Ep.26 | Jono Ellis | West Kimberly Barramundi & Livescope Tactics

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We got a bit more of a specialist in the hot seat. Someone who I'm only just meeting for the first time, but I've known for a little while on social medias, mates with a lot of my mates. We got John O'Ellis, good root barra fisherman from upper around that Derby area. He's down in Perth for a little bit and it's pretty easy to spot the Derby bloke mate 'cause it's 40 degrees and I'm sweating my balls off and he's sitting here in jeans. - That's a great mate, welcome. - No, cheers guys, cheers for having me. - Yeah, Derby raised, but born, you're living in Broome? - No, born in Derby, I lived there 24 years, schooled in Broome and then I moved to Broome. - Oh yeah, nice. - Yeah, but got a bit of heat for that Broome local. I wish you put up, last time. - I did, I did, I did. - You thought it was under the bus. - Yeah, well I just said Broome local, well I guess what, you said I had met John over for that. I just assumed you were pretty, - Yeah, pretty big ride. - Oh, I apologize. - Stitchy up, so we start every episode pro. With the last fish you caught. Can I have a wild guess? (laughing) Was it a bearer? - Yeah it was, yeah, thought so. - It's alright. - What, and yeah, what, so how big was it? - It was only, I think it was 89 or something, but we got along lower off the sky, but it was in flood water so it's filthy. - Yep. - And yeah, it was, we don't really measure them, we just kind of, we have a sticker on the side of my boat and it's, you know, the old, unbreakfish. - Yeah, yeah. - We can't just, you know, unhook it, just kind of, like, get out of it. - Yeah, about it. - And then just throwing back. - Well, when it's fucking 87 centimeters and I see some of the fish that you land, I'm surprised you even put it on the sticker mate. I'd be, yeah, only measuring 120's I think. - Yeah, 'cause it's the fish you got. - It's the fish you got. - Instagram man, pretty impressive. I wanna, one of, before we move on from that, you mentioned first rains in the flood water. - Yeah. - And actually going out and having a stab at fishing. - How did, how does that affect the fishing around Derby? Because we fish that kind of narrow panic-host area. We've spoken about it on here before, Rothey, but it completely ruined our trip. Like the fishing, like shut down. - It's got me one or did it ruin it or we just not put it up and out. - No, it definitely is hard. That black water, the first kind of rain brings all the, like, the drift food and all the, like, trees and rubbish and all sorts and the water's filthy too. - And there's no nutrients, no bait, no, that's what we figured out. 'Cause it looks fishy, but you catch fuck off. - Yeah, and you can see him, you can see the fish cruising around and your cast and Lewis element, they're just not interested. Still haven't really worked out. I don't know whether it's because of, yeah, the oxygen and the water, the water clarity or they're just kind of getting used to it, but, yeah, we've had, I've had proper doughnut sessions as well. I did a similar trip up in Cunners. That build up time and we got a whole heap of rain. We spent 10 days up there, I think I caught two, Barra. - Yep. - Under 80 centimeters. So, yeah, hard fishing even for the best. - At what time would you say when the rain comes to the buildup where it starts going from, all right, the rain's a big negative thing to, it's actually, - Yeah, that's a tough one as well. Like, I do things how I think things work. I think if you get a couple of tides in and it mixes around a bit, 'cause we're fishing the Fitzroy. So it's the fresh is coming down, but then you've also got the huge level of metatides that we'll mix in with it. So, big things bait too. So, you've got that, what you're saying is there's that salt water and then the fresh water, it's a pretty hard line. Where it kind of moves in and out. - Yeah, but if you get the tide coming, so yeah, right, you get the tide coming flush it up. It sort of dilutes, dilutes and mixes a little bit. - Yeah, and like, I just feel like the fish get, takes them a bit to get used to it. - Yep. - And yeah, 'cause we've found, you know, crazy amounts of fish and then you just cast them. I was at them in there. They're not even like, you know, looking at it. They're not even sniffing. They're just stuck on the bottom or they're just moving through. So, that's a beauty of fishing with scope. You can see how they sort of balance it. - Yeah, yeah. - We've got a lot of questions on scope coming through from our listener questions that I put out last night. I was actually surprised how many listener questions we got overnight, but we'll get into that anyway. But do you remember your first ever barrage? Said you grew up in Derby, is that where it was? - Yeah. So, my old man's pretty old school. He doesn't have boats. He's Derby born and raised as well. So, it was always thrown at in handlines. I think I would have been about four and a half off the Derby jetty. I just called it a nice big thready. And that was my first good fish that kind of had me hooked and then from there on out is like, you know, finish school, you're jumping the car, you're jumping the Alters-Zurkey and you cruise across the Derby Martian, thrown at in the back in a bucket full of handlines and you just sit out and until it gets dark and then it goes, yep, right, we're going. On the handlines in and, but, yeah, my old man's a bit of a handlining legend. - Yeah. - Yeah, big time. - Yeah, nice, yeah. - So, I'm on the handline. - No, sorry, why not? (laughing) - Right here. - Have you seen that handline that let caught that big bow? - No. - Said it was big 20. - 120 pound, 150 pound or something. - Yeah, that's a thing in the panic hustle got the trophy. We talked about this every episode now, which I don't want. - Yeah, and I'm never gonna hear the end of it. Yeah, we did, we'll ask you about the panic hustle a little bit later as well, but we, at most racing trip up with Bertie. So, it was a last resort thing for me. We tried the scope, we've tried bloody troll and everything and then I pulled the handline out and sure enough, meter 11. - Yeah, that's insane. - Yeah, I was pretty, it was on a chunk bait too. - Yeah. - So, I've never, I've never used the chunk baits. So, here and that, when Bertie was on, I was like, "Yeah, I'm on after you've got that." - Yeah, so, it'll be interesting to see if it works as well around Derby. - Surely it does. - Sure, it works for Malloway out in the surf here. Yeah, there's no reason why. Wouldn't like to bait really, isn't it? - Yeah, so even the guys that fish in the surf, it was, I'm gonna start trying, rather than just using the fillet now as well. It's like the cutlet thing. 'Cause it's leader on the hooks. - I'm actually interested in trying the dingle dangle stuff. It put a bit of foam in there. So, YouTube channel, they watch Zooloc fishing, they catch those massive South African Cobb. And the way that he builds a bait is pretty impressive, man, he'll spend 10 minutes running it out, hitting it with a tenderized, like a butcher's hammer, tenderizing squid and bait, and you're like, cut off squid tentacles or the hood and pretty much build a squid out of various different bait types. - Yeah, right. - I'm gonna give that a go, but as you know, I fuck around with the technical aspects of life and this out, I don't have enough. - J-H-E-L-A-D-D, buddy, getting it, till he thinks I feel like a squid bomber off. - Yeah, the other thing is when you're using stuff like that, is you do get your scavengers, your catty, your big mud crabs and they just ruin your bait. So, the live is tend to get away from the bottom a little bit sometimes and you do get out of that, but yeah, the catty's a prolific. - That's actually a good call. - Yeah, because I reckon, and they'd probably, I don't know if there's more sharks or whatever in the Derby Creeks, then. - Yeah, we still do get a whole heap of black tips. - Yeah. - But yeah, sharks are pretty bad. - The high fish telegraph recently as well and we got a shit load of sharks in there. - Yeah, man, you got a sawfish as well. - Yeah, big sores and the sharks, the bull sharks and tell these are bad, real bad. - Yeah. - They'll just cruise around, especially with the scope. We kind of thought they were following the sonar in the end. - Oh yeah, like the downway of the mag, yeah, the electrical signal, whatever you call it. - Yeah, yep. - So we would pull up the mincoder, pull up the pole, start the outboard, would race up 600 meters, drop it back down, scope around, turn around, you can just see him coming into the screen. They're just, they're just, they're just, - You're asking their follow on you? - Yeah. - Well, they're just there, they're in such numbers that they're just around. - We did a little Angie's once, we tested it, we thought, fuck, how far are these sharks gonna swim? And we literally boosted up a K or 600 meters and yeah, there they were. - Instantly? - No, they were like, yeah, within five minutes. - Yeah, right. - So it's not a very big stretch of the river, but like you can get up and go and get on the plane. - Yep. - And yeah, they were there. - What possible they're following. - And they're not smacking our lures. It's like they're waiting for us to catch a fish and then they come in. - They're coming. - That's pretty much it. - Yep. - It's like when you're fishing for the whites and that gray fishing out off here. - Yeah. - You'll go out the back of the three mile and sharks just immediately come up to the boat, whereas outside of that time, yeah. - Yeah, you don't really see it. - I don't see any, yes. So what you're talking about with the craze, I went and pulled the pots with my brother, Sammie. And we had five bronzy circles on the boat. - Yeah. - On one potpot. - Yeah. - They're there, they know you. - Yeah, it's insane. There is a huge shark problem in Broom as well. - Yeah. - They've been coming down, yeah man. - Yeah. - Have you got any techniques to get away from that or you just cop it? Nah, nah, just cop it. Wine them in fast, net them fast, get them in green. But the biggest thing is like if you do land a big fish, you gotta release them. You gotta get them away from the sharks. - Yep. - Yeah, you see it all too often. This hasn't been released probably, and it's in half next time you see it all the next morning, you see it, and it's a yeah. - Yeah, the crock set, Fitzroy and Telegraph and Landjees are pretty friendly as well. - Yeah, and they're, I don't know, whether people feed 'em or, you know, shits to them, but they do come up to the boat and had a mate message me last week saying that he had a salty smack to the side of his boat. He wound his lawns in when home, like he was pretty scared, pretty rattled. - Right, so me and Nathan Robb, who I know, you know, he was up in, he was your, what was he, a traitorsist, he was your bitch when you were a welder. - Yeah, yeah. (laughing) He's gonna hate that. But yeah, I fish with him a lot, and we camped in the fish trapping my boat on Telegraph, and fished all night. We didn't get any barrow, we got a couple of sore sharks and then some threddies at like two in the morning. And it was just like, fished a little bit and then we ended up staying away until sun's coming up and we'd seen every crock that night with the torch, so like you can see the eyes everywhere, you sort of keep an eye on where they are. And then the next morning, as a tie was pushing in, big black dark looking crock at all, it's coming obviously with the tide. And it was just 20 metres from our boat, and you could see it's tail just punching into the tide, like just watching us. And I remember Nathan going, "Have a look at this cheeky bastard." - Yeah. - And literally same thing, I put the drone up, it spooked it, and then we sort of forgot about it, and 15, 20 minutes later it come up, half a metre from the back of the boat, and just push like, grow out of us. - Yeah. - What like jumped out of the water? - It's head, so our live bait bucket was on one side. Nathan