it's either up to our collective win, you know, so it's very rewarding work for me. And not only are you helping the children in Indonesia who don't have access to the best educational system or healthcare and are living in deep poverty but you're also helping the lives of these university students by broadening their perspective and enriching their mind and giving them different experiences to really see the powerful effects that giving back has. Exactly Stella, like look Indonesia has like around like 12% like extreme poverty and like 40% of Indonesian population is actually living full-nerably, they could fall into poverty one day to another and we're talking huge number here, we have 200 over 270 million people in Indonesia, the number of like extreme poverty in Indonesia is bigger than the whole entire Australian population for example. And seeing it here in Bali too, it's especially now with COVID and people not really having a study income or not knowing when they're going to make money next, it's really people will do anything really to get any money or cash in their house. This is the best example, like coffee for example, like you could be that 40% who's like having like an okay life but you can fall into poverty one day to another when there is a disruptions in economy like for example COVID-19 and everyone lose their job and this 40% of population don't have much saving, they don't have assets and we're talking about like 110 million people here but looking at this number we also realize 60% of Indonesian population are actually alright, you know they carry on in life, I always think if you belong to the 60% of the community you have that opportunity to be in that box, it is your responsibility to serve the and reserving community. I often talk about this to university, shouldn't look with that number of poverty in Indonesia and here you are in a higher education, having the luxury of time to sit down, ponder about the world, you are privileged and if each of us in this 60% box realize how lucky we are we can turn the narrative around this in our situation like we can really say like hey look we are powerful, we can do something, each person matters like we can do something, it can really be a powerful collective force, but I think it has to come from an authentic place because we see a lot especially in America, students going abroad to save the babies in Rwanda for example, like this is a very general, obviously general example and it's for their resume or to get into a good college, like it's not really coming from this authentic place, I think another term used for this is volunteerism, which is I think a problem and so it's important I think to keep in mind that if you're going to engage in community service and volunteering it has to come from a good within you, it can't be for show or it can't be inauthentic, otherwise what are you really giving? I love that you mentioned volunteerism, like at the beginning of my project like project child, with a lot of like foreigners, they are doing like school here, the exchange program right and they're thinking okay I'm in Indonesia for a half year, one year, what do I do to make the best of it, you know, like some people like go and have like all party like every night, you know, and like island hopping, like I mean like you're in tropics, right? You go bananas and some students say like oh maybe I do something meaningful and some students say like maybe I do something that look good on my resume, for me like it is important to have a good intention, but it is important to work with an organization that can help you structure ize, restructurize this and help you realize that at the heart of a charity it is never about you and we have mixed people coming like with different motivations and with a proper training, a lot of of them realize that this is not about them and if they really want to get in full, be connected with the society, they will have to be able to look at like broader scale, like you know, like a lot of time we are having that microscope like mentality we are looking in and ourselves like what do I get out of it, but like I'm asking people to really like get the binocular out and see like what is out there, you are part of whatever is out there and how you can give back and seeing that you're connected with everything in the world around you. So it is your duty to give back. I think doing it for the right reasons and identifying what those reasons are is super important and I love how you mentioned that doing some sort of volunteer work in a more formal structure, like within a charity or an organization, they have the tools to kind of guide you down the right path. Exactly, exactly. Intention is one thing, how to do it right is another thing, you know, it's a skill is a knowledge and because it's a knowledge it can be learned. So to create an organization that have a lot of procedure, like a lot of standard operational procedure, a lot of module and trainings was always been my biggest passion, you know, like I to learn the hard way. There was this one time like we get like a charity donation of goods, you know, like beautiful towels, like my friends on a hot towel and the hot towel close down and there's a lot of towels, a lot of pillows, blankets, you know, and he donated this all and he was just like, "Oh, can you take this to your community?" And I was really happy about this because I understand like I see it like first hand like how children have to share like toothbrush, how children have to share like towel with their siblings, you know, in a very disadvantaged community, things like this happen. So every little health matters. So I was like really have the intention to come there and to help. So I grab all the boxes like organize it, like in five other moms, like I say like, you know, like take what you need. Little did I realize, like this is this can cause so much problem because there is not enough things for everyone. And I was giving them like a very blur direction, like very, it wasn't very clear, like, "Oh, just take what you need." They need everything exactly. So then you're left with not that much. Yeah. And like other moms start coming to me and say like, "Oh, why is that my neighbor get to towel?" And I didn't get any