Ep 36: A Conversation With Tricia Aldridge

[MUSIC PLAYING] Today's episode is brought to you by Cole Creek Equine, makers of the best equine spa in the industry. If you want your horses to be world champions, you better put them in a Cole Creek. OK, today on Uncut Real Rule, we've got Trisha Aldrich. Did I get it right? Yes, sir. Trisha, thanks for coming here, mate. Absolutely. Well, Trisha, here's what I know about you. I know that you're opinionated like me, and people leave a love you or fucking hate you, which makes me want to talk to you. That's all that does. So I'm really looking forward to getting to chat with you, because I really don't know Jack should about you. And I love that. When I don't know much about a guest, I love it because I'm very inquisitive, and I get to ask the questions because I don't know. I don't like to know a lot about guests, because then I feel like I'm asking questions already know the answers to. But in your case, I really don't know a lot. But I know that you're very opinionated, and you're a lot like me, that people leave a love you or hate you, and you're my kind of tribe. I don't-- my attitude to life is when you sit in the middle of the fence, you get splanners in your ass. Pick a fucking team. You know what I mean? So it's great to have you here. Well, thank you. Thank you for having me. Rhara, well, let's get started. Well, first of all, do you listen to the uncut and real real podcast? So I've definitely heard clips of it. Just clips, yeah. Yeah. And I follow you on social media. But I-- you'll laugh. But I try not to listen to podcasts so like since I got invited. Yes. Because I feel like it could subconsciously make you go one way or the other. No one can just be-- a lot like that. People ask me all the time, do I study the guests or do I want to know about them? And real answers, no. I don't. I don't want to study them. I don't want to have preconceived questions made up. I want to know as little about them as possible. Because then it's the most genuine or authentic. So I can appreciate that. That's 100%. Well, good deal. OK, let's just get started. How old are you? 37. 37? Where do you live? I'm in Valley, Texas, just north of Denton. OK, very good. So where were you born, Trisha? Oh, gosh. So I was born in Forhood, which is called something else now. And my dad was in the military, so we moved around quite a bit. OK, so you were a military kid then? Yes, and he was stationed in Fort Wayne, right, Alaska. And then Fort Campbell, Kentucky. And then we ended up back in Texas. OK, so where do you think you spent the majority of your childhood then? Oh, gosh. In Texas or everywhere. Oh, little bit everywhere. Little bit of everywhere. OK, very good. Did you-- was that hot on you as a kid traveling? Or did you adapt to making new friends? Did you embrace it? Do you think it helped you as an adult? Didn't help you? No difference at all? I think when you're a military kid, you learn how to make friends and talk to people. And I think I counted it at one time, and I had been to like 13 schools or something. So I mean, when you travel around that much, you're going to learn how to talk to people. No, I think that's going to help you as an adult. I would think. Because you learn how to communicate with new people, get over being shy, make new fucking friends. It's funny. Kids are the best at making new friends, because they just walk and say, hey, what's your name? And as adults, we kind of make it more difficult sometimes. Yes, sir. So if you moved around then, how the hell did you get in the horse industry? Let's start with your first horse. Where were you? So you don't come from a horse background, correct? No. OK, so give us the first childhood memory of a horse, ask in parents for a horse. Tell us that whole story. So my dad was actually-- he was stationed in the Army in Fort Hood. He worked for the first cabin stuff. And so I pretty sure the first horse I ever rode was a Mustang. OK. And Fort Hood. And so when we lived in Alaska, my dad was in the Boy Scouts. And they did the prison Mustangs and stuff. And so both my parents are from California, though. So definitely city, like San Jose and San Diego. And then when we moved to Tennessee, that's when I pretty sure asked for a pony every day. And how old were you? Do you remember that? I probably five or six when I got a pony. So where did you get the pony bug from? I always say people are either born with it or they're not. Do you have neighbors that influence you at all? Or you just walk-- you know, a lot of us as kids, you look out the window and you see a horse in the pasture. You're driving down the road. Do you remember seeing a movie? No, really. But I do know. I was like the kid that pointed out the naughty pony on the wheel. You know, that was like bucket. And I always thought it was fun. So in my first pony, his name was Bucky. So you were about five or six when you got your first horse, correct? Yes, sir. Was that hard to convince your parents to get it for you? I don't remember, but I'm pretty tenacious. So I would say I probably asked 9 million times. Yeah, and they just gave up. You sounded a lot like me. You just wore your parents into the ground. Yeah. Until they just had to say, take the prisoner. I'll do it. So that first pony success, not success, who taught you how to ride? How did that whole thing go? You know, some wrecks. A million. Yeah, I always joke, you know, because they always say like a good pony is still worse than the worst horse. And I definitely had some bad pony. So I think it's-- that's a big part of like a lot of me learning to ride was going to be all the really naughty ponies. And we would always try to get ones that were big enough that an adult could get on. So like, I remember we had a friend that-- and she was younger, but she rode bowls. And she would come and just thrash our pony around. And that lasts me a few more weeks, you know, pony would be good and then start getting naughty again and somebody would come. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They can get it around. So that kind of took you through early in your horses. When did you start getting influenced by either a sport or horsemanship or you're just riding off to school? Where do you go from there a little bit? Like what's the next day? Literally, like my dad would pony-- my pony to school. Yeah? To pick me up. So I mean, we were pretty much just like back yard-- Hillbilly's. Trail, yeah. I mean, I would ride my pony around like a bike. So I like lived in the creek and just would take the pony to the neighbors. You could spot me by wherever my pony was tied up. Fair enough. So-- You put some miles under that sun, bitch. I don't know how they survived. That's probably the reason you kept them beat down and I've been pulled. They were like little armaged mother fucking ponies. That would just say, "Word down." That would-- that would you tie to kill you. Oh, yeah, 100%. That's awesome. I'm like, "How these suckers survive?" Like we would be on trail rides and like me and the other kids, we would like run up and run back and run up and run back and run up and run back and like the adults would just ride. Yeah. And I'm like, "How these things survive?" My childhood. It was good for them. Oh, yeah. That's the right-- You know, that's one thing I think that in the horse industry now we're lacking is like 100 years ago, the horse training was pretty barbaric, okay? 100 years ago. And it was all about foursonum and timidermic et cetera. Now 100 years later, we've got all this great fucking psychology now. We understand there are paranormal, humans are a predator. We understand psychology, of course, as we understand how to get along with them. And we have all these great training techniques now to teach them rather than fight with them. But now they're overfed and they're under fucking worked. 100 years ago, they were beat up and rode into the ground, but they had a lot of work. A lot of kids. Yeah. And now 100 years later, we've got all these great training techniques, but they're getting fucked up because the horses are overfed, underworked, and we don't put enough miles under their feet. It's like, can we just find the middle ground somewhere in here where we've got all this great psychology to get along with them, but go back to putting miles back under their feet again. Oh, for sure. You know what I'm trying to say? So I love that. You rode the little sunbitch everywhere. So what changed after that then? I'm trying to figure out, at what point did you get interested either in bowel racing or something else, or you went to a horse show? What was the next little chapter as far as the horse goes? So definitely they had the little local play day stuff. And my dad run barrels. So your dad enjoyed the horses too then. So he was into him with you, correct? Yeah. You think he enjoyed him as much as you? Or he just went along with him because you were into it? No, I think he always liked it. You know, in Tennessee, it's a lot different. I feel like the women do walking horses and the men do all the speed events. So growing up, there wasn't a lot of fun. There was a lot of women that did that, which is an opposite of Texas, where it's mostly women. But I think you just kind of started out there with the ponies and stuff. Then we said it one more time. You said in Tennessee, all the men did the speed events and the women did the walking stuff. Yes. And it's the opposite as a general rule in Texas. Yes. Yes. And so it's kind of a different when you grow up like that. But those guys who have your ass like on a fores, if you see a good pole, it's coming out. It's going to be fast. Really? Why is that? That is a culture you think the further east, the men do more of the speed events. I wonder if it's like the horses that way or like having a motorcycle or a fast car or like the adrenaline. Yeah. So it's a race. Your dad liked the bow race and too, did he? And he competed in it? Yeah. But just like the playday, you know, like, and it was, I think like barrels and then poles and like one-girls speed and flag race and, you know, stuff like that. And then when you would go to those play days, I remember it was like a huge ordeal when I was little because-- How old do you think you were when you remember this? Probably like 8, 9, 10. 10 somewhere. You know, and they would have like a program of like 30 events. So it was like an all weekend deal all night. I remember playing tag out there with a little kid. - That's awesome. - In the middle of the night, you know. But I just think like, as I got older, I kinda wanted to do different things. So when we moved to Texas, I still was like kinda doing the play day stuff. I really never had interest in hospital rodeo. And then I started riding with like, I wanted to ride some cutters and some rainers and I competed in a venting for a little while too. - How old would you have been then? - Probably 17, 18, so. - Okay. So you basically got to have horses around you, pretty much from your first pony all the way through high school. You got to have a horse around you. - A horse. - A horse, yes. So they never left you, I suppose, what I'm saying. Okay. So around 16, 17, you started noticing there was other sports you could do or what? - Yeah, I wanted to see what I liked. I actually really enjoyed a venting. - How did you get into that? Did a neighbor have a venting horses or how to have a horse? - No, when we moved here, my dad, he leased a barn south of Dallas and it was a predominantly English barn and they had a bunch of like, your sausage and jumping trainers and stuff like that. So just kind of being around there. And then kind of at that age, I was already, you know, I talk about like, people that want to get into training. So I feel like as a general rule, if you end up as a trainer, when you were around that age, people were already asking you to do things. So like I was always asked to get on the problem horses or do, you know, fix whatever. - So would you say up to that point, you were very self-taught? Like nobody's influencing your horsemanship. - A lot of self-taught. - Yes, you're just self-taught. Are you reading books? Are you watching YouTube? - Oh yeah, I remember the videos. - Charming James. - Yes. - Okay. - So I suppose what I'm trying to ask is, - Lesson Horseman, you had a desire to learn is what I'm asking you. Or did you not? You did have a desire to learn. - I always won. I think I'm naturally suspicious. - Yeah. - So I'm not the kind of person that just they say, you can't do it this way or you can do it that way. I'm never just the one to just accept that. Like I wanna know what's the best way to do things, the most efficient way. I don't wanna say I wanna reinvent the wheel, but I just wanna make sure that the wheel is right. - Yeah, fair enough. - You know, and so I think just always wanting to learn from people and from trainers. - So was there any trainers that influenced you? Up to about 16, 17, was there any particular trainers that influenced you? Or most of your knowledge is coming through from books, YouTube, TV, and anything like that. - Most of my knowledge is probably from doing it the wrong way. - Fair enough. - Never really. - So a lot of that. I mean, we didn't have no money. So we were just auction horses and whatever you could afford and whatever you could get paid to ride. Like how I survive my childhood, I still am not sure. But like there's horses I would get on and like when I was in high school, we had this barn, so we were in Grand Prairie, next to a lone star. Okay, well if you go like just outside of that, there's all these barns around there. And I would go and work at these boarding barns and we would ride semolodes horses that who knows what the hell they come from. - People just paid you to ride 'em cause nobody else wanted to. - They would ride 'em too. I'm pretty sure the guy that ran the barn was like making money by like, he would bring in the load of horses and then he had like two or three of us girls that would go out there and ride the shit out of 'em all day. And then he would sell 'em at the end of summer. I'm sure we got like a peanut for it, but I learned a lot. - Yeah, you learned a lot of experience. - Oh yeah, but I would just like, we had those and then they had all the Mexican mat torses and stuff over there. And so it's cause it's pretty funny like looking back 'cause I'm like, I still don't know how I didn't die. But I had this horse, he was a, he was not a great barrel horse or a plaited horse, but that sucker would run straight as a freaking arrow. And he could, I would beat those Mexicans like non-traces. - Truly, you were actually in the mat traces. - I would come up on my little, he looked like a hyena, I'm sure he did look like anything. And they would bet me money and I would tell him like, oh, some of us are gonna be here stud and I mean, you dropped the hammer that sucker'd run straight as a freaking arrow and he'd come up with every time. - No, these mat traces illegal illegal. - They're definitely not illegal. (laughing) - Yeah, how old were you when you were mat tracing the same? - I'm 16. - Did your dad know about this? - Oh, I'm sure. (laughing) - Getting all kinds of trouble. But I learned so much though because like, there I was always around stallions and then like the Mexicans had the ones that would dance and you see some pretty crazy things. But you also appreciate a lot of like the culture around the horses and then also, what they do train them to do and then I always joke because you know where we were. You kind of hear them talk about that stuff and I was like when you're around those guys, like they treat this horses better than their wives. Like they got people there full time, they're gonna speck a dirt on them. Like they're very proud of how often were you doing these mat traces once a month? - Oh, a lot. Cause I boarded with all those guys and they would like, they would go to Lone Star and race and all the mat traces and stuff around there and the Mexican rodeos. - So was it like an undercover culture where everybody would text each other where these matches are gonna be? - Oh yeah. - Or how did you know where to go? - No, just the guys that were there, like they would always tell you like where they were gonna be at. - And you just knew you had a horse fast enough to beat their horses? - Oh yeah, yeah. - But I, oh, I know he was fast and he was all race bread but I really think where I like won all those races was he would just run in a straight line. And that's how I beat for like my saddle. - They just don't break his strong or they just not perfectly straight, you know? And I mean, that sucker was just really fast on it. But well, laugh now, cause I'm like, you know, now knowing what I know now. I'm like, he probably was like a terrible leader and he'll probably hold me. - He'll really hit a bet and like all these things that you just don't know. - No, no, no. - You don't know what you don't know. - So would you bet on your own races too? - Oh yeah. - Yeah. - Love that. - Yeah, I was a hustler. - So basically that's how it started. - Basically you got money through high school by riding pieces, shits, sal barn horses. - Oh yeah. - And mattress in the Mexicans. - And like I've had every kind of side hustle business you can imagine. So like when I was really little, this is like one of my favorites. But I used to like let's say you board your horse at the barn, I boarded at, okay? And your horse's name was fluffy. I would make you a stall sign that said fluffy, all colored and everything. And then I would be going to you and feel like, you wanna buy this sign? - You manipulated a little bitch. - And it would feel bad, you know? So I'm like a little kid, like that's how I paid for all of my stuff. - You gotta walk it, you walked your cuteness, okay? - Yeah, so you just gotta figure out how you're gonna make money and you know, do horses. - Especially when you, you don't have wealthy parents, you gotta figure it out. - Yeah. - You gotta get a hustle, you know? - Oh yeah. - So I love that kind of stuff. (upbeat music) - At Kaiser Arena's We Build Consistency for over 30 years, we've helped facilities design smarter arenas, manage footing properly and protect both horse and rider, from consulting and property development to the red drag still running 20 years later, Kaiser arenas. Built from the ground up, visit KaiserArrenas.com. - I've been doing business now, a DT horses for probably almost 10 years now. And one of the things I really appreciate about doing business with them is their horsemen first. They care about who buys their horses, where their horses go, and ultimately they want the horse to excel at whatever event it has the most natural disposition and talent to do. Sure, they raise world champion cow horses, raining horses, cutting horses and rope horse fertility horses, but in reality, Dean Tuffton is fanatical about letting that horse tell you what event it's gonna excel at. Sure, we might buy a cow horse, but it may be suited better for the rope horse fertility prospects, might be suited better for a cut up. You don't often get breeders that are absolutely fanatical about making sure those horses get the best start possible and ultimately excel in the event, that they're gonna do the best at the have the most natural talent, disposition and they enjoy that particular event. 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The unique thing about where you're sitting is there's been so many wealthy and world champions sit where you're sitting and they all started somewhere, whether they started by paying people to where they could go to somebody's barn and just groom the horses. They actually paid to say, can I pay you just to come in and break the horses, mines and tiles, everybody's got to start somewhere. - Which is cool. - It's fun to look back on that now because it really has come so far. But I also think I have a very different outlook on horses now because of where I started and I'm very fortunate because I feel like when you're that age and horses are always just made, You never learned. those skills and those skills even though when you're a teenager it's horrible because you don't you don't ever have anything tough enough to compete. The skills I learned from those horses are what's you know made me as an adult to have you know sell everything or not I'm never scared to sell one because I'll just make another one. Yes you know. Yes and so I think that that is really cool to have that outlook on the other side but yeah. I can name a couple trainers in particular that in my opinion it just catch riders. If you bring them one three-quarters train they will whip your ass with it but could they make one not in a million fucking years not in a million years could they make one themselves or do it themselves but if they buy one and that's their niche they typically buy them that are already three quarters to all almost trained yeah and they will absolutely show the shit out of it and beat your ass but but they they have to rely on buying good horses that are already you know three-quarter trained because that's their niche because they never learned to train one from a two-year-old onwards. Well and also they're so expensive now very much so a lot of people I feel like that were at the same stage as me well now that daddy's not buying them a horse yeah they can't afford that horse you know so now they're having to learn those tough lessons and it's almost like you just go opposite but you know it's kind of like when Mellon is smith did the podcast Mellon he did side hustles from bail and hay and making an extra dollar or two with hay you know bail and hay and deliver and hay to people in her area buying ponies and flipping ponies you know I see a lot of comments on the internet lately and I understand that horses in the last five years since covid six years have pretty much doubled in price across the board everything's got doubled basically in last six years you know combination of covid combination of the Yellowstone effect you know Taylor Sheridan a lot of new city people get involved in horses you can say you can have a million reasons why it's happened but reality is horses are pretty much doubled but I see a lot of comments on social media now about oh well you know horses are so expensive now you you know you can't get started all they've outpriced the beginner I don't believe that there's a level for everybody you can go out and get a free rescue horse right fucking now there's hundreds of thousands of rescue horses all over America that you can go get a free horse today now you may not be able to get a horse that you want at your budget but don't tell me you can't get started oh absolutely everybody can get started yeah and and you and you might get started with a thousand dollar piece of shit put put 60 days on it flip it for 3,000 go buy another one buy it for 3,000 flip it for 8,000 so I think there's a little bit of a cop out culture now that it's so expensive nobody can get started no you may not be able to start at the level you want to start out but you can get in the equine business right now with a free fucking horse and if you're willing to ride at 60 90 days and get it better there's no shortage of people that want to buy a nice trained horse well trained horses whether it's a trail horse or anything you can if I was a high school student today and I wanted to make money I'd go to rescues all the time I'd pick myself up a four to seven-year-old gilding I'd go get home I'd ride the shit out of it for 90 days and I'd flip that thing for $7,500 and a heartbeat that's how I'd make money if I was in high school right now that's exactly how I'd be flipping horses and making money because it's it's it's not hard to sell a horse for 7,500 now you know what I mean is a weekend trail horse type of stuff so I think there's a little bit of a bullshit excuse going around right now that horses are expensive and the good ones really are but I can't get started mental you're proven it now it's not proved it and I always say to a cost time or money yes so either you need to be willing to invest the time or you need to have the money but I think to the cool thing about my story I feel like is at this point in the game you know now I have a top stallion we have huge social media president we do all this marketing but I'm a little fish like I am truly someone who started from the bottom very much and who you know I've flipped the million horses so I really learned you know through my 20s about that work and so I would buy horses that I thought I could vet and I would take them to my vet and you know I would ride him and I would be like this is what I feel this is kind of what I'm thinking and I would work with him and then we would get a plan and I could no problem double my money you know even buying a lot of horses that people said not to buy but if I would just be like well this is a good set of problems like I can I know I can fix this I know I can vet this horse and get him turned around and and I think being able to directly see how that helped help the horses I could really turn some stuff around and take horses that were like not even in the 5d and then get him working and then and then there's always somebody that's willing to buy that horse and in barrel racing they'll even put up with some crazy if they win yeah so you know I always tell people is there any three ways to get a well-trained horse you either buy it trained pay somebody else to train it or train it yourself yeah so if you're poor train it yourself yeah you know Ian Francis is a great sign that I live by his is if you want something bad enough you'll find a way and if you don't you'll find an excuse you could have found a million excuses because you didn't come from money how do you find an excuse now so you know you think about when I was coming up or when you were coming up there we didn't have any of the resources no not at all that we have today like I feel like there's literally no reason you can't figure it out there is so much free training information on you to you now it's incredible you can just type in for any sport any discipline any problem and a video will come up on YouTube that would probably help you fix the fucking problem in any anything yes and it's free it's free it yes it is free so you're damn right there's even less excuses now of why you can't get started in the horse industry and stop building it but you know you know now and he does financially extremely well but she started by just flipping some high in a posture as a kid figuring it out you know and I think to just even like learning that so when I was younger you know we have a do like all middle or to crafts we lived in these apartment buildings in in Carrollton and I would go out when the street lights and stuff would come on I would go to the gutters and I would catch geckos and I would sell the geckos to the little neighborhoods well then the get if you bought a gecko you'd need a house for the gecko so I would buy like a little the little things I'd mark them up and I'd sell them the little house for the gecko well then you got to feed the gecko so I'd sell them food for the gecko and then when they lose the gecko I'd sell them another gecko I'm gonna protect my wallet when we get up to go to the restroom because it is a fucking hustle coming on here somewhere in this podcast I'm gonna lose some money to you I can already tell you that's awesome and you know so I did that I sold popsicles by the pool I had a snow cone stand for a long time I that's actually a really good little side business I really wanted your coffee stand next yeah but just I think all those things that teach you kind of how to do it you know when I was I started college later but you know in my mid 20s but when I was in college I used to do the local barrel races so I would train horses and then I would do all the local stuff at the Dimeterina and didn't and so I just learned a lot to go through there but I think I feel like almost now a lot of people just don't want to go through the struggle part of it and I think any business you're building you're gonna have a lot of struggle and I always joke because I'm like I feel like in our society you're told all the time that you need balance balance balance there's no balance not if you're gonna be really sick if you're gonna be great there's no balance you know you have to sacrifice even if it's for a short time like you know these last few years I have sacrificed a lot to promote my stallion now obviously things are way easier is one a million dollars and now I can pick and choose what I want to do yeah that's awesome but I had to put in all that time you know when people asked me about like him as a three-year-old I was like the thing I'm the most proud of is like we have a metal business stuff we build shops and barnemenniums and stuff and I wouldn't matter like we I would be out there working all the time you know hanging gutters or helping hang steel or do whatever we get done it and I I'd load him up go riding in flip on the