was fishing on that side, I was at the back of the other boat. So like, here to you from where Nathan was, it would have been three, three and a half metres, its head come up. So like if he was washing his hands or whatever, he would have tapped it on the head, and it came up and it was like, it made like a hissing, growling noise, like, shh, and then Nathan just tapped it on the head with his head. - We spoke about this on the O and Douglas's episode. Okay, he was saying that it might have been like - Like a territorial thing. - Yeah, like the dominant male in the area. - And he was there for a couple of years actually, - That crop. - Yeah. - So I've got a few photos, I've been mad at the water and stuff, but I've got a funny story. Actually, it's not that funny, but I used to sneak off after work and I was working in broom. I'd knock off and tell the Mrs, I'm gonna go for a couple of hours and she's getting, all right. (laughing) And I'd go to telegraph solo and I'd launch a boat solo. So I'd just kind of reverse the boat and the trailer, drop it into the axles and then I'd just leave the trailer in the water. So when I fished around, I could just come straight back in, look it up. - Yeah, didn't really have to get off on the back. - So this is like a Wednesday or in sometime in November or something, so it was hot known as out there camp and it was just me at telegraph, which is unheard of. And I want-- - That because the crocs, that's why it's unheard of. - It's just a busy spot. - It's a busy spot. And so I've launched a boat of, you know, on the mincoder, fishing around, flicking around on the scope and then, you know, caught a few of the rats in that, but nothing hectic. And just 11 o'clock I was like, oh, I'm gonna head home and I was mincodering to the boat and I was like, is that the reflective from my number plate? And then brake lights and I was like, nah, that's sitting about 500m off. And surely enough that crocs sitting at my trailer, wait for me to-- - Oh shit. - Yeah. I've got a video of it. - Oh, I have to send it to you, because it's like-- - That's not funny at all. - Because I was like, what am I gonna do? Like if I got down or screamed for help or something. - You're on your own. - I'm on my own there. And-- - So he's just like, obviously, it's come up to see if anyone-- - He's sitting around the trailer. - He's sitting around the trailer. - Of the number plate. - Back to the trailer. - Yeah. He's sitting there waiting for me to put the boat back on. - No way. - And it was that same, that dark, the darker croc. Yeah, I've got some fighters over me out of the water and stuff. I've been there for a long time and I believe he's been shot now. He's not there, so-- - Yeah, right. - As he was problematic. - Not too sure, but there is the territorial crocs within that area. They have their own spots. There's a massive one at Langes, which is-- - Langes is freshwater as well, right? - Yeah, it's brackish. So the tire does push in there, but there's a monster there. He sits on that old crossing. - Yeah, yeah, where they like wooden beams. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And he's a monster. - Yeah. - We talk about crocs and even sharks as well, quite a bit on this party for a fishing podcast, but like reality is it's part of what we do. And I don't think these stories about gnarly crocs or sharks are ever going to get old. It always makes me a little bit-- - Well, a story, you know, Mick Embley, who's a mate of mine, and sort of introduced me to that fishing around Derby and cuttings and all those sort of spots. He, I would go fishing with him and coming from down here, I'm like, you don't go near the water. And then my first experience is he's waist-deep crossing like Bate Creek getting-- - He's lost for it. - Yeah, he's gonna get eaten. And so then I start getting more relaxed and I'm like, oh yeah, I'll come and hold the bucket. And one of the times I went with him was up-- I further up from Red Rocks. I forget where it was, but there was like a little feeder creek and it would have been 30 meters wide and he's walked across waist-deep and he's like, you can walk the long way if you want or you follow me and I, Zachara, I'll follow you. And then when across, we had a shit day fishing but came back the same way. And then I reckon the next day he sent me a video he was back out there and he's like, see where we crossed? Have a look at that and there was like a four-meter crock sitting there. - Yeah. - And that was the first crock I'd seen in that sort of stretch of the river. I'd never seen him around cuttings in that before. But then as the crow flies, when I went in fish telegraph, there's crocks everywhere. And it's not far at all, hey. - You'd be blown away with the amount of people that you see swimming in that river as well. It's far out like it. It's one day I actually had to tell someone to get out 'cause I was like, he's gonna get done. - You were worried. - He's floating on his back in the middle of cuttings pretty much and I'm just like, (laughs) like I was yelling at him, I was like, just get the fuck out 'cause he was gonna get grabbed, you know? - Yeah. - He was getting down to fish everywhere on the Fitzroy. - Well, if you don't know, you don't know, do you? - But you see him the next day, in town, you go, hey mate, you remember me yelling at you to get out of the river? He's like, nah. - Got the piece. - Yeah. (laughs) - Well that's what I said to me. - We were like, yeah, we had a fucking, mate, my life was in your hands, but I was like, trust in you, and he was like, ah, you know, we're right. - Not like you're yelling at him to be a dick. You're yelling at him 'cause you don't want to see him. - Oh yeah, that's right. And it's like, there's all the people around. And there's kids around. One of my mates, Adon Ratch, he's a bit of a gun for your show as well. He set up right where you and Nathan caught them, Threadies, at Cuddings, and he said he's 10 top where his car was, and they've just a slide mark, come up, check his 10 to out, and then slid back down. - Oh my God. - He woke up in the morning. He was actually solo as well. - Oh! - It's like, they know that there's no one around. - Yeah. - He does the same thing. - There's a school night and there'll be no one out there. - They're cutting busts. - Yeah. - I'll have to get him to send that photo 'cause it's scary. - That's scary. - So while we're talking now, we might as well get into your setup as well. So you mentioned you got a tinny, and we really want to touch on this life scope stuff as well. Because you haven't say pioneered, but you've really dialed it in that region, and you've caught a luck load of massive baramundi. - Yep. - Before you tell us through your setup, do you ever see Crocs and that on the scope? - All the time. You can see him stalking you, you can see him swimming past, you can see him, which way they're facing when they're coming under the boat. Like it's pretty freaky. - Yep. - Before we move on to the setup, as a local couple of tips for people that are gone up there, 'cause we've just spoken about way through the river, we should mention don't fucking do that. - Yeah, don't do it. - If you're going up there, don't, we spoke about it on the birch episode too. It's not worth it. There's always a way around it. If you feel like you're going to miss out on certain part of the tide or the best fish in there, you need to do what you've got to do to, get a fit, it ain't worth it. So don't do it. But what are a few things that you do as a fisherman when you're on your boat, whether it's releasing fish or maybe you don't stand on the edge of your boat? What are a few little things that you do to just make sure that you ain't going to, you can come home at the end of the day. - The biggest thing for me is, yeah, just keep your limbs in the boat, stay away from the edge, all that, it's pretty simple stuff, but when I release my fish, it's usually, you get them in as quick as you can, green or whatever, you take a quick photo and you just bearing back in. That's worked for me. - Still got all your arms. - Yeah, I don't recommend swimming them alongside the boat and holding your arm out like it's just, yeah. I actually have had a couple of smaller crocs come up and whack the barrels out of a hand. So that was it in the earlier days. So it's like, yeah, it's pretty scary. You start on a real remote spot too, like it's just not worth it. - Yeah, and the one you bite, you've said you leave your trailer halfway and the water, you still do that or? - No, I don't think I've been solo since, so. - Yeah, okay. - So you fish with somebody. - Yeah, that was a bit touch and go. That was like, not a wake up call, but it was like, shit, they know what's going on. - Yeah, they're smart creatures. - Even sitting on your gunels and stuff like that as well. - Yeah, I just wouldn't, you know, you've seen the Adelaide River tours like them, Crocs, they can, they can jump, they can. - Oh, where they hold the, Yeah, the jumping, I did that tour that to me. So I'd seen Crocs in the wild and everything before that as well. But that, if you ever get the chance in your upper end, I'll do that Adelaide River Croc tour because what surprised me is how fast they come off the bank. So what they do with these tours, they drive down the middle of the river and the Crocs are all tuned to it. And they know they're gonna get a feed. So you'll see the big Crocs on the bank and then they skirt off the bank, disappear. And then you'll think, I'll probably count to 15, 20 seconds and they'll be by the side of the boat. And same thing is what happened to us. It is half the time that you think it's gonna be and then they just head pops up on the side of the boat. And then they hold up the baits or whatever and you'll see how high they can get. And they easy get six foot out of the water. - Just years of evolution. - Yeah mate, they're a wicked creature. - Have you seen that video just on, like not releasing fish by the side of you? See that video that dude releasing in America is releasing, I don't know what it's releasing fish. And a shark comes up and bites the fish out of his hands and gets a hold of his pinky. It does a full death roll and just this is pinky up, it's fucking horrible. - It's gone viral there for a bit. - But anyway, back to your boat setup bro. So what how are you running and yeah, what how are you running? - I'll just run an old 420 renegade. I've just killed it out. Just I found in Derby, my uncle actually owned it. His blow was rotten, Kirby was blocked, had a little two-stroke on it. I got it for a bit of a steal and slowly did it up. But it's just there for 20 renegade. I think it's 2014, put a new donk on it and put some marine pliant and made it up for cast-ac stereo. It's just got the electronics. That's my number one thing is I love running the. - Same size boat as mine. - Yeah, the 420 is a good all around it. That's what I found when you go up in that region, you'll see a boat drive pass that's probably worth about two grand and it's got 20 grand worth of a leg running. - Start to see a bit more of that. But yeah, I can launch it by myself and retrieve it by myself. - Kill us, I can't sell. - Nah, it's a killer. Got 60 on the back. So she gets up and boogies and. - Mine guys with a 50, a 60-year fly. - Yeah, I got the Merck CT. So. - And what about your electronics package? Talk us through that. - Oh, not so much, it's not really a package. It's just a mincoater really at the front, which is my leaky and then I'll just run the Garmin 16 with the live scope and a GT-56 on the back. So it's just a sonar. - Yep. - And. - That's your one Meg transducer too. You get pretty clear. I've seen some mental side imaging and down imaging. - Yeah. - A GT-56 transducer. - Yeah, they are good. - Pretty impressive. - But one thing that the scope doesn't do is it doesn't read the depth. So if you run the transducer on the back, it shows on the screen how debut are as well. So that's a handy thing to know. So before we get into the live scope and ask you too many questions, probably should explain