like, "How does this work? Like, what are you doing?" And I realized, "Oh my God, good intention can lead to chaos if you are not prepared." So this was the beginning of project child. And I realized, "Okay, if we really want to create impacts and not chaos, we have to be very mindful in the way we are doing our surface." And how has that shifted now since learning that lesson? It's gone quite far. You really have, I mean, just looking at your website and through conversations that we've had project child has achieved so much, you've worked with so many different organizations, sponsored by other organizations, you've had consultants from around the world from some of the best consulting firms come and work on projects with you. I know right now you're working on an incredible training module for university students with the online learning assistance program that you've developed during COVID. Could you talk a little bit more about that? Again, like in a coffee situation where all children's learning from home, it's a different home for different people. And sometimes like it's like 16 square meters of a house and there are like four or five people inside. There is not much space for children to really learn, right? I mean, as an adult, we feel like it is hard to work from home. Imagine as as a child. - Trying to learn without any distractions, which you're not gonna get, - Exactly. - Especially in an impoverished home. - Yeah, and imagine that in a impoverished home. There is literally no physical space to study. I imagine this is also confusing for them, and they're not getting the best out of it. In a different household, parents would hire private teachers coming to help the children's learning online. But in a lot of disadvantage community, parents didn't finish school. They like second grade dropout. And if you have a child like fifth grade, you would be in the dark, how to help them doing their homework, or how to assist them learning online. Again, we are looking at all of this problem, but it is an incredibly powerful to think of what we have. Sometimes we're looking at problems, and we think it's too complex. But it's like when we are moving a little bit like with a mindfulness direction into gratefulness, we are looking at what we have. And I was thinking like we work with a lot of incredible university students, and they were a child before, they were fifth grade before. So they would be able to help. So we talk about this, and a lot of them like love the idea to be an online learning assistant to these kids. Yeah, it's been amazing. Helping them with their homework, helping the students adapt to online learning, I think is so important. And I know now you're taking more of this mindfulness oriented approach towards training the university students to become online learning assistants. Exactly. It is one thing to be face-to-face with children, and tell them like can you please calm down so we can learn. But like when you are on the other side of the screen, and you're having like a child, like having like all the distractions and in a tiny, tiny house, and he probably didn't sleep very well tonight before probably didn't have his breakfast. It's very non-conductive environment for learning, right? So I start developing this module how to bring children back to their body because only when you are in your body and you can feel your body, you start to develop sense of safety and security. And only then, you can relax your parasympathetic nervous system, like working more than the other one and the parasympathetic. And with a little bit of mindful breathing, or a little bit mindful movement, we can create safety and security within a child body. We can help them access that. They always have it. We just have to be there to facilitate them to access these resources within them, to help them like prepare to be able to receive education. So that's what we've been doing. And I think like it's been incredible to see the feedback. This is just the beginning. We are on a draft one with this module, and we start talking with university students and they were like, teaching the children, you teach me about this. I want to be able to relax and write it to receive information or receive love. It's amazing what you're doing. And I think it's great that you did the yoga teacher training. It's so wonderful that we were able to be on the same program together because a lot of the content that we learned in the yoga course directly ties into the module and the training that you're trying to build right now about coming back into your body, accessing the body's intuition and neat knowledge, and how you can teach children that is so powerful. And to even give that opportunity to university students who probably need it just as much, if not more than the fifth graders, to understand mindfulness and stress reduction and all of that I think is absolutely incredible. I want to shift a little bit more into talking about the positive effects that giving back and community service has. I took a positive psychology class about a year ago and we learned about the benefits of gift giving. So spending your money in a way that you're providing for other people, that you're gifting something to someone else instead of just purchasing and wanting everything for yourself but really the psychological benefits and how it actually changes your brain structure or ignites certain parts of the brain when you're actually engaging in those giving actions. I love everything that you're doing in your organization but on a more personal experience, how do you feel when you know that you're doing something good and you're serving other people? And how do you see that manifest in your volunteers? - Oh, that's a very difficult question Stella. I rarely check in with what I feel about what I'm doing, I just do it. And I mean, like I've been doing it for over a decade. So obviously I love it. And I feel good about it but really, like truly, it's very rare for me to ask myself, what do I feel about this? I also don't feel like it's a duty to go out there and serve. It's just like something that I really, really love doing. I love seeing progress, I love seeing impact. I love creating a facilitating community, you know? Like for people to come together and do