lights 11 30 and I you know and then have to haul I have only just recently even had an arena of my own and so you know if you don't skip those steps you get that time back yes on the other hand I always tell people you either pay now and get to play later yeah or you play now and you will have to pay later yeah I did the same thing in my business I retired at 43 so now I get to do it the fuck I want yeah but up to 43 from 15 to 43 was a fucking grind yeah and people says wasn't your career fun no it wasn't let me just be blunt about this it wasn't fucking fun none of what I did for a living was fun yeah I did it because I was good at it I did it because there was a lot of money there and I did it because I wanted to be retired one day yeah you know what I mean but would I call it fucking fun no I'm sorry it wasn't it was called a grind and how much of this business is fun there's not a lot of you know when you really analyze being a fucking responsible adult Trisha there's not a lot of fun being an adult when you really think about being an adult there's a lot of fucking responsibility about being a great parent being in business you know doing what you have to do so I always tell people you know pay now and get to play later or fucking play now and you will be forced I got a buddy of mine that's my sound engineer that was on tour for me for 25 years as my sound engineer and this guy's a real hustler go get a you'd like him a lot and he has a elderly parents, at the time he told me this story, they were in their mid to late 70s. And he said they live in a trailer park and they both have minimum paid jobs and they still have to go to a job every day. And I said, Aaron, I said, "Why the fuck do your parents why are they working at that age?" And he said, "Clinton, because they partied the first 45 years of their life. All they did is smoke weed, drink beer, partied." And he said they saved nothing. They invested nothing. They just, they had a great time. But now they had lived literally from paycheck to paycheck. So they got to play for many, many years. Now they have to pay that and and work to, they will have to walk to the day they drop dead. And I can promise you, I turned 50 this year, you'll never have the energy you have in your 20s. Your 20s is the energy out of the money. That's the decade where you're the fucking stupidest. But you also have the most amount of energy. I remember in my 20s, doing a clinic all day, getting done and then going to the bar at 9.30, 10 at night and riding till 2 in the morning and not thinking anything of it. Then waking up at 6 a.m. and doing it all again. Hell now, if I'm not in bed by 8.30, I'm fucked. Like, you know, that is the, I tell people, the 20s is your decade to build your career, get your shit together and build your assets. Start building what you want to do. And 30s is pretty good too, but every decade you'll have less energy. Oh, for sure. And I think to just, you know, in our industry, I mean, there's a million things we could talk about with the culture. But, you know, I think the problem is, is like, people always think that people like you and I are, it's money, money, money, and it's not money. It's freedom. Like, you're building so that you can do what money, what money gives you as far as I'm concerned, is retirement just means you get to do what you want. That's all money. Money buys you the ability to interact with people you want to interact with because when you're broke, there might be a very wealthy customer that's a massive pain in your ass, but you've got to put up with their bullshit because you have a mortgage. You have bills to pay. You've got kids to feed. You've got a smile when you really just want to tell them to fuck off. But what money gives you as the ability to only interact with people you want to interact with, only ride the horses you want to interact with. One of the negatives to me having money now is I'm a little p-hearted when it comes to riding horses now. If I don't like them or they don't suit me real well, they're fucking gone. I don't even try to make them work anymore. Because I want to enjoy every horse I get on. But when you're a starving horse trainer, it's a piece of shit. You got to ride it. You got to deal with it. You got to make it work. Well, let's back up a little bit here. So, you get, you graduate high school correct? And then what are your parents saying to you? Pick a direction. What do you want to go now? Do you want to train horses? What are they saying to you? So I mean, I definitely kind of went a little bit off my off path because I got married when I was, I'm pretty sure I was 18 or 19. So, let's just say you're legal at the skip all the time. That was legal. So, and then I have a son. So he was born when I was 20. And then I got divorced because kudos to the people that get married that young and make it work. And how many of them do very few? So you change so much. Yes. You're like, you're, when I, I just read like an email I wrote when I was 20 and I'm like, Oh my God. I told people, this is like, every decade we change as humans. But the two decades that you change the most is a 10 year old girl is not the same as a 20 year old girl. What you were interested in as a 10 year old girl will not be what you're interested in 20. But the same thing goes in your 20, a 20 year old girl will have a different mindset than a 30 year old woman or man. And so I personally tell people, don't make life changing decisions in your 20s. So don't get married, don't have children. After 30 from 30 onwards, you want to be armist to knock out 50 kids, un-and-give a fuck. You want to get married, knock yourself out. But you've got a much better chance of making a mature decision at 30 when you've lived through that 20 than doing it in your 20s. Would you agree or disagree? For sure. And now I get a lot of hate for that statement. You want to, you want to see the fucking Christians that come after me about that bullshit. Oh, you've got to have kids early. You've got how many people did you see get married early that has still got, they've still married. Very fucking few. It's a, it's a catch 22 because you know, it's really fun, like going to Huck and and stuff with my kid and he can, I like that also, I'm still young enough to go and like do things like I always joke a couple years ago, I went snowboarding with him and his friend and his friend was like so upset that that the mom was coming. Ah, for you and left their ass. Yeah, gone. You know, like it's fun that I get to go do all those things. So I not also am very career motivated. So I feel like had it not happen that way, you know, I probably wouldn't have ever had children. And it's not that I'm into I'm into I know, I'm just, I just think that you maturity level in our 20s. Oh, young and dumb. We're young, dumb, full of come. You know, we just, we've got all this energy and all this enthusiasm, but we don't know where to put this energy. Yeah, we're too immature to know what a good decision or a bad decision is a lot of the time and I'm not saying we don't learn lessons in our 30s and 40s and 50s every decade you change. I'm way smarter though about that kind of. Yes, because we make better choices. But you'd be amazed how many people, like I actually saw a post on social media the other day. Somebody's Facebook post and they were, they were actually criticizing that exact advice where I say the post said, "Clinton Aniston tells everybody not to have kids and not to get married in their 20s and I did it and I made it work and yes, it's hub like she proved me wrong. I don't give a fuck. I have 50 kids. I have 50 kids in your 20s as far as I give a shit. I'm not telling people that you're a bad person for doing it. I'm just saying if you go, if you, if I'm giving your advice, don't fucking make life changing decisions between 20 and 30. And I'm, and I'd like to say I'm smart enough that I made these decisions because I was wise. No, I was stupid. I got a lot of bloody noses. Yeah. A lot of fucking bloody noses, you know what I mean? It is very hard. So, okay. So you get, so you get married early at 18. And then divorced. And then divorced? Not wrong with that. I've had two of them. It won't be a third. And you get married, get divorced, you have a kid. What are you doing now for money? Like, where's your head? Like are you training horses? I'm trying to figure out where you are in your career. So at this point, unlike training horses, but not super specialized. Like I had. Where are you training horses? Whereabouts? In South Adales. South Adales. Okay. At least a barn and trying to figure out. So who's helping you babysit? Your parents helping you. You've got a kid now. Who's helping you balance this? The little Mexican lady at the barn. I love it. I love the wife or the guy that helped clean stalls. Okay. So she gets a babysitting seat. Yeah. Basically. They have like three kids. So you took your kid to walk basically. Yeah. And then she babysit with her kids. Yeah. Okay. That's awesome. And so I, at this point, I'm training, but also. Bower racing horses. Or just anything that would pay you a bill? Probably anything that would pay a bill. Like, and I think at this point too, it's kind of where I start learning the hard knocks. So I start learning like a really good lesson. Like I ended up getting in this lawsuit over this horse. And so they brought me this two year old or three year old stallion. And he, you know, they want him broke and they love him because he's fluffy and three generations back. He has some sort of something on his paper. She know one of those deals. Yeah. And he was freaking rank like pretty bad. Like pretty bad thingy outside the box. Like I'm having like I try to get on him in the pond. Like, I mean, I have a son of a rocker. Oh hell yeah. Like dirty too. Yeah. And like, I have a guy, like a bronch rider friend of mine come out and he this sucker like blows in the round pin and like rolls him into the wall. Like it's one of those ones that has no self-preservation. Yes. I'll play with those kind of anymore. So you know, I get through this whole thing. I finally get it's a freaking stud. I get him going. I get him. I get him broke. Okay. And I'm starting to ride him and I'm riding him every day. And I finally got most of the bullshit. Okay. Like out of him. And he's a little sore. You know, like a little back sore probably because I'm running every little shit out of him. And probably needed to do. Yes. Okay. And the owner say, we just want to take him home and give him a break. Okay. This is the first red flag. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So they take him home or whatever. They want to bring him back to me like a month later. And so they bring him back. And I remember, I got on him in the round pin the first day and he rode off and he was pretty good. And then the next day they had like this little cover arena. And I'm down there in the cover arena and I'm trotting around and I mean, nothing changes. And this sucker freaking breaks into flips me off of him. And I just remember him like coming at me like teeth and feet like ears pinned. Like aggressive. Oh yeah. And like freaking bad about to stop my brains in. And I start screaming and yelling and getting you know, getting off tastes to offer whatever. So I tell the people come and get him. Yeah. Why are you doing this? Like you cut him or you come and get him. And so then I get drug into some big lawsuit because they say that I didn't get him broken whatever, you know, we go to court and, you know, young and dumb. So but thankfully at this point, it's somewhat from the grace of God, because I don't even know if their video cameras were not even that prevalent to have at this point. And I had a video riding him. And that's what I got paid to do was to get him where you get your riding. And I'm like, I don't know what the hell happened in the month that he was gone or whatever. So they have some they pay some trainer to come in and say that the horse there's no way anybody could ride this horse and Whatever and they go through all their spiel and then I flip open my little laptop and play the video of me riding him I won the I won the court case and everything but you know I ain't a dime You know what so funny is is until you've had a crazy fucking customer I So you've had one yeah, they burn a hole in your ass so bad They just take the fun ride out of fucking trainer horses, don't they and they say well if you just would use the saddle pad He wouldn't buck if you would just use this bit and they want to tell you how to do it And I always show because I'm like, you know On the other side I'm like if you're if you're paying me to ride a horse for you You're paying me for the finished product that you think I can make like how I get there is My deal right like and if I send a horse to somebody that's the same I got five horses up with Ronnie Yoast right now in South Dakota your brakes forces for me and It takes him forever. He don't answer the phone, but I know what I'm getting back Yeah, you know and I was joke because he's a really good dude, but he's I just know what I got on the other end of that so just send me the bill like and if you if I can't be like that with With somebody out then they're not you know as you get older and wise you start smelling the crazy and I always tell people If you think somebody's crazy when they've got their own money imagine how crazy they'll be when you got their money Oh, so if you smell fucking crazy, I don't care how broke you are don't take their money, but you only learn that the Hard way I We have an academy class every year and every year I give them a speech about crazy customers and how you avoid them and do your I have a I'm a nut on documentation documentation documentation documentation we videotaped the horses when they get to the ranch we We take photos of all four sides before the horse leaves we videotaped it again We get more photos all four sides, you know We document every phone call with an email and I go we have a set procedure yeah and And a late girls one time said to me she said why do you protect yourself so much? And I said because until you've had your first taste of a crazy bitch that makes your life absolutely fucking miserable You don't have an idea how miserable they'll make you and people will lie their ass off directly to you on a phone But when you've got an email that said that with that says hey, I told you your horse has a swallow knee This is what we've done you agree to it. You said we could take him to the vet blah blah blah You can't you can't deny what's in writing you can't deny what's on video the video saved your ass didn't oh Yeah, you know what I mean you can't deny what's in photo so I document document document But we've got so good now Trisha at smelling crazy bitches when we go to take a horse in training We have a like a list of about 20 questions And one of the key ones for me is and we we ask them all these things okay, but one of the key ones for me is I'll say hey You know this academy program. It's a lot of work. We're riding them a couple hours a day It's pretty strenuous on them, but you know you're gonna get a real trained world trained horse But you know you understand that horses can die correct I just say it like that and then I just stop I want to be dead silent and I want their response to be yeah Horses can die Clinton, but I know you take real good care of them and and I want their response to be now If something does die can I bring you another one? I want their rocking response if they say what do you mean they can die? When was the last one that died like if I start freaking out? I just cut them off right there Yeah, thank you, ma'am I really appreciate you, but this ain't gonna work again. I haven't had a fucking horse die in fucking 15 years You get what I'm saying, but I want to present that question Because I want to know how crazy this bitch. I want to flush the crazy bitch out Yeah, does that make sense? Oh because because I've had them go insane over the dumbest shit in the world Because especially in my world where I made my money I'm dealing with the beginner of the beginner these people are entry level Yeah, does that make sense? So I'm not dealing with seasoned horse people, but I understand a horse will get an absist every once in a while It'll be three-legged lime. It'll look like it's legs fucking broke and you bust the absist and it'll be sound the next die Well, and even the performance horses. I mean, there's just very much and horses are just inherently dumb by you know Like as far as getting themselves into dumb situations and especially the more wealthiest and the more expensive they are the quicker Try to kill themselves, you know what I mean when I had my race in Stephenville We had a lot of horses on the ranch and trained a lot of academy horses and she came to me said hey We got a problem with the horse. You know what I'd say to myself in my head. Please God let it be mine Oh, you know what I'd say that because when it's mine I can deal with it I'll fix it. We'll get it down But when I have to make that phone call to somebody else. Yeah, that's when it makes it harder Okay, so you're basically training in backyard pieces of shit doing some bowel race and you know You're in your early 20 well your late you know 19-20-21 somewhere in there you bringing your kid to the barn Mexicans babysitting as well and you're basically supporting yourself through training. Yeah All day everyday basically because you know, I did I did work like you know I worked and rent some russer rants or like little stuff like that but then you learn like You know when you talk about like given like the beginners and stuff So I'm like you I could go give lessons for 50 bucks an hour. Yes or I could work All freaking we get a restaurant for peanuts. So a I think at that time I didn't really like to teach because I think when you're that young and you're teaching You have to deal with a lot of pushback because people are just assuming you don't know anything because you're young So you have to kind of deal with that So I didn't like love teaching at that time, but it was just the best way to make money Yeah, goody. Yeah, and I think too with a I love I ended up Pushing more towards like doing the lessons because you have so much less overhead On lessons versus that you know the training where the more that you get the more cost yeah, so just trying to kind of Figure out the business one of that there's way more money and teaching. What do you think I went teaching? Yeah I wanted I wanted to be a horse train when I came to America Yeah, but I quickly figured out there was no any of the money and horse training that I could make out of teaching Yeah, you know what I mean? Teaching was way more money like you said it 50 dollars an hour to give a lesson back in those days Well, you don't get paid 50 dollars a ride now if you could get paid 50 dollars a ride There might have been money and rod and horses for sure, you know what I mean? 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Are you trying to learn from anybody? Are you still reading books? Are you going to any clinics? Are you still just kind of stumbling through the dark? You know talk to me about the horsemanship part of it Are you do you have a desire to learn you know what I'm trying to say? Yeah, I definitely would go and ride with some people But just ran them when I could afford it. Yeah, if I could go take a lesson with somebody But most of it I think was just watching and you know people that would come through and ride and just kind of Is that's the craziest thing looking back because you're always like how did I even figure some of this out? But I think it's just literally trial and error and I had had at this point so many horses So like in my early 20s. I mean I was riding I was pretty well in the known for problem horses, which is not what you want to be known for as you get older. Yeah. But at that time, I mean, it had some kind of crazy problem. Like, I was just the one that could fix it. Yeah. It wasn't scared of anything. So then you just, you know, you just figure out how to do it and you need the money. So you figure it out. My attitude was, when I was in Australia, I used to be a horse trainer and I used to fix problem horses mainly. And my attitude was, I didn't give a fuck how bad the horse was. And my attitude was, this is the bill. Can you afford it? Will you pay it? And if the answer was yes, I said, bring him along. Yeah. It could be the biggest piece of shit in the world that I'd kill you. I didn't give a shit. I was starving. I needed the money. So as long as I'd pay their bill, I said, yes, sir. And thank you for bringing it. I'm thankful that you showed up. Yeah. Because I was starving, you know? And at that, the worst thing too is it's almost like a double edged sword, right? Because like, from here looking back, you know that like that type of client is the most difficult client. Like for $1,000 or, you know, at this time is probably like $6.50. Yeah. You know, that's a lot of money to them. And so they're expecting you to literally work on that. I feel like a real asshole when I say this, but fuck it, it's my podcast. The cheaper you, the cheaper the cost, the more problems with the customer. 100%. Okay. So when I used to do clinics in the early years, I would charge like, you know, $400 for a three day clinic. Okay. And then when I bumped it up to like $750 for a three day clinic, I got a lot better horses showing up and a lot more people that were more serious. When I bumped it up to $1,500 for a three day clinic, I noticed the horses got way better again and the customer's got a lot more serious. So I know it sounded like a rich asshole now, but it is what it is. The cheaper you charge, the more problems as a general rule the customers will give you. The more you charge as a general rule, you'll get less trouble out of the customers and a better quality of horse. First of all, there's always, you know, there's always some fucking lady who sent me an email. You know, I was a poor and I never gave any trouble. Fuck you. Just because you're the exception to the rule. Yeah. You know, people always think because they're the exception to the rule, it doesn't mean the rule doesn't exist. The rule is still the rule. A broken clock is still right twice the fucking day. So that is very much true. The cheaper you charge, the as a general rule, you'll hear more bitching, more problems, etc. I'm not saying the rich people. And the horses are also like more dangerous. Very much so. So a lot of times when they're calling you, it's because they broke something. Yes. Or you know, kicked somebody or just some running off. Like you said, like I got a reputation to in Australia for fixing those horses, but with me, I was poor and I needed the money, but I actually loved the problem horses. I got off on them because I loved the challenge that nobody else could fix them. But after I did that for like four, five years where every horse is a big pile of shit and you're having to fix it, I kind of got burning out of that point. And then when I got a chance to ride a really good horse and actually Mindy, my Australian horse man, she was the first really well bred horse that had a lot of talent and try. When I first wrote, started her and wrote her, I was like, holy shit, it can be this easy. It can be this good. When I got my first taste of a horse with talent, it was like, fuck these problem ones. Fuck these untoward to pieces of shit. I want this. It's kind of like once you get a taste of fucking driving a Porsche, you ain't going back to the fucking Honda Civic. You like that? You get what I'm saying. But the good thing about having all those problem horses, Trisha, is that that's what got me through all those tours and clinics. It does, I was, you know, call me arrogant, I don't give a fuck, but I knew whatever walked through the gate I could handle. Yeah. Because that my tours and clinics, we never pre-screened the horses. We never pre-screened them. We never made sure the good ones showed up. It literally anything could walk in that gate. And I had confidence through all those years of working with those bad horses, but I could do it. So I'm glad I did all of it. Do I want to go back to it again? Never. But I always tell my students, you have to work with turds in the beginning. You have to work with a lot of shitty horses in the beginning because it'll build your skill set as a horseman. But there will be a point in your career where I hate to say it like this, but it's the truth. You almost start hating on horses because you're just dealing with the shit every day that you get resentful towards them. I've got a girl right now that's my assistant and she's working on a lot of, she's Paul from Mississippi wrote a lot of fucking trash. And the last one she got off, I said, okay, from now on you don't need to be riding shitty horses anymore because you're starting to hate on them. You got to like these animals. And they get, I remember getting burnt out on problem horses where you kind of get to fucking hating on them and you don't even realize you're getting like that. And so once you get to that point, you got to quit working. Sorry horses will actually make you sorry as a horseman because they'll change your attitude. You agree or disagree? And also you're riding because when you're riding good horses, especially for what we do, you're having to pull on them a lot and you're having to go school on them and you're having to do all these things that you don't need to do at all on one that's good and wants to do it. And so I think like as I'm learning at this point, I kind of start to pick Barrow Racing is like, okay, they, you know, I love eventing but there's a ribbon or there's a check. So I'm just gonna like, okay, I really want to stick with this Barrow Racing. But then it almost got to the point where it was like, I was learning bad things. Like I was a really good rider but my hands weren't good. I didn't have that like finesse that you need to learn to really be successful in that, in really anything. And I think riding English really helped me. But then right when I was early 20s, I moved up to like North Texas to like Aubrey area and I worked for Tom McCutchen. And so I joke because I'm like one of the best things that I learned there was, you know, I rode for him and I only worked part time. I was down the road so I would like trade out so I could swim my Barrow horses in the afternoon. So when I would go, you know, from the raining side, you have to have everything loose, no posting. Like I would ride these young studs that were, you know, pretty energetic and you're not getting a hold of nothing like it is. These are, you know, you're warming them up for the trainer but they're expensive and you know, they're just like, you got to ride them through it. And just to learn, I really I think changed a lot of my training technique because I needed to learn like how to just be okay with that. Where? With them not pulling on you. And coming from the English where you constantly have contact. Right. So it was very unsettling when you're like control control control. Do not have a security pull under the belt. And then you have nothing. You just spit you to them. And I can hear still here the lady yelling at me to stop posting. Yeah. Yeah. So like I think that it really was a good skill for me to learn that because like I noticed as I got older, like I just was way more comfortable just letting the horse be, you know. And I think that that really kind of shaped my riding as I got older. If you can't get a horse to walk Trotten Cana on a loose rain, you don't have much day. Well, you know we ride Barrow horses. I know, but I still say it. And I'll still beat up on you bitches. If you can't get a horse to walk Trotten Cana on a loose rain without building speed, you don't have much there. It's in it's tricky because I've heard a little clip of your podcast with Chad. We're talking about like them being more broke. Okay. So I kind of went through stages with this because what was happening is I really appreciate a broke horse from riding like colors and rainers. But then when I would go to compete. I would say I was like, oh, I need to make an adjustment. Why'd go to make an adjustment? Why'd get three feet? And so three inches. You're out. You lost. You're done. You know. And so then I had to learn to like get them broke and then back them back off so that they could I guess interpret differently, not be us. One of the best things that I have a way that I heard to describe a barrel racing horse. I'd like to hear your opinion if you think you agree with it or disagree with it. A great barrel racing horse is a controlled runaway. You agree with that statement? Mostly. Yeah. So I just controlled runaway. When we went to Fort Worth, one of the girls was telling me they were like, okay, when you get in the alley, like you need to do this and kind of think here and think there. And just like and they say the same thing at the finals too and it made