what it is to a lot of people that don't know what it is. - Yeah, so if you're not sure what live scope is, there is I guess sound manufacturers adopting live technology into their sonar reading. So pretty much what it is is you put a transducer in the water. It's on a pole and you can direct the transducer in a particular direction. And let's say you've got a fish in front of you. You can actually see that fish swimming in live time. So you can cast a lure out in front of it. You can twitch your lure. You can see your lure moving. You can also see the way the fish reacts. So that's pretty much the layman's - As opposed to what it is. - A lot of the still image of what you've driven over. - Yeah, so I scan which is just a still image of what you've passed. You actually, it's like an ultrasound when your Mrs is having a baby or whatever and you're watching the baby move around. - That's a great analogy. - Yeah, so you can actually see the manual. So the, what is it? - Manualisms of a fish and also casting your lure. You'll be able to watch your lure swim past and see if the fish is going to take it. - Yeah, that's exactly. So I use a lot of perspective mode, which is a lot of the landscape version. So it's a 170 degree beam. And yeah, just like that's why. - Yeah, so I think it's 170. Yeah, it's 170, I'm pretty sure. And I just stand up the front. I've got the screen in front of me. Or I sit on the camp chair behind me and just pull the screen out. And it's a lazy man fishing when you're doing a lot of that and you're sitting down casting. But yeah, you just cruise around the leaky, cruise up the snags and it's good fun. I love the chase. It's no guessing. It's like you can see the fish that's cast at the fish kind of thing. - Yeah, does it, has it, it's a funny one with fishing, like you said, it's like it's cheating. And you see that with the ear. - That's curious. - It'll talk. - It's, well, it's not for everyone, but it is for a lot of people and like it obviously has helped your fishing in terms of catching big fish. It's that mean video of that old guy that's like, what is this bullshit? I'm supposed to know where the fish are and where they hide and he's like, that's fucking cheating. Like it's hilarious. Like the old school guys would hate it. But for you, how has it changed your fishing? Has it ruined it for you in a little way where you sort of, you'll go up to a snag with hope and you'll just, before you even put a cast in, you'll be able to swing this thing around and just know that there's no fish there or there is fish there? - Yeah, in a sense, my understanding is like, I've done, I have done the years and years of bait fishing and the waiting and like, that was awesome. That's exhilarating as well. But now it's like, I've worked full-time job. I've got a, I've got a, I haven't got as much time. So it's like, now this is saving me a lot of time because I just find the good times, good times to go, the check the weather, you go dunk your boat and you know, you have your best chance in that amount of hours you've got. So it's like, yeah, it's, I love the chase as well. So, but yeah, a lot of people are, they're on the fence about it. They think it's cheating and you shouldn't be able to see the fish and cast that on, but I can tell you right now, it's not as easy as just putting the pole in and. - We spoke about that yesterday. So I wanted to ask you, sort of, like you just said, it's not as easy as you think. It's the same with side scan, you know, it took me a while to figure out side scanning mull away in the reverse, you know, sort of my bread and butter. But it took me a while to actually figure out what a mull away looks like, how to dial in the settings, how to dial in the contrast, what different frequencies did for certain distances and that sort of thing. I can assume it's only the same with live scope. Was there a misconception that you had maybe going into it when you actually got live technology on your boat where you were like, oh, fuck, that's not as easy or I've got to change that. - So what was something you thought would just actually straight away? - I, I, I, I purchased it a few years ago and it was, I actually had the hummingbird stuff and I was struggling big time with trying to get the, the live zone to work on that. So I ended up giving up on the live, going back to bait fish and just blight casting and then I sold the hummingbird gear that had the best side scan at the time. - Yeah. - And then you can chirp or whatever it was. - Yeah, and that was real good. So I ended up selling all that and then I went to the garment and just had a bit more of a play around. They had a few more settings and real clear kind of settings. So yeah, just went from there and yeah. - Man, actually catch a shit load of fish. - Pretty much, yeah, it was, I wish it was that easy, but yeah, it's been a lot of time with the settings and stuff and then my summer mate started to get him. Tommy White, he's a gun. He's, he's a bit behind the scenes. He doesn't like posting anything. He stays under the radar, but he's a, yeah, he's a gun for sure. - So what changed though gone from hummingbird to Garmin? Was it just a clear image? - Just a clear image. - You could, you could, I pretty much couldn't see anything on the mega. - Yeah, come. - In the dirty water. I want to put it down to that. I think hummingbirds like more so bass, like clear, bass and stuff. So American. - Yeah, struggled big time with that. But I think they brought out the mega live too now and I think it's a fair bit better. So. - Yeah, right. - So I wanted to ask you a little bit as well 'cause we've, I've just put it on my boat and the way we were using it up around, you know, the panicost and it's only time of really used to end around wind him. It was like, we didn't really know the creeks was sort of in and out and what we were doing is we would pull up to like a little inlet or whatever. We would scope it. It would seem like there was no fish and we sort of kept moving. In the past being around Derby, I've seen guys set up where they know fish are gonna come and they've just sat there and had the scope out and waited for the fish to come in before they cast. - Yeah. - And the technique, do you think is better or what do you do? Do you move a lot or do you set up somewhere where you know the bait and the fish are gonna come through and then sit there and wait for them to come before you cast? - Yeah, so I don't actually run the anchor at all. I'll sit still but I just cruise around. Usually there's usually a bit of a loop or a bit of a stretch that I do and I just kind of go back and forth and then switch over the other side. But it was, well actually my biggest barra call was that telegraph right at the pole actually. And it was kind of when I first started using the live or like I was just starting to get the knack of it and me and my mate was sitting there casting at some small fish on a rock bar and he kind of looked over at me and said, imagine if that thing was a fish and I've just casted my lure. It was a local made lure as well which made it quite special. Curt McCartney from up and I don't know. He makes the big bony's and all that. But yeah, I just casted and I just slowly went and passed this huge blob on the screen and yeah, surely enough, we're whacked it and it comes straight off out of the boat and I'll shoot myself pretty much. - Did you say it added on the screen? - Yeah, yeah. So it was just sitting there sat there the whole time I will cast out this smaller fish and yeah, I just slowly went past it thinking it was a big blob or a big rock and you had this rock start moving and we were whacked a lot. - We said the lure and he dropped for you at that moment. - Yeah, and then I got it. You know like we were casting over this fish For you know 10 minutes and it was just sitting there a whole time So it's it's crazy The now more so you move in the pole you could actually see what's in front here What's further you can out you can put the range out to 30 meters you can bring it into eight You know and you can really get your lure like on the top of their nose if you if you're good and how big was that fish? That was a one 21. Oh, that's yeah, that's a monster. That's a good one for West Kimberley Yeah, yeah, you hear of couple getting caught a year nothing like East Kimberley. That's a that's another day for the East Kimberley Yeah With when you're putting a cast in if you see a fish on scope Because we've I've heard the stories if unless you put your lure in the right spot Like are you aiming for their nose or where are you aiming for if I'm on the screen? There's there's degree increments where you can use media increments in the squares But I use the radius with the increments of the angle So if you're if you see a fish at 15 degrees your sonar's facing zero So you know if you cast 15 degrees from your hole. Yep, you can kind of get it close and then you can rod tip left Rod tip right and just kind of get that lure right into right into the mouth of the way the fish is heading but Yeah, it's it's yeah, it's amazing to you can speak them to a yeah Because I've had other trips like that and you can you can cast a lure 10 meters past these fish and they're gone Yeah, they're just picking up everything But what about you retrieval so you can see speed you've got different types of lures Obviously you've got paddle tarz you got big minors you got swim baits I there's lots of different stuff that you can use Do you find that you change up your retrieves and that sort of thing if you're if you can't if you know if you swim past them You don't spook them and they donate they don't show any interest are you changing lure you changing your tree? What's the yeah fish stubborn fish like that usually throw a few lures out of them But you're given you give them a fair chance. It's probably throw it You know 10 times and then you might think about changing but I'm a big big big fan of the fizzes the top water stuff That's my favorite style of fishing so If they're not moving for a fizz are usually they're not they're not keen right so that's pretty reliable lure Is it yeah? Well what with the areas we fish because we don't fish anything deeper than two meters, you know two and a half meters so Wow We do run the big head is that mainly at night? Yeah, I do majority my fishing at night. Yep easy to see the screens cooler. You're not getting sunburn You're not getting heatstroke. Yeah, the bigger fish I add cruising around stalking so that was just her she's theory was the big official coming the shallows at night Would you back that up? Yeah, 100% yeah, they're all they're this mark. That's why they're big. I backed out for malleys too Yep, and you know, it's just yeah, you're tied tied in the morning or whatever and but it it works it your body actually likes it better You're not sitting in the sun. Yep. Well, that's my theory. That's the way I like to do it But I'm pretty black and white. I'll run. I'll run a rod with a fizz And then I run a rod with a um the big plucky. Yep, and then just switch between them Yeah, the fizz is the one with the propeller on the back And it makes like a pop every time it turns on the water. Yeah. Is there a specific one of those that you like best? I use the raptor fizz. Yeah, yep there um I've pretty much caught all my big fish on the raptor fizzes. They're just They're cheap. They're easy. Um, I change the hooks out of my run like a longer treble And a swivel on the back so it kind of sits in the water angled yet feel like I get a few more Um Conversion rate on that. Oh, yeah, so your hooks a little bit below the surface of the water. Yeah, it sits out about 50 mil past the lure But then it like it tilts the back of the fizz are into the water. Yep And then you just run like a light tip rod and I guess some specials. What what trebles are you running? Um bkk vibe is I think they're the two two-os Yep. Yep. And then um Yeah, the fizzes are good because you can once you cast them on the screen because they hit the surface and make a bit of a nice splash You can see it straight away and then you can see it coming in And you can see the fish coming towards it. So it's it's a um The bite on a fizz would be way down as well. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You just get that surface strike Nothing bit. I've got a few baron poppers at night and it's the best feeling. Yeah man that video that you've got on your Instagram where you've got a banana on the end of a stick Yeah, you lower it in the water like I watched that yesterday actually like scared the shit out of me I think I was wearing I was sitting on my computer editing another episode and Had my headphones on and it was fucking loud and the noise at that baron made was Pretty fucking scary like yeah, imagine if you're not expecting a bite from one. Yeah, how to mate It actually pulled that baron the pawn one arbo. Yeah, and that was a 104 and that was probably about Seven years ago. So it hopefully it's still there now. Yeah. What about um The surface Lewis do you find moon phase or anything better than others? Yeah, I did start um fishing a lot to do with the moons, but in the end it's just um Yeah, I'll just you just get out when you can and you just make it work, but full moon People say no, you can't surface, but I've had some of my best fizzing sessions on a full moon And then complete darkness with a new moon is also good as well. So um, I'd imagine a lot of those Theories and stuff is now gone out of the window because the technology is so good that you can actually just find the fish anyway Yeah, so I'm also just finding the bite times. Yep. Yeah, so and it changes it The yeah the behavior of the fish crazy because yeah one day they'll you know, they'll swim 12 meters for a splash and to check it out You know what the noise is or I've had them swim up to the minco to check what the blade's doing like Someday you can't even get within 20 meters of them. They're just so spooky. Yeah, well that's a beauty alive in it It's not always like I'm I'm here to catch him Like I said you can yeah, you can save a lot of time because if you if you dunk your boat in and you see that You can be like I'm wasting my time here. Yeah. Well the learning curve too. Yeah, you know You learn and what they don't like what they do like what they respond to on certain times And if you can marry it all up and keep a bit of a catch journal Like I think your progression is gonna be pretty bloody quick That's what I'm I really want to get live on my tinny for the muller But I reckon that's the biggest thing is just learning. Yeah, it is good fun. Are you using it when the boats moving with the electric? Yes, I run the the um Minco remote on my neck usually and then either I'm standing at the pole um So I'll be using the electric to kind of face the pole where I want to go Um, there's nine times out 10 I'm fishing with someone so they're with me as well So it's just I find it easier to keep the pole on zero. Yep, and then move over the boat So he kind of knows where to cast as well because if I'm moving the pole uh 90 degrees right Zero's gonna be over here. So he's gonna be looking at the screen like oh where am I casting calm? So he knows so Like with some of those shallower sections of the reef or sorry the river that you're fishing you'll you'll just cruise up a riverbank until you see fish pretty much will kind of hang off a little bit because you can um You can pick up a fair distance of them So you can kind of see him coming off if they are getting to speak you can kind of see him coming off the shallows or We'll move in around see it then if you do spot a big one like a Said nice big materia something. He just kind of stalk him and following him You just keep doing laps and following him until he has a nib is that a true story I reckon I was talking to Maxie Samson about you one time and he said that you went in dumped your boat in a pool that you thought was going to get landlock overnight and scope the whole section And there was no fish in there and you didn't even put a cast in but you were stuck in there for a few hours Is that a true story? Oh probably yeah So it's like I may have happened more than once yeah That's something I'll do yeah. I'll do do some pretty rogue stuff but um No one times out of ten at work, so yeah Um funny story with Maxie. Yeah, we didn't even get to the fishing spot. That's how that's how close we got to the pool Yeah, I really yeah, he's done some funny things. He's dropped or he's um rare mounts from the pole He's just dropped them in the drink. So yeah, we can't even use the pole I heard he had some theories where he was throwing rocks at fish when they wouldn't bite Is that a via I wouldn't put him past him that way um We used to do that with um Sinkers or like you know the river rocks. Yeah, my old man used to do it He used to if there we if we weren't catching anything he'd throw these flat rocks up and Mimic like a bariburth. Yep, and sometimes it actually works. Things are mean. Yeah So he'd scare the mullet off the bank With the with the river rocks and then you know the mullets who man that gets smashed and then kind of fires them up a little bit But then he yeah, he started throwing the flat rocks out near where our baits were and And you'd be you'd laugh at the amount of times it's worth to bring the fish in Well, they just swim up and they just want to have a look or yeah, I'm positive. Yeah Nothing gets you more excited than when you chase and livers off the bank when you're up there and you throw the cast net And all the baits swim out into the deeper water and all you hear is Yeah, when there's just water I just they've been waiting out there for him to move And spook him and they just go nuts make it just so excited One last question on these these baron lures we were talking about How dirty the water is when we were up there and Talking about color basically do you put much like aside from surf slurs? It's a bit of a different kettle of fish But if you got a big plaque here a swim bait or even a bib minnow or whatever You put much tension into color for certain Um, water conditions. Yeah, definitely we don't really get enough clarity up there Um in in the fifth royal like it will go like a blue e greenie but um You'd have to fish during the during the day to get any like color, you know what I mean So no, no, I don't I don't really worry about the color too much But I have heard you know you want to run your natural colors your your browns and your whites and stuff like that Um With the clear water but with the dirty, you know you run bright but I honestly think it doesn't matter if you put a lure In front of a fish they're gonna and they want it they're gonna get it got a good action. Yeah - Yeah, vibration. I'm big on contrast to that theory kind of sits pretty well with me that it's not so much about color, it's about the contrast with on a full moon. - Yeah, definitely. - You can run a darker lure because it's gonna run a silhouette, especially if you're top water as well. Like I'll run typically darker top water loads. Like I don't like a white popper. - Yeah. - A silver bottom popper. Like a red bottom or a black bottom on a popper because you think about the way that the fish is looking up. Sun's behind it. - You might find the how you think a great white shark might see if it's gonna get from the bottom. It's not gonna see what color is in it. It's just gonna see a big black silhouette. - Yeah, it's the same. - But in the main. - And you know, I can put my hand in the water 50 mil and I won't even be able to see it. That's how dirty some of the water is up there. So, you never know what fish say really do. - I'm gonna ask you, 'cause I know you've fished a bit around where Bertgy fishes up around Kanna Nara, East Kimberley or West Kimberley. You had one day to fish where you got. - East Kimberley. - Yeah. - Just for the plus size fish. - Bigger fish, how you what's the biggest fish you've pulled out of the Pena Coast? - I got a 120 with the Mrs and Dog last year. That was pretty cool. (laughing) And you see, you ever see the Barricain sitting on the banks up there or what? - Yeah, I got a bit of a funny story with Bertgy. Well, I thought it was Bertgy anyway, but we were fishing the Apex comp last year and I was the same thing. I was kind of messaging Bertgy, asking if we could, launch at home value or stay there as well and he's like, yeah, yeah, we'll be there as well. So we'll probably see. Anyway, we had a few rumboes. We're pretty excited to be there and I think it was about, we would've been about one o'clock at night. Well, I'll go see Bertgy. We'll pull up see how he's gone. We've seen an 80 series on the bank. Well, like it's definitely Bertgy. - It's got a Bertgy. - It's got a Bertgy. - 100%. - Anyway, we pulled up on the bank and I'm starting, trying to get up out of the boat. I'm yelling at Bertgy and he's there. They're all kind of looking at me. I'm like, how are you going? You're caught in your fish and one lady, one lady yelled at back and we're gone. We're not Bertgy. - Fuck off, yeah. - We're not fuck. Tangled all their lines and our props and fucking all sorts of stuff. It was a show. We didn't show face the next day, but yeah. No, I do fish that same stretches, Bertgy, a fair bit and yeah, he's good. He's real helpful. We usually sing out to him and ask him, yeah, it's been fishable for a drive up, but yeah, I love East Kimbley. Is there a certain time of year where you'll try and hit the East Kimbley or? - Yeah, I don't know a whole heap about the East Kimbley, but I think it's the same thing. That first kind of flush, that black water coming down isn't the best time to fish. I've done that twice now. - We show you that three months ago. - Cheers Bertgy for giving us those days. - Yeah. - But yeah, it's, they're even. - So what's the best time of year for a fair, so we got lots of people down here in Perth or from over East or whatever, but that wanna go and fish the Kimbley, they wanna get a barra. What is the best time of year they should go for? In your experience? - Yeah, build up is good, but October and November, but my favorite time of the year is usually after the wet, so like April May, and it does become quite popular, it's just 'cause the cooler weather is coming in, you can go camping. I don't know if you use, if you use, if camp down on the river in the wet season, but it's torture. The bugs, the heat, you're just pretty much sitting in your swag in an oven, so. - And when you put the head torch on, it's just like bugs bouncing off your forehead. It's the worst. - Yeah. - Bertgy would be pretty, pretty good boat to know with the air con cabin. - Exactly, yeah, we like to say we're rough and when we go fishing with him, but we're pretty, we're pretty fast. - We're in a very fast state. - The first time I went up in that same time of year, what you're talking about was with me, Kimbley in April, and we fished. Everything was still wet, but we just got heat suffish. Like you said, it's uncomfortable. Bertgy's theory is no bugs, no bots. You gotta put in that first bit of time in after the sun goes down, the bugs coming out, but they tend to go away after a few days. - Yeah, they do. The mousies can be quite bad too, which is not ideal. - Yep, but, so if you are looking to go up and doing the Gibri Verode or whatever, and my advice would be to get there early before it opens, and spend a bit of time around those creeks, like the Fitzroy and stuff like that, I'm just gonna plug up your spots here at the best time of year, but that's when you wanna be going up there chasing the bar. If you wanna give yourself a good chance and then go and hold it af from then on out. - That's the runoff, too, isn't it? That's when they're all stationed up in front of drainage points. - Yeah, we don't really get a runoff at the Fitzroy. - Okay. - We do call it the runoff period, but there's no flood water coming into the river, it's all in the same river coming down from the Fitzroy catchment, so. But yeah, the water's still hot, the bait's still around, it's a bit shabby, so yeah. - Have you done much around Campbell, and do you do much fresh water stuff? - I've dribs and drabs. Same thing when I was a kid, I used to go out there and go cherry-burning and stuff, but not as any big fish there, right? - No, no. You wanna be in the salt for the bigger ones in the West Kimberley, I think. That's just the way up, that's my theory anyway. I have heard of monsters coming out of the fresh, but it's fuel-far between. What about Derby as opposed to Broome? 