something, achieve something. And that's probably why I keep calling it because like I didn't realize how much it make me feel good about it but I always have the energy to wake up in the morning and say, what's next, what can I do? What can I do more? What can I give more? A sense of gratitude, you know? Like that I'm able to sit here having the luxury of time to think of what's the next step to give, you know? It's just like very empowering, I guess. We hear from university students, like some of the people, like they share their very personal stories. Like we have this young man, incredibly beautiful soul. Feeling like he had to take his own life. Incredibly isolated, Indonesia is a Muslim, like population, LGBTQ community, I'm not very welcome in here and he is part of this community. I cannot imagine the feeling of being so isolated and being so alone, not so lonely, I'm able to connect with the world outside of you. And he found us, he found the organization, he came, he shared his story, he was embraced, this is his own world, he finally felt like he belongs and with that sense of gratitude that he is appreciated, he wanted to go out there and appreciate other people. So it's amazing how these things work, you know? How transformative it is to your life. It is like he felt like the community is safe, his life, I'd say he saved his own, he's an incredible human being, he was so vulnerable and he stepped outside of his comfort zone to find a place where he can connect, not just to the people outside of him but to himself. It's amazing to see how transformative the experience is. He got a scholarship, got to Japan, study more, come back following your footsteps, that's amazing. It's really powerful, it is very important. I hear you talking a lot about your passion for this, it's so clear to me. In order to cultivate this mindset, would you say that people have to go out and engage in community service or are there other ways to tap into this, want to give back to others instead of just going to volunteer at a certain place or work with a specific nonprofit, like how can people cultivate that giving mindset and how can it manifest differently? In my opinion, you can only give if you feel like you have something, so it always have to start within you, you feel like you are enough. And when you feel that you are enough, there is must have been that part inside you say, I have enough, I want to give back. I have enough joy, I want to give that smile. I have more than enough clothes, I want to donate. I have enough income, I want to support family in far away countries, right? Like whatever is that, it starts with this, like feeling that enoughness within you, be it a smile or be like charitable donation money, like it's the same thing, you always have to feel that it is enough first before you start giving. To give from the place of lackness is, it doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel good. There has to be like very complicated motives behind that. But like I think we all do have time to create that time to sit with ourselves and to understand that we are enough. I think we can really transform the way we see the world, like where we are. we can do something for others because we are enough. I think you should be a motivational speaker in addition to what you're already doing because that's incredible advice and it just is so clear to me how a lot of this work starts from yourself and building up your own self-esteem and your confidence and growing your capacity for love and compassion and through practices of gratitude. There's so many things you can do to strengthen your own resilience and to become the best version of yourself so that you can share it with others. I think that's an amazing message to share with my community so thank you, Aya. And one question that I have for you that I ask every single guest that comes onto the podcast is what is something that brings you a bit of endorphins? Oh wow, that aside, the story of my. I always feel like the kick of endorphins when I actually when I go diving connecting with nature. It's incredible to be out of your comfort zone and feel challenged but also at the same time and guy, diving gives me this opportunity to be just there with all the animals like not able to talk, not able to do much, but to observe like the surroundings and observing the surroundings like you can't help but observing your inner world and feel that it's an incredible life. That's beautiful. You must have very strong lungs to be able to free dive to the depths of the ocean. I school but I school but too. Oh my gosh. I school but dive and like just talking about it already like make me feel like I miss diving so much. I'm like tearing off, you're getting a little emotional. I mean, I can't even imagine that type of experience to be that far under the water. I love going to the ocean. I've only seen it from above. I have never had the opportunity to really push myself and see what's beneath. So I think that's incredible. It's quite something to be able to see something outside of you and feel like sense of deep connection. For me, I always feel like I keep up endorphins whenever I feel like I belong, I connect. Humans are seeking connectivity. It's like one of the strongest predictors of happiness is the strength of our relationships feeling connected and not only to ourselves and to others but to the entirety of the world around us, which is, you know, we have to take it day by day. It's not easy to feel that way and there's, it's a long road ahead to constantly be mindful of what it means to be connected to the surroundings and our environment. I, it's just been so wonderful chatting with you today and I'm so happy that we are able to record this episode because I had the honor and the pleasure to soak in all of your wisdom this past month and a half. And now I have the opportunity to share it with hopefully the world, but we're starting small, my community of listeners. So thank you again so much for coming on to the podcast. Thank you so much. Thank you for listening and remember to like, rate and review this podcast on whichever listening platform you prefer. Don't forget to keep spreading endorphins and find things that bring you endorphins every day. See you next time.