me laugh because like I like the y'all think I have as much control. Like the sucker weighs 1300 pounds and I'm an o-ring and if he shook his head, he would fall off. Like I mean, you could pull it off of his face. Yeah, you speed kills. So you guys have tea to taudereen on a disaster because you've got to run that fast. I get you need to be fearless. Yes. The same as you race. If I was racing motorcycles. Because as soon as you start to have that fear, you're never going to be. I tell people though, the speed just amplifies whatever is fucked up going slower. Whatever stiffness you've got, whatever unbroken us, whatever hole you have in your foundation, speed just puts a magnifying glass on it. Speed just amplifies it ten times. So my attitude is if you can't get the basic right and pretty damn good at a walk trot in a slow loop, obviously everything's going to fall apart at a faster pace. Especially a fucking gallop. Now that doesn't mean you've got to go slow forever. At some point you've got to test it out. At some point you've got to know what a I got when I hit 9,000 RPMs, what the fuck's gonna happen? And you know, some people, it seems like people either fall into two categories. They're either running 9,000 RPMs all the fucking time and they should be doing a lot more slow work or they keep them slow forever. And the only time they go 9,000 RPM is when they go compete and they wonder what falls apart. You know, you've got a tea to try to between the two. Would you agree with this agree? For sure, I think too, it's just that you are, I think in barrel racing, it's hard because you're riding the mineral line. So you need them to be trained, but you need them to be self-thinkers. And then like you really need that little bit of arrogance, you know, just that little that I was joke like with the audio, because I'm like, you feel that so critics just out and be like, let's get it. And like, he has so much confidence and that makes a great competitor. You know, because I feel like too, with Stallions, it's like you're constantly riding the line because if you take, you can have that Stallion or any horse that works beautiful, but don't have that spark to push them over the line a little bit, you know. And especially with what you're doing, you're running the wheels off them. You're not just fucking pony-loping, you're like cowboys and Indians, fucking escaping, you know, going to the mental farm, you know, you're running, okay. Let's back up a little bit. So all through your mid-twenties, you're still just training horses. No, then I got a college. You go to college. So what age did you say, fuck, that's horse deal and I want to go to school? I think I was probably like 24 or 23 or 24. What mentally happened to you that you said I want to change? I'm not making enough money. You know, making enough money with these pieces of shit horses. Yeah, and so I. Were you getting burnt out with them at all? I think. Were you getting tired of dealing with that type of horse? I think so. And just wanting to be more. Just wanting to be like. I do, so I mean at that level too, you have a lot of clients, I have a lot of money that you see that are like, you know, spending money on all these things, living this great life or whatever, and then you're just like, gosh dang, I'm starving. Yeah. And so you're like, how do I get to there? Like how do I get to the other side of this? And so in my mind, I was like, well, I'm going to go to college and then I'm going to have a real job and then I'm going to pay for my horses. So I was like, we're going to switch gears. Hindsighted, I didn't know where we're going. I get that, but I just want to know the mental things in behind it. I do still advocate for college in some aspects as far as. How about education? So I. It is education. I went to my majors in construction engineering. So even though I technically don't use that, there's a lot of things I learned through that process that have been really good. So like in college, I didn't know I was going to go. Where did you go to college in? University in North Texas. Okay. And how will you feed in yourself while you're going through college? What are you going to do in the most? I ride horses. Yeah. So you ride horses during college after work? Yeah, yeah. You're Mexican, Lali, still taking care of your son? So at this point, my son is living with his grandparents and so as a whole other story. But anyway, through the divorce and custody fights and all the things, like, and that was the thing, like when I was young, I said, I have no money to fight anything. You know, you just don't have the money. You get spend and spend and spend and it's all you got. So through this and then, you know, that's. And I think that's a big driving force too, where I was like, okay, I want my laugh to be better, like I want to be able to afford whatever. Whatever it is that I want to do because the sucks. And so through college, though, I didn't know I was going to go specifically into engineering. So when you go into engineering, you have prerequisites that have prerequisites. So you're constantly like, have all these like gaps in your schedule. So I took a ton of psychology and marketing classes. And so, and legal classes too. I really enjoyed doing that. And so like when you keep. I was eligible for grants and stuff. So when you keep your schedule full, you can keep getting grant money to go to college. And then I had a pretty nice bear horse at the time that I sold and I cried when they loaded him up. But he helped pay for the rest of college. Fair enough. Yeah. So you did four years of college, didn't you? Yeah. Okay. Did you enjoy the process overall? Yes, I know, because the cool thing about UNT is it's. They have the main campus, which is like what you think of of a TV show in college. And it's like, I'm sure there's parts that are not like that. So don't come at me on the internet. But they, you know, it's like the party and they're like. Party, the good looking people. Yeah, the good looking men and women. Over shit on the movies. Yeah. Then they have another campus that's for engineering and it's called Discovery Park. And that is like the professors are all. They all run their own businesses. They have like their own construction companies and stuff. They're teaching. It's way more of like real life. It's hard as hell. So you're the people that you're in school with, it's. You're really trying to get through these classes. So it's like really difficult. So it's just a way different mentality on that side of it. And I really enjoyed over there where it's like you can learn anything you want to learn. And you can do skills labs if you want to learn to do drawing or CAD programs or you can literally do anything you want to learn. And so I enjoyed that side. The regular college, like I was. I don't want to be in a sorority. I'm not interested in any. Like I would get so mad when they. You have classes that are. You have to have attendance to your letter grade. And so they'll be like, "Well, if you miss three days, we knock you down a letter grade." And I'm like, "I paid for this." Yeah. I feel like if I could get an A in the class, I should just get my DMA. Not. Well, you missed three days because you were at a horse show. Yeah. I don't know. It was a little tricky to get through that stuff, but I rode all through college. So I mean. Will you getting any better type of horses? Yeah, all barrel horses. Still problem horses, but. Barrow horses. Barrow horses are better because they don't take as much running as. So let me find that out then. So at what point did you start getting a reputation that you could take just barrel horses to train other than rather than just problem backyard pieces, shit? Like, at what point did you start really focusing on the bow? Did you. Supposedly what I'm trying to ask is, "Did you make a conscious decision like, 'Okay, I really like this barrel racing.' This is what I want to do. This is how I want to make a living or this is what I. At least what I want to do for my hobby. Even though you don't. At what point did you say, 'This is direction I want to go.' Do you remember that? I think in the early. My early 20s, because I feel like when I had the split barn and I had like. I think I had like five of enters and I had like five barrel horses. So I had a lot of horses and it's so much money. I mean, I would blow like 2,500 in a weekend to go do the eventing and then I'm like the only person without a groom and the only person without a big trainer, you know. And like, I think I still did good, but I think realizing it was going to take so much more money to be on that side of it. And so that's where I was like, "Okay, I think I'm going to sell these horses, try to focus on this and get better." And at this time I had like definitely some horses, like I had a stud horse that definitely should not have been studed. And like, you know, all the thing. I'm just like learning all the. We've skipped a little bit about who exposed you to the three day of ending. Where did you get that bug or where did you get exposed to that? I think just that the English Barnes like being around friends and stuff that mostly did that. When we moved to Texas, there wasn't really a lot of people that did western stuff. It was mostly the English side. And so any of my friends and stuff were big into jumping and my dad did the western stuff, but like I don't really know. I can't even think of any like when I was a kid and stuff of kids that were doing that stuff, like even through high school. Did you learn anything from doing those three day of end is there anything from that industry that still sticks with you today that you moved over to the bowel racing or over to your general horsemanship? And you think over there you brought with you? I think just understanding what true collection is, because I feel like in an or industry that's like way overlooked or understanding how it feels to have a horse that moves through the bridal. And not. I feel like I always say it's kind of like an artificially broke because you'll get western horses that are soft, but they're behind the bit. Or they're a little bit reactive. And I think as a trainer now, I always say, well you don't get in your truck and not touch the steering wheel. Like, well I can't touch the steering wheel on my horse. It's how I look at it. And I just think that a lot of the English side of that probably really came over. And then I think fear, fearless, because I mean a vending is like. You could have some balls, don't you? Pretty hardcore. Yeah, you could have some balls to jump over the fucking shit thing. Because you're like, fetching it to them and like jumping over things that don't move. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, pretty cool. So you get through college and you get graduated, correct? Yes. Okay, now at this point are you thinking, go get a city job? What are you thinking at this point? So I actually did. I got hired on out of college for a company called Lane. So you would have been what, 28 by now? 27. 27, okay. And so what's funny though is I did my interview on the phone at BFA at the birth of Turties of America, I was competing. And so at this point I'm like, okay, I'm going to make money. And I got, I mean I got hired on and I got a, I had a great job. I loved that job. And you got. What was it doing? Construction estimating and like going to job sites and the cool thing about Lane is it's a very large Corporation and so I love Places where you get paid to learn so like any software I wanted to learn any anything like you just asked for it And they would you get access to it and you can like self-teach yourself or they have places you can go and learn and and I really love the construction stuff So I don't know I think I like that it changes all the time I think that's the same thing I love about horses too is that it's just The challenge of it. Who gave you that bug your dad wasn't into construction was he? No, I haven't. So where do you get this construction bug? No clue. Yeah, I'm not saying it's bad I'm just trying to make the connection. 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I sent him to a trainer. He bought this horse somewhere. Yeah Yeah, just off the internet. Okay. Yeah. Okay, so you buy a prospect is one of mine. Yes, okay full barrel racing and I think So we're gonna back up just a tiny bit more. Okay, so the last year of college I Was pretty much over the horses the horse business all the thing you a little bone out will you as a little burnout And so I made a New Year's resolution to go on one trip a month for my senior year because I figured this is probably like my last Terrod anything right so I ended up going on like 36 trips. What do you mean trips? Like I would go like hiking. I learned how to do canineering like I would go like to Zion and Bamp in Mexico and I've been all over like Lake Powell and pretty much all over the United States and like Did way different things and at this time that was not a horse thing not horse things Yeah, and so then what do you think burnt you out on the horses? Do you think clients? Yes Yeah, I was just gonna say wasn't the people of the horse people tell us the people why you think and this is a very common because most horse trainers Love the horses but hate the clients. So What do you think it's common to get burnt out from the people? What do you think is the most? Oh, no, maybe your embarrassing industry is different from other parts of the horse industry I know. Yeah, what do you think is the common theme that makes the the human part such an exhausting part? I think it's a combination of like and I still feel this I don't even ride for the public and I haven't years But like you almost feel like unappreciated because you know the time that you have in that horse and it's so frustrating Sometimes because people have this unrealistic timeline and the horses don't Follow any sort of timeline, you know or People compare horses. So it's like well this horse is doing it this way. Why can't this horse? It's like they're not even remotely similar or they learn differently or one learned slower Or they don't have the talent or they just can't you know It our industry all the time. They're like it's a one-dee horse like our prospect and it's like not even close You know, you know like but the flip side not everybody wants that horse. Yeah, so I don't understand why they market them So you think that a lot of the the frustration between humans is the unrealistic goals of the customer? Would you say I would say that's probably the biggest one because I mean if you're putting in all this time and money and Effort into something and then it's not turning out what you want it to be then the clients get frustrated and you know especially I have always gravitated more towards the maturity horses. So I mean you have a very Long time into that to get them ready to go. It's kind of funny. I've always said this about the horse industry. It almost I'm gonna sound bad while I say it but The horse industry almost Rewards horse trainers to be dishonest and I'll tell you why that's how they get paid That's how they get paid. Yeah, but the clients almost reward the trainers for being dishonest in his way I can't tell you how many times that I've fired a horse and said it's not good enough Okay, for what they want to do they've told me I want this type of horse So you fired the horse because you say I don't want to waste your money Because it's not gonna do what you want it to do Thinking that I'm doing them a favor thinking that I'm helping them thinking that I'm taking care of their checkbook But I'm not amazed anymore, but for a long time I was how many people actually got upset about that and got kind of got pissy about it Yeah, and took that horse to another trainer the other trainer said yeah bring him on in unicorn Come bring him on in yeah, and they spent another years worth of training bills and it's That's getting fired again and some of them would send it to another fucking trainer. Yeah, okay, but they didn't spend another years worth a training You lost the customer they lost another years worth the training bills and it's like It's like I should have just shut my mouth and told him what they wanted to hear and kept taking the train a month because it's like It's like they don't reward I have said this on social media before if your horse trainer fires your horse hug him Yeah, go up and tell him thank you because there's no incentive for horse trainers to be honest because they lose money when a horse leaves a barn They get less money in so when a horse trainer is honest enough to tell you this horse is not gonna walk He's coming from a place of taking care of you. He's coming from a place to do it What I've learnt now and I know how you feel about it I'll try to educate a new customer one time only so that will first time I tell him Not to do something or take this horse or whatever or don't you know tell by 30 years of experience If they don't do it I just smile and say you do whatever you want. I just make a mental note Clinton Don't fuck with them anymore. Don't try to educate them anymore Just if I want to spend the money take the fucking money and move on where before I used to try to keep educating them Keep helping them keep trying to save them money. I don't do that anymore. Fuck them if you don't want to listen up front For somebody it's got 30 years of experience doing this on how to make money and horses You can you can accuse me of a lot of things But you even my haters can say this motherfucker's good at making money. Yeah, that's unreal good at that I'm never gonna win the fraternity, but I sure can write a hell of a fucking check from the horse industry that part I'm real good at making money on horses So when they don't listen to me on that I just smile now and I just write them off I'm polite. I'll take the money But I don't try to help him one little bit because if you think you're gonna be smart of me when I've been doing this my whole Fucking career and you're gonna outsmart me on a deal. I'll let you think that but so many people don't listen or even when they call you And they tell you their situation so I do a lot of consulting now and They'll call you and tell you their situation and you can tell you can tell them like hey This is these are the ones I would sell. This is what I would do if I was trying to like basically let's turn the ship around Yes, and I tell them every time someone will take your money - Yeah. - Someone will take your money. - You're much too. - It could be an absolute piece of shit. Someone will take your money. - See, it's funny about the consulting. So I've been doing more of it the last couple of years and I actually enjoy it. - I do too. - I charge $500 an hour. And that just freaks people out that I would charge $500 an hour. - It saves them like 10 years. - It saves them thousands of dollars. - Yes. - Okay, and most of the time, I only need them for now. I can answer all their questions in an hour. We do it over Zoom call. I can answer all their questions. And I always tell them, I'm either gonna make you thousands of dollars in that hour or I'm gonna save you thousands of dollars or sometimes both, okay? So it's been very successful. And I actually enjoy doing it because it's mainly about making money, saving money, the horse industry. I don't do it over. Why does my horse bite me on the ass? I can't do training questions. I'm so burnt out on that shit. I don't do it over that. So it's gonna be business related, money related, stuff like that. And what's funny is, if they don't take my advice in a consulting call, I don't get upset about it because I was paid 500 for that hour. - Yeah. - For a friend. - Does that make sense? But when I'm giving out free advice and you're not paying me, and then you don't take the advice, I'm like, fuck you, that's the last free advice you get out of me. - Yeah. And it's crazy on the consulting stuff as, you know, 'cause I church 250 an hour. And it's really crazy because, can you imagine like when we were younger, what if we could have, if we could have, - Yes, talk to somebody like that. - Talk to the family industry. - Yeah, and it's funny because, you know, so I get a little bit of shit from peers and stuff over it. And I'm like, do you know what, awesome it would be to be able to like pick up the phone and just talk to somebody, and you know, and right now like I'm rodeoing. So like, I have lots of windshield time. So like I did one on the way here. You know, and I'm like, while I'm driving anyway, and I always love to see the other side because it does teach you a lot about people and about their perspective on things and how they, you know, it all ties back into my marketing and my stuff too. So I'm like, you're, you really are able to learn a lot from both sides and you're helping somebody save tons of them. I mean, I've had people like one lady called me and they wanted to take out a mortgage on their house to buy a stallion. And it was like, it had already been passed around a little bit. Like it was a whole, and I was like, do not do this. Like you are, it is not some grand money making scheme. Like you really got to have a niche market for this stuff. And I'm like, oh my gosh, like they're really, they're willing to put up their house for this. And you know that boat sink in. - Oh yeah, I had a guy, I'm not gonna say what industry is he that it could be raining, cutting, and chaos. I'm not gonna say what industry. I'm not gonna say the trainer's name didn't give me permission. But I had a trainer that started a subscription-based business like on my club. You know, I've got 10,000 members that pay me 40 bucks a month to be part of my club. That's how I make my money, okay? And he started a subscription-based horse training deal. He called me up. I told him how to do it, who to hire, websites, cameraman, I gave him 25 years of trade secrets for 500 bucks, okay? And I admired the guy for being humble enough to do it. When I got off the farm, my girlfriend said, she said, do you really give him that? I said, yeah. She said, this is amazing that you would actually give him 25 years worth of resources that I had to find these professionals, find these people. If I could have called up the number one guy in the clinician business 30 years ago and said, will you answer these questions honestly? Will you tell me how to do this and save me all the heartache, all the trouble, all the problems for 500 bucks? Fuck, I would have paid, I've had concerns before and paid him $2,000 an hour. And being happy to do it. Two grand an hour. And being happy to do it because they're saving me so much fucking money, it's not unbelievable. But what I find so amusing about the horse industry, when I first released the consulting part and I set a charge of $500 an hour, people lost their shit. Like I just stole their first born child. You know, it's kind of like the old joke. I don't know if you've heard this before. There's a guy that's got a factory and a very important piece of this equipment and this factory breaks down. Well, the whole factory is shut down. He can't produce what he needs. And he hides four or five mechanics to come in. And nobody can fix this piece of machinery. So finally, he hides another mechanic. And the mechanic comes in and looks around the machine and gets up on the neat the machine and sticks his hand up under there and feels something and kind of goes back to his toolbox and gets a screw and goes back under there and screws this little thing back in. And he says to the guy, hit the green button, see if it works now. He hits the green button and the machine starts up. So the guy goes over to his toolbox and gets out a receipt book and charges him $5,000 and hands it to the boss, the owner. And the boss says, what the fuck? He just charged me $5,000. He said, no, no, no, no, no. I charged you at $4,999 for the screw. And $4,999 for the 25 years of experience, it took me to know what the fuck was wrong with that machine. - For sure. - That's what people don't understand. Yeah, it was a dollar screw that fixed it. But he had five other mechanics that couldn't fix the motherfucker. - Yeah. - And how much money did he lose that week by not having that machine going? For me, it was always, I've always paid consultants to help me with my businesses. - It's a total mess. - I always have done that because I figured out when I came to America, you don't have to be the smartest guy in the world. You just have to be willing to hire the smartest people in the world. So any think that I wasn't good at and there was a lot that I wasn't good at, I just, whatever I could afford, I would afford the best person in that industry to get me what I wanted. - Yeah. - And it got me very quickly to go where I wanted it to go. Because why do I want to stumble around the fucking duck for? I don't. Now, as I got more money, I could hire better consultants, better people, better marketing, better everything. But if that was never a foreign concept to me, pay somebody that knows more than me to help me get to the finish line now. But oh my God, when I told people it's $500 an hour, they absolutely lost their shit. - And what do you think that is? What do you think the horse industry loses their shit about people making money? - It's so bad. So we really recently had this deal where, so my page is pretty crazy and my horse has got a zone fan club and it's amazing. And so we, we'll auction off some tax sets from the finals. Well, I have auctioned off two of them and one went for $7,600 and another one for $7,500. And people freak out. Like, and I'm just like, why don't you freak out? Like it's years and years and years of marketing and building a story and then going and doing all the things that I said I was gonna do and building this brand around this horse. And I'm like, and if somebody has the money and they want to spend it on that, cool. - Very much so. - Cool. God, I could, I signed the little ticket and I'll get to the little curb and the people who paid that, we're happy to pay it. - They were so excited. Made their day, yeah. - There's a lot of stigma and I've tried to change it with this podcast because we talk about money a lot on this podcast, okay? I wanted to change the culture in the Western industry to get rid of this fucking stigma about making money. But there was always this stigma, you couldn't talk about money. If you made money, you weren't for the horse. Like everybody wants you to die broken a single wide trailer because then you did it for the horse. - For trainers. - You know what I mean? It's like, I want to change the culture to celebrate making money, celebrate doing well in the horse industry, celebrate, get into retire with a decent bank account. - And how do you, like, I mean, how many do you know, how many trainers do you know that retire? And that was the thing. Like I was, when I did my console call that, he was a kid that he's one into train horses and the cow horse stuff. And we talked about that because I was like, you know, and I told him when I was younger, when I was in college, I went into the steel and then the girl was riding a bunch of horses and could afford air conditioning in her truck. And I was like, I'm not gonna be like this. - I was always scared to die alone and broke, especially the broke part, 'cause I'm not married and I don't have any children. So it's my money that's gonna keep me in a nursing home. Does that make sense? All jokes aside. It's my money that's gonna have take care of me when I get all, 'cause I don't have children, I don't have any family here. If everything goes the way it should, my parents would be long gone. I gotta rely on me. And I was always scared to be broke and fucking homeless. So I was always driven to make money because I knew that had to be my plan B to take care of myself. - Well, and I think even the flip side, so a slightly different angle for me. But you know, you see a lot of people that are in this and their husbands have a lot of money or they're financing it that way. And I was like, I never wanna be in a situation where-- - You're leveraged. - Yeah, I'm like, if I'm somewhere, it's 'cause I wanna be there. And if I wanna go buy something, I wanna just go buy it. And I think that that's such a great discussion for our industry because I get a lot of pushback on that. And for me, I'm like, okay, so, you know, last year I rode you out, the year before that I had Ficherti horses. I have audios who does great, before this, I had in 2020 at one of my first Ficherti marries, she won 240,000 her Ficherti year. And then after that, I had two more sets of the next two years. And they won about 100,000 between them, like not great, good horses, really good horses, but not like that weapon that I'm needing. And then I get to audios and I have him and another mayor that I'm running. And it makes me laugh 'cause I'm like, they told me that I need 10 horses to show up with 10 horses. and I need to ride for the public and I need to do, they tell me all these things that I need to do. And I'm like, but I had two horses. I won six hundred and a thousand. I was never tired. I enjoyed messing around with my horses. - And you could put a lot more time into them. - So much more time. - You can never out run a training barn, meaning that having too many horses, it's like a treadmill you can't get off. Because you never get through them all every day. So you're always behind all the time. And you're always hot, if you like training horses, you're always slightly pissed off because horse trainers want to go to bed at night, feeling like you got something done. But when you want to get three quarters of the barn ridden every day and the next day you're playing catch up and the next, it weighs you down. So you can't out run it. Let's back up a little bit here. You get out of college, you've got a job. What happens now? How long did you do this construction job? - So the first one about a year. And I had actually worked for another company when I was in college. So at this time that stud is getting more popular, I'm figuring out some of the marketing and stuff. So like-- - What was that horse's name? - Strict and little Wayne. - Okay. - And so we actually-- - It doesn't mean to be ignorant, but I don't follow the ball race before. - We still own him. But a kid rides him. It's been riding him for pretty well ever now. But he books I think 85 mirrors. - So did you have some success with that horse? - Yeah, I mean, like not a ton at that time because I had sent him to somebody else. And so when you send your horses off, sometimes they don't come back where you need him to come back or whatever. So I had to kind of fix some of that stuff. And then at this time though, one of the breeding farms that he had been at was like it had sold or something. And so everyone was encouraging me to go take a breeding course. And I like just do it yourself. And he was a pretty easy stallion for that stuff. And so I ended up going to CSU taking a breeding course and then we stood him ourselves. And so at that time, I was like, I asked that company if I could go part time because I'm gonna make more than my whole salary just breeding mirrors now. - And-- - So he must have won-- For you to get 85 man's bread a year, he must have won enough to where somebody wanted to breed to this horse, correct? Or what made me-- - Good marketing. - Oh, just good marketing. - Okay, fair enough. Yeah. - Yeah. - So like, I think it's the potential of what he could do. And he won all he's 185,000. So he's not a think. But he, and he's with the kid, the kid's won way more than I had did on him though. And-- - Way better. - This way better fit for the kid. 