'Cause I know we're talking a lot about the Fitzroy, which is closer to Derby, and it's a pretty famous system. Are there any, without giving away any creeks, I know, is there Danpia Creek and stuff in Broome? Are there many big fish caught around there? - Yeah, there's a few big fish caught every year. Usually around Christmas time, there's a couple of meedries that come out of Danpia, but fuel-far between. - Yep. - So I usually jump in the card, I don't even worry. I don't really fish in Broome, I live in Broome, but jumping the car and drive to Derby, drive to the Fitzroy. And you mentioned the tides earlier, and that system is such a good system because it's constantly replenish with bait, with big fish and stuff like that. That's how they're coming in and out. - Yeah, that's it. So somewhere like cuttings is, they'll get a tide on a nine and a half meter or pushing to there, which is, that's pretty much most tides. Our neeps aren't very neat there. - Yep. - It might get like a small six meter tide, but seven meter tide, but it won't push into there. It'll just pull up until the next day until it pushes in. So it'll pull up for one or two, three days a month, maybe. - Yep. Wow. So the tides are the other thing before we move on, with the barra there. So for someone fishing off the bank, my experience in the past is you sort of want to be fishing the dead part of the tide. Like it was like low tide to the start of incoming or around sort of high tide, because obviously if you throw on lines off the bank and you've got those massive tides coming through, you're able to keep your lines and your baits out, is that affected much with scope? Can you fish through those conditions or do you catch more fish when the water's moving? What works better for you? - Yeah, it does. It depends on the high. Like if you've got a 11 meter tide, it is racing in. It's pretty much a small little wave that comes in. - Yep. - There is fish in the wave, but the water's so murked up as well. It's so dirty. So the scope doesn't actually pick up very good at all in the silt. So when the tide comes in, you can practically kind of use the scope. - Okay. - So we kind of just, you know, we're going to make some lunch or go make some dinner or sit around. Sometimes you have a lay down, have a few hours to keep while the tide's coming in and then once it starts to set, we'll jump up and we'll get fishing again. - Yeah, I've always wondered why people don't use it in the salt water more. Like I reckon it would work for an insure snap of fishery or something like that. - So how deep people don't really use it? - Is it because of the depth? - I don't know. Well, I'm just thinking now it could be because of the sediment that's in the water. - Yeah, it could be a lot of that. It, I think it does up to 34 in depth. - In depth. - That's what I do. - But I do believe they do a bigger one. But I'm not too sure the model on that. But. - So Swan River Malloway, what are you reckon? Would it be worth? - Yeah, like the same thing. Maxie, Maxie Samson or a few of the broom boys that come down and they've actually had a shot of it and they could definitely see it. They could see the fish. They couldn't get the conversion or the bite. They just said they would follow the lure but they wouldn't commit. But yeah, they definitely picked up. - That's where the learning comes in though. You know they're not eating lure and then the question becomes why? - Yeah. - What do we need to do to figure it out? - And they're all pretty good fish shows like. - They wouldn't try it. - If anyone can get an A. - I'll have a bad out of it. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But I've got a funny story about a live bait actually. I was gonna tell you this the other day but I went fishing in Swan River the other day with-- - Yeah, you don't. - Him far now. - My invite got lost in the map. - Wow mate, sometimes, you know, it's not that hard to catch him all the way in the river. We have a five of them so. But yeah, I went out with Tim and I've, so I'm still scratching my head. Both of us are. We've both done a lot of fishing. Tell me if you've had anything like this happen, right? We were growing out baits and we were trying to get live Taylor and we'd lost a couple but we couldn't get a Taylor and we had a snelled rig with a scaly on it. - You brought that one? - Yeah. - It's a slide right here. - We had a, he's calling bullshit. (laughing) - Yeah, bullshit. We had a snelled rig with a scaly on it, cast it out and then we had a run on it and I've picked the rod up and it was a mull away run so it's gone under the boat and like, I've gone to tight on this fish and pulled the bait out of its mouth and wound it up and as I've wound it up, it was, I was like, oh, we've got a Taylor on. It's a Taylor. And kept winding it up, put it out of the water and Tim, me and Tim just looked at each other and we were like, what the fuck? It was, so the snelled rig was pinned perfectly, one behind the back of the head, one in the tail, on a Taylor that we had a scale yard on. So it's like someone's. Oh, dive down there and change it. We were like, "Fuckin' Scooby, do I have a bubble, man?" We were like, "Somebody's here with me." And I was like, "Did you put a fucking Taylor on there?" Like, you've put that Taylor on there and just forgotten about it. And he's like, "Mate, we haven't been able to get a Taylor." And then we look at the Taylor and there's mull away pin bricks all the way up either side of it. So a mull away has run with a Taylor, but somehow this Taylor's hooked perfectly as if someone's put it on a little bit. With circle hooks? Yeah, with circle hooks. The vex. There's not a good J-Way, you can just J-Way. I do not know what happened, but then we were like, "Well, it can't be a Scooby-Dove" because they would have had to know that we don't have Taylor and we were trying to. So whether this mull away has had a dead Taylor in its mouth and taken it for a run or its foul hooked itself perfectly, we basically just threw the bait back out. Oh, why? I mean, it was fucking unbelievable. I've never seen. It's not a great story because it's one of those you had to be there sort of moments, but it was like, "How the fuck did that just happen?" Yeah, one of the guys from. He works tackle wet. Austin, I've fished with him quite a bit. He uses these oceans legacy access. I use them too, actually. He's oceans legacy access. He casts the lure out once and was fighting a fish, Taylor, same thing. And he came back with his lure, clipped on back to front. So the thing had. Yeah, it was all tangled up. So I reckon what's happened is he cast it. Well, the Taylor's jumped and flipped it or whatever. It's hooked around the line and then the line's ended up going through the hook and then pulling through the hook, unclipping, same thing. Right. It's. Fuck her. It was like. And Mosemans is one of those spots where it's a bit eerie and all the rest of it and it's a little luck. The fuck just happened. Yeah. Oh, there are heaps of divers there. Wow, we're with Locker set. I don't think it was. Well, if anyone's listening and you saw Mark Timfire and Elle fishing on the fish trap and the river and you're fucked with them, let them know, because they'll only give you a pat on the back. That's pretty good. Yeah, man. It's crazy. How'd you go anyway? It gives a recap of that. We had a good. We fishing with the new Vax LiveBate clips. We couldn't get live bait. So we ended up just fishing with dead baits. And like I said, we had a good run. We ended up getting that Taylor and then later on we removed the fillets and went and actually moved spots, had another go there and we had a wicked session. It was perfect conditions for it. Tim obviously knows what he's doing, but yeah, we ended up landing I think five mile away and nothing really big. Yeah. But. It was the biggest. We didn't measure it all the way. We actually ended up keeping the biggest one because it didn't go back. Yep. And have you ever eaten myeloway? No, I'm not. Yeah. So they're not a desirable fish in my mind. So I've actually got the fillets hanging. I'm trying something different. So I've got the fillets hanging in the cool room and I'd leave them there for a couple of days and then I'm going to soak them in milk. And see if it gets rid of the fishy flavor which it's meant to do. So. We went say in that, we went over the seedle event and Harry Foster. By the way, go and follow Harry on Instagram, has Fos is his Instagram. He was cooking for us at that event and cut the spuros that were there filled in myeloway, shot him myeloway and he cooked up in a fish curry and that was the best fish curry I've ever had. Yeah. Saltwater. That was right out in the saltwater as well. So this is sort of brackish where we were catching them. Do you eat the barra? Because I find it's the same sort of thing with the barra. Saltwater, mate, I reckon they're up there with anything if you treat them right. Yeah, I do like my barra but no, I don't usually keep any fish. I usually just, yeah, just like the chasing. Catching them. Well, you're not allowed to keep, if you're just chasing big ones as well, you're not allowed to keep them higher. No, you're not. So the limits, AD and WA, but yeah, I'll keep one once a month or if one of the other boys wants to keep them, keep a couple and they'll give me a fill up. But generally, I don't, don't keep them. Yeah. I think if you've got to hang your fish and soak them in milk. Yeah. Well, mate, it's a very good time. Yeah. Yeah. There's no better options. Yeah. We can't catch snappy. We're not out of our table fish. Our barra are pretty sustainable fish out there as well as you might think. Yeah, that's right. So they are a good option. But I mean, the thing for me is like if it's not releasing, I'm not just going to leave it like not going to be that kind of guy. Not giving it a go. I talked about it with Tommy too. You got to become a better, better cook. Like I said, has was able to cook up that mull away in a way that was unreal. I reckon it carries a good way of hiding a bit of flavour as well. So if you're into it, that might be what I'm not doing. So you're fish with Tim. We've been both been trying to get out with Tim and I you fish with him off the beach before, but I've been trying to get out with Tim for a while. We're just, our schedule's haven't lined up to go from Mali Fish in the river. What did you learn? He's, I'd learn a couple of things. I don't want to give away all these tips for guys that are going out there. He's onto the tides and timing pretty well. He knows the river really well. He's obviously put a lot of time in. But I didn't learn heats. He reaffirmed a lot of stuff that I sort of already know. He fish is very simple. The one thing in the river is you've got to be worried about. If you're not fishing livis, you've sort of got to be worried about the crabs and all that sort of stuff. So I would say there's ways that he fishes that get around that. But yeah, get there early, try and get your livis if that's the way you want to fish. Were you burling up? I know he likes it. Yeah, he definitely burled up. Not a lot. Not as much as say I probably would burly, but every now and then he would have these little burly-bombed things that would drop him down on the floor. The burlies under the boat. But yeah, no, it was, I was surprised by how confident he was that we would get a good run as well. For me, it's much the same as barra fishing. So I would love to take you out on the river and see how you breed it and how you operate it, because that live baiting technique and all that sort of stuff, it's much the same. Just a different way of gathering your livis when you're on the swine. You've got to go and catch your baits. Basically I think Taylor, his favorite option. But yeah, just learned to read the tides. We had a good moon rise as well, which was the other thing he sort of wanted to be fishing as the moon was rising. So is that something that you look at when you're up north? Not a whole heap. It's usually dawn and dusk. So I generally fish into the night, but a lot of the bites are dawn and dusk, though. Yeah. We just kind of run with that and that seems to work for us. So we just keep running with that, but yet getting into that whole Almanac thing, I did try to get into that affair bit, but it was too unpredictable. It was too all over the join up in the Fitzroy. There's so many, so many different things that can happen. Yep. You know, rain or hot tide. It'll fuck you. Bate, you know, so many. And if you've only got a short window of time as well, you've got to make the most of what you got. That's right. So when you're Instagram that you'd chase the odd blue bone as well or task you up that way, yeah, I must have been broken or something. It's not something you do very often. No, no, my mate Benny Lai, he likes doing that kind of stuff. So I usually jump in the boat with him every now and then and some of the boys had got into the spearing and bromes. It's just like how to go out of that, but that's not for me. That I was hanging on to the gun. I was the whole time pretty much. Yeah. It was fucking scary. Sharks and shit. Sharks up there, right? Yeah. Sharks. But yeah, just the blue bone. The fishing is okay in brume. There is good fish there, but it's just yeah, the sharks are so bad. So it's like you take 10 rigs, you'll come home with nine. I agree with you, mate. You know, I would sell the blue water boat if I lived in brume after that. I went out with Nathan and we would have done 200 Ks and came home with half a ranking code and a banished flag. I was like, this is fucking hell. All sharks. Just sharks, man. It was a shark. I'm saying that we've had some wicked sessions on Mackeys and stuff like that. So I reckon I'd be into the sport fishing and stuff if I was up there. Hey, what about dirt? We've been saving the dirt. You got to give me the recap. Well, I was wicked, man. It was just, yeah, I went to do a cartoge island for a couple of weeks over Chrissy with the family and sort of helped caretake the island. It was, yeah, just a cool trip. If you've never been there, I reckon put it on your bucket list. It's 80 kilometers long. Kids were getting whiting and flathead and all on lures, which was epic. And yeah, we spent a couple of days out on the boat. So Nathan Robyn, his family are up there as well and had his boat. But it was just windy at that time of year. But we did unlock a few spots. I feel like Shark Bay is a sort of place where you go where every time I'll do a trip up there will unlock something and learn about it. So yeah, there was some, so I don't want the same thing. I won't give away the spots, but put a couple of snapper in shore, caught some golden travelli up there in shore, which I hadn't done before and lost the biggest giant herring I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, you're saying that? How big do you reckon it was? It would have had to bend around the meter. Yeah, so it went bananas, man. It was like hook this thing and would have peeled 70 meters of line in about two seconds and jumped out of the water twice. And because it was so windy and we're fishing in shore, I had a 40 gram metal lure on and I thought, I'm no chance, this thing's gonna shake the lure anyway. And I had the drag back right off as well and it still bent the hook a little bit. - Yeah, wow. - So it just goes to show how much power, like whether it was the tension of the line cutting through the water and how quick it went. - Yeah. - Even with light drag man, it was just the bloom your way. - Well, set up a year. - What did I have? I just had, it's the little, I think it was the 4000 real with just the, - Like your undergunned. - No, I was plenty. Like I said, I'll back the drag right off 'cause I knew they were in there. - Yeah. - Did you change your hooks on your lure's out of the packet or did you just kind of run them? How they come? - I used to change all my barra hooks. I forget the name of the, there you go. That one's had their, - Oh, their owners. - They're like a horse. - A eagle claw or something? - Yeah, where they're like a bit more of an open - Yeah, I ran them for a little bit, but I feel like the hook up rate was shocking. - Yeah, all right. So that, I'd say my first ever meter barra was on that to the little Yosuri lure. That was a one, that was a meter fish trawling in the Fitzroy. - Brilliant. - They kind of curved back on himself a little bit too. - Like you say, I think the hook up rate wouldn't be as good, but once you hook up, they stay on. But now I don't, I don't really change too many hooks out at the moment. I'm just, I'm pretty, pretty religious for the day. - Yeah, I changed my hooks. - Shafenie hooks and all that. - Yeah, I got a file that I carry around as well. - All right. - That's Ken. - Just with Taylor Lewis, man, a lot of my favorite Taylor Lewis, they're made for Japanese, like smaller seabass and stuff. - Yeah. - But they're pretty light gauge to make, you know, make sure you actually hook the fish. But some of the Taylor and the ground that I'm pulling them out of out here and even your kingfish and whatnot, they're in a similar way as well. You've got to put the brakes on a lot of these fish. So I think having a bit of a thicker hook and something like a BKK Viper is, I mean, I used to change them to the smaller rap to Zed trebles. But they're thick. You really got to like sink the hooks into the fish. But actually hook them off, down those drop and a lot of fish. Also, they affect the action a little quite a bit because they're a thicker gauge hook. - Yeah, yeah. - I reckon those are great hook. But some lose these days. I feel like lower manufacturers are kind of catching on to the fact that they're not just one or half to pull. - A lot of the lures do come out with the BKKs now. So a lot stronger in the packet. So you don't actually have to change the hook out. - Well, it's a pretty decent expense when you think about it. If you're gone through, you know, I don't know about you, but I'm usually losing a lure every couple of sessions. Then you add hooks onto that. And extra five bucks of lure, really. - Yeah. It's the other good thing about the live is you can actually see the snags and see where you're casting. - Oh, yeah. - You're not getting snagged and, yeah. So you can see this emerge ones and also it's pretty cool. - You ever use vibes? - I did run vibes for a little bit, but. - Yeah. - But back in snagged, there was a big craze with everyone using them up around a broom and then I started casting them and I f***ed snagged every time I used them. - Oh, man. I had a lot of vibe. I bought loads of heaps of them. - The worst thing for me with the vibes is the heat up there. So I bought like a big nice big vibe box. I filled it full of $300 worth of vibes. And you leave it in your boat for a minute or two long and you open the lid and just, yeah, it's just slopped. - Yeah. Yeah. - It's just such a big tub of jelly. - Yeah, pretty much. - Before we get into the listener questions which we got heaps of, what have you been up to, Rothy? Because you've been doing a little bit as well. You went out with goat man yesterday? - Yeah, I've been doing a little bit of fish. Truth be told, I've never done a little amount of fishing as I've done over the last six months. Like it's actually embarrassing for a guy that's the co-founder of the fishing podcast. I'm putting in the work line that seems to make this for all you guys. So you guys can hear about fishing. But yeah, I've been doing a little bit, man. So this time of year, Christmas, I just decided to put my feet up a little bit and cruise. I didn't do too much. But local tailor, just making local tailor just along the beaches. There's heaps of mullet getting around heaps of bait. It's been through on small loaves. I'm sort of you to almost brim gear, taking a lot of people that haven't been fishing. My mates that don't, don't fish all the time, been taking them fish a lot. But yes, stay head out with goat man, which was sick. The guy was just to goat man's boats off the water. So we took my tinny and the guy was just to track down some kings. Didn't find any kings, but man, there is so many tuner out there at the moment. Like we found a lot of, I don't know if they were a macho or a bonito. I took a photo of them and he'd have a look on the wreck fish up to figure out what they were, but fuck, mate. From pretty much hillers, marine, all the way to Scarborough along the three mile. There was Benito or Macho and whatever. They were everywhere. And we were throwing little microg because I don't know, sick fun. Then amongst the tuner was shark mackies. We saw heaps of shark mackies, but just couldn't get them to eat the bait that they were feeding on man. It was probably like maybe 15 mil, like really tiny. It wasn't white bait. I don't know what bait it was, but very, very, very small. That's why they're eating the microg. Well, I reckon we're on for a whole age-exseason from hell, man. I reckon it's going to be unreal because even today I was getting messages from my brother who's the cray fisherman out of Sivanese. He said, mate, there's dolphin fish everywhere on the floats. Yeah. The bad guys starting to get Marlin, I reckon the mackies are going to go off. There's going to be Wahoo. There's going to be all sorts of. So yesterday Kurt Kruzpin, who's got another podcast spoken about him before. Apparently, that importance. He's a biologist. He does a lot of testing and stuff in the river, but he went out spearing yesterday and got cut the mackies behind the three mile goat man. Spoked to one of his mates. He got four mackies himself. Maxie Samson and a good mate of mine, Sam Smith and Cooper. They went out of the trench. They got two yellow fin tuna out of Marlin. Dylan Picken last week got a Marlin and Wahoo off Mandra. I actually saw, I think it was Wagg for posted a graph of the Marlin captures over the years. It was over like a 20 or 30 year period. And you look at all the past years and they fluctuate a little bit. But in comparison to this year and last year. And then I think there was a year back in the maybe the 90s where there was like dozens and dozens and dozens of Marlin core. There's three massive years where the captures have right up there with both stripes, blacks, blues. I think that's the main three they get here. And the last two years of a tenfold what other years have been. That are reckon is more boats, but also we got the conditions as well. So it's us because we got the blue Marlin, so from blue Marlin classic coming up which is record number of boats. I'm starting to get excited. How does that work? I'm thinking of some travel calm into you because you're saying you get sick and you can come out and chase the big ones. How is the info night? Yeah, the info night was wicked. It's a wicked turn out. Like I said, if you haven't signed up for it. I think this will come out with a little bit of time. Lots of trailer boats, 120 gram worth of prizes. So from blue Marlin classic get down there, you got the chance to fish against lots of us, cut the wood ducks, but like Tommy Miller, Whitey, you know, all the gurus you're going to be there. And then, so yeah, so come down and last year they had 42 boats or something and this year they've got what 50 signed up already on the way to see. So it's going to be epic mate. It's going to be wicked. Yeah, I can't wait. Hopefully we get one. You checked out the boat, eh? That we're going to be fishin' on. We're fishin' on the sailing club. We got an old cray boat that we've got decked out for this comp. So it's, I think it's an old West Coaster. So we're going to be set plenty of deck space mate to pull up my 1000 pound blue that I'm going to get when the comp. So we'll see. It should