'Cause I never loved him. I thought he was a really good horse, but I didn't love how he felt in the style and stuff is just not my preference. And so I got hired on at the company I work for in college part time. Well, so I worked there for another year and I still really enjoy all that stuff. Well, then COVID hits. - Okay. - Well, then everything is pretty well remote and on, you know, so then at this time I'm able to really ride because I'm working remotely. - Which means you're not working at all bitch. - So I can do everything at any time and submit it all. You know, like I was way better. I was way better time for me to do that. 'Cause then I could ride during the day and then just get everything submitted in the evenings and I didn't have to worry about it. - Fair enough. - So when I got that mayor though, that was my three times the fury mayor. - Okay. - And so that was the first one. - So where did you buy her from? Okay, so let's slow down a little. You have fucking jumping all over the place here. So I'm trying to backtrack to your first horse that you have any real success. - That would be her. - Okay. - Her name again was what? - Three times the fury. - Yep. - A fury. Okay, did you buy her as a young horse? How did you get her? Tell us how this came about. - So this is a fun story. So prior to this, I had still had a lot of really nice horses but couldn't ever afford to keep one. - From the public, correct? - Yeah, and even a couple of my own. - Okay. - But like I had to sell one for pay for college and then I had to pay sell one because I couldn't afford to better. And you know, just that kind of thing. So I'm trying to get better horses but I'm not able to still afford to keep anything. So the three times the fury I saw, so I'm very big on pedigrees and I had been really studying and I had had some horses that I bought like as projects that were bred this specific way. So they were by fury of the wind, race horse dying. - Okay. - And I saw that ranch posted some kind of giveaway contest or whatever, Walt, this lady commented on the comments saying that she had a fury out of a trace-ace mare and I was like, this is the cross I think I need to win on. - Okay. - So I messager and I'm teller, I wanna buy yours. That's not for sale, of course. So she's like, I don't wanna sell it. And so anyway, I'm not real good at taking no for an answer so I'm like still convinced I'm buying this horse. So I'm like, well just price it. You know, it's not for sale, it's not for sale. Well I keep bugging her. Well if somebody tells her like, hey, like this girl really wants to buy your horse and like she's gonna ride it, she's gonna try it. You know, like she's serious. And so anyway, I finally convinced her to sell the horse and then I remember because I mailed her a check, it was close to my birthday. - Did you have them, not that you have to disclose numbers, you can if you want, but did you actually have the money to pay for this horse? - Yeah, you still broke. - Are you still broke or what are you saying? - I'm still broke. - Yeah, so I, and she was, stayed one at 17.5 for, okay, but at the time, I'm buying them off the race track and stuff right now for like $2,535, $4,500. So this is a big step by you. - Big step for the horse, but also it's like four times what I've been buying them for. - Yep. - And so I rationalized this in my brain somehow because it's almost my birthday. So I was like, this is just, you know, one day. - Why let's, why let's some good lodging get and why I have some good emotions? - Yeah, emotions cost money, I say that all the time. So I was like, okay, well, - Say that one more time, what was it again? - Emotions cost money. - They fucking, God damn, that's funny. I love that. - So I always say that, you know, in this sense, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna justify it this way or that way, whatever. And I just had this like gut feeling I needed this horse, which hindsight worked out really well. - Yeah, of course it did, I'm not shitting on you. I just think it's funny. - So I get this horse or whatever. - So she's a year-end how old is she? - She's two. - Two year-old, started, unstarted. - So Rodney has started. - Who's Rodney? - I just started getting with Rodney in South Dakota. - Okay, so you buy it, but she's a year-end when you buy it. - Two year-old. - Two year-old, but not ridden yet. - She's got like 90 days on. - 90 days, two year-old, 90 days of Rodney, okay. So you bring it home, what happens? - Also, I mail Amy a tag, this is a shim-kee ranch, and they're a big part of my story. So they, I mail them a tag, well she don't cash it. Like, so I'm waiting, like weeks. Hey, you can cash this check or what? Well, you know, she got like a little nick on her legs of like, if you don't want her. - If I haven't sent you the horse yet? - No, 'cause it's like winter time in South Dakota. - So the horses at the break is. - Yeah, and they live out there too. - South Dakota. - Okay, so the horse is the way getting ridden by someone. - Full of blown winter. - So she's home, I get a pillow. - So you didn't even see this horse in person? - No. - You just border off a photo. - I'm like, I have to have this horse, I know. Crazy woman. Okay, so. (laughing) - Are you into astrology too? - Not really. - I'm just fucking with you, but keep going. So you buy the horse, side on scene, don't ride it. No video, just have a photo. - Yes. - Okay, but you've got the feels. - Your pussy's wet as fuck, you got the feels over the whole thing, you gotta have it. - I got to have this horse today. - Ride it, fair enough. - I'm a horse industry. - Well, she looks like a giraffe. Like she-- - So they ship it to you, or you go up there? - No, they ship her down, and I was out of town at the time. So I had a friend go and meet him and like, back her wheel to pick her up or whatever at some farm. And I mean, she's two, and she's probably like 15-3, and she's about like this wide, and then I laugh, 'cause I'm like, so we hold her down the winter, while she gets pneumonia. So then my vet comes out, they shave her ribs and stuff to like be able to alter sound her stuff. She didn't be in fire, but she just had gotten sick, and then she had to sell you a lot of us on that leg from that cut. So I mean, she looks like a freaking giraffe. - So you're not real impressed when you first get your eyes on. Are you still in love at first sight? - So like, I'm not real impressed, but I know that I'm supposed to have this damn horse. - Okay, fair enough. The universe is still speaking to you. - All my friends are like, what are you doing over here? And I'm like, so forever and ever and ever, my friends make fun of me, 'cause all the time shit will be going terribly wrong. And I'm like, it'll be fine. That's what I say. You can print it on a t-shirt. - It'll be fine. - The Nile. - It's gonna run. - It's gonna run with the ship. It's gonna be fine. It's gonna be fine. - So I get her and she looks like a giraffe and like, and I joke, so I have her and then I have a couple other ones that I bought from Copper Springs. This, and they're all two year olds. And so I start riding all these two year olds. Well, my other two year olds. - Have you quit your construction dub yet? - Nope, I'm still working for a time for their construction company. - But we're in COVID now, correct? - Yes. - We're getting through all this stuff or like not quite to COVID, but like getting close to it. So I'm convinced that I need this horse and you'll laugh like as a trainer because I used to always say like, I still would always pick her. But even though the other ones always looked like they did it better. And I used to say she does all the right things at the wrong time. And so like when that comes together, you could just feel it like it was she was gonna be, you know. - So when you start a rod and not, will you happy with the way she rode? - Yeah, she's an asshole, but yeah. - But you felt things that you liked there, I suppose is what I'm asking. - A lot of natural talent. - Yeah, that's what I'm getting at. - Bigot, bigot. - She didn't impress you to look at her, but when you started riding her, did you get happier? - Well, and she turned into a moose by the end of the day, she used like big giant, pretty beautiful race horse, you know. And so I get her going, well, we're gonna have to go. we get kind of towards the end of her three year old year, like middle three year old year, and I wanna buy a soft horse. So do you know, your slot races are? - Not really, no. - So it's a $5,000 entry fee. There's 50 entries. A winner takes $100,000. - That's it, no second place, no third place. - Did you pay, like, I think they pay like eight holes, generally, but I mean, it's like $100,000, then it's like $30,000, and-- - Big jump, then. - Yeah. - Five grand gets you one run and it's a battle race. - But it's only first time horses. - That are never run before. - Nothing's ever run before. - So it's-- - Even at like your local deal, even at a local horse show, or-- - These are like the big ones that kick off the future of the year. So they're, it'll, it'll, it'll end up being their very first run. - Okay, fair enough. - And so it's-- - Is that a little bit of an honor system, or jokes aside, like can people cheat that, or is it a bit of an honor system? - I don't think it could now, 'cause it's just social media. - Yeah, okay, somebody had fucking right to it. - Before following the good horses. - Yes, fair enough. - Okay, so it's basically a maiden. It's first time they've ever been really run. And this is the end of their three year old year. - Yes. - Now, is that common to run 'em at the end of their three year old year? That's typically way like-- - It's kicking off their four year old season. - Okay, so we're like November, December of their three year old year, correct? They haven't quite turned four by January, correct? So just like the continuity, right? In fraternity, you guys are showing them in your fraternities at the end of their three year old year. - Yes. - Okay, so if they've had 20 to 24 months of riding basically, almost two years of training. - Yeah. - Okay, so you buy a slot because you think she's that good? - I think she's that good. - Fair enough. - And so-- - Was far-grant hard for you to come up with? Like, did you have to put your body on the floor? - Actually, there were three of us that went in on this slot. - Three of you. - Yes. - Okay. - So we buy the slot and then we go, and it's really funny because at this time, I had sold her to a customer. - Okay, when did you sell it to a customer? - I would say probably like October, so-- - Oh, the three year old or two year old year? - Three year old year. - You keep the whole time through. You're still getting a good feeling about this horse. This is the real deal, et cetera. Are people trying to buy this horse from you? Are you showing it to people? Are you actively trying to sell it? - No, really. - Yeah, no. But mostly, I would say, everything's always for sale. - Of course it is. - So I think for, especially at that time. - Yeah. - And I was like, well, we're gonna sell all of them eventually anyway. So this was the best one that I had. - So you had a customer that wanted to buy from you? - Yes. - And leave it with you. Was that part of the deal that you got to show her and compete on it? - Yeah. And so it's funny because the first time that she watched her work was at the slot race, so they have the exhibitions. So I go in and I, you only get one exhibition at these deals and it's like 60 seconds, so you don't have a lot of time. And she turns the first barrel and I'm like, cruising it kind of coast in her cross the pin and she ducks the second barrel. Which is like-- - It means cut in before. - Before, like doesn't turn it, yeah. - Okay, slow down here. Slow down your barrel racing shit, okay? You mean when you say ducks it turns before the barrel-- - Before the barrel. - So the bat, so-- - Turns the first barrel doesn't turn the second barrel. - Okay, turns before it, basically. Rather than go around it, it turns in before-- - Which is like a horrible habit for a bear horse. - Okay. - And this bear had never done that ever. - So this catches you off guard. - Oh, because you have 60 seconds. - Yeah. - So you're not fixing it now. - Yeah. - And you're just like, cool, well, that was fun. There's a lot of confidence coming into the show now. - When she did that to you, did you just go into the third barrel? Did you go back to the first one starting? - I think I would try to circle her back and then just went to the third, but you just don't have a lot of time. So you're, that's it. You're just like, cool, I hope she's trained. So you come out or whatever. So then I'm having to tell the customer like, (laughing) - She's never done this before. - Customs like sure. - Really loud, we ponyed up five grand. (laughing) - So you're also a little tight coming out of that reed. - Oh, yeah. - You're a little pocket out. - I'm like, oh, great. So, and then it's prior to this, this is where, so for me and my page and all the things, this is where the manifesting the goals really come about was was why. Because so like, at that time, I was like, I want to mayor that's 100,000 or 200,000 or like some, 100,000 was just like the number. I want a horse that's $100,000. And that's gonna be like the matriarch of my breeding program. So this is what I think I wanna do. So I say that, before I run or anything, I'm like, I'm gonna win $100,000 on my fraternity horses here. Like, this is what I'm gonna do. Okay, fast forward. So we enter the slot race. Well, Cassie is, you know, Cassie Maori. - No. - Not at all. - I'm not heard of the night guy. - Okay, Cassie's awesome. - Yeah. - Or a winner on any horse. I joke she could win a ride a billy go and beat us. - Oh, she's part of the three girls that have the, is she part of the girls that the three girls that have the online training thing? - No, because I don't think she does any. - Okay. - Anything like that. - Fuck it, I'll meet us later. - That's Joleen and Ashley and Joy. - Yes, okay. - 'Cause they have supposed to be on the podcast here coming up. - Oh, that'll be fun. - Yeah, and I don't know you girls, but I'll figure it out. But anyway, keep going. - So Cassie runs in there is a really fast time. - I think she runs like a 15-4, which is crazy fast for a three year old. And that's first run. That's really fast at Oklahoma City. - So they have to be three. They can't be four correct. - Is there all the same age? - All three. - Yeah, all three year olds, all first time run. And so I'm towards the end. And I remember in the back, they kind of made a comment about the barrels and I guess the barrels are like plastic and everybody's like, you just need to be safe. Well, that mayor was so aggressive that like, if I was gonna be safe, I would just kick over all three barrels. Like, you're not gonna be safe on that mayor. And so, anyway, I saw a guy, I said, "I'm in there and freaking pitch a tour." And she, Hall's ass, doesn't duck, thankfully. She runs a two in there of 15-2. So she puts two tenths on the field. When's the saw raise for 75,000? So, that was amazing. - And the customer already owned it by this point. - Yes. - Okay. So she's happy now. - Oh, everybody's thrilled. Yeah. And then I come back and they have what's called like a rookie for charity, which is just three-year-olds again. So she comes back in there. She makes-- - Same horse show with different horse. - Same horse show. So they, so it's hard because like, a lot of times when you do the saw raise, you still have to make two rounds of the for charity. Three runs on a three-year-old in a weekend is a lot. Like, you gotta really have it together. So she come back, she made, I think she ran a four and a five. She ends up reserve in the rookie for charity. So in one weekend, she made $89,000. Well, now $100,000 sounds so far. - Yeah. - Right. - I'm like right there. And I'm like, then you kinda have that moment. You're like, maybe I can do this. - Yeah, that's awesome. - You know. And so-- - So let me ask you a quick question real quick. In the barrel-hacing industry, like in cutting, rainy, and cow horse, it's very common as an industry standard that the trainers get 50% of the price money. What is the industry standard in the barrel for as well? 50% of the price. Okay, I just wondered how much-- - Yep. - On the floor race, it was a third because it was three of us, the pony to the floor race. - Yeah, good enough. Okay. - So she does really good there. And then I laugh because I went to another Ficherti a couple weeks later. And she ducked again in her damn exhibition. - Okay. - And then she won both rounds of that Ficherti and then won that. Anyway, she won on, she-- That was my first like real Ficherti horse. And she won a ton of-- - What did she do for your confidence? What did she do for your training? What did that horse do for you? Because every trainer has one horse that kind of puts them on the map, you know what I mean? Or at least makes them believe like, yeah, fuck you, I can do this. What did she do for you? - She, I think she was great because she got my name out there for the Ficherti side, you know, on that part. As far as the trainer, she was a great horse for me because I think you really had to learn how to get along. You weren't going to make her do anything. She had a big QG go. She was a big mare anyway. I was joking. She'd like smoke you down and stuff. Like she was freaking naughty. But like hammer down. Like when you were, you knew, if you kept the barrels up, you were, you were going to win or get a check for sure. Like if she could win inside, outside, big pin, little pin, it didn't matter. Like she was just, and would handily put two tents on the field multiple times. She did like big time clock. So she just was such a cool horse that you like, you learned how to kind of get along with her because she just had that big crazy ego, you know. As I went for that year. - But that's your first big win really in the barrel horse and horse. - Yes, for sure. Yeah. And then as I kind of like went on with her. So that's a year I really learned that I used to say that if I had a like a different styles of horses, I used to be of the mentality that I need to be a better rider. I need to be a better jockey. I need to figure it out. Well, you think that until you're sitting on a horse that can really win and you see $100,000 barrels down because your timing is slightly off from trying to ride on these other horses or having to grab an outside rain or having to do things that are undimensional, then you're messing up the one that you really could have won everything on. And so I tried to really learn that lesson as well of not riding things that weren't going to help me win on what could win. - Yeah. Hi everyone. My name is Michael Myola. My wife Michelle and I own and run the fabulous Silver Spars Ecoin breeding centers located in Persello, Oklahoma and Scottsdale, Arizona. We specialize in making your Ecoin dreams come true. true by breeding the finest American quarterhorses in the world. You know, finding that special horse, the one that speaks to your soul is what Silver Spurs is all about. 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Customers going to be happy, they just want to shit tall a money, your other two people you're conned in to pay for the slot, they're happy, everybody celebrate. For sure. What did this win do for your career? Obviously it gave you a boost confidence wise that hey I can go compete with these other girls etc. What did it do for you business wise? Did you get better horses? Did you get better customers? Did you take that money and buy better horses? What do you think that was, was that a bridge to something else? I think just, I think at this time too I'm still thinking that eventually I don't want to ride for the public so always I'm working towards that. So I think the way to do that is to keep reinvesting in horse power. They always say ride the best red horse you can afford so like trying to kind of get up into that stuff. So during about the middle of this year. You quit your day job on your own. So technically I never actually quit that job? What I'm saying is you're not doing that anymore. So like I'm just like phasing out. So that guy that shout out Tony that runs that company his daughter braw raised and so I think he kind of knew who's coming and I started like winning a lot and then you know I'm like on the cover of the magazines and stuff and he's like this checking and work for us for a long time. So I think like just I would joke because I'm like technically I like never actually quit that job but just kind of like stop happening. Stop sending you money through the mail. Pretty much. Okay fair enough. When they needed something I would just submit it for them or do whatever like that. Just less and less. It just ain't that don't have it we said it on good terms. It was good. Yeah we're still talking. Good deal. So at that point you take the money what where does your career go from here? Where are you? Where are you? What do you do? Still trying to figure out how to make money in horses. So just thinking that I want to do the maturity stuff you know full time and then I'm like at this point I'm like okay maybe I can do this. Like maybe I can compete at this level. Be this fast and try to kind of keep buying prospects. So at that time I'm starting to still buy. Where are you training out of? Where are you training these horses from? So I do have your own place. Are you at leasing stalls? What are you wearing? Leasing stalls. I still lease the same barn that I've been out for a long time. So I laughed because I actually met them through working for lane because they used to buy asphalt and stuff from us. And so I just lease like their barn and I'm their ag exemption and I call it my overflow parking. And so I have like broodmars and stuff over there still. I'll be there till they kick me out of here. But just like riding in the field, hauling the ride. Like I still don't have an arena or and that was the coolest thing is like to come from nothing and just you know go ride it friends and I mean it's fun on the flip side now because so many of those people were so helpful and like I feel like now I can give back to them. Like they can come ride anytime or like I have a salt spa like use this use this spa do whatever. Like yeah. I'm so thankful for them to like make sure that I could ride. And the moral of the story so far is is Trishers is that you're not letting your lack of opportunity be an excuse while you don't move forward. Never. And that's what I see a lot of comments on social media is horses are got so expensive I can't play the game. Yes you can play the game. Yeah. It may not be at the level you want to be now, but start somewhere. Start somewhere and build your way up. You're not letting your you're not letting your lack of funds or lack of opportunity say I can't do this. That's the key that people need to fucking take from this. Yeah. Okay. So you buy some more prospects. What do you do? Let's move on. Yeah. So I keep you know keep going on her. She has a really good year towards the end of the year of a four year old year. Or four year old year. She gets her the faturities only as a fertility only for three year olds. What do they call four year old year in the box? It's a maturity. So the three year old is technically like the start of the season. And then you would end the season at that same show. I'll be so be so November of their four year old year. Yes. Okay. So faturity is basically November of their three year old year to November of their four year old year. That's what they quote unquote call the faturity. Yes. Okay. And so to go through there as she got her at the end of the year. And so she had to have surgery, stop all surgery and stuff. And so at this time I pretty much have like the next group ready to go, which is still a good group of horses, but just not you know, I think we won like 85,000 on one of them and like 40,000 on the other. So like now I have you have your own established training techniques now. Are you feeling you're finding your way as far as how you're finding your style yet? I think definitely, definitely finding my style in just fine. I think this is kind of where I'm starting to transition of like before this, I think I had them a little too broke. And then I think just kind of like figuring out where exactly I wanted them to be, but also so between sway and audio. So I have a lot of like really nice horses, but so do I don't have that weapon, but I learned with sway like, okay, these are things that I would have done different. Like I was so freaking hard for me to place an average on her. And an average is where the money is. It doesn't matter if you win the round, like you need to hit the averages. Like that's how you're going to really get ahead on the horse. And so, so like moving forward, I had those other horses, well, they were nice, but they just weren't like as aggressive out the gate. They did end up making really nice horses and Fallon runs one of them now that was in that two years after. So is your barn split between half the horses you own and half customer zone? How are you paying the bills? Probably around that. And I have it this time. I have the stallions still the still the string a little way. Yeah. So you're breeding some bears with me. Yeah, but the kids right now. Okay, but it's getting some income coming off that. Yeah. I'm just trying to figure out how you survive and how you're putting your bills. Except in at this time, I'm really starting to focus on the social media. So I'm trying to figure out how to build that community that is going to grow to what it does today. So just just figuring out the marketing standpoint of that. And I think that that really stemmed from me being kind of sour to our industry. Like I have a very probably skewed perspective of that because even growing up like I you know, we didn't have any money, but like we didn't have any money for anything or we went without because the horses got that kind of thing. So I've always had like even through high school like the barn and stuff. It just it didn't ever make money. And so like you when you I think when you're raised like that, you're like, okay, well, how do I do this? Some sort of different because what the standard is doesn't work. And so I think I think I've seen so many people get like screwed