be a fun weekend. I can't wait. Yeah. All right. Should we get into listening questions? Yeah. Real quick. I just want to give a shout out to the guys at Dawa because speaking of listening questions, they had their film premiere of the one. Yeah. The new film on the sertake. That was a sick turn out. So props to all you Perth crew that turned up. But the guys that were that put that on Brett, how about now he made that film editor at Colourter. He's the marketing guy from Dawa like props to Brett because that film was incredible. Yeah. We're out on YouTube now. You guys should go and check it out. Basically follows the journey of the new sertake and a couple of angles. I think there's a fellow that fished up for, um, King Fish over in Japan's Briggsian. He's an amazing film, but heaps of crew coming up and saying they'd listen to the podcast and stuff like that too. So we could have made a few crew out in the wild. Get on YouTube and give it a, give it a shout. Yeah. If you haven't watched it. Speaking of Dawa, let's get into these listener questions. You hit it off first. Yeah. So here we go. Yeah. Is it for you, John O. by the way? Listen to questions. So I reckon this is as good a response to listener questions as we've had. So the you or the good Dawa prize pack that we give away. Yes. Everyone. This one is a line and leader pack from Dawa. So the best question, John O. you're going to help us pick a question and we're going to send out a line and lead a pack to the person that asked the question. So we might ask a few more questions with this one because there's so many. And we'll pick the winner at the end. So this one is from Blake Aiden06. When scoping and have follows, but not, but you're not converting, what do you change? Well, they're showing interest to the Lewis. So you can run that lawy. You can slow it down. You stay consistent is the biggest thing. So you keep that once, made the same. And they're followed around and he'll eventually make the nib. So just if your assistance and consistency really. So that is a good tip. following they won't actually commit so that they're interested. Well, you find that you go back to the same spot another day and you'll have a completely different reaction. Yeah, 100%. They just keep drying. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. All right. What do we got here? Scotty, Scotty Tama, you can choose one lure in the creeks and one lure in the blue water hanging in the dry season. If you can, I'll put you this question. Scotty, that's a question. Yeah, I'll skip that one. All right. What's you go to, combo gear for Barra at Jackson, stay them. I run the Conquest 300, which is a bit of a bigger reel, but yeah, I usually run Iroganji Black Snake in a Conquest for the bigger Barra. I run, I think I run like 80 pound later and usually 40 pound, right? So, pretty simple. 80 pound later. Yeah, sometimes more depends. Is there a heartbreak story with smaller pound lead? Oh, I've been done by 60 a couple of times. Yeah, I've got done by 60. It was in the last year, actually, same thing. I thought I'd run a little bit lighter because you get a better retrieval with the lure. You can feel a little bit better and yeah, straight into the mangroves and snap me off would have been 110 plus. Yep. Yeah, 80 pound. All right. That's a good tip. All right. Maxie's outfishing. Should I properly check the battery charger before driving all the way to the Fitzgera? Yeah, that's another story of Maxie. Yeah, I'll throw him out of the bus. Yeah, drive two hours to the river and put the boat in and put the mincoder in and the lives go pole and we cruise down the river and he goes, oh, my battery's playing up. And I've kind of looked at him and I've looked at the screen and it's like sitting on 10.5 bolts, which is low. Yeah, which is real low. I was like, mate, that ain't your sound to play on up. That's your battery. Yeah. And then he hadn't charged the battery properly. So it's not charging off the alternator of your boat. No, everything's standalone in the 10 years usually. So it's running, he runs like a little portable setup as well. Maxie's the same. So I charged mine off to 40 volt power and truth be told, I actually went and put the lechie in yesterday with goat man and I've done the exact same thing. So not much better. Yeah, the same. That story gets worse too. We're coming back to the ramps, given up. And then he's taking his pole off and dropped his ramp out in the water, which is. Yeah, yeah. Maxie's been for a fuck up. I've got one earl out. You're a good one. So this is Aiden Dohmann. Watch your words of advice for reading a creek system. This is a really good question. So I think what Aiden's saying here is, if you're rocking up to a creek, what are a few things that you're looking for are likely spot you're going to catch a fish? Yeah, number one thing for me is bait. You've got to find the bait and then obviously your structure, but the creeks are a little bit different to the river. My understanding is creeks are more tidal for us. Yep. So usually working with the tide and work out with the tide or just find the bait and just pepper them. How you find a fish stashening up when the tide is flying? The angle you're sitting into the snag so your pole won't read behind a snag. Yep. You're going to come in from behind. Yep. They're usually sitting into the current as well. So find a way you put yourself in. Right. Are you casting down current and then retrieving with the current? So as if the bait fish is coming in with the flow of the current? I like to, I like to make everything as natural as possible. So you had retrieve with the flow. Yep. Got you. Got you more, Lee? Yeah. I feel like you might know Ben Leyer. Don't know. Tell us about big fish close to the boat. I hear you don't mind a bit of free school. Yeah. Oh, Benny Leyer. That's a stitch up. Yeah. A little bit. Yeah. I picked up a pretty bad habit. Usually fishing by myself with the mrs. She's on the net and I'm just trying to, you know, trying to get everything working and picked up this bad habit. That would free school the big fish at the boat. Just so you could grab the net or you could help her or whatever. But the one time I didn't free school snapped off a big fish and he fed me about it for a bit. Nothing like that. And you mate's, you get in fish at the moment, eh? You're, you're trying to get back up there? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel my mate's, you've got, you have the dollar, which is good. So, and they reckon it's firing. So, yeah. Tommy Watts, he moved down here for a year and he was saying, "You've scratching it and you should get back up north." And he finally moved back up and he's just been slaying on this year. Yeah. Wicked. The best tips to set up the Garmin livescope and best time and tide to chase big local barremundi. Radio, Kirkwood. Yeah. Well, it depends where you are mate, because yeah. For where you are. Yeah. Best tips on setting up a Garmin and best time and tide to chase big local barremundi. He said here, LVS34 with his Garmin's the best time tip to set up a Garmin LVS34. Yeah. What is that? Just the live transducer, really. I run everything pretty black and white. Like I said, I have the transducer at the front. I set it up before I get in the water and then kind of run it 300 mil below the surface, cruise round the electric and just use the electric to the van and you don't have to be on the pole flat out. If you're running a shallow river or creek, you can just move your boat around and just, yeah, just patrol, just search it and just the simple things like bait, sneak up to the bait, see what they're doing. Are they getting spooked? They hugging the bank. Pepp at that area because the fish will rock up. Yeah. So if you find an area with heaps of bait, you'll stay there and wait for the fish. Generally, yeah. You sit off the bait and you'll see the big fish come in. Yep. And yes, stalking. It's what they do. They can pick up the bait. They know what the bait is to them and they know where the bait are. They'll sit on them for a whole tide or wait for that tide to push them over a sandbar and they'll just come in. The mincotors are really important part of fishing, puzzle then, isn't it? Yeah, it is. It's a huge one for me. Yeah. Do you have a water temperature referred sort of temp for up that way? Yeah, in the 30s usually. Yeah. Our water gets super hot. I've actually been in the water when it's creeping up 40 degrees, which is real hot. Yep. See Roy. Does he measure his barra or guess the measurement? That's a mate, isn't it? Yeah, see I do a lot of fishermen Charlie. He's a legend. He's just stitching me up. He's the one that actually pulled up onto the bank with me and was yelling out Bertie when I actually wasn't Bertie, so. You asked the same question when we had Bertie, you know, right? Yeah, yeah. Bertie's the king at Bertie's. I don't know whether you've got the best mates, every other worst mates ever, because like the hardest part about picking a listener question here is sifting through the ones that a piss takes. Yeah, there'll be a lot of them. Bailey, do you prefer to fish the build up or the runoff around Derby? I think Bailey comes up there, but I do the runoff. The runoff is best time for me that April, May. Yep. That's a little bit cooler. You know, the rivers could still be flowing clear, so it's just a nicer time to fish. Wait, well, that's a heap of questions. Yep. Now we got a pick one. All right, I'll ask one more actually. I've got Dylan Hogan here. Three key tips on lure placement. I'm going to retrieve rates chasing the big bearer, big fan mate as well. So I think for the listeners that are just getting into it, if a big bearer sounds like Dylan hasn't got a big bearer before, so I'll do a lot of fish when Dylan is not. But I think it is a good question. So for someone getting into scoping and if they're just chasing big, big fish, which is what you're bloody good at catching, three tips on lure placement and retrieve. Right. And lure style. So just give us three tips. I like to cast over the fish and then bring it in slowly behind them or over the top of their head or in line with them. And like I said, you got to keep that consistency with the lure. You don't want to, I don't generally jig or pop the lure or anything like that. Feel like the trebles and the swivels, they'll make it, you know, like an unnatural sound. Yep. But just generally just consistent. Keep that lure at the same height as the fish and they will. Yep. We keep it natural. All right. You got a favorite one of their, Rothy or what? And that last one was actually a pretty good question. It was a good question. I like that first one. That's why I picked words of advice for reading a creek system. It was probably a little bit more of a simplified answer than what Aiden thought he was going to get. That was from Aiden, but I think it's a really good question. He's a winner. He's been reading, learning how to read a system or even a spot, whether it's out in the ocean or it's a river. That is a skill that people probably, you know, that are getting into fishing, probably undercook a little bit. Probably don't realize that that is a key skill to have. And if you can do that, you're kind of halfway there. What are you reckon? Yeah. I'm going with that. And I reckon we've got lots of little tips as well, after I like one where the bait is, all that sort of stuff that have sort of come out, which you could see. That's something that you're pretty good at. You spend a lot of time on the water and just naturally being an average reader system. You probably don't realise that you're doing it anymore, but that's just, I reckon that's a wicked tip, wicked question, so. Got a quick way. Actually, it's quite funny because Dylan put in that question because we were sitting on the Pentecosts and I don't know what I was doing. I had a prawn on. I was like, these things aren't working. I don't know what the rave is and the hype about. I'm going to put my rod down and he's picked it up. My combo, my lure, first cast, straight on this fish, slow