over on horses and bad horse deals and I spent $10,000 on my kids high school rodeo horse. And this is every time I have and it's like crippled a cell and not worth $500. You know, and just seeing that over and over and over. So at this time, I'm really starting to do my write ups. So that's kind of how my social media started. When you say write up some sort of a blog, what yeah, kind of like a blog. So like where I whatever it is that is annoying me. So some some some subject is pissing you off. You write a letter and post it on Facebook. Yes. And so I start like sharing or like like, you know, these are 10 things that you could do to make sure that you're not getting screwed over by a trainer or, you know, these are things you're not gonna want. - So they're educational rates. - Yes, and like, you know, these are reasons why we use a vet or this, you know, a big thing in our industry is lay six. So like I talk about lay six, not, not 'cause I think everybody in the sun should use it, but it's one of those conversations that nobody's having. - Okay, I'm gonna have it now. This is how green I am about your world. What are lay six and what do you do with them? - We'll get it so much trouble for this one. - That's why it's called the non-conrail rule. - So a lot of times with the race horses or bare horses, they have a deal where they'll bleed in their lungs from running. So, you know, horses are mechanical breeders with, you know, every stride in and out. Well, their capillaries are not very strong, so they're bust sometimes. The thing is, is like, in our sport, we don't-- - And they'll have some blood come out, they know. - They could, yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, which, and even if they have a speck of blood, that's the worst case scenario. - Okay. - So that's like the worst of it. - Right, so it's very minute. - So like, on a one through 10 scale, one through nine, you would not see. - Okay. - 10 is the speck of blood. - Oh, sure, okay. - So just for people to get an idea of it, we're not talking about fucking gallons of blood coming out of their nose. - No, it could even just be really low. And it can be from literally any reason. It could be that they have allergies or stress or they maybe they're a little painful. - Okay, so I get that part. So when I'm asking myself now, and my mind is who gives a fuck? Like what's the problem? - So it's a huge deal because-- - Why is it a huge deal? - Because I think just from maybe the racetrack and it has like some bad publicity for us, it's really cheap. It's really common. A lot of trainers-- - What license? So you give 'em license to stop 'em bleeding? - Yeah. - Okay, that's, I'm uneducated in this story. So you give this drug IV, and it's supposed to stop 'em bleeding. Is that correct? - Yeah, so it's a diuretic. And so it's just gonna make the blood volume less. - Okay. - So that it's, they actually, I don't, from anything I've read, they actually don't exactly know why it helps other than that, but it is something that's like the only thing that is proven to help. - Okay, so next thing has gone through my mind as a newbie at learning this, is if it's a small amount of blood to like a speck, who gives a fuck? Is it a rule that says they can't have-- - It could be, if it works, well when they bleed, they start getting scar tissue in their lungs. - I come, I'm trying to figure out what the negative is of bleeding. - So like, then it can end up being really bad. A lot of times people have no clue they're bleeding, and then it can cause like necrosis and stuff, and it's like, it could be really, it could be actually a little bit worse. - Okay, so if the bleeding continues, it can get-- - They lose the elasticity. - Okay, it gets worse. God tissue gets worse and worse. Okay, so you're trying to stop the bleeding for that. It's not necessarily a rule. - No, and all horses bleed, but when you're paying all this money for injury fees and all these things, and like it to me, costs like a couple bucks to give a shot. - Okay, so I'm failing to see the controversy here. - Oh, because you're giving a drug. - Oh, fuck them. - I know. - Last time I went to the dentist, motherfucker gave me a drug. I had my big toe ingrow toenail taken out two weeks ago, motherfucker drug me. (laughing) You know what I mean? The fucking dumbest shit. Last time my horses had their teeth done. Last time my horses had their fucking teeth done, their head was on the ground too, 'cause they were drug the fuck up. - Yeah. - This is how stupid these dumb bitches on the internet are. I swear to God. - So it's a little bit of, you know, there's a whole group of people that think you shouldn't run on anything at all, and then there's a group of people that think you should run on all kinds of things. I'm probably somewhere in the middle. - Yeah. - I want to take a scientific approach, also training approach. So like a lot of times problems with barrel horses stem from them bleeding, or like from ulcers, or whatever. So like if they start bleeding, they might start doing weird stuff in the end. They'll stop running. They might duck barrels. Like I mean, it could just be, they might be really bad at coming out. - If there's no blood coming out of a horse's nose, how can you tell they're bleeding? Do you scope them? - And that tells you straight away. - Yeah, you can, but there's some studies even though because diagnostics is so far behind in horses, so like they could be bleeding like way in the back of their lungs. We don't have anything diagnostically capable to know. And so I think that would do a BL really good long walk. - It's scoping a very expensive procedure. Is it kind of like checking for ulcers? It's 300 bucks at eight. - It's probably cheaper than that. I have about 50 bucks. - Okay, so it's not, it's something you can check readily. - Anybody can. - It's relatively cheap to check. It's not cost in thousands of dollars to check it. So again, in my mind, I'm thinking no big fucking deal here. Check the fucking horse four times a year if you want. Who gives a fuck? - Yeah. - I'm trying to figure out where the controversy is. Basically, the LASIX is an insurance policy to help cut back the chances of them bleeding, correct? - Yes. - And I'm still having trouble figuring out where the controversy is. - So. - What am I missing here? - I think it's just people, I honestly think most of it is like from them getting a shot. If you actually look up like the actual uses for LASIX, I mean, in people and stuff like that, I mean, you're giving it to like heart failure patients and stuff, so it's relatively safe. But whether you think you should run it on a drink, you shouldn't run it on a drink. - I don't care. - My horse is adequate too. - Yeah, I mean, like whatever you want to give him is fine, but I just think that we don't talk about it. So if we don't have a conversation about it, who is Betty Broerster asking? Somebody at their trailer, somebody that doesn't know, and that's what I was seeing and so many of these-- - Like I thought the controversy was something like LASIX is like some fucking cocaine would make these motherfuckers run faster or some shit like that. So you're basically giving it as an insurance policy as a prevention. - I'm not sure policy as a preventative. Just like I give adequate to protect the joints. Just like I put my horses in the spiral every day to protect the joints. I'm doing anything like KEN to keep out arthritis, swelling, inflammation, anything like that. I'm gonna do everything I fucking KEN to prevent a problem from happening. - Yes, and I think too for me, because this is obviously under the guidance of my performance vets, which is really important because there's a big difference in vets out there. - Of course there is. Yes, there's a big difference between the cow bet and the guy that nudish the barn cat to an actual vet that deals with performance forces every day. Not all vets are equal, just like not all doctors are equal. And I've had vets look at the exact same set of fucking X-rays on a pre-purchase and walk away with completely different interpretation of what they saw. - Big time. - So you can't just-- - And you learn that on the sales. - Very much so. - You have to be really careful what vets you're using, because they seem to fall into two categories. Well, actually, if you really want to do it, most horse trainers, this is the part they won't say out loud. Most horse trainers have two vets. It's like having two girlfriends. You never want them to talk, okay? You have one vet that you use to sell a horse. And there's another vet you use to fucking buy a horse, because those two vets are completely different. Because the guy that will vet a horse to sell, he's going to be the least to give a fuck. We can manage that, we can inject that. That's not a big deal. I don't think there's anything to worry about. Then the other motherfucker over here, he's going to make a big deal out of nothing. I mean, he will be frightened to death to pass anything that has a blemish on a joint whatsoever. I think the real fucking truth is Trisha, in my opinion, the right vet somewhere in the middle. - Yeah. - It's somewhere between those two extremes is the right vet. And you can go a while before you find that right there. - I have that vet. - Yes, I do too. - We're like, he's comfortable managing whatever, but he's also not going to let me buy something that's a problem. - Yes. - You know, and so I think, you know, just trying to get through the hard conversations or even just routine vetting. There's still people out there that freak out if you got to inject their hawks. - Yes. - And it's like, I think it's different when you're a trainer because you likely talk to your vet so much more. So I mean, I talk to them every week. We have an appointment on Friday. - Yeah. - Like, all the time we're talking to the vet or any little thing, or, you know, I feel really bad for my vets now with the stud 'cause it'll be like a hair out of place. And I'm like, "But can you look at him?" - Yeah. - But I think that just, there's just this whole stigma online about things that we are not supposed to talk about. - What else is, while we're breaking the mold, what else are you not supposed to talk about in the bowel lesson world? - Definitely money, I would say, is a big one. Like, you know, and that's it. - Like training bills, prize money, but it's a bit tricky. - It's from, I think people are starting to finally charge a little bit more for training. You know, it's the same in any industry. I really feel like, you know, and I got on a deal the other day. And I was, say, I shared like your deal and then they were talking about that. And I commented. - You may mean my rant about T-tone? - Yeah, and I commented on this deal. And I was like, I don't know how to tell you all this, but like horses are a luxury based business. I don't have to ride a horse. You don't have to ride a horse. Nobody has to have a horse to eat. - Yes. - No one has to have a horse. So I'm like, I feel like there's this huge stigma around money, but it's like the weirdest thing because it's literally a luxury item. It's like buying a yacht, you know? And now in horses, you can have all levels of that. It's still a luxury. - Yes, it is. - At any stage. - Yeah, even at the lower end, yes. It's much cheaper to have a dog or cat. (laughs) - And so I'm like, it's really crazy to me because I feel like that we have just such a bad image of anybody making a living. - Yes they do, especially getting rich in the horse industry. - Which is like super taboo. And so I think on this end of it, on this side, this is where I get a little more heat, I think, from that point. is because I think this is the part where people see where I was and then see where I'm going. And then that's where it's a little bit of a disconnect I feel like between. But what's, you know, the craziest thing about that is that when you talk to like minded people, like when I talk to people that make way more money than I do, like it's not weird to talk about money. Not at all. It comes up all the time. All the time. Or like things or you can just ask someone kind of leave some question and they'll just be like, oh yeah, don't do that. I lost a lot of money. Yeah. Or do it this way instead. Well, people happily talk about money to their friends because you are who you hang around. Well, people hang around wealthy people. Gangsters hang out with gangsters. Four people hang out with poor people. Yeah. If you want to have money, hang around people with money. You'll pick up everyone to be better than me. Yes, more money than you, etc. Yes, I agree with that. That's the only way I think to get where you want to go. Yeah. Okay, let's back up a little bit. You get this man, your next maturity year, just kind of average, nice enough horses, but nothing real good. Let's move on. What happens next? So then somewhere in this whole, I think in 2020, mid 2020 is when I buy audios. Okay. That's the Palomino stud that you're famous for. You buy him where? Where do you see this horse? So on Facebook. Where else? Where will my fucking hang out Facebook? And it's so funny because I actually bred Detroit says that year. And so I have a tray says cold on the ground. Now is that a real popular bar on the side? He's a race horse. He's a race horse. Yeah. So very popular. Codahorse racing, correct? Yes. Not as much in the barrel racing yet. Really has some really big winners though already. But it's still big in racing. So he's a little bit of a trickier one at this time because you're still competing with barrel horses aren't bringing enough money yet. The stud fee on them's like $8,000, which is high for Codahorse. And then you're competing with race horse people still to buy one. Okay. Right. So I breed to him. I have one on the ground. And I see audios on Facebook. God as a wienling wienling. And I'm convinced that I have to have you. You got the feels again. You're like you're pots and you've got to have worked out really well the last time. I got the night. So did you at least get to see the horses. I went and looked at him. Yeah. So it's funny because I went up there and I think I was going to get some receipts or something at a neighboring place or drop something off. And I went and looked at him and they I think they wanted like 30,000 for him. And I was like I have $25,000 like that is this is what I have. And I talked to the late Jerry Bailey and he and I was like I know I'm not anybody right now but like I I will give him a shot like I'm looking for a stud prospect like I want to raise one because I had had some other ones that were monsters because your buy them is like your long year lens that are fed but never not handled right. So they suck. And then I'm like this one I'm going to buy him I'm going to turn him out with all my merits because I'm over it at this point. And I was like we're going to get educated from the beginning and roll on with it. And so anyway he shook my hand he's like load him up like I will do this. And he's a wienland. He's a wienland. Okay right. I'll show you buy him. You got the feels and the whole I kick him out with all my rude manners. Okay fair enough. Yep. And I'm like see you in a couple of years. Yeah. So I kick him out and just I think I think at this point I had had enough like pretty naughty stallions that I was like I'm done with the bullshit. It's either he's going to get right out there and they're going to teach him or I don't want to own him as a stallion. You know and for me I always look at it from the marketing side so I was like can I sell a Palemino Gelding to your old for 25,000 like if I just lose my time. Yes. Would I be okay on that? Yes. That's what I thought. So that's why I bought him. And at that time there weren't any other colored stallions buy trace. They still weren't very popular yet in the barrel racing. So I was he out of a barrel racing man. A Frenchman's guy. Okay. His mother win any money in barrel racing. She didn't but she had produced quite a bit. I bought winners in the barrel racing. Okay. Right. And so I had really liked what I had seen out of that mirror because historically I'm not a very big fan of that lineage. Not for any rate. Just I haven't personally got along with them very well. You know and so but this mirror I had everything I saw out of her was really nice like really showed a lot of promise and some you know three or four big winners. So I was like our head this is what I want to try to kind of go on with. So then he's at home hanging out and then this is kind of where I'm like gearing up more of the social media like trying to still ride horses trying to get more towards myself. So at this time I'll have training horses but only if I sold it to you. Okay. So kind of then we kind of went so I was like well this will be good because then I can I'm buying well I think I can do good on and then client and you'll kind of hand picking the customer at least at least screening and screening the customer right. And so then then I'm like well these are horses I want to ride anyway but now they're off my bill. Yes. And so and then I know are you selling those horses a little bit of a discount for that to try to get them in the barn. Yeah because I've done that before. I'll still do it. I'll sell a horse for close to cost what I've got in it. Yeah. If I get to keep it in the barn and I get and I get to pick who the customer is. Yeah. I fuck I'll ride one for free. If it's a customer I like and it's a fucking horse I want to ride I'll ride it for free any day of the week. Yeah. Because the two biggest pain in the asses are eliminated. Who owns it? Yes. And is it a nice horse? Yes. Very much so. Okay. So you're happy to cut a deal for the right person to come along and purchase the right horse that leaves it with you. Yes. Are you doing contracts with these people to make sure they do leave them with you? Is that a kind of handshake deal? Yeah more handshake. Fair enough. Yeah. And I think at this because so what was happening already is I was always selling them at the end of their four year old year anyway. Yeah. So then I just basically just took that part out. Yeah. Good good business deal. Yeah. 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How many can you ride a day and do a good job? Oh so kind of went through a little bit of stages so I would say probably between like six and ten and ten or twelve at the most. You're saddling on saddling yourself. You don't have a full-time groom you're doing it all yourself. Yeah and then occasionally I'll have somebody come through to help and you know but mostly yeah by myself. So I'm trying to kind of figure out same thing like I'm still wanting to get into some of the stallion stuff so I'm you know starting to pay attention more to that side and then just trying to get I'm still still gearing it towards a breeding program basically. I'm not sure you're thinking because you're head thinking because it's a good money maker. If you've got a successful start there's enough people but want to breed to a barrel racing start that that there's a good there's a good chance to get financially very wealthy doing it basically. Is that where your head's going? So because I don't joke about this like people say why did you become a clinician? Because I knew there's fucking money there. Yeah I'm not a barris to say that. Yeah I was good at it. I knew there was a lot of money there so I went there. Yeah you know I went with for the money. So I'm a self-proclaimed whore. I'll go where the money is. I'm not ashamed of that. So that's why I'm asking that question. Your brain says okay if I get a good stub there's potentially potentials keyword a lot of money to be had. Is that where your mind's going? So I think sort of so I kind of always look at things in seasons so you know the stallions are busy in the spring the fertility horses are kind of more money there's more money in the fall. Okay. You know so I'm kind of like trying to figure out okay like how do you keep in income all year and then also at this time in like 2020 I was also feeding a cell that I really liked that they were marketing to race forces and so the three times the fury mayor was on it. And it's a amino-arganine supplement and so they were getting ready to discontinue that product and then I had a little bit of money from Sway and so I was like, "Well, I said, "Well, what if I buy the formula "because I like the product?" And they said they couldn't sell it and I was like, "Surely I can sell it." And I'm like, "Okay, so what are the minimums or whatever?" And it's like a $10,000 minimum to do, which is still a lot at the time. And so I was like, "Okay, so I bought the formula "and I sent it to nutritionists, "and then I take out any auditives, any fillers, "and then it was like a blue dye in it, "so take all that out." And then I'm like, "I think if we educate people, "then I can sell this product." So I order the first batch, like 10 grand, 'cause I want to feed it to my horse. And so then I start selling the supplement. And so this is how the amino company started. So then-- - What's the company called? - Red hot equine amino. - Okay. - And so we get through that. Well then I, you know, I'm in the gym all the time and stuff. And I'm like, "I drink amino's every day." And so I was like, "Why is it not a big deal for our horses?" Because I can dig, thanks your tell when I'm like, run out of amino's and I'm sore for like three or four days versus like constantly drinking them and then I'm sore for like a day. And so I was like, "Why I want to come out with the supplement?" Because I, you know, I'm running on lay six and stuff. So I was like, "I want it to be amino's, electrolytes." And some stomach care and just kind of cover your bases and then I'm gonna run with this company or whatever. So anyway, we start doing the amino company. And so we come out with all these different deals. And the company-- - When you say, "Who are you referring to, we?" You and who? - So at this time-- - And you remarried, got partners. - Why are you saying we? - So at this time, it's just being Josh, so my boyfriend, you know. - Okay. - And so, and then I'm working with another lady and the supplement stuff to try to like get this all because I don't know anything about supplements at this time. So I'm like trying to figure out how do I do this? How do I do the lab? How do I do the labeling? You know, like there's a lot of rules for supplements that horse industry does not follow. - So, then, so we start kind of doing, doing the amino company. But at this time, I'm too busy with horses and everything else. So like, I don't have time to ship you, I mean, it was because I didn't have time and I didn't have boxes and I didn't have like, I'm digging through my freaking garage. I would rather refund your order than ship you, I mean, us. So that's kind of how that company is going at this time. And so I'm like-- - So you bit enough, Movin, you can tune. You don't have enough time. - Yeah. - So I'm so feeding it to my horses, which was the whole purpose of this thing, but I can't. - So you've got a $10,000 box sitting somewhere. - Yes, so I can't, and I just don't have time to get it out. So then I start to do, I'm like, okay, well, I need to solve this problem. So I end up building the website and then integrating like the shipping and everything and then I hire somebody to ship. So I'm like, I can market it. That's fine. I got that. And I can solve this shit out of some products, but I'm like, I don't have time to physically do it. And so anyway, people were really happy when that lady got hired because now they actually got all their stuff. - We had how that happens. - Yes. - Try just thing when you ship something and somebody paid for it. - Yeah. - Happy. - Yeah. - Who would have heard such a crazy fucking story? - So it was a little bit tough to get that one off because like I have all these really great ideas, but it's, you have to have the right people in place to execute. - I have a little saying that I used to be, and I'm not criticizing you by any means, but I used to be a little bit like what you're describing is shiny light object. Oh, there's money over here. There's money over here. You can do this and make money. And finally, I lost mass in a few of these areas. And finally, a guy said to me, he said, if everything's important, nothing's important. He said, stick to your fucking wheelhouse. Stick to what you're really good at and do that. Give that 110% of your effort. Quit trying to do five over here and 10% here and 15% here because you're not doing any of it justice. And when I had, when I company was really big, I had seven managers underneath me. And we used to say that management meeting's over time. If everything's important, nothing's important. So what are the top three things that we're going to do in the next 60 days? What you know what I mean? All top two things. Don't not top 10 things. So you've got to be careful of that, following that shiny object. Well, and also I think a big problem when you have the type of personality is that you want to do everything yourself. And you know you can do it. But then you have to get real with yourself. I don't have time to do this. And then it doesn't, maybe it's not making enough money for me to dedicate my time over there. You know, so I got to figure, I'm like, okay, I got to figure this out. I was just talking to my girl in the office and I was like, I'm getting pretty good at delegating, man. I'm like, five stars for like the last two years. But where you have to get the right people in those positions. So like, you know, last year I left all year. But I have great people in place now. And so when I got that set up with the Aminos, well, then that one's mostly on autopilot. So then I can just, you know, I joke because I'm like, the last few years are still mostly have made it for myself. But like the last two years, it's really grown. And then this last year it really grew because I actually like focused a little bit on just talking about it. Not even a ton. Like I've never paid any money to advertise that company. Not even a ton of stuff, but just talking about it a little bit on my social media. And it's just something that we believe in. We feed it. It just meant to help you get the most out of your feed. The good stuff that you're already doing. So that company grew, oh man, I think it tripled what it did. I'll give you a little advice whether you want to hear it or you want to do it. It's up to you. What's your fucking money? Yeah. Okay. I have heard your, I've heard your talk about that. I'm not saying your employees are bad, but I'm going to get some shit for this. I just assume everybody's stealing from me. Yeah. And when you make that assumption, you won't get stolen from. Yeah. So you're in a little bit of a deal. When you grow so quickly, it's very easy to forget checks and balances. Yeah. So whoever's looking at your money, whoever's doing your money, whoever's doing your bookkeeping, make sure you have an outside firm doing an audit of you, at least every other, at least every three years, for sure, every other year. You make sure whoever's touching your fucking money, you be the only one that signs checks. Oh, yeah. You be the only one that writes the checks. Just, I was always phenomenal at making money. I was really good at that. What I sucked at is being back at the office and double checking people that I was paying a lot of money to because I thought, okay, I can't be on the road and in the office. Yeah. I can't be two places at once. So I'm out on the road doing clinic after clinic after clinic, bringing in piles of money, thinking that if I'm paying a CFO 140, $150,000 a year, they're taking care of my money, they're helping me, they're making sure that, oh, you'd be surprised how many people in the accounting world will actually steal from you. Oh, yeah. You'd be surprised how many people that are handling your money. So I live by this rule. Employees will do what you inspect, not expect. Yeah. Now, the rare employee, and they're pretty rare, but they're out there, they'll do what you expect, even though they know you won't inspect it. Yeah. But 9.5, 10 out of 9.5 at times out of 10, employees when they know you'll inspect them will do just enough to keep your foot out of their ass. Yeah. So never forget that. So as you're growing, it's real good to see that growing, and then the other thing you better keep a real fucking close eye on is what your expenses are. I always used to pay attention to the gross, as long as I was grossing more, but now I pay a real, a lot of attention to the net. What am I fucking keeping? Yeah. What am I keeping? What am I keeping? What am I expenses? And when I started really paying a lot more attention to that, I started making a lot more money, too. But just be careful of the money, because when you're, especially when you're on the road, when you're traveling, you're not in the office, I hate to say it like this. As you get wealthier, you'll find more people are bolder about stealing from you. I think, I don't know if I think that they're entitled to it, because you've made more money there. Fuck it, he's not going to miss it. It's funny, I learnt this lesson when I almost went bankrupt. Oh, it's probably gone back at least 10 years now, longer than that. I almost went bankrupt. I grossed 14 million one year and lost 375,000 the same year. See, only year in business I ever lost money. And it was embarrassed that I collected that much money and still lost money, okay? So at that point, I'm fucking checking every credit card, I'm checking every sign in every check. I mean, I'm fucking going through the money like you wouldn't believe. So I see this credit card statement for like $249 for XM radio. And I'm thinking, well, on a credit card statement. And I'm thinking why didn't I fucking order XM radio? So I called the warehouse manager in and I said, what is this XM radio thing? And I called the warehouse manager and I had a full time truck driver at the time that was on tour constantly driving my rigs everywhere. And the truck driver says, oh, that's for XM radio. I bought a year's worth of, what three years worth XM radio. And I said to him, I said, what would be the next thing I said? make you think that it's okay to spend $250 of my money on fucking XM radio when I didn't tell you it was okay, you didn't come ask me, you didn't do nothing. And immediately he said, well it's only $13 a month like that. Like I was just some cheap piece of shit. It's $13 a month and I had the most perfect comeback in the world. I looked at him and I said, great. If it's only $13 a month, you don't mind paying it, do you? He canceled that subscription three days later because $50 to recancel it. When it was his $13 he sure gave a fuck. When it was my $13 he thought I was a cheap motherfucker for not paying for it. That taught me a really valuable lesson about employees. Don't ever think that they'll respect your fucking money like you'll respect your fucking money. So if you don't inspect it, you don't check it, you don't go over it, don't think that they're going to have your back. Now the odd one will. I'm not going to say that. The odd one will. I've got a handful of phenomenal people now, but I'd trust him with my open safe. But they had to prove that over many fucking years. For sure. Many fucking years. So don't ever think that anybody gives a shit about your money like you do because they fucking don't. Yeah, when I said, well if it's only $13 a month, you want to have trouble paying for it? And he canceled it. That showed me a huge lesson. I was a cheap boss because I didn't want to pay it, but when it is $13, he cut that out real fucking quick. I got a good lesson on human nature that day. Where's this fucking stud? He's out with brood meds getting the shit kicked out of him. You bring him in as a two year old. You start riding him. What happens? Yeah, so I have this idea because he's a stallion and he's probably know and he's by this race horse stallion and he's the only one. And I was like, I want this horse to be like Coca-Cola. There are no? Like everybody's going to know his name. And so I start to share some money was little, but like what, right about when he gets into two year old or whatever, I beg and pleaded and Rodney to take him because at this time now Rodney has had, I've had two horses behind Rodney and I won fraternity's on both of them. So another sister to the one mayor and I had one at that. So Rodney's a cult stodder up in South Dakota. South Dakota, okay. That's what he does for living in stock cults. No, they're ranchers. Okay, but he starts cults. But he starts some cults. Yeah. So he, I beg and beg and beg for him to take him because I just have him in my heart that like, okay, I want to, I want to leave him the stallion. Rodney is a hell of a horseman and then he can learn how to be on the ranch. So like they, I mean they're like, like when you leave there, they ask you if you have gas in your truck like, they'll fail. They live in the middle of nowhere. And so I just have this idea. I don't want him to start it in an arena. I want him to like, you know, go do the things. So I get him back from Rodney and- After what? 90 days, six months, huh? He was there probably like five months. I don't know how much time he, you know, exactly has on him, but Rodney does a great job with, whatever time he has, he does a great job. And so I get him back, well, I got him back in the middle of May and I had saved a couple mayors for him because I really wanted to cross him on some, some of my mayors. And there's a little controversial, but for me, like if I don't believe in the stud or I don't like what he produces, I do not want that. It's a shitload of time and money and effort. Oh, very much. To promote a stallion. So I bred him to like five mayors. As a two year old. Live cover, you jerked him off, how'd this go down? Just at the breeding farm. At the live cover or I, oh, I, okay, you just don't like you turning him out with some unbreakable mayors and he went to town. Okay. No. And so I get him back and I start riding him and my girlfriend is a professional photographer or whatever. And so I'm like, this is where I'm like really pushing her to be like, I need video. Like you're starting to see all the. So he's talking about the fall of his two year old G&L? Yes. Okay. So he convinced her to start doing like the reals basically. I'm like, okay, I want to start doing videoing all of his training and anytime he goes to town or anything he's doing, like I want to share everything on this cult. And he, I laugh because you know, I have a lot of respect for my cult starters, but I feel like they can always tell you if you want to keep him a stallion or not. So I remember after Rodney Hadding for like a month, I called him and I was like, every message him and he says, I was like, do you think this horse is worth keeping a stallion? And he says, well, if you cut him, you might want to keep him on the shelf because you'll want him later. I was like, that's good because cult starters never want you to keep a stallion. Yeah, good point. You know, so I get going and I start training and start dragging him everywhere. I do like literally everything on him. So like he stands tied to the trailer. You know, we go to the breeding farm. He's learning to collect and stuff. So and then I, you know, bring him back time up to the trailer and ride him. So you're kind of doing like an ongoing journal of the horse? Yes. I'm trying to share everything. What you know is a stallion owner at Super Risky. Oh, yeah, because he could totally flop. That's very much so. So we get, you know, he starts going through your old year. So now I'm starting to haul him an exhibition and like practice. So let's back up a little bit here. How is he training? Do you like the way he's riding? He's, is he good? He's in hard. You feel proud. He's so easy. He's so easy. He's so easy. And I think people think he has more time because he just does it. So I was really happening as I would have him in the barn and then I would ride him and he would be way ahead of where he was supposed to be so I'd kick him back out for two weeks. Okay. Right. You know, and then I'd bring him in and ride him for a week and then I'd kick him back out because literally anything you showed him, he just had it. Okay. So you're happy with the way he's trained? Yeah. He's like, he's growing and he's, I'm not sure how fast he's going to be yet, but we're like, you know, he, but he just takes everything in. Let me ask you a stupid question from a non-bowl racer. So, can you tell how fast they're going to be as a two early, three year old or you just got a feeling? Is it a power thing? Probably if, probably I would say it's a more of a feeling like I could kind of feel how fast they're going. He's pretty deceiving, but generally, and then I think mentally because you got it, that's the thing about barrel horses is they can't just be fast. Like they have to have. Keep the shit together as I go for it. Or they'll be you'll be in real. That's where I think you see horses that don't succeed as maturity horses, but maybe they're good when they're like nine years old. Yeah. I don't have that kind of time. So I need them to be mentally mature very early is what I look for. He comes. So you take him to the full faturities? What happens? So we, well, he's, first of all, it's doing all of his social meter in this posting, is it going well? Is it not going well? Yeah. So as a three year old, he breeds 85 mers. Okay. So you breed him as a three year old to a handful of maize. And the start of the year old, 85 maize. Yeah. And what stud feed is he have at this point? I've like 1500. Okay. Yeah. So like nothing. And I think it's for him. So I'm sure there'll be people that do disagree, but it's a double edged sword because so like when he was a two year old, he bred mares and when he got rode and when he was a three year old, 85 mares, that's a full season. So like Monday Wednesday, Friday, all season when he was home. And then I was dragging him with me everywhere to while I'm hauling two other mares. And then it's literally just another day for him. So it's very clear. So the breeding farm didn't hurt his mind or making study because it will, it will fuck up some haunted. Yeah. Especially in a three year old year. Yeah. You start breeding him like that and trying to ride him at the same time. It's a fucking disaster. And it was literally like we would, you know, breed him and then I'd bring him home and jump on, settle him up in our item and like literally just, these are the things that are expected of you. Get with it. Yeah. And so as we come into that next season as a four year old, you know, a lot of people you have to really worry about stallions because you can't control the situation when you get to the show, right? I can't control who's behind me in the stalls or, you know, who tied their mirror. These are a lot of studs at Bell Racer's or not. Yeah, the faturities for sure. Faturities. You faturate him at the end of these three year old genes. And how did he do? So he, the first run he had was at the BFA in the Slot Race, the bottom of the slot. And so I remember because so this horse has always been like, he's so good mentally. Okay. So you get to the Slot Race. The Slot Race is the most similar to a rodeo. So there's really loud music and there's the seats are packed like it's a, it's the thing to watch. It's an event. Okay. So you, we get there and I laugh because I was like, I'm really glad that my trailer was so far away at Lazy E because I probably would have chickened out. But I'm in a o-ring, you know, so I, and I make the call like I ride him in another bit during the week, but I'm like, I think I still need to stay in the o-ring to run him. Like in the warm-up in and I mean, he is like chomping the bridal and like nerves and people are going by and he's like, Bucking like I can't even like do it. I was like, I like, oh my gosh. If I would have had my vet box closed or like, or anything I could have changed, I probably would have changed it in that instance. This is where you like getting trouble if you change your mind, you know. So I'm like, okay, this is what I decided. So this is what I think I should do. Well he's like chomping at the bit, just nerve, but it's all three year olds. There's 53 year olds. The music's crank. Yeah. Shit's scared everywhere. All the other horses are scared. It's dark, you know. Yeah. So a whole thing. It's like the fucking blonde leading the blonde. It's terrible. Yeah. And I remember Nikki asking. She's like, is he always like this? He's never like this. And I'm nervous. He's nervous. I'm like, man, everybody's tuned into watch because I've hyped the sucker up for two freaking years. (laughing) He's facing the launch, my ass. (laughing) So I get up there and if you've been to Lazy. - No. - Okay, well, it's a huge facility, but you have the lower arena and then you have to like walk up a dirt path to the big building. And so I remember I walk in there and it's dark and then you know, Falun's a good friend of mine too. Okay, so Falun sends me this outfit. And I just remember like looking down and I'm like, man, this pants are like really blue and sparkly. (laughing) I mean, if you're gonna like have everybody staring at you, they're gonna be staring at you and I have like this crazy shirt on and then I have my hat, which is like the blue tie dye hat. Okay, this is the first day of the crazy hat. Okay, so then they're like thinking I spilled bleach on it or something. I don't know, I've heard everything. So I walk up to the door and while you're in the dark and you're in the end of the building and it's like all the music, they're running 'cause I'm like, I think I drew number 21. So I was like, I gotta be ready for that or whatever. And as soon as I walk up to that gate, he's like all chomping and nervous. He takes a big deep breath, drops his head and walks right in and I was like, oh hell yeah, we're ready now, you know. - That's what I was. - So he goes in there and he runs, he was a 15-5, which is really fast, takes a lead in the salaries. And I one girl at the end got me. So he ended up second, and he won 35,000. But I remember when he made his run, he made me a beautiful run and I got into the alley. I did it. - Yeah, you did it. - No one died. We took the lead. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - We didn't suck. I didn't get bucked off on TV like whole thing, you know. And so, and I think it's, I run him in the, so they have two more days of the race or whatever. So he ends up third in the juvenile, he's what they call it, and he tripped really bad the first round. So like he probably, he was like, he would have won it. I think, you know, I lost some time when he fell. And so I go to the next feature at Oklahoma City and he places in the ground there. This is in December. And he places there and I end up fourth. Well, so now I'm like kind of annoyed because I'm like, okay, I was second in the slot race, third in the juvenile, fourth in the rookie. And I'm like, what the hell guys, we're going the wrong way, right? So we go to the Jingle Bell Classic and Perry. And I'm like, we're gonna get a handle here. Well, he wins both rounds, wins a featurety. And then he just kind of never really went back. So part of the manifesting on him was before he won $5, the highest money earned by a featurety stallion was $300,000. And so I kept saying before he won anything, I'm gonna win $300,000 on this horse. That's a lot of money on a horse. Anyway, but then on a stallion, you know, I'm like, that's a lot of money. So let me ask you about that. Historically, do studs outperform mayors or mayors outperform stars? I would say mayors and gildings. Do that, okay. Like in the reigning, as a good real thumb, there's way more reigning featurety finalists that win money is stallions than mayors. It's probably three quarter stards and one quarter mayors and gildings. You know, cutting a lot of mayors can be extremely competitive against the studs. If not more. So I just wonder in your industry, is there a kind of percentage of what wins more? The stallions are definitely gonna be less, I would say. Like there's a lot of them. Is that because they're not as fast? Is that because there's not as many stains competing? Is it because their balls get in the road of their mind? And what's your gut feeling? I think they don't, they lack focus, you know, when it counts or the pressure. Like you really gotta have them just dial into the pressure and I feel like the stallions are looking over this way. - Let's push it everywhere. - Yeah. - So it can get them in trouble. And I think too, like a lot of times, I don't know if they do it in other disciplines, but I know that they do give a lot of stallions ultra-negist and stuff like that to suppress them. I don't believe in that because I also, I'm probably one of the few trainers that is actually at the breeding farm with them. - Yeah. - So I can see both sides. - Yeah, it's just low as their fertility rate. - Yeah, and I'm like, I don't really, I think a lot of maybe stallions in our industry have problems later because they were run on so more for so long. - Yeah, the other drug years. - Of stuff. And I understand the trainers 'cause they're just trying to get them through their program. - Yeah, that's true. - And stallion takes an incredible amount of time. - Yeah, but. - But. - So he starts doing good that fertility year and it keeps getting better, okay? So at this point, the marketing's paying off, the horses being as good as you hoped he was gonna be. So what happens now? - So at. - So he's not quite for you. - We're still having a teeny bit of controversy because I don't know if you ever seen the video feel like leaping through the air at the BFA. So before the slot race. So for me, I'm like, okay, I was a horseman, okay? First, I'm like, I have this three year old stallion. It's cold outside. I just gave him a bath because he's white and he wants to be green. So like, he'd give him a bath or whatever. Everyone around him and anybody that's at my stalls, everybody's nervous for that night, right? Like you can feel like the energy is just like, like in the horse show is this again? - At for the saw race. So like the horse feels like, what the hell's wrong with all of y'all? - Right. - Like everybody's like coming to see him and all the things. So I give him a bath or whatever and he's like, almost dry and it's cold outside. And I'm like, he's trying to get him to dry off in the sun and he's like freaking leaping through the air. - When you're all getting my lunch line. - I'm on a lead rope. - And he's leaping. - He never does it at me anyway, which is the whole other thing. But he's always been like really playful and it really his ego started when he got broke. - Okay. - He was so good at everything. Like that's how he got an ego. - Right. - And so there's this video of him like leaping through the air and I was joking. I was like, well, if he wins a slot race, that's whole Jolly and that who's between the reins. I was like, if he wins a slot race, I'm posting that video. Well, he got second. So I posted it. She was like, you've got posted anyway. You know, and I, so he's like leaping through the air. Oh my gosh. So like they freaking call for his nuts like everywhere. And I'm like, and honestly, I'm like, when you're there and you're the whole thing, you like, you kind of get it. But he's a little bit out there anyway, but he's such a unique individual. But I know he's unique from the very, like I have other stallions and I'm fine, Billy kick him, do whatever I don't care. - Yeah. - And not saying he's never got a Billy kick because he has, but that like he's just such a unique individual though. And so like he, he's always really playful and like all these things and it drives people nuts. - Why? - Because they say, so I laugh, 'cause I'm like, it's like, if they're not really in time. - We're talking about the fucking Bower Racing industry. - Oh, I know. - The shit that you bitches put up with blows my fucking mind. So to think there's other women in the Bower Horse industry criticizing your horse for jumping in the air on the end of a lead rope is laughable. Have you crazy bitch, I'm gonna look into the camera. Have you crazy bitches seen your horses in the alleyway? Have you seen them before you run? - Oh my God. - It's like this is like, this is like the most hypocritical shit I've ever heard. People in the Bower Racing industry criticizing your horse and jumping in the air in the fucking lead line. You bitches love crazy horses. - It's kind of, and I laugh 'cause I'm like, if literally 'cause he has nuts. Like that's literally why. So we get through, - Now would I tolerate it, fuck no. But it doesn't matter. I'm not in your world. - Wait, would you tolerate it if you want a million dollars? - I'm a suck, he's dick for a million dollars. Let's just get that straight right now. He could jizzle on my face. I couldn't give a flying fuck for a million dollars. I'll teach him to be a circus horse and jerk off at the same time. So we clear where I am on this. - 100%. - Right. - So that's all I'll have because, you know, through this whole year, 'cause he's a goofball. But like he's, you know, so I'm sure to you as a trainer. So you have a lot of horses that you like, but you're only gonna have a few horses that you are like, this is the horse. Like a very unique ball on a horse. - Yeah, I get that, yeah. - And so like this is the hour. So like he's, I've had a lot of winners that aren't fun. - Yeah. - He's fun. I laugh every single day. - So you and him jizz. - He's literally my pet, okay. - You and him jizzle. - And just so good at anything, you get throw at him. And then more pressure you put on him, just the sharper he gets. - So let's talk about now, you have a great faturity, yeah. - So he, do you know how much he wins from November to his three year old year to November, his four year old year, do you remember how much he wins? - So he breaks the stallion record in June. - Oh, so he wins over 300 grand so far? - By June. - Yep. - And then he breaks the all time faturity horse in November, and then he breaks all time money and then he's going to be the one by a faturity horse like open and anything in December. - That's awesome. So you straddle a bunch of people. - So yeah, he wins like 560,000 his faturity horse. - That's fucking awesome. Congratulations. So you kick ass, everything's gone great, correct? Four year old year happens. So now he's basically four, five. What do you do with him? Well, first of all, you're coming into the breeding season, correct? - Yes. - As a foreal. So what's he study for that next breeding season? - So I think as a four year old, it was 2,500 and then as a five year old, I think it was 4,500. - Okay, so 2,500 is a four year old. - We still have way too many, too much interest still. - Okay, so at 2,500, how many maize did he breed that breed in season? - So, I have faturity or 185. - Well, faturity year is-- - As a four year old. - Yeah, as a four year old. - Yeah, you're 85. So you're still trying to breed that many horses and taking to the faturities as well? - We did it. - God damn, that's a lot. - Yeah. - That's a lot. - Yeah, if you saw him, he jumped three days a week. - Yeah. - So. - Yeah, that's a lot. Well, he must be very good-minded because most studs would lose it. - That's a funny part, right? - Most studs would lose their shit, getting jump that much, and having to be trained and ridden and all that shit. To that, especially the faturity year. - Yeah, to that. - Five, six, seven year old, it's not as bad because they're a lot more trained in the cow horse and reigning well. Okay, so now we get through the end of the faturity year. So he started to be four. What happens that four year old year? - So. - No, no, five year old. - Yeah, so as a four year old. - As a five year old. - And as a four year old, he won 10 faturities. He was reserve at five, and he was in the top five at another eight. - Okay. - So that's pretty unheard of. - Oh, yeah, I mean, yeah. So he, the cool thing is on him is it wasn't, we have the incentives and stuff like that. I always joke that I can give my shit together when it counts for that stuff, 'cause I'm like, you know, so that was without any hundred thousand, so I'm like, he only won 35,000. And then without any of those really big incentive races, 'cause they just didn't work out at those particular races. So, and then from that point, I'm like, okay, now, how do I make this horse the best? Like, I am off to a good start. How do I make him the best? And I was like, I'm gonna rodeo. So like, we had talked about-- - This is his five year old year now. - Yes. - Okay. So why do you want a rodeo? - I think it's a different, so my thought process on this is that it's a way different market. And then also, we had a lot of people that were like, well, he's really fast, but like, you know, he's, it's not gonna be the same if you rodeo. Like, or he wouldn't be as good in a rodeo or-- - Why, what's the theory? - So, you know, with the faturities and stuff, you go, you get your exhibitions, you get your practice in the pen or whatever, and then you get to run, and you get two rounds, and it pays the average. A rodeo is like inside, outside, weird ass setups, different types of ground. I mean, it's just a little cool-- - You don't get to do an exhibition first. - You don't get in the arena a lot. - So it's one and done. You gotta perform right here, right now. - Yeah, in all kinds of crazy stuff. - Situations, okay. - And so I was like, well, it's a different crowd though, completely different fan base to do rodeo versus faturity. And so, and then I also knew, like, at this point, like I'm not sending them off to anybody, like I decided we didn't want to sell them or anything, and so I was like, I'm not keeping them. - Have you got people trying to buy the horse at this point? - Everybody's trying to buy them at this point, yeah. But I think that they're starting to see from all my dumb videos that he's like my pet, you know, too. 