wind, 107. Yeah, I've got the video. I was so strong and mega-prone. Yeah, it was an Irriganjie mega-prone, but that's why he's asking it because he thinks he knows the good stuff. Yeah, he's the good stuff. You couldn't make that shit up because it was first cast, you know. What size prawn was it? I think it was a six and a half. Yeah, okay, because we were actually throwing the dialer prawns up there. Yeah, no joy. The Queensland boys love them. Irriganjie mega-prones and like they obviously smash them. So yeah, I've had a little bit of luck, but nothing like what Dildjus did first. That's like bragging rights for you. Yeah, that's why. When I'm in the bigger rod up, you want me to show you how you do that? Should be the magic tart. Should be calling him and getting him on the line. I know what I have to do. Yeah, Irrigan, who was that? I'll ask that question. That was Aiden Doveman. So, mate, we are going to send you a little prize pack or reach out to you via DM. Thanks to dialer for the line and leader for you, mate. So you probably won't have to buy your line and leader for another year. Good stuff. Keep coming. So thanks to dialer for looking after the listeners there. We're here. All right. So before we move into the quick fire to wrap this thing up, mate, Woodduck story. Now, being from around Erby, having tides, all that sort of stuff, surely you have got a good fuck up still. How long have we got? Yeah, go for it, mate. This one's a cracker. It was more of a joint effort, but we head up 180 nautical miles up to the wallcoating lat, every now and then, which is. I would love to go out there. Oh, it's a cracking spot. Yeah. We've done it a few times. With my mate, Tommy Rutherford, he's a bit of a maniac. He's from Darwin. And we've set out. We usually go for four or five nights. It's a big treat. It's one day on the boat and then one day back. So it's a. Yeah, you're dodging and weaving through all the islands and stuff. We can't drive in there anymore, right? Oh, there's an exclusion zone at the front. Yeah. But down the back, the shiny and the end of the old manger truck, I think, Bertu Trudeau. Yeah, so it was around that area. But it was funny because yeah, we set out in this big trip. We were fully loaded with fuel and people and skis and yeah, peace. And we were fully loaded. And we got into the wallcott. As you, you know, you're flaring, you're happy, you're excited. You're pumped up full of peace. Flarens of it. And, um, yeah, we were fully loaded. So the boat's struggling. As it is. We're maneuvering our way down the back of the shiny. And, um, look at that. It's a rock, uh, somewhere here. And, uh, yeah, surely enough. Tommy Rutherford's hit it at about 30 knots. Oh, shit. We've come to a bit of a stop and he's trimmed up the motor. And I'm looking at the back. I'm not stint. He has like an old, um, like, I, uh, they're a big long banana boat. I've got a cool fiberglass thing. Oh, I know. The one one of my neighbours has got one. Are you, they're pretty popular in California in that area? Yeah, huge big cast deck on it. It was wicked boat. Where does fuck? But it was wicked. And, um, you have jumped down the back of the, back of the boat and he's trimming up and I've gone. No, nothing. And he's gone, oh, sick. Look, cool. Nothing. I'm like, nah, there's no leg. He snapped shit. It clean off from the, um, from the leg. And we're 180 Nordic miles from. Fuck off. So it gets worse. So we're with another boat, luckily. So, 180 Nordicomile by boat. Yep. Wow. Yeah, it's a long way. That's like either 300 cat. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. But you've got to fuel up on the way there near Coolland Island and then you're going to keep going. But it's a long trip. Anyway, it gets worse. Good luck. We'd anchor it up. We were kind of thinking what we should do. There was another boat with us. We got on the sat phone and we'll make Michy Castelhorn. He was a boat mechanic in town. He called one of his mates and he's like, can you get a leg for us and fly it up? So one of the islands, so they're mind-sights. And, um, anyway, they found a leg and they got wrapped up and flown to uh, Cockatow Island. So the boys had to go back to Cockatow, which is about half a year. It's about 90 mile back. They've picked the leg up, fueled up again. They've come back and we've beached the boat and um, we've got it all ready and, you know, we had all the tools and everyone was flaring again and then we got to put the shaft in and the shafts too long. So we've just spent, fucking, you know, a grande on freight to get this thing here. And so, yeah, we weren't flaring after that. We had to tow back to signet bay, which was that was that's a long way back. Yeah, that was a 24-hour tow. So that was a, that's a major. And trip over. Yeah, trip, oh, we stayed there. We stayed there an extra day, but I think. They called the person. Yeah. Um, actually, we've got a few mediris off the boat just, yeah, yeah, just stationary, no scope, no nothing. He was just flicking lures and it did that. It's a magic spot. But yeah, it was, you have the trip is over. Yeah, it's a royal fuck up. But 180, Nordic on wheels to fucking lose a leg. So if anyone that doesn't know what a leg is, if you're a lambace fisherman, but not been around boats, it's pretty much the whole bottom half of your outboard. She completely off-corn. This gone. It was just funny, because I was like, yeah, I got hurt, I, yeah. And he actually put a puncture through his boat, but this fiberglass thing was just such a tank. It floated the whole way home. Yep. But yeah, it was just funny. I was leaning over the back side. No, nothing, he was thinking. No, no, no, no. That's what I was thinking. No, there's nothing there. Oh, fuck that's funny. That's a great one. I'll be one of the better ones. Yeah, that's a real one. Yeah, that's sort of shit that happens to these guys that live up in the Kimberley, though. You know what I'm saying? You fish for long enough and you put enough time in. You're going to have a fuck up. That only his first leg either. Let me tell you the truth. He's done. He's done a few, yeah. Yeah. No, he had a couple of mates that let him go injured pretty badly on the road. Yeah, he heard about that. He's a bossier champ. When flying into the water after hitting something. Yeah, that's something. That's one thing you probably have to worry about as well is if you're in those creeks, you go, if you go into a creek at a high tide on the way out, if you're coming out on a lower tide, you go worried about those bombings, though. Yeah, 100%. All right. Lure of fame. So we've got a bit of a wall of fame. We've got to get you to send a lure down. So you've got a hat there that you're going to donate, which is that might get donated to my head because that's a wicked looking hat. So we'll get you to send a lure down. We're going to put in the wall, but we'll finish this thing with quick fire mate. So first thing that popped into your head, fire away. So top three eating fish. Barra, Freddie and Bluebone. Oh, nice. Nice. Yeah, Diawai, or Shimano? A bit of a diawai fan now. Yeah. That's a man. For a barra fisherman, I feel like that's a win for Diawai. Yeah, as well. Yeah. I've had a tool in there like that. Yeah, I've had a scent away. And that's a left hander. That's the new rye I go. Yeah, that's nice. That's wicked, eh? Does it have the little clicker on there? Yep. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. I like that. Oh, I feel nice with that rye I go. Yep. That's what we're putting on our rods or reckon next time we go fishing. Rothy are one lure for the rest of your life. Raptor Fizzah. Yep. Yep. Like, yeah, that's wicked for barra fishing. I'm going to try that. Different ride too. Yeah, I like that. Best boat snack. I'm shapes, man. Aren't shapes? What flavor? Yeah, this is the thing. Chicken crimpy. Oh, you have me until chicken. Chicken say barbecue. We're big advocates for barbecue. Barbecue. Chicken crimpy. We should hit up Arnits to sponsor this point. That's a kid's snack. But, you know, you can, you can check him in the live bait tank. You can, you can do anything with him. You know, you can pull him out three months later. They're all good. Yeah, they're all preservatives. Yeah. Bucket list, fishing destination. Um, I would like to catch a Null perch. Oh, I know. Giant barra. Pretty much. Just a giant barra. Yeah, but, um, I've always had interest in them since a kid. I guess I was kidding. There's a, there's another fishing podcast based out of America with Andy and Nicki Mill called the Millhouse podcast. And I can't remember who it was, but they interviewed a guy that bished the Nile. This guy had fished everywhere. And he basically went over the Nile to try and catch Nile perch and at the time, Bucket, I think it was like the 70s or 80s. No one was guiding there. So he couldn't go on just higher a guide. I'd take you. And pretty much paid a guide to take him out on his boat. And the guy couldn't get him in Nile. Purchase basically just settled. That's right. And yeah, he talks about that fishery. Basically what I'm alluding to is it's like a mentor. If you get a three bloke's to hold up a, you know, a barra looking fish, that's like, that's huge. Huge. Fuff and you get any they get picked up as well. Yeah. That's boy catches. Yeah, they go for the black bass. All right. If you could have a beer with any fish, I'd dead her alive. Who would it be? Um. Just really my mates actually to be honest here. Yep. You know my mates there that they make it for me. So, um, old Rexie, he can't be right to though. Yeah, yeah. That would be pretty cool. Yeah, I have had a couple of conversations with Rexie. I like that answer. Just go and have a beer with your mates. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds like you got good mates with the stitch ups and questions on. Oh my, you'd have to go find some of the glove box top things like that. Any advice for a young fisherman getting into it? What is it? Um, just have fun with it really. Don't don't worry about catching fish. Just yeah, just get out there and learn. Have fun. Have fun. That's what it's really about. Yeah. Of the dates. Yeah, it's exhilarating. It's fun. You do want to catch fish but it's not always about catching fish. No, it's about getting out and getting off that. I've had you know what I mean? Yeah, 100%. Mate, that kind of an o-trip that we just did was perfect summary of that. We went up there to catch fish and sucked that you know, it took a while for us to catch fish. But all the shit that happened in the team was just you've never been out that way before. Yeah. No. Oh, so just what I mean. Yeah. Mate, well, my mind was playing the whole time. So that'd been in Jurassic Park. Yeah, you don't even feel like you're in Australia when you're in them places. It's just like like it's just so full on, there's so much going on. Everyone's friendly and yeah. - I like that answer as well from someone that catches shit loads of meeteries, which a kid could sit there and go off. It's easy for you to talk because you've catch 120's, you're getting lots of 110's, but it's like, you are somewhat underground. You're out there, you're challenging yourself and you're going out fishing and you're doing that for yourself, but you fish because you love it. - Yeah, that's it. I've been around my whole life, the rivers and stuff, it's just something I do and I love. - Yeah, I call. - We're going to have a call out there and it's an area that I love coming up and fishing. So next time I'm out, I'm going to sing a text message and hopefully we can get out on the water together. - Yeah, for sure. - For sure. - Thanks, heads, coming on dude. That was wicked bit of a spare of the moment thing. Short notice, probably weren't expecting to be sitting in front of a microphone today, but I appreciate my coming on. - No, I didn't come on. - But thanks for having me guys, it's been good. - You're doing it man, you did really well. So, cool, tall tiles. - Yo, down the next one. - Thanks mate. (upbeat music) ♪ Showing the dark side of the mind ♪ ♪ My mind ♪