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When you tell your family you're gonna rodeo, what does that entail? - So I know that I'm gonna be leaving for significant amount of time, and then I know like for the summer I'm gonna be leaving. - Leaving for like weeks on end? - Months on end, what? - Summer. - Right, three, four months. - Yeah, leaving. And so, you know, at this time though, I have a really good team in place for mother business stuff, and then I'm like, okay, we're gonna-- - It's up to lunch. - Yep, and then we're gonna make sure that we're doing, you know, just, he needs to be seasoned because there's a lot of, it's so different, like he's never been in the performances at this time, like he's never been in anything that's, you know, crazy crowds or side gates or whatever weird setup. So I'm thinking that he needs to be seasoned his five year old year, and then I would try to make the finals this year. - On his six year old? - As a six year old, because so the way rodeo's structured, if you don't rodeo the year before, you don't get into any big rodeos. So like-- - What do you mean by that? - So like last year, I didn't-- - You just can't interrupt into a rodeo? - No, they do have some qualifiers for some of them, but when we were trying to decide at the end of his maturity year, I was like, we have these huge massive goals we're trying to accomplish. So I didn't wanna like beer off the path, right? I was like, we're almost there. I feel like you just focus, get your maturity you're done, then we can go on to the next thing. And so like I wasn't in for a worth, or Houston, or San Antonio, or any of those, well those are huge money rodeos, like having to pay 20 grand a win for a worth. I think it paid 70,000 to win Houston. You know, San Antonio's gonna pay a ton. So it's all these big money opportunities that you don't even have the option for coming in. - I'm confused there. If you can't, if I won't let you enter until you've been there the year before, well how do you get in there the year before? - Well there's a ton of other rodeos to enter. - Okay so you have to enter some other rodeos, you have to enter X amount of other rodeos before they'll let you enter the big ones. - Well you need to be in the top 30 of the standings to get into those big rodeos. - Okay that's what I'm trying to get at is what is the threshold? So you've got to win 30 grand in that year. - No, be in the top 30. - Be in the, okay sorry, be in the top 30. And then you can be eligible to enter the big rodeos, correct? Okay and that's what you're- - The following year. - The following year, not that year. - Yes. - Okay so it's five year old year, you decide to do that, correct? - Yeah so I'm like okay well I can't get into any of the big rodeos so I'm gonna go to the rodeos, win enough money to get into the big rodeos. - For the following year. - The following year and then I'm gonna try to make a run for the end of our. - Okay. - And so anyway, audioists went to seven rodeos and then you were like- - Are you taking a pile of horses just here? - Just him. - Just him and the trailer, living quarters trailer, et cetera. When you go into these rodeos, do they have stalls for the horses you time up to the trailer? Like what do you keep- - Stalls or hoffins? - Electric fans or stall. - Okay. - So I laugh too because you know for as crazy as my stallion is, he literally lives in one straight-in-a-hoffins. Like who the hell knows even where at the next to the carnival. - Yeah. - And it's fine. Like he's a very good boy on the road. - Yeah. - And so he goes to those like seven eight rodeos and then he says, hold my beer. (laughs) And that was- - So does he do well at the rodeos? Does there any change in- - So- - Was there any you think you had to adapt to? Talk about that. Training wise, adaption, what happened? - So in the winter, it's all like buildings kind of. And so the problem I was having was like he would get into like a performance and it's so loud in the tunnel. And then the alleyways at these places would be really long and then you like get up in the pit and the barrels right there. And he would be freaking rolling in like a freight train. - Yeah and then like why in our Odessa? And that was like, I think that was the first rodeo I went to was Odessa and he like rolls up in there and like broadsides at the first part. like completely falls down. I come off of him. - He hits the barrow in full field. - He finishes the pattern without me. (laughing) Yeah. - That's cool. - And then like comes back and then I laugh 'cause this year they were like, "Do you want to enter our desk?" And I was like, "I'm good." - I'm good. (laughing) And so I like he just would come in there so stay and strong. Well, in the future-- - So was it a shorter distance between the start, time, and the first barrel with the rodeos? - Yeah a lot of it in the winter. - Yeah, in a really long, long alleyway. - Okay, okay. - And then I'm in an ogring. - Yep. - And like, I, you're not really holding on to that sucker when he really wants to get in. - Yeah, it's an ogring snap. - Yeah, and so I can, I haven't quite mastered like the approach. And then I get to Lake Charles and I get him in the arena. I never get him in the arena. Like, if not at this point, I'm just usually going, but I get there early so I get in the arena. Well, in the back they have like a black banner and it has like some bank or something. Well, it has like those air holes you know that they cut in there. And all the calves are sticking their damn heads through this freaking banner. And audio is like hell no. - So he scared the death of it? - Of the, I call him the tarp cows. Okay, he's not scared of anything normally. And he don't want a part of it. So I get in there, he spins his shit out of the first barrel. I'm like, oh, we're facing to get it now. We turn the second and he changes leads like 19 times to third barrel. - 'Cause you, those calves are coming up. - I fairly squeak around it and like, I'm out of the money 'cause I'm like, he didn't even try to run up there. He was like, no, thank you. And I was like, okay, so maybe I don't need to give him something to be scared of. - Good point. - So this is what when people are telling you rodeos are unpredictable, this is the kind of shit you're talking about. - Yes. - Where it's this weird shit's going to happen. - Totally things you can't even think of. - Okay, is it on herd of, again, excuse my ignorance, but is it on herd of to rodeo five or old? Is that young for a rodeo horse not really? - It is young for a rodeo horse. I think there's very, very few of them that have been successful as a five girl. You know, they might be good like here and there, but you're seasoning them, right? So we were thought of you know, I just didn't have anything else to run. That was fast enough. So I really heavily depended on him. - So if you're in the top 30 the year before, you can change out whatever horse you want to take. - Horse doesn't matter, you can ride at any of them. - Okay, now I'm getting there. So don't have to be on that horse. As long as you're in the top 30, you're good for the big rodeos. - Yes. - Okay, so let's keep going through the year. How's the rest of it going? - So I think the first check I get, this is really funny actually. So I got, I got a good, some good lessons early. - Yeah. - I get to Starkville, Mississippi. I get there early. And so it's a little pin, it's like same thing, really like narrow. And so I get there early and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna ride around and practice. I borrowed some barrels, like pop up barrels from somebody. And I ride around and practice or whatever. Well, I run him that night and he ends up second the rodeo and that was his first check. And they set a reener record and a really good horse wanted. So like I was really glad. - The rodeos you've done by this point now. Probably like less than 10. - Okay, so let me ask you something. Coming off such a kick ass for two year. You're the fucking man, you're the woman, he's winning all time everything. You're done 10 rodeos now and you get your first check up to 10. Are you a little bit depressed? Are you a little bit like what the fuck has happened to this good year? Like what I'm saying is you come off such a high. I've went over 500 grand the year before and you've gone 10 times now without a check. Is this fucking with your head at all? Are you expecting this? - I think I expected some of it. - You get what I'm trying to say. Is it like okay, I'm not unhappy. This is what we came for. Tell me where your mind is. - Everything is so different. So it's not like we run in one place that was remotely the same as the last. - Okay. - So like I feel like every time he's just, he's having to just learn that like, you're just gonna show up. It's gonna be some crazy situation. Just still go look for girls. - Right. - You know, and he's having to like learn that dynamic of it. And so I'm not, I don't think I'm frustrated at this because he's still very green to, there's so many things changing. So I don't feel like it's fair to harshly judge him on that as a writer. - That's what I'm asking. I'm just asking, will you expecting more? You kind of are getting what you expected. Are people criticizing the whole saying is one hit wonder? Are you getting any negative shit? - I think a little bit of like, - I think a little bit of like, 'cause I'm sharing him this part of it too. So I think a little bit of it is like, oh, you know, he's not gonna, he's not gonna like doing this or whatever like that. You know, so from there I go to Jackson, Mississippi, which is a big rodeo. And I laugh 'cause I'm like, I, that sucker come in so damn hot and I mean was freaking rolling. And I run right to the dang wall. Like I wasn't even close to that first barrel. He ends up seconding at that rodeo. - Even doing that. - Yeah, I mean, he was flying. - Okay, he must've been really fucking flying. - While I'm at Jackson, I get a call saying that I had a major rule in fraction because so in brewery, seeing one of the WPRA rules is that you can't practice on the stakes. So where the barrels are actually supposed to be. So you can move them like 10 feet this way or 10 feet that way, but it's still like not tear up the ground, whatever. So like I get a call from one of the directors and they're like, well, you were practicing on the stakes. And I was like, well, you know, no, I wasn't. You know, but I apologize. It's like somebody said that I was or something like that. She's like, well, multiple people have told me that you were. Well, who the hell was there first of all, right? I'm like, well, I don't even know who was there that could have even turned me in or whatever. So she's like telling me all this stuff and I said, well, let me tell you what, I have a bunch of subscribers on Facebook and I video my whole training session. I'll see you. So you can see the stakes are not there. So I screen-shot it and send it on or whatever. And I was like, that's a good lesson because nobody gave a shit when I was getting my house again. You damn right, they didn't. I'm telling you, the more money you make, Trisha, the more a certain group of people, not all, but a certain group of people will just hate your fucking guts. They want you to fail. I've said this to Melanie Smith when she was sitting here so I was select her and I said, just be careful. You're going to exchange your friends three or four times and she said, what do you mean? I said, as you two start making a lot more fucking money, expect your friends to change. And she said, well, and I said, because people get jealous, people fucking hate on you. The more money, people think when you make more money, it's because you don't want to fuck with your old friends. No, no, no. It's almost a complete opposite. You want to keep your old friends, but your old friends don't want to keep you. That's typically the more money you make, you'll find you'll hang out with different people. And it's not because you want to, it's just your friend's circle will change. And you'll very much start surrounding yourself with people that are cheering you on, like fuck yeah, I hope you win a million this year. Or you're, and then the people that don't have that attitude will absolutely veer off, get away from you, hate on you, et cetera. So just be prepared for that. The more money you make, the more high as you will fucking get. That's the hardest part too. So as we continue to go, so I go to some rodeos, he starts to win money, he starts now I'm starting to get some traction. So because he's getting used to the variables, correct? And he's winning. He's winning. He's starting to win some checks. So I go down to Los Fresnos, and he's never been an outdoor pin, never been in anything like like that. So he's in a performance, he's in an outdoor pin. He's never been in the pin at this point. So now he's just gotta go in there and run cold. And he wins Los Fresnos, and that was the first rodeo that he won. And I'll tell you a quick story from that. So they tell me that there's fireworks before the rodeo, okay. So I'm like, okay, I'm ready. So I appreciate the heads up. Okay, so I'm parked on my rig or whatever. So when I hear that they're getting ready to start the opening ceremony, I untie him, because you expect shit to go south, okay. My dog's in my trailer at this point. So I see the fireworks at the arena. So he kind of snorts a little bit, but like, cut shakes his head, but like nothing, like he's watching fireworks. He's like, okay, I'm okay. And I was like, oh, this is nothing. Okay, right about like right here, the shit goes off, like we're in Baghdad. Shit goes freaking over my trailer. And it's like, right, huge fireworks right over my head. Now audio is like, oh, no. (laughs) So he's like trotting a circle around me. Like he's snorting out. The breakaway girls, there's shit's going every which way. Like everybody's pissed. My dog jumps out of my, like, as I'm chasing my horse around, my dog jumps out of my freaking window of the trailer. So now I'm like, yelling at my horse, yelling at my dog, like, things going in the circle. And then finally it stops or whatever. So like, they have fireworks after the rodeo too. So like, I run barrels. I trot back to the trailer, throw his shit off, pose him down, load him in the trailer, and I'm out of there. I'm like, no, we don't need to do this twice. We're done. Yeah. Almost done. So he does that. So then I go to California. So I'm like, okay, I'm gonna do it. Do you travel by yourself? You take somebody with you? Nope, just me. And so I was like, okay, I'm gonna go to California. And I remember I'm never left with horses. So to me, I'm like, I have no clue where I'm gonna stay with a stallion or what I'm gonna do. or I literally have no clue. So I have for sure. friends out there. And so I knew I would have like some help, but I was like, I'm going to treat this like a mini summer run. I'm just going to leave, figure it out, see how it goes. And so I go out there, I enter six radios, he wins four of them. Oh man. Yeah, and then I place it the other two. And so I'm like, you know, he's doing so good. I'm going to come home and just give him a break, keep him ready. But you're in the top 30. We're only for, I've been in the top 15 now all. Okay. So you're good for next year. That's what I'm asking. Because it's at the end, the very, very end of it is how they do it. So I'm like, all right, I'm going to come home. Why come home? And every time I try to be freaking nice to these horses, they do something dumb. He breaks his nose. How do you break them? No idea. I have no idea. I, he only broke half of his nose to you. Like he's in, he's in like the safest pin. He could possibly think of, of course. And so, but there's a, somewhere there's a video. So it's cave, didn't? Oh yeah, he crushed like this whole side. So there's a video and I'm like poking his nose. He doesn't even act like it hurts him. I'm poking his nose. It's like squishy. And I'm like talking to my vet and I'm like, done. He broke his nose and I was like, if this is what ends his career, I'm going to be so pissed. Yeah. Like you break your nose like, come on. So he has to be off then for that. And so, I mean, to this point though, they don't. So we, we talked about it with several different surgeons and they were like, if it was another horse, we'd probably go in and fix it. They're like, but if you don't think it's a problem and he gets up and he chips and he, he's like, was it worth it? Yeah. And so we did a, we ended up doing a CT scan. So that whole side of his nose is crushed and his tear ducts all crushed. So will you worried about him breathing this? Yes. Because that's like the biggest thing. So I did notice, like the first couple runs back, I did kind of notice a little bit of a difference. Sound. You can hear it sometimes or when he's grazing, like if I, all I can grazing, sometimes I can hear it a little bit, like he's just like a little bit of forced air. But really, I mean, after a couple of rodeos, I haven't even noticed. Okay. So he adapted well. He adapted very good. So you got back on the road in the full one? In the summer. In the summer. So now we're leaving for the summer. Okay. So now I have to figure out like every, I don't know, how do you plan to leave for four months or whatever? I really didn't even, at this point, I'm still not quite thinking like I'm going to try to make the finals. I'm leaving for the summer with like 50,000 one though. So I'm in a good spot. It goes a little bit my way. I have a good shot. But I'm still a little bit-- So you could technically still qualify for the NFR that year. Yeah. Right. It's not necessarily a goal of yours, but it's-- Because I didn't think I would be able to do it without the big money rodeos. Okay. You know, because it's really hard to do that. And so I go and I start going for the summer. He has a pretty good summer. And then he ends up, you know, qualifying for a bunch of other bigger, bigger like fall rodeos and stuff. So he starts doing that. Well, I rodeo is probably the hardest mentally that you're going to do because like you're literally out there with your one horse or two horses not a lot. You don't have a lot of horses on the trailer. And you're driving a really long way. Like you might drive eight hours and catch a barrel. And then you've got to drive 10 freaking hours to the next place. You know, like it's a-- The next day, it's one of a deal. Oh, yeah. Like you're-- There, I joke. Because like sometimes they're like, what do you do during the week when you're on the road? And I'm like, nothing. You hope that he's sleeping because you literally like get out run, get out run, get out run. I mean, you're I'm going to make a lot of runs now. And so I've never had to run a horse that much. And also it's-- How did you adjust your training for that? I don't know. I don't even know. Like a lot of people ask. But he was so mentally good. So like, it's a double-edged sword. Because if it wouldn't have been that horse, I wouldn't have done it. Like I knew that horse could. Yeah. And as a-- if you would have been a gilding, I probably wouldn't have done it. You know, as a stallion though, it's worth the time. So the more you're running him, is he acting better or worse as far as-- is he getting hotter? Is he getting more nervous? Is he getting more seasoned? Is he getting too calm, reflected? Just understands the assignment. I could tell. He's like, hadn't made a run in a couple weeks or something. You know, he'll be a little strong in the first run back. But then just settles-- settles in. --settles back into it. Right, I see you. Right, yeah, it's going well in the summer. What happens next? So we get-- so like he kind of keeps me in there. He keeps me in top 15 the whole time. Well, now I'm like at 15. So we're-- I remember we're in Piala, Washington. And he didn't do great there. He wasn't bad. But I think I was one for making it back to the finals. But he does not love when the arena has-- if this is your timer, and then that's the gate. So if it's like a short area to stop, he doesn't like that. He likes the alleyway. And when you go in the north and the northwest, it's like a closed arena. And they want him to loop. He doesn't loop. He doesn't see the point in going left when he knows he has to go out the gate to the right. He's just like-- that's a lot of things he is great at. That is not one of them. And you're in no ring, Snaffle. Yeah, I don't know. And so I miss it by one. I remember somebody asking, they're like, what are you going to do when you don't make the finals? Well, at this point, I'm like, oh, I'm freaking getting there. Because I'm like-- So did it become a goal at that point to make it fun? Yeah, because it was so hard to win 100,000. That's the hardest 100,000 I've ever had to win. It was so hard. And I'm like, what if I have to do this again? Yeah. Like, holy shit. Because he just-- he worked. He put in so much work for that to go-- Yeah. --how it was going. OK. --so I joked and I was like, oh, I'm making the finals. And so I always joke that I swear-- my horse speaks English, OK, I swear it. So I get back and I'm like, you know, when I get back down towards Texas, it's going to be more of my kind of setups. And so I get down here. We stop in Albuquerque, and I joke. And I'm like, OK, audio's like, you're going to have to step it up part. I'm running out of time. And so it's more of his kind of setup takes lead to Albuquerque. So then we drive like the next night, I'm up at Abelene. So we drive to Abelene. And I'm like, OK, well, I'm like bottom of the ground and everything lasts out. And you know, but I'm still like-- How much does that affect a lot? Because I know you bow as crazy about fucking ground. And really-- Yeah, how much does it really affect their run if you're lost in the draw? It can not be. The joke in the-- The joke in the-- In the industries is you can never please a bow race in a woman when it comes to ground. OK, that's the fucking joke. Of course, yeah. So tell me the truth. How much does it really matter to the road? So I would say, in my opinion, from the maturity side, I would say it could make the difference like a couple of tents, like maybe you're not going to win the round, for instance, but you still could probably be-- Yeah. --you could probably still play. So I have pretty good confidence in that. And rodeo, you play-- OK, it's that dramatic. You're out. If you're on the wrong day or-- I've been at some bottom of the ground where they went in there and did the best they could do. And it still is half a second or more off of the pack. So is it because they're not getting traction? Is it because it's so deep-- It could be a million things. Well, probably a lot of it is going to be where this one rodeo was only one time a year, and they started working it Tuesday, and they run slack Wednesday. So the ground still sucks. And then it just gets better as it's like watered and worked every single day. It just gets faster as it goes. And then they leave, and nobody does anything there for another year. Fair enough. So I think it's just more than likely consistency. Also, different places that you go. It's going to be different people that-- you know, I was joking, because I'm like, it was a professional organization. But sometimes it's like Jim Bob's uncle that's dragging their arena. So like-- And it's hard because we're on really expensive horses. So like, I care. And so when we're coming back through to this point, bottom of the ground or whatever, he takes the lead at Abling. And I'm like, oh, hell yeah. Because now I just secured. Those were both playoff rodeos, so we're trying to get into Sioux Falls. So like those two runs secured him into Sioux Falls. Has he got a bit of a fan base by now at the rodeos of people cheering him on? Huge fan base. Cheering you on. You feel support from the crowd a little bit? He has a huge fan base. That's awesome. Yeah. 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I'm going to do. So you can qualify on any horse and still make it correct? Yes. Okay. I gotta keep remembering it's not about that horse. Okay. So can you enter up more than one horse on a rodeo to try to earn more money? Okay. Just one horse per rodeo. Yes. So it's not like you can stack the odds and have three horses in it. Correct. Okay. But you can change the horses out. Yes. Okay. So I fly. So I joke because in the very beginning of the year like it's always just been this joke that audio. He's got such a big ego and like he's going to make it on his own. Right. And so but every time I try to do something different it basically goes catastrophically wrong. So it's like I borrowed a horse for Cheyenne. It's a really nice horse. It was a terrible run. It's a super nice horse. Like he's won a bunch. It just was like not his setup. He didn't love the. He was just a whole thing and I was like it's I'm wasting my time. So then I go in at borrow horses for the Southern stuff. Same kind of deal. Like it's just not going right. So I end up canceling all the rest of my flights. And I'm like I'm going back to Sioux Falls. They let you in there. Reena there. And you can win a lot of money there. Like 20, 30,000. So like it could be a big jump. And so I'm like I'm going to go back to Sioux Falls. I'm just going to focus on that run my race. Like this is what I'm going to be. And so I did a video right before I'm going in like I'm sitting on him getting ready to like go back up in the back. And I kind of have like this days you'll have a moment. And I'm like I know that this run tonight means if I make the finals or not. Like it's that kind of pressure. Like we're down one run. This is it. Like if I make the finals you're guaranteed $4,000. If you make the finals I'll be safe. Nobody can catch me. Yeah. If I don't make the finals. I'm out. So you ladies are fucking counting the dollars. You're in there every night pennies. You're counting pennies. You're counting. It does not matter how you get there. A penny matters. First of all, you heard of a woman counting pennies. Yeah. And so usually you ladies are fucking horrible at math. But you're counting pennies. It's funny. You know when it comes to winning money you bitches are counting pennies. When it comes to spending the man's money. Fuck pennies of bullshit. Let's go for the $100 bills. So you you have to know. So I go and I have it all lined up you know for everything. So I do video and I'm like this feels like my eyes that I almost feel like days off because I made a video of BFA. And I was like in the finals and I was like if he wins this or if he wins money here this is where he's going to take over the high maturity horse. And he did it. And so I'm like I'm doing my little video and I'm like you know I'm like in tears. So you know the second all mean nothing is in season. He's run his freaking guts out for him all year like he's done more than I could ever have even asked him to do in just an incredible horse. And so I go in there and he gets back to the short round. So I'm like okay so like I'm pretty much 98% there like I think mathematically there's only like one girl like and even catch me anyway it moves it around or whatever so that I'm like pretty good but you still got to like get all the way through. So I was joke because I swear he speaks English so then I'm like you know I school him a little differently depending on what I need. So like at two falls you have to make two rounds and you need to be I think they take the top eight back to the finals. You need to make two rounds but if you hit a barrel you're out but if you're not fast you're out. So like you're kind of you need to be kind of safe but also kind of fast. So I'll school him a little differently. So I'll keep him a little more around because it's a little bit safer of a way. Well I come back in that morning and sharpen him up. Well he wins the semi-finals and then he ends up second in the finals and so he ends up winning like 25,000 and super solid yet now. So like now we're going to the finals and you know I always like give that horse so much credit because like anytime you're like you need it in me cold. Yeah. I need you to step it up. He's like so you got home now and give him a rest or you know NFIs and DeSemba. Not in close because they think it's really fun to put the circuit finals like the next week after the season ends. So I literally and I wanted to go to Pinkbuckle which is the other show so he's in the young guns and stuff for that so so we literally go to young guns and circuit finals so he gets home that week yes to make like six runs. So I'm like oh my goodness. Hell of a week. Yeah okay so then but then my thinking on that is I'm getting ready to have to make 10 rounds. Yeah. And so I was like well six might kind of be like might be kind of good to see how he handles it. Yeah like does he get a little you know dole somewhere or is he get excited or like what's he do. He was fine. He did great. He ended up he won money at Pinkbuckle and then he ended up second in the circuit finals so he ended up reserve champion there and that money counts towards this year's 2026 standing so which is all it's all really confusing but. Right well let's move forward now fast forward you go to the NFR. Yeah correct first time ever being there correct. Yes okay. Yeah because this is my first dream of yours as a young kid is this a is this a period. So not really okay because because rodeo doesn't make no money. If it doesn't make you know money why does so many people do it? Is it a great question? Is it a status? I think it is I think it's a little bit of that like the you know making the finals is a big deal. Okay okay so like but it's that's the hardest 140,000 I've ever earned him a lot. That's that's what I'm getting it seems like a lot of fucking. Also like I had to have a truck shipped out to me to call well I mean does yeah you don't ever know where you're staying so and in some places you stay you get killed on stalls or because you don't have anywhere else to stay yes or you know shavings that you're thrown away every day like you know to take to really take care of your horses on the road. It's very difficult. How do you take care of them farrier wise? I flew my shirt out all year. Oh you're shooting me you flew him out to where you were. So did he have a set of equipment in your truck or how did I. So I opted I bought everything he needs to keep with me and then I had him pre-shaped shoes for audios that if I jerked a shoe somewhere that anybody could just put it on. Yeah. Because if you have supplies it's not that hard to find somebody to put one on. Yeah. Yeah. But if you don't have any supplies it's really tough. So is that odd for you to fly a ferry or you know that's pretty standard at your level. I think at that level probably a lot of people do but I also know no matter what it costs because so like at that point I'm very business minded okay so like to me rodeoing I know rodeo doesn't make money. Yeah. I don't expect to make any money in rodeo. So I'm gonna enter how I need to enter pay what I need to pay. Find my sugar out. Because I already know rodeo loses money. Stallion breeding makes money. The amino's makes money. We sell it on a merch. Merch makes money. That all that side is fine. That's what's gonna pay for whatever the hell else we're doing over here. So like if I could even just break even on the season that'd be great because I'm not rodeoing to make money. Yeah. Like I'm rodeoing to my side. So you want to have the ferry so as you give him the best chance you know always say in business you better have a damn good attorney and a damn good accountant and being a horse trainer you better have a damn good failure and a damn good vet. Because if you are out there and Joe below puts a shoe on your horse and cripples him. Yeah you're fucked yeah. You're out. Yeah that's exactly. And a lot of people will win him. Right now let's move forward a little bit here to the NFL. You take him out there, where's your headset? You're excited, you're not excited. Do you feelin' like that year of season and evening? You're like, you gotta real shot at this. Do you know the other girls that ride in some damn good horses? Like, talk to me about where your headset is on. - I mean, you know that's the best horses that are gonna be there. - Yep. - You know, and then 10 rounds is a lot. You say 10 rounds, 10 rounds, 10 rounds. Like, so you know it's that. But until you're doing 10 rounds, like I come out after the third round and I got the flu like the Vegas crap. So I was like dying in the beginning of this whole deal. And then I come out of the third round and I was like, I remember looking at my girl and I was like, holy shit, I was like, we're, we have seven rounds left. And I feel like I've been in Vegas for a month. - Even just with one horse? - Yes. - It's just that exhausting. Let me ask you, I've also wondered, you know, obviously girls competed night time. - Did they let you practice during the day? Are you loud in that arena? - So like I think every other day they had morning practice. It's like 5.30 in the morning. - Okay. - So I laugh. - And you each have individual time? - Nope, they like put you in line and you have like a, you just go through and then you get back around in line. - So they just, like a congal line. - Yeah. - You go in like an exhibition type deal. - Yeah. - Do you have 30 seconds in there? What do you got in there? - Whatever you need, but without setting off the other girls. - Okay. - Yeah. - So luckily audios is only-- - And they do that every other day. - Yeah. - Okay, at 5.30 in the morning. - Yep. - Okay, right at then. - So pretty early. And then luckily he's so good-minded. So like his maturity year for instance, I would say I only went through the barrels at home maybe five or six times, like nothing. I usually just ride him, 'cause he's so smart. So I always joke, like I feel like sometimes horses get bored on the pattern and I was like, well if he's gonna be bored, he can be bored, low-pins orgles. - Like whatever. And so I would just get on him and I would just trot him through one time and then just more to get him out of the stall. - So how did you do in the rounds? Do you, we competitive? Did you win some of the rounds? How did that go? - So he won the most money of any of the horses. So he won 245,000, he won two rounds. - Two rounds and you won the average, is that right? - I was third in the average, but I was only two seconds behind the average winner and I hit a barrel, which is a five second penalty. - Okay, very good. - So that he, the time, he was really solid the entire time and when I caught-- - Did you just say you won 245,000 during the 10 days? - Yes. - You're shitting me. - Yeah, that's where you're mind. - But you stood in and win the average? - No, 'cause it's a time. - Uh-huh. - No, so when you go there, you can win the rounds or but they total your time only. - Okay, it's not the money you won when the average is the time. Okay, I'm trying to figure out how the fuck when that much or not win the average. - Okay, and so, but what's crazy is I come into the finals in 11th place and I finish second in the world. - Oh, that's awesome. - Congratulations. - I would have been happy, I joke, I'm like, if he could have won like one round and then 100,000, that would have been a success. Because the biggest thing coming into that, I didn't wanna have a lot of pressure because he's five. I have a lot of years left, a lot of horse left. He's, I want him to have a good time, a good experience to have fun because he's that kind of horse. He's kind of like the party guy. He wants to just have a good time. If he's having a good time, you're gonna win a lot of money. That's just him, you know? So I really wanna focus on taking care of his mind because 10 rounds is a lot to ask of course. - To some of those, do those horses, as they get tired or through the 10 rounds, do they get better at running or do they get worse at running? You know what I'm trying to ask you? - Kind of both, so like a lot of them, they do struggle or they'll give them a day off and you can swap horses and stuff in there. What's funny is in the beginning, audio was really strong in the alley, but just they were like, what are you gonna do to school on? And I was like nothing because like, same thing as a very first race. So like I'm like, he's in this situation. The call's human, so freaking loud. You can't even hear yourself think. And he's young. So he's never been in this kind of situation. So I'm like, he's just trying to figure out how to handle his emotions. And he's getting really excited. But he wants to go and work. And so for me, I was like, I'm just gonna give him a little couple rounds of grace to like, to entertain himself by the end walks, slap her to the end of the game and just like, go to the gym. - He's got better. He's got way better as I went. Yeah, and just 'cause I think he loves the work, but just to like get his, the excitement of like, okay, this is fun, but okay, what we are here to work. - So you accomplish what you accomplish, which is pretty unheard of for a horse that young, correct, a five year old, to do that. - Yeah, also, and like, 'cause this is like a whole fairy tale. He crosses a million dollars in the 10th round. - Oh, truly, that's awesome. - Yeah, I'm like, you can-- - As there being other barrel racing horses that are crossed a million. - So, Mares, yes, he's the youngest horse across all Western disciplines to cross a million. - He would be, yeah. Now that you think that through, yeah. - And so, and then he's with the stallion deal. So he crossed the high money stallion in barrel racing in April. And then he got the fastest barrel stallion at the finals. So when he won this first round, that's the fastest stallions ever around. - What is his registered name? - Adios. - Adios. - Adios, Pantalonus. - Okay, that's his registered name, and his bond name is Adios. - Adios. - Okay, right at that. So that was last December. - Yep. - Today it's February now that we're having this podcast. So now you're back into breeding season again. - Yep, and starting to rodeo. - So you're not gonna quit both. You're not just gonna breed him. You're gonna rodeo and breed the sunbite. - It's tough because like, you know a lot of people have said like, oh, you should have retired him. But. - Why don't you just use frozen semen? - We do frozen semen, but my priority right now is freezing semen. - Yep. - So like when we go to the breeding farm, so I still take him on a day. - Wait, was he starting high point? - Okay, high point, yep. And so I'll like, I split the collection. So we ship out what we have to do that day and I'll freeze the rest. - What is he stud fee as a bushel? - $2,000, $2,000, $7,500. - $7,500, okay. How many maize do you think you'll breed this year with him? - I would still probably roam $1,75. - Okay. - Yeah. - So is he the highest stud fee in bowel racing industry? - Of a junior stallion. - Okay, what is a senior stud? What is a. - There's some that are around $10,000. - Okay. - And he's definitely the highest of the young stud. - So his oldest fall crop will be two year old this year? - They're three year olds, there's five of them. - Okay. - And do you have all those five? - I have one of them. - Okay. - And then, but I know where all the other ones are. They're looking pretty good. I really, I really like the one that I have. - Mm-hmm. - Then they're, so one cool thing about it is like the, so I'm very fortunate because we've been able to get so much for the stud fee, but his babies are selling for so high, like they're selling for high. So, I mean, the cheapest one I've seen in forever is $25,000. - Okay. - They just had one that went through the BFA sale and it brought $74,000. - That's awesome. - Yeah, so like the coolest thing about that is to see how the marketing, like yes, he's a great sign, he's a great competitor, but they're bringing so much more money because all of the marketing is behind him. And then for me to be able to compete with farms that have huge marketing budgets and not have spent $5 marketing him has been really awesome. - That's awesome. So, so do you have more of, of prospects coming up that you're training now or you've only focused on this horse now that you don't have time to train anymore too? - Nope, I have a bunch. So now I am my own best client. - Yes. - And I have, I mean, never, every like name brand, you know, for Braille Racing that you can have, but I have them just kind of stacked through the year. So I have, you know, five year olds, four year olds, three year olds, two year olds year olds, stuff hitting the ground now. So now it's just kind of like stacked to, my goal is really, I would like to have like two a year for myself. And so I usually start out with like three or four and then kind of just weed through what I think I'm gonna get along with the best and you can go from there. - But when do you decide to cut these barrel racing to your odds? And where is it, I ask that, what does that say, cut, I don't mean stall, you know, I mean cut them from the program. Like I'll make a cut theoretically every four months. So after four months of riding, I usually, I usually give everything four months. Yeah, just to get a good foundation on whether a cut or a rain at Calhose, they all get four months. And then I make my first cut and say, okay, these ones don't feel like they've got enough talent, blah, blah, blah. And then I usually ride them again for another four months. And then I make another cut roughly after eight months of riding and whittle it down. When do you, do you have any sort of system like that or you just cut them whenever the feeling is right that high they're not gonna make it? - Yeah, I mean, just because I don't have too many. So I can usually feel pretty fast. So if they're gonna have like that talent that I want, I'm looking for me specifically because I think sometimes you don't know what you don't know so like you don't know that there's forces out there that will just get it and do it and be what you want them to be. And so like if I don't feel like they're mentally there, I'm gonna sell it because that doesn't mean it's not gonna make a great horse or that they haven't, you know, come on, but I'm like, I'm not waiting till they're eight years old. - Yes. - So I'm like, I'm looking for a three year old, into their three year old year. My goal is to kind of be exhibitioning them, practice runs by summer of their three year old year. And then I kind of want them to like start. Once a week, kind of start, kind of clocking and building up on that to see kind of what we have. Audio. He kind of clocked early, but not like it was just very easy for him. And so. Are you a little bit worried you're going to be spoiled now? And I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, but are you a little worried that like you might have shot your fucking load? Like this could be a once in a lifetime kind of horse. Oh, he's definitely a once in a while. I may not get another one even remotely close to him. Is that crossed your mind? Oh, for sure. Yeah. And I think that's the, you know, a joke about like, you know, selling him because I'm like, "I was a joke, I can't spend the money in prison." Yeah. The first time I see somebody rip on him, I'm going to be in prison because I love this horse. But also like multiple things, I think I would spend all that money trying to find another one. I mean, because what do we do this for? Yeah. I mean, I still want to ride the horse. At that level, yes. You could go through a 300, 400 to find the horse. I'll never find that horse again. And like also, I mean, not only is he a winner, but he's stunningly beautiful and you know, raining, maim, and just, you know, he's like literally I call him Barbie Dream Horse. He is Barbie Dream Horse. Yeah. Like, how do you, I could even have a lot of more nice horses. They're never going to beat that one. Yeah. And so I'm like, well, that's the best it gets. So why would I want to sell them or like all the marketing that's behind all the hard work is done? Do you know how to get to go have fun? You're building any incentives for him for his babies. Are you, you put in any money aside that if people went on your, on his progeny, they get a side part. Is that happening about racing? Well, I'm not really. So he, I've, not a lot as far as like that goes, but he isn't in a lot of the incentive. So he has a Ruby buckle. I bought a breeder challenge spot for him. And then he has a great podcast with Chad Buffy. Did you listen to that one? He did a great job on the podcast and people really liked it. Yeah. He explained all the different pink buckle and Ruby buckle and all that kind of stuff. And a lot of the cutting size now are doing side incentives for that stud to where they can win a shit ton of money if they do really well if it's by that progeny. Yeah. I would, I would like to do some, some of that stuff. And the cool thing is like when they're like him and then they're breeding the amount of mirrors, you can. Yeah. Like they make the money like he, he is, you can justify it for as from a business standpoint. For all of those things because he can support himself. You know. So what is your plan now? Are you going to build your own facility? Are you going to keep leasing stalls where you're at? So during all of this stuff, we've been building our own place. So the last like four years. Where about in mountain springs. So right outside of all of you. Okay. So I bought land up there and then we're actually, we finished the apartment, like the barn, the apartment and everything a couple of years ago now. And then we built a shop last year and then they start on the arena soon. So I'm excited to get a lid. So yeah. Yeah. Finally. Finally you got your own cover. Yeah. That's true for you. So let me ask you. Why, um, um, why do you think there is so much controversy around you and I, and I mean that in a positive way because I love controversy. Okay. And it's never bothered me even from the beginning. Well, you know, one of my old Australian buddies came over a couple years ago. I hadn't seen this guy in 20 years and he looked at me and he said, he said, how do you deal with so many people hating on you? Like when you Google your fucking name, like there's just pages of people shitting on you. He said, how do you deal with that? And I said, I fucking love it. And he said, what do you mean? I said, I love the negativity because that's what gets me my fans. But I said, think about this. And somebody knew comes to the industry and they hear so much shit talk about me. The first thing they're going to do is go watch videos. The first thing they're going to go is go to YouTube. They're going to go to my website because a lot of people are saying, how the fuck does this clip, Anderson gets so much negativity? So the first thing they do is go check it out for themselves. Well, once they go watch my videos and they watch what I do, 80% of them are like, I don't know what the big fuss is about this motherfucker. It doesn't, you know, sure, he swears a bit, but it makes sense what he does. Yeah. I like his videos. I like the way he trained. I like my website and they buy shit. But I would not have got those people to focus on me if it wasn't for the negativity. So I said, I don't want to not be hated on because, okay, when I first got over here in 1997, okay, Monty Roberts was the big dog at the time, you know, Parallel and John were a close second and third. You couldn't go anywhere without people trashing Monty's name anywhere. But back in those days, the horse whisperer movie came out, Shy Boy, the documentary came out and he's fucking book, a book with the queen. I read the book. That motherfucker was filling arenas of 18,000 people. He was smoking everybody. 18,000 people. Crazy. The amount of money he made was astronomical. And people hated his guts. Do you know what you hear now about Monty Roberts? Not at all. Crickets, nothing. So I want to be hated on as long as I can because if people are shitting on you, you're being successful. Yeah. And then people quit shitting on me. I know my career is 100% fucking over. I know I'm a husband at that point. So I don't want them to stop fucking hating on me. I want it in fact, ramp it up a little more because I want some new customers. And that's how I get new customers is from the negativity. And when I explain it to him like that, he said, I never thought about like that. And I said, "Fucking, it's publicity's publicity. I don't care if people are shitting on me and hating me or praising me. I just need them talking." Yeah. And the one they're just talking whether they hate on me or praising me, I winny either extreme. It doesn't bother me one little bit. So why do you think you never shied away? Did you get that message early on in your career that you didn't worry about what people say? How did you deal with negativity? Because I've often found women take it a lot more personal. As a general rule, they struggle with the criticism. Me, I couldn't give a flying fuck. It just bounced off me right from the beginning. And you really better have a bit of an ego if you're going to be in the public's eye because people will attack you with bobs. And if they see a small fucking chicken, if they see a blood in the water, they see a small chicken, your arm, and they're coming for your throat. So how did you adapt to that as you went through your career? Have you always had a bit of a not-give-a-fuck attitude? So probably, yes, a little bit. And also, I'm definitely the person that if you tell me I can't do something, I'm going to. I love that. And so I think. So you use negative energy as positive energy? Oh, a fuel all day long. And that's what's been fun, especially with audio, because it's like I heard so much that they can't. And then I'm in a laugh now, because they're like, all those comments, it's like the video of him at BFA rearing up. And a lot of people are like, oh yeah, I come to see because we heard so much bad stuff on that. And I think that's what I think about the audience. But I kind of make fun of them back. And I think that was stupid shit. fucking name right up there. She outs herself in the comments, but I post it and I say, turns out your haters really do share your stuff. 'Cause she shared my post to try to say something terrible about me and then she's actually just, you know, making me money, so roll on. And so they, she outs herself in the comments, well then it goes on this whole thing. So she said to me like this really nasty message and I say, I write back, I think you meant to say, I'm sorry for attacking your character even though I don't know you at all. (laughing) Well, like, and she's like, well, I have kids, but I was like, what do you think my kid thinks? Yeah, yeah, yeah. People, there's a few people that thought I roasted this bitch too much. And you know, you're picking on a blah, blah. No, the internet's fair game. For 25 years, people have been shit on me, saying whatever they want, post a nasty shit. If you put something on the internet, it's fair fucking game. Fair fucking game. I don't do kids because kids are in the kitchen. No, I wouldn't do that. Yeah, so like, and I joke 'cause I'm like, I'm sure when I was like, for again, 16 I said, well, dumb shit, they get a free pass for me. Yeah, I agree. I know all of them. And then, but I'm like, these are our grown adults. Fucking adults. Yes. These are adults that take something and then roll with it. And then I'm like, I get in a lot of trouble because I think it's really funny when people hate on you to make funny merch and sell it and I'm really fast at it. And so like, my company that I use for that does a great job because I'll like have it all mocked up and I'll sell it all weekend and then Monday morning, I send them the file and they're rolled with it. And so like, there's a lot of those that make fun of. I've always, yes, you're turning negative into positive. And because like, why shouldn't we be able to laugh at it? Perfect example of this. I, a few years ago now, maybe at least five years ago, I shaved my head. Like, I'm like, I'm bald now, you know what I mean? But at 50, I had to pick a team. You either shave your fucking head or do the comb over, you know what I mean? So I picked my team. But about five years ago, I thought to myself, I noticed I was going bald and I thought, I wonder what I looked like bald. So I fucking shaved my head, okay? And I thought it was funny myself and I posted a photo of it. And somebody hated on me and put like a fake wig on me and tried to make me look bad. And somebody sent it to me and I fucking thought it was hilarious. I wasn't offended by it at all. So I said, let's have some fun with this. So I put a competition out and I said, and I said, we're going to give away a free saddle to however comes up with the funniest photo. Here's my bald head, put whatever wigs you want on. They did it. So we made a competition out of it. I made $40,000 in sales that weekend. Because it generated that much traffic to my website that, because I get a report every midnight, I get an email report of what my sales were for the day. So by the end of the fire, by the end of basically Sunday night, over three days, my sales had gone up $40,000 over two and a half days. So I turned the negative into a positive. We all had a great laugh at my expense. I thought it was hilariously funny. But that's what I'm saying. Learn to turn negative shit into positive shit. Take negative stuff and make money from it. And I've always been really good at it. Who shaves their head and make 40 green? Yeah. I fucking did. Yeah. You just made me 40 grand richer. And that's what I think that's where I get even with the haters is I love it because they just make me more money, which pisses them off even more. That's the best part, though, because I think even in our industry, like, you know, I think some people just don't know that every move we make is calculated. Like all the social media is marketing. It's all part of a bigger plan. It ties everything else together. Like it's very calculated. And so I think people don't understand. And I'm like, I have all the marketing that I do, which is a ton. I'm like, I still have people all the time that say, do you breed your stallion? Did you fraternity him? Did you do this? Did you do that? And I'm like, gosh dang, we got this out there and on stop. So my people in like, I would just, their peers would be like, we know your stallion is good. Like, I don't know why you have to keep posting him. And it's like, you've always got a market. That was right over their head. You've always got a market. All the time. OK, here's how I explain to people. Would you say Coca-Cola would probably the most recognized brand in the world. There's a small kid in fucking Africa that knows what Coca-Cola is. He's four years old. That motherfucker knows what Coca-Cola is. So you would say if you're the most recognized brand in the world, you probably don't need to advertise anymore. Well, they spend hundreds of millions of dollars advertising Coca-Cola. The reason they do that, even though they're the most well-known brand in the world, if they stop marketing over the next three years, Sprite, you know, every Pepsi, every other brand of soda will slowly erode their market. So in three years, they won't be number one anymore. So now if they need to go spend money, it'll cost a lot more money than what they would have spent over three years to get that market share back. So even at my dear, I still spend a shitload of money on marketing because you have to keep feeding. It's like marketing is kind of like, in my opinion, Trisha, like a blood bank. Red Cross is always looking for new donor. They've got to find new blood all the time. So I'm looking for new customers all the time. And my haters bring a lot of those customers to me because they spread my name so much. Most people have never heard of me. Google Clinton Anderson, they find negative shit and then they start looking at my videos. Now, some of them don't. Some of them will believe they hate. Well, guess what? I'm a fuck because I never meant them anyway. I was never going to be exposed to me as what I'm saying. And they would never spend money with him anyway. So I constantly spend money on marketing advertising because that's how you keep your name. That's how I did this podcast. This podcast, I budgeted a hundred grand a year for it. It's just a playful fuck off thing for me. That I just wanted to sit down, have a couple of cocktails and bullshit with interesting people. This podcast has taken off like, I never even dreamed in a billion years it would take off as much as it did because it wasn't supposed to be a separate business. It was supposed to be fun. But it's taken off because we're having real fucking conversations with real people about shit that goes wrong in life, shit that goes right in life and it's not politically correct. And it's been tremendously successful. And just because we, I was just a brand in tool for me. That's all it was. I'm up with it as I, this is just a branding fucking tool. I'm going to spend a hundred grand on advertising. When I say a hundred grand, I'll have to buy expenses for it. If it works, it works. And as long as it keeps my name out again, I either want them cousin me or praising me. I don't give a flying fuck which one it is. Just keep talking. Yeah. And I think it's just important to remember that all those negative people like, you know, when they say, well, what, you know, why do you not care? It's like they were never going to be my clients anymore. You're not going to barbecue with them. The only people I care about their opinions, to be honest with your Trisha, the only people's opinion that I truly do care about what they think of me is the people that I think if I'm on my deathbed and I got cancer, who will really be there for me? If I had to count, who I think will be by my side. However, many know it'll probably be a pretty small number. But that's the number. That's the people that if they come to me with an opinion of me, I'll listen. Yeah. That's serious. But if you're not in that circle of people and you're shitting on me, I couldn't give a flying fuck because you're not going to be there when I fucking need you. You're not going to be there when my doc is fucking out. The people that are there and my doc is out are the ones that all heed their advice. I'll take them real seriously of what they say, what they think, you know, and I'm trying to say they. Oh, yeah. And I think too, just like, just with all of the negativity, it does it just breathe. It does bring a lot of traffic. My favorite though is the people who tell me I'm dramatic, but they post whatever situation on their page about me. And I'm like, you're in no way involved in this. Like they get mad at me for responding to something. And I'm like, you're sharing this crap or stirring the pie and you have literally nothing at all. And then you're saying that I'm the dramatic one who's only responding when I'm like provoked to respond. I always say this, keep doing what's working. Clearly what you're doing is fucking working. It's been a pleasure talking to you and I'm glad I've get to meet you and I'm very proud of what you've done and excited to see you keep doing good. I always asked the guest if you could go back to an 18 year old, Trisha, what would you tell yourself, life advice, whatever it is? I'm not saying we'd listen or not at that age, but if you could go back to an 18 year old yourself, what would you tell yourself? What would you want to sit down and coach yourself on to do different in life? What's so bad on, but just different? I think I wish I would have focused more on like the financial and business lessons earlier. I had to learn so many of those the hard way or just so many things about like where you waste money or just I feel like if I could have been a little sharper at that early on, he would have really propelled me later. So ended up getting there, but I think I could be twice as much. I agree. I had just thought, but even for my family, I just didn't even know to have that. No, you didn't have a mental. You didn't have a mental. My brother, my best friend, he's worth about 100 million and his son's 28 now and he's going to sell his first company for 40 million. He's 28 years old. And Tom and I were talking and he said the Clinton he had all the mentorship for me and his mother. He didn't make any of the mistakes me and you made. He had that correct mental shift. Now he's a go-getting kid and he's a hustling mother fucker. But he never got to make any mistakes 'cause we showed him what not to do. We handled all his books, we handled his accountants, we made sure he wasn't getting stolen from. So sure, yeah, at 28, he's selling his first company for that kind of money, but we didn't have that mentorship. We had to figure out how the playground works by getting bloody noses. And that's why I happily share my bloody noses with everybody because I want you to fucking learn from them. Yes, it would have been nice if you could alert those lessentrisher but you didn't have a mental there. So you did the best that you could with it, you know. - Bloody noses. - Bloody noses, you gotta figure out how you get a few bloody noses to figure out how the playground works. - First, sure. - I'm gonna be following you now myself. And I love what you're doing and I'm glad you're here and I wanna celebrate your successes. Congratulations to you. Congratulations to your great start. And I just wish the world for you. - Thank you so much. - Cheers, beautiful. - Great to have you here. - Thank you. - Today's episode was filmed and produced by In a Cut Productions, marketing by Stuart and Associates and organized and administrative by Down Under Horsemanship. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to hit the subscribe button and leave a rating. Follow us and stay up to date on social media, including Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and YouTube. See